He says that “these young people do not see themselves as being part of this [Western] society: they were not brought up to blend in in a positive way.” Whose fault is that? Imams all over Europe preach against assimilation and integration.
Then he adds: “There is also some discrimination and indirect persecution against Islam and Muslims that is defined here as ‘Islamophobia.'” And this is why Muslims join the Islamic State, you see — because they are victims of non-Muslim injustice. Here again we see the ever-recurring phenomenon: Islamic supremacists never, ever take responsibility for their own actions, but always blame others, particularly Infidels.
He also implies that these young Muslims who join the Islamic State don’t know much about Islam: “The young people who go with these groups do not have a prior strong bond with Islam and Muslims. They have never visited mosques and some do not even know how to pray.” Does he have evidence for this? The only evidence for it that I have seen is that two British jihadis bought Islam for Dummies before they left for the Islamic State — but they could have done that for any number of reasons. In any case, it is a pity that the interviewer didn’t ask him about the many clearly devout and knowledgeable Muslims who have gone to the Islamic State, but of course the mainstream media doesn’t challenge people like Tarfa Baghajati.
“Interview: Imam Discusses Islamic State’s Recruitment Of European Muslims,” Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, September 8, 2014:
Syrian-born Imam Tarfa Baghajati, who is active on such issues as immigration, racism, and human rights as chairman of the Austrian Muslims Initiative, spoke with RFE/RL’s Radio Free Iraq about Islamic State’s efforts to recruit youths in Europe following reports that hundreds of Europe-based Muslims have joined their ranks.
RFE/RL: What factors could lead European Muslims to join up with Islamic State militants?
Tarfa Baghajati: There are a number of factors: first and most noticeable is that the young people who go with these groups do not have a prior strong bond with Islam and Muslims. They have never visited mosques and some do not even know how to pray. That is why they are quickly taken down an emotional direction, then in a religious direction. They are told that “We hold the absolute reality and we will show you the path of truth, of martyrdom, and the way to paradise.
The second factor is that these young people do not see themselves as being part of this [Western] society: they were not brought up to blend in in a positive way. There is also some discrimination and indirect persecution against Islam and Muslims that is defined here as “Islamophobia.”
RFE/RL: And this sense of estrangement is exploited by extremist organizations?
Baghajati: Here we must desist from laying the blame on the West, and we must ask ourselves about how this thinking has infiltrated our societies. It is a thought process that has nested in our minds for decades, particularly over the past 20 years. It has influenced the minds of our youths and led them toward rejecting their own societies more than the Western ones. It distances them from the traditional Islam of Iraq, Syria, and open societies, driving them on the path of bigotry that has only one interpretation of any [Koranic] verse. All the relevant verses are intended to bring about justice on earth, not to cut off hands or carry out beheadings or to strike others or to whip adulterers.
RFE/RL: Do mosques in Western countries share responsibility for the recruitment trend?
Baghajati: Moral responsibility, yes. We are all responsible. That is why we at the Austrian Islamic Commission and in many mosques in Austria try not to leave this matter to others. The subject must have its place in the Friday sermons. Most importantly, we need to speak the local language. One of the problems is that the Internet is the prime source for these young people, even on religion. Regrettably, it is the extremist trend that is populating the Internet via YouTube in every language. We admit our shortcomings.
Uri says
It’s all because of Obama!
Chabuco says
Don’t feed the fluffer:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Uri%22+site:jihadwatch.org&biw=1920&bih=1032&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=tP0NVP3tNIjNygPrz4LYBA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&dpr=1
thomas_h says
“It’s all because of Obama!”
That’s not going deep enough. It’s all because of the idiots who voted for that treasonous, narcissistic creep.
Ralph says
NO it s not… You join because all Muslims are Just Wild Donkey’s and have no ‘brains’ for your self… Following Satan…
Neil Jennison says
Is it unreasonable to discriminate against a belief system that wishes one to be subjugated and treated as a second class citizen? One which teaches violence against people who do not believe it?
Beagle says
This is a great example of the good cop-bad cop one way ratchet (knowingly or not by the parties involved) that Islam uses to grind down its host populations and nations.
Tarfa Baghajati is a tongue jihadi. It is risible to say that jihadis don’t go to mosque. So his presentation starts with an obvious deception to conveniently shield the Muslim community at large. Anyone with two neurons which rub together should know he’s lying from the beginning.
Tongue jihadis like Tarfa Baghajati aid the spread of Islam (the core purpose of jihad) by making it seem less medieval and satanically evil. He, probably successfully to many readers of the above propaganda, deflects any blame for Islam’s inherent violence from its core texts to other sources.
This sort of happy talk keeps the flow of possible converts (another key goal of jihad) through daw’ah flowing to Islam:
“All the relevant verses are intended to bring about justice on earth, not to cut off hands or carry out beheadings or to strike others or to whip adulterers.”
No point is quoting the verses here at Jihad Watch as everyone here knows them. Good luck finding any “justice on earth” in Sura Eight or Sura Nine, which abrogate the earlier suras. Not that the earlier suras contain much either. There are no open-ended calls to love non-Muslims the way the Christian or Jewish scriptures counsel love.
In order end “Islamophobia” what better way than to put Muslims in positions of leadership over non-Muslims? This is the third major goal of jihad: to ensure Muslims are the only leaders on earth.
This kind of smooth deception makes complete sense once a person understands the heart, pen, tongue, sword, zakat nature of Islamic jihad. Jihad’s purpose is to make Islam the only religion (what is or is not Islam is all anyone talks about), sharia the only law (justice), and Muslims the only rulers (end alienation and Islamophobia).
Jovial Joe says
When people resist your attempts to subjugate them and to enforce 7th century forms of morality and punishment on them you’re bound to feel discriminated against, I can see that.
gravenimage says
Yup—that sums it up…
General Pershing says
Same story as always with muslims.
Never their own fault. Always someone else to blame! Bloody crybabies are what they are.
JAMES says
They are almost as smart as dog droppings and that is giving dog droppings a bad name.
Tradewinds says
“And this is why Muslims join the Islamic State, you see — because they are victims of non-Muslim injustice. ”
Total BS. Oh boo-hoo Muslims the eternal victims! Without the West Muslims would have only sand and camels.
Myxlplik says
It’s the fault of people who have to hear how Muslims are planning to slaughter, and subjugate under Islam, who dislike the idea. Not liking your destruction, is bigotry, I get it. We should watch and listen to Muslims plan genocide here, as they complete the Islamic final solution in their native lands, but withhold opinion.
I see.
quotha raven says
You forgot something, Myxlplik. They want us to pay for it, too! And we in the USA have twice elected a president who has consistently supported, wherever we can install them, the Muslim Brotherhood and other “rebels”, with money, military support, arms and bleating vocal support. Tarfa Bashaghati probably covers this in another cunning little speech on Radio Free Europe broadcast.
Think of England says
In other words, they’re depraved because they’re deprived.
–Gee, Officer Krupke (West Side Story)
jayell says
Yes, mate, I think most of us who know ‘West Side Story’ got that one. How about a line which follows?….”And no one wants a fella with a social disease”…Perhaps it’s about time that Islam was on the list of ‘notifiable ailments’ (as we say in the UK), to judge from the pernicious effects of the injection of the ‘religion of Peace’ into the life of an otherwise-civilised society.
R Cole says
Western states really do need to draw the line – it is simply not possible for an ideology to face discrimination and ‘indirect’ persecution.
There is this effort to place Islam above humanity.
Under which, leaving it is a penalty, criticizing it or otherwise questioning it in a way that might discourage people from seeing it in a favorable light and joining it – should be seen as discriminatory [here in the west] and penalized the world over.
At least he is saying – we ‘must desist from laying the blame on the West [~kinda],’ but at the same time he holds on to these other archaic ideas – that directly contradict the foundations of western society – based on liberty.
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Talking in circles
When questioned these Islamic leaders talk in a round-about manner – because they are clear on the answers already.
Take the UK’s allowing literally thousands of girls to be raped, schools systems to be compromised, and there are examples that can be had all over Europe – where governments or local parts, have gone out of their way not to offend Muslim values, sentiment – and it has not worked. For all their efforts – we get ISIS.
There is a fundamental belief that all countries should come under Islamic rule – that across the board Muslims share. So when western states bring in one group to oppose radicalism – those bought in to assist often – seek to use the opportunity to impose Islamic rule/norms in another way.
The religion is crying out for reform.
duh_swami says
Why is everyone always picking on me? I only kill guilty people.
I thought poverty caused jihad.
mortimer says
And what, pray, is the ‘motive’ of jihadists with university degrees in Islamic studies? Ignorance of Islam? Or advanced KNOWLEDGE of foundational Islam, the hadiths and Sira and Islamic history?
What causes WELL-INFORMED Muslims to join the jihad and caliphate movement?
Is Caliph al Baghdadi (Ph.D.) ‘ignorant’ of Islam as well? Maybe those who fight in jihad believe they will be rewarded by Allah for murdering?
gravenimage says
Very important point, Mortimer.
The ludicrous idea that the most fervid Muslims are motivated by ignorance of Islam is simply absurd.
gravenimage says
Austria: Imam says Muslims join Islamic State because of “Islamophobia”
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RFE/RL: Do mosques in Western countries share responsibility for the recruitment trend?
Baghajati: Moral responsibility, yes.
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All this is is a twist on the “resistance to Jihad causes Jihad” crap we see so often from Muslim apologists.
There would be no “Islamophobia”—suspicion of or resistance to supremacist Islam—if pious Muslims were not so violent in the name of their vile creed.
And our daring to notice this savagery is what causes it…
Of course, this is a complete inversion of cause and effect—it is the violence of Islam that causes us to notice that Islam is violent.
But pious Muslims like this Imam hope we won’t realize that. Because if we follow his “reasoning”, it will lead us to do nothing to oppose Islam—not even to mention that it is so violent and oppressive.
And if we are that passive it will be a whole lot easier to oppress us, which is the whole purpose of this crap.
pdxnag says
Islamic Logic 101:
Vandals vandalize because of a law against vandalism.
Michael Copeland says
Oh dear, “the path of bigotry that has only one interpretation of any [Koranic] verse” has a lot to answer for.
The Arabic for “path”, by the way, is sharia.
What are the other “interpretations” of “kill”, in Koran 9:5:
“Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”?
Do let us know, imam.
Steven says
Also, the muslims felt so discriminated and “attacked” by so-called Islamophobia because they are all equal as non-muslims, not above them in the western countries as the muslims have more rights and are above than non-muslims in the Middle Eastern and Islamic countries. What we really need is get rid of the muslims who keep whinging and demanding too much. Don’t forget islamophobia is created by Islamic fascists who hate the non-muslims
fair_dinkum says
lots of ‘explanations’ … they dont fit in, islamaphobia, the west caused it. theyre bored is my favourite.
every reason except the truth.
BC says
Quite simply Muslims should not be living in non Muslim states. Muslims cannot blend in or adapt to non Islmaic ways of life, in fact their mission is to Islamise the countries they live in. Muslims should be happy in Islamic states so why do they not remain there. Because islamic states do not provide the life styles they crave
Mirren10 says
”Muslims should be happy in Islamic states so why do they not remain there. Because islamic states do not provide the life styles they crave”
They come here to the West in order to spread islam and eventually take over. The ‘life style’ they crave is very closely linked to living on benefits (provided by the stupid kufr) without doing any work. They believe they are *entitled* to this.
In the UK, 75% of mohammedan women are on benefits, and 50% of mohammedan men, likewise. This is why they bypass other countries, which don’t have such ‘generous’ benefits, and force their way in here, pretending they are fleeing from ‘persecution’, and need ‘asylum’.
hammar says
mohammed was never a prophet or a man with wisdom. He never did anything worth while in his whole life. But he was a killer, robber, trespasser, thief, and had sex with children. Not a man to follow never mind glorify him.
islam creates the slavery state and is slavery to all. It is a sickness that allows terror and murder.
Only the Bible is the word of God that is a fact of history and civilization.
Only Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. Only He is the Son of God. Salvation only comes though Christ to every man, woman and all. Pray without ceasing .
Laura says
I think that these ‘moderate’ muslims are just ‘trying it on’ to see how far they can push us before we retaliate – but, if our embarrassing past record of standing up to muslim provocation is anything to go by – it looks as though they may push us all the way to complete surrender.
Jack Gordon says
Oh, how right the Imam is! Why here is a perfect example of this terrible and nasty Islamophobia from just last night in Missouri (from that daffy left-wing rag, The Guardian):
” A Missouri inmate has been put to death Wednesday for killing two people during a restaurant robbery in 1998.
Earl Ringo Jr, 40, and an accomplice killed delivery driver Dennis Poyser and manager trainee JoAnna Baysinger at a Ruby Tuesday restaurant in Columbia in the early hours of 4 July 1998.
The Department of Corrections said Ringo was executed at 12.22am by lethal injection and pronounced dead at 12.31am.
Ringo’s last words were a quote from the Quran that expresses belief and wishes for after death. ”
I wonder. Do you think Mr. Ringo back in 1998 slit his victims’ throats in true heroic Mohammedan fashion?
lenda hand says
muslim islam political , jihad ideology uses ‘phobia’, ‘racist’ to shut N Americans up about speaking FACTS of muslims , muslim islam political, jihad ideology….
To Further muslim islam politcal/ jihad ideology…
yeah N Americans Know ….. hell the whole free world is aware by the millionSssssss and millionSsssss of muslim islam political , jihad tactics that All everyday muslims, all next door muslims execute against N Americans , and its laws, rights, freedoms…… such as screaming racist, phobia
yeah N Americans Know ….