But Ed Husain says, Don’t revoke their passports! And remember: he’s a “moderate”!
“Jewish museum shooting suspect ‘is Islamic State torturer,'” by Kevin Rawlinson, the Guardian, September 6, 2014:
The man suspected of shooting dead four people at a Jewish museum in Brussels was an Islamic State militant who tortured his captives, a journalist held by the extremist group has said.
The claim appears to crystallise fears that Europeans who travel to fight with Isis in Syria and Iraq could return to commit atrocities at home.
The French journalist Nicolas Hénin said he was kidnapped in Syria in 2013 and released in April, having been held captive by Mehdi Nemmouche, who was arrested in June for the attack on the museum the previous month.
According to the weekly news magazine Le Point, Hénin said that “when Nemmouche wasn’t singing, he was torturing”.
The journalist, who was released in April, said: “[Nemmouche] was a member of a small group of French nationals whose arrival used to terrify about 50 Syrian prisoners held in cells near ours. Every night, blows would start raining down in the room where I myself had been interrogated. The torture went on all night long, until the dawn prayer.”
The British government has repeatedly warned of the possibility that extremists could return to the UK to carry out attacks. It announced planned new anti-terrorism measures this week, after the threat level was raised to severe.
Hénin was held with American journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, both of whom were subsequently murdered by Isis extremists. He was released in April with other French journalists who had been held since June 2013.
French authorities have said about 900 people from France have been implicated in jihad in the Syrian region. Several dozen have been killed. Intelligence agencies reportedly believe 400-600 Britons have also gone to the region to fight.
Last month, Hénin described how Foley had endured tougher treatment from his captors because of his citizenship, but always behaved with courage and dignity.
He and the other French journalists released in April described being held in about 10 underground places of captivity, mostly with other people. They did not elaborate on some details of captivity because of potential consequences for hostages still being held.
Beagle says
Time to take those Krav Maga classes you’ve (I’ve) been thinking of. Everyone needs to take good care of themselves and start exercising. Running shoes are the right choice always. If you’ve been thinking of a concealed weapon, or a weapon period, now would be the time.
We’re on our own. Our governments are not going to do much. They live behind triple-layered security. Nothing much will happen to them however bad it gets.
jimmi says
It is very complex to counter a surprise attack of an unknown type, no matter your training.
But sure, there is no “awakening”, do not misunderstand me…I appreciate Jihadwatch daily articles and the work of their writers… they, if they are preserved, will be an archeological evidence of how a culture is being lost step by step by another, a historical regression played by demographics many centuries ahead… that’s all.
All the awareness is not going to stop the islamization and these every day more often attacks .
Beagle says
I am not guaranteeing success in fighting back. I support fighting back as a moral position as much as a practical one. Self defense from jihad is not a great option, just the only sensible one. Expecting reform from within, reason, honesty, or mercy from our Islamic foe is clearly not working.
Beagle says
Also, your conclusion that western civilization can survive until overwhelmed by “demographics many centuries ahead” is far too optimistic. We are already in the situation ten years later I expected in several decades. Islamic immigration is not only unlimited, but has been turbocharged by the UN Refugee Resettlement Program.
“Centuries” is more like fifty years, tops. When the existing young (most popular name) Muhammads have their eight young Mohammeds, they grow up, and repeat with their many Mahmouds, it’s over.
dumbledoresarmy says
What’s with the withering, paralysing defeatism?
Why so sure that the Enemy can, will, MUST win???
jimmi says
History is not written by human decisions but by resources and demography… they have more resources… we just have human capital.
Winning has nothing to do with justice, morality or reason.
jimmi says
I can win as an individual but… there is no collective hope if your country contains a significant amount of Muslims… this is a permanent doom.
gravenimage says
jimmi wrote:
I appreciate Jihadwatch daily articles and the work of their writers… they, if they are preserved, will be an archeological evidence of how a culture is being lost step by step by another, a historical regression played by demographics many centuries ahead… that’s all.
All the awareness is not going to stop the islamization and these every day more often attacks .
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Do you think that Robert Spencer is working so passionately and so hard in order to just create some sort of archive for future archeologists to chronicle our fall?
Besides, if Islam is allowed to usher in another dark age, who is ever to read this?
But raising awareness *is* crucial is it leads to action—something you seem to believe is impossible.
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History is not written by human decisions but by resources and demography… they have more resources… we just have human capital.
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This is just false. Resolution has changed the course of history countless times.
And how do pious Muslims “have more resources”? We outstrip Muslims in virtually every way—we are more moral, more accomplished, more technologically advanced, better at reason, better at tactical thinking—the only thing we really lack right now is a widespread awareness of the threat of Islam and the resolution to fight it.
You seem to have the awareness—but no will at all.
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Winning has nothing to do with justice, morality or reason.
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Not always true. If a people passionately believe in justice, morality, and reason; and use the latter to marshall all their resources and will, it can make a great deal of difference.
It was what led little Britain to stand virtually alone against the horrifying Nazi war machine until the US joined the fight.
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I can win as an individual but… there is no collective hope if your country contains a significant amount of Muslims… this is a permanent doom
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More crap.
The West—especially Britain and Europe—*are* in dire straights right now, and it is through the foolish policies of our “leaders”.
But Spain, Portugal, southern Italy, Sicily, Greece, Israel, and large swaths of the Balkans were under much more dire conditions—all of them were conquered and under oppression by the Muslim hordes, some of them *for centuries*.
All of them regained their freedom from the Muslim yoke.
And they didn’t achieve that by evincing the sort of nihilistic defeatism that you are showing here.
If you are just experiencing a moment of despair, that can be excused, and sympathized with. In this case, I say to you: don’t give up yet!
But if you are deliberately spreading the idea that our rolling over for the barbarians is a fait accompli, then you are no ally of ours.
Ha Meshuga says
Yes I agree with you and its a big item on my agenda…but theres this too in case you missed it..
http://jpupdates.com/2014/07/29/european-countries-fail-protect-jews-state-israel-will/
tpellow says
PM Cameron and U.K government will not see, and will not effectively act against the obvious existing security danger of the thousands of barbaric Islamic jihadists who move between the Middle East and Europe, with the intent of killing us, the kafirs.
Don McKellar says
The Islamic State has just begun to swing its Sharia bullwhip on Europe. Foolish, politially correct, leftist-delusional until it is too late, Europe. Many will die. And the racist leftists will stand tall in their belief that it is wrong to oppose Islam, because they believe it is the religion of minorities and people of color, and therefore must be protected and defencded no matter what inhuman horrors are promoted in the Koran and the Hadiths, which its most devout and true followers practice.
Don McKellar says
I understand why Robert has disallowed editing of posts, but I sometimes read mine after I post them and see all these typos and wish I could fix them…
Diane Harvey says
Definitions,
Devout Muslim – the one who wields the sword or pulls the trigger
Moderate Muslim – the one who holds the scabbard or provides the ammo
Beagle says
That’s mainstream Islamic belief by the way. If a Muslim cannot wage sword jihad, he can support the jihad rhetorically or financially through zakat. Islamic ‘charity’ is focused primarily on spreading Islam, the most fundamental purpose of jihad. It is not a coincidence that you never see Islamic soup kitchens in poor nations, but rather see all of their so-called charities eventually discovered to be supporting global jihad.
mortimer says
…the ‘moderate’ Muslim pays for the ammo with his ZAKAT…part of which goes to jihad…all Muslims know this.
gravenimage says
Very true about Zakat, Beagle and Mortimer.
richard sherman says
A moderate Muslim is a Muslim who declares that anyone who personally decapitated 600-900 unarmed Jews in 627 is a piece of sh*t sociopath..
None have born in 1400 years…and none ever will
mortimer says
Mehdi Nemmouche is the nightmare Husain says DOES NOT EXIST…the jihadist who returns to the West to commit terrorism.
Mehdi Nemmouche proves that Husain is wrong, wrong, wrong.
andrew sapia says
We really need to set up a new Nuremberg type trial system for these Jihadis involved in torturing and beheading people. They need to document the torture and the beheadings, which should not be too difficult since they are proud of it and brag about it any chance they get. These people need to be charged with war crimes and genocide and crimes against humanity and they need to be put on trial and hung publically, no lethal injection, hung or the firing squad in a very public way. I know the European feeling about the death penalty but this is different and people need to be made an example of. Enough is enough, is enough already.
gravenimage says
Belgium Jewish museum jihad murderer served as torturer for Islamic State
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This is likely the first confirmed case of a Jihadist with the Islamic State returned to the civilized world to put his shiny new Jihadist skills to work.
But I doubt very much it will be the last…