It will be interesting to see how authorities attempt to grant Hiva Alizadeh’s request. Will they send John Kerry or Fr. Dwight Longenecker to his prison cell to teach him about the true, peaceful teachings of Islam? De-radicalization programs have spectacularly failed in Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. How will Canadian authorities make them work for Alizadeh?
“Hiva Alizadeh pleads guilty in Ottawa terrorism trial,” CBC News, September 17, 2014:
Hiva Mohammad Alizadeh, a man police called the ringleader of a group accused of plotting attacks in Canada, has pleaded guilty to explosives possession with the intent to cause harm as part of a terrorist conspiracy and received a 24-year sentence as part of an agreement.
He entered the plea in court in Ottawa on Wednesday under a deal agreed to by Crown and defence lawyers.
Alizadeh received a 24-year sentence, minus time served. Credited one and a half years for each of the four years he served, the sentence means Alizadeh will spend 18 years in a federal prison.
Alizadeh apologized in court, saying that he wanted to be de-radicalized.
Justice Colin McKinnon told Alizadeh in court he was effectively guilty of treason and had betrayed his family and community.
Alizadeh is one of three men arrested and charged in 2010 after an RCMP investigation.
Misbahuddin Ahmed, an Ottawa X-ray technologist, is awaiting sentencing after he was found guilty in July of conspiring to knowingly facilitate a terrorist activity and participating in the activities of a terrorist group.
A third man whose voice was recorded in police surveillance — former London, Ont., pathologist Khurram Sher — was found not guilty in August of planning terrorist activity.
Spent 2 months at terror training camp
An agreed statement of facts submitted with the plea outlined Alizadeh’s efforts to create a terrorist group within Canada in the months leading up his arrest.
According to the statement, Alizadeh had gone to a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan in 2009 and spent two months there, receiving training in the use of firearms and how to assemble remote-controlled improvised explosive devices.
He also smuggled back violent propaganda videos, instructional materials on constructing triggering devices and 56 electronic circuit boards designed specifically to remotely detonate improvised explosive devices (IEDs).
He maintained contact with Kurdish insurgents loosely allied with the Taliban and a man who helped foreigners receive terrorist training in Afghanistan and Pakistan and used pay-as-you-go cellphones and payphones, as well as a public library internet account under a false name, to communicate with co-conspirators.
After returning to Canada, Alizadeh sought to start his own group in Ottawa. He met with Ahmed in February 2010 and attempted to radicalize him. In July 2010, the two men also met with Sher and attempted to recruit him.
Police found partially assembled triggering device
When police searched Alizadeh’s apartment, they found a President’s Choice grocery bag containing a partially assembled circuit board for an IED with seven components soldered on, in keeping with instructions in the accompanying terrorist training material.
Police said the device needed only three more components readily available at consumer electronic stores to be functional when combined with explosives, and classified this as an “explosive substance” under the Criminal Code. They later found the bag and its contents in Ahmed’s possession.
Alizadeh was planning move to Saudi Arabia when arrestedAlizadeh also solicited money in Canada to help his brother in Iran buy what he believed would be a rocket-propelled grenade device.
When police arrested Alizadeh and Ahmed in Ottawa, neither had obtained the necessary chemicals or explosives to make the IED functional, and they had no plans for a specific attack, according to the agreed statement of facts.
At the time of the arrests, Alizadeh’s wife had accepted a teaching job in Saudi Arabia and the couple were planning to move there with their three children.
Paleologos says
Alizadeh received a 24-year sentence, minus time served. Credited one and a half years for each of the four years he served, the sentence means Alizadeh will spend 18 years in a federal prison.
Alizadeh apologized in court, saying that he wanted to be de-radicalized.
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Well, I hope this little islamo-turd serves every day of his 18 year term, and then falls on a knife on his way out of prison.
Sad thing is, If the Canadian prisons are anything like U.S. prisons, he can get radicalized some more, right there in prison, by fellow muslim turd inmates …
http://www.christianaction.org/blog/2014/6/12/sleeping-giant-new-can-video-exposes-islamic-radicalization-in-american-prisons
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Paleologus
ninetyninepct says
If he truly even tries to de-radicalize he will be killed. With islam and Muslims, there is no turning back or changing his mind. He is now a dead man and will shortly be on his way to be awarded his 70 virgin hams.
If Canadian courts really want to show that they support him, they should appoint young justin as he professes that islamist terrorists are simply misunderstood and can be saved with hugs and kisses and a little small talk. We can be absolutely guaranteed that justi will NEVER refuse because Liberals never lie.
Paleologos says
ninetyninepct,
Not to pick nits, but the number is 72. Don’t short change islam, the religion of the retarded … 🙂 …
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Paleologos
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565
Beagle says
The only deradicalization which seems to work repeatedly is Christianity. I am not ruling out other approaches. Instead I come at this as an observer of Muslims who have been involved in jihad and made significant changes in their lives. Many of them I read about here first, or saw in a video.
I am not a frequent bible quoting evangelical by any means, as those who read my comments must know, but I’ve seen what does not lead to nearly immediate recidivism. Some of the most interesting critics of Islam are the now Christian apostate Muslims.
In fact I plan on reading more of the bible myself. The love quotes people have been posting here would be a nice change from the many “strike terror”, “Allahs’ cause” and beheading ayats I’ve committed to memory.
I never saw that coming, hyper-rationalist I fancy myself. Not saying I’m going to accept it all uncritically. That’s just not how my head is wired.
mortimer says
Muslims don’t know the Golden Rule, because it isn’t in the Islamic writings…anywhere.
ninetyninepct says
The islam / Muslim golden rule is – Do Unto Others.
That being their golden rule, they will not have any hard feelings when intelligent civilized countries Do Unto Them.
Repeatedly.
epistemology says
There is a very simple cure: Leave Islam and things will be alright. All the ex-Muslims I know of are great people.
Beagle says
No doubt that’s the critical step one. Some like Ibn Warraq or Ali Sina only need step one and become brilliant thinkers, debaters, and writers.
Others may need something to replace what they feel they have lost in Islam, or something to help erase all the allegedly divine commands to kill and subjugate.
Michael Copeland says
It is worth repeating:
“De-radicalisation” is a joke. It is defined in the UK government’s “Prevent” strategy (a free download) as:
“usually …activity …intended to effect …change”.
Note that this does not include any result. If the “activity” happens with the due intention that is all that is called for. If it does not happen, well, that is the less “usually”.
Here it is:
“De-radicalisation usually refers to activity aimed at a person who supports terrorism and in some cases has engaged in terrorist related activity, which is intended to effect cognitive and/or behavioural change leading to a new outlook on terrorism and/or disengagement from it.”
This “activity” will, of course, require taxpayer funds (jizya).
voegelinian says
That useless description of a “de-radicalized” Muslim which Michael Copeland quotes from that UK government source above, by the way, fits Maajid Nawaz
as snugly as the Isotoner leather glove fit O.J. (even as he pretended to struggle with slipping it on).
duh_swami says
Judge Roy Bean de-radicalised a lot of bad guys in the old west. But now, finger painting and Disney Movies are the preferred methods, along with hot tub therapy and lots of halal food, and Friday night bingo right after prayers..
Charli Main says
De-radicalising him should be fairly straightforward. Just give him a copy of the Kumbya Koran, as used by Cameron, Obama, Kerry and Blair.
Once he reads all those Koranic Kumbya verses, teaching love, peace and friendship to Jews, Christians and other infidels, he will see the error of his ways and become a moderate, peace loving Muslim.
gerard says
The only de-radicalisation of a Muslim is de-Islamisation.
The search for “peaceful” Islam is trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.
ninetyninepct says
I offer to help him de-radicalize. Will take a few seconds though as I need to re-load.
Yokel says
Hmm. I wonder if he is seeking now to carry out his Jihad by spying on the West. How else are they going to find out what actually happens during a “deradicalisation” program, other than by putting a volunteer through it? And debriefing him afterwards. Then they can use the gathered information for anti-West propaganda against “deradicalisation” and also within their own “community” to “protect” against its “harmful” effects.
Maybe I have been reading too many conspiracy theories of late, but this request stinks.
London Jim says
This thread has got my day off to a thoughtful start. Thanks for that link, Paleologus – it’s a riveting read – , and good on you, Beagle for seeking what you’re finding, and for sharing your thoughts so honestly.
Isabella says
Once a Muslim always a Muslim. This guy said things to appease the Infidels. Time will tell and we will be disappointed. How much this nuisance will cost to the Canadian tax payers? Plus he will probably study in jail again to our expense. Insane, insane way to punish such a scum bag.
justice judge says
I don’t believe any longer in a “moderate Muslim”. It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for the country they reside in. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but we better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” Do you know that Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!
Taqiyya (“al Taqiyya”) is the Muslims’ license to lie to infidels in order to camouflage Islam’s holy war strategy (jihad) to conquer the world. The strategy mentioned through orders and solicitations in the Quran 3:28 and other Islamic writings and reference applies to all Western countries and against all infidels people (non-muslims) who are not Islamic and therefore seen as a constant threat to Islam.
Champ says
I don’t believe any longer in a “moderate Muslim”.
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You no longer believe in “moderate” muslims! …WHAT?!! ..sigh, and I bet you *don’t* believe in unicorns either …jeez, what’s the world coming to?!
😉
Judi says
Misahuddin Ahmed is an Ottawa X-Ray technician? Has Canada run out of indigenous Canadians to staff their hospitals? Imagine being X-rayed by this muzzrat.
Jaladhi says
Canada has chosen to import Muslims at an alarming rate and now they are paying the price. This is true for all West but even now West is not prepared to listen – its the religion , stupid and its the Muslims – stupid!!
Jaladhi says
You believe this scum bag at your own risk!! He will never be deradicalized until he leaves Islam!!
Angemon says
Erm, what? If he really wants to leave islam he shouldn’t need outside help.
Mirren10 says
Exactly, Angemon.
None of the ex-muslims I’ve ever heard of, including our own Saleem Smith, and Miriam rove, needed to be ‘de-radicalised’ in order to leave islam.
People like the above, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ali Sina, Nonie Darwish, Walid Shoebat et al, *chose* to leave islam because they recognised it for what it was, an evil, filthy, wicked creed.
This is nothing more than a cunning mohammedan hoping if he says what the kufr want to hear, he’ll get a reduced sentence. Or, more likely, as Yokel, above, noted, a way of finding out what the kufr mean by ‘de-radicalisation’, and then subverting it.
Beagle suggested reading the Bible, and a course of Christianity, might work. It certainly wouldn’t hurt, but some ex-muslims, including our own apostates, and Hirsi Ali, and Ali Sina, have rejected islam in favour of atheism, or agnosticism.
The truth is, as you stated, any mohammedan who truly wants to leave islam, will do it without any outside help, or any ‘de-radicalisation’ program, which, as Robert notes, has failed dismally wherever it has been tried.
A bit of fingerpainting and basket weaving isn’t going to sway a mohammedan who plots against the country which took him in, and takes his family to live in Saudi Arabia.
mortimer says
What do you say to the judge after you say you’re sorry?
Almach says
this would be hilarious, if it wasn’t really said: “de-radicalise me” as if one would say: “de-lice me”… what a bunch of vermin.
paddy says
DERADICALISED?…DERADICALISED!!?
This poor excuse for a human being is a lying, duplicitous rat (typical muslim).
Mannie says
I have a sure fire way of deradicalizing him. All it needs is a modified chiropractic spinal manipulation. You put this rope around his neck . . .
mortimer says
So many Muslims ‘misunderstand’ the ‘peaceful’ Meccan verses of the Koran and assume that they have been completely cancelled and abrogated by violent Medinan verses.
That’s ‘real Islam’, isn’t it, Mr. Kerry? Abrogation.
ralph says
You start with cutting his head off and that way you can de-radicalize the filthy muslim.
London Jim says
With all due respect, Ralph, let the punishment fit the crime. I thought that was a simary precept of law. Do correct me if i’m wrong.
London Jim says
With all due respect, Ralph, let the punishment fit the crime. I thought that was a primary precept of law. Do correct me if i’m wrong.
voegelinian says
One should be very careful and take extra precautions when performing the delicate operation of de-radicalizing a Muslim — putting one in mind of an intensely perspiring James Bond, shackled to a bomb in the bowels of Fort Knox, with the odd Oddjob closing in with his deadly frisbee of a hat, as he studies the bomb’s timer and its nearly incomprehensible tangle of colored wires, with only seconds left… Should I detach the blue wire? Or the red wire? Or perhaps the green wire…? These are the kinds of questions we must take with deadly seriousness when trying to de-radicalize a Muslim. We’d be lucky to stop the counter at “007” and save the day.
Liza Jones says
De-radicalize? What about castration? No virgins? No point?
missizbeasley says
How can these radicals be reformed into something acceptable? I just don’t see it. It’s dangerously delusional to suggest that there exists such a salvo for insanity other than really really strong drugs.
I would love to simply say, “Off with his head”, but I don’t want to sound.. intolerant of anyone’s belief system (puke) This sort of problem shouldn’t even be put before us in this day ‘n age, yet, here it is.; a stone age ideology that knows no shame, boundaries or humanity.
Wolfgang says
de-radicalized ? shoot him in the head ?
Uncle Vladdi says
Only two out of the three conspirators were found guilty, because they were tried in front of different judges. Kurram Sher was found not-guilty by Canada’s worst, (most liberal) judge, Charles Hackland, even after Hackland admitted he hadn’t been able to believe a single word Sher had testified in his courtroom.
Semeru says
I would say that Indonesia has been very successful in some cases, especially this one, pity they do not do it more often
http://goo.gl/MiGUaO
Paleologos says
To the Board …
Sadly, muslims have infiltrated the world to such an extent …
… and yes, I am convinced obama is muslim. Don’t listen to the democrat gibberish … “islamospeak” as I call it … the Hawaiian Certificate Of Live Birth most certainly does not equal a birth certificate.
Kenya or Indonesia, … maybe … but islamic barry hussein definitely fails the POTUS natural born citizen requirement.
I now believe the U.S. needs to deport all muslims, and ask questions later.
Last time I checked we have roughly 10 million muslims in the U.S. How many of those will come down with “Sudden Jihad Syndrome?”
Wouldn’t be a bad idea to infiltrate all U.S. mosques, and get C.I.A. types to make any muslims chanting, “Death to the Great and Little Satan.” … “disappear” in a prejudicial way. 🙂
ahhhh … I’m not POTUS, neither is Robert, nor Geert Wilders, … so the U.S. is in a VERY unsafe place right now.
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Paleologos