“In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate,” said McCarrick. That, of course, is the heading on 113 of the Qur’an’s 114 chapters. The only one that doesn’t begin with that is surat at-tawba, sura 9, which contains the exhortation to Muslims to fight against Jews and Christians until they “pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued” (9:29). Cardinal McCarrick seems quite submissive already.
“Catholic Cardinal McCarrick Embraces Islam,” by Neil Munro, Daily Caller, September 11, 2014:
Catholic Cardinal Theodore McCarrick offered Islamic religious phrases and insisted that Islam shares foundational rules with Christianity, during a Sept. 10 press conference in D.C.
“In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate,” McCarrick said as he introduced himself to the audience at a meeting arranged by the Muslim Public Affairs Council. That praise of the Islamic deity is an important phrase in Islam, is found more than 100 times in the Koran, and is akin to the Catholic prayer, ”In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
McCarrick next claimed that “Catholic social teaching is based on the dignity of the human person… [and] as you study the holy Koran, as you study Islam, basically, this is what Muhammad the prophet, peace be upon him, has been teaching.”…
“Has Cardinal McCarrick converted to Islam?” asked a scornful critic, Robert Spencer, the best-selling author of many books on Islam.
“‘Peace be upon him’ is a phrase Muslims utter after they say the name of [their reputed] prophet… [so] probably he is unaware of the unintended Islamic confession of faith he has just made,”said Spencer, who runs the Jihadwatch.org website.
McCarrick is wrong to say “that Islam teaches the dignity of every human person,“ Spencer said. “Actually it teaches a sharp dichotomy between the Muslims, [who are called] ‘the best of people’ and the unbelievers [are called] ‘the most vile of created beings,’” Spencer told TheDC.
“The Koran also says: ‘Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, harsh to the unbelievers,’” Spencer said.
The same warning came from Archbishop Amel Nona, who was head of Chaldean Catholic Archeparch of Mosul in Iraq. In a August comment made to Europeans, he said that “You think all men are equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are equal [and] your values are not their values.”…
“We are together on this against evil, we are against killing, we are against destruction… God bless you in this work you do,” McCarrick said to the Muslim speakers, which included representatives from one group — the Islamic Society of North America — that was implicated in a conspiracy to smuggle funds to the Hamas terror group that recently launched another bombardment of thousands of rockets at Israeli Jews.
“We believe that Islam is a religion which helps people, not kills them… the Muslim community has always taught this,” McCarrick said….
Since early this year, the Islamic State group has killed and murdered thousands of Iraqis that don’t accept rule by the brutal Salafi variant of Islam. The victims include Shia Muslims, Christians and adherents of the pre-Christian Yazidi religion. Tens of thousands of non-Muslims have also been driven from their homes and fields.McCarrick, however, downplayed ISIS’s attack on Christians in Iraq, and expressed more concerns for Muslim victims of ISIS attacks. “The truth of the matter is in these terrible massacres of the Islamic state, most of the victims have been Muslims, most of them have not been Christians,” he told his Sept. 10 audience….
Spencer urged McCarrick to challenge his Muslim hosts. “Cardinal McCarrick, rather than indulge in this fond and ignorant wishful thinking, would have done better to have challenged his Muslim friends to match their lofty words with real action to combat the Islamic State and other Muslim persecutors of Christians,” Spencer said.McCarrick should have “asked them to institute programs in mosques and Islamic schools to teach against the literal meaning of the verses I quoted above and others like them, so that they no longer incite Muslims to violence,” in the U.S. or abroad, Spencer said.
John C. Barile says
God is not merely “the Merciful and the Compassionate,” as mere men might perceive (or distort) these–no, He IS MERCY and IS COMPASSION Himself, in His very Being.
John the beloved says
The Church in America is afraid of Islam
Greyhound Fancier says
Fear of Muslims is certainly sensible in today’s world. Who wants to be raped, stoned, or beheaded? However, all of the above will happen if we don’t adopt courage and resist the barbarians.
BTW, Cardinal, Islam does not agree that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and does not have a Golden Rule. Islam institutionalizes as either religious duties or religiously acceptable killing, rape, child molestation, and lying. Jesus would not approve of any of that.
Islam is so monotheistic that God cannot have a Son, therefore Christianity is considered heretical.
One thing the Muslims are correct on, though, that we all are born Muslims and those reared as Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or other faiths only “revert”. That is correct, because Islam is the religion of the unregenerate man.
omega2 says
THAT WE ALL ARE BORN A MUSLIM! BULL CRAP, YOU MIGHT BE, BUT I SURE AS HELL WAS BORN A CHRISTIAN AND NOT A PIG OF THE PAST!
Karajan says
TO… Greyhound Fancier
Before you use words like “un·re·gen·er·ate” why don’t you look it up in the dictionary???
Or you are playing some Lying/Taqiyya trick???
Keep for yourself your TOTALLY MEANINGLESS ILLOGICAL STUPIDITIES.
un·re·gen·er·ate
adjective, Also, un·re·gen·er·at·ed
[uhn-ri-jen-uh-rey-tid] (Show Spelled)
1.
not regenerate; not renewed in heart and mind or reborn in spirit; unrepentant:
an unregenerate sinner.
2.
refusing to believe in the existence of God:
an unregenerate atheist; an unregenerate skeptic.
3.
unconvinced by or unconverted to a particular religion, sect, or movement; unreconstructed.
4.
persisting in the holding of prior convictions; opposing new ideas, causes, etc.; stubborn; obstinate:
an unregenerate reactionary.
5.
not reformed; wicked; sinful; profligate; dissolute:
an unregenerate way of life.
herbert says
TO… Greyhound Fancier
Before you use words like “un·re·gen·er·ate” why don’t you look it up in the dictionary???
Or you are playing some Lying/Taqiyya trick???
Keep for yourself your TOTALLY MEANINGLESS ILLOGICAL STUPIDITIES.
un·re·gen·er·ate
adjective, Also, un·re·gen·er·at·ed
1.
not regenerate; not renewed in heart and mind or reborn in spirit; unrepentant:
an unregenerate sinner.
2.
refusing to believe in the existence of God:
an unregenerate atheist; an unregenerate skeptic.
3.
unconvinced by or unconverted to a particular religion, sect, or movement; unreconstructed.
4.
persisting in the holding of prior convictions; opposing new ideas, causes, etc.; stubborn; obstinate:
an unregenerate reactionary.
5.
not reformed; wicked; sinful; profligate; dissolute:
an unregenerate way of life.
Erl william says
Exactly no truer words can be spoken
Mo says
What idiocy! Does this guy not know that even if it wasn’t violent at all, Islam still denies the foundational teachings of Christianity like the divinity of Christ, the Trinity and Christ’s death on the cross?!
If he’s going to do something like this, why not simply go all the way and convert? I’d at least have more respect for him!
The willful blindness of people who are supposed to be LEADERS continues to astound me. You’d think I’d be quite used to it by now!
Peter says
Generations of Templars, St John’s, Hospitalier’s and Teuton’s including all of their Sergants-At-Arms are spinning in their graves and crypts.
Wellington says
The Roman Catholic hierarchy is increasingly failing its flock where Islam is concerned. There is no excuse for this willful ignorance. For security reasons, I can understand why many in this hierarchy might not want to say anything negative about Islam (at least for now) since Islam, to put it mildly, doesn’t take criticism well, but to actually make positive statements about a religion that has appropriated Jesus to itself and which looks upon Roman Catholics (and so many others) in this world as inferior human beings—according to Islamic law the equivalent of human waste—is both pusillanimous and stupid. Three messages to the Roman Catholic hierarchy: Shut up, learn and grow a pair.
John C. Barile says
Would that they did.
Kepha says
Good advice, Wellington.
We Evangelicals are still of the mind that the only worthwhile reform of Islam is multitudes of Muslims turning to Jesus Christ as he is presented in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments.–and we see McCarrick as someone selling out Jesus Christ.
Neil jennison says
We Catholics (should) agree.
Greyhound Fancier says
To Christians, one of the worst aspects of Islam is its belief that it knows all about Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ. Islam however takes the life and teaching of Jesus and turns it on its head.
1. Jesus cannot be God’s Son (therefore no Holy Trinity)
2. Jesus did not die on a cross – that was a Jewish trick (to what end?)
3. Jesus is not the Way, Truth, or Life, just a lesser prophet than Mohammed the Awful
Once taught the above, Muslims think they know all they need to know about Jesus. That handicaps them as far as being born again to eternal life. Poor Muslims – but we Christians, especially our bishops, should not assure Muslims that we and they have similar views of God.
Pray for mass conversion of the Muslims – they need it terribly if ever they are to see peace in their world.
Neil Jennison says
Absolutely correct.
John C. Barile says
God to the Muslim mind is ultimately unknowable, is beyond good and evil, is totally unbound, even by his own word and covenants. They may say that God is beneficent, or merciful and compassionate–they simply mean indulgent to Muslims–but they would never assert that God Is Love, Is Good, Is Mercy, Is Reason; and to presume such is shirk to them.
AnneM says
Better to simply tell the Muslims that they worship the devil.
rev g says
Yes!! Short, sweet, and to the point.
mortimer says
Quote: “God to the Muslim mind is ultimately unknowable, is beyond good and evil, is totally unbound, even by his own word and covenants.”
John, you should be writing your own blog. Perfectly expressed.
The Roman Catholic hierarchy needs to listen to correctly phrased Islamic theology, rather than speak without a clear understanding of the foolishness they are spouting.
John C. Barile says
I’m grateful for your encouragement, Mort. We all need it.
James Linnstrom says
Allah is unknowable. That is a good point! Muslims frequently say with the deepest religious sentiment that Mohammed was sent by Allah as His Mercy. And you look at the life of Mohammed and you find the guy is worse than Charles Manson. Far worse. I am not sure Manson liked beheading hundreds of people. Well, I guess he might. The point is this. If Charles Manson, or a murdering pedophile slave trafficker like Mohammed,. was sent by Allah as a revelation of his ‘mercy’, I mean, how can anyone understands this Allah god? He is beyond human reason! He is totally unknowable. He is like total darkness.
JoePk says
“And you look at the life of Mohammed and you find the guy is worse than Charles Manson.”
Compared to Mohammed, Manson is a saint.
Neil Jennison says
Then Cardinal is a muppet. But then many if not most Catholic Bishops are apostate these days so what would you expect?
Mitch says
“this is what Muhammad the prophet, peace be upon him, has been teaching.”
“Has been” ? Does His Eminence worship the living Muhammad? The better muslims at this conference must have gotten a chuckle from this.
No dhimmi says
As a Catholic, I am appauled and saddened that the Cardinal made these statements. He woefully misunderstands what Islam stands for. Islam denies the theology and dogma of the Christian Faith. The ayats in the Qur’an that are congenial to Christians have been abrogated. Christians are accused of committing one of the gravest sins in Islam, the sin of Shirk…. Attributing partners to God. Islam has been hostile to Christianity since it’s inception. The hostility and persecution we are witnessing today is motivated by ayats in the Qur’an and Sharia.
The Cardinal owes an apology to all Catholics for his remarks.
Neil Jennison says
Don’t hold your breath. The Catholic Church is infested by Political Correctness and put human ideas before God every time.
john spielman says
this cardinal should be defrocked because he is equating Christ Jesus with the antichrist islam
Eyal says
Is it out of fear or mere stupidity?
gerard says
It seems to me that Cardinal McCarrick holds to the policy: Be nice to them and they’ll be nice to us.
If the Jews were “nice” to the SS, would the SS have spared them?
Cardinal McCarrick has no idea what he’s dealing with in Islam.
Justin Sonaggere says
Cardinal McCarrick is 84 years old. Is he still all there?
SpiritOf1683 says
There are all too many like him who are along way from being 84 years old. He’s obviously never studied the history of Islam, and is unaware that the so-called peaceful verses in the Koran are abrogated by those which call for war. He and far too many Westerners are all too ready to throw away the sacrifices of 40 or 50 generations who fought to keep the Jihad out of the heart of Europe. This is the reason why women and other faiths aren’t regarded as second class citizens and we are free for now because of these sacrifices. But with idiots like that in profusion, how much longer will we be able to take our religious freedoms for granted?
Ralph says
Genesis 16: 7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”
“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.
9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”
11 The angel of the Lord also said to her:
“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,[a]
for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
olutade says
“He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward[b] all his brothers.”
This summed up why the Arabs cum Muslims wage war against humanity.
Descendantofacrusader says
The unfortunate Cardinal McCarrick comes from a long line of “Christian” heretics that have plagued Christ’s church from it’s very beginning and the church has struggled in response to these unholy blemishes ever since. The Inquisition, despite all of it’s wrongs in my opinion, was one of those attempts to cleanse itself from these cloaked deceivers. Christ warned against “false-prophets” who would come after him and this allah-struck “Cardinal” is only one example in a long line of them .
medina says
McCarrick expertly shuffled pedasterist and pedophile priests around the country, and was never held accountable. Every fad and blasphemous undertaking that has entered the Church was welcomed by this man. At 84, you’d think he’d be more worried about becoming another skull to pave the floor of hell.
Catholics need to know that Scripture warns us about this type of person. He is weak and will be held to account at a much greater level, because he was given a shepherd’s role.
Thomas says
Oh my god! When are the people going to realize how violent and intolerant Islam is, and has always been. We are all sitting ducks waiting to be plucked! We need a leader to emerge and lead the west on a crusade against this sick cult of death that is Islam.
DhimmiNot says
Hold on a sec!
The cardinal is just quoting from the Catholic Catechism which comes directly from the Vatican II Council in 1966.
Para 841 says:
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
So Catholics, don’t dump on this cardinal. He is the messenger, not the problem. He is only following the dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, which he must. If you want to correct your church, start writing letters to have this theological claptrap overturned.
SpiritOf1683 says
You can bet the Catholic Catechism of 1095, if it exists, will say something very different.
Wellington says
Actually, the whole idea of a catechism began with Martin Luther who wrote the first one to explain the fundamentals of the Lutheran faith. It was so successful that the Catholics and others copied the idea. And so there was no catechism of the Catholic faith back when Urban II called for the First Crusade in 1095. I don’t mean to be picky. I just wrote this for accuracy’s sake.
Neil Jennison says
I think that the Catechism is just recognising that actually God’s plan for salvation applies to all and is recognising the fact that Muslims claim to worship the same God, that of Abraham. The Bishop appears to go way beyond that.
The catechism also clearly states on salvation without the Church….
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.
“Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.
Boy, Vatican II has been an unmitigated disaster in its first half century. So what this passage says is that Moslems are good, one of us, cuz they worship the same God explained by the same good Book. But wait a minute, that is empty and shallow stupid and dangerous. For some unexplained reason the Holy Prophet Mohammed chose a different name for his god Allah, changing Yahweh’s name. And the book in Islam ain’t a good book, it’s a bad one that attempts no connection or similarity to the two Bible books.
And, based on those two salient facts, check into how these holders of the faith of Abraham actually operate, what their world view is, what their motives and goals are, what the Holy Ko-Ran actually says. But instead we get hopeful drivel that look a lot like handcuffs.
Neil jennison says
That just about covers it.
James Linnstrom says
That is a remarkable statement! The Catholic Church is saying that they worship the same God as muslims. The God of Catholic church is Allah god that Mohammed worshiped! Wow.
I guess this is why Jesus Christ specifically said, ‘No one comes to the Father except through me.’ ( John 14:6 ) Belief in one Creator God does not help. Sharing in Abraham’s faith does not help.
Only Jesus Christ, the Son of God can lead to the Father. If not, Catholics are indeed worshiping the same god as muslims.
gerard says
“these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, ”
Key phrase: “profess to hold”
In fact they do not .. Islam is anti-Abraham and anti-Christ.
How can Muslims claim to be Abrahamic while hating Jews?!! Of course they would say the Jews have betrayed Abraham. They have no evidence of this.
And how can followers of Abraham kill Christians when Jesus was a descendent of Abraham?
Muslims are not Abrahamic
The CCC gives Muslims the benefit of the doubt. There is only one God. Muslims say there is only one God. And so it would seem that Jews, Christians and Muslims are fundamentally united.
However, when you examine the Islamic view of God, it resembles a description of the Devil.
It is therefore not the case that Catholics must accept Islam, even given CCC.
gerard says
CCC: Catechism of the Catholic Church.
gerard says
“In fact they do not ”
I mean: They do not hold the faith of Abraham.
They claim to do so but clearly they do not.
Champ says
“In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate,” McCarrick said as he introduced himself to the audience at a meeting arranged by the Muslim Public Affairs Council. That praise of the Islamic deity is an important phrase in Islam, is found more than 100 times in the Koran, and is akin to the Catholic prayer, ”In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What malarkey McCarrick! And my Irish eyes are burnin’ mad over what I’m reading concerning your complete *lack* of understanding regarding the Truth: allah is NOT the God of the Bible–I mean hello!
Excerpt:
Muslims believe that there is no other God besides Allah and that he is the God of the universe. They claim that not only is he their God, but that he is the God of the Jews, the Christians and everyone else. When examining the profile of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and comparing it with Allah’s profile, there are a number of distinct differences between them that can only result in one conclusion: These profiles simply do not match! Allah is NOT the God of the Bible!
The Islamic faith, through the teachings of Muhammad, asserts that Allah is God and attempt to place him within the confines of the Holy Scriptures. When the Bible contradicts their teachings, they allege that it is flawed, has been tampered with, and has many errors. They further claim that the Koran, through the teachings of their prophet Muhammad, corrects them. However, it has already been established that Muhammad was both a false prophet and teacher. Therefore, Islam’s allegations are unsupported, baseless and without merit.
There are a number of major differences between the God of the Bible and Allah. This chapter will focus upon five reasons why they are not the same. According to the Holy Scriptures, the God of the Bible is the one true God while Allah is a false god.
http://kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
SpiritOf1683 says
I wonder if this idiot cardinal is aware that the villagers of Baltimore, Ireland were kidnapped in 1631 by Muslim Barbary Pirates and sold on the slave markets, as were 1.5 million other Christian Europeans (and Americans). I wonder how many white Europeans, some of who brand those who criticise Islam as racists and bigots, have distant relatives living in North Africa or Arabia courtesy of these pirates.
Paul says
Murder, banditry, theft, robbery, rape, pedophilia, necrophilia, lies,
hatred was what Mohd did and taught. Looks like Mccarrick knows not what he is talking about, or is he practising taqiya?
Jack Gordon says
McCarrick is like too many Catholic other prelates today. He has a big mouth but no brain to match it. I am a Catholic who is appalled by both the ignorance of many of our bishops (cardinal is merely a title of honor) and their willingness to prattle on as if they were faithful New-York-Times-reading liberals. It is very important to note that what they say about matters extraneous to Catholic teaching carries no greater weight than the opinion of common men and women in the pews. When they opine on something like the question of whether Mohammedanism is or is not a murderous religion deserving absolutely no respect, they express solely their own notions, not those of the Church. Of course that does not prevent their publicly made stupid assertions from doing great harm in the public sphere to the Church’s reputation. But, then, these are the very men who brought us the horrendous cover-up of the homosexual scandals in the last several decades. What can be expected after all of men so irresponsible as to have done that?
Neil Jennison says
I think you are being way too generous to attribute our Bishops’ woeful abandonment of the Faith as “ignorance”.
It is a deliberate attempt by some of them to change the Faith to re-make God in man’s image.
Neil Jennison says
Sorry, that grammar was dire! But I am sure you get the gist.
mortimer says
Message to Cardinal McCarrick : There is no Golden Rule in Islam. (q.v. K. 48.29)
Diane Harvey says
“Holy Beating Swords into Plowshares, Robin”
The rot in the RCC is way, way deeper than any of us ever, ever could have imagined. Here, a RCC cardinal, one of only about 200 of them, a RCC cardinal, intoning Muslim prayers.
A cardinal!!!
And dozens of RCC bishops mouthing the same nonsense.
And the RCC, at least here in North America, and in Europe, wonder why they keep having to close parishes.
somehistory says
Does he not read the Bible, the book, by his choosing a life course as a clergyman, he is supposed to represent to others?
Perhaps he needs a refresher course on what Christ said and was recorded at Matt. 6:24 about a man “cannot serve two masters because he will hate the one, and love the other, or stick to one and leave the other.” (also Luke 16:13)
Perhaps he needs to study and reflect on 1 Corinthians 10:21 where Paul stated that one “cannot eat at the Lord’s table and the table of demons, or drink the Lord’s cup and the cup of the demons.”
And one meant especially for people such as this man: “The one to whom much is given, much will be demanded (Luke 12:48).”
The beast is being given worship by people “great and small” just as Revelation 13 says.
DhimmiNot says
Bible quotations??
Again, refer to the Catholic Catechism…
Para 82: The Church does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone.
Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments…”
The Vatican has every right to define its own dogma, for its own members. Only they can lobby for a desired change in doctrine.
Neil Jennison says
Doctrine cannot change.
Myxlplik says
Lucky for him he doesn’t oppose Islam or it might be his neck offered up as ritualistic slaughter to the Allah demon for the “healing” of Muslim hearts.
“Fight them [those who oppose Islam], Allah will torment them with your hands, humiliate them, empower you over them, and heal the hearts of the believers, removing the rage from their hearts” (Koran 9:14-15).
bobm says
From islams beginnings .. there is the corruption that is Rome.
Thomas Wells says
The cardinal is just another member of the Judas Iscariot society.
Champ says
The Vatican is busy creating a one-world religion, so what this Cardinal is saying lines up with this plan …
And Chrislam is part and parcel of their evil agenga:
http://www.exposingchrislam.com/blog/
Jay Boo says
Great link Champ
Before Vatican II the Catholic church taught it was a sin to even visit other religious houses of worship. Now some Catholic clergy seem to be misinterpreting the peaceful intent of Vatican II by going to the other extreme.
And then we have Rick Warren and others.
voegelinian says
Until the Catholic Church convenes a Vatican III: The Reboot — for which the Pope should promulgate as the keynote Bull, Nostrum Erratum (Latin for “Our Bad”) — you can stick a fork in it. It’s done.
Jack Gordon says
You mean “our mistake”
voegelinian says
Jack, I was being cheeky in my translation. Don’t you know that “my bad” means, effectively, “sorry, my mistake”?
Neil Jennison says
Vogey, much as it pains me to say it, I think your analysis of the errors of Vatican ii has much to commend it.
Now I’m off to lie down in a dark room.
Wellington says
Pope John XXIII should go down as one of the most foolish popes of all time. He did something extra stupid, i.e., he tried to fix something that wasn’t broken. Damn him since Vatican II, initiated by Angelo Roncalli, and as you rightly noted, has proven to be a massive error by the Roman Catholic Church, though only some Catholic prelates to this very day realize this.
And the fact that he is praised to the hilt is itself demonstrative of the silly times we live in. No doubt.
Jay Boo says
Overall, Vatican II can be seen as offing a positive influence on the Roman Catholic Church.
In respect to Islam however, it seems a bit naïve.
IronyDome says
Did he seriously do this on September 10? Great timing there.
Michael says
I am also dismayed by the sliminess of this cardinal, but it’s nothing new that Catholics often do not have good leadership by their bishops, archbishops and cardinals in times of crisis. Indeed at times the leadership has been horrible, as in this case. One of the great miracles of the RCC is that it has survived despite its leadership for nearly two millennia. It only remains for us to see if the USA also has such durability.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
As an Irish Catholic raised in a family where my aunt was nun with the Sisters of Providence, and an uncle who was a Benedictine monk (he died on the cliff over Normandy years before I was born), there was holy water hanging by the door in the my cousins houses… based on all that, for what it matters, I just want to say that the Holy See has devolved into an abomination. They should stop it and apologize, for the good of Christians everywhere. They do great and lasting harm by spreading confusion built around a combination of elision and fake facts. They’re liars, and a rot of the lot of them.
I see in Spengler’s column this week that even though the Christian populations have been declining for decades due to low birth rates and, of course, Sharia-enforced dhimmitude, that there *is* a booming Christian cohort in the Mideast, a booming population that doubled in the last ten years. In Israel. No, they’re not Arab Christians worried about booing Sen. Ted Cruz off the stage, these new Jews in the Mideast are from other catastrophes in Eastern Europe and the Philippines.
So, while the Holy See shirks its sworn duty and somehow makes things even worse by their involvement, Israel is running the world’s most important Christian refugee haven. Way to go, Fathers.
Angemon says
Any chance he’ll say Christian phrases and insist that islam that islam shares foundational rules with Christianity during a Friday sermon at a mosque, in Saudi Arabia? Looking at what’s going on in the world it’s clear that it’s not Christians that need to be told to be nice to muslims.
Neil Jennison says
None whatsoever.
R Cole says
The Cardinal is attempting to reach out over the Islam/rest-of-world divide.
The problem with these attempts is that while he reaches – Islam does not alter its position in return.
One example, was that the Pope would allow a Saudi sponsored mega mosque in Rome – in a kind of gentleman’s agreement – in exchange for a Catholic church/ ‘a church’ to be built in Arabia.
Increasingly it is understood that overtures toward Islam – result only in Islam’s advance. Leaving the Pope speaking about the need for reciprocity.
There are some in Islam who believe also that Christianity should be brought under the umbrella of Islam. To do this they depend of Christian leaders like the Cardinal to – compromise on their values or beliefs – in order to accommodate Islam.
:: ::
There is not a single Christian group in the Islamic world that is not beleaguered. They all no doubt – over the centuries – thought they could reach out and speak to it – but the Islamic scripture would instead allow them to turn Christian teachings into a weakness.
For example, in Egypt this is the sentiment expressed by the Salafist cleric Wagdy Ghoneim on the death of Coptic Pope Shenouda III:
If you are going to reach out – go in like Jesus would have went. And tell them the truth. Those who agree – that’s who you engage with – because in the absence of logic and reason – the rest is just a game.
awake says
As a born and raised Roman Catholic, now currently a non-deistic agnostic, this unfortunately, is not a new revelation regarding the RC Church, and faith has been waning for years in that regard.
This is the same church that supports open borders in the U.S., specifically the southern one, in an egocentric fashion, to fill their pews and stuff their coffers, from a supposed pool of Catholics from Mexico and other nations, due South of it, U.S. sovereignty be damned.
Ily says
Cardinal McCarrick should see his priest and confess his sin of Blasphemy he committed, for the sake of his soul.
Ily says
With “Mea Culpa” declared publicly, which he owes to be complete!
Khir Johari Mohd Ali says
Sholom,
The best way to understand any religion or philosophy is to understand the language whereby the religion is being born. Especially if the language of the religion is a foreign language or is not your mother’s tongue. This goes for Islam or any other religion which still has their original text in the language its being revealed. Besides that, we need also to understand the culture and the history during that particular time. Furthermore, we need also to have the knowledge why the texts or ayat, or the chapters or surah were being revealed. Besides trying to interprate and understand a certain text or surah, we must also try to understanding the ‘context’ ( the text prior to the text and the text following the text), if not we will be taking the text out of context. For sure the best way is to read the whole book with in its original language. However, if we are illiterate to the language of that particular holy book, we can still read the best translation available. Off course this will not be the best method because whenever we try to translate a certain language to another language, certain words will loose its meaning or will have different meaning due to the lack of vocabularies. Misunderstanding not only occurs to the outsiders who are trying to understand certain texts of that particular holy book, but it also occurs to the followers of that religion, whether they are literate or illiterate to the language of that holy book. Same goes to me whereby English is a foreign language to me. Forgive me if you readers find its hard to understand my writing. Sholom.
CGW says
Here’s an answer to your entire post. Since you’re not a native English speaker, you may want to look it up:
BULLSHIT
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Thank you for your concise response here. Yes, going through translation results in idioms, we all know that. But those are adjusted for by the translator. Many translations have been delivered by Moslems past and present of the Holy Ko-Ran, the Hah-Deaths and the sacralized histories. There diverge little. And, although Moslems and their socialist allies complain constantly that the Ko-Ran must be read in Arabic to be understood, no convincing evidence of that has ever been offered. Also, the same would go for the Bible, the Gita, the Avesta and all the others. Plus, all ancient texts are translated from the version of language it was originally written to the contemporary.
Spencer knows Arabic. Is he a liar?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
However, the Holy Ko-Ran *is* being rewritten of late. These new editions in Western languages swap in neutral words to replace those used by the Holy Prophet, the Archangel Gabriel, and even God Himself, Allah.
This emerging class of sanitized Infidel-friendly Holy Ko-Rans *do* require a knowledge or Arabic to understand what’s really true. We need a MEMRI-style organization to delouse these new Ko-Rans for the unsuspecting Infidel public, and the sneaking dumbass news entertainers who seized on the sanitized books to hoodwink their audience and satisfy themselves.
Jay Boo says
Muslims take verses out of context after every terrorist attack.
David Wood on Boston attack
CDN highlander says
Easy for the aged clergyman to say, he’s at the end of the road soon.
It’s people my age and their families who will have to clean up this garbage.
Damn political correctness and limousine liberals are the reason this has not been nipped in the bud as soon as it started.
Louise from Canada says
Ignorant! Ignorant ! I get so offended when I hear a Catholic priest say things that hurts the Sacred Heart of Jesus. I will not want to be in his shoes when he dies. The priest is not there to please muslims but to speak and teach THE GOSPEL.
bobm says
They have not let down their flock; THEIR flock is the MACHINE that empowers them.. The MACHINE that in FACT has little if anything to do with the Shepherd….LOVE ..is NO MACHINE.
EvaGirl says
I have a few questions. Does the upper echelon of the Catholic church suffer from ignorance or just senility? How could anyone read the Koran and not understand what it says? How do you read a book that starts out with hearts and roses and ends with striking their necks and not get the picture? If you attempt to put the Koran in a chronological order it becomes pretty obvious where things started to go down hill for anyone who would disagree with the author.
Edward says
Catholic Cardinal McCarrick embraces Islam
McCarrick is wrong to say “that Islam teaches the dignity of every human person,“ Spencer said. “Actually it teaches a sharp dichotomy between the Muslims, [who are called] ‘the best of people’ (Quran 3:110) and the unbelievers [are called] ‘the most vile of created beings,’” (Quran 98:6) Spencer told The DC.
Islam’s Creation Account
The“despicable” water that created the 1st ancestor of his present progeny.
Another context in which Allah mentions the creation of man, is how he originates from a “lowly” water viz. human semen. Whilst the first human being was created and fashioned from dust, his progeny continued on earth via this water: أَلَمْ نَخْلُقكُّم مِّن مَّاء مَّهِينٍ
“Have We not created you from a fluid (held) despicable?” [Quran 77:20]
Question: Did the progeny of the 1st ancestor that has continued on earth via this water was ever or is being spiritually purified (to rid that despicable state) to qualify to be the ‘the best of people’? I read that bodily hygiene is part of physical purification but, is there a ritual to cleanse their souls in Islam? I’d like to ask [The Catholic Cardinal] McCarrik that question!
Especially, for a Jihadi who spent its day killing the so called “unbelievers’ as Allah commanded (“and slay them wherever ye find them”Quran 4:89)!
“that Islam teaches the dignity of every [bona fide] human person” – McCarrik
A thought about us the “unbelievers”(Quran 98:6)…being ‘the most vile of created beings’ on my next post.
Reference source: http://muslimmatters.org/2012/02/03/the-creation-of-man-as-mentioned-in-the-quran/
RichardL says
as a Catholic this makes me want to throw up. But there are actually a lot of other voices. Here is one for those of you who can read German. Martin Rhonheimer is a Catholic priest and professor of philosophy at political theory at a papal university in Rome. The NZZ is one of the best newspapers in Europe and the article made a big splash last week.
http://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/toeten-im-namen-allahs-1.18378020
Semeru says
Well what can one expect
Here is an extract from the Nostra Aetate the Declaration on the Relation of the Church with Non-Christian Religions of the Second Vatican Council. Passed by a vote of 2,221 to 88 of the assembled bishops, this declaration was promulgated on October 28, 1965, by Pope Paul VI
” The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.”
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
Neil Jennison says
Vatican ii has a lot to answer for – not least the decimation of the Church.
But I am all for forgiving (but learning from) the past and for better understanding of Islam. I want everyone to understand what Islam teaches.
The beheading of unbelievers if they refuse to live as second class citizens and pay an extortion racket tax. I wish people would understand that Muslims believe it is right to lie to unbelievers if it helps them spread their faith.
I wish our Catholic Bishops had a better understanding of Islam.
Jerry says
Does not sound Catholic to me.
That Cardinal is clearly Shite.
Steve K says
Re: the Cardinal: Stupid does as stupid is.
sidney penny says
He is not a politician.
He does not need to say all those things.
john says
Catholic Cardinal Theodore McCarrick : Is retired and an old man. 84 The heading of this article is false and the picture looks fake as well… I bet the Muslims promised him they would spare People is he said this… Seems like this page is quick to BS people for Islam…
andy says
Are you blind and deaf, Mr Cardinal ?
herbert says
Hey muslims!
This cardilal is mocking islam! Behead him, peace upon him WILL BE!
Dennis Trisker says
Well said by this cardinal. Of course he likes Islam. It is true that there are foundational similarities between Catholicism and Islam. Both have killed millions of Jews, heretics, free thinkers than any other religion. TheChurch’s history is soaked in blood. No wonder he likes Islam….birds of a feather…
Jack Gordon says
You’re almost as stupid and ignorant as McCarrick. In fact, you may even be more stupid and ignorant, if that’s possible.
thomas_h says
“In fact, you may even be more stupid and ignorant, if that’s possible.”
He’s just proved it is.
Champ says
“In fact, you may even be more stupid and ignorant, if that’s possible.”
He’s just proved it is.
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Ditto! Jack Gordon is right!
Paul says
Nice ad hominem attack, Jack.
It’s by the way that a doctor of the Church, Thomas Aquinas, prescribed extermination for heretics who refuse to abandon their heresy. The big bad heretic is to be handed over to secular authority for the dirty deed. (Aquinas’ words are quoted in the 2nd ed. of Bettenson’s Documents of the Christian Chruch.) Bear in mind this involvement of government whenever you hear one of the RCC’s apologists talk about separation of church and state.
Oh, and every Abrahamic religion espouses a doctrine of the supremacy of the will. Little do they have to say about their gods’ wills being limited by any immutable, impersonable law of existence which can’t be altered by divine will. Neither explains how the god’s will could be manifest without such a law.
Jack Gordon says
“Neither explains how the god’s will could be manifest without such a law.” Rest assured that you will discover how some day.
JIMJFOX says
Absolutely true. That ‘christians’ here have no answer except ‘ad homs’ speaks volumes about their capacity for rational argument.
Although Islam leads the Championship of Religious Murder, other religions have questions to answer. Strange how ‘merciful God’ has at various times advocated and condoned mass murder in his name….
Mo says
@ JIMJFOX
“Although Islam leads the Championship of Religious Murder, other religions have questions to answer. Strange how ‘merciful God’ has at various times advocated and condoned mass murder in his name….”
Nonsense. The Bible has zero open-ended commands for either Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers or anyone else. That is why there are no Jews or Christians committing such acts, on a regular basis, all over the world, in obedience to those commands.
Now, how about that ISLAM?
David Olds says
For centuries the Catholic Church left Christ and bloodshed followed. When a Moslem follows Mohammed and his teachings bloodshed follows..
To qualify as a Christian you must take up your cross and follow Jesus. Self-sacrifice.
Muslims sacrifice everyone not a Muslim for their “god”.
TH says
Your comment expresses much hatred and ignorance regarding the Catholic Church. It is reasonably calculated that islamic jihad has killed some 270 million victims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindues, African animists etc. Are your trying to say that the Catholic Church killed more. You obvioulsy know nothing about the Inquisition. If you want to oppose jihad, arm yourself with the truth. The fact is that the religious wars in Europe of the 16th and 17th centuries were all started by the Protestants. Calvin created a theocracy in Geneva. His followers began the religious war in what is now Holland by burning 80 Catholic Churches. History is about facts, not wild and baseless affirmations. Only armed with the truth can anyone oppose a false religion based on lies such as Islam. By attacking the Catholic Church you are shooting yourself in the foot if you want to oppose Islam.
Di you know that Pope St. Pius V was very active in the defeat of the Turks at the Bttle of Leptanto in 1571? Did you know that without the active diplomatic efforts of Pope Innocent XI the Polish army under the leadership of King Jan Sobieski would never have gotten to Vienna to rout the Turks on Septemebr 11, 1683? . If they had taken Vienna, they would have had the whole of Central Europe at their feet? Of course the Protestant King of Prussia did nothing on that occasion, nor did the Sun KIng of France, Louis XVI. These are facts not fantasy.
As for the above mentioned Cardinal, obviously he is wong and also ignorant of what he is talking about. One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
Jack Gordon says
Thank you for tossing a little reason, common sense, and real history into the vast lake of ignorance and prejudice evidenced by Olds’ comment and that of one or two others here.
Dan says
Alright.
Give us the source of Catholics killing millions of Jews.
And forget “Hitler’s Pope” by Cornwell. He’s been been debunked a long time ago.
Read Michael Coren’s material, and Ion Pacepa’s book, “Disinfromation.”
And please stop quoting liberal, or Islamic talking points.
Nobody’s drinking the koolaide anymore.
Oliver says
Mr. Trisker,
YOU ARE CORRECT,
Seems Mr. Gordon has forgotten The Spanish Inquisition; the Spanish conquisadors who (in South America) murdered thousands of Indians; (and Wellington disagreed with me on parts of thsi) but after WW2–THE vATICAN HELPED LEADING NAZIS (INCLUDING EICHAMNN, MENGELE, AND OTHERS) get to (drum roll) CATHOLIC COUNTRIES IN SOUTH AMERICA.
Jack Gordon says
I know about all this, Ollie, but I clearly know more about it than you do. Your brain is a hopelessly mixed soup of mistaken notions, bad history, and blind prejudice. It’s curious to see your breathless presentation of this mess, as if you were the first in the world to utter such nonsense.
Eddie De la Houssaye says
You are one stupid M.F if it weren’t for the Catholic Church we would have been over run bye these savages century’s ago they have fought for thousands of years against the filth of Islam.
Lion Rampant says
Well a few things have happened since Christendom, oh the Enlightenment,
The Industrial Revolution and the Secular Nations-State; institutions , by the way
which have modified and circumscribed the role of religion in civilised societies.
Some other, though not all, societies have a lot of growing up to do.
Cindy Mccoy says
This guy has lost his mind!!! Where is he getting his info from, not the Bible like me. He is talking crap to the people, is he afraid??? Does he not trust in the God of the Bible, the One True God??? Does he not know that Almighty God is all-powerful!!!! No god is as strong and powerful as our God, so there is no one to fear. All they can do is kill the body but our God can save the soul from hell. No other god can do that!!!! None!!!!
Get a backbone cardinal, and read up on the enemy!!!! They hate you sir, and is they didn’t want to use you for propaganda, they would kill you if they could get away with it here in the open.
Neil Jennison says
He is an elderly Catholic Bishop who would have been a young priest during the liberal, protestant indoctrination of Vatican ii.
God was removed from our Altars, and the Priests turned their backs (literally) on God. The Sacrifice of the Mass became a celebration of the community of mankind in a shared meal.
He is, to use an old fashioned word, a heretic.
Baheg says
Right on target. These various terrorist Islamic organizations including ISIS are not operating in a vacuum, they get their teaching and ideology from the Koran and Hadith which is: “A narrative record of the saying of Muhammad and his companions.” MS Word Dictionary. Steal, kill and destroy that is their mission.
Uncle Vladdi says
Czardinal McCrackhead makes quite a few foundational errors.
Re:
“Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all three Abrahamic religions.
The deity in question is essentially the same.”
Muhammad’s dad was the pagan high priest of their “king of the gods” idol, hu-baal-ah (hence their surname, abd-ullah). When Moe finally managed to destroy the other 359 gods of the kaaba in Mecca, only the stool-shaped “god” he re-named “allah” was allowed to remain and be venerated. Moe had learned of the Judeo-Christian God from local Jewish and Christian Arab tribes, he did not inherit the tradition himself, but appropriated it in his scornful, twisted, and hatefully-re-written Qur’an.
The Qur’an resembles the Bibles in the same way puerile “fan fiction” might resemble the original author’s stories – it uses a lot of the same characters’ names, but assigns vastly different stories and commentary to their lives.
In fact, it’s more accurate to say the Qur’an is an unfavourable critique of the Bibles’ many diverse stories (which were written over millenniae by many different people, and from many diverse points of view), as written by only one man – and that one man was Adolf Hitler.
Muslims are indoctrinated from birth to believe in “allah” the alleged book of which specifically tells them they are so superior to all non-muslim humans that it’s not only their right, but also their duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-muslims in the world for it.
Islam very clearly and specifically sentences all the non-muslims in the entire world to “Death By Muslim!” for our “crime” of not being muslim.
The Bibles do not in any way advocate for eternal global genocide, but the Qur’an very specifically and repetitively does.
Islam has always been an offensive crime-creed or gang of holy mobsters; it was never a defensive or moral project in any way: from the very first, when Muhammad ordered his fellow Meccans to destroy their idols, of he would “bring them slaughter!” for not worshipping his idol alone.
Islam has always been ONLY an extortion-racket crime-syndicate, an idolatrous alibi-excuse which blames “god” for its members’ own criminal desires.
TA Ray says
I knew Theodore McCarrick’s family when I was young. His nephew – a NYC firefighter – was killed on 9/11 at the WTC.
Sad irony…
semo says
is it fucker verses of quran or not
Here you find the truth picture of Islam
This is the love and the liberality in the really islam
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Al-baqarah 191
And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression
Al-baqarah 193
Fighting is prescribed upon you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
Al-baqarah 216
Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah heareth and knoweth all things
Al-baqarah 244
Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter, To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah – whether he is slain or gets victory – soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
An-nisaa 74
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.
An-nisaa 76
Then fight in Allah’s cause – thou art held responsible only for thyself – and rouse the Believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment
An-nisaa 84
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.
Al-nisaa 89
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
Al-maidah 33
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them.”
Al-anfal 12
It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
Al-anfal 17
And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
Al-anfal 39
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the Cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
Al-anfal 60
O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
Al-anfal 65
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Al-Touba 5
But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith, fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.
Al-Touba 12
Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
Al-Touba 14
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Al-Touba 29
The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year), so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred: that is the straight usage. So wrong not yourselves therein, and fight the Pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.
Al-Touba 36
O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.
Al-Touba 73
Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.
Muhammad 4
Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds.
Mohammad 35
andrea_erickson says
I’m ashamed of you, Robert Spencer! You should know better than to cite such garbage as the Daily Caller- a tabloid that got its information about the Catholic Cardinal from a Sedevancatist website called tradito.com. FYI: Sedevancatists are not in communion with Rome. According to Sedes, the Chair of Peter is EMPTY and their is no valid Pope. It was deliberately misleading of you: you should have done your research. While I like Jihad Watch and the work that you do, I will always call out your poor treatment of the Catholic Church. It’s true that there are Cardinals and others within the Church who have a poor knowledge of the true nature of Islam, but they are human too and make mistakes like us. We Catholics have a duty to pray for priests (and a Cardinal is first and foremost a priest) who, like St. Faustina’s prayer: “Lord, give us holy Priests; You yourself maintain them in holiness. O Divine and Great High Priest, may the power of Your mercy accompany them everywhere and protect them from the devil’s traps and snares which are continually being set for the soul of Priests. May the power of Your mercy, O Lord, shatter and bring to naught all that might tarnish the sanctity of Priests, for You can do all things.” -St. Faustina diary #1052 As it was once said: “No priest, no Eucharist. No Eucharist, No Jesus Christ.”
Neil Jennison says
Are you saying that the Cardinal didn’t say these things? Or are you shooting the messenger?
Angemon says
andrea_erickson posted:
“I’m ashamed of you, Robert Spencer! You should know better than to cite such garbage as the Daily Caller- a tabloid that got its information about the Catholic Cardinal from a Sedevancatist website called tradito.com”
Whether DC is a tabloid or not is irrelevant to what McCarrick said – either he said it or not, and you don’t have a case for the “not”. As for the alleged tradito.com connection, there’s no mention of it on the DC article.
Also, as far as I know, RS is a Catholic himself – why you accuse him of treating the RCC poorly? Is it because he sometimes criticizes it? That’s the same line of thought that muslims and islamic apologists use to accuse him of “hate speech” or “islamophobia”.
Neil jennison says
Much as I agree with your prayer for Holy and good priests, it would appear the good Lord has different ideas at the moment.
There are some of course, but it is pot luck in a typical British parish.
Jack Gordon says
Andrea: I don’t like sedevacantist nonsense anymore than you do. But the source is not in question here, the cardinal’s words are. Simply put, did he or did he not say the things quoted in the article? If he did, he is a blithering idiot, collared or no; if he didn’t the sedevacantists owe him a public apology. (It has always seemed to me that liberals were quick to question the messenger rather than to address the message’s content. It’s called “Shoot The Messenger” and has served the liberals cause very well. THEY only cite the NYT or The Guardian or some other bastion of ”respectable thought”! I am not accusing you of being a liberal — I would never do that to anyone without incontestable evidence pointing to the presence of that mental disease — but no one should use their disreputable rhetorical tools.)
Johnny says
I’m not surprised that McCarrick has said such inanities. It seems to have become the habit in the CC to say such things. Cardinal Dolan said recently: “You love God, we love God, and he is the same God”, quite forgetting that the unipersonal God of Islam is derived from the “‘Allah” of the moon-worshippers of the ancient Middle East, apart from the fact that it is a stark denial of the Christian Trinity. Besides, Pope Francis himself in “Evangelii Gaudium” (No. 252), did quote quite clearly from Nostra Aetate of Vatican ll (No.3) that “We must never forget that “they profess to; hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, who will judge humanity on the last day”, which received a stinging refutation by Samir Khalil Samir SJ a few days later. There’s something fishy going on…….
Neil Jennison says
There has been something fishy going on in the Catholic Church since the disaster of Vatican ii.
Since the election of Pope Francis the smell has got much, much worse.