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Islamic State destroys Armenian Genocide Memorial Church in Syria

Sep 23, 2014 6:03 pm By Robert Spencer

armenian-genocide-memorial-church-in-der-zorWill Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Ahmet Davutoglu send a bouquet of flowers to the caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?

“ISIS Destroys Armenian Genocide Memorial Church in Der Zor,” Armenian Weekly, September 21, 2014:

DER ZOR, Syria (A.W.)—The Islamic State (also known as ISIS) destroyed the Armenian Genocide Memorial Church in Der Zor, Syria—considered the Auschwitz of the Armenian Genocide—news agencies in the Middle East reported.

The reports surfaced as Armenia was celebrating the 23rd anniversary of its independence on Sept. 21.

Armenia’s Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian issued a statement condemning the destruction of the church, which housed the remains of victims of the Armenian Genocide, calling it a “horrible barbarity.”

Nalbandian called on the international community to cut the Islamic State’s sources of supply, support, and financing, and eradicate what it referred to as a disease that “threatened civilized mankind.”

The church was built in 1989-90, and consecrated a year later. A genocide memorial and a museum housing remains of the victims of the genocide was also built in the church compound.

Thousands of Armenians from Syria and neighboring countries gathered at the memorial every year on April 24 to commemorate the genocide.

Hundreds of thousands of Armenians perished in Der Zor and the surrounding desert during the genocide. In the summer of 1916 alone, more than 200,000 Armenians, mostly women and children, were brutally massacred by Ottoman Turkish gendarmes and bands from the region.

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  1. Steakman says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    We are witnessing the Koran in Action folks….the “Religion of Peace” in it’s unabashed entireity.

    Islam brings absolutely NOTHING positive to the greater planet….it does however create a place where psychopathic deviant sub-human savages reign supreme. It does however bring destruction, it does bring racism, it does bring persection, it does bring female degredation and genital mutilation and int eh end … finally it brings death via EVIL writ large.

    A Death Cult that has deified a psychotic Pedophilic savage butcher and preaches nothing short of NAZIISM.

    I find it interesting that in November of 1941 the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem visited with Adolf Hitler. One can safely bet that the discussions were not on the latest rendition of the VW micro bus or Lowenbrau Beer.

    As for what has happened to this chruch, I have a difficult time to understand this type of mentality…but I damn well garantee that when I meet it face to face….I will remain standing (and likely be changing a mag at the same time.)

    Stk
    Calgary, Alberta

    • Bettina says

      Sep 23, 2014 at 6:27 pm

      Well, I guess if these sadistic butchers can burn down mosques, Shiite and whatever else, equal opportunity mandates that they do the same with any church they encounter, right?
      And all the more glory to them if that compound should also serve to commemorate a genocide by muslims, no?
      All traces of a genocidal past can be expunged, so as to make room for the current ones…

    • Vivienne Leijonhufvud (goldie) says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 8:12 am

      I find the most appalling thing of all is how Obama is announcing a PAN Arabic joint venture to deal with ISIS which includes Erdogan’s Turkey. These muslims including Obama are simply paying lip service to the problems and genocide Islam is causing world wide. I hope and pray on this day of the Jewish New Year 5775 that among the military leaders of the west there will be one with the initiative to not only knock out ISIS but Islam all together. Either Muslims re-write their damnable Koran or Islam is classified as a non religion and a cult of violence.

  2. Bettina says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    Off-topic: Babs, where are you? I managed to lose the title of the book you referenced to me, and can’t locate it now! Help?

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 2:00 pm

      Google Advanced feature is great —

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/uk-muslim-leader-maajid-nawaz-isis-style-slavery-beheading-lashing-amputation-are-in-the-quran-and-must-be-rejected/comment-page-1#comment-1122820

  3. David, Thailand says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this was part of the agreement with Erdogan.

    • mortimer says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 12:39 am

      Many Turks including Erdogan will be pleased. But Turkish guilt is not absolved. To the contrary…it is greater if they say nothing.

  4. yohanan says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Hitler, “Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?” (“Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?”) – August 22, 1939
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obersalzberg_Speech

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 23, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      Very important quote here, yohanan.

  5. jewdog says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Turkey does not acknowledge the Armenian genocide, just as Iran does not acknowledge the Jewish genocide. Infidels don’t deserve to have their genocides recognized since that would imply that killing them is wrong.

    • Charli Main says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 5:45 am

      Genocide is not a crime in Islam. It is a religious requirement for all good Muslims.

  6. gravenimage says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Islamic State destroys Armenian Genocide Memorial Church in Syria
    ………………………….

    And why not?

    What we are seeing in Syria, Iraq, and the Islamic State today is a resumption of that genocide.

    While the Armenian Christians were the main victims, the genocide also targeted Assyrian, Greek, Levantine and Bulgarian Christians, as well as Jews—really, *all* non-Muslims in what was then the Ottoman Empire and its successors.

    The violence never really disappeared completely—there was a pogrom against Greek Christians in Istanbul in the 1950s.

    But now genocide is fully resurgent as Muslims in Mesopotamia and the Levant are more and more emboldened.

    And part of genocide for pious Muslims has always been not just wiping out Infidels but also any commemoration of that genocide, deeming it so much Jahillya—hence the destruction of this memorial church.

    Islam seeks not just to wipe out Infidels—but to wipe out the memory that anything other than barbaric Islam ever existed. *Ugh*.

  7. Wellington says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Genocide and Islam. Perfect together.

    • Rob says

      Sep 23, 2014 at 9:50 pm

      Yes, Wellington! And here’s another: Clear seeing and hatred of islam. Perfect together!

  8. Basil the Hammer says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    During these genocides by the wretched Turks the good ol USA was buying their oil and tobacco. Our government didn’t even send aid to the Christians who escaped, it was our YMCA that did the most for these starving families. It was the dollar then and it’s the Saudi dollar now. The politicians that created ISIL (McCain, Grahm, Bush Family and our wonderful Sunni Prez) should be blind folded and shot.

    • UneasyOne says

      Sep 23, 2014 at 10:06 pm

      Obama is christian. that doesn’t mean he isn’t an idiot for calling islam a religion of peace.

      Look, we – the right and the left – need desperately to unite against our common enemy, islam.

      As long as we are dependent on middle eastern oil, our politicians are going to prostrate themselves before anybody that has it for sale. If we want to defeat this barbaric political system masquerading as a religion, we need to pour our resources into solar, wind, tidal, geothermal – gaining true independence from that oil for all time. When our money is out of the picture, these countries will descend back into the barbaric ignorance from which we dragged them.

      With their hatred of education, they will doom themselves if we give them half a chance.

      • Basil the Hammer says

        Sep 23, 2014 at 10:32 pm

        I do like your logic UneasyOne. We are almost oil independent now but we will forever be involved in the movement of oil throughout the world. The House of Saud has now infused itself into our politics, education system, banking system etc. They even offered to pay our government to use our own military as mercenaries to kill off their Shiite rivals in Syria. This would have happened but there was a grassroots uproar that made the administration think twice.
        Islam is a parasite that needs to conquer and feed from other civilizations which it then destroys. You are so correct when you said it would wither and die on it’s own. The hard part is isolating it from the civilized world.

        • UneasyOne says

          Sep 23, 2014 at 11:33 pm

          Look at their societies. All they have built is largely done with our money and engineering. When the money dries up, they will produce nothing but goatherds.

          We may need a constitutional amendment declaring that any political system masquerading as a religion is not a religion, nor is it entitled to the constitutional protections afforded to religions in our democracy.

          The goal of islam is to acquire political power by any means necessary and establish sharia law. This is part and parcel of rule by a caliph or ayatollah. Since the intent of the “religion” is to supplant and replace constitutional government, it is a treasonous political system and should be banned.

          Yes, there are “good muslims” that don’t blow things up, but they are part of the network that breeds and feeds young jehadis. “Good” muslims are just as or even more dangerous than the “bad” ones.

        • Basil the Hammer says

          Sep 24, 2014 at 12:03 am

          UneasyOne I wish you were running our State Department! You are totally on the right track about Islam being a political entity. It needs to be downscaled as a cult without any of the government subsidies or protection that would cover a religion. It can then be legally removed from any influence in government and society.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 24, 2014 at 2:10 pm

          We may need a constitutional amendment declaring that any political system masquerading as a religion is not a religion, nor is it entitled to the constitutional protections afforded to religions in our democracy.

          I don’t see why there’s any need for that. With regard to an entity which is

          1) already waging war on us and through that war

          2) has already attacked us,

          3) has killed our people by the thousands,

          4) has engaged in multiple attacks since then,

          5) has plotted multiple terror attacks,

          6) and plans horrific attacks in the unknown future

          — there is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting Congress from declaring war on it just because it happens to be deemed “a religion”.

    • Wellington says

      Sep 23, 2014 at 10:37 pm

      The Armenian genocide was begun by the Turks in April of 1915, two years before America came into the war. The genocide continued for years but I don’t know how much the Wilson Administration would have known about this genocide before America entered the war in April of 1917. After America came into the war, any business with the decrepit, almost dead Ottoman Empire would have ceased. So, I don’t know how much blame can rightly be placed on America here. I would say little to none.

      As for American elites creating ISIL, this is a stretch to say the least. The Assad regime (father then son) has been ruling Syria brutally since 1970 and consequently making many enemies. Asserting that ISIL is a creation of America strikes me as the kind of statement that comes from someone who belongs to the kick-America-first school of thinking. Chief fault for ISIL’s existence must rest with the desultory and despotic Islamic world which has spawned psychopaths and killing organizations aplenty for a very, very long time now. One knows this or should know it.

      • Basil the Hammer says

        Sep 23, 2014 at 11:12 pm

        You are correct Wellington about the Assad family but what government could function with the many minorities in Syria? The Arab Spring in Syria was only an attempt by Sunni Muslims to bring Sharia law to the population. If they had succeeded there would have been death throughout the country many times worse then what’s occurring now with ISIL. It was a civil war that we had no business getting involved with. We supplied to the Sunni rebels with weapons, money, transportation, and the threat of US air strikes on the Assad government. This allowed the cancer of ISIL to form and now they are turning on us.

        • Salah says

          Sep 23, 2014 at 11:35 pm

          “This allowed the cancer of ISIL to form and now they are turning on us.”

          I’m glad someone agrees that the US has a lot to do with the creation (or let’s say *flourishing*) of ISIL.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-is-behind-islamic-state/comment-page-1#comment-1122964

        • Wellington says

          Sep 24, 2014 at 12:07 am

          I agree that as bad as the Assad regime is, it is still preferable to its opposition since authoritarian secular rule in Islamic lands, awful as it might be, is virtually never as bad as zealous Islamic rule, nor is it nearly as much of a threat to the West. I also agree that the US should have just stayed out of this Syrian Civil War, though I would contend that the amount of ill-advised aid we gave to the rebels did not make the difference respecting the creation and existence of ISIL. If America had just remained completely neutral from the beginning of this (yet again) Muslim slaughtering Muslim stuff, all other things being the same, I highly doubt that ISIL would now be non-existent.

        • Basil the Hammer says

          Sep 24, 2014 at 12:16 am

          Assad would have crushed the Sunni uprising which would have kept Turkey somewhat neutral. When we became involved , the Turks, Quataries, and Saudis smelled blood in the water and threw in their support with money, arms, and jihadis.

        • Wellington says

          Sep 24, 2014 at 1:14 pm

          We must agree, Basil the Hammer, to continue to disagree on how important America’s role was in the formation of ISIS. You say a great deal. I say it’s marginal to moderate.

          You are aware, of course, that ISIS has a great deal of weaponry that is not American made. Among such weaponry are the Soviet T-55 and T-72 tanks, the M79 Osa rocket launchers which are Croatian in origin and provided to ISIS by way of Saudi Arabia. Ditto for the Croatian RBG-6 grenade launchers. There is also the 59-1 field gun which is of Chinese origin. And so on.

          My bottom line: ISIS would have come into existence irrespective of any American position taken. Your turn if you so choose.

        • Basil the Hammer says

          Sep 24, 2014 at 7:07 pm

          Wellington it’s a fact that our Air Force transported battle trained jihadis from Libya to Syria at the start of the uprisings in Baghdad. We gave them money and weapons on a limited basis. They had the finest British made sniper rifles and yes our CIA will purchase any weapon system no matter where it’s made to supply our so called allies. The Russian tanks were taken from armories of sacked Syrian cities. The best main battle tanks that the Russians make are being knocked out by USA supplied shoulder held anti tank weapons. I won’t respond anymore because you could be correct also, and only time will give us the truth. We both have the same common goal though. Thanks.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 24, 2014 at 2:21 pm

          Not only should we have backed the evil Assad to the hilt, we should have backed Mubarak and Qaddafi. We also should have done a surgical assassination of Saddam and key cronies of his then used Israeli intelligence to tell our C.U.A. (Central Unintelligent Agency) which Iraqis to pick to force the Iraqis to pick as their new Dictator. I.e., the aforementioned would be a geopolitics of Realislamik.

          But, alas, the Jinni is out of the bottle, and the West helped break that bottle to let it out.

      • UneasyOne says

        Sep 23, 2014 at 11:50 pm

        Remember the “Sunni awakening?”

        What do you think all those Sunnis did with their arms, training and newfound unity when we left Iraq? IS is the result of many incredibly stupid foreign policy decisions of the Bush administration. I am NOT claiming they did it on purpose, but there it is, using American technology and the training provided by the Bushies.

        Look, Obama unintentionally created another islamic hellhole in Libya when he liberated them from their dictator. I am not saying all the fault is on the right. Majority muslim countries are gonna wind up with dictators who are gonna be brutal and favor their own sect. That’s just the way it is. Give them true democracy and all that will change is which group(s) are persecuted.

      • Brian Hoff says

        Sep 24, 2014 at 4:49 pm

        The funny thing is that the New York Time report this in 1915 by saying they reporter where there than out right lie The Ottoman Empire allow no reporter of any type in the war zone travel to the war zone wasnot allow with out special papers tight enfore by the military. No message or people where allow to leave the area at all once you where there.

      • Mideast Pete says

        Sep 25, 2014 at 1:23 am

        You say the Assad regime was brutal. In what way was it more brutal than any of that any of the Gulf regimes who are of course or allies. Syria was tolerant of all religions. I lived in Deir ez Zor for 4 years and visited the beautiful Armenian memorial church several times. It was a moving experience seeing all the photographs and bones of the victims in the underground museum. I cry for what is happening to all my friends in Syria. Why are the US and UK governments supporting the destruction of a wonderful tolerant people just to satisfy the blood lust of the intolerant Saudi Wahabi regime.

        • Wellington says

          Sep 25, 2014 at 12:34 pm

          The Assad regime, Mideast Pete, is brutal but nowhere did I say it is more brutal than many other Islamic regimes. I fully acknowledge that Christians and other minorities are almost certainly better off under brutal secular regimes in the Islamic world than under regimes run by Islamic zealots. As for the main reason why the US has been hostile to the Assad regime, while not hostile to certain other authoritarian Islamic regimes, it is clearly because the Assad regime is aligned with Iran. A very important second reason is rooted in economics——the West needs Saudi Arabian oil (too bad it does but it still does) while there is really nothing Syria has that the West needs or wants.

          It’s all part of Realpolitik. Nothing complicated here. And for the record, at no time have I supported supporting the enemies of Assad. When the fighting first broke out I thought then, as I do now, we should have just stood back and done nothing. My only major point that differs with many on this thread is how responsible America has been for the creation of ISIS. I say not much. Others maintain it has been a sine qua non.

  9. David says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    The Islamic State teaches that the Armenian genocide was a glorious moment in Islamic history.

  10. fair_dinkum says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    looks like turkey could go either way

  11. Basil the Hammer says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    Christy you are either a fool or never cracked open a book! Christians at most make up 8% of the people in the Middle East, they were at one time over 85%. The peace loving and “democratic” Turks alone are responsible for murdering over 2,500,000 Christians in less then ten years in the early 1900’s. By the way Christy, I haven’t seen any Jews cutting the throats of any Christians lately. I’m agnostic but I hate Muslims.

  12. Beagle says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    Sunni jihadis like the Islamic State have displaced and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Christians just in the last couple years, openly advocating genocide, committing atrocities on an industrial scale, and you are calling us “idiots”?

    Read some news. How embarassing for you.

  13. Beagle says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    OT:
    I think we were conned today by Obama.

    Obama finally launches airstrikes on IS months late, having allowed them to conquer territory from Turkey to Baghdad. Usually I would be tempted to give him credit for eventually acting.

    But dig deeper and it falls apart. This strike was messaging, not a military success, excluding nobody died executing it.

    The strike came at night. Nobody important was in the buildings in all liklihood. This is no small thing. IS has many other captured buildings to replace the ones destroyed. Only killing jihadis matters, and it is unlikely other than a few guards died.

    The major knocks on Obama, aside from inaction, was lacking strategy, toughness, and allies. Striking the empty buildings was a military photo op to show Sunni allied support.

    Saudis fly one airstrike of four F-15s and bomb a few empty buildings which is spun by the entire mainstream media as a diplomatic coup for Obama. It is further spun as proof Saudi Arabia will oppose fellow Sunni IS.

    Most news consumers are casual at best. Despite inspiring and educating groups like IS for years with billions of dollars, one pointless airstrike has helped undo what little people understood correctly about the Saudis and the other Gulf Arab supporters of Sunni jihadis like IS. Leftists are touting this strike like the US and allies hitting the D-Day beaches together.

    Will the Saudis fly any missions against actual Sunni human targets in the future? Nobody is saying, but I suspect this is a one and done purely for PR. It appears to have worked.

    • Beagle says

      Sep 23, 2014 at 11:44 pm

      Forgot to add, the strike was a show of apparent toughness without killing jihadis. The F-22 first use story was intended for military wonks like myself. There was no particular reason to use it with Syrian AA standing down and no opposing fighters.

      But here again, it generates a good news story for Obama to counter a criticism and create a perception of hitting hard.

      What now? Obama has given up the element of surprise a couple times without doing significant damage to IS forces. From here on out IS will be using baby armor like HAMAS. How will airstrikes be successful going forward without troops on the ground?

    • Beagle says

      Sep 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm

      was/were

      One of those. Doh.

    • Salah says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 12:00 am

      “Striking the empty buildings was a military photo op to show Sunni allied support. ”

      Are you saying that Obama DOES NOT want to annihilate ISIL? If so, why?
      Could it be that he doesn’t want to annihilate…an ally???

      Remember your reply to my comment here?:
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-is-behind-islamic-state/comment-page-1#comment-1122976

      • Beagle says

        Sep 24, 2014 at 7:40 am

        Got me there.

  14. Western Canadian says

    Sep 23, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    Look, you ignorant (at best) jerk: islam (RTC) is genocidal because their unholy books, the vile koran, and the rest of their collection of crimes against humanity, TEACHES THEM TO BE THAT WAY. SIMPLE, ISN’T IT??

    You must be trying very, very hard to be so ignorant… or you are a muslim, lying through your teeth. No third option.

  15. Wellington says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 12:12 am

    What planet are you from, Christy?

  16. duh_swami says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 3:16 am

    Have any of you idiots on here ever bothered…

    You lose, now get lost…

  17. duh_swami says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 3:21 am

    You should take a hike loser…

  18. Huck Folder says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 3:47 am

    Hey FATSO, get back to unmanaging New Jersey.

  19. duh_swami says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 3:50 am

    The Turks must have forgotten what Islam did to them when
    when Allah took Constantinople in the 1300’s.

  20. UneasyOne says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 3:50 am

    Did you know, Christy, that there are muslim citizens in Israel who vote and hold elective office? Did you know that there used to be sizable christian populations in towns like Bethlehem, but they have been largely driven out as muslims became the majority in those areas?

    Do you know anything about Lebanon, which used to be a christian country but has become a muslim hellhole since muslims began gaining population? It used to be beautiful, peaceful and rich. Now look at it.

    How many elected Jews or christians are there in muslim countries? I can answer that for you – none.

    Study the history of the area and study the life of the muslim’s “perfect man,” Mohammed. Then you will understand.

    • Charli Main says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 6:02 am

      Muslims and their assorted Western arse kissers conveniently ignore the fact that the WHOLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA WERE CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES BEFORE THEY WERE INVADED BY THE VERMIN FROM MECCA.

  21. Phil says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Wow!!! Proof of the Everett-Wheeler Many-Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics at last! Someone from another timeline has visited us!!! Apparently Jews persecuting Christians is a common occurrence in your reality?

    Over here though, things are a little bit different. Whereas on March 25th of this year, the Holy See expressed “profound concern [that]…the land that was the cradle of Christianity risks ending up without Christians,” referring to the relentless muslim religico-ethnic cleansing of the Christians in the middle-east (which is yet again (!) morphing into open genocide), it also acknowledged that the only place in the entire accursed region where Christian numbers are swelling, where the religion is actually protected, is the nation of Israel. The Christian community in Israel in our reality has doubled over the last 15 years and the Christian diaspora to Israel shows no sign of stopping. Even two inveterate diplomats like Leonardo Cardinal Sandri and Archbishop Antonio Maria had to admit last month that Israel is now the protector of the faithful. I do not (of course) expect too loud a paen of thanks – not when the church is all too aware of the vulnerability of her co-religionists living in Lebanon under the murderous gaze of Hezbollah, but even this admission is something extraordinary over here.

    Seriously….my response to you was and is obscene. Jews persecuting Christians? You think perhaps we focus too much on blaming the muslims? Then again, a recent history replete with the extermination of over 1.1 million Armenians, over 300,000 Assyrian Christians and god-knows-how-many Pontic Greeks and the anti-Greek riots in Turkey in the 1950’s and the creation of a Judenrein middle-east is a teensy bit hard to ignore – even for a raving anti-Semite like yourself!

    Heaven forbid we insult someone’s sense of Türklük, and be so gauche as to remember the massacre at Van! Not to mention the new wave of Jihadist genocidal mania. Or the all-but-institutionalized mistreatment of the Copts in Egypt, the brutalization of the Syriac churches, the mistreatment of the vanishing Chaldeans and other episodes too appalling to mention. When, exactly, did the Jews engage in mass slaughter of Christians in the last, let’s say, 300 years? In our particular foliation of the Multiverse, no such slaughter(s) happened. When did they deprive Christians of their livelihoods (as IS just did this week mis-appropriating Christian businesses)? When did they reduce Christians to third-class citizens (as per the Pact of Omar)? The worst that you can say is some of the ultra-orthodox yeshiva students behave like yahoos to Christians in some districts of Jerusalem. So what? I well remember being called far worse in Arabic as a child, even in Zamalek (still, it’s a great way to learn swear words in Arabic, and as Heinlein himself noted – nothing beats cussing in Arabic).

    Why are there still so many (sic!) Christians in the middle-east? Because (i) they pre-date their Arab muslim conquerors, (ii) imposition of the crushing jizya tax gave muslim polities an incentive to not prosletize the nazrani infidels, (iii) most people (unlike a pampered degenerate Western product of petit-bourgeoise decadence) can’t afford to flee (nor have anywhere to flee to), and (iv) many people still have an atavistic attachment to the land of their birth. Lean some history, sunshine.

    And while the older generation of mid-east Christians are excellent examples of Dhimmitude, their children are ever more openly acknowledging what a debt they owe to the Israelis and are (finally!) joining the IDF in record numbers – this despite the fact they are exempt from any military draft.

    I devoutly hope for your sake you are merely uneducated, and not the rabid anti-semitic subliterate cretin your comment suggests you to be.

  22. John C. Barile says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Occasional acts of widely-deplored vandalism don’t rise to the level of the systematic genocide against Christian in Muslim lands. You are a antisemitic cretin.

  23. Basil the Hammer says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Christy, if you think this is Jewish thuggery and Christians should be worried then you are truly brain dead. I also think the graffiti was done by Muslim rats trying to frame Jews.
    Christy you should join ISIL and work in one of their many brothels and see first hand what they do to captured Christian boys and girls. You could even become a whore for them and find a purpose for your worthless life.

  24. Dave J says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    It is time for the political leaders in the West to stop lying to their citizens about Islam being a “Religion of Peace” and instead call for a global Reformation and a rejection of the violence and intolerance taught in the Quran.

    If the true nature of this ideology was widely exposed then a clear choice would be available for the few actual peace and progress loving Muslims: You are either with us or against us. If you are against us then we have no further tolerance for you.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 2:41 pm

      I see no reason to think Muslims would react in that rosy optimistic way you speculate. We have far more evidence that they would go globally apeshit; and with millions of them already inside the West as a Trojan Camel, that would spell major bouts of civil unrest.

      • Budvarakbar says

        Sep 25, 2014 at 8:34 am

        You say: “and with millions of them already inside the West as a Trojan Camel, that would spell major bouts of civil unrest.”

        So do you advise “the sooner the better” or “wait until it is too late”?

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 25, 2014 at 1:49 pm

          So do you advise “the sooner the better” or “wait until it is too late”?

          It depends on what we do “sooner”. Your proposal would do nothing but anger the Hornet’s Nest inside our House (even if you indulge the dream that Muslims are just like us and would wake up to sensibly abandoning their religion just because we try to persuade them to). The “sooner” action I advise is Operation Bum’s Rush; Operation Show Them the Door; Operation Ta-Ta; Operation Bye-Bye; Operation Your Welcome Wore Out: Operation Don’t Let the Door Hit You Where Allah Shit You; Operation GTFOADCB.

  25. voegelinian says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Well, well, you must be a stranger is these here parts. A Northern city slicker, eh? Evidently you’ve not done your reading of Islamic history, which would have informed you that Islamic regimes have always allowed a certain number of Dhimmis to survive. They haven’t done this because, as Christy assumes precipitously, Islam is somehow not evil or dangerous. This was done primarily for the purpose of parasitically using that population (the Muslims knew enough to surmise that Christians, Jews, Persians and Hindus — all at various times defined as “Peoples of the Book” — were a demographic containing more talent, and thus were used for various purposes needed by the Muslims; not to mention that they provided a valuable source of ongoing extortion (the jizya “tax”). Beyond the parasitical uses for non-Muslim Dhimmis, there were two further uses they provided: one was scripted into their slavish culture which has to follow what Mohammed told them, and enough of his Sayings implied a delimitation of the utter slaughter of the “Peoples of the Book” which Muslims reserved for any and all peoples not put into that category (i.e., all the polytheists Muslims have encountered in their imperialist expansion, including Berbers of North Africa and most of the black Africans they have submitted to cruel slavery and relentless genocide for some 1,200 years, and still going on as we speak now). The other use was to provide a subpopulation of toys for the enjoyment of the natural sadism of Mohammedans. I mean, what’s the point of conquering a people, if you can’t keep a certain number of them alive so you can vent your hatred and frustrations on them at the drop of a keffiyeh or fez, so you can feel the pleasure of forcing them to walk in the gutter while you stride proudly down the street as the “Best of Peoples”, forcing them to ride lowly mules or asses while you, the Muslim, can ride on a comfortable horse, forcing them to behave deferentially in public, averting their eyes, looking down, being ever polite around Muslims who if they are having a bad day can find any slight pretext to beat a Christian or Jew they find in the street…? And so forth. But “Christy” here wouldn’t know any of this.

    • Champ says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 2:55 pm

      Bravo, Voeg!

    • Basil the Hammer says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 6:12 pm

      Thank you Voeg. Your summation of the feckless and wretched nature of Islam is so spot on I printed it for myself. Free people need to separate and isolate Muslims from the civilized world.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 25, 2014 at 12:35 am

        Thanks Champ! And Basil!

  26. voegelinian says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Then go start a new blog called Everything Under the Sun Watch and leave us alone.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      Oh, and be sure to link your readers to And the Kitchen Sink on your blogroll…

  27. Champ says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    “Christy Troll” …get lost, sweetie.

    ✡ WE STAND WITH ISRAEL!!! ✡

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 9:25 pm

      Listen, you haven’t gleaned enough anti-Israel grist from leftist dissident ersatz-Catholic NCR to support your pathetic case for moral equivalence between the persecuted and the persecutors.

      Take your smug moral superiority to perdition with you.

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 9:32 pm

      Forgive my intemperate words. All the same, I question your objectivity at least as much as you would question mine.

  28. SpiritOf1683 says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Get rid of this Christy troll. He’s spamming every thread with his usual repetitive cut and paste drivel. He’s posted the same things on at least two threads, the same junk penned by moral equivalence kooks who wouldn’t go to live in ISIS-controlled lands if they were offered $20 million to do so.

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 24, 2014 at 9:42 pm

      Gee, Christy is spamming every thread? This time it’s a lefty anti-Israel dissident Catholic, last time it was an antisemitic Feeneyite Catholic who insisted salvation is only found in the Church, even though that Church ceased to exist when Vatican II convened. A real paradox, that last one. We sure do get oddballs of every possible description here.

      • John C. Barile says

        Sep 24, 2014 at 9:44 pm

        Myself excepted, of course.

  29. Wellington says

    Sep 24, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    Get lost, Christy. You’re both boring and wrong. I could suffer one or the other, but not both. You’ve managed both. Now go away.

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