Surely Obama, Kerry, Cameron, Abbott, and the rest are on their way over to Syria to find this chap and explain to him how he is misunderstanding Islam.
Video thanks to Paul.
Surely Obama, Kerry, Cameron, Abbott, and the rest are on their way over to Syria to find this chap and explain to him how he is misunderstanding Islam.
Video thanks to Paul.
No Fear says
I invite all muslims to leave Islam.
nan says
but how
fair_dinkum says
Obviously another mis interpreter
Just chack that with Obama, or Cameron.. or Abbott.. the french, the catholic church… various other political stooges, so called academics…
youre letting the rest of us down.
Salah says
Amen to that!
That’s what they did in Egypt. That’s what should be done in the West.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-end-of-muslim-brotherhood.html
voegelinian says
That would be workable, if the only problem were our leaders. In fact, probably most of the people are besotted with PC MC. Don’t tell me your own friends, family and acquaintances are not largely PC MC about this problem.
PRCS says
** “Those found guilty get what they deserve. Massacres committed by the Syrian government are ignored, go but when ISIS massacres the infidels, everybody talks about it.”
I guess he didn’t see all of the news reports covering that.
** “He doesn’t act like an Islamic extremist.”
It’s difficult to understand how otherwise intelligent people can think that following one’s “Holy Book” as close to the letter as possible constitutes “extremism”. Is the amputation of a thief’s hand(s) extremism or compliance.
I have not personally heard anyone using that same illogical thinking refer to Catholic Popes as extremists.
**And then, of course, the interviewer claims that “Syria’s bloody civil war has radicalized him”.
What does it mean to be “radicalized”, and does she ever wonder that herself?
voegelinian says
It’s difficult to understand how otherwise intelligent people can think that following one’s “Holy Book” as close to the letter as possible constitutes “extremism”. Is the amputation of a thief’s hand(s) extremism or compliance.
PRCS must not be aware of a quite common opinion in the West about the phenomenon of “fundies” and so-called “religious extremism”. (Note: I didn’t say this opinion is all that coherent or cogent; only that it is common. Many opinions of dubious merit float about in the cultural ether.)
There is a vague sense, according to this opinion, that Christians who take their Christianity seriously to the letter (and these are almost always presumed to be (and often are) of the Protestant orbit further refined as “evangelical” or “fundie”) are to some extent “extremist”. More broadly, this reflects the awareness that the modern West has undergone profound changes in its religious culture, whereby so much of the West’s traditional religiosity of its former centuries has become radically watered down and put through the complex blender of secularism — such that the majority of Christians seem to be rather “loosey goosey” (relaxed, casual, not so literally serious) about their religion. This vague standard then is superimposed upon the Islam problem, and we tend to construe those Muslims who insist upon a literal comportment as “extremists”, as we semi-consciously connect that with our own Baptist “snake-handlers” and Christians who speak in tongues, etc. There is afoot here a broad-based, semi-coherent assumption that most Muslims must be like us in psychology and culture, and must be following our standard of secularized dilution of Religion; and so, the “true Muslims” are assumed to be as casual and loosey-goosey as our majority Christians, and their culture, like ours, must have only a fringe, a Tiny Minority, of Extremists (never mind that our “extremists” don’t behead or advocate stoning or conduct terror attacks etc., though David Koresh and Timothy McVeigh and “abortion clinic bombers” are eternally erected as reminders of this false equivalency). The notion that the majority (even the vast majority) of Muslims are in fact extremists, that extremism as we define it is the norm in the Muslim world — this notion remains simply unthinkable to most Westerners, who blithely and unthinkingly assume that the standard of humanity is the Homo Occidentalis.
PRCS says
Hesp,
Why do you ASSUME that I must not be familiar with the the term “fundies”?
If you’d like to visit a site where it is used to obvious excess, whenever Islam comes up, try NewsHounds.
My concern remains:
It’s difficult to understand how otherwise intelligent people can think that following one’s “Holy Book” as close to the letter as possible constitutes “extremism”.
I’m perplexed by their credulity.
voegelinian says
PRCS wrote to me:
Why do you ASSUME that I must not be familiar with the the term “fundies”?
But I had written to him:
PRCS must not be aware of a quite common opinion in the West about the phenomenon of “fundies”…
It’s clear from my words (the very words PRCS was responding to) that I wasn’t assuming that PRCS is unfamiliar with the term “fundies” — but rather that he seems unaware of the quite common opinion in the West ABOUT fundies.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“the quite common opinion in the West ABOUT fundies.”
The West is a large place. Since you seem to know about West regards fundies can you break it by country and group? What do people in Italy think of fundies, and what are its main religious fundamentalist groups? Same for Germany, UK, Holland, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg and Malta for starters – what is the opinion in each of those countries regarding fundies and what are their religious fundamentalist groups?
PRCS says
“If you’d like to visit a site where it is used to obvious excess, whenever Islam comes up, try NewsHounds.”
Which would include the common opinion–ad nauseum–about fundies.
Nice try, though.
Kepha says
I am happy to be a Christian extremist. When a Christian goes “extreme”, he gets involved with some charity. When a Muslim goes “extreme”, he wants to kill people. Come to think of it, a Muslim who goes “extreme” is a bit like those who want to “take charge of our own evolution” and are in a hurry about it. I’m old enough to remember revolutionary chic and the wilder expressions of the New Left. It’s all about what kind of religion one gets “extreme” over.
As for a guy like David Koresh, I’m sorry, but those of us who take Jesus’ claims to be God incarnate and God’s last word to man think that anyone else who claims such a thing is a blasphemer whom God will punish severely. The MSM simply doesn’t get it.
Mirren10 says
Excellent point, Kepha, and one which witless moral equivalencers choose to ignore.
How many backsliding Christians, or those who rejected Christianity, and then come back to it, decide the first thing they need to do to show their zeal, is to go out and murder non-Christians ? Why, **none**. Because the tenets of Christianity forbid such a thing.
As you note, it all depends upon what kind of religion one gets extreme over. islam is unmitigated filth, violence, murder and mayhem. Naturally its pious adherents will follow its mandates.
No Fear says
Islam is tribal supremacism for those that are brain dead.
Muslim piety is nauseating.
Jay Boo says
So then, we know that one of these Allah’s Attributes is ‘unknowable’
Let him count his beads to find the answer to Islam’s mystery.
What is Allah’s one hundredth name if it is claimed that,
“There are ninety-nine Attributes, one hundred minus one, of Allah”
100 minus 1 means one name is missing.
Does the spelling in English of missing name begin with an ‘S’ and end with an ‘N’ and have five letters same as Allah?
What could Muhammad’s missing satanic verse book name for Allah be?
nacazo says
Quotes:
“Do you think that those two American journalists deserved to die?
No one gets killed unless they’re guilty. They must had done something wrong. Otherwise, why would they have been beheaded.”
Using that logic, when the Assad government massacres his ISIS buddies, did they deserved to die?
No one gets killed unless they’re guilty. They must had done something wrong. Otherwise, why would they have been massacred.
Something must have been lost in the translation because this sounds to me as circular thinking.
Ha Meshuga says
Hence the role of the iman…..a pied piper leading the blind rats….
Angemon says
“They must have done something wrong, otherwise why would have they been beheaded?”
Circular logic: providing a clear conscience since God knows when.
He should have been asked if he ever decapitated or executed anyone. If so, for what crime.
onisac says
“No one gets killed unless they’re guilty. They must had done something wrong. Otherwise, why would they have been massacred.”
That may be true under the same cultures. But the two cultures, civil and savage are total opposites. The only thing similar is our means of breathing.
Islam’s Sharia Law is lethal to most humans. And would be punishable under a civil society. Sharia Law considers all kafirs profoundly evil adversary’s of Allah, (Islam’s God), Muhammad, and humanity, whom must be killed or become Muslim. So naturally a Muslim would think we (kafir’s) are all evil enemies to Muslims. And nothing we do is ever going to change their hatred for us. “We are wrong for not being Muslim, plain and simple”.
mortimer says
Basically, you are correct. If you are not a Muslim, you do not deserve to live. Paying the extortion tax allows you to continue living while thinking over your option of joining Islam. Most ‘others’ joined Islam from other religions to avoid the systemic discrimination in Islamic societies, rather than from belief in Islam.
NDB says
Leave it to CBS to attempt to humanize this monstrous subhuman species known as Muslims. Here is this beast being interviewed by a Western woman and smoking a cigarette… he should have been beheaded as he left the studio.
Jay Boo says
Small technicality here:
Muslims are actually not of a separate species of subhuman beings.
Calling Muslims a subhuman species allows people at CAIR to make a false claim that all anti-jihad supporters who are disgusted with Islam are simply against Islam based on bigoted racial stereotypes.
Islam is not a race
Islam is a disgrace
voegelinian says
Muslims consider themselves to be something tantamount to a separate species; a conceit as un-biological — yet just as psychological, ideologically and sociologically compelling — as the Nazi theory of a “Master Race”.
voegelinian says
Netanyahu seems to get it:
Netanyahu: “We’ve seen this before. There’s a master race; now there’s a master faith” (cf., a more recent article here at JW)
Jay Boo says
He used to be a hairdresser.
You might want to skip the shave with this guy.
scott allen says
OMG…..they must’ve done something wrong. I guess I had the wrong idea about ISIS. Glad this guy cleared that up. Challah Akbar!! (Jewish bread is great)
mortimer says
FIGHTING TO SUBJUGATE DISBELIEVERS IS NOT ISLAMIC! (…uninformed opinion of Sec. Kerry)
BUT…The Koran commands Muslims to fight ALL disbelievers until they are subjugated and humiliated:
“Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” – K. 9:29
Mohammed said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to FIGHT against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle.” – Bukhari 1.2.24
Therefore, Mr. Kerry is wrong. Fighting disbelievers to subjugate them IS ISLAMIC. ISIS practices REAL ISLAM.
ralph says
Genesis 16: 7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”
“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.
9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”
11 The angel of the Lord also said to her:
“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,[a]
for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
gravenimage says
Ralph, Christian Arabs are not “wild donkeys”, while non-Arab Muslims are.
Muslims are not savages because they are condemned by God to be so—they are savages because they follow a vicious ideology.
Myxlplik says
ISIS hold 46 Turkish prisoners, has at least a thousand Turkish fighters & now Ankara wants the military to create a “buffer zone”.
At what point will people get it, that ISIS is an organic political, theological, and military movement for Sunni Muslims. It most accurately represents true Islam, as admitted by the interviewee. It’s not really an opinion, it’s Islam, and for Muslims nobody can actually counter what ISIS does theologically, or what it’s goals and methods are versus the actions, deeds, and desires of their Prophet.
I wonder if the Turkish military will be able to stop this mind Muslim mind Ebola from spreading? This will spread to Anatolia soon enough I think, it’s like an Islamic WWZ, Islamozombie invasion.