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Muslims protest against Australia terror raids: “There is anger in the community. We have been victimised for years and years.”

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MuslimprotestAustralia300 angry protesters. When have we seen 300 Muslims protesting against the twisting and hijacking of their religion that Western Muslim leaders claim has been done by the likes of the Islamic State and Al Qaeda? Their ire seems reserved only for counter-terror efforts, as in the protest here, and for those who dare to draw cartoons of Muhammad.

“Terror raids: Muslim radical Uthman Badar warns of backlash against ‘terrorism’ of government, ASIO and police,” by Geoff Chambers and Warren Gibbs, The Daily Telegraph, September 19, 2014 (thanks to Kenneth):

A MUSLIM leader chose the hallowed steps of Lakemba’s War Memorial to preach outrage and condemnation over the anti-terror raids across Sydney.

In front of 300 angry protesters, controversial Hizt ut-Tahrir spokesman Uthman Badar warned of a growing anger within the Islamic ­community and said it was time to stop the victimisation. “We are tired of being made scapegoats. The government is the terrorist,” he declared to the gathering, many waving anti-government placards.

Protesters packed the lawns of the Canterbury council-controlled RSL reserve — booked by rally organisers for one hour from 7pm — as a group of speakers branded the anti-terror swoop as an overkill aimed at creating fear.

“We would be fools to think we can now wake up and feel safer. We are not fools to be deceived. There is anger in the community. We have been victimised for years and years,” said Mr Badar.

A young man, who claimed police punched his mother as the family’s home was raided yesterday morning, yelled at the crowd several times to “wake up”. “What are you going to do about it? Talk? ­Seriously? Talk?” he said.

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  1. If these people don’t want to live under Australian law move to a Muslim country!

  2. This what Aussies get for letting in the Muslims. Or rather their “leaders” for letting in the Mohammedans.

  3. “We are tired of being made scapegoats.

    Well then, ‘Hit the road Abu and doncha come back no more’…

      • Then show them the road, buy them a one-way ticket on a leaky boat that they used to get to Australia in the first place and slam the gate after they “leave”. Hey, what can I say? Love it or (be forced to) leave it. There is no third choice.

  4. Just like the thousands of protest worldwide by MUSLIMS condemning islamic extremists in the world like isis and boko haram………………..

    Right????

  5. Muslims are THE ONLY ONES That are giving THEIR religion a BAD REPUTATION!!!!
    Yet, they only PROTEST against people that criticize THEIR religion.
    They BLAME EVERYONE BUT THEM SELVES for their failures, especially israel, and the US, that’s all they need to live a life filled with hate.

  6. Dont bother coming to Australia its that simple stay in your own country and you will have nothing to worry about.
    The sooner we get all Australians to stand up and say we have had enough of this nonsense the better off we will be.

    • No chance of Muslims staying in ” their own countries” when they can get FREE houses, FREE health care, FREE education and FREE bag fulls of money in someone else´s country.
      Why work when you can leach off somebody else for the rest of your life ??????????

  7. “We would be fools to think we can now wake up and feel safer. We are not fools to be deceived. There is anger in the community. We have been victimised for years and years,” said Mr Badar.

    Look mate, if you don’t feel safe in Australia how about you apply for asylum someplace else? I heard the islamic state is blowing up right now, you should look into it.

    Exactly how many manifestations or actions have been done so far against this alleged victimization allegedly going on for years? Isn’t it funny how authorities crack down on terrorism and suddenly muslims start complaining about how oppressed they are, and how this anti-terrorism raid (who certainly saved innocent lives) is just another expression of how bad they have it? Did you had it as bad when the “uncovered meat” imam blamed girls for being raped by islamic rape gangs?

    There is victimization going on all right – standard islamic “oh, woe is us, we are poor innocent muslims being persecuted for being muslims and nothing else” whining, which goes back at the times of muhammad and early islam. Muhammad insulted meccan gods, meccans insulted him back and muhammad cried “they’re persecuting us because we’re muslims”. Carry on whining Badar, the more you whine the sooner Australian kuffar will be on to you.

  8. Don’t resist our jihad or we’ll get REALLY MAD! Don’t say Islam teaches terrorism or we’ll kill you.

    • Those truly are the options that the supremacists are offering. Of course they prefer that we would confine ourselves to their offers, I say offers because we really do have other options. Options they will not find so agreeable to their delusions of grandeur.

  9. “We have been victimised for years and years”
    No! You’ve been supporters of Islam for years and years. Islam that preaches hatred for Jews and other Kuffar. Islam that produces bombers and beheaders and rapists and liars.
    Shame on you!
    But of course you know no shame. That would require a conscience and you don’t have one. Or if you do it is sick and twisted like your “Prophet” and his comic-book: Koran.
    Shame on you anyway!

  10. Nonsense. Most Muslims are much nicer and more moral than Mohammed. They believe theoretically, but most do not practice all the things required by Islam. Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.

    • ahaha!! …and for his next trick, mortimer is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat! 🙂 Where on EARTH did you find those statistics? …did you make them up? Uh ..yeah!

      Also, ALL muslims identify with muhammad: probably the most evil criminal known to man. So how do you suppose that the majority of muslims (perhaps 85%, according to you) are “nicer and more moral” than the evil man that they have chosen to identify with? Wow this statement of yours does not make ANY sense. None at all.

      That said, not all muslims commit these acts of violence, but that doesn’t make them “nicer and more moral” by any stretch simply because they don’t commit these crimes. What a silly supposition.

      Would you state the same thing about those who *love* Charles Manson and who follow him? …and for arguments sake maybe call themselves Mansonites? Oh, but *some* of them would never commit the evil crimes that Manson did–but hey they are still “nice and moral” people. Yeah, right! See how silly your thinking is? No? Well, I do!

      Ordinarily I think you have it right about islam and company, but not in this instance. Sorry.

      Take care.

      • I don’t know about the statistics, but I do know that Mortimer is right: the vast majority of Muslims are not true followers of Muhammad. They are much more decent than their so-called prophet. Given the right opportunities (education about Islam and freedom to safely quit this cult) most of them will instantly apostacize.
        If they’re still Muslims it’s because of their ignorance and fear…even in the West!

        That’s what they do when they feel relatively safe: They URINATE on the Qur’an
        http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/01/egyptian-muslims-tear-up-quran.html

      • I just want to interject my own experience here; anecdotal evidence, obviously, but that type of data is often quite illustrative of broader Truth.

        EVERY SINGLE mUSLIM THAT I HAVE EVER KNOWN PERSONALLY WAS/IS, FUNDAMENTALLY, A ROTTEN HUMAN BEING. Coincidence? They were all deficient in strikingly similar ways.

        All ye purveyors of the-majority-of-muslims-are-good-people meme, I regret (well, not really) that you cannot disabuse me of the conviction of my own experience. I feel pretty comfortable extrapolating from there.

      • EVERY SINGLE mUSLIM THAT I HAVE EVER KNOWN PERSONALLY WAS/IS, FUNDAMENTALLY, A ROTTEN HUMAN BEING.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        I can honestly say that this has been *my* experience–with every muslim that I have ever met–too, CGW. Interesting.

      • I don’t know about the statistics, but I do know that Mortimer is right: the vast majority of Muslims are not true followers of Muhammad.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        He did not state that the vast majority of muslims are not true followers of muhammad …he stated that the majority are “nicer and more moral” than muhammad. I don’t agree; and that’s very different from what you wrote.

      • Salah, essestially that’s like a Nazi claiming that they just aren’t a “practicing Nazi” ..pfft! C’mon!

      • I believe Salah is speaking the truth that “the vast majority of Muslims are not true followers of Muhammad.”
        I believe that they are political Muslims.
        Islam is a vulnerable political system with neighbors who rat on each other.

        To suggest that “Muslims are very dirty and immoral people.” is to appeal to a simplistic subhuman stereotype rather than doing the work of attacking the ideology and the behavior.
        It is a bit lazy.

      • Anyone is nicer and more moral than Mohammed.
        that is setting the bar quite low

      • This incident is a great opportunity to mock Muslim victimization exploitation behavior but it will likely be squandered by those on the left who don’t dare say anything critical and those on the right who crawl into the security blanket of all Muslims are subhuman thinking and thereby allow their comments to be discredited.

      • Thanks, CGW. That’s been my experience—not only are a lot of Muslims rude and aggressive up front, but even the ones who are superficially nice tend to show their true colors if you ask them about Jews, Shari’ah law, the lack of rights for women, or what the Muslim “Jesus” plans to do to Christians in the last days.

        Ugly stuff.

      • Salah, are we really supposed to believe that even in the West that millions of Muslims would happily leave Islam, but are just too terrified of the (supposedly) tiny number of serious adherents?

        Is this why such a large percentage of them tell pollsters that they are in favor of Shari’ah law—because a more pious Muslim might be listening at the keyhole?

        I’m afraid that rather strains credulity.

    • Mortimer a more accurate statistic would be 99% of Muslims give the other 1% a bad name!

    • You don¿t need a majority to cause world revolution. Lenin never had anything near a majority in Russia. In any case, the problem is the doctrine of the religion which is also a totalitarian political ideology. Once the ones who are not jihadis are convinced by the others that they are not practicing their religion, then there is a huge base of recuiting of jihadis, and a means of convincing them as their god Allah is ordering them to kill “kafurs”. and if htey don’t sumbit, they are going straight to hell. Pretty strong motivation.

    • Wow, I can’t thank mortimer enough for putting so starkly in black and white his extreme asymptotic position (well nigh abutting on the lower end of PC MC), so I can bookmark it for future reference!

    • This is exactly where the numbers do not stack up. Many so called “moderates” and our dhimmi leaders claim that most muslims are moderate. That in my opinion, if the characterization is correct, means that 49% of the muslims are not (moderate) and, therefore, are radical. Even if that ratio is down 5% (we know…we know), that means there are 75 million muslims out there who believe in the way of the quran. For me, that’s the danger we need to acknowledge at least. Secondly, a moderate muslim is not a good muslim because he or she is not willing to follow the quran or the hadiths in their true spirit. Therefore, to a “real” muslim, a moderate muslim is a blasphemer.

      • Aw, the illusory “moderate” muslim …yes, it can all get so convoluted and confusing. But the truth is, there are only muslims, and non-muslims. See, it’s that simple.

        🙂

    • Wake up Morty. The story is about 300 mendacious grievance mongering taqiyya artists who should be packed up and sent home before they forget they are moderates and start beheading people in the streets.

    • ”Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.”

      Actually, it is *your* post that is nonsense. As Champ noted, where did you get your statistics from ? And further, *all* mohammedans admire mohammed – he is the perfect example, to be emulated as much as possible. Any mohammedan who knows about the actions of mohammed, even though he/she may not *carry them out*, and refuses to confront the nature and actions of their ‘prophet’, is an egregious *moral coward*.

      Brigitte Gabriel nailed it perfectly, below.

    • Really, Mortimer? In that case, why do so many Muslims in the West support the Islamic State? Why are so many for the imposition of Shari’ah law?

      And why aren’t any of them out protesting *against* violent JIhad?

  11. “…..Uthman Badar warned of a growing anger within the Islamic ­community and said it was time to stop the victimization.” Well, let me tell you, buddy, there is a growing anger in the non-Islamic community also and it is way past time we put a stop to the spread of your bulls**t.

    • Sounds to me like a thinly disguised threat – “Uthman Badar warned of a growing anger within the Islamic ­community and said it was time to stop the victimisation”

      • Yes it is.

        A threat.

        He’s probably got in mind – and is reminding his hearers of – the verse of the Quran (Surah 2: 214) that says “Persecution is worse than slaughter”.

        And what that actually means, *in context* (Mohammed’s men attacking the Quraysh caravan at Nakhla) is that Infidels picking on Muslims or thwarting them in any way whatsoever is such a bad thing that the Muslims have to put a stop to it by *slaughtering said Infidels*.

        All these cries of ‘victimisatiion’ and “oppression” and claims that the Australian Government and police are “terrorists”, are evoking that verse in order to gin up jihad against Australian infidels for *daring* to resist the Islamisation of Australia in any way whatsoever.

        • “what that actually means, *in context* (Mohammed’s men attacking the Quraysh caravan at Nakhla) is that Infidels picking on Muslims or thwarting them in any way whatsoever is such a bad thing that the Muslims have to put a stop to it by *slaughtering said Infidels*.”

          It’s worse than that. As Ibn Kathir makes clear in his tafsir (especially of sura 9), there mere existence of Infidels anywhere on Earth is an OFFENSE against Muslims, legitimizing and justifying Mohammedan DEFENSE in the form of Qital — fighting and killing those Infidels who resist subjugation (if Peoples of the Book) and/or conversion to Islam.

  12. Oh dear poor downtrodden peace loving Muslims, barbaric scum is what you are , I wouldn’t mind a chance to introduce you to a couple of great whites , all you flea ridden camel jockeys should all fuck of back into the sandpits you crawled out of

  14. “We have been victimised for years and years”

    In fact the police and public authorities go out of their way to indulge Muslims living in Australia. The police are both concerned on a PR front and evidently fearful of a violent Muslim backlash. Two examples:

    1. The former Grand Mufti of Australia Al-din Hilaly was pulled over by the police whilst driving a vehicle with a long object protruding from a side window (illegal). Carrying out a routine check they found his drivers licence had expired some years earlier and his vehicle’s registration had expired ( which voided his compulsory third party insurance – get run over by him and he has no insurance to pay for your medical treatment, permanent injury). An angry crowd of Muslims quickly gathered around the police who called for back-up. The Mufti feigned chest pain and rather arrest him for resisting arrest, the police called an ambulance. He was charged, but all charges were later quietly dropped. This would happen to no other Australian.

    2. A few days after the so-called Cronulla beach race-riots in Sydney, hundreds of Muslim men gathered at a park in Punchbowl and set off in convoys of cars for three Sydney beaches many miles away. The police were aware of the gathering and the convoy and did nothing – ordered at the highest levels – as the cars travelled in tandem with their hazard lights flashing (illegal). Arriving at Maroubra Beach part of the convoy got out of their vehicles and proceeded walking down Maroubra Rd visibly armed with baseball bats and golf clubs smashing the windscreens, panels, headlights etc of the vehicles parked on both sides of the road. Terrified residents peered out from behind their curtains as this took place. The police took no action then or later -not even recording the registration plates of the convoy vehicles. The media did not report these events – I live nearby – no doubt at the request of the police or out of self-censorship or both. Presumably in order not to inflame community feeling against Muslims – must keep the plebs ignorant of such goings on – and aggravate Muslims generating even more violence.

    So given the license to flout the law that Australia-dwelling Muslims currently enjoy it is no wonder that they are incensed that the security agencies are now probing their involvement/connections with Muslim terror groups. They have a lot to hide.

    • Julius O’malley is exactly right. The reasons for the Cronulla riots were twisted by the most of the media and academia to make the Muslim thugs into victims of white racism. Now, this is what we get for soft pedaling and pandering to these thugs. This cover up of Muslim crime has been going on for ages; blurred and buried under headlines such as ATM hold ups, “road rage” incidents, assaults, robberies, rapes etc. It was mentioned on the news last night that police security around mosques were being stepped up. How about some security around our churches, schools, trains and neighborhoods?

      • The above comments are correct I worked in the rail security at one stage, some may recall that during the height of the Cronulla so called “riots” there was footage of a Muslim man being assaulted on one of the Sydney trains, it showed this man sitting down in his seat with his arms in the air protecting his face and torso he looked alone in the footage and was being hit by ” skippys” looked like he was the victim because he was bashed by some alcohol fueled up Australian thugs, even the Police Commissioner waded in on the resulting media circus, he said something along the lines ” this sort of racism ( Australian against Muslim ) will not be tolerated” , what 99 percent of people don’t know the man in question actually started the name calling and threatening others in that carriage with his Muslim friends, some girls were being bullied and were trying to get away but couldn’t, some Aussie young guys intervened and from then the camera rolled and of course it ” looked ” like the Aussies were the trouble makers, of course this was all pointed out to the cops who came, but guess what ? you guessed it the ones who got charged were the Australians, I saw more of that the same that day, the cops went out of their way to look the other way when the Lebanese Muslims smashed or terrorized people , they came down to smash a “skippy ”

        The NSW Police is very ,very highly aware of PC ! they have their own spin doctors who go out of their way to ” correctly “align media releases to not appear against Muslims, the NSW State Government and the Police from Commissioner down are staffed with those who tow the line, don’t ask how I know this, I just do lets say.

    • That’s just wrong on so many counts. Reminds me of Ecclesiastes 8:11:
      “Because sentence against a bad work has not been executed speedily, that is why the heart of the sons of men has become fully set in them to do bad.”

      When they get away with obvious wrongdoing, breaking of laws that others must be made to obey, it emboldens them to do more and then to complain if and when they are ever punished. And not only to complain, but to threaten those who might arrest, testify against or prosecute them.

  15. WO|W, I would love to be ‘victimised’ to the point of getting $187,000 from the government of Australia to pay for replacement. I would not mind a new car, a nice home to live in while being ‘victimised”Not to forget the continuing welfare payments while únemployed

  16. MUSLIMS WILL NEVER, EVER protest against THEIR FELLOW muslims that are giving THEIR OWN religion a bad name, they NEVER WILL!!!!!
    Muslims will ALWAYS BLAME others for THEIR FAILURES specially israel, and the US, by doing this they JUSTIFY THEIR ATROCITIES!!!!!!!!!!! THEREFORE as long as they continue with THEIR stupid arrogance they shouldn’t be allowed to live in another country. ALL IMMIGRANTS SHOULD ADAPT THEIR, CULTURE, AND RELIGION TO THE COUNTRY THEY’RE MIGRATING!!!!!!! NO ONE COUTRY SHOULD ADAPT TO ANY IMMIGRANT’S CULTURE AND RELIGION!!!!! IF IMMIGRANTS DON’T ADAPT TO THE COUNTRY THEY’RE GOING TO, THEN THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN THAT COUNTRY!!!!!!

  17. Well, Muslims do think “persecution (of Muslims which means keeping them from their rightful supreme place in society to rule over the rest of us) is worse than slaughter” (which was being planned for a random non-Muslim Australian by those arrested.) So, this makes perfect sense that they behave in this disgusting way.

  19. These raids were a game changer in Australia. Many of the people in the homes raided protested of their sons or husbands innocence. Whilst it will drive the fanatics under ground it did demonstrate the willingness of the law to act with impunity.
    This pathetic protest illustrated just how little support there is . I hope ASIO and the AFP were recording pictures, rego numbers and speakers last night. There is a good chance any remaining comic book readers were in that crowd.

    • You wrote – “I hope ASIO and the AFP were recording pictures, rego numbers and speakers last night.”

      That was my thought, also. Photographs of all those with uncovered faces, plus rego of all cars, and audio recording of all who made speeches.

      Loose cannons, the lot of them, those 300 or so mohammedan male mobsters parading about in public and shooting their mouths off.

      I observe, however, that despite engaging in a mass threat display, they did not actually dare to *riot*.

      Perhaps they knew that if they tried *that*, right now, they might find every one of them – all 300 – instantly arrested (by the army, perhaps, as well as the cops) and clapped in jug.

    • There are many many Muslims who attend anti Israel hate actions and wave Hizb’allah, Hamas, jihad and ISIS flags while yelling “Death to Israel and various anti Semitic slogans, colluding with the Socilaist organisations to flood the streets with screaming hate and terrify Jews and locals.

      The police can’t or won’t stop them because they are “protesting”.

      ASIO should also hit these parades of hatred and target those carrying these flags. But they won’t, even though these marches occur regularly all over Australia every month, sometimes several times a month outside private businesses and in the street.
      No council members to my knowledge have spoken against these marches, stood up for Jews targeted in these marches or spoken against terror flags of Islam being waved in the street, though they technically constitute treason since they are war flags, as far as I can see.
      Except for a news item here and there they are barely acknowledged, but in the meantime our streets are being turned into offshoots of the Gaza strip – and we all know who runs that place. It’s not the Israelis!!

  20. Muslim men who rape always feel they are the ones being victimized, forced through no fault of their own to rape women.

    When Muslims kill, they feel they are somehow the victims.

  21. Well, at least Mr Abbot didn’t state that these terrorist plans:
    ‘Have nothing to do with Islam’.
    In that he has broken the lockstep that Cameron and Hollande have had with Obama.

  22. There were reported to be 300 at the protest?

    I just heard an interview on ABC with said Organiser and it was said that there were 100 at the protest…who is telling a lie? And the Organiser did not question the number 100…..Hmmmmn exageration

  24. The world is full of offended, resentful and revengeful followers of this ideology. It is an ingrained part of their DNA and further instilled in them by their “book”. I,too, am now becoming offended and resentful by what these people have caused to happen in our beautiful country and by the constant whinging that emanates from these people.

    • It’s not a book as we know it Jim. You read it back to front and it has cartoon characters in it!

  26. Whingeing and squawking, squawking and whingeing, and engaging in menacing all-male mass threat displays even as they pretend that they are “persecuted”.

    They weren’t dispersed with tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons, and truncheons. They werent’ ridden down by the riot police on horseback. So what are they complaining about?

    All their arrestees got basic due process of law.

    So what are they complaining about?

    They should be told, flatly, by our police, and by our politicians: “Tough bikkies, now shut up!”

  27. thing I would like to see?

    *Thousands* of Aussie *non-Muslims* – led by our resident Jews, Copts, and Assyrian Christians, together with our Hindus and Buddhists and Sikhs not a few of whom are refugees from Muslim Pakistan or Bangladesh (Hindus, Sikhs) or Malaysia (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists) – holding a rally *demanding* a total halt to all further entry of Muslims into Australia, searching of *all* mosques and Islamic schools and ‘bookshops’ and ‘community centres” (and investigation of their financing), no more mosque-building nor permission of “Islamic schools”, rescinding of recognition of “sharia finance”, rescinding of all halal certification of infidel-owned businesses esp in the food industry, a burqa / niqab ban in all public places, no hijab of any kind to be permitted in public institutions such as primary and secondary schools, strict enforcement of laws relating to marriage (to clamp down and punish Muslim child ‘marriage’ and forced marriage and clandestine polygyny), cancelling of citizenship or residency and passports of ALL mohammedans with Aussie papers who are currently known to be wallowing in blood in Syria and Iraq, ending of “aid” to all Muslim entities (including the “pooor ‘Palestinians'” aka the Arab Muslims of Gaza, Judea and Samaria), and deportation of all non-citizen mohammedans who commit crimes or incite to or plot or attempt acts of jihad terror; plus no Aussie citizenship to be granted to Muslims currently resident. And *end* ALL public funding of Muslim ‘community organisations’.

    Hold up placards : “Churchill called Islam the religion of blood and war. He was right”. ” No to Islam, the death cult”. “Stop the jizya”. “We Will Not Submit”. “Got Muslims? Got Jihad. No Muslims? No Jihad”.

    Really give the mohammedans something to whine about!

    They were planning to grab us off the street – *any* visibly-identifiable non-Muslim would have been their target, and there is *no way* that they would have chosen a visibly-identifiable MUSLIM as their victim – and **behead us on camera**.

    That should make us ANGRY.

    I don’t think anything will happen this weekend. And I can’t be at anything this weekend, myself.

    But I do hope Q Society – maybe in conjunction with the Jews, Copts, Assyrians and Hindus – can organise something. Fast.

    I want the Infidel rallies and marches to be WAY BIGGER than the Muslim ones.

    That’s the way to do it.

    But we each have to write to our politicians and religious leaders, as well.

    PS

    Thank you letters to ASIO, the AFP, and Brisbane and Sydney metropolitan police would, I think, be in order.

    They have a long way to go before they understand fully what we are up against – the Mohammedan Fifth Column now entrenched within our gates and taking orders from High Command in the Dar al Islam, besides reading the interim orders straight out of the Islamic texts – but at least they seem to have got wind of this particular plot, in time.

    And I do like the fact that no less that 600 to 800 police carried out the raids, in Sydney. It tells me that our frontline police know about the mohammedan tendency to “swarm” if a member of the Ummah is confronted, but *also* know that Mohammedans buckle when superior force is displayed by someone prepared to deploy it as required.

    • By the way I was told by a Imam that a Mosque’s cannot be searched for arms and such because they are holy ground and are protected by NSW law…. perhaps someone else can confirm that ?

    • Dumbledoresarmy it might be a good thing if our PM did not say – as I’m afraid he did – that this is not a matter of religion.

  28. The un-holy Quran, and satellite texts, are nothing more than a war plan, for physical conquest, of THIS world, which is extremely temporary. Quote “…anger within the Islamic ­community…” there always seems to be this 90% anger level within an Islamic community, just below the explosion point (no pun) as if at the drop of hat (or publishing of a cartoon) all Quran followers go berserk. It’s a product of reading Islamic texts, and then being forced (brainwashed) to believe that THAT is it, there’s nothing else. It produces subconscious anger I assert, and a volatile “community.”

  29. Arrest the lot of them. They are all potential terrorists – especially the leader and the young guy at the end.
    They think they can threaten and cause terror and we should all just accept that that is their right, but when we don’t – they are the victims.
    Give us a break.
    We will not be fooled by their Jihad. We are not like their counterparts in the middle east that let them overtake them.
    If they think we are – they will be sadly mistaken.

  30. Your Hebrew Christian (=first) name, dear Michael, means, as you surely know, “Who is like God ?”. The archangel is, of course, part of the myths on which religion is built, including the three monotheisms, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Rather than attack your competitors who have replaced Yahweh and God the Father with Allah, and Jesus with “The Prophet”, accusing all Muslims of being “dirty and immoral”, why don’t you examine your own credulity if not fanaticism and wonder why you and they want to annihilate each other in the name of God. Christopher Hitchens said it best : “Religion poisons everything.”

    • Christians aren’t attacking or trying to annihilate anyone, not even those who are persecuting, torturing, raping, and beheading them by the thousands across the planet. Christians are leaving it to God, our Creator, to do any annihilating that must be done, leaving it to *His Will*.

      And just so you know, your *idol*, Hitchens, first name *Christopher*….hmmm, just where did that name originate (google it if you don’t know)…never, repeat, never…proved there is no God. He never was able to prove there is no Creator who deserves honor and worship.

      The Apostle Paul said it best, “Every house is constructed by someone and He that constructed all things is God (Hebrews 3:4).” Hence, the name Michael: Who is Like God? Answer: no one!

      • You talkin’ to me ? You’re outta your league, mate. When you have completed your doctoral studies in Theology as I did in the Catholic University in Paris, France, maybe we can talk about all this. Meantime check out my blog (blindfaithblindfolly.wordpress.com), or even my self-published book, “From Illusions to Illumination”. The burden of proof is on believers, or as I like to call them “non-atheists”, because it is normal not to believe in myths born of ignorance, fear and wishful thinking.

      • To Frank: Yeah, *mate*…I was talking to you. And to your *degree* I say, so what? Anyone, just anyone, can make claims of having *degrees* and anyone with a few dollars can *publish* a book. I’ve written a few myself, and have had my writing published…not by me. (“To the making of many books there is no end and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh,” written by King Solomon Ecc. 12:12)
        I can claim a whole heck of a lot of stuff and what can you say to disprove it? I say, since Jesus Christ didn’t have any degrees, and He is *approved* of His Heavenly Father, degrees, whether the ones I have or you have count with humans, they don’t matter to God. Jesus never wrote a book, but what He said has been quoted more times than can be counted.

        As far as *the burden of proof* being on *believers*…we don’t have to prove a blooming thing. What I said is true: neither your idol, hitchens, nor you as a follower of his, can disprove the existence of a Living God.
        And when the Creator decides the devil, and his false gods invented to fool people, have had long enough, they will be put to an end.
        What God says and does is, like the song says, “All that matters to me.”

        • ‘The burden of proof’ on Christians.
          Are you serious.
          The Bible is the most historically correct Book printed. All historical accounts, both written and otherwise, line up with the Biblical records.

          The Qur’an on the other hand, was written over 500 years after the New Testament, and cannot be proved in any event what so ever.
          In fact, when Muslims attempt to prove the Quran, they turn to Biblical Scripture, which of course they mis-interpret.

          When that doesn’t work, they either change the subject, or get very angry.

          The burden of proof is never on the original manuscripts – it is always on those trying to disprove them, and of course – that is impossible when it comes to the Word of God.

          In fact, interesting to note, that those Muslims that do study the Koran and then the Scripture, in order to try to disprove what Christians believe – often become followers of Jesus.

          When that doesn’t work, they either change the subject, or get very angry.

        • Lighten up a little, chum. Even a Bogan like you would have heard the old saw : “You’re an objective outsider ; what do you think of the human race ?” I suffer fools badly. Rather than waste my time in a dialogue of the the deaf with you and other incarnations of blindfaithblindfolly, I suggest you consult my blog (blindfaithblindfolly.wordpress. com) to see why I invented its mantra “Ridenda Religio” (“Religion Must be Laughed At”). On the burden of proof, you could learn a thing or three by reading (you can read, I trust) J.K.Rowling, “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows”, Bloomsbury, London, 2007, p. 334, where Hermione is talking about the Resurrection Stone and confronts Mr Lovegood who expects her to prove that it doesn’t exist. You don’t need to be a theologian to appreciate common sense.

    • Witless false moral equivalence from Frank O’Meara—as though Jews and Christian were out beheading Muslims in the streets.

      And his quoting Christopher Hitchens in support of his tripe could not be more absurd.

      Sure—Hitchens was a committed atheist who was critical of all religions—but he was also a staunch Anti-Jihadist who well understood the special threat of Islam.

      “Facing the Islamist Menace”

      http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_1_urbanities-steyn.html

      There are many, many more articles from the stalwart Mr. Hitchens—including several that were featured here at Jihad Watch.

      • Gravenimage : If you are so stone-deaf that you do not realize that I am opposed not only to jihadist islamism but Islam itself, there is no point in pretending to dialogue with statues or brick walls. You might consult my responses to Michael, Somehistory and Christine Godinet. Better still, consult my blog and sharpen your mind.

  31. I think Australia should wait about 50 years, until the present 500,000 Muslim population mushrooms to 10 million — then round them all up and deport them. It seems it will be far easier (less costly, less messy, less bloody) to wait and do it when there are 10 million, don’t you all agree?

    • voegelinian posted:

      “I think Australia should wait about 50 years, until the present 500,000 Muslim population mushrooms to 10 million — then round them all up and deport them.”

      How would Australia go about “deporting” an Aboriginal Australian convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Janszoon era? Under what law?

      • agrononse said
        How would Australia go about “deporting” an Aboriginal Australian convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Janszoon era? Under what law?

        Well if you want to avoid islamization, then it is about time to create some new laws

    • You are so funny ! [ NOT] Australia by then will have Sharia law and Allu Akbar will be the ADF war cry…

  32. Oh oh the ragheads are angry today. Saw some journos on TV trying to interview some of those who were raided. World coverage of their shame and embarrassment. I don’t think the Muzzies have realised Australia made a statement on the world stage. The towel heads are a laughing
    stock and it highlights what a committed legal and police force can do.
    It’s simple Oz Muslims. Assimilate or face further mass embarrassments. Get your community to inform on your radicals and dishonour those families who wish to undermine the safety of Australia. Or convert to Christianity, Judaism, Bhuddism or Atheism. Or even Scientology……. No maybe not that one too close to what you are. Muslims are already now dying of embarrassment. So there we have it assimilate,convert or die of shame.

  33. in other words: Muslims (of which the vast majority is allegedly really peaceful) get angry & aggressive when muslims who nocht peaceful get arrested.
    But it’s obviously very clear that only islamophobes would claim that many muslims would support terrorists

  34. Australia should send the whole miserable lot of them to their new caliph’s beautiful Muslim paradise, the “Islamic State”. All Muslim fundaMENTALists can never assimilate into advanced demogratic societies, which have granted these morons a home. They are too brainwashed and, frankly, too fucking stupid to co-exist in Western societies.

    The very radical cleric and Hizt ut-Tahrir spokesman, Uthman Badar, should be summararily DEPORTED to the Islamic State dustbowl, which his followers and all their black-draped “ninja turtle” women. The whole unhappy lot!

  36. “When have we seen 300 Muslims protesting against the twisting and hijacking of their religion that Western Muslim leaders claim has been done by the likes of the Islamic State and Al Qaeda?”

    Good question! All Iv’e seen is a picture on Twitter of 7 Muslims holding a sign with hashtag #NotinmyName in light of the beheading videos. Such a very inadequate gesture that belies this massive ‘moderate’ Muslim community that has no truck with Isis.

  37. Muslims mobs already display violence in Eurabia. It will happen everywhere. Thank God at least Americans can arm themselves. Aussies cannot.

  38. The discussion above about whether any Muslims are good misses the real point: it does not matter.

    IF they are Muslims who are NOT actively involved in stopping the Islamic violence (and hence are NOT real Muslims) then they are fair game and indistinguishable from the directly violent ones whom they are aiding and abetting via money and the womb.
    IMO the old Vietnam T Shirt has it right:

    LET GOD SORT THEM OUT!!!

  39. Genesis 16: 7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”

    “I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

    9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”

    11 The angel of the Lord also said to her:

    “You are now pregnant
    and you will give birth to a son.
    You shall name him Ishmael,[a]
    for the Lord has heard of your misery.
    12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
    his hand will be against everyone
    and everyone’s hand against him,
    and he will live in hostility
    toward[b] all his brothers.”

    So; they are following their Destiny to the TEE…

  40. Actually we should do our best to appropriately spread the Qua’an,
    printed on absorbent pre-perforated paper rolls.

    It should be an improvement on the desert pebbles preferred by the
    Plunderer for Profit PBUH (P..s Be Upon Him).

  41. In another thread, Angemon said “GTFO” to an Austalian Muslim whose birth father is an Aborigine. But he keeps pestering me with his inane question about a Muslim convert who is “indigenous” to his non-Muslim land.

    • voegelinian posted:

      “In another thread, Angemon said “GTFO” to an Austalian Muslim whose birth father is an Aborigine. But he keeps pestering me with his inane question about a Muslim convert who is “indigenous” to his non-Muslim land.”

      Hello voegelinian.

      Pestering you eh? Funny you complain about being pestered, since you routinely go out of your way to misrepresent, scorn and lie about several other users, myself included, like you did here before I “pestered” you. And, of course, you don’t provide a link to the thread where I say “GTFO”, do you? Probably because I’m not saying what you’re implying I’m saying. I’m guessing you’re talking about this:

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/australia-muslim-leader-on-terror-raids-government-attacking-islam-and-muslims/comment-page-1#comment-1121302

      Angemon
      September 18, 2014 at 6:11 am

      Once again, we wake up to the sad news of our innocent Muslim brothers being arrested by the Australian authorities, their families being terrorized, their houses being raided, their freedoms being confiscated, their rights abused…

      So it’s an everyday thing, eh? Then I suggest you learn to live with it or GTFO.

      As you can see, I’m not there simply saying GTFO for the sake of saying GTFO. I’m saying that if the guy (whose ancestry is not mentioned in the article but it wouldn’t matter even if it were) feels he’s so persecuted in Australia then he has the option of leaving at any moment – no one is pointing a gun at his head and forcing him to live in Australia.

      There also have been other instances where I suggest removing citizenship – for example, when muslims leave their country to join islamic terror groups.

      In any case, your witless attempt at equivalence failed hard. You suggest that Australia should round them[Muslim population mushrooms] all up and deport them“, regardless of their nationality or ethnicity, for being muslim.

      So I’m asking you again: how would Australia go about “deporting” an Aboriginal Australian convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Janszoon era? Under what law?

      If only you put half the effort you put into deriding, scorning and lying about counter-jihadis into answering questions about practical applications of your suggestions…

  42. Yes, as I thought; Angemon’s bluster is all bark and no bite. His GTFO to the Aboriginal convert to Islam (Angemon evidently didn’t read the informative post of dumbledoresarmy who ascertained this information — but that won’t change his mind, since he evidently doesn’t adjust his mind to new data) is simply an impotent gesture. For what if that Muslim, and innumerable others who hate us and are enabling the terrorism that we have good reason to suppose is horribly in the offing, simply says “No” (or, “Nah — up yours”)? What would Angemon advocate then to protect our societies? More limp-wristed measures grotesquely out of synch with the ghastly nature and proportions of this systemic and metastasizing threat to all our societies.

    • voegelinian posted:

      “Yes, as I thought; Angemon’s bluster is all bark and no bite.”

      So it’s just like the majority of the posts on this website, including your own. Let’s not forget you were trying to draw a parallel between what I said there and what you said here – why are you stopping short of explaining to us the practical effects of your post?

      “His GTFO to the Aboriginal convert to Islam (Angemon evidently didn’t read the informative post of dumbledoresarmy who ascertained this information”

      I was commenting on the article, not replying to another commentator. Last time I checked JW’s ToU doesn’t require reading every single comment in order to comment on the OP.

      “but that won’t change his mind, since he evidently doesn’t adjust his mind to new data)”

      Mohammed Thorne’s ethnicity bears no relevance to what I said. Or are you suggesting saying “if you don’t like it there GTFO” doesn’t apply to aborigines? No one is forcing him to live in Australia – if he doesn’t like it there he can GTFO.

      “ For what if that Muslim, and innumerable others who hate us and are enabling the terrorism that we have good reason to suppose is horribly in the offing, simply says “No” (or, “Nah — up yours”)?”

      Hmmm, how would one deal with such a threating, terrifying prospect of a rude answer? How, indeed?

      “What would Angemon advocate then to protect our societies?”

      From what, someone saying “No” or “Nah — up yours”?

      Now that we’re done with your red herrings, you said Australia should round up and deport all muslims. How would Australia go about “deporting” an Aboriginal Australian convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Janszoon era? Under what law?

  43. Where were the trucks to collect the 300 protestors and take them to Manus Island.
    That is what it is all about, not squabbling among ourselves about the bloody koran or bible.
    Get them sorted out and kicked out, or we will vote in people who are willing to do so.
    I for one am sick of our spineless and gutless pollies.

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