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NYU Prof: Myles Standish beheaded too; we’re all as savage as the Islamic State

Sep 28, 2014 11:33 pm By Robert Spencer

zimmerman01In a certain sense it is true: the dividing line between good and evil is not between one group and another; rather, it is within every human heart. This article is trying to make that point, but also to go farther than that, to reinforce the fashionable relativism of the intelligentsia: no moral distinctions can be made, everything and everyone is corrupt, and thus no effort against an evil such as the Islamic State is valid. Zimmerman’s line of thinking, followed out to its logical conclusion, would have the West abandon all efforts to defend itself and surrender to the global jihad.

What is astonishing is that this counsel of despair has become so mainstream, such that its author is a professor at a major university, and his piece is published in a respected newspaper. If our age weren’t so sick, both Zimmerman and the Los Angeles Times editors would never get close to any positions of influence.

“Practice of beheading not limited to Islamic State,” by Jonathan Zimmerman, Los Angeles Times, September 28, 2014:

In 1623, just two years after Native Americans and Pilgrims dined together at the first Thanksgiving, Pilgrim commander Myles Standish decapitated an enemy Indian chieftain and impaled his head on a pike outside of the Plymouth fort.

That’s the part we typically omit from our Thanksgiving myth, which emphasizes interracial harmony instead of violence. And we certainly don’t like to remember that our forefathers practiced beheading, especially when we’re faced with an enemy that still engages in it….

And the victim’s eyes were pointed at us. Condemning Islamic State on Wednesday, President Obama said it “forces us to look into the heart of darkness.” The allusion was to Joseph Conrad’s classic 1899 novel, in which a deranged white colonist in Africa erects human heads on the fence around his house.

To Conrad, writing at the height of imperialism, the heads showed how whites could regress into the barbarism of the lesser races. Today, we know better — or we should. The savagery that you see on those YouTube videos isn’t just in Islamic State, or in some other enemy that you fear and despise. It’s in you too.

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  1. Richard Sherman says

    Sep 28, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    Liberals would give up the lives of their own children rather than tell the sociopathic truth about Islam .

    • SWE says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:00 am

      That is just not true. They would cower and surrender and conform before letting harm come to their own children.

      They would however sacrifice everyone elses children.

      • mortimer says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 7:06 am

        They consider all religions equally false, except for the religion of Marxism. Zimmerman is a theoretician for the cultural Marxists who are a secret underground church worshipping atheistic totalitarianism. They love Islam because it is totalitarian and anti-democratic; they actually think they can convert the Muslims to atheism or at least they can control and pacify them! Only Stalinism could control Muslims.

      • Bezelel says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 7:31 am

        That is what I call, building their house on the shifting sand of secular morality. It denies the moral compass a fixed position to make corrections from. Blinded by the god of this world (ego).

      • Shane says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 10:43 am

        Liberals will quickly convert to Islam when threatened with beheading and they will point out others to be victimized by Muslim jihadists. No one is saying that beheading is solely used by Musilms, but beheading is still the preferred method of terrorizing infidels by Muslim jihadists. Of course, libs will deny that the OK beheading had anything to do with Islam.

      • A_Liberal says

        Sep 30, 2014 at 1:14 pm

        You morons have no idea what liberals think, because you are too busy vilify anyone who isn’t a right wing Christian.

        There are many liberals who see the ascendancy of Islam as a problem, but don’t engage in the same kind of black-and-white thinking as the perceived enemy.

        This site is a decent source of information for some of the nefarious goings-on in the “jihadisphere” but the comments section here is sad.

        Carry on.

      • Bezelel says

        Sep 30, 2014 at 4:13 pm

        A-Liberal wrote “There are many liberals who see the ascendancy of Islam as a problem”
        I can’t help but notice the list of names is as empty as your head. How can anyone know what you think if you don’t know?
        P.S. Life is like an analogy….

    • abad says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 7:06 pm

      How true, Richard, how true. In liberal eyes, “we are no better than ISL/Islam/Mo”

      But all they do is spew ivory-tower nonsense with no real-world experience. They let the fox into the hen-house a long time ago.

  2. terry says

    Sep 28, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    ” to reinforce the fashionable relativism of the intelligentsia: no moral distinctions can be made, everything and everyone is corrupt, and thus no effort against an evil such as the Islamic State is valid. Zimmerman’s line of thinking, followed out to its logical conclusion, would have the West abandon all efforts to defend itself and surrender to the global jihad.

    What is astonishing is that this counsel of despair has become so mainstream, such that its author is a professor at a major university, and his piece is published in a respected newspaper. If our age weren’t so sick, both Zimmerman and the Los Angeles Times editors would never get close to any positions of influence.”

    That was brilliantly put, Robert. Meanwhile, sometimes I wonder if anyone from mainstream media or the majority of people in the west is or will ever be paying any attention to this.

    Sadly so!

    • bernie says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:17 am

      I think there was someone who said, “There are some ideas so preposterous that only an intellectual could believe them.”

      • Kepha says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 4:56 am

        ernie, it was Eric Blair (aka George Orwell).

        While I’m here, I note that Myles Standish’s beheading of a Masachusetts chief was in the context of open war in which both sides understood they were at war. Nolen’s beheading of a co-worker was in the context of one side understanding that there was supposedly peace between the two.

        Jonathan Zimmerman, for all his pious first name, is one more Leftist moral relativist who, as a result of his belief system, cannot tell friend from foe.

        • john spielman says

          Sep 29, 2014 at 7:31 am

          Neither beheading nor any violence is allowed for followers of Christ Jesus, however ” Christians” who do evil
          will answer to Jesus who commanded us to love not only our brothers/sisters in Christ( fellow believers ) but also our neighbors( those in our society who are not followers of Christ) and even our ENEMIES!

        • Bamaguje says

          Sep 29, 2014 at 8:26 am

          ‘Zimmerman’ sounds like a self-hating Jew who bends over backward to excuse Jihadi atrocities that are clearly motivated by Islam.

        • Tradewinds says

          Sep 29, 2014 at 8:52 am

          I believe you’ve got Zimm pegged, Bam.

        • TH says

          Sep 29, 2014 at 4:21 pm

          I would assume that Standish did not think he was fulfilling the commandment of some sacred religious book found eternally in haven with Allah and dictated by an angel to q “prophet”.

  3. zulu says

    Sep 28, 2014 at 11:50 pm

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  4. Mirren10 says

    Sep 28, 2014 at 11:57 pm

    Good grief !!

    So, because Myles Standish decapitated someone almost **400** years ago, and Joseph Conrad wrote a **work of fiction** about a white man decapitating people, we are somehow not allowed to be horrified at what the IS is doing ?

    This Zimmerman fool should also conclude we mustn’t be horrified at the Syrian jihadist ripping out his enemy’s heart and eating it because Thomas Harris created Hannibal Lecter.

    I always think leftard academics can’t get any stupider, but they always prove me wrong.

    • mortimer says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 12:12 am

      Zimmerman would find it easy to support Hitler.

    • Fr. Basil says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 12:30 am

      And how is something that happened ONCE nearly 400 years ago the moral equivalent of what ISIS is doing today?

    • bernie says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:20 am

      The Aztecs ripped out and ate their enemies’ hearts centuries ago, but modern Mexicans don’t that anymore. And, the only people there doing beheadings are some of the savage drug cartels, though violent crime in most of Mexico has been dropping over the past few years.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 2:48 pm

        And that was only stopped by the Conquistadors under Hernan Cortes, and yet people bring up the Spanish Inquisition. That killed less than 9/11 over a period of 350 years. Islam is the biggest killer bar none – over 300 million infidels and millions more Muslims over the last 14 centuries, and you can bet Islam has killed more Muslims than what any other religion has done.

      • TH says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 pm

        The Aztecas not only extracted and ate the hearts of their enemies but of thousands of their own children every year. Cortés put a quick stop to that and the ordinary folk, once converted to Christianity, easily realized that it is a far superior religion than the Aztec one it replaced. The Spaniards also founded the first universities of the New World in Mexico and Peru.

  5. Tradewinds says

    Sep 28, 2014 at 11:58 pm

    Why do liberals’ brains turn to mush when it comes to Islam?

    • citycat says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 12:24 am

      Because Liberals can’t deal with the fact that one bad Allah can spoil the barrel of multiculturism?

      • ECAW says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 2:28 am

        “one bad Allah can spoil the barrel of multiculturism”

        Nice – I’ll have to remember that one!

      • Bradamante says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 11:41 am

        Brilliantly put.

    • Budvarakbar says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 7:13 am

      Liberals brains do no “turn” to mush — they are mush to start with

  6. Pete Bennett says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:02 am

    The mantra of Ripley’s “Believe it or not!” program was “Truth is stranger than fiction.” Now it appears that fiction is to become truth, because of the delusional blither of some obscure Professor? For some of the easily manipulated among us possibly, but for the rest of us, I think NOT.

  7. Jack Holan says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:04 am

    What an Ass! 2014 vs 1623 Standish fight an enemy that happens to use the very same tactic. 1899 Africa deranged individual? IS is 30,000+ who are on the same page in their interpret of the Koran not all that dissimilar to that of many Muslims.

  8. Don McKellar says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:07 am

    What this PINHEAD named Zimmerman doesn’t do is to research any history he’s throwing out there. I was curious about this Myles Standish incident and, in about ten minutes, learned the background and ongoing personal conflict that Standish had with Wituwamat (whom had threatened and insulted Standish in previous encounters) and that the incident had the unintened consequences of the colony quickly being abandoned after — the colonists where completely revulsed and many were angry at Standish for his barbaric act. Standish had commited the murder believing he was premepting an attack which intelligence sources had assured him was soon to happen from Wituwamat and his companion warriors — and then he went too far and was repudiated for it. The local Pastor was furious at his actions and denounced his brutality.

    You will notice that there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO to compare the action of this lone, vicious character from long ago, and the institutionalized, Islamic text sanctioned, fully approved by ISIS beheadings. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Zimmerman displays complete idiocy and incompetance for a professor of anything. He is a joke and makes NYU look like a joke.

    In 10 minutes I have destroyed this retard’s argument by simply looking up the facts and context.

    • Don McKellar says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 12:09 am

      I see I should have spent a couple more minutes proofreading my post before a submit, so sorry about the typos.

      • John C. Barile says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 12:52 am

        GREAT POINT. Context is everything. There really isn’t any equivalence between us and them in the 21st (Christian) Century.

      • The Vilest of Creatures says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 10:26 am

        Don,

        The enormous destruction you did to this academic pinhead’s narrative far outweighs any ‘typos’ you had.

        Bravo!

    • Kepha says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 5:01 am

      Thanks for the history lesson, Don. Interesting to note that the Puritan colonists, those demons incarnate to the EmCeePeeCee crowd, felt revulsion about the murder of someone they presumably saw as a “heathen” and “savage”.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 30, 2014 at 9:59 am

      *Excellent* post, Don.

  9. mortimer says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:08 am

    Moral relativism like this is REPREHENSIBLE! Would he say the same thing about Auschwitz?

    Don’t worry, be happy.

    Some ethicist in NYU should take Zimmerman to task and reveal the extreme shallowness of his arguments.

    Great evil like ISIS must be opposed and stopped. Islam is the source of ISIS. We must stop this theocratic totalitarianism at the erroneous source. Philosophers have the duty to do so.

  10. Wolfgang says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:14 am

    the one ” good ” thing about a resurgent Caliphate coming to the West and subduing us all ( excluding those who are not dead first with a mountain of spent cases around their bodies behind mounds of dead Jihadists ) is that left wing retards like this overpaid socialist party mouthpiece will be lined up early to be beheaded by ISIS . I would say that would be something great to see ! ( no pun intended )

    • umbra says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 6:05 am

      When the war finally and formally begins, many of these leftists will likely lined up on the other side with their weapons.

  11. Champ says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:33 am

    “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.” — Isaiah 5:20

  12. mortimer says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:38 am

    The enemy is now within the gate. The jihadists are beheading Americans in their places of work. Apologists for evil, like Zimmerman, cannot discern what is happening. His moral vision is based on prejudice and a priori thought rather than an understanding of foundational Islam and Islamic history.

  13. Beagle says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:50 am

    Is this news to anyone, historical beheading?

    When I lived in Gainesville there was a beheading and mutilating serial killer on the loose. Fortunately, no professor there felt it necessary to place such barbarism within our multicultural mosaic, seeming to further mainstream the horrific act.

  14. Londim Jim says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:56 am

    The eminent Prof , JZ, has the feebility to take a freeshot at the ”Thanksgiving myth” . . What’s the odds on the smarmy git taking a swipe at the festival of ‘Eid’ ? Any takers ?

    • Beagle says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 2:18 am

      That’s a great point you did not explain.

      Muslims practice beheading, or at least cutting throats of animals, every Eid. Fun for the whole family, especially kids to get them used to cutting throats.

      If you dare do a Google image search. Though, after IS social media, it probably will not seem particularly gruesome any more.

  15. Salah says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 1:08 am

    Evil, ALL evil, must be opposed and stopped.
    In our relentless fight against Jihad we tend to forget that we are fighting against Evil. We cannot be serious and successful in this fight unless we ALSO fight against all forms of evil, including and especially in our societies and in our own individual hearts. Evil must be be defeated as a whole.
    Zimmerman is wrong when he compares the brutality of ISIS to the 400 year old actions of some commander. But he could have been right if he had the courage to compare ISIS’ brutality to what’s happening TODAY in our own societies, in our own families: the brutal murder of our own unborn babies.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:26 am

      Salah,
      My comments are sometimes off course so I am not the perfect one to say this.
      However, at times you seem to be trying to appeal to right wing conservatives.
      You drift off-topic with Pro gun, anti-homosexual, anti-abortion statements that don’t really reflect the topic at hand.
      On the other hand your comments about Islamic ideology are insightful.

      • Davegreybeard says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 2:07 am

        @Jay Boo
        “My comments are sometimes off course…”

        Quite refreshing that you have shared that insight with us Jay Boo. I did not think you had it in you, but here you have proved me wrong.

      • Salah says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 11:54 am

        @ Jay Boo
        “..at times you seem to be trying to appeal to right wing conservatives.”

        Let’s say I’m trying to appeal to our Judeo-Christian values: sanctity of life, sanctity of marriage, golden rule and so on. (i.e. the foundations of the Western Civilization.)

  16. Jay Boo says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 1:13 am

    This pawn probably has Hague Hajji connections pulling his strings.

  17. Champ says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 1:39 am

    The savagery that you see on those YouTube videos isn’t just in Islamic State, or in some other enemy that you fear and despise. It’s in you too.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Oh, so this savagery is in me, too? Ok, I’ve done some soul-searching on his claim, and I can honestly state that it has **never, ever** occured to me–not even for one second–to go out and behead someone in cold blood; and I’m certain that many of us here would state the same thing. So his claim that we’re all savages is a bald-faced lie. Hey I know that I’m stating the obvious, but I just couldn’t resist …

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 2:29 am

      Champ
      I believe,
      In a very general (biological) sense Muslims are not inherently different than anyone else and the first sentence attests to this fact. The problem is that the author tries to extrapolate this to Islam.
      While evil behavior can exist without Islam, Islam cannot exist without evil behavior. Islam needs to continually find ‘enemies’ to hate just to exist. Even though Islam itself is not THE evil, it is the vain ideology and EXCUSE used to rationalize evil.
      When Islamic vanity faces the reality of Islam’s emptiness Muslim’s use Islam as the excuse behead someone in cold blood just to feed their wounded vanity.

      • Bezelel says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 10:31 pm

        JayBoo, You have described the traits that I label Ego Parasitic. It is inherently necessary for a supremacist to have someone to be superior to.

    • somehistory says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 3:06 am

      Hey, Champ,
      I too must say, I too can’t resist it. I don’t even need to do any searches of my heart to know I have no desire to cut someone’s head off.

      I do sometimes wish to verbally slap people like this guy, however. He is too ignorant to realize just how stupid what he wrote is. Insulting everyone as though it will make what islam is teaching people to do not quite so bad, not quite so evil.
      Foolish, foolish, Zimmerman and any who listen and believe his assertions. It won’t make it all just go away.

      • Tradewinds says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 7:40 am

        “I do sometimes wish to verbally slap people like this guy, however. He is too ignorant to realize just how stupid what he wrote is. Insulting everyone as though it will make what islam is teaching people to do not quite so bad, not quite so evil.”

        You are so right. Comparing us morally to the Mohammedans – what a jackazz.

        Agree with you Champ – I have no desire to do anything of the kind. This lefty professor should leave his sheltering ivory tower and go hang out with the islamic barbarians. He’ll soon change his “moral relativism” tune.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 7:52 am

      Excellent comment, Champ !

      I think this Zimmerman is doing a bit of projection here. I would bet Zimmerman and his ilk would be more than capable of sawing off all our heads, or putting a bullet through them, in the name of Marx and the greater good.

  18. Jay Boo says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 2:12 am

    This joke is not halal in Holland.

    A Jew, a Christian and a Muslim enter into dialog.
    The Jew says I will agree to show respect to Christianity and Islam.
    The Christian says I will agree to show respect to Judaism and Islam.

    The Muslim says great we all are in agreement to respect Islam.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 30, 2014 at 10:07 am

      Great joke! Very telling.

  19. John Collignon says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 4:41 am

    Rather funny strange how so-called intelligent people have so little common sense. They believe everything and nothing . I believe extreme egoism reigns in the intellectual’s world and his haughtiness is his downfall. Proclaiming themselves wise, they became fools.

  20. bicky says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 4:49 am

    That was in 1623, about 400 years ago, not now, So why are talking about something which happened so long ago.

  21. Rezali Mehil says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 5:01 am

    All,

    I have been on this site for a while and I have read many things but a couple of key points.

    1) Belonging to Islam everybody says that I need help … but it seems to me that actually *you* are the ones that need the help. It is not believers that may slaughter kufr…hell kufr are lining themselves up…soon in American …kufr will be *asking* which line to join.

    2) Americans here have been saying that they are a country apart…that they are armed to the teeth and cannot be defeated. Recent day events show that beheading will become common place in America (like elsewhere) … and it will never be the fault of Islam (thank you for understanding that).

    America is and will be no different to any other country …e.g. Iraq is full of weapons …and it’s trained army is falling like nine pins. Your weapons will make only a little difference in time.

    3) In the coming years you will be asked to join Islam or pay Jizyah. For those of you who decide to come over to Islam (thank you) ..remember when you recite the Shahada to say at the end (even if it is in your mind…and Ali is his friend) so that your conversion is to Shia and not Sunni.

    Remember your soul will at that *instant* take a different direction for ever…you will then always belong to the ummah, you will have rights, but relatives from your past lives will no longer welcome you when you die…instead you will be part of a new much larger family …the family of Muhammad SAW and an Abdullah of Allah SWT.

    You can start by trying to get the famed mark on your head (grannie champ – I hear that pale sink marks really easy anyway) in this lifetime.

    4) As the Greek archbishop said the other day “surely your children will belong to Islam”…it is what I have been saying here for some time.

    You did not take offence to the archbishop for saying that …so don’t offence when I tell you the truth either.

    More Later …

    Rezali

    • duh_swami says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 5:52 am

      Is there some way you can get lost and stay there? What a bunch of bilge you write.

      • Tradewinds says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 7:41 am

        swami – I wouldn’t even bother reading the Muslim’s bilge.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 8:14 am

      Hey, rezali, me old son !

      You couldn’t tell the truth under any circumstances ! All you’ve got are your sick mohammedan fantasies, which will *never* come to pass, too bad, how sad, for you and all your vile co-religionists ! 🙂

      Your posts are consistently nauseating, I’ll say that for you;a a bit like the old lady, who, when asked if the devil had any virtues, replied he was “persevering”. 🙂

      But carry on posting your drivel, sweetipud, you provide a window into the evil mohammedan mind set, which is always illuminating and useful !

      And you *still* refuse t take my advice ! What’s *wrong* with you ? (apart from being a mohammedan, of course, you poor old thing) Get your arse over to Syria, and help out your shiite bros – short skip and a jump from pakiland !

      You could take the wifies with you; I’ll bet they’d *love* to do sexual jihad with some smelly, hairy ‘mujahedeens, and while they’re busy, you can measure and compare beards with the rest, while they’re waiting their turn !

      More later, chumbawumba !

    • Tim says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 10:04 am

      Rezali,

      We don’t want to be part of your murderous “family” of pedophiles, invaders and criminals.

      Frankly its time for you savages to stop oppressing and victimizing us. We’ve dealt with 1,400 years of your endless aggression and attacks into our countries and societies that wiped out half of our population through history. Enough is enough.

      You forget that there’s a 3 billion population who want nothing to do with Islam and you’re not popular amongst nearly any of these 3 billion people… If you imagine you will fight that, keep dreaming!

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 11:41 am

      Rezali, I pray that God helps you to find your way out of your darkness and leads you into His light ……. even if it may happen only at the final hour of your life.

    • Bradamante says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 11:42 am

      I will die before I join the sickness that you represent.

    • Rob Crawford says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 11:47 am

      Mohammed orders you to behead unbelievers, and you say it has nothing to do with Islam?

      Why do Muslims lie so casually and so frequently?

      • Rob Crawford says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 11:51 am

        I will not convert, I will not pay jizyah. So what option is left?

        You can leave me and my homeland alone, or you can find out how we will answer the orders given by your demon-ridden “prophet”.

    • john spielman says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 12:52 pm

      yes Rezali YOU ARE RIGHT, one’s soul will immediately take a different direction as soon as one bcomes a muslim-the direction is called HELL!
      PS if I were you I wouldn’t advertize that you are shia- ISIS may be monitoring this web site and you are physically closer to them than i am!

    • don vito says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 2:32 pm

      rez, I’m thinking that the families of the victims of pure Islamic jihad would wish to thank you for your expression of concern and empathy for them. Like all moslems, worrying about innocent victims, brings out the best of character that you and other moslems, worldwide, demonstrate on a daily basis. Your headsup analysis, helps all Kufrs understand their future better. When Kufrs join with islam no ones head will be safe! Any praise I wrote of you, rez, was tequila(sic).

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 3:05 pm

      Yes, the middle east is full of weapons…. Not spread out in the general population, but in the hands of the criminals who are devout muslims (RTC), which is not the case in the US. The only region in the middle east where non-criminals have guns is the nation of Israel. And they seem to be outnumbered thousands to one, and they rule their own very full and rich lives, as just, decent and honourable people should. You lose again, moron.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 30, 2014 at 12:04 am

      The vile Rezali Mehil wrote:

      All,

      I have been on this site for a while and I have read many things but a couple of key points.

      1) Belonging to Islam everybody says that I need help … but it seems to me that actually *you* are the ones that need the help. It is not believers that may slaughter kufr…hell kufr are lining themselves up…soon in American …kufr will be *asking* which line to join.

      2) Americans here have been saying that they are a country apart…that they are armed to the teeth and cannot be defeated. Recent day events show that beheading will become common place in America (like elsewhere) … and it will never be the fault of Islam (thank you for understanding that).
      ………………………………………..

      The foul Rezali Mehil says that it is not believers who will slaughter kufr, then she gleefully chortles over the specter of her violent coreligionists beheading us. More Muslim “logic”.

      And then the usual—the idea that it isn’t the fault of the poor Innocent Muslims when they behead journalists, aid workers, or food workers.

      After all, “Allah” made them do it…

      As she sees it, if we “let” them behead us, then we deserve it…

      More:

      America is and will be no different to any other country …e.g. Iraq is full of weapons …and it’s trained army is falling like nine pins. Your weapons will make only a little difference in time.
      ………………………………………..

      More sneering and threats.

      But it was an armed American who brought this beheader down—poor Rezali doesn’t like to think about that…

      More:

      3) In the coming years you will be asked to join Islam or pay Jizyah. For those of you who decide to come over to Islam (thank you)…remember when you recite the Shahada to say at the end (even if it is in your mind…and Ali is his friend) so that your conversion is to Shia and not Sunni.
      ………………………………………..

      Good God, *what gall*. First she lets us know that her vicious coreligonists will threaten us with death or humiliated dhimmitude, and then she asks that we convert to her own sect of Mohammedanism—even though those threatening us would just statistically almost certainly be Sunni, and would murder us if they thought we were converting to a “heretical” sect.

      And why? so that she and her fellow Shia can use us as cannon-fodder when—as she hopes—Islam takes over completely and the showdown between these two equally repulsive sects can really heat up. *Ugh*.

      More:

      Remember your soul will at that *instant* take a different direction for ever…you will then always belong to the ummah, you will have rights…
      ………………………………………..

      Which you will *not* have if you choose to remain an Infidel. Chances are, in fact, that you would have been murdered.

      And yes—your soul *would* take a different direction forever—as you would be expected to threaten your former family and friends, to wage violent Jihad, to rape unbelievers and press them into slavery, to condone the rape of little girls, and to “Honor Kill” any of your new coreligionists who are deemed “insufficiently Islamic”.

      More:

      …but relatives from your past lives will no longer welcome you when you die…
      ………………………………………..

      Actually, it is *Muslims* who reject their Kuffar families. And if a Muslim leaves Islam, his family will *kill him*.

      More:

      instead you will be part of a new much larger family …the family of Muhammad SAW and an Abdullah of Allah SWT.

      You can start by trying to get the famed mark on your head (grannie champ – I hear that pale sink marks really easy anyway) in this lifetime.
      ………………………………………..

      What the vile Rezali Mehil means is that these new converts can smack their heads on the floor repeatedly until it leaves a mark—the “Zebiba”, which is a sign of a pious headbanger. It is also, of course, a sign of brain damage…

      And here she is, singling out the Champ for special sneering and gloating. And why? Because Rezali Mehil *knows* that this good, decent, and brave woman is a far greater human being than she could ever hope to be.
      And so, like any pious Muslim, she hopes to humiliate her some day. *Disgusting*.

      More:

      4) As the Greek archbishop said the other day “surely your children will belong to Islam”…it is what I have been saying here for some time.
      ………………………………………..

      That is *not* what the Bishop said. He said “Your children will surely be slaves of Muslims”.

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/greek-bishop-your-children-will-surely-be-slaves-of-muslims

      More:

      You did not take offence to the archbishop for saying that …so don’t offence when I tell you the truth either.
      ………………………………………..

      Of course we did not take offense—the Bishop was offering a warning of what would happen if we do not face the threat of Islam.

      The repulsive Rezali Mehil, on the other hand, is just gloating in anticipation of our suffering at the hands of her barbaric fellow Muslims. *Ugh*.

      • Champ says

        Sep 30, 2014 at 2:24 pm

        Dear Graven …thank you so much for your kind words, my friend!

        xo,
        Champ

  22. JIMJFOX says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 5:01 am

    So this is what education produces?

    “tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well-developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.”
    — Sir Peter Medawar

    • Tradewinds says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 8:56 am

      It’s not “education” – it’s specifically LEFTIST education. Which is running amok in the 21st century.

  23. Angemon says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 5:27 am

    The savagery that you see on those YouTube videos isn’t just in Islamic State, or in some other enemy that you fear and despise. It’s in you too.

    Well, after reading that drivel, I DO feel like hitting someone on the head to kickstart their brain…

  24. duh_swami says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 6:02 am

    It’s in you too.

    Who is this guy to psychoanalyze anyone? Did someone actually pay him to write that garbage? If that’s the case, he is way overpaid. I didn’t know professor training included mind reading classes.

  25. philip zhao says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 6:15 am

    As an outsider on the other side of the Pacific, I see clearly that America will soon be totally Dearbornized, and The United States will become The Divided States of Islamic America –the beginning of the New World Order !

    • Rob Crawford says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 11:53 am

      You may want to check how few Muslims there really are in the US, compared to the rest of the population.

      • Mirren10 says

        Sep 30, 2014 at 10:57 am

        And your point is ?

  26. jewdog says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 6:50 am

    Multiculturalism and its corollary, moral equivalence, are so de rigueur in academia that it has become a ludicrous stereotype, utterly belying the concept of intellectual diversity that a university is supposed to promote.
    Excusing ISIS this way was predictable. I just wondered what the arguments would be.

  27. R Davis says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 9:07 am

    The Greeks & Romans used beheading with a sword or an axe, as a cheap & practical method of execution. The Roman Empire beheaded it’s citizens whilst crucified others. be heading was used widely in Europe & Asia until the 20th century, now it is confined to Saudi Arabia & Iran.
    Beheading continued in Britain till 1747, Norway 1905, Sweden 1903, Denmark 1892, France 1792, China till the 20th century, Japan 19th century.
    Beheading requires a skilled headsman, several blows are required to sever the head, ittook 3 blows with an axe to remove Mary Queen of Scot’s head at Fotheringhay Castle in 1587.
    HERE’S THE THING –
    It is not easy to remove someones head – certainly not as easy as slicing the throat with a large sharp knife.
    SO I WONDER –
    Are we the people being lied to …/?

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 30, 2014 at 12:21 am

      Long ago beheading was used as a form of execution for convicted criminals—largely murderers. And it was done—as you note—by skilled swordsmen in order to *reduce suffering* as much as possible. This was the express purpose of the guillotine, in fact.

      What these pious Muslims are doing could not be more different. Not only are they targeting innocent people—journalists, aid workers, food workers—but they are *cutting their throats* before severing their heads.

      This is intended to be both terribly painful and utterly horrifying for the victims.

      • Bezelel says

        Sep 30, 2014 at 11:19 am

        The method of beheading that the islamists use is for pleasure for the murderer and the psychological effect. The religion of sociopaths.

  28. Arafat says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Speaking of NYU:

    http://www.nyunews.com/2014/09/29/gazelle-12/

    Add a comment to the above article. Don’t let NYU get away with this!

  29. R Davis says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Remember how you cut up a whole chicken for cooking.
    It is fiddly & it is only a leg joint.
    Imagine the head of a live human being
    Spine & all
    With blood squirting all over the place.

    • Rob Crawford says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 11:55 am

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s all a lie, he didn’t do it, we’re being lied to. Take you taqiyya and put it sideways where the sun doesn’t shine except during your prayers.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 30, 2014 at 12:25 am

      More crap from R Davis—who wants us to believe that dozens of major news sources are lying about this, as well as the police and FBI…

    • Bezelel says

      Sep 30, 2014 at 11:25 am

      R Davis, Why don’t you imagine having your brains spattered into the atmosphere by 5.56 ?

  30. zulu says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 9:55 am

    OT

    British Islamic State suspect arrested in Bangladesh

    Detectives in Bangladesh say they have uncovered a British-led Isil recruitment cell in the capital Dhaka

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11127358/British-Islamic-State-suspect-arrested-in-Bangladesh.html

  31. Tim says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 10:00 am

    1623?? Can Jonathan Zimmerman get real here! We’re in 2014 and not 1623.

    What a pathetic attempt to justify extreme racism from a war ideology that has been mis-categorized as a religion, giving it unhindered freedom to bypass all laws and regulations.

  32. Ken D says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Why didn’t I find a comment pointing out the implicit racism in Zimmerman’s piece? (Or did I just overlook it?)
    His “reasoning” to the effect that as long as it was the “other” doing the beheading we needn’t feel implicated, but, because he can find an example from American history where the act was committed by a white, that all latter-day American whites therefore have this evil “within us”?
    Notice that he makes no mention of morality,religion,philosophy or psychology.His entire argument is predicated on racial history (and not simply cultural history, which, broadly speaking, America shares with the UK).
    His line is nothing more than racial intrinsicism and determinism.

    In other words, garbage.

    • mortimer says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 11:08 am

      In other words, post-colonial guilt.

      The noble savages now have a RIGHT to destroy Europeans. Their turn…and they are not accountable to the same high standards.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      Yes, Prof. Zimmerman’s Reverse Racism implicit in his Ego Quoque fallacy is, unfortunately, common and mainstream throughout the West.

      While the majority of Western Conservatives may not do it with as much relish as the Leftist Professor, they nonetheless countenance, and at the very least passively comply with and therefore help to enable, the essence (and reckless effects) of this fallacious logic.

  33. Ralph says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Hey; give this Liberal Idiot a break… You do know that he Voted for this Black Muslim President and follows him to Hell…

  34. Lawrence says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Whatever else is true one wonders why this alleged intelligent man doesn;t find any difference in the fact that he had to reach bak several hundred years to recover an obscure and unique event and today all you have to do is to face Mecca and look out the window and you gaze will cover a hundred beheadings.

  35. Dennis says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Western cultures as a whole have long progressed beyond the days of Miles Standish and the Pilgrim fathers. Islam has not. Liberals will use any excuse to defend Islam’s ongoing and unapologetic barbarism. Islam has never evolved beyond the middle ages and shows little sign of change.

  36. alan says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 11:12 am

    One incident does not make a characteristic. Every sane person has similar characteristics to those of a psychopath, but the psychopath cannot control the characteristics and exhibits them frequently. Beheading is a characteristic of moslem terrorists, not to say they are the only ones who ever did it.

  37. wtd says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Nearly a decade ago, Hugh Fitzgerald wrote the following timeless comment posted to a thread discussing the unfolding scene in which Theo Van Gogh was murdered (10th anniversary approaching 11/2) and was practically beheaded in broad daylight . . .

    One begins to feel, at this thread, the whiff of the 1930s. . .

    [snip]

    …In all of this, the Nazis and the Communists, the street violence, and the agitation, the Brownshirts of Roehm, the Balilla of Mussolini, the agitated and crazed atmosphere, from the kidnapping of General Miller by the Reds, to Willi Munzenberg and the Comintern, to Ernst Roehm, and the Night of the Long Knives, and all the propaganda put out by Goebbels, including the Prussian Junkers sent abroad to allay any fears of their fellow classmates in pre-war Oxford or Harvard — all of this is somehow summoned up. But there are major differences. First, this time the carriers of the crazed belief-system, can hide behind its shapeshifting qualty — and call it merely a “religion” and pretend that it is only a “handful of extremists” who are the problem. And second, and still more unfortunate, is the failure to maintain standards in the teaching of history and literature in the Western world, which in turn means that few young people possess the knowledge, or have had training in the use of words, or in the exercise of their imagination, that close study of literary texts can sometimes provide, and that would do much to help in the right formulation of policy. Third, and most worrisome, is that many Believers in this hostile belief-system have alreeady been admitted, to live, deep behind our own, our Infidel lines — and we, the Infidels, and those whose duty it is to instruct us, mostly refuse to see things as they are and to grasp at straws, and substitute wishes for reality. It is not the likes of Gilles Kepel who can help us, but Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye’or, and some of those right here at Jihadwatch.

  38. ML/NJ says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 11:48 am

    “Practice of beheading not limited to Islamic State”

    Well, it is now.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      Actually, his sentence is correct. Beheading is not limited to ISIS: Muslims outside of ISIS in various capacities — either razzia commando missions (e.g., to adduce just one example of many one could pluck from a songkok, the beheadings in 2005 of three Christian girls in Indonesia by a cell of Muslims led by one named Basri affiliated with the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah ), lone wolf jihads, or state-sponsored enforcement of Sharia law — do it too.

      • Mirren10 says

        Sep 29, 2014 at 1:51 pm

        It’s got nothing to do with IS, except periphally. You, of all people, should know this.

        It is all islam, islam, islam. Stop playing stupid word games, we * all* know what islam is.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 29, 2014 at 4:09 pm

          Huh? That’s what I said:

          Concerning the professor’s sentence — “Practice of beheading not limited to Islamic State” — I wrote:

          “Actually, his sentence is correct. Beheading is not limited to ISIS: Muslims outside of ISIS in various capacities … do it too.”

          I don’t know why Mirren is taking me to task for saying the precise opposite of what I in fact, and plainly, said.

  39. watchful says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 11:58 am

    According to Zimmerman “American troops decapitated a Japanese soldier in 1945 and propped his head on their tank for a picture.” Just one thing wrong, everything. It wasn’t 1945, but Guadalcanal, 1943. The picture was published. And according to the photographer, Ralph Morse: “and there was a tank with a skull on it, right near the turret. The sergeant leading the patrol looks at it and says, ‘Guys, that skull has been put there for a reason, and the Japanese have probably got mortar shells aimed right at this spot.’ A disgusting scene like that will always draw people in, and the idea, of course, was that any American troops who came along would obviously want to stop and take a look.” Thusly, the soldier was not decapitated by an American soldier. I wonder what other lies are within the op-ed. Read for yourself: http://life.time.com/history/guadalcanal-world-war-2-rare-and-classic-photos/?iid=lf%7Clatest#1

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      Thanks for that corrective. One wonders if Prof. Zimmerman is an incompetent, like his peer Cornel West of Princeton, or is more cleverly a practitioner of Dezinformatsia.

    • wtd says

      Sep 29, 2014 at 1:45 pm

      Thank you to both Robert & ‘watchful’ for posting these details utterly debunking the moral evquivalence from yet another ‘intellectual’ from academia.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 30, 2014 at 12:31 am

      Thanks, watchful.

  40. nojihad says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    So there is no difference between Mother Teresa and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Oh, thank you so much for the ethical insight. Now, my enlightenment has reach to a professor level.

  41. R Cole says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Yeah, but what time is it?

    It is the 21 century and we are marred by religious wars – specially Islamic holy wars – or jihad.

    Try to talk about the beheadings in Islam’s history – the professor would otherwise be occupied.

    We have heard it all of late from Muslims – but talk about Islam’s history – of the half a billion – who did not convert – and witnessed the sharp side of the religion’s sword – and those like the professor would stand aside as you are called a racist – decidedly leaving the majority uninformed.

    Let’s have some equality in recounting history.

    Not these shari’a complaint discussions.

    Where only we pay the jizya.

  42. M. de La Garde says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    Wow. Liberals and the left can be very astute at pointing out problems and issues with our economic system. However, they are myopic in their understanding of world issues, far too often reducing everything to economic motivators, historical materialism MUST account for everything……

    The fact is, this individual seems to be driving home a very simplistic argument; ‘we used to decapitate people, so we should be less critical of those who decapitate now.’ Yes, decapitation is nowadays considered a terrible form of execution, one that the West rejects. However, not so long ago, it was considered appropriate.

    But it is not only the form of execution that is reprehensible, it is the reason. Put an unjust and morally unacceptable motive together with a brutal, and to us, outdated form of killing together, and you have the actions of ISIS and others. Keep in mind, ISIS has plenty of bullets. But they choose decapitation not only for shock value, not because they are trying to protest the actions of Myles Standish 400 years ago, they choose decapitation because it is specifically called for in their holy books. It is high time that pseudo-intellectuals like this professor stop ignoring the facts so that they can score points with misguided undergraduates and other ignorant people. I’d like to see both the left and the right united on a realistic understanding of the dangers of Islam inherent in their holy texts.

  43. SpiritOf1683 says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Churchill summed up buffoons like him back in 1933:

    “The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage-earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country, who, if they add something to its culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large proportion of our politicians…. Nothing can save England if she will not save herself. If we lose faith in ourselves, in our capacity to guide and govern, if we lose our will to live, then indeed our story is told.” Winston Churchill,

  44. gravenimage says

    Sep 29, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    NYU Prof: Myles Standish beheaded too; we’re all as savage as the Islamic State
    …………………………….

    Where to start?

    Firstly, as Don McKellar ably notes, Myles Standish’s contemporaries *did not* condone his actions.

    Then, Myles Standish did not kill in the name of Christianity. The colony’s Pastor John Robinson criticized Standish for his brutality.

    Governor Bradford was also uncomfortable with his methods.

    Also, colonists often medically treated those wounded in skirmishes—*including* enemy Indian fighters.

    None of this is true in the case of Muslim beheaders, who constantly cite the model of their own “Prophet”, who beheaded up to 900 unarmed captives himself.

    And Muslims *glory* in this carnage, lining the streets of Mosul with severed heads, posting the atrocities on YouTube, and happily letting their children play with the grisly trophies.

    Then, while in no way condoning Standish’s actions, it must be acknowledged that Wituwamat actually *was* a threat to the colonists, and his own people practiced beheading.

    The same is certainly not true of the journalists and aid workers beheaded by ISIS, nor of the middle-aged woman food workers beheaded by a pious Muslim in Oklahoma.

    And finally, Myles Standish was acting *almost 400 years ago*.

    The West is quite a bit more civilized now than she was centuries ago—not so the Muslim world, which wants to see morals return to the barbaric days of the Dark Ages.

  45. gravenimage says

    Sep 30, 2014 at 12:43 am

    Not surprisingly, Jonathan Zimmerman can be found here, sneering at attempts to ban Shari’ah law in the US:

    http://rt.com/usa/156036-one-nation-allah-pledge-hysteria/

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