If Sunni states do take up arms against the Islamic State, it will not be because “that’s not what Islam is about,” but because it is not in the interests of states like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to acknowledge a caliph and give up their sovereignty, and because significant elements of the populations of Egypt and Turkey don’t want to live under Islamic law, such that the governments of both states (despite Turkey’s not-so-secret support for the nascent caliphate) may find it in their interests to take down the Islamic State.
“Obama outlines strategy to ‘ultimately destroy’ Islamic State,” by Kathleen Hennessey, Los Angeles Times, September 5, 2014 (thanks to Darcy):
The United States and its allies aim to “degrade and ultimately destroy” the militant group Islamic State, President Obama said Friday as he began to outline a U.S. strategy focused on gathering partners from Sunni Arab states and aiding fighters on the region’s front lines.
“Our goal is to act with urgency but also make sure that we’re doing it right, that we have the right targets, that there’s support on the ground … that we have a strong political coalition,” Obama said at a news conference as a NATO summit wrapped up in Wales.
In one respect, his remarks were a damage-control effort aimed at undoing the political problems he caused last week by saying that his administration did not yet have a strategy to combat the militant group, at least in the territory it controls in Syria. They also served as a rebuttal to a growing chorus of critics who’ve described Obama’s foreign policy as deliberative to the point of dithering.
Obama provided a window on what he described as his “developing strategy,” one that has expanded far beyond the initial goals of protecting U.S. personnel and reaching stranded refugees.
One major piece of the strategy for weakening the threat from Islamic State, Obama and aides said, will be the support and participation of the neighbors of Syria and Iraq.
“It is absolutely critical that we have Arab states, and specifically Sunni-majority states, that are rejecting the kind of extremist nihilism that we’re seeing out of ISIL, that say, ‘That is not what Islam is about,’ and are prepared to join us actively in the fight,” Obama said, using one of the acronyms for Islamic State….
mortimer says
Lessee…ISIS, like Saudi Arabia, wants strict Sharia law, repression of women and minorities, cruel punishments, the spread of Islam as a politico-religious party, the Salafist interpretation of Islam…
They seem to have lots in common. Why would the Saudis stop the spread of their own political ideology and religious sect?
Joan C. says
Exactly…and he wants koran reading countries to join the coalition??
“It is absolutely critical that we have Arab states, and specifically Sunni-majority states, that are rejecting the kind of extremist nihilism that we’re seeing out of ISIL, that say, ‘That is not what Islam is about,’ and are prepared to join us actively in the fight,” Obama said
What part of the koran will these sunni’s be reading, since all muslims are so”peace loving” …NOT
I see a lot of british and americans, and other non muslim people, getting executed in this great coalition, while Isis is standing there laughing.
JIMJFOX says
Because Saudi is terrified of an ISIS take-over followed by the extinction of the House of Saud.
mortimer says
Bingo.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
… the Salafist interpretation of Islam
Remember that the only thing in Islam up for interpretation is the level of activism. The Holy Ko-Ran is plain as day in explicit terms exactly what is meant by its texts, what the plan is, and why. The Hah-Deaths illuminate this in recounting the life and deeds of the Holy Prophet, he acted the Holy Ko-Ran out every hour of every day, in spades.
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Whoa, John Kerry was pretty fired up yesterday in Wales. He strongly hinted that anybody who doesn’t believe Islam is a good thing that’s been hijacked is an idiot. Gee, I always went by the assumption that Kerry was an idiot, a Yale man who desecrated the Navy with his uppity illusions, a gigolo who probably is not as good as he is wealthy, but he made his money the old fashioned way: in bed.
No, John, I think it is ok to question the whole of Islam, to open doubt and even denounce its very nature. Sir.
mortimer says
Kerry is one of many politicians who is UNACQUAINTED with the three vital doctrines of the jihadists: 1) jihad 2) the kafir 3) abrogation.
He cannot explain or negotiate with what he fails to understand on its own terms.
Jay Boo says
Obama is in effect insulting the Qur’an and Muhammad and Islam.
Obama is saying that the early peaceful verses including the three chick Mecca verse (Satan tricked Muhammad) should take precedence and to hell with Allah and all his followers.
mortimer says
Obama is insulting the intelligence of all the leaders of the Arabian Peninsula. They understand Islam perfectly. It is a warrior cult.
Joan C. says
I would say this was hilarious, but it’s too sad. First this sentence in this article of what obummer said…..”“It is absolutely critical that we have Arab states, and specifically Sunni-majority states, “…….uuumm….are there different versions of the Koran that these “Arab” and “Sunni states” read, that I don’t know about? Ok, fine…their not all koran reading, cut off your head if you don’t convert, evil terrorists. Go ahead and let them join the coalition. ….I’d warn every non-muslim country to NOT join this coalition, if obummer is going to allow head chopping people in it!!! Oh, I’m sorry…these are the “peaceful religion” ones…
cliffface says
Arab states and majority sunni states seem to produce a lot of people that want to move out and that’s about all.
I would find it hard to mourn the demise and extinction of a seventh century cult of supremacist land stealing liars.
Lucky that all Arabs are not mohammedans and the ones that are won’t be able to rely on the west to swallow their lies for much longer.
It is clear that obama’s priority is for sunni islam to not only survive but to dominate all people.
Your leader is the best liar in the house.
Anon says
“that’s not what Islam is about,”
Translation: ISIS *IS* what Islam is about, they are following the unholy Quran more closely that anyone else, but it would be nice if Islam WASN’T about such things, i.e. reform, which doesn’t seem to be happening, reform which doesn’t seem to be proliferated by the most prominent Muslim leaders, at this juncture.
mortimer says
ISIS is meticulously and self-consciously SUNNITE, SALAFITE ISLAM.
It is the purest form of Islamic puritanism.
Dawn Davis says
I can sum it up in two words:
We’re doomed.
Wellington says
Not yet. Though jokers like Obama and Cameron will have to be replaced by Western leaders who no longer treat Islam as something good. This will still take years and Islam will thus unfortunately still get away with a lot of shit, but I don’t see long term how Islam will prevail over truth and a vast portion of the West’s population which will have come to be thoroughly, utterly sick of Islam.
Short term I’m a pessimist. Long term I’m an optimist. Besides, better dead than dominated by Muslims, so why ever give up?
SallyA says
@ Dawn & Wellington – I can relate to the feeling of “we’re doomed.” I can also relate to “Not yet,” particularly when four sheriff’s patrol cars showed up quickly today for what was only a 3-car accident blocking traffic on my usual highway route.
As much as the feds may try to sell us out through Obama’s attempted dictatorship in the US, the system of state, county and city government law enforcement will be difficult if not impossible to destroy even by Obama. Not that his administration won’t try. It’s why Ferguson was fomented federally into a rallying cry among uninformed ‘anti-racism conflated with anti-Islamophobe’ liberals to try to scale back the weaponized local law enforcement personnel. There’s a congressional study now, Holder’s lawsuits, hand wringing. But I don’t think Obama will succeed, because the human tendency to build turf, and the basic toughness of cops from highway patrol to city beats and sheriff’s deputies, has made a strong subculture of local law enforcement across most of the US. There are also private security guards who want to be cops! If you follow Jesus or otherwise pray to God (not Allah), may I suggest prayer for the non-federal law enforcement tactics, awareness, strategies and continued resources to protect us (even if the feds won’t) against Islamic terrorism. And same for folks in other countries.
With the federal government currently in the Muslim Brotherhood’s pocket in the US, it’s in our self-defense interests, conservative or liberal, to want our non-federal law enforcement to be as robust as possible against the real and literally made threats of Islamic terrorism on US soil.
BC says
As I have said before the thing which will stop the spread of Islam is the hedonism tendency ie. Most people like to enjoy themselves. They like to dance and sing, have a few drinks, eat what they like, dress how they like, even have sex with people to whom they are not married !
On the other hand Muslims believe life should be a vale of suffering and tears (like Christianity at one time) see Khomeini’s famous description on Islam. Hey life is tough enough anyway, religions just try to sell you a fable that the ‘next life’ will be much better. Anybody with a brain is not going to buy that pig in a poke.
Jay Boo says
I see the point you are trying to make about hedonism, but disagree about adulterers wishing to enjoy themselves.
People who cheat on their spouses are just pathetic losers.
Champ says
BC wrote:
Hey life is tough enough anyway, religions just try to sell you a fable that the ‘next life’ will be much better. Anybody with a brain is not going to buy that pig in a poke.
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Well, there are *many* Christians that believe in an afterlife …
Question: “Is there an afterlife?”
Answer: The book of Job asks the question about an afterlife very simply: “If a man dies, will he live again?” (Job 14:14). Asking the question is easy, but the difficult part is finding someone to answer the question with authority and experience. “Death and taxes” have said to be the two universals that everyone living can expect to deal with. But while everyone is handled somewhat differently by government taxation, death is the great equalizer that treats everyone the same.
More here: http://www.gotquestions.org/afterlife.html
Take care!
Kepha says
What do you mean we old-fashioned Christians think life should be a vale of tears? We think it IS, whether we like it or not (and we certainly don’t like it). In it, we are subject to the absence of divine fellowship, want of original righteousness, the miseries of this life, death itself, and the pains of Hell forever. Hence, when God offers salvation in Jesus Christ, we accept it and look forward to a new heaven and earth in which righteousness dwells.
Sounds like another victim of my fellow professional swindlers of the young–oops! Public High School History teachers.
pdxnag says
The right target? Is that like trying to hit only a particular grain of oat in a bowl of cooked oatmeal? They all look the same. It won’t change anything.
Beagle says
When Abu Bakr declared himself caliph my first thought was that relying on the surrounding Sunni states to fight IS could backfire horribly and make things worse. Armies could defect. Leaders could be toppled and, seemingly impossibly, further destabilize the Middle East.
Hope I blew that call.
SallyA says
@ Beagle – You’re prophetic. You’re also seeing it logically. When/if it turns out as you say and IS grows much larger and more dangerous to the West, all that you have seen will be stated in mock surprise by Obama and attributed to an intel failure (because Brennan has submitted, good Muslim, to the CIA seeming like clowns for the Caliphate’s purpose). Then , oh my, didn’t the little ole US misread the confusing Middle East once again. BS. They know it’s coming. It’s the plan. If IS doesn’t grow larger it will be God’s will, not the lack of pro-Islamic human (including Obama) planning.
Beagle says
Brennan is worse than useless to US national security. His gloss on jihad was right out of the heart and tongue jihad playbook. His heart take does suggest he himself has gone native.
What I do not get is Sunni leaders not seeing Abu Bakr’s existential threat to their leadership, even the very fabric and borders of their nations and kingdoms.
SallyA says
@ Beagle – 110% on point about Brennan. I keep wondering if behind the scenes all the Sunni leaders have carved out their shared leadership in the new Caliphate on a long-range plan, aided and abetted by Obama/Brennan & co., and their current public face is complex taqiyya posturing to avoid the rest of the world taking it more seriously. B/c you’re right that the other Sunni leaders should see Abu Bakr’s existential threat. Obama’s fooled much of America since 2008 so the non-American Sunnis may be fooling the rest of the world now.
Aton says
Obama is a Sunni Muslim. That is why he supported the Sunni rebels against Libya, Sunni Muslim Brotherhood against Egypt, and Sunni rebels against Syria. That is why he is supporting Sunni Saudi Arabia, the despotic Erdogan of Sunni Turkey, Sunni Hamas fighting Israel, and the Sunni rebels fighting Alawite Assad ($500 million in equipment given recently, which will all go to ISIS in Iraq.)
This is also why Obama is doing all in his power NOT to attack ISIS (no boots on the ground). ISIS is a Sunni mercinary force acting for Saudi and Qatar, but Saudi is distancing themselves from ISIS to curry favour with the West, and keep the oil money flowing.
Please note that Saudi Arabia has the largest military force in the Mid East, it is absolutely huge, with a bigger airforce than the UK. And yet Saudi has done NOTHING to combat ISIS and NOTHING to assist the fleeing Christians and Yazidi. Why? Because Sunni Saudi supports everything that ISIS is doing in the name of Sunni Islam. (ISIS are copying Muhummad’s objectives and barbaric methodology to the letter.). The only thing Saudi is afraid of, is their ISIS mercenary army getting too big for its boots and overthrowing the Saudi monarchy – the perennial fear of all who use proxy, mercinary armies.
SallyA says
@ Aton – Yes, great analysis. Thank you. It’d be wonderful if more people could see it, and know that ISIS itself is Sunni, as are most Muslims, and that Sunnis are the majority of the murderous terrorists in the world. Obama seems to have such a smirk on his face in his photos connected with Islam, as if he adores tricking Americans and cannot wait for his expected Sunni victory.
BC says
Grow up! Obama is not a dictator like Hitler or Stalin. Nobody is scared of him and his Gestapo or KGB arresting people at night. He has advisers he has to listen to and he cannot force his ideas on the other 300 + Americans
Jay Boo says
Obama’s advisers are
the Muslim Brotherhood
SallyA says
@ BC- Be civil! And try being intelligent for a change.
Champ says
Obama is a Sunni Muslim.
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Yes, methinks obama is a muslim incognito, Aton. He is playing the taqiyya game with the American people and the world; although muslims see *right* through his game, and they know that he’s a muslim, too.
SallyA says
@ Champ – Yes, very true. Like he’s speaking in code to the world’s Muslims whenever the press covers him. So pleased with his own taqiyya that he can barely contain the smirk at the rest of us through the mask of his face.
Champ says
Exactly, SallyA! And only the useful idiots for islam are being fooled by this …Creep, obama.
Kepha says
Naaaah. The O is no Muslim. The O started as a good New Left baby who grew up thinking all religions–“organized” ones, at least–are equally false; and that “spirituality” is 175% private. When he moved to South Chicago to where a church culture is still a presence, he discovered, like a good pol, that all religions, organized or otherwise, are equally useful.
I’ll readily grant that the O probably has a soft spot for Islam. But this is true of most people who are implaccably hostile to orthodox (small o deliberate) Christianity and who are so badly educated they see _The Autobiography of Malcolm X_ as a valuable literary monument.
I further guess that the O’s religious education in Islam in an Indonesian school probably did nothing for him. Every account of his observance of the religion–especially given that his stepfather was a typical “statistical” Javanese Muslim–smacks of the efforts of a new kid on the block trying very hard to fit in (and I don’t even know if the O ever learned the Indonesian language to any extant). In that, Barry Obama the child only has my sympathy; much as I am critical of the O as a politician.
Kepha says
Further, I believe that the O’s initial support of the Arab Spring and FSA was prompted by his New Left subculture’s instinctive sympathy for whoever is the rebel (as long as it’s not against the Castro brothers, the Viet Nam Labor Party, or the Chavez people in Venezuela). Add to this a deep-seated ignorance about the history and culture of the region and a slough of advisers just as ignorant, sentimental about “revolution”, and wise in their own conceit, and you have a good enough explanation for the series of missteps US policy has taken, and the asinine comments reported in the article.
SallyA says
@ Kepha – None of us really know for sure about Obama’s motives for selling us out to the Muslim Brotherhood’s ethos in his own administration and his privileging of Islam, for instance, by stripping Muslim terrorists from the FBI listing of domestic terrorists and removing training federally about Islamic terrorism. But beyond the circumstantial evidence his real brother, Malik Obama, the best man at his wedding, obviously knows the truth about Islam and the two of them are close. Here’s just one of many links about Malik’s pro-terrorist Islamic outreach as a public figure: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/30/obamas-half-brother-photo-hamas-scarf-bearing-anti/. If the link breaks just google “Malik Obama Hamas.”
Might I ask why it bothers you so much to have others opine that Pres. Obama is covertly a Muslim like his own father and brother, when everything he does and doesn’t do plays into the goal of global Islamic conquest?
fair_dinkum says
he’s just putting it out there..he knows no better.
i have to believe this, because hes obviously ignorant
SallyA says
@ fair_dinkum – You and I can agree to disagree. Obama’s appointments, his advisors, his acts and omissions, his brother Malik Obama, and a very long additional list it’s too late for me to want to type clearly point to Obama knowing exactly what he’s doing as the taqiyya/kitman leader of all time. I’m still astonished the Congress has been so co-opted in both parties by greed (or fear of beheading?) as to let him act as a virtual dictator. But Obama’s duplicity no longer surprises me. In fact he gives himself away with every new press conference once you attribute knowledge instead of ignorance to him. (Do you know how many advisors any President has and the resources to which he has access? He certainly knows everything we can all find out on the internet, and lots more.)
cliffface says
The whispers downunder will soon turn to thunder at the truth that none can deny.
The sky will not fall but through strength we will roar and the cult of islam will be denied.
Pat Gallagher says
At some point, an American administration must give up this idea that Islam is divided in its ultimate goal. The “comparatively moderate” Muslims we seek as allies today will turn against us.
Case in point: The Afghan mujahadeen who defeated the Russian aggressor looked like a faction we could support. The, “freedom fighters” we support today will be our enemies tomorrow. defeated one infidel, they moved on to the next infidel: The only good kfar is a dead far.
The Sunnis may want rid of ISIS and, to that end, use whatever resources the West will devote to that cause. The Sunnis *will* eventually turn our own resources against us, as ISIS is doing today.
jewdog says
No, the Sunni governments that oppose IS do so precisely because they, unlike President Nudnik, do know what Islam is about.
profitsbeard says
When Bush claimed that Islam is a “religion of peace” one could assume he was either an uneducated fool, or a bought and paid for shill of the Saudis or a calculating political weasel.
When Obama makes this same ludicrous claim something more is going on.
He can’t be as “uneducated a fool” as Bush about Islam, because he grew up under its influence.
If he is a shill, who are his sponsors?
And if he thinks it is to his political advantage, like Bush, to lie about Islam to mollify Muslims, then it is to our disadvantage to have someone working against Western Civilization at one of the pinnacles of power.
Gamaliel says
Obama and the State Department are afraid that if they fight ISIS they will antagonize the Muslim world. They are afraid that such a fight will be perceived as the U.S making war against Islam. Their way of trying to prevent that is to try enlist Muslims to fight against ISIS and to argue that ISIS is not Islam. Obama’s approach is to flatter Muslims as much as possible and to make speeches how they founded this country and other nonsense.
I believe that lying almost always makes things worse, not better. There is a price we pay for the way the Obama administration whitewashes Islam. It is Muslims who should fear our turning against them and not the other way around. We can’t deal with the threat we face when we refuse to face it.
Dazed & Confused says
As the world burns Obama has been sightseeing around Stone Henge. Perhaps he thought that he’d better get to it first before the Islamists targeted it as “Not Islamic”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745437/Knocked-bucket-list-Obama-makes-surprise-visit-Stonehenge-following-NATO-meeting-poses-grinning-family-walk.html
duh_swami says
Rasool Obama is the best Mahoundian President we have ever had here in the US of A. That is why he is reluctant to attack Sunni, and is trying his best to do little or nothing about ISIS.
Nobama says
Maybe the only muslims willing to have a go against ISIS are Iranian. Siding with them would be a big PR blunder and Barry’s bosses wouldn’t like it too much, either.
tpellow says
“The Islamic State’s global reach”
http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2014/09/the_islamic_state_and_the_sham.php
Philo Vaihinger says
Did he mean the beheadings? Has he been to Saudi Arabia, lately? Has heard of Saudi Arabia?
http://islamforbids.com says
If Obama could make that stick ,It would be a neat trick .But under no circumstance is this our fight . Our fight is at home stopping more from undermining the west .Once the muslim world figures out what Islam is or isn’t, then we can decide what to do .
Brian Hoff says
99.99% of the muslum worldwide donot support ISIS at all. In our mosque only one new member was showing support for ISIS untril other member have than talk with me about that. Many muslim in the mosque I goto think ISIS is nothing more than criminals.
Rinzai says
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-92-of-saudis-believe-that-islamic-state-conforms-to-the-values-of-islam-and-islamic-law
Jay Boo says
You claim that 99.99% of the Muslim worldwide do not support ISIS at all.
Mathematically that would be 10, 000 Muslims minus the one you mentioned in order to make that correlation with your mosque.
You must be attending a very large mosque.
Either that or you simply made up the 99.99%
let me guess?
SallyA says
@ Brian Hoff — Then please let us know that you have had your mosque immediately hold a press conference with CAIR and the MB in supportive attendance to report your mosque’s filming for immediate Youtube, facebook and twitter upload the training session at your mosque for how what ISIS is doing has nothing to do with the Koran or any other aspect of Islam and is therefore criminal and not to be followed by any Muslims or prospective Muslim converts from your mosque. You’ll do that, right?
Champ says
99.99% of the muslum worldwide donot support ISIS at all.
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BWAHAAHAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! …oh my gosh thanks for the belly laugh Brian!!
Hey silly muslim where did you find that statisitc? …did you pull it out of your bag of taqiyya tricks?
Brian is LOUSY at taqiyya ..he gets an F-
Brian, learn from obama, he’s much better at BULL than you are, but hey he doesn’t make me laugh like you do, lol!
And I’m 100% certain that you’re full of it clown! ..sigh, why do I bother.
Richie says
Leftists like Obama really suck at foreign policy. Their ignorance and tendency to be so naive make them dangerous when given the reigns of power
Ralph says
The Black Muslim President(Obummer) will burn in Hell along with his other Islamist.
SallyA says
@ Ralph – http://pamelageller.com/2008/02/obama-arab-amer-2.html/. Obama’s actually more Arab and White than “Black” if by black you mean African-American, but because a Muslim can be of any race, black or white, as Brennan proves alongside Obama, or you can look to the white ISIS Muslim converts openly beheading people, you unfortunately falsely conflate race with Islam as do so many pro-Islamists by your comment.
Your call to racism is not helpful to those reading here who may still be educating themselves, as I am, about Islam’s risk as a global death and dominance cult pretending to be a religion.
He may burn in hell, if that’s what God does in running hell, but it won’t be because he was black.
Transmaster says
Look at the picture of the Sultan of Stupid, look at him, he has that ingratiating smile of a huckster, except this loser Lord who once had women fainting, who had one African Lady declare, “Obama is going to pay my mortgage” who had little children singing “Obama is going to save us” To what has been revealed to be the real Obama an incompetent who could not con a fart out of a cow.
Greg says
Chubaccka B Os wife is calling the shots
Walter Sieruk says
Of course it all about Islam. What a lying ans disingenuous president America now has. Furthermore, as for the Muslim heads of ISIS along with their violent and murderous Muslim stooges . They with their murderous religion of Islam are an affront to all that is good and right. They will not respond to reason . So the use of military might many very well be only way to the these ISIS villains a message in the only language sent in the way that they can understand. Just as Thomas Jefferson had stated “With every barbarous people…force is law.”
SallyA says
@ Walter Sieruk – Yes, and good ole TJ knew after calling out the Marines to the shores of Tripoli to fight against barbarous Muslim slavery, looting and murder.
Kepha says
Walter, I’m of the mind that while the O is a malevolent wrecker, his malevolence stems from a New Left upbringing, sentimentality about “Third World” revolution, and how well Negritude in high dudgeon sells when there are guilt-ridden white liberals around. I think that fundamentally, the O is as ignorant of Islam and what it really is as the general run of the great thundering herd of Leftist independent minds.
Blitz2b says
The only difference I see between ISIS and say the Saudi is that the former are at least HONEST about what they believe in, and are not afraid to apply the vicious teachings of the Koran into practice, unlike the other Sunni Muslims who are busy blowing smoke into the eyes of the West, and by taquiyya are succeeding in using the infamous Islamophobia to their advantage. ISIS throws a spanner in the works of the Islamophobia industry, and is creating doubts in the minds of many who formally were convinced that Islam was a religion of peace… IS is calling their bluff, All taquyya Muslims are now threatened by the truth revealed …
gerard says
“that’s not what Islam is about”
Yes it is.
Tradewinds says
Exactly. We have a president who lies about Islam. Fact.
Champ says
Ditto, Tradewinds!
SallyA says
@ Tradewinds – Precisely. Obama lies. Chronically. He’s more than a useful idiot, which any liar could be, but a complicit knowing deceiving implementer of the covert Islamist plan, imho.
Ronald D. Bruno says
“Sunni states should fight ISIS”??? “It is absolutely critical that we have Arab States and specifically Sunni majority Arabs states against extremist Islamic terrorists …”???
Is Obama delusional or is he once again delegating the responsibility to someone else? And who should respond, Islam itself? How unrealistic is that? Is that the hurdle we have to jump before He acts? Does anyone believe that Islam will somehow dismantle and/or correct itself?
I thought that ISIS was composed of Sunni Muslims and that most of the poorer Muslims were Sunnis and Kurds who are the ones out protesting and fighting against Shiite controlled governments as in Egypt, Iran and Syria.
Obama is stalling, dithering, because he is either a coward or his purpose is to dismantle this nation and allow the stage to be set for the Great Tribulation Period. I think it’s both. But we can’t put the whole blame on Him — He didn’t draw that red line! As I’ve said on other posts: If we completed removed Islam from the world, it is still messed up, filled with sin and corruption and it has to end.
Many of you may be hopeful that Obama will wake up and do something or a new administration will be elected before it’s too late.
It is too late!
Guys like Rush and Medved (bless their hearts) are paid big bucks to be positive, hopeful and influence the masses to get to polls and elect a Republican. It won’t matter, because we don’t have tens years … we don’t have five or even three. This catastrophic series of events will occur while Obama is in office. The world leaders know that he is weak and does not want to war with anyone, so if they are going to do something, it has to be while he is in office, for them to do the most damage. I am amazed at the restraint that Israel has had with Iran. Obama kicked them under the bus. Their nuclear plants should have been destroyed six years ago. Again, it’s too late, they have a nuke and are working on a delivery missile system. They can resort to mini-nukes, suitcase sized nukes that don’t need a delivery system. Get ready, our ways of life are about to drastically change, very possibly within a year.
gerard says
If violent Islam is hijacked Islam then it was hijacked by Mohammad and has remained hijacked for 14 centuries.
Paul says
The Manchurian Candidate of Islam has spoken. The USA, says the MCI, will organize a jihad against the imitation “Islamic State”.
Speaking of imitation, it looks a lot like a full-blown socialist despotism, too. In fact, it was claimed yesterday in article at Yahoo! that the caliph is setting prices for a wide variety of goods and services, imposing the zakat as intended upon the very wealthy, taking control of enterprises more properly under private ownership, and so on. So, let us call the new theocratic thing…
The Godly Nonislamic Socialistic State with Five Pillars.
gerard says
Caption for the photo:
“Yes, the moon really is made of green cheese!”
Sam says
OBAMA=DISGRACE TO HUMANITY
Champ says
obama is trying too hard to cover for islam, and he looks like a damn fool whenever he defends islam …
Sadly, there are still those that believe his BULL that IS has nothing to do with islam. But watch out, because people are waking up to the truth about IS aka islam.
helen says
ALL muslims ARE SOLDIERS of allah (!!!)
The Obama Timeline author says
Like Secretary of State John Kerry, Obama does not know what nihilism means if he believes ISIS fighters are nihilists. Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless, that nothing is knowable or can be communicates, and that life itself is meaningless. It is absurd to claim that radical Islamists have no values when their goal is to establish a global caliphate that follows the Qu’ran through Shari’ah law. The jihadists do not have the same values that Western civilization has, but they have values. Nor do the jihadists believe that life is meaningless simply because they are willing to die for their cause in suicide bombings. They simply believe that the afterlife has greater value than mortal life; not that mortal life has no value. Obama is correct that Islam is “not about extremist nihilism,” but he is incorrect to claim that the jihadists are nihilists. Islam is precisely about what the jihadists seek.
SallyA says
@ The Obama Timeline author – Fascinating info at the Obama Timeline you author. Thanks for sharing.
SallyA says
@ The Obama Timeline author – Interestingly the Facebook page of the forensic psychologist , Dr. Fick, who wrote the book, The Destructive President, about Obama in 2012 has this excerpt reviewing the book that relates to this string of comments:
‘As just one of many examples from this book that I found very disturbing, Dr. Fick exposes and dissects President Obama’s spiritual experiences as follows: “[as] Kristof wrote, ‘Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent in a remark that sounds delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks). Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” Memory is not only encoded in picture form, it is also embedded through all the senses including hearing. And, even more importantly, Obama’s statement reveals that the effect of repeatedly hearing and responding to the call to prayer was encoded on a deep emotional level. This is mentioned not as commentary on Obama’s religious leanings but to point out that what we experience in our youth and our interpretation or perception of those experiences becomes a part of us.” This was taken from just half way through the book on page 24, and I wish that I could quote the rest of this page and comment on it for you, because the progression for Obama beyond this experience turned Obama’s life into utter identity confusion, insecurity, and tremendous resentment and feelings of abandonment.’
Wow. Chaos works so well for Islamic terrorists, and psychologically chaos is apparently what the President does best in his apparent (to this psychologist) hatred of America as symbolic target of his tremendous resentment. We may be in for it worse from Obama that I’d ever realized.
Can we keep praying to be protected from his dark multi-layered pathologies? And praying that he somehow be healed? I’m not willing to concede that the prophecies of the Bible are necessarily literal or for this time. Maybe so, maybe not. Nobody knows for sure. I’m not willing to give up the power of our prayers to be delivered from this monstrous presidential administration.
SallyA says
btw above I meant – Prayers for protection against Islamic chaos and other horrors from anybody of any faith who’s not praying to Allah! For me reading & commenting here is about a common knowledge opposed to Islamic terrorism and conquest. If in speaking from my own experience, the only experience I have, there’s more focus on faith than is comfortable for everybody, I do not intend to offend. So far in 2014 Jews, Christians and Yazidis have been singled out for genodical jihad, so we three groups have reason to pray together. Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, secularists of good will who want to send good thoughts … all welcome in this cause of prayer.
Kepha says
@SallyA
Why does it bother me that people think the O is a Muslim? Basically it’s because I ‘m primitive and superstitious enough to believe that God actually did tell all Israel at Sinai that you shouldn’t bear a false witness against your neighbor–even if he’s a malevolent wrecker. I’m also of the opinion that his praise for the beauty of the azzan is a combination of pose as the broad-minded cosmopolitan and, perhaps, a genuine aesthetic sense. I’ve heard the azzan as well, and if I didn’t know what it truly stands for, I’d consider it quite a marvelous use of the human voice. FYI, I also like a wide variety of non-instrumental religious music such as Plainsong, Gregorian, Byzantine, and a capella. To me, there’s even a kind of beauty in Chinese Buddhist chant, even though I find Buddhims a particularly selfish religion.
@Ronald Bruno: I am not sure at all that the O is preparing the world for the end, for of that day and hour, none of us knows anything except that it is getting closer. I’m also a Christian who believes that the Lord will return to judge the living and the dead, and that a day has been fixed for the Last Judgment, but I’ve seen too many people bring the Gospel into disrepute because they started thinking that the end was going to happen at such and such a date, and then make more than themselves and other Christians laughingstocks of those who choose to sit in the seat of the scornful–you know, those oh-so-clever people who believed that the Kingdom of Heaven had arrived in…
The Gospel of the Kingdom must ultimately be preached to all nations before the Lord returns, and at this point, it’s barely scratched the surface of many. Further, much as I’m a strict predestinarian, I’m well aware that God works through providential means. Perhaps the jihadis are a chastisement against an apostate Christendom; perhaps resistance to them will end in our being a rod with which Messiah chastises his enemies. Perhaps a revival of real faith among Christians will end in peaceful means changing Islamic hearts of stone. I simply do not know what God will do five years hence; I only know I should keep faith for now.
SallyA says
@ Kepha – Bearing false witness biblically (Torah) is to lie as a witness against your neighbor in the theocracy, in context of legal disputes, which is certainly irrelevant to my opinions about the Pres. in that I have expressed what I have said as opinion, although well-substantiated opinion about Obama as a chief public figure. I’ve even written here that none of us really know for sure. This level of opinion we are clearly allowed to do by the US Constitution based on the circumstantial evidence. If we don’t talk or write about our concerns regarding elected leaders, then we are silenced by false dogma of hyper-religionists. That’s what Muslims do with their silencing Sharia rules and fatwas. Not that you’re Muslim, not saying that at all, but you’ve incorrectly claimed bearing false witness as an accusation against me (about my opinions of the President, which all citizens and voters have the right to do) when I do not deserve that erroneous contention, as if your own private dogma trumps, and I don’t appreciate your doing that. As a follower of Jesus, I can speak that reality and also forgive you, which I do.
Talal says
Maybe Obana read the Quran. You can read it too. In English at http://www.clearquran.com