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Obama’s “not Islamic” Islamic State claim ridiculed

Sep 12, 2014 12:42 pm By Robert Spencer

obamaAs well it should be. The disconnect between the statements of the administration — and the government and media establishment in general — and reality is increasingly large, and Americans are noticing in increasing numbers. “Obama’s ‘not Islamic’ Islamic State Claim Ridiculed,” IPT News, September 11, 2014:

President Obama’s assertion Wednesday night that the Islamic State terrorist group “is not ‘Islamic'” is drawing derision from a number of quarters.

The claim, also made by Obama’s predecessors, is “preposterous,” Daniel Pipes wrote for the National Review Online. “To state the obvious: As non-Muslims and politicians, rather than Muslims and scholars, they are in no position to declare what is Islamic and what is not.”

Author Sam Harris, an atheist who challenges all religions, went further, dismissing Obama’s argument as a “scrim of pretense and delusion.”

“Which will come first, flying cars and vacations to Mars, or a simple acknowledgment that beliefs guide behavior and that certain religious ideas—jihad, martyrdom, blasphemy, apostasy—reliably lead to oppression and murder?” Harris wondered in an essay. “It may be true that no faith teaches people to massacre innocents exactly—but innocence, as the President surely knows, is in the eye of the beholder. Are apostates ‘innocent’? Blasphemers? Polytheists? Islam has the answer, and the answer is ‘no.'”

But Obama’s argument echoes statements made by Muslim American leaders during a news conference Wednesday morning. “All of this is against the foundation and teaching of Islam,” former Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) President Mohamed Magid told reporters. He also is a member of the president’s Homeland Security Advisory Council.

The Quran includes numerous passages encouraging violent jihad and inspiring hatred of non-believers, Harris notes. Robert Spencer offers specific examples here, and asks why the Islamic State has become such a magnet for wannabe jihadists if it was not seen as inherently Islamic.

But instead of acknowledging those verses and debating their modern application, the president used a nationally televised speech to act as if they do not exist. Harris blames “a large industry of obfuscation designed to protect Muslims from having to grapple with these truths.”

We saw that in action during Wednesday’s news conference at the National Press Club.

It’s a difficult sell, Pipes concludes, because of the clear theological statements and justifications Islamic State terrorists invoke for their brutality.

“Anyone with eyes and ears realizes that the Islamic State, like the Taliban and al-Qaeda before it, is 100 percent Islamic. And most Westerners, as indicated by detailed polling in Europe, do have eyes and ears. Over time, they are increasingly relying on common sense to conclude that the group is indeed profoundly Islamic.”

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  1. jihad3tracker says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Here is the video which clearly shows why BHO has been in such denial about Islam’s true agenda and content.

    For any friends / relatives / pets of JW readers who are still on another planet regarding the subject, tell them to watch it.

    Absolutely flabbergasting evidence, from his own mouth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE9mZCRX2mg

    ———————

    • John C. Barile says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 12:56 pm

      Hi j3tracker. Profoundly Islamic and thoroughly disgusting pandering.

    • mortimer says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 1:02 pm

      COVERUP of the goal and prime directive of Islam!

      Jihad is the prime directive of Islam!

    • Spurgeon says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 1:33 pm

      What a YouTube video that shows plain and simple Obama’s MUSLIM faith!!

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 3:46 pm

      Some of those statements by Obama — not all of them, but ones sufficiently disastrous for our ongoing policy with regard to the problem of Islam — were eructated by Eisenhower in 1957.

      With reference to the dedication ceremony of a mosque that had been built in Washington, D.C., in 1957 (and planned for years before that) — a mosque, by the way, that, just like Imam Rauf’s Ground Zero Mosque, was deceptively framed by the term an “Islamic Center” — Eisenhower (at that point former President) spoke for the American representatives. In his address, Eisenhower praised the Islamic world’s “traditions of learning and rich culture” which have “for centuries contributed to the building of civilization.”

      He affirmed America’s founding principle of religious freedom and stated that:

      “America would fight with her whole strength for your right to have here your own church [sic — he meant mosque, of course] and worship according to your own conscience. This concept is indeed a part of America, and without that concept we would be something else than what we are.”

      Eisenhower concluded:

      “As I stand beneath these graceful arches, surrounded on every side by friends from far and near, I am convinced that our common goals are both right and promising. Faithful to the demands of justice and of brotherhood, each working according to the lights of his own conscience, our world must advance along the paths of peace.”

      (Some wording taken from the blog Logan’s Warning. For links, see: http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2011/01/proto-pc-mc-those-conservative-1950s.html )

      • Kepha says

        Sep 13, 2014 at 9:34 am

        I’m sorry, but I still like Ike–even if I think he bungled the Suez Crisis (no POTUS has a 100% batting average).

        When Ike was POTUS, the Islamic Center was built to accommodate the diplomatic community and a small immigrant constituency. Ike’s comments reflect a sincere belief in religious liberty and even some appreciation for what it takes to keep a religiously plural country together (he was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and later became a Presbyterian), things which the O and his cohort completely lack. Ike further had real diplomatic skills and a sense of how foreign affairs really work (he was, after all, Commander of Allied forces in Europe during WWII). Despite his military background, he was sensitive to the threats to American liberty posed by what he called the “military-industrial complex” and appreciated that there are things in which the government simply doesn’t have any business meddling.

        That he was willing to accommodate the needs of the Islamic world’s diplomats in DC (or, more to the point, understood that it was something perfectly permissible in the American polity), does not show he was blind to the shortcomings or evils in Islam. Rather, he recognized that the USA was engaging with a large chunk of the world where Islam was practiced.

      • Hrothgar54 says

        Sep 13, 2014 at 1:14 pm

        Oh, my! “eructated”, whew!…..gasp! Sent me scurrying to the Google Search.

        [Maaaaan?….how old were you in 1957? I lived that era of the Fifties in college and in our U.S.A.F. in Japan.]

        In 1957 we Ameddicans [sic] had no more knowledge of Mohammadism or Muslims or anything out of Arabia at all. Or much interest at all. Then perhaps the faded memories of The Shores of Tripoli and the Barbary pirates. Almost approaching chivalrous romance, Walter Scott material. And of course, that smelly oil. Damn Esso, anyway. [sarc.]

        We had knowledge, some perhaps, of al-gebra, and some other math, we knew, or thought that we knew, about the Great Library in Alexandria and that wonderful Rosetta Stone and such stuff, but that was about all we cared to know about ‘them Mohammadems.’ Why bother?

        Then came The Brits and the French galloping in on their colonial chargers towards Suez which had belonged to both at different times.

        IMHO, Eisenhower had had quite enough of the chilly superior Brits and the haughty aloof French after the Second World War, not to mention the First World War which he’d studied.

        After what Eisenhower had experienced first hand with them, what’d you expect at Suez….flowers wrapped in cellophane?

        And, as for that [now] obscenity on Massachusetts Avenue in the District, who then, in 1957, thought much about that weird new building along Washington’s Embassy Row?

    • YOSEF T says

      Sep 13, 2014 at 4:23 am

      MUBARAK HUSSEIN OBAMAH IS DOING wishFOOL thinking?????

    • Wakingwest says

      Sep 13, 2014 at 12:43 pm

      What Obama really wants as reflected by what he says and actually does is to securely ensure that islam becomes interwoven inside the core of American life forever. He visualizes this taking time and is indeed put off by groups such as isis or al-qaeda which actually elicit resistance and thereby either slow islamic progression or jeopardize it. Imagine the unmitigated disaster of his vision, our beloved nation as we know it now smeared all over with the specter of islam and millions of muslims elbowing all our children aside and encroaching everything we hold dear. We must keep this nightmare from happening. Never before has this nation been so close to its undoing .

  2. John C. Barile says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Profoundly Islamic and profoundly hateful and repugnant.

  3. mortimer says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Let’s hope this debate will continue, catch fire and lead to a REALITY CHECK!

  4. Emilie Green says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Chico Marx said it best, “Who are ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?”

    In many ways the appearance on the scene of ISIS has been beneficial to educating an unwilling world on the horrors of Islam. JihadWatch and other notables such as Geller, Emerson, Wilders, and others, have been playing Paul Revere, warning of the coming dangers, and proposing methods to head off the impeding peril. The stitch-in-time-to-save-nine approach was dismissed out of hand. “Islamophobia run amok” was the claim by Muslims, Democrats, leftists.

    And now, where are we? Answer: Listening to a president blabbering like he knows what he’s doing.

    • Samuccaya says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 1:50 pm

      Great quote. Now have a t-shirt made with that quote under a picture of Obama. They’d sell like hotcakes.

    • Jerry says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      Under HBO and his “Holy Qur’an” (note: no Holy Bible or Holy Torah), the USA is being turned into a “moderate” Islamic state.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      “In many ways the appearance on the scene of ISIS has been beneficial to educating an unwilling world on the horrors of Islam. ”

      Only if we Canaries in the Coalmine of this still extremely small nucleus in the West otherwise known as the Counter-Jihad can break through the dominant and mainstream PC MC paradigm that doggedly, perversely insists that ISIS (and 1,001 other horrors and atrocities we have seen pullulate out of the Muslim world and into our own world) has “nothing to do with Islam”.

  5. mccode says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Obama should remember the insight of one of his famous predecessors. As Abraham Lincoln stated, ” How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”

    • Salah says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 2:41 pm

      “Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”

      Calling a demon Allah doesn’t make it a god either!!!
      http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/10/muhammad-and-satan_24.html

  6. Angemon says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    But instead of acknowledging those verses and debating their modern application, the president used a nationally televised speech to act as if they do not exist. Harris blames “a large industry of obfuscation designed to protect Muslims from having to grapple with these truths.”

    Yeah, the Islamophobia-smear industry.

  7. mccode says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Another one for him to remember…

    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

  8. Don McKellar says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Obama needs to be confronted and humiliated head-on in a news conference when he least expects it. All the questioner needs to ask is: “Are you an expert on Islam? If not, then how is it that you have determined that the Islamic State is not Islamic in spite of the fact that they follow the Koran and the Hadiths as exactly as possible, as anybody can read and see for themselves?”

    Expect a long pause and a deflection of the question.

    • Richie says

      Sep 13, 2014 at 9:43 am

      I think if journalists confronted Obama head on at a news conference with such questions that ‘journalists’ are too meek to ask, he’d have them arrested and disappeared

  9. Ralph says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    ISIL stands for the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant. Now, to us Westerners we don’t really make much of a distinction, do we? No, honestly from our perspective its all about the same. But how would a Muslim living in the Middle East view it? Just what is the Levant anyway? Let’s take a look.

    The geographical term LEVANT refers to a multi-nation region in the Middle East. It’s a land bridge between Turkey to the north and Egypt to the south. If you look on a map, however, in the near exact middle of the nations that comprise the Levant, guess what you see? Come on, guess!

    It’s Israel.

    When Barack Obama refers over and over to the Islamic State as ISIL, he is sending a message to Muslims all over the Middle East that he personally does not recognize Israel as a sovereign nation, but as territory belonging to the Islamic State.

    Now you know why Obama says that he has no plan, no goal, and no stated aim for dealing with ISIS.But he does have a plan, and it’s a really nasty, diabolical one. Obama’s plan is to drag his feet for as long as he can, doing only the bare minimum that Congress forces him to do. His

    “plan”to buy ISIS as much time as possible to make as many gains as they can.

    And it’s working.

    The Islamic State has garnered millions of dollars, a vast cache of weapons, and in their latest forayhave captured Syrian fighter jets. With each passing day that Obama fulfills his stated aim of doing nothing, the Islamic State grows by leaps and bounds. The ultimate goal, of course, has not changed and will never change.

    The ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel.

    Now you know a little bit more why Obama chooses his words so carefully, and what’s really in a name. Shakespeare had it right.

    • Champ says

      Sep 12, 2014 at 3:30 pm

      Indeed! …great comment, Ralph. Very interesting!

    • Hrothgar54 says

      Sep 13, 2014 at 8:40 pm

      Obama, the consumate politician. That is not a compliment.

  10. Jade says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    No one named “Mohamed” should have any affiliation with Homeland Security. Absolute insanity, just as an airline employing another “Mohamed” for 10 years until ha left to fight for Syria was insanity. Is it going to take another 9-11 for the clueless leftists to figure out these people have zero alligience to America? ( Or the U.K., France, Australia, Sweden etc). Please tell me the civilized world is realizing this.

  11. bill says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    Obama is muslimbrotherhood, hillarys lesbian lover is muslimbrotherhood, the whole administration in compromised and infiltrated with these ragheads. time to clean house

  12. Brian Min says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Maybe, there might be a way to test whether ISIS is islamic or not. Bring in or catch a few ISIS members (If the caliph can be caught, it’s even better.). Then feed them some “pork chop” or “bacon, egg, and cheese” or some chinese pork soup. Then the answer shall be revealed. haha.

  13. David says

    Sep 12, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    These misunderstandings have been going on for along time.

    In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli’s envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”, the ambassador replied:

    It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

    • Covadonga says

      Sep 13, 2014 at 3:55 am

      >”He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth”

      With an enemy like that, I’ll be sure to keep a loaded pump shotgun ready at hand the next time I go for a sail.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Sep 13, 2014 at 6:41 am

        That was back in the days *before* pump shotguns.

        Cannon, yes.

        Muskets, yes.

        And that was all.

        Muskets had to be slowly re-loaded. A man with a musket only could be overwhelmed by a mob of jihadis.

      • Kepha says

        Sep 13, 2014 at 9:49 am

        I’ll learn to use and keep an Uzi myself.

  14. fair_dinkum says

    Sep 13, 2014 at 4:46 am

    even if he admitted it, he d rescind. hes afraid of backlash.

  15. Almach says

    Sep 13, 2014 at 7:58 am

    Obama is a total liability to the free world. Someone please do put an end to his misery. That idiot has been lasting for too long in power. How did it come to this, just how can you have a muslim in power in the most powerful country in the world?

  16. Charles Martel says

    Sep 13, 2014 at 8:02 am

    What else would you expect to come out of the Muslim/Marxist NerO’s mouth?

  17. GbA says

    Sep 13, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Obama, like all Muslims, has learned to use TAQIYYA well!

  18. Citizen Warrior says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 7:47 am

    Obama, David Cameron UK Prime Minister; Tony Abbott, all reading from the same page…
    Is it a conspiracy of deception? If it is, it ain’t working…Americans, Brits, and Australians are smarter than that…! idiots..

  19. purplemarbles says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 6:30 am

    Obama is silent about the slaughter of Christians in the Middle East . I wonder why?

    See here pics of ISIL’s war against Christianity and the murder and crucifixion of Christians who refuse to convert ( Warming : Graphic , may upset some — do not show children).It must be shown :

    http://is.gd/InfDl2

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