The Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City is in full damage-control and victimhood mode, saying they hardly knew Oklahoma beheader Jah’Keem Yisrael, and asking for protection against “backlash.” But here is a look inside that mosque, courtesy an ex-Muslim who attended there and still lives nearby, and who sent me this information directly:
I went to the same mosque the Oklahoma Muslim who beheaded his co-worker today. I live ten minutes away!
The Imam was Imad Enchassi the last I heard. He was a friend of mine. He is a Lebanese-born Sunni who hates Israel. He once gave a sermon that the Israelis were trying to collapse al-Aqsa mosque by digging tunnels underneath it. They have no issue with Palestinian suicide bombings because, as it was explained to me, that is the only weapon the Palestinians have.
They sold Milestones in the book shop while I was there, which as you know calls for replacing all non-Islamic governments with Islamic ones. I remember listening to a tape a friend of mine, Yahya Graff, another white convert to Islam, had that prayed for the destruction of Israel and America.
The imam when I first converted, Suhaib Webb, is hailed as a moderate by liberals in the United States but he was the one that explicitly told me that according to Islam, three choices are to be given to non-Muslims: convert, pay the jizyah tax and live under Islamic rule, or jihad. They try very hard to whitewash Islam when the media is around, but they believe in their religion and the ultimate goal of an Islamic caliphate.
Angemon says
OK, I’m going to have to play devil’s advocate on this one, even though I believe the existing evidence that the majority of mosques in the US preach islamic supremacy and call for the destruction of the US and Israel. What’s the source for this info?
James Miles says
ditto. However, “courtesy an ex-Muslim who attended there and still lives nearby,” probably means he or she needs to remain anonymous, on pain of death or persecution at least.
Shane says
The punishment for apostates is death, so an ex-Muslim living near that mosque had better keep a low profile. Giving his name would be a death sentence for him.
gravenimage says
This is obviously an apostate Robert Spencer knows and trusts.
And everything claimed here is absolutely mainstream Mosque practice, from the selling of Milestones to prayers for the destruction of Israel to the three choices offered to Infidels.
And reputable journalists use anonymous sources all the time—and given the death penalty for leaving Islam, I wouldn’t insist that he out his source.
Beagle says
Yeah, maybe we could have the street address and photo of the apostate from Islam, a crime punishable by death under sharia.
If the president, other politicians, law enforcement, and Defense Department are too cowardly or complicit to deal with reality, in addition to most media, education, and entertainment, it’s completely reasonable to expect a lone apostate to come forward and take point on this issue.
The only thing which is hard to believe is that most mosques don’t teach the Islam of the Quran, Hadith, and Sirat. I am amazed people think the religion of Islam is best summarized as “is peace”. That’s truly unbelievable. It’s not a coincidence Afghanistan, Iran, Islamic State fergoodnessake, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia (of the sword, as in jihad of the sword, flag) all exhibit similar pathology being vast majority Muslim.
eduardo odraude says
Sometimes it seems almost a demonic miracle how in the dark about its true intent Islam manages to keep people these days. I suppose it says something about human beings today, that we are too weak, too cowardly, too comfortable, too mis-educated by the state and by state schools, to look at things as they are.
corey says
You can’t even admit evil stares you right in the face. Liberals love to say, “Oh we cannot become them”. We have had attack, after attack, after attack that the media loves to whitewash. Now we have beheadings. I have heard people say that if beheading ever happened here there would be hell to pay. I knew there would not. You cannot have the Left who are 1/2 the country fight the Right who are the other 1/2 with the same ferociousness, while ignoring the true enemy. How history repeats itself.
David Harding says
Go read the Koran ..it is everywhere in their book, what else do you need?
Larry Henry says
Good question. But if his name is revealed he’ll be found with his head cut off in a month or two. When I was at Parris Island a zillion years ago our DIs hammered this into our heads, Do Not Get Captured By The Japanese. The same is true for these fanatical jihad zealots. Better to go down fighting than being tortured then murdered. Personally, I prefer B-52s, stealth bombers in the wee hours of darkness, and Apache helicopters. If that doesn’t stop the Islamic menace, nuke ’em!
Matt Bracken says
I am thinking about a “Peaceful Moderate Muslim Litmus Test.”
Ask “moderate” Muslims if they will condemn Mohammed for his mass-murder by beheading of 500-900 captured Jewish boys and men at Quraza in AD 627, and for the mass rape and enslavement of the remaining girls and women.
Mohammed personally beheaded bound victims and raped a Jewish widow on the bloody ground. Ask Muslims if they will condemn Mohammed for this. He could have shown mercy and banished the Jewish tribe as he did in other cases. Instead, he ordered the captive men and boys to be beheaded, so that he could divide up the booty (property and women) among his 3,000 jihadists, after he took 20% of the booty off the top.
Just ask Muslims if they will condemn Mohammed for this mass murder and mass rape atrocity. See what they say.
I found a great article about this massive atrocity, led by Mohammed, at this link:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm
David Hayden says
Matt, You ought to read my book entitled Muhammad and the Birth of Islamic Supremacism : The War With the Jews 622-628 A.D. for more information on the book check Amazon.com.
Alexander Lumbantobing says
The website http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm is blocked by the Indonesian government for “pornographic content”. Any method to get the content through? Perhaps, a PDF file would help.
Lookmann says
Try any proxy browser or TOR browser. Google for further info.,
Angemon says
Is there any file hosting site you trust? If so, tell me which and I’ll upload a PDF copy of that link.
medina says
Why Matt, that smacks of an Inquisition, and shows why it was absolutely necessary to have such a thing. It was working pretty well in Spain until recently.
Does anyone else here have a better idea? Containment is not an option.
Angemon says
The inquisition could only pass judgment on christians, and on faith related matters. That included muslim and jewish converts suspected of false conversion or relapsing to their former faith. As for other muslims and jews who didn’t convert to catholicism, they were allowed to practice their faiths until they were ordered to convert or leave by the spanish Crown (jews in 1492, muslims in the early 17th century).
eduardo odraude says
More people are killed each year by Islamic jihadists than in the whole 350 years of the Inquisition. At least 24,000 jihadist murders since after 9/11. Quit with the lies. Or would that mean suicide for you?
Meryl says
The inquisition forced Muslims into a lesser societal role as part of the surrender agreement made by the moorish kings. Yes we need a way to deport and avoid Muslim immigration. Cut all aid to their countries. Until 1974 no mosques were built in Spain thanks to Franco.
Angemon says
The inquisition only had power over christians, the kind of edict you’re suggesting could only come from the ruling political power. You can argue that clergy members were advisors to the spanish crown or held positions of political influence, but the inquisition didn’t had the power to force anyone into any role, it was there to pass judgment on heretic christians, false converts to christianity and christian converts relapsing back to their former faith.
alert1 says
eduardo,
Where are these statistics, please?
Mirren10 says
”Just ask Muslims if they will condemn Mohammed for this mass murder and mass rape atrocity. See what they say.”
I just ask them if they think mohammed’s example of raping little nine year old Aisha should be followed – him being the ‘perfect example’ and all.
Never fails to get them frothing at the mouth. 🙂
nothosaur says
That is the correct approach, but, to prevent them from wiggling out, you should precede such a question with these three:
1. Is the Koran true?
2. Are the strong hadiths true?
4. Was Muhammed al-insan al-kamil (the “ideal man”), an excellent example of human conduct?
The answers seem tedious and obvious, but it’s necessary to lay groundwork before asking about one of Muhammed’s atrocities. For example, I have encountered Muslims who say that they reject hadiths and accept only the Koran.
But, question #4 is essential, since any atrocious conduct of Muhammed (e.g. ordering the assassination of a poetess for her poetry, beheading captives, torturing someone to find out where he buried his gold, etc.) cannot be denounced without contradicting the claim of #4.
It’s not pedantic. It’s simply laying the foundation.
Mirren10 says
Good questions, nothosaur, I’ll definitely use them.
By the way, what happened to number 3 ?
okieeagle says
Question 3 is, Are you sure?
DP111 says
Now it may be true that some Muslims are peacable enough. Yet it has to borne in mind that some very peaceful Muslims, to the utter surprise and shock of their friends and family, have become shaheeds.
This ongoing discussion since 9/11 on the existence moderate Islam or Muslims, as opposed to just Islam and Muslims, is predicated on the belief, or fervent hope, that moderate Muslims will somehow be able to civilise Islam, such that it no longer poses an existential threat to us. There seems to be no end to this debate. Let us therefore consider two scenarios where moderate Islam does actually exist, and there are sufficient numbers of Muslims to show this to be the case.
Case 1. Let us consider the situation that moderate Muslims prove that the correct interpretation of Islam was the moderate one (whatever that is). They even go further and make the changes in their teachings of the Koran and the Jihad. Such an outcome would no doubt come as a great relief to all. But I counter that all such changes were being done merely to protect the ummah while it grows at ever-increasing pace in the West (Taqqiya rules). Once a near majority is achieved, that future generation of Muslims will simply revoke any changes and return to the traditions of the Koran. They will even praise this generation of Muslims for having done what was necessary to protect Islam.
The larger the number of Muslims, moderate or radical, the greater will be the demands for Sharia, and politicians will rush to accommodate that demographic. The distinction between moderate Muslims and radical Muslims is therefore meaningless; it is of no help to us.
Case 2. Let us suppose that moderate Muslims came out of hiding and utterly trounce their Jihadi cousins on what constitutes “true” Islam i.e., the moderate, non-violent one. Having got rid of “radical” Islam’s main reasons for waging Jihad would not be the end of the matter. Moderate Muslims will demand their price for having kept Jihad, the fundamental directive of Islam, at bay. That price will again be the implementation of Sharia, initially for Muslims anyway. This will come about since moderate Muslims have not abandoned Islam, but are still dutiful Muslims (we will end up with a kind of permanent social coalition government of non-Muslims and moderate Muslims). Even if we agree to this, the “radicals” will still be out there, and amongst us. To keep them at bay, moderate Muslims will be forced to make ever-increasing demands for greater Islamisation. “Good cop bad cop” scenarios come to mind. It will never end.
In effect moderate and radical Muslims work together. There is no actual treaty as such; it is simply understood.
Bradamante says
I imagine it was a personal email to Robert Spencer, and there’s a limit to what he can say — he can’t “out” someone who could very well get killed for being an apostate. Unfortunately, not everything can be proven and not all sources can be vetted by each of us personally, because of the nature of the threat we’re dealing with. But if it appeared somewhere else on the web perhaps we can find out more.
Steffen Larsen says
Whenever Mr. Spencer quotes whatever source, and the source later proves incorrect, Mr. Spencer is immediately blamed for the error.
I personally welcome a quick correction or removal – at least it will stop the worst gloating – and I often check a source looking a bit unconvincing or of interest. Just in case facts and numbers have been squeezed a bit by a poster. Statistics are beastly things.
It’s more of a problem when commenters put up something half-disgested or insufficiently researched: it’s in the nature of things that the entire blog, Mr.Spencer, the other commenters, the entire anti-jihadic movement and their grandmothers get the blame for this.
okieeagle says
The source had very specific information about certain individuals in the Mosque and it’s teachings. I think the source can be trusted.
Walter Sieruk says
As for that Murderous Muslim, Jah’Keem Yisrael, the Islamic organization C.A.I.R. ,in all fairness, did make some kind of denouncement of his violence and murder. Nevertheless, C.A.I.R. ‘s denouncement also referred to that murderer as a “gentleman.” What an inappropriate word to uses for the deadly guy. A choice of such a word word form C.A.I.R says something about that group. Furthermore, the Quran does teach in 47:4. “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads…” That Muslim man did cut off a woman’s head.
GP says
“Oklahoma beheader’s mosque taught caliphate, destruction of US and Israel”
Surprise, surprise, surprise…every mosque is an outreach and recruiting center for terrorists!
“Radical Muslims” commit the atrocities, “Moderate Muslims” just smile and nod.
Asian says
There are no such thing as radical or moderate muslims. There are only muslims – they will manipulate the media and use western political correctness against you useless fools (fools who mistake attributes of Christianity for Islam) Islam may have co-opted many prophets of Judaism and Christianity – they have “new” teachings that supersede those – it is called – kill all infidels and out breed them.
Myxlplik says
OT.
Very nasty honor killing in Pakistan, a woman was stoned to death in front of a courthouse
http://www.makers.com/blog/pakistani-woman-stoned-death-family?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000046
gravenimage says
This is a horrifying story, Myxlplik—but not a new one. It was covered here at Jihad Watch a while ago:
“Pakistan: Woman stoned to death by her family for marrying man she loved”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/pakistan-woman-stoned-to-death-by-her-family-for-marrying-man-she-loved
GP says
Specifically, how is a mosque a threat to the community within which it is built?
Every single mosque in the world, by definition, is modeled on the mosque of Muhammad in Medina in accordance with the Sunnah. The Sunnah interprets the Qur’an by reporting exhaustively on everything that Muhammad said, did, or consented to. Therefore, his Medina mosque, the first mosque, was a place where he gave judgments, where he decided who would be executed, where he instituted policy—domestic and military— where Jihad war strategies were designed. Consequently, it was a storage place for arms, a military training base, and was where troops were blessed and dispatched. Literally they were sent to conquer – first the whole of Arabia, and then the rest of the known world. Therefore if the present-day mosque is modeled as per the Sunnah of Muhammad then there should be very serious concern. As is well-known, Muslims are required to follow the example (Sunnah) of Muhammad—and according to Sura 33:36 it is not an option or a matter of opinion: “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.” This explains and establishes beyond doubt why arms have been found in mosques in various countries, and in different capital cities.
-Sam Solomon, former professor of Sharia Law
mortimer says
Thanks for your post of Sam Solomon. Excellent.
Jihad-conquest is the prime directive.
Spurgeon says
Very interesting article. Truth is coming out.
This isn’t the first beheading in the U.S. There are others.
Remember when Jihad Watch reported in 2009 a “moderate” Muslim in New York beheaded his wife?
The killer husband Mr. Hassan had launched Bridges TV – amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light. I guess that failed.
I like the post by Matt (above) – “The Peaceful Moderate Muslim Litmus Test”. It could be quite revealing.
medina says
Actually they’d all lie and be defended by our pols and the media. Time to shut down these centers of terrorism.
Islamisdeath says
“Very interesting article. Truth is coming out.
I was called a bigot less than 2 hours ago because I very cautiously expressed concern about our future given this event. Never underestimated the suicidal tendencies of so many left wing Americans. The person who xalled me a bigot explained well yes the perp was into islam but my gosh before that he smoked marijuana. I still cannot figure out his logic or justification based on that statement.
Mirren10 says
”The person who xalled me a bigot explained well yes the perp was into islam but my gosh before that he smoked marijuana. I still cannot figure out his logic or justification based on that statement”
The Rastafari smoke ganja as part of their religion, don’t they ? And I don’t think Rastas on the whole are particularly violent, apart from the riots in the late 50’s in Jamaica.
The person who called you a bigot is obviously a leftard fool; they always call ‘bigot’ when they’re losing an argument. 🙂
pdxnag says
There you have the basic elements of the crime of sedition.
There were efforts a few years ago to pass legislation to hold terrorist organizations (I’d say this mosque) financially responsible for acts that they had sponsored. I can’t seem to find a link right now, but it might have applied here if it had passed. But if all it took financially was one cheap knife then the mosque might have even escaped being held liable under the previously proposed legislation. It must include “incitement” in addition to financial support.
Don McKellar says
Not hard to believe this is factual. After all, it’s no different from documented video and audio we have from other mosques. Not only that, this is completely in accordance with the Islamic texts. And, of course, the person who wishes to remain anonymous sure knows a lot of details about the history of the leaders of the mosque and names names. It would be great if one of those recordings would surface.
Frederick Mackenzie says
On their website they host audio recordings of Friday sermons:
On Oct 29, 2010, Imam Imad Enchassi had a sermon on “Islamic Chari’a — US Constitution”
In this lecture, he argues that every Muslim should support Sharia law. Surprise surprise, so did the suspected beheader.
dumbledoresarmy says
they put up their Friday sermons?
For just anyone to listen to? And download and keep copies of?
For every curious jihadwatcher – not to mention spooks from all over the place, not only in the USA – to listen in on?
Do they really believe that *all* the kuffar are stupidly incurious and will never, never…er…eavesdrop?
Mirren10 says
”Do they really believe that *all* the kuffar are stupidly incurious and will never, never…er…eavesdrop ?”
I think graven nailed it in a previous post (can’t remember the thread) where she said the mohammedans are becoming so increasingly emboldened, many of them now feel they can dispense with taqiyya.
PRCS says
From the article:
“The imam when I first converted, Suhaib Webb, is hailed as a moderate by liberals in the United States but he was the one that explicitly told me that according to Islam, three choices are to be given to non-Muslims: convert, pay the jizyah tax and live under Islamic rule, or jihad.”
Suhaib Webb, an Oklahoma born revert is the current HMFIC at the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center; attended by at least one of the Boston bombers ( Tamerlan).
gravenimage says
Yes—Webb, whether he was directly involved or not, has now overseen two Jihad terror attacks in the US perpetrated by members of his “flock”.
Very disturbing….
Champ says
Oklahoma beheader’s mosque taught caliphate, destruction of US and Israel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is being taught in every mosque in the US and around the world …
Said mosque is in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, but where do you live? Fill in the blank: _________________________, ’cause this savagery is being taught in a mosque near you.
Yeah islam & company are wholly evil. NEVER trust a muslim.
gravenimage says
Oklahoma beheader’s mosque taught caliphate, destruction of US and Israel
……………………………….
This should not surprise—studies have shown that around 85% of Mosques in the uS are “radicalized”.
Also, as of just yesterday, Muslim spokesmen were claiming that no Mosque leadership anywhere in Oklahoma was aware of this JIhadist.
Jim Leonard says
How can #nsa #fbi #cia etc supposedly root through all info, especially facebook and not see what was on this mans page. How could he not be watched? His Facebook page post’s continually show support of isis and radical muslim fanaticism. He repeatedly posted photo’s of him self and the same men who say he was “anything” but muslim. Spell correct want’s me to capitalize muslim, I refuse.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
So this mosque somehow went all tiny minority of extremist bad. Hijacking a peaceful religion bad. Usually our Moslem Unicorn friends worship the good Islam, but this mosque and others in Boston, Paris, London and Sydney go bad.
As I watch Sean and Megyn and Bill grope for Unicorns with interviews of moderate Moslems, I remind myself that a Yale/Harvard man, in other words a genius, Dubya assures us that Islam is ok and it’s just that right now this great Abrahamic faith is going through a rough patch, and that Columbia/Harvard man Barack sez the same, as do various combos like Stanford/Yale and Princeton/Princeton and Harvard/Georgetown men say the same assurance that these Unicorns are real… I remind myself that the experts know what’s going on and everything’s under control and is gonna be ok.
Rest easy, these elites aren’t dumbasses and they’re sure not sleazy.
jewdog says
Judging from the news stories in various countries, it sounds like ISIS is a trend setter in jihadist methods, as many so-called ISIS affiliates and copy cats are beheading victims and often filming their grisly deeds. Indeed, beheading may be supplanting suicide bombing as a jihadist technique. I’m actually pleased that it is because it lacks the inherent martyrdom appeal of suicide bombing and therefore makes it harder for the perpetrator to pose as a victim. Beheading is raw sadism and makes the epithet “savage” respectable.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
… beheading may be supplanting suicide bombing as a jihadist technique.
Yes, the suicide vests are used to mass murder from a position of weakness. But when they take over a territory and can openly kidnap, the option is there to publicly torture, crucify and, yes, behead. This is the glory of the New Caliphate.
As-salamu alaykum!
Peace be upon you. This is proof that Islam means peace, and does *not* mean submission, and the naysayers contend. Prez Barack Hussein said that.
jewdog says
Did he? That’s a lot of salamu baloney.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Naw, actually he just said the incantation in front of the cameras. He didn’t say it was proof that it proves that the word Islam means peac and not submission.
Being a cynic at this late juncture, my reaction was that he said it strictly of reasons of professorial pomposity. Not that Barack was a full real professor, but he was, and is, close enough to reach the level of self-delusion required to ruin a country.
Scribe15 says
Wondering if this murder will have a chilling effect on speech. In the U. S. We already self-Censor cartoons art and images of Mohammed in General out of fear of retribution. Now when some zealous convert starts pushing conversion Sharia and stoning as this guy did , will people think twice about speaking out against these ideas? For fear of being Smote in the neck? Score One for intolerance and intimidation in Oklahoma yesterday.
mortimer says
‘Milestones’ by Sayyid Qutb is the bible of the jihadists. This book was sold in the book room of the mosque.
But it has NOTHING to do with Islam. Islam has nothing to do with ‘Islam’.
delta4ce1 says
A few days ago I made the following comment about something that someone posted on facebook. Here is my comment:
“Fellow Americans and people of the world, the only lasting solution to the spreading Muslim terrorism is to outlaw Islam and severely punish anyone found teaching it or practicing it. The same goes for anyone teaching any belief system such as Marxism, Maoism, fascism etc. that advocates deceit or coercion by force or violence as acceptable methods of converting others to it. Do not let yourselves be deceived. Every Muslim is a terrorist in the making. So, if all you do catch and punish terrorists there will be many more to take his or her place. The Koran is like a seed being sowed by a maniacal farmer in one field. The sprout seems to indicate a beneficial plant so nearby farmers pay no attention but even before it’s full grown it becomes aggressive and once it’s grown it violently takes over all the fields.”
Here is how one person responded:
“For starters, you may want to try reading the Constitution of the United States, especially the First Amendment, which thankfully prohibits restricting the practice of your chosen religion simply because someone else doesn’t like it.
Second, there are more than 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet. Think logically about this. We’d already have been screwed many times over if even 1% held the extremist views that you ascribe to all Muslims.”
Here is how I responded to that person:
“Shawn, you couldn’t possible be more wrong about the Constitution and I happen to be considered an expert on the Bill of Rights by a lot of people. In no way does it give permission to anyone to use it against itself and establish a totalitarian system of government. Anyone that would attempt to do that is in direct violation of it and those freedoms and rights therein do not apply to them. In addition to this obvious fact, the truth about Islam is that everyone that becomes a Muslim is a terrorist in the making and some just reach maturity before others. The same happens in Christianity too. A few become mature enough to be teachers long before the rest. Those that have not yet become mature enough to accept this about Islam are being called “moderate Muslims” in the press which is controlled by people that sympathize with Marxism and Islam and are pushing for a totalitarian socialist one world government. You’re obviously one of the vast numbers of opinionated armchair idiots that just assume that you know more than anyone else even though you’ve spent very little time if any actually studying the things you speak so authoritatively about. Think about this. Truth is never determined by the number of people that believe something. There are several times the number of people in the world that think of themselves as Christians as there are Muslims and if they all really knew what they’re supposed to believe and can prove is true, they’d have converted the entire world long ago. Large numbers of Muslims are not especially well indoctrinated in their faith enough to know that they are expected to eventually become jihadists in every sense of the word which correctly includes rape and cutting off the heads of non Muslims as well as many other incredibly cruel kinds of behavior. I have spent most of my life carefully, seriously, and objectively studying belief systems because I recognized how critically important it is to correctly understand them and it’s easy to see that you know virtually nothing about them that’s correct.”
SSI01 says
Re: those “former Muslims” – just invite them over for a little pork roast, a ham sandwich or to partake of the ham salad and see what happens.
A male murdered a female. Isn’t this a crime against a minority group?
What race was the female? If she wasn’t the same race as the killer – isn’t that a hate crime?
If the perp is an adherent to a religion that mandates death for those who refuse to accept his religion or its tenets – isn’t that a hate crime?
I’m wondering how long it will take for the Fed govt to get around to prosecuting this despicable act for what it was, a hate crime. If they take that tack, isn’t is a blanket indictment of Islam in the US as a religion that espouses hate – and is therefore illegal? The only way they could avoid that charge is if they change the basic tenets of the faith, to acceptance of others rather than an edict to convert, tax or kill them.
dumbledoresarmy says
I wonder how many people from Oklahoma – perhaps even from that very workplace where this man carried out his gruesome murder and attempted murder – are googling their way to jihadwatch in the wake of this particular attack?
If so – if there is someone looking over my shoulder, as I write this: welcome.
*I* – an Australian who had already read the Quran, and pegged it as a creepy and violent cult text – found my way here seven years ago. This is a good place to learn about what a former frequent commenter here, one “Hugh Fitzgerald”, called “the meaning and menace of Islam”.
Besides Mr Spencer’s excellent books “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades” and “The Truth About Muhammad”, I commend to you two very useful articles.
The first is by the great Irish writer and diplomat, Conor Cruise O’Brien, who died at a grand old age in 2008.
It first appeared in the “Independent” in 1995, and it is called “The Lesson of Algeria: Islam is Indivisible”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-lesson-of-algeria-islam-is-indivisible-1566770.html
Here is the opening paragraph, to give you an idea of what he is on about.
““Fundamentalist Islam” is a misnomer which dulls our perceptions in a dangerous way.
“It does so by implying that there is some other kind of Islam, which is well disposed to those who reject the Koran. There isn’t.
“Islam is a universalist, triumphalist and political religion. It claims de jure dominion over all humanity; that is God’s will. The actual state of affairs, with unbelievers of various sorts dominating most of the world, is a suspension of God’s will and a scandal to the faithful. The world is divided between the House of Islam and the House of War, meaning the rest of us….”.
The other – “From Cold War to ‘Guerra Fria'” – also appeared in the 1990s. It is by a man I have not been able to find out much about; except that he had surely done his homework. His name is Patrick L Moore. It is scholarly and fully referenced. Read it several times, slowly and carefully. It summarises most of what you need to know.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/GUERRA.HTM
Again, please, make sure you make and keep a copy. Links break, on the internet.
I would have also given a link to Jacques Ellul’s brilliant little essay on Jihad, written in 1991 as foreword to historian Bat Yeor’s book “The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam”, except that the link I used to be able to use to refer people to an online version, appears to be broken.
I did however make a copy (I possess the book as well, these days).
Here are the key passages:
“…a major, twofold fact transforms the jihad into something quite different from traditional wars, waged for ambition and self-interest, with limited objectives, where the “normal” situation is peace between peoples – war, in itself, constituting a dramatic event which must end in a return to peace.
“This twofold fact is, first, the religious nature [of the jihad]; then, secondly, the fact that war has become an institution (and no longer an “event”)…
” In Islam, on the contrary, jihad is a religious obligation. It forms part of the duties that the believer must fulfil; it is Islam’s normal path to expansion. And this is found repeatedly, dozens of times in the Koran.
“Therefore, the believer is not denying the religious message.
“Quite the reverse, jihad is the way he best obeys it.
” And the facts – which are meticulously recorded and clearly analyzed [by Bat Ye’or] – show that the jihad is not a “spiritual war” but a real military war of conquest. It expresses the agreement between the “founding text” and the believers’ practical strivings.
“But Bat Ye’or shows that things are not so simple.
“Since the jihad is not solely an external war, it can break out within the Muslim world itself – and wars among Muslims have been numerous, but always with the same features.
“Hence, the second important specific characteristic is that the jihad is an institution and not an event; that is to say, that it is part of the normal functioning of the Muslim world….
“it is most essential to grasp that the jihad is an institution in itself; that is to say, an organic piece of Muslim society.
“As a religious duty it fits into the religious organization, like pilgrimages and so on.
“However, this is not the essential factor, which derives from the division of the world in the (religious) thought of Islam.
“The world [for Muslims], as Bat Ye’or brilliantly shows, is divided into two regions: the dar al-Islam and the dar al-harb – in other words, the “domain of Islam” and “the domain of war”.
“The world is no longer divided into nations, peoples, or tribes. Rather, they are all located en bloc in the world of war, where war is the only possible relationship with the outside world.
” The earth belongs to Allah and all its inhabitants must acknowledge this reality; to achieve this goal there is but one method: war.
“War, then, is clearly an institution, not just an incidental or fortuitous institution, but a constituent part of the thought, the organization and the structures of this world. Peace with this world of war is impossible.
“Of course it is sometimes necessary to call a halt; there are circumstances where it is better not to make war. The Koran allows for this. But this changes nothing: war remains an institution, which means that it must resume as soon as circumstances permit.
“I have greatly stressed the characteristics of this war, because there is so much talk nowadays of the tolerance and fundamental pacifism of Islam that it is necessary to recall its nature, which is fundamentally warlike!”..END QUOTE.
To repeat: the sociologist Jacques Ellul, observing Islam (and he was an astute observer of matters political, historical and legal), concludes, of Islam, that it is “fundamentally warlike”.
Lloyd Miller says
When do we start looking at the root of the problem: Big Oil and Big Petro-Dollar Recycling Banking in league with Islamic dominated OPEC, kissing Saudi butt!
omega2 says
Arrest the IMKAM and charge him with ACCESSORY to Murder and then TEAR THE DAMN PEST HOLE MOSQUE DOWN!
SallyA says
It’s time for Americans to face that our government is leaving us undefended against lone-wolf Islamic beheading terrorists (among many other recent risks to individual and national security). We are, like milleniums of human beings before us, left to our own self-preservation skills.
What follows is a recap from other commenting, shared here to be helpful for other Americans, women especially, because we’re not typically in our society taught to defend ourselves, and now we need to learn. Colleen Hufford being beheaded by a Muslim male in Moore, Oklahoma, sad though her death is, may serve to wake us up to the reality of self-preservation.
The Marines, before PC MC POTUS military hamstringing in the rules of engagement, had a LINE course for new recruits who knew nothing about hand-to-hand combat. LINE was designed for a Marine under adverse conditions (fatigue, stress, bulky clothing or no clothing) to return lethal force, be the victor, and emerge alive.
You can still find LINE materials that partially describe the process online. Those materials, if taken with any decent “take back the night” self-defense course, will equip you to fight for your life against a jihadist attacker. The LINE material is also inadvertently funny. For example, when somebody has initiated attack and is trying to kill you with or without a knife or other weapon, you can use your body slam-style at the side of his knees (or a strong slamming blow direct to his temple) to knock him down and then, the Marine instructors say, it’s not pretty but you stomp on his neck and head.
The directions for killing during war as stated in the Koran/Quran (however people spell it) are universal for combat not involving high-tech modern weapons. Of course the Marines would necessarily have an antidote. Since “… the shores of Tripoli” when Thomas Jefferson sent them to Africa to stop Muslim marauders.
Marines have always taught about points of an attacker’s vulnerability, as needed when lethal hand-to-hand force must for self-preservation be met with lethal force. The Marines counsel the rookie fighters to hold their own knife “ice pick” style for stabbing back, and to stab and/or hand-strike with a knife-hand configuration the attacker’s face (nose and eyes especially vulnerable), the throat and the groin wherever possible.
What follows is only to suggest to those who might not know that self-defense and even a battle to the death of one’s attacker need not be forbidden to Jesus followers. I’m a Jesus follower and love Mother Mary, too, but I believe based on modern scholarship that parts of the Bible (NT) were doctored and augmented for social control and mass subservience by the Roman imperialists controlling the scribes who wrote the copies of texts that purportedly stated what Jesus taught. His message was contradictory from gospel to gospel as included in the Roman Catholic imperial canon (later adopted in pertinent part by Protestants). The Nag Hammadi texts found after WWII also corroborate on academic review that the Bible as canonically compiled (approx. after the 3rd century but before the 5th century) suffered some social engineering for the Roman Empire’s controlling benefit. For instance, the early Koine Greek gospel text hand-scribed copies (no original manuscripts exist) differ among themselves on the infamous “love your enemies” sayings made famous by Matthew’s gospel. This is a topic about which debates rage among the faithful, so I’m not intending to open a debate, because anybody’s entitled to a personal opinion.
Jesus did not see fit to leave us a book. He also ranted “woe to scribes,” as gospel-reported, perhaps prophetically to guide us against putting a scribally crafted book (the Bible) ahead of our living, vibrant guidance of the Living Word and Holy Spirit that meets us daily where we are. I point this out only for those Christians, women especially, who have been brainwashed by churchianity to believe they’re supposed to self-sacrifice to the violence of their enemies. Jesus didn’t teach that even on an objective reading of the entirety of the NT as imperially configured. Men have been interpreting the Bible to allow (correctly) “just wars” for every century since Christianity was started. Women as well as men can similarly take action of self-defense against warring lone wolf or other Islamic terrorists and still be “Christian.”
livingengine says
“CHILLING: Man Who Attended Okla. Beheading Suspect’s Mosque Reveals Radical Teachings ”
Jay says
It doesn’t matter in the end. POTUS will actively and passively defend creeping Jihad within the U.S. I was neutral until I saw him come out in the public’s eye and call for support of building the mosque (community center lol if you like) near ground zero. Then when I saw the photo of him kissing the ring of the Saudi King in total obesience it became pretty clear to me what to expect down the line. I only know a few people who hold a similar and vastly unpopular viewpoint (at least for now eh?) that at the end of his term – he’s NOT going to be stepping down. Call if a manufactured crisis at that time or other he will be on TV explaining why he can’t step down for the good of the people. Just under 2 years to see if this does happen. This is why I say this incident won’t matter in the end. We’ve never had a POTUS who looked to go the route of dictatorship although history is full of examples. FDR came close, but it’s strange to believe that there simply is no possibility we would ever see a POTUS – go for it so to speak. To make it happen he will need brute force in sufficient power on his side – so we’ll have to wait and see if that starts to unfold.