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UK: Beheaded aid worker’s brother says Islam “not to blame”

Sep 14, 2014 8:24 pm By Robert Spencer

Haines“His voice breaking with emotion, Haines read out a passage from the Koran saying: ‘Since good and evil cannot be equal, repel thou evil with something that is better.'” That’s Qur’an 41:34. Haines did not quote this passage: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” That’s Qur’an 47:4.

“Murdered aid worker’s brother says Islam ‘not to blame,'” AFP, September 14, 2014:

London (AFP) – The brother of British hostage David Haines murdered by Islamist militants issued Sunday a tearful video statement about growing religious radicalisation in which he quoted a verse from the Koran.

“We are seeing more and more radicalisation in every walk of life. It is not a race, religion or political issue, it is a human issue,” Mike Haines told British media.

His voice breaking with emotion, Haines read out a passage from the Koran saying: “Since good and evil cannot be equal, repel thou evil with something that is better.”

He added: “The Muslim faith is not to blame for ISIL, nor is it the fault of people of Middle Eastern descent.”

Aid worker Haines was kidnapped in Syria in March 2013.

His murder was revealed in a video released late on Saturday by militants from Islamic State — also referred to as ISIL — an extremist group that has taken over a vast territory in Iraq and Syria in recent months.

“ISIL are extremely dangerous and pose a threat to every nation, every religion, every politics, every person,” Mike Haines said, adding that British jihadists who return to the country should “face the consequences of their actions”.

He had earlier issued a written statement paying tribute to his brother, who he said was “most alive” when doing aid work.

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  1. ClearThinkingCatholic says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    “Since good and evil cannot be equal, repel thou evil with something that is better.”

    If you ask ISIS, they’ll tell you that is exactly what they were doing.

    • Sandra says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 2:42 am

      This poor man is blinded. How can he possibly say that his brother’s death was not because of Islam???? The Islamist terrorists themselves do not cease to repeat that all they do is in the name of Islam, of Allah.

    • rev g says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 5:42 am

      This guy has no idea what he has read. If only he understood that muslim equals good, infidel equals evil, therefore reject the infjdel, can easily be surmised from that passage.
      How to offer the infidel choices to become “good” or be replaced can be found in other verses.

    • PRCS says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 10:40 am

      “If you ask ISIS, they’ll tell you that is exactly what they were doing.”

      Agreed. One of the “filthy kuffar’s” greatest errors in this poorly worded “War on Terror” is the failure to understand the issue from THEIR point of view.

      I’m sure that MOST non-Muslims see beheading as immoral and, in accordance with OUR laws–illegal.

      That is simply not the case from Islam’s standpoint and from that, not from THEIR point of view.

  2. Beagle says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    ‘Since good and evil cannot be equal, repel thou evil with something that is better.’
    — —
    As I was saying on the young jihadi American woman thread, their good is our evil and vice versa. This gives them an insanity defense automatically without being in any way insane the way we ordinarily think of it. It’s learned insanity.

    I feel for these family members. I think of it as my duty to be righteously angry for them. They’ve been led astray into the PC martyrdom cult. Not many people can withstand education, government, entertainment, and most media to think for themselves.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 14, 2014 at 9:53 pm

      “Since good and evil cannot be equal, repel thou evil with something that is better”
      He may have picked that up from a (moderate) Muslim offering platitudes to gloss over true Islamic attitudes.

      • Charli Main says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 6:08 am

        The script he read, was probably written for him by ” Baroness” Wasi, David Cameron´s Guru, in all matters Islamic.

      • Kenneth Margo says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 1:20 pm

        this comes from the Quran-not me
        I
        NFIDELOPHOBIC VERSES OF THE QURAN

        “This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10

        “God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90

        “Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 2:286

        “Lord…give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 3:147

        *”I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.” Quran 8:12

        “Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not the power so to do. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy…” Quran 8:59-60

        *”When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” Quran 9:5

        “Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” Quran 9:73

        “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.” Quran 9:123

        “Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another…” Quran 5:51

        “He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.” Quran 3:85

        “Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good – except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.” Quran 3:28

        “Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

        “Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'” Quran 22:19-20

        “Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29

        “Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56

        “Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.” Quran 9:28

        *”The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6

      • Kenneth Margo says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 1:31 pm

        NFIDELOPHOBIC VERSES OF THE QURAN

        “This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10

        “God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90

        “Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 2:286

        “Lord…give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 3:147

        *”I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.” Quran 8:12

        “Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not the power so to do. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy…” Quran 8:59-60

        *”When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” Quran 9:5

        “Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” Quran 9:73

        “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.” Quran 9:123

        “Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another…” Quran 5:51

        “He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.” Quran 3:85

        “Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good – except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.” Quran 3:28

        “Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

        “Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'” Quran 22:19-20

        “Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29

        “Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56

        “Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.” Quran 9:28

        *”The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 11:40 pm

        True, Jay—I very much doubt that he has really read the Qur’an himself—this quote was probably provided for him.

        Wasn’t it beheaded journalist James Foley’s family that had—insanely—a *Muslim* “spokesperson”?

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      Camelshit. These people are adults and have a brain. Treat them with respect and be angry at them. Be infuriated at their stupidity. We should expect more of our fellow citizens than this haplessly sincere, neo-Wilsonian Eloism.

  3. Wellington says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    A greater dishonoring of his own brother’s death would be hard to find than the one he proffered.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 14, 2014 at 9:41 pm

      ”A greater dishonoring of his own brother’s death would be hard to find than the one he proffered”

      I agree, Wellington.

      It seems that nothing, absolutely **nothing**, will teach these people.

      It’s possible he is a devout Christian; in that instance, if he had quoted from the *Bible*, along the lines of ”forgive them, they know not what they do”, then whilst disagreeing with him, it would have been understandable.

      But to quote from the foul koran, and clearly without without any knowledge of abrogation; from the very **same book** his brother’s murderers hold up as their justification for murdering him ? No, and no, and *no* !

      • Mo says

        Sep 14, 2014 at 11:07 pm

        @ Mirren10

        “It seems that nothing, absolutely **nothing**, will teach these people.”

        Exactly my reaction. These fools are such that even if it was their own head being sawed off, they will STILL be shrieking, “This is not Islam! Islam has nothing to do with it!’

        I used to feel sorry for such people. Now I feel just disgust.

      • the Vilest of Creatures says

        Sep 14, 2014 at 11:36 pm

        He’s right, we shouldn’t blame Islam for what they did to his brother, or Jim Foley, or Steve Sotloff, or Lee Rigby, or the Nairobi Mall massacre, or 7/7, or 911, or Fort Hood, or the Boston Marathon, or Beslan, or Bali, or what Boko Haram did with those girls, or ….sorry, got carried away….

        After all the Muslims didn’t blame any of us after the Mohammed video or cartoons, or the alleged burned Qur’an’s or the Qur’an flushed down the toilet, or what the Pope said……they just attacked, well most of our embassies, burned a lot of stuff down, killed a lot of people and……..oh never mind…..

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 16, 2014 at 7:49 am

          See? There’s Angemon again, like he’s done dozens of times in recent history, alighting like a jackdaw on one of my comments to set the record straight; and like 99% of those times, we never see hide nor hair of Wellington or Mirren when it counts. And Mirren wonders why I gripe about this. The nerve.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 16, 2014 at 9:15 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “See? There’s Angemon again, like he’s done dozens of times in recent history, alighting like a jackdaw on one of my comments to set the record straight”

          As opposed to what, naming you out of no where and ascribing falsehoods to you, like you routinely do to me and several other posters? Oh, woe is you!!! Or maybe you’d prefer if I compared your posts to human waste:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/former-global-counter-terrorism-director-of-mi6-uk-should-encourage-ex-extremists-to-come-home-from-iraq-and-syria/comment-page-1#comment-1116328

          “Okay; I usually avoid Angemon’s posts like the Plague of late, but in this context, I thought I’d take a gander, and see if there may be an infinitessimal chance I will fall off my chair in shock that he presented something actually responsive to what I actually wrote, rather than some pseudo-argument manipulating the tissue of red herrings and straw men he normally indulges in… So here goes, hand me my snorkel and fins, I’m going down into the treatment plant waters…”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/former-global-counter-terrorism-director-of-mi6-uk-should-encourage-ex-extremists-to-come-home-from-iraq-and-syria/comment-page-1#comment-1116343

          “Well that was relatively painless; a quick pass through cloudy yellow waters but thankfully no substantive turds this time.”

          The issue here is not me setting the record straight and making the true facts known but you providing a wrong record and a false narrative dozens of times. It’s that kind of attitude and behaviour that got you labeled a “poor thinker” and “unfair judge”, and banned several times. The difference is that now you’re attacking commentators instead of going after contributors – commentators can’t ban you, right?

          “and like 99% of those times, we never see hide nor hair of Wellington or Mirren when it counts. And Mirren wonders why I gripe about this. The nerve.”

          This is not the first time you whine about other commentators not jumping in to defend you, as if they somehow are obliged to do so:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/french-police-foil-jihad-plot-targeting-eiffel-tower-louve-nuke-plant/comment-page-1#comment-1086734

          “and all the while crickets chirp from the silence of Champ, gravenimage, Wellington, and Mirren. Thanks a lot guys. If they do see fit to add their two cents, they’ll probably only do so to take a pot-shot at me.”

          Not to mention you go out of your way to deride the very people you expect to jump in to defend you:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/former-global-counter-terrorism-director-of-mi6-uk-should-encourage-ex-extremists-to-come-home-from-iraq-and-syria/comment-page-1#comment-1115870

          “His way of determining that is on one important level essentially no different than the implicit method irresponsibly assumed (but never adequately defended) by Jihad Watchers Philip Jihadski, Angemon, Wellington, gravenimage, Mirren, PRCS, Jay Boo, miriam… and countless others.”

          Are you that insecure that you need to have a posse of sycophants at every step to back your absurdities and falsehoods?

          (Note: I’m not in any way implying that Wellington or Mirren – or any other commentator – are sycophants or back any sort of absurdity or falsehood. IIRC, I’ve seen them agreeing to voeg on other subjects but, unlike voeg seems to think, that’s not the same as pledging eternal support and allegiance to anything he says. Whatever reason they – or any other regular – have not to chime in is their alone, and they shouldn’t have to explain it to anyone, let alone to a self-entitled narcissist who not only has derided them in the past but also can’t handle criticism or fight the battles he starts. My reading on his self-righteous gripe is that he’s trying to manipulate Wellington and Mirren into taking his side by presenting his irritation with them as being a rational behaviour caused by their actions – if only Wellington or Mirren openly took his side then he wouldn’t be mad at them. It’s kinda like the islamic apologist narrative that if non-muslims willingly accept to convert to islam or live under sharia then muslims wouldn’t have to wage war against them. It’s always someone else’s fault – classical narcissist)

          Oh, and I see you’re still unwilling or unable to answer my questions: where would you deport a native American US citizen convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to pre-Columbian era? And under what laws?

          Also, any reason to reply to a previous post? The reply button goes missing after this post:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/uk-beheaded-aid-workers-brother-says-islam-not-to-blame/comment-page-1#comment-1119777

          No need to whine about things that, if read top to bottom, have yet to be seen.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 3:01 am

        Not enough, Wellington and Mirren. You guys have to say that ALL MUSLIMS ARE SUSPECT.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 3:02 am

          (But, of course, they won’t; they will deflect it onto me.)

        • Mirren10 says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 7:38 am

          I don’t speak for Wellington, but I have always said all muslims are suspect, so what the hell are you going after me for ? Get over yourself.

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 9:30 am

          voegelinian
          You could have just said that you disagree and left it at that.

          When you say “not enough” it gives the impression that you just might be a wee bit arrogant and expect others to seek out and grovel for your anti-jihad stamp of approval.

        • Mirren10 says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 2:01 pm

          I missed your sheer arrogance, until my husband pointed it out to me.

          Who the hell are you to say, it’s not enough, and we have to say what *you* think we should say ? You are starting to *seriously* piss me off.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 2:18 pm

          Okay, once again I lay down the gauntlet for select No-Nonsense JWers. At first I was dreading another scolding from Mirren and another soberly condescending lecture from Wellington (in which both of them simultaneously reassert their Counter-Jihad bonafides while chastising me for my extremism, if not merely for my breach of Counter-Jihad Etiquette). Then I read about the Muslim who relishes cutting off the heads of babies, and in a syncope of vertigo I remembered where I was; on the windy precipice of the peak of this ever-mounting mountain of data, this volcano daily spewing out the churning, burning, bloody, evil lava of data of what Mohammedans are saying and doing around the world — a mountain still largely ignored by our mainstream or seen as a pleasant snow-dappled Alp in the background of a mythic landscape of the Religion of Peace. I.e., I will keep holding the feet of the Counter-Jihad to the fire and will show them the respect of demanding nothing less of their intelligence and decency, no matter what they think of me.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 4:38 pm

          Apropos, from a comment of mine over two years ago on JW:

          Muslims have been using that tactic for 1400 years. We have to stop marginalizing the problem to just “the Taliban” or “al Qaeda” or the “Wahhabis” or the “Salafists” or the “Islamists” or the “radical Islamists” or any number of other terms used to avoid the Camel in the Room.

          It’s Muslims. Straight, no chaser. That’s the problem. Until we get that, we will be at a grievous strategic disadvantage. And countless lives will be lost — on our side, the only side that matters.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 6:02 pm

          And my reply (in agreement with) a JW commenter I don’t think I’ve ever seen before, “Peter”.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 16, 2014 at 1:59 am

          Mirren responded:

          “I have always said all muslims are suspect, so what the hell are you going after me for ?”

          Yes, you might say that all muslims are suspect, but why then did you take the time and trouble to defend Phillip Jihadski and Angemon when they were defending the notion that we can’t do anything about all Muslims? All I’m asking of you JW Softies is to take your logic to its conclusion; rather than thumping your chests about those damn Muzzies, but then attacking me for actually promoting an ideal for managing this horrific metastasizing problem.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 16, 2014 at 6:34 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “you might say that all muslims are suspect, but why then did you take the time and trouble to defend Phillip Jihadski and Angemon when they were defending the notion that we can’t do anything about all Muslims?”

          And, of course, neither myself or PJ defended such a thing. We did question you on your “total deportation” theory since it’s unconstitutional, seditious and it bears the hallmark of totalitarianism, not to mention it wouldn’t solve the problem. Once again, where would you deport a native American US citizen convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Columbian era? And based on what law?

          In any case, that is a strawman – whatever you claim I or PJ said about what could be done or not about all muslims is irrelevant to what Mirren thinks of them. Also, back then, she wasn’t defending us as much as she was calling you out on your inability to answer simple straightforward questions like, for example, where would you deport a citizen native American US citizen convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Columbian era? And based on what law?

          “All I’m asking of you JW Softies is to take your logic to its conclusion”

          You can’t even get what “JW Softies” say right (or grasp the concept of deportation) and you claim to know more about the conclusion of their logic than they do? No, you’re asking people to accept unconstitutional actions and loss of freedom under the guise of “security”. And you’ve been told before why that was unnecessary.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 16, 2014 at 4:16 pm

          Why would Mirren and Wellington (and gravenimage and others) tacitly condone such outrageously naive nonsense as this rhetorical question that Angemon seriously insists upon repeating several times now —

          where would you deport a native American US citizen convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Columbian era?

          — has been just one of my questions. Why is it always up to me to take the time and trouble to oppose such pap? Why can’t they take notice of it, and dispatch it ? All those named (and many other JWers) are quite capable intellectually of doing so; and I’m still boggled by the apparent prospect that they actually agree with such an inanity. Any one of them can set the record straight at any moment — or at least begin to do so, by composing and delivering a succinct and cogent death blow to that idiotic rhetorical question of Angemon’s.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 16, 2014 at 5:17 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Why would Mirren and Wellington (and gravenimage and others) tacitly condone such outrageously naive nonsense as this rhetorical question that Angemon seriously insists upon repeating several times now —

          where would you deport a native American US citizen convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the pre-Columbian era?”

          It’s not a rhetorical question, it relates to the applicability of your “Total Deportation” theory. I insist in repeating it because you insist in refusing to answer it. I have several questions regarding the applicability of your theory but there’s no point in asking them if you can’t answer the most basic of them.

          Once again, where would you deport a native American US citizen convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to pre-Columbian era? And under what laws?

          “— has been just one of my questions. Why is it always up to me to take the time and trouble to oppose such pap? Why can’t they take notice of it, and dispatch it ? All those named (and many other JWers) are quite capable intellectually of doing so; and I’m still boggled by the apparent prospect that they actually agree with such an inanity. Any one of them can set the record straight at any moment — or at least begin to do so, by composing and delivering a succinct and cogent death blow to that idiotic rhetorical question of Angemon’s.”

          Nice attempt at flattery, but why are Mirren, Wellington, or anyone else, somehow obliged to answer something I’m asking you about your very own theory?

  4. Tradewinds says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    I really don’t understand this obsession with excusing a mass-murder ideology.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 14, 2014 at 9:42 pm

      Vultures always swoop in

      I suspect that in PC politicians and Muslim organizations step in at a time when these families are most vulnerable and offer their self-serving support while reminding each family that this has nothing to do with Islam.
      —————–

      It could have been worse.; at least he criticized ISIL.
      “ISIL are extremely dangerous and pose a threat to every nation, every religion, every politics, every person,”

      • Laura says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 4:31 am

        It’s not unusual to see the families of murder victims publicly ‘forgive’ the perpetrators…maybe it has something to do with grief getting in the way of rational thought?

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 15, 2014 at 11:48 pm

          Probably not, Laura—chances are that they were in deep denial long before this.

    • eric says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 9:13 am

      Yes. That is bizarre and counter logical. It isn’t a Muslim problem except you cannot join ISIL/ISIS unless you ARE a very particular kind of Muslim; and, if unfortunate enough to be in their path, will be killed unless you convert to Islam. It staggers me that non-radical (non-muderous) Muslims do not rise up against the actions of ISIS/ISIL and speak out to denounce it. I understand the reluctance of Muslims living where they could be targets for speaking out, but what of the Muslims living elsewhere in the world?

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 11:57 pm

        eric wrote:

        It staggers me that non-radical (non-muderous) Muslims do not rise up against the actions of ISIS/ISIL and speak out to denounce it. I understand the reluctance of Muslims living where they could be targets for speaking out, but what of the Muslims living elsewhere in the world?
        ……………………………….

        eric, you are assuming that Muslims who are not currently involved in waging violent JIhad are perforce *against* violent Jihad, and the only reason they might pause in condemning violent JIhadists is fear of their own violent coreligionists—but this is only rarely the case, and *never* with Muslims who take their Islam seriously—in other words, who are not virtual apostates.

        The fact is that support for the Islamic State—and more generally, for Jihad and Shari’ah—are sky-high among Muslims in the West.

        And why not? This is perfectly normative Islam.

  5. wolfgang says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    The only way to deal with violent Muslims is stamp them out for good………now Americans , Brits, Aussies are going to have to deal with these maggots, but the sheeple like this guy just won’t learn will they ?.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 14, 2014 at 10:02 pm

      wolfgang
      By violent Muslims you must mean the so-called extremists as opposed to the so-called moderate Muslims.
      Yes there may be a distinction but let us not exaggerate it to the point that we overlook the sordid ideology that both share.

      • Jay Boo says

        Sep 14, 2014 at 10:07 pm

        Note also I would not put more of the blame on the ‘sheeple ‘ than on Islam itself.
        Remember, that many of those ‘sheeple’ thought that all moderate Muslims were their friends until they were sold out to the violent Muslims in the name of Islam.

      • wolfgang says

        Sep 14, 2014 at 10:18 pm

        @Jay Boo

        Moderates ? yes there are many !, they are only moderates till their turn comes for the slaughter house!, then they MAY get the option to become more devout !more likely the other option would be death, I know many moderate Muslims, but the so called moderates are very, very silent arn’t they ? my background is German, does that mean all Germans were Nazi’s? of course not ! but out of 86 million Germans, who protested ? 90 percent were complacent !. What does or did that make the complacent ones ?, so out of 1.2 billion Muslims in the world where do they stand ? Islam is a vile, violent religion, I respect others rights to practice, but I don’t condone them letting them [ moderate Muslims] saying and doing nothing , do you ?

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 14, 2014 at 10:41 pm

          wolfgang
          Yes , I agree that Islam is a vile, violent religion.
          While some Muslims may be peaceful in spite of Islam, their religion is an open door excuse to commit violence.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm

        “…the so-called extremists as opposed to the so-called moderate Muslims.
        Yes there may be a distinction but let us not exaggerate it to the point that we overlook the sordid ideology that both share.”

        It’s tedious to keep reading the pap of Jay Boo, but every blue moon he blurts out something for the Jay Boo Bookmark (to go with his ejaculation back in February that “Islam is not 100% evil”).

  6. Mads says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Islam is to blame. I say this whilst knowing many Muslim people who are good and kind. Many are my neighbors and there is absolutely no way that these kind and hard-working people whom I know would ever be a part of this horror.
    Many of them are silent during these outrages but perhaps they must be as other Muslims in the area, rule the roost, so to speak.
    But Islam, in this day and age promotes death and killing. I am not the “best” Christian in that I do not attend Church every Sunday but the teachings of Jesus were teachings of peace and brotherhood.
    Islam as it is now practiced in Iraq and Syria and Gaza and Nigeria but Isis is to blame.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 14, 2014 at 9:47 pm

      ”Islam as it is now practiced in Iraq and Syria and Gaza and Nigeria but Isis is to blame”

      islam as it is *now* (my emphasis: Mirren) practiced ? islam has been practiced in exactly the same way, since mohammed first devised it. The IS is practicing islam according to the book. The koran.

      ”Many are my neighbors and there is absolutely no way that these kind and hard-working people whom I know would ever be a part of this horror.”

      Uh-huh. You carry on thinking that. Go to sleeeep …

      • wolfgang says

        Sep 14, 2014 at 10:31 pm

        from BUKHARI
        Volume 3, Book 43, Number 620 :
        Narrated by Abu Said Al-Khudri

        Allah’s Apostle said, “When the believers pass safely over (the bridge across) Hell, they will be stopped at a bridge in between Hell and Paradise where they will retaliate upon each other for the injustices done among them in the world, and when they get purified of all their sins, they will be admitted into Paradise. By Him in Whose Hands the life of Muhammad is everybody will recognize his dwelling in Paradise better than he recognizes his dwelling in this world.”
        ————————————————————————————————–
        Even in Hell they retaliate……..they get purified by STILL fighting each other ! get it ????….. and Muslim moderates still follow this trash ?

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 14, 2014 at 10:47 pm

          Good one

      • Sandra says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 3:02 am

        Islam has ALWAYS been violent. The core teaching of Islam is that anyone NOT Muslim is an “infidel”, and an infidel is to be killed, if the infidel does not willingly convert to Islam, or does not convert to Islam by force, or does not at least pretend to convert to Islam to stay alive, or stands his ground and refuses to convert to Islam. Killed. Slaughtered. Just like what is happening this very day to Christians and others who are not Muslim or who are not the KIND of Muslims that the ones now in control are. Death to them is what the Koran teaches. Men. Women. Children. Any age, from babies to adults. Infidels are to die. It is hard to know when a Muslim is truly your friend because in Islam it is also taught that lying and cheating, etc. is just fine if it is done to benefit Islam. This happens in Islamic countries and will happen in any non-Islamic countries, as soon as the Muslims get a foot in the door. Being politically-correct out of fear of Islam terrorists will not save us. We can be politically-correct as much as we want to, in order to “get along”; but if the Islamist terrorists take over, our political-correctness will have no benefit for us at all, if we refuse to become Muslim. Check it out: read the Koran, read up on Sharia law, talk to ex-Muslims who know the truth of Islam. We can bury our heads in the sand out of political-correctness, but if and when the Islamists take over my country, or yours, they will yank our heads out of the sand for a rude awakening: beheading.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 14, 2014 at 10:18 pm

      I told a “kind and hard-working” Muslim about Brother Rashid that I saw in video on the internet. (I mentioned Youtube)
      As soon as I said that Brother Rashid was a “former Muslim” I was told “You know that you can’t believe what you see on the internet”
      I never mentioned that Brother Rashid was critical of Islam.
      I wonder why he would suspect that so immediately.

      Anyway he discovered what he feared when he searched, but nothing sank into his hard head.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 2:35 pm

      “Many are my neighbors and there is absolutely no way that these kind and hard-working people whom I know would ever be a part of this horror.”

      That eerily resembles the kinds of statements non-Muslim friends, family, and neighbors tell the press after some horror their Muslim friend, family or neighbor perpetrated. “He wouldn’t hurt a fly…” they said, “shocked” that he could have done such a thing. E.F.C.

    • Mo says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm

      @ Mads

      “Islam is to blame. I say this whilst knowing many Muslim people who are good and kind. Many are my neighbors and there is absolutely no way that these kind and hard-working people whom I know would ever be a part of this horror.”

      Funny, that’s what we always here after a lone jihad attack. “But he was such a nice person! Whoda thunk it!”

      Yes, there are some good and kind Muslims. But ask yourself, if they are so good and kind, 1) Why do they follow the ideology of a warlord, child rapist prophet? I think that’s a fair question, and one that I never hear addressed. And 2) Why don’t they SPEAK UP against their coreligionists around the world who are committing such atrocities?

      “Many of them are silent during these outrages but perhaps they must be as other Muslims in the area, rule the roost, so to speak.”

      Not an excuse. Silence is assent.

      I used to be stronger on the “moderate Muslims” bandwagon. Certainly all Muslims do not behave violently. Certain, some may even have no interest in violence of any kind.

      But at this point we have to start asking ourselves… where are they? Where are the demonstrations against all the slaughter we are seeing day after day? Ask yourself why Muslims seem to have no problem protesting over cartoons and movies and demanding special treatment in the workplace, but there’s a deafening SILENCE from the Muslim community – even now that ISIS have taken center stage even in the liberal media!

      Where are they?

      “But Islam, in this day and age promotes death and killing.”

      Islam in EVERY day and age promotes death and killing. If you’d bothered to crack open a Koran and read about the warlord Mohammad, you’d know that.

      “I am not the “best” Christian in that I do not attend Church every Sunday but the teachings of Jesus were teachings of peace and brotherhood.”

      Jesus did not teach some sort of blanket peace and brotherhood. In fact, He said the exact opposite:

      Matthew 10:34-36

      “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. “For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.”

      (For the anti-Christian bigots out there, this is not a verse promoting physical violence against anyone. Read the entire passage. He’s talking about the divisions that come even within families when some members follow Christ and others do not.)

      “Islam as it is now practiced in Iraq and Syria and Gaza and Nigeria but Isis is to blame.”

      Can you show me how Islam is being practiced in Iraq and Syria and Gaza and Nigeria that is inconsistent with Islamic teaching?

      Islam is Islam is Islam. ISLAM is to blame.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 12:26 am

      Mads wrote:

      Islam is to blame. I say this whilst knowing many Muslim people who are good and kind. Many are my neighbors and there is absolutely no way that these kind and hard-working people whom I know would ever be a part of this horror.
      ……………………………..

      Don’t be so sure:

      “’We knew our Muslim neighbours all our lives…We had excellent relations. It never occurred to us that Muslim neighbours would betray us.'”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/09/we-knew-our-muslim-neighbours-all-our-liveswe-had-excellent-relations-it-never-occurred-to-us-that-m

      “Yazidis say Sunni Muslim neighbors enabled jihad attack, and joined in”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/yazidis-say-sunni-muslim-neighbors-enabled-jihad-attack-and-joined-in

      “Mosul Christian: Our Muslim neighbors drove us out”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/mosul-christian-our-muslim-neighbors-drove-us-out

      And this is nothing new—Armenian Christians were often utterly shocked when their Muslim neighbors turned then in or even gleefully joined in the slaughter.

  7. mortimer says

    Sep 14, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    Mohammed is the expert on Islam…not David Haines.

    “My provision has been placed under the shadow of my spear, and abasement and humility have been placed on the one who disobeys my command.” – Bukhari 61, 2756

    ABROGATION, David!

    The VIOLENT VERSES IN THE KORAN ABROGATE ALL THE VERSES from the earlier portion that are non-violent and tolerant!!!

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 14, 2014 at 10:58 pm

      Good news for Muslims
      Allah is calling you back home.
      If Muslims truly are to obey all the commands in their texts then they will surely want to know about a new and exciting recently discovered Volume 5 of Bukhari that commands all Muslims living on the East coast of the US to immediately head to the nearest fishing pier and walk east toward Mecca.

  8. Don McKellar says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09 am

    The thing is though, by the commands of the Koran and the examples in the Hadiths, the black-hooded monster is doing good! He’s doing the right thing! He is expelling evil with his beheadings of Kafir. That’s the inverted insanity of Islam that’s right there for anybody to read for themselves, but lying, idiotic politicians like Cameron and the rest WON’T read it for themselves and, if they have, REFUSE to tell it like it is. This whole denial of Islam is beyond anything any sane person could have imagined just 20 years ago. It’s mind-boggling.

  9. Chabuco says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 12:59 am

    Islam is peace, Islam is love. If you disagree with me… I’M GONNA CUT YOUR HEAD OFF!

  10. profitsbeard says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 1:22 am

    Those who follow the Koran literally become theocratic terrorists.

    Until this imbecilic literalism stops, we will have their homicidal Holy War.

    • mortimer says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 8:53 am

      Islam cannot be changed. There are 144 actual jihad verses and 60% of the text of the Koran is about conquering the dirty kafirs.

      The Koran would only be a pamphlet if you took all that out.

  11. Cunamarra says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 1:46 am

    I agree with the earlier comment about their evil being our good. This was the supreme triumph of Allah. He reversed the standard by which rational men judge good from evil. According to Allah, the man who was beheaded was the evil man deserving of a terrible disgrace in this world and horrible torture in the hereafter where he will be in Hell with Allah, and Allah is his torturer. The Koran details what this Allah has lined up for him. The be-header is the good man who is doing a moral positive according to Islamic morality. Allah is so delighted with his behavior that he promises him rewards in the hereafter. When Muhammad’s enemy, who had rejected him in Mecca, was beheaded and his head brought to Muhammad, Allah’s angel was said to have laughed with delight.

  12. Smart Guy says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 2:10 am

    It takes time for someone who has been brainwashed to recognize their error.
    They have to come to the realization that is was not only their government that has lied to them but also the media and even the church. Such a realization will lead to a metal breakdown. To come to the realization that even one’s parents have gone along with such lying is very hard.
    He was in shock so that no criticism against him is justified.
    To belong to the group that does not believe that Islam is a religion of peace is to belong to a small minority and who wants to belong to such a minority.
    The media will do whatever the government tells them what to do, they have to get their license from the government. England does not have a 1st amendment that protects the alternative media from government bullying.
    England is not a democracy. Voting for your politician does not make you a democracy. The truth tellers have to be above the law. Politicians that lie to the public have to be charged with a felony. These last 2 sentences do not exist in any country on this earth!! not even in America !!

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 3:11 pm

      Smart Guy wrote:

      It takes time for someone who has been brainwashed to recognize their error.
      They have to come to the realization that is was not only their government that has lied to them but also the media and even the church. Such a realization will lead to a metal breakdown…
      ……………………………….

      I don’t believe that such a realization leads to “mental breakdown”—just the opposite, in fact.

  13. Champ says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 3:02 am

    UK: Beheaded aid worker’s brother says Islam “not to blame”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This idiot sounds like he’s on the verge of converting to evil islam; which would be the final nail in his brother’s coffin …and this is also a blow to the truth about islam and company, as well.

    C’mon be a man, the unvarnished *truth* about islam is what people need to hear, not this slop …

    • fair_dinkum says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 3:14 am

      i know id be shouting it from the rooftops, if it were me. forever.

      and
      an eye for an eye.

  14. voegelinian says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 3:09 am

    Fuck these Leftists who get beheaded and their anxious family members. Operation FT (Fuck Them). We have more important things to worry about (like our societies).

    Any JW Softies care to dispute this…?

    • fair_dinkum says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 3:23 am

      no but id like to agree. hes a frigging stooge for them.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 10:24 am

      “who get beheaded ”

      You use the passive voice here and say nothing about those doing the beheading which ironically the exact same thing that Muslims do.

      It is ok to criticize these fools but don’t be so SOFT on their killers and Islam.

      You sound just like a Muslim, voegelinian .

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      Voegelinian wrote:

      Fuck these Leftists who get beheaded and their anxious family members. Operation FT (Fuck Them). We have more important things to worry about (like our societies).

      Any JW Softies care to dispute this…?
      ……………………………..

      Much as I am loath to wade into this Voegelinian morass, I have to say that these vicious Jihadists have no right to murder *any* of us, Leftists or not.

      I find it disturbing that you consider it “soft” on Islam to condemn this barbarity.

      And they hardly present a threat to “Leftists” alone. Not every journalist at risk is a “Leftist” (though all too many are), and not every aid worker is, either.

      For instance, the Barnabus Fund, which focuses on aiding Christians, is not “Leftist”.

      And the threat is certainly not just in the Islamic State—there is no reason to think that Lee Rigby, the British soldier beheaded in a London street, was a “Leftist”.

      And “Operation FT (Fuck Them)”—really? *This* is where you are taking your stand—not against the homicidal Muslims, but *against your own fellow citizens*?

      These people *are* willfully clueless, and this makes me angry—but not as angry as I am at throat-cutting savages.

      And you don’t think it is will adversely impact our societies if we are sanguine about ravening Jihadists *beheading our citizens*—whatever their politics or their understanding of the Jihad threat?

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 18, 2014 at 3:29 am

        I wrote (in a fit of intinitely understandable intemperate fury):

        “Fuck these Leftists who get beheaded and their anxious family members. Operation FT (Fuck Them). We have more important things to worry about (like our societies).

        Any JW Softies care to dispute this…?”

        gravenimage (gi) responded:

        “Much as I am loath to wade into this Voegelinian morass, I have to say that these vicious Jihadists have no right to murder *any* of us, Leftists or not.”

        Why would gi even mention that, unless she thinks I implied that? She thinks I think the jihadists have the right to murder Leftists? Where on Earth does she get that (particularly more baffling, knowing that she has been reading many of my comments over the years)?

        “I find it disturbing that you consider it “soft” on Islam to condemn this barbarity.”

        Where did I say I consider it soft on Islam to condemn the barbarity? That’s not how I understand softness. gi could (should) know this by reading what I’ve written about this dozens of times.

        “And they hardly present a threat to “Leftists” alone. Not every journalist at risk is a “Leftist” (though all too many are), and not every aid worker is, either.”

        Again, gi is strangely preaching to the choir as though the choir disagrees with her.

        “And the threat is certainly not just in the Islamic State—there is no reason to think that Lee Rigby, the British soldier beheaded in a London street, was a “Leftist”. ”

        I’m not sure what garden path gi is going down here. My comment was obviously referring to these specific Leftards who go blithely into harm’s way, then their family, Leftards too — like the Haines brother, who says Islam is “not to blame” for his brother’s beheading — seem uncomprehending of the horror that has destroyed their lives.

        “And “Operation FT (Fuck Them)”—really? *This* is where you are taking your stand—not against the homicidal Muslims, but *against your own fellow citizens*?”

        As the name implies (obviously half-facetiously), with the slang term “fuck them”, I’m saying essentially “abandon them” — not attack them or anything.

        “These people *are* willfully clueless, and this makes me angry—but not as angry as I am at throat-cutting savages.”

        And gi thinks I am not as angry at the Muslim beheaders? Why would she even imply that about me?

        “And you don’t think it is will adversely impact our societies if we are sanguine about ravening Jihadists *beheading our citizens*—whatever their politics or their understanding of the Jihad threat?”

        What gi can’t see, evidently, is two things:

        1) I’m not advocating or promoting that we be sanguine about the Muslim beheaders beheading our citizens;

        2) I am actually advocating a stronger stance than she is — I am so appalled and disgusted and horrified by these beheadings that my fury at the Leftists who insist it has nothing to do with Islam even when their own brothers get beheaded rises to a point where I say, “enough of that bullshit: if you want to endanger my life by promoting the reckless idea that this beheading that took your own brother’s life has nothing to do with Islam, then fuck you, you get no sympathy from me”.

  15. duh_swami says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 3:47 am

    Anyone who believes Allah is God, simply cannot be trusted.

  16. Night Shade says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 4:11 am

    Ironically, at least one Tafsir links the verse this deluded soul quoted to a beheading incident:

    Tafsir ibn Abbas (41:34) – “(The good deed) the call to Allah’s divine Oneness by the Prophet (pbuh) (and the evil deed are not alike) and the call to idolatry by Abu Jahl are not alike; it is also said that this means: the testimony that there is no deity save Allah and ascribing partners to Allah are not alike. (Repel) O Muhammad, lest he tries, (the evil deed) idolatry from Abu Jahl (with one which is better) with ” there is no deity save Allah ” ; it is also said that this means: repel evil from Abu Jahl with that which is better, i.e. with good words, greetings and kindness, if you do that (then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity) regarding religion, i.e. Abu Jahl ((will become) as though he was a bosom friend) as though he is of the same religion or a close relative.”

    Abu Jahl was seized in battle, stood upon and beheaded. His mutilated head was then drug around and paraded for the Muslims to view.

    It would seem that even in ignorance this man managed to point to the truth.

    Also notice what is deemed “good” (calling people to Allah’s oneness) and what is deemed “evil” (polytheism and basically everything else).

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      Good catch, Night Shade.

      More proof that the Islamic concepts of “good” and “evil” are almost diametrically opposed to that of civilized people.

  17. Laura says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 4:23 am

    He added: “The Muslim faith is not to blame for ISIL, nor is it the fault of people of Middle Eastern descent.”
    So who, or what, is responsible for the bloodshed, and why do people bend over backwards to distance Islam from the sickening Muslim violence. What does the ‘religion of peace’ have to do to make us all realise that the religion has violence at its very core?

  18. Lee Owen says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 4:44 am

    These idiots are just thugs who’d rather kill and terrorise people than work hard and put food on the table for their children.
    Sooner they get a 500lb dropped on their tent the better.

  19. David says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 4:49 am

    If I say that a “moderate Muslim” is not a very observant Muslim then the left in Australia (inc. the tax-payer funded ABC) responds, “Who are you to say who is, or is not a “good” Muslim?” They never say that when the British PM says that the monsters doing the beheadings are not Muslims. Who is he to say whether they are or not? The answer, of course is to compare them to the doctrines of the religion. On that basis ISIS are good Muslim adherents. The moderate Musim (if he exists) is not.

  20. duh_swami says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 4:55 am

    These idiots are just thugs who’d rather kill and terrorise people than work hard

    That’s sunnah, ainit?

  21. RICHTHOFEN says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 5:03 am

    Clearly under UK Government and PC/Human Rights brigade pressure, since they have a pathological fear of muslims and are determined to press their mythical concept of islam and claims that there are ‘moderate’ muslims which, clearly, there are not – you cannot be half dead – the concept of ‘moderate’ is haram, risking the claim of apostasy – the reward for which is death. UK must appreciate that ‘moderates’ never prevented a war – they really need to study history and try to face up to the reality of the medieval virus, which is islam – bent on our destruction. Their fear of ‘upsetting’ the millions of alien invaders needs to be overcome – they will turn on us, regardless of our capitulation and kow-towing appeasement – so deal with them -now – proscribe islam as incompatible with civilised society

  22. No Fear says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 5:12 am

    I have NO time for anyone who follows Mohammed as a role model in life.

  23. bicky says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 5:29 am

    Mahoundians butcher hindu woman and her two daughters in India, cops look the other way.pl read the below link.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/Cops-face-flak-in-Ekbalpore-triple-murder-case/articleshow/33754697.cms

  24. Kepha says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 5:58 am

    My guess is that Haines doesn’t want to throw bricks at the owner of his corner curry joint.

    Still, the PeeCeeism in his statement stinks.

  25. gerard says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 6:16 am

    “The Muslim faith is not to blame for ISIL, ”
    The very same ignorance and denial that got your brother killed…

    My recommendation to Cameron: Cut out the middle man ie Islam. Build your own Guillotine in Trafalgar square. Why go to Muslim lands to be chopped when it can be done much cheaper at home? I’m sure there’ll be plenty of takers: All those “Religion of Peacers” and “They don’t represent Islam”. Hey you could even set a good example yourself! As you ascend the scaffold you could have readings from the Koran. Any Imam would be glad to oblige, I’m sure. It could be televised via Al Jazeera and shown all over Mideast. What better way to show once and for all that you’re not Islamophobic at all?

  26. bertiebassett says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 6:40 am

    I completely agree that Islam is a religion of all sorts of violence.
    This is just an idea so don’t get upset at me.
    Re this denial by religious leaders, political leaders, most media types and others that IS and its behaviour has nothing to do with Islam –
    could this possibly be a concerted, conscious effort by all of the above to play mind games with those who follow IS and who are thinking of joining IS trying to make them think twice that maybe this has actually nothing to do with Islam?
    It’s staggering that soo many people of different levels of authority are getting this subject very wrong it’s either gross incompetency on a huge level or it’s deliberate.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      “It’s staggering that soo many people of different levels of authority are getting this subject very wrong it’s either gross incompetency on a huge level or it’s deliberate.”

      We must rule out the improbables:

      1) It can’t be gross incompetency (not on this scale).

      2) It can’t be stupidity (not on this scale; and besides, our leaders and representatives in Politics, News Media, and Academe are quite intelligent).

      3) It can’t be deliberate (not on this scale; most of our leaders and representatives in Politics, News Media, and Academe are relatively decent and would not knowing support an evil enemy of their society).

      Once we rule out these three improbables, are we left with nothing? What about sociology and culture? Methinks that the typical Counter-Jihadist who insists the explanation for our massive Western myopia to the problem of Islam must be one or more of the three above just hasn’t gotten out much, or when out has been strangely oblivious to the Forest for the Trees — the Forest of modern Western secularism and its massively mainstream and dominant Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism, a fashionable paradigm guiding society implicitly with insidiously user-friendly software, a Weltanschauung as prevalent as the air and sunshine on a brilliantly sunny day.

      Remember the crucial ingredients of this paradigm:

      1) “Diversity” is more important to protect than the lives of our men, women and children (as our silver-haired General Casey lectured the Americans he was supposed to be protecting)

      2) “Diversity” may be further unpacked to air out its noxiously smelly and incoherently convoluted ravel of underwear from the baggage the modern West carries around thusly: “Muslims are Brown People, therefore we cannot say or even think anything overly negative about them, lest we commit the thought crime and the hate speech of ‘racism’ — an exclusively white Western sin responsible for the worst and most shameful crimes of history and, moreover, itself a worse crime (cf. #1) than mayhem and murder.”

      3) The sheer numbers and dispersion of the Muslim Diaspora, a massive quantitative fact that only augments the psychological and cultural weight of #1 and #2.

      4) The demographic invasion of Muslims in the form of a mass immigration — seen by the mainstream West as an exodus of peaceful Brown People whose existential Burden must be the White Man’s to shoulder, but seen by the Muslims themselves (we must reasonably infer, from the mountain of data we have) as one grand wing of their global Jihad — involving a mélange of stealth jihad, Daw’a promoting the historical lies of the Myth of the Golden Age of Islam and supposed “contributions” of Islam to Western civilization, grievance-mongering laced with race-baiting, pseudo-moderation, and Islam apologetics promoting the TMOE meme (the problem is a Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Have Nothing To Do With Islam “radicalized” by the inherent racism of the West — which, furthermore (said the spider to the fly, said the Wolf Dressed as Grandma to the Bedridden Little Red Riding Hood) the vast majority of Peaceful Muslims can help the West solve!

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 4:36 pm

      bertiebassett wrote:

      I completely agree that Islam is a religion of all sorts of violence.
      This is just an idea so don’t get upset at me.
      Re this denial by religious leaders, political leaders, most media types and others that IS and its behaviour has nothing to do with Islam –
      could this possibly be a concerted, conscious effort by all of the above to play mind games with those who follow IS and who are thinking of joining IS trying to make them think twice that maybe this has actually nothing to do with Islam?
      …………………………………..

      Where to start?

      Firstly, why would pious Muslims listen to what the filthy Kuffar have to say about anything?

      Secondly, were this true it hasn’t been working very well, since pious Muslims from all over the world support ISIS—and in many cases are flocking to the Islamic State.

      Moreover, this denial that Jihad has anything to do with Islam *much predates* ISIS—we’ve been hearing the apologia for well over a decade.

      And you are assuming that religious leaders, politicians, the media and *even private citizens*—as here—are all working from *exactly the same script*, and that they are *deliberately* lying.

      This could never happen in a democracy.

      The fact, instead, is that many in the West have been influenced by the same “politically correct” mindset—and that they tend to influence others, as well, who don’t want to be accused of “Islamophobia”.

  27. tpellow says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 7:06 am

    “We MUST stamp on Islamic terror at home and abroad.

    THE Islamic State (IS) terror network has become a byword for bloodthirsty, pitiless fanaticism.”

    By Leo McKinstry.

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/511134/Leo-McKinstry-on-Islamic-State-barbarism-as-they-execute-Britsh-aid-worker-David-Haines

  28. R Cole says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 7:32 am

    It is difficult for people to comprehend how a religion could offer exclusivity on ‘good’.

    What we dealing with a man’s insanity – of the megalomania kind – and Muslims who are afraid to death to challenge his direction – in any real way.

    Fine words can’t explain how there is so much support for these ideas across the Islamic world.

    May the hostage rest in peace.

  29. jewdog says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 7:34 am

    How many Brits does it take to change a light bulb? None, because for a Brit there are no bad light bulbs, just misunderstood ones.

    • gerard says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 8:01 am

      Cameloon doesn’t speak for all Brits. Neither does the Media. Especially the Media.

      • jewdog says

        Sep 15, 2014 at 8:24 am

        I should hope not. He – and Obama and Kerry and others – has some nerve pronouncing on Islam. Fools names and fools faces are sometimes seen in public places.

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 15, 2014 at 1:42 pm

      🙂 Nice one, jewdog. However, if I may, it should be *leftard* Brits; I for one, don’t believe in ‘misunderstood’ lightbulbs, and there are a hell of a lot of Brits like me. 1000 of them marched in Rotherham, today.

  30. salamander says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 8:12 am

    As a once proud Scot I now am ashamed of what my country has become, I feel like decapitating myself. To hear the brother of David Haines saying his murdered brother has nothing do to with Islam makes it crystal clear how fucked we are. I was watching a debate on tele yesterday about Scottish Independence , sitting next to Nicola Sturgeon , George Galloway MP for Bradford , recalling his words to Sadaam Hussain “Sir I salute your courage, your strength your indefatigability” or to Bashar Assad ” he was like a breath of fresh air” George Galloway a Muslim having the nerve to sit there talking about my country sickened me. I foolishly thought that at some point Ms Sturgeon might have mentioned it was a bit iffy , but of course the Sturgeon is very pally herself with the Muslims . Yes/ No, I really don’t give a fuck I will be getting my claymore ready for when our Muslim friends come up my garden path to greet me .

  31. William says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 8:20 am

    Why would the Mohammedans in the West need to do or say anything in condemnation of their coreligionists ISIL murderers? They can keep their mouth shut for Cameron, Obama, so-called Christian clergy, families of the murdered victims, and so on, are all saying Islam has nothing to do with the violence and murders. Does anyone expect anything to change if these stupid people in the West continue as they are doing?

  32. Hex says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 8:23 am

    It’s most probable the government/authorities told him what to say

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 4:14 pm

      Britain is not so far gone that the government forces private citizens to shill for Islam.

      On the other hand, all too many there—and elsewhere in the West, as well—are all too apt to offer apologia themselves.

  33. Thomas says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 8:40 am

    It is because of idiots like this that we are going to lose!!! Islam is evil and must be defeated.

  34. London Grumpy says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Mike Haines has a lot of growing up to do.

  35. Marblenecltr says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Let me state an obvious fact with which David Cameron and many other rational people must agree. If the beheaded does not have a head in the first place, he will not be beheaded. Whether he uses the head or not does not matter.

  36. White Hunter says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Until now, the saying “seeing is believing” used to be beyond dispute, for obvious reasons. But the surviving brother’s delusional statement–after having seen his own brother’s head cut off–proves that even the most obvious truth cannot be taken for granted anymore.

    There is one way, and only one, for “good” moslems to prove that islam itself isn’t evil, and isn’t incompatible with, and a threat to, civilization: for a group of the most powerful ayatollahs, and the most respected and influential moslem university scholars, to join together in a strident, public declaration that ISIS and all of the other “misunderstanders of islam” (by whatever name) who engage in what every civilized person and nation recognizes as murderous terrorism are defaming and slandering islam and insulting mohammed by their actions, and then to pronounce a fatwa and jihad against them, with a promise of Paradise and 72 virgins to every “good” moslem who loses his life killing them in a cleansing holy war to protect “real” islam.

    And then encourage all those Western-born young moslem males who are now going to Syria and Iraq to join ISIS go there instead to exterminate them in exactly the kind of merciless, bloody warfare that has been the most conspicuous, and perhaps the only, moslem achievement since the beginning.

    That, if carried out, and nothing less than that, could redeem islam from its well-earned reputation as a threat to the civilized world, and entitle the “good” moslems to the acceptance in the West that they so stridently demand and sue in our own courts to win.

    But let’s not hold our breath waiting for any such thing to happen.

  37. SpiritOf1683 says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Well, Mike, your brother is dead BECAUSE of Islam. They hacked his head off in the name of ISLAM, and if you venture there yourself, that will happen to you because of ISLAM.

    Sadly, there seems to be no cure for stupid.

  38. Angemon says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    He added: “The Muslim faith is not to blame for ISIL, nor is it the fault of people of Middle Eastern descent.”

    ON a completely unrelated note, flour, butter, eggs, milk and cinnamon are not to blame for the slice of cake I had for breakfast, nor is it the fault of the baker…

  39. SpiritOf1683 says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Well, Mike, your brother is dead because of ISLAM. They hacked his head off in the name of ISLAM, and if you venture there yourself, that will happen to you because of ISLAM.

    Do you think that would have happened to your brother had Syria and the Middle East been populated with Catholic nuns or Buddhist monks, instead of ungrateful hate-filled Muslims?

    Sadly, there seems to be no cure for stupid.

  40. Carlos Danger says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    Darwin at work.

  41. Lee Owen says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    They need some pigs like on Hannibal and they could have jihad Jon for dinner

  42. Lee Owen says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    I don’t know what that is, all I do know is they are murdering cowards who don’t want to live normal lives

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 4:21 pm

      For devout Muslims, this savagery *is* perfectly “normal”.

  43. Talal says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    He probably read the Quran to know what it contains. You can read it too. Quran in English is here http://www.clearquran.com

  44. gravenimage says

    Sep 15, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    UK: Beheaded aid worker’s brother says Islam “not to blame”

    “His voice breaking with emotion, Haines read out a passage from the Koran saying: ‘Since good and evil cannot be equal, repel thou evil with something that is better.’”
    …………………………………

    I’m afraid that Haines doesn’t realize that this is exactly what the pious Muslims of the Islamic State thought they were doing by beheading this poor man’s charitable brother.

    Islam uses words quite differently than we do.

    • jus wundrin says

      Sep 16, 2014 at 12:38 am

      Well put gravenimage, well put.

      The useful idiots of the west will never accept the reality that in the eyes of islam, it is they who are the evil ones.

  45. Jerry says

    Sep 16, 2014 at 2:26 am

    Islam is not to blame.

    The gullibility and decietfulness of Western apologists for it is.

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