How did this drunken lout get such a negative view of Allah? Could it be from Muslims who react with hair-trigger violence to any insult? Do you think that if this obnoxious drunk had walked into a church and starting cursing Christ, he would have been knocked out? Unlikely. But in Islam, the combination of piety and violence is not uncommon, and is indeed reinforced by the Qur’an’s calls for violence against unbelievers (2:191; 4:89; 9:5; 9:29; 47:4, etc.).
(Warning: the clip contains strong language.) “SHOCKING VIDEO: Man curses Allah in kebab shop, gets knocked out,” by Tom Rawle, Daily Star, September 20, 2014:
In video footage, the man is seen walking to the counter in the fast food place arguing at a group of youths.
As he points his finger at his attacker, the man, who appears to be intoxicated, tells him to “f*** Allah”.
The person filming suddenly stands up as the man is confronted.
Seconds later, the man is punched in the face and knocked to the floor.
His head hits the counter and he is filmed laying motionless on the ground.
One of the other men in the shop is heard saying: “Have that you f****** c***.”
The man lays motionless on the kebab shop floor KO: The man lays motionless on the kebab shop floor
He continues to antagonise the unconscious victim telling him to “say it again, say it again”.
But the man fails to respond.
In the extended version of the video, the man filming tells the attacker to call the police as it was “his own fault” and he has the incident “on video”.
The video has spread online with many commenting on the sickening clip.
One commented: “If there is justice in this world the attacker would be paying his fines to the court on assault charges.”
Another wrote: “Knocking him out won’t change his opinion.”
Jade says
The attacker needs to go to jail. Words don’t give anyone the right to physically attack. Of course these Muslims are violent by nature and the guy is lucky he wasn’t beheaded for his words.
Neil Jennison says
The drunk was a fool, and an offensive fool at that.
[ I say that because there can be no good reason for walking into a Muslim shop and saying that other than to be obnoxious and annoy them. If as part of a debate or discussion he said he thought “the Muslim Allah was Satan” then fair enough. ]
But of course that does not justify the response at all. It is typical alas, of the PC society that people feel they have a right not to be offended.
On the contrary, people should have a right to offend in a free country.
Kepha says
I rather agree with you, Neil, at this point. I don’t like obnoxious people myself, and I think the drunk was, as our esteemed host has labeled him, a “drunken lout”.
But I can’t help but notice that his behavior in the kebab shop still doesn’t go as far as the viciously loutish and thuggish behavior of too many Muslim immigrants and sojourners in the West. The Rotherham rape gang which includes at least one really pig-faced specimen being a case in point.
voegelinian says
Westerners (the Westerners whose illustrious heritage includes the valiant fight against the Axis Powers in WW2) would have to do an insane amount of atrocities over an insane amount of time to even begin to get close to approximating “Becoming Like Them” (whereas, to the PC MC and many asymptotics, if one Westerner does something bad against Muslims, it’s evidence that we could Become Like Them — unless we check our Inner Evil White Western Proclivity toward Racism & Bigotry & Hate, by suppressing our own thought crimes, ostracizing or legislating against our fellows for their “hate speech”, and otherwise advancing policy that continues to benefit Muslims). I.e., this “Becoming Like Them” idea (and the ever-present — but never realized — threat of a “Backlash” against Muslims) functions more as an ideological dogma, not as a reasoned interpretation of facts.
Neil Jennison says
Once again Vogey, I agree, but again the two are not mutually exclusive.
Yes, there is no excuse for hitting someone who offends you. Whatever the reason.
“”would have to do an insane amount of atrocities over an insane amount of time to even begin to get close to approximating “Becoming Like Them””
Well no, your comment may have validity if you replaced “becoming like them” with “becoming as bad as them”. Like, as in, share some attributes with.
But one of the things we detest about Islam and believe is incompatible with the free west, is the way it treats Muslims as superior to the rest before the law. So all I am arguing for is fairness for everyone before the law.
If we abandon our belief in fairness, then that is what we would be doing. Nothing to do with PC. Just fairness.
Threat of a backlash doesn’t enter into my thinking one iota. Neither does any “inner evil white western evil ” latent thoughts.
I have said there is no excuse for hitting someone who offends you. It doesn’t alter the fact that it is an anti-social thing to do, walk into a kebab shop and deliberately annoy someone. Yes, it shouldn’t be illegal, just anti-social. The situation would be the same if it there was a Jewish kebab shop (if there are any) and the bloke had said something offensive about the holocaust.
paddy says
Kepha…go way.
Voeg? Are you taking drugs? Idiot!
voegelinian says
The problem with Jennison’s response is that the valid points he makes are unremarkable (while the one or two invalid points are unnecessary and/or counter-productive).
Going to the time & trouble to express the truisms of civilized society (i.e., of our actual Western societies — sans all the blemishes that no society in history is free from) that “fairness for everyone before the law” is a good thing and that “it is an anti-social thing to do, [to] walk into a kebab shop and deliberately annoy someone” (which, he adds, “shouldn’t be illegal” but should be “just anti-social”) is a most curious time & trouble to take. It implies that the decent intelligent community of readers from the West and the Rest of the free world (which of course excludes the entire Muslim world and those regimes still implementing various forms of Communism) reading this thread don’t already know this and therefore need to be reminded of something so painfully elementary. One reasonably assumes that Jennison is intelligent enough to be able to recognize this fact; and one then reasonably conjectures that his need to express these truisms in a public forum of relatively decent intelligent Westerners who already know these truisms belies an underlying anxiety that feels the need to express them because, logically (following the logic of this anxiety), he feels his own Western society does in fact need to be reminded of this (even though people free of all traces of PC MC know that it doesn’t — at least not in a forum like this; though it would be appropriate in other contexts, such as, e.g., if one is a social worker helping troubled teens or if one is a counselor for a clinic helping dysfunctional individuals who have anger management issues, etc.). This anxiety indicates an asymptotic tendency which derives from the PC MC neurosis of irrationally excessive self-criticism of the West.
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Then, quoting me — “would have to do an insane amount of atrocities over an insane amount of time to even begin to get close to approximating “Becoming Like Them” ”
— Jennison remarks:
Well no, your comment may have validity if you replaced “becoming like them” with “becoming as bad as them”. Like, as in, share some attributes with.
Firstly, there is no “may” about this. This would be one of the sine qua nons of membership in the Counter-Jihad. We don’t need any members who have vaguely lurking misgivings about the darker side of their West — not when our West, through its paradigm shift into the worldview of PC MC, has become neurotically, yea morbidly obsessed with its own failings and “shameful chapters” of its own history and culture and expresses this obsession through a veritable industry of propagandistic self-flagellation seen nearly everywhere — by our politicians, by our mainstream news media, by our academics when they step outside their ivory tower to speak in the public square through lectures or op-eds in newspapers or blogs; in school curricula, in college courses, in popular books, movies, TV shows, on the radio, in podcasts chaired by insipidly glib Useful Idiots… did I leave any sociocultural venue out? Could there possibly be any nook or cranny of our West where this PC MC neurosis does not intrude its rampantly suffocating tentacles? Oh yes, there still are a tiny number of nooks and crannies: in preciously few and still too small communities like Jihad Watch — which is why I find such asymptotic twitches and burps and farts as Jennison evinces whenever I see them repellant and aggrieving (and then he adds insult to injury by protesting that he’s not at all PC and “hates” PC). The reader may want to take a look at this long exchange I had with Jennison a few weeks ago, beginning with my first salvo, and continuing down from there.
Jennison also wrote:
But one of the things we detest about Islam and believe is incompatible with the free west, is the way it treats Muslims as superior to the rest before the law. So all I am arguing for is fairness for everyone before the law.
This would be an expression of the asymptotic convolution of the PC MC pretzel logic concerning its precious value of “tolerance”.
In this PC MC pretzel logic, we begin our analytical unraveling of it by noting that, of course, PC MC values “tolerance” as its First Commandment (= the General George Casey Dictum).
However, the PC MC is in a quandary when he regards Muslims, whom he considers to be an Ethnic People (or a wonderfully diverse tapestry, mosaic, stir-fry of Ethnic Peoples), and then when his brain, as compromised as it has become by its PC MC deformation, cannot prevent the mountain of data indicating that Muslims following their Islam are horribly intolerant of others (and how many Muslims don’t follow their Islam — and anyway, the PC MC is supposed to “celebrate” and “respect” the culture, the Islam, of these precious Ethnic People anyway). While the PC MC cannot prevent that data from entering into his brain, luckily for his neurotic deformation (and for the “diversity” of his society he wants so anxiously to preserve), he can reconfigure that data and put it through a wringer of pretzel logic:
In the tortured logic of the PC MC mind:
(Our) tolerance of (Islamic) intolerance is required; which means that the West may not tolerate an intolerance (1) of intolerance (2) — where 1 is Western and 2 is Islamic: and at the same time it means that the West must be intolerant (1) of intolerance (2) — where 1 is Western and 2 represents our fellow Westerners who refuse to tolerate Islamic intolerance.
Rendering it more simply reveals its inherent incoherence and self-contradictory silliness (yet believed in so earnestly by so many millions of our fellow Westerners):
Tolerance of intolerance is required; which means that the West may not tolerate an intolerance of intolerance — yet at the same time, the West must be intolerant of intolerance.
So, to sum up: according to PC MC, intolerance is okay, as long as it is:
a) Islamic
and
b) PC MC, when we PC MC Westerners direct it at ourselves (and our fellow Westerners) if we smell the slightest bit of intolerance against Islamic intolerance.
And by the same token, tolerance is always okay, with the two exceptions implied above:
a) we must not expect tolerance from Muslims if anything resembling intolerance — as measured by Western values — is deemed to be part of their culture/religion
and
b) we must not tolerate any Westerners among us who might tolerate the intolerance that will not tolerate the intolerance of Islam.
Now, how does this relate to the asymptotic tendency? Well, first we must recall that the asymptotic tendency is the retention of traces of the PC MC impulse in the Counter-Jihad individual who otherwise fools himself into thinking he is free of PC MC (or, in rarer cases, actually is aware that he has PC MC infecting his brain, but is curiously unapologetic about that fact — in which case the Counter-Jihad should politely but firmly show him the rear flaps of our Big Tent and deposit his rear end out on the turf behind the portable toilets there and ask him not to return).
Secondly, we must remember that the logic behind all these pretzel convolutions in PC MC is rooted in the closely intertwined principles of
1) Reverse Racism (where Muslims are perceived to be an Ethnic People or a wonderfully diverse Rainbow of Ethnic Peoples) who — ipso facto — must be treated with extra respect and deference
and
2) Excessive Self-Criticism of our own West.
Conclusion: One suspects that Jennison’s tiny anxieties about “fairness” toward Muslims and about the propensity for Westerners to do bad things hinting of “Backlash” (despite his protestations that he doesn’t harbor these anxieties) stem from his asymptotic tendency which reveals itself in little ways when he expresses his sincere concerns. Or it’s possible he is a full-blown PC MC, pretending to be Counter-Jihad but unable to suppress telltale signs of his PC MC here and there (or perhaps at times insinuating them into his comments on purpose in order to try to nudge the Counter-Jihad in the “right” direction; or just to test the waters and see if his hints of PC MC are retaliated against by the “many people” here at Jihad Watch (and logically in the Counter-Jihad at large) he thinks indulge in thought crimes, such as:
“BUT it is wrong to say that all people who identify themselves as Muslims are bad people.”
— about which he added, after I told him that nobody of any significance here at JW or in the Counter-Jihad is saying such things:
“But many people ARE saying it. Just read some of the posts on this site.”
Again, I invite the reader to read my previous
long exchange with Jennison in another thread, in which I unpack all the complex evasions he deftly tries to sidestep like a tap-dancing Fred Astaire, and in the process of my analysis of these, I clarify further the patterns of his thought relevant to this discussion here.
voegelinian says
P.S. (re: my comment to Jennison):
And beyond all this, I don’t see the behavior of this “lout” as being all that bad, frankly. In any other context, if done to any non-Muslim individuals or people, it would have been clearly bad, for reasons perfectly unremarkable and elementary in our relatively decent Western society. But since Muslims are at war with us and their culturally inculcated hatred of the Other is fanatically motivating them to be enabling a metastasizing danger of violence and terror attacks (whether through stealth jihad, demographic jihad, or aggrandizement jihad) against our men, women and children, the behavior of this “lout” is not “anti-social” — only tactically clumsy. But I guess Jennison doesn’t think Muslims are at war with us and don’t have a culturally inculcated hatred of the Other that is fanatically motivating them to be enabling a metastasizing danger of terror attacks (whether through stealth jihad, demographic jihad, or aggrandizement jihad) against our men, women and children. Jennison evidently only thinks a Minority of Extremists pose this problem for our societies, not the majority of Muslims who are as nice and friendly as his Muslim friend “Paul”, who ran the curry house on Spittal Hill in Sheffield and who cooked such great Shami Kebabs (I mean, being nice, friendly, and cooking tasty food must mean Paul’s not harboring a fanatical hatred of the Other which is hidden behind a mask of deceit, with both the hidden real face and the deceitful mask inculcated by the evil Muhammad he continues to venerate… right? I mean, we must assume this about any given Muslim we encounter in the West who isn’t blatantly vociferating hate speech or stabbing someone or lighting a fuse — because failing to do so would betray our value of “fairness” which, apparently (pace the General George Casey’s Dictum), is more important for us to safeguard than the physical safety of our men, women and children).
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Oh, and “paddy” — don’t you have a wagon to catch?
bernie says
Yes. The guy who punched him can use “provocation” as a defense, but it was still aggravated assault, and the puncher should be charged for it. He (and the other people in the establishment) could have said to the lout, “Shut up and f**k off, or the cops’ll come here and arrest you.” That would have been the reasonable thing to do.
And, like others have pointed out, we cannot tell from the clip whether or not someone had been provoking the lout beforehand.
Neil Jennison says
Vogey,
You accuse me of writing “” points are unnecessary and/or counter-productive).””
You do this without any apparent irony about the essay you wrote. Your own narcissism appears to know no bounds.
I am not going to bother to go through it all. It would serve no purpose.
I will just say, you are still keen on assumptions you “know” to be true, but which are not.
As a Catholic, I have to be fair to all humans. End of story, nothing deeper. Pre-dates the modern usage of the phrase PC.
You actually then doubt my bona fides that I am unbothered about a Muslim backlash. Well that’s up to you.
Just because you say something Vogey, it doesn’t make it true. You are not Tony Blair you know.
You then write a long passage about how there is “no may about” the West being superior …
Why? No one was disputing it.
Then the narcissism comes out when you repeat an earlier exchange and ask any readers to agree with you. Why?
Do you think anyone else gives a shit about this pointless drivel?
You can carry on this pathetic attempt to show that you are right and that I am a liar, and/or self deluded from now until we have Sharia Law.
If it means so much to you and your fragile ego, then yes. I will admit it Vogey. I am a PC git who is ashamed of our history and the disgraceful way we terrorized the peace loving Muslims and Africans, and Aussie Aborigines and whoever else I have forgotten and I am terrified of a Muslim backlash if we tell the truth about Islam….sorry that’s lie about Islam and pretend it is anything other than a religion of peace.
Perhaps you will believe that ?
Mike Merola says
I have to admit I have mixed feelings on this one. If a Muslim walked into a store where I was and started yelling ‘f*** Jesus’ , I might very well have lost it and drilled him. Not saying that is right, but my emotions might just get the best of me. I DO agree with what the drunk says about Allah and Islam, but he WAS being totally provocative. If I did that, I would EXPECT to get punched.
Mirren10 says
To punch someone who is impaired, is an act of cowardice.
David Olds says
The Muslim Allah IS Satan.
He has civil rights – freedom of speech.
Arrest the thugs!
Where did this happen?
Huck Folder says
NAMP won’t touch the assaulter, only the drunk.
sheik yer'mami says
He was attacked because he cursed allah, Muhammad’s alter ego. Had he cursed Muhammad, he would be dead.
Paul says
Your remark explains in a nutshell much of the Muhammadan cult of personality, and it explains why the first pillar, so called, of Sunni Islam looks so much like two very different pillars shoved together clumsily by sycophantic hacks. At least Mo, however, didn’t claim to be one in being with his own god.
Now, perhaps Muhammad has been slandered by people who only claim to be Muslims. Maybe in true Islam, Muhammad has his own pillar, the sixth. Muhammad, you see, is a very humble man, and no humble prophet would want his followers to put him along side the god or before man’s obligations to the god, i.e. before pillars two through five. So, the sixth pillar of true Islam states that Muhammad is the prophet of the god. This implies that Sunni Muslims are heretics and distorters of Islam.
No Fear says
Mohammed was a gangster. His henchmen were obedient because they wanted the “eternal reward” that Mohammed promised them. To enlist more henchmen Mohammed insisted on good breeding practices such as disease control, and polygamy and raping the wives of the enemies that were killed in battle.
Mohammed was a grub who should have been drowned at birth.
Neil Jennison says
If Mohammed existed and if the things written by him and his followers are true, then he was certainly not a humble man.
He was a vicious, nasty and barbaric sexual predator, rapist, and warmonger. On the same level as Adolf Hitler.
It beats me how anyone could look up to such total git.
Know Thy Enemy says
I disagree. Hitler was better. Unlike Mo he was not a womanizer.
Ok, on a more serious note, the reason why Muhammadans “look up to such total git” has to do with the *emotional* side of human psychology. I am no psychologist, but I understand that the emotional side has a lot stronger control on humans than rational/logical side. It was only some 50,000 years ago that the rational/logical component began to strongly develop in the human brain, whereas emotions have controlled mammals for ….. as long as they (mammals) have existed.
Therefore, emotions like Fear, Loyalty, and desire for rewards, etc are very deeply embedded in our psyche, and Islam controls its followers primarily, in fact entirely, through these emotions. There is no way a Muhammadan is going to ditch his faith just because we provide a rational argument that Mu was a fraud.
Muslims believe that if any argument against Islam begins to make sense, then that is Satan beginning to succeed in his attempts to deceive the believer. The Muslim must therefore do whatever it takes to get all these logical/rational corruption out of his head and keep Satan away!
Good luck making people with such viewpoints ditch Islam. Ali Sina is a genius when it comes to making his point to Muslims and millions of people have visited his site, yet he has managed to make only a few thousand people apostatize from Islam.
Even the highly educated people (e.g Zuhdi Jasser, Tarek Fatah, etc) won’t leave Islam, though they see and admit that things are not right. Why? Because of loyalty. Islam/Ummah makes it a matter of loyalty to stay or quit, and as I mentioned before, loyalty is a very strong human emotion.
Combine this with the facts that the influential ‘leaders’, MSM, and institutions all over the world actually support Islam, so there is no reason left for a follower to quit. Add to this the fact that Islam is given conditions to grow and thrive in the west, and it becomes more rewarding to *join* Islam than to quit.
Add to all this the fact that non-Muslims would rather live as dhimmis than take the risk of being called ‘racists’ or ‘Islamophobes’, and a Muslim has nowhere to go even if s/he wanted to quit. Humans can sense weakness even if they can’t explain it. Who wants to join dhimmis and quislings? This IMO is one of the main reason why Muslimahs don’t quit Islam and why non-Muslim women are attracted to it. They see and sense manliness in Islam, and they don’t see it in others.
There is only one way to make Muslims understand: To speak the language that they understand AND to become stronger than they are! In one of your comments you interpreted it as “becoming as bad as them”, but I posit that it is not the same thing. A thug and a warrior both have weapons and indulge in violence, yet one is a ‘thug’ whereas the other is a ‘warrior of honor’. What is it that differentiates the two?
Before I provide my solution to fixing the problem of Muhammadans, I want to point out that I am a man of non-violence and never hurt other creatures, even insects. Mosquitoes and cockroaches however are exempt from my non-violence policy. I kill mosquitoes the moment I see them, and if I see cockroaches around, I borrow my friend’s pet lizard for a few days. Would you say that my claims about me being non-violent are incorrect? Would you say I am out of my mind? Or would you say what I do is the wise thing to do?
A significant percentage of Muslims in the west are now aware of Muhammad’s ugly details, and emotional reasons (as discussed above) are the primary reasons why they stick to Islam. What we need to do is speak the language of fear (as warriors, not as thugs) with them. They will certainly fight back and play victims. That is where we need to show some manliness, get an upper hand over them in physical strength, and if they say “why are you opposing us?”, say we need them to ditch Islam and start showing loyalty to western ideas. If they say “oh, but Islam is western too”, make it clear to them that we are not going to fall for their taqiyya! Do not be afraid to deport every single one of them if needed. Confiscate the mosques and every other building owned by Muslim groups and convert them into liquor-clubs! Please don’t tell me this is “becoming as bad as them”, because it is not. These actions are manliness of a warrior and need to be done if we are ensure the safety of our future generations from Islam.
We do not have to kill anyone. The fear of deportation to Islamic hellholes will be enough to dwarf the fear that Islam puts on Muslims. THAT is when they will begin to give a deeper thought to whether Muhammad really was a prophet. THAT is what will dwarf their fear of Satan. THAT is when the western principles will start making sense to them. If we can maintain such manliness for two generations, THAT is what will make them quit Islam and join humanity!
(Oh and as a bonus, women will be more attracted to us than to Islam and Muhammadans 🙂 )
This was a long post but I thought it was necessary to point all these things out. Thanks for reading.
pdxnag says
The trigger phrase here could have been the suggestion that those who believe in Allah should “get the f— out.” They won’t leave without a fight. The battle lines are becoming quite clean. Even someone who is drunk can articulate the proper line.
voegelinian says
Very likely to be true — i.e., yes.
Huck Folder says
mo is ingrate and allah is his sock-puppet.
TONY DAVIS says
Offend some SAVAGE and this is the result. Nonetheless, under sharia Shiite law the SAVAGE is not guilty!!! No doubt the sharia police will arrest the victim!!!
Jay Boo says
Considering the Muslim rape gangs set loose by Muslims on non Muslims, I would have to say his comments were not offensive at all to nasty pervert Allah.
They were in fact a compliment that Allah does not even deserve.
Know Thy Enemy says
My experience has been that Muslims are far more protective of Muhammad than they are of Allah. One will hear about Muslims complaining about Allah as often as non-Muslims complaining about their own Gods (about how He doesn’t care, and/or has screwed things up in the world, etc etc)
But one will never hear a Muslim complaining about Muhammad. Regarding anything! Even liberal Muslims (e.g. Zuhdi Jasser) won’t touch Mo, no matter what.
Know Thy Enemy says
I see that sheik yer’mami already pointed this out!
Bamaguje says
And they object to being called “Mohammedans.”
Methinks Muslims are more protective of Mohammed because the depraved prophet wannabe has so much muck on him – rapist, mass murderer, paedophile, philandering womanizer, slave dealer etc.
Consequently, the easiest way to destroy Islam is to take Mo’ to the cleaners.
Allah on the other hand is just a figment of Mohammed’s infertile imagination.
TH says
That is because they don’t like facts. The fact is that the religion is a lot more about Mahommad than Allah, about whom only 14% of the Qu´ran, the Sira and hadiths. The major topic of islamic texts are about Mahommad and how to treat the “kafur” (killing, maiming etc). So, there is very little about Allah. So, I think that we should always call the Mahommedans precisely because it is based on facts and they don’t like it.
Besides, if the official islamic source give a horrible picture of Mahommad, as a pedophile, a bandit, a warlord who massacred hosts of Jews and Christians as well as pagans, a sex maniac who invented verses of the Qur´an to justify his depraved sexual instinct. All of that is there for anyone to read, then they have no reasonable motive to get mad at us if we only remind them of what their official sources state.
Another question is that Mahommad seems sto be mostly legend, a kind of hodpode of several dispar sources. Islam, as Robert Spencer explains in his book “Did Mahommad Exist?” has a very flimsy historical basis, if it has any at all. It is a pack of lies and deceit, cooked up decades after the supposed death of Mahommad in 632, plus the historical basis for Mecca being the credle of Islam is also extremely shaky.
bernie says
I don’t know what religion the Ugandan tribespeople are supposed to be, but there’s the song “Hasa Diga Eebowhai” from the comedy musical “The Book of Mormon” by Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Basically, the phrase is a curse towards God.
Angemon says
This is exactly the kind of reasoning he would get away with in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, or any other islamic 3rd world hellhole. The kufr insulted allah therefore the muslim administrated justice – in fact, the guy knocked out would probably have to face criminal charges while his attacker would likely get away with a slap in the wrist, if not scot-free.
pdxnag says
Same reasoning as with the zombie Mohammad case two years ago.
Same reasoning as when a Muslim affirms that yes there is free speech, immediately qualified by the assertion not that it shall be protected but that it must have consequences. In which case it is not free.
mortimer says
Allah is an execrable TERRORIST who gives eternal commands like: “TURHIBUNNA” (terrorize them) Koran 8.60.
Muslims know that Allah commands terrorism, but lie about it…both to us and to themselves. Islam commands its followers to be delusional.
No Fear says
Yep.
Jay Boo says
Allah always obeyed everything Muhammad commanded him to ‘reveal’ to Muhammad.
Coincidentally
Jay Boo says
meant as a reply to mortimer
CogitoErgoSum says
So much for the right to free speech whenever Muslims are around. Definitely a crime of assault and battery was committed here and documented on video. Charges need to be pressed and justice meted out to the attackers. These thugs MUST NOT ever be allowed to get away with forceing their religious beliefs on others. I say their Allah comes from Hell and their Muhammad was a lying, pedophile pervert …. and no display of violence and uncivilized behavior by them will ever change my belief in the truth of that.
Jay Boo says
He should have felt sorry for the drunk for daring to challenge the wrath and insult the all powerful and vengeful Allah.
Unless of course Allah was just a helpless wimp and sock-puppet of Muhammad.
It appears that the attacker whether he was a Muslim or appeaser to Islam realized that helpless Allah needs a lot of back-up.
Undaunted says
The drunken lout is just plain stupid. He thought he was giving a brief lecture and it turned out he was walking into an ass-whupping: his own. I don’t feel sorry for him at all. If you’re going to go into a fight, never be drunk and always use speed, surprise, and audacity… which you cannot do when you’re shit-faced. He got taught a lesson, in this case by a Muslim. Oh, well.
CogitoErgoSum says
So you are saying it’s okay to beat up an obnoxious drunk when he says something you don’l like?
Undaunted says
Not saying that at all. I’m saying the lout should have had a better plan.
Jay Boo says
A better plan would be to hack into these Muslim’s smart phone prayer apps to point them facing the North pole for five years and then mock the hell out of them for having to repeat five years of prayers all over again.
That would teach them not to pick on drunks.
Myxlplik says
You’ve lived a martial life, training & living a large part of your life in martial combat changes the way you see things. Hard to translate it, if you haven’t lived it. Unfortunately for the rest of us Kaffers this idiot and his stupid yapper managed to create another victory for Allah.
CogitoErgoSum says
I’d like to know what transpired previously to cause the drunken man to say what he did about Allah. Could these Muslims have been provoking him and harrassing him because they saw that he was drunk … taunting him because he wasn’t following their precepts about the use alcohol? Yes, some drunks are obnoxious ….. but slugging one unexpectedly in the face does not fit into my code of ethics.
Angemon says
CogitoErgoSum posted:
“I’d like to know what transpired previously to cause the drunken man to say what he did about Allah. Could these Muslims have been provoking him and harrassing him because they saw that he was drunk … taunting him because he wasn’t following their precepts about the use alcohol?”
That is a really good question. The reputation of islam and muslims in the UK seems to be on a ever growing downward slope, with the rape gangs, false claims of increase in “islamophobic” incidents, and growing support of the islamic state (which, according to David “Coward Dhimmi” Cameron has nothing to do with islam), to name a few. Certainly a video of a non-muslim insulting islam and/or muslims would be paraded around as evidence of how hard muslims have it in the UK, even if the “offender” was clearly intoxicated and the video didn’t rule out that he was replying to provocations.
Know Thy Enemy says
I am not sure if it is entirely the lout’s fault. He most likely gets all his knowledge of Muslims from the normal sources- the top ‘leaders’ (e.g David Cameron), the MSM, and all the other reputed ‘experts’.
He was clearly under the impression that Muslims are just like any other people, just as all those journalists, including the ones who got beheaded, have been under similar impressions!
This drunk lout is lucky that he simply got knocked out. Those poor journalists have been paying a much higher price for….. well I don’t know exactly who to blame for their delusions…… their (journos) own poor research, or the lies of our leaders and apologists who we instinctively trust.
Mirren10 says
What I found interesting was his reference to taqiyya. Word is getting out.
Rob says
Here’s my song called ‘Taqiyya Dance’:
voegelinian says
It’s hard to make out whether he meant “tequila”.
Jay Boo says
“Word is getting out”
voegelinian
Why must you always put a fly in the punch bowl of anti-jihad
redbane says
If he had walked into my Church and cursed out Christ, he most certainly would have been knocked out. The one and only positive aspect to Islam is that they are willing to take up arms for their cause. I wish Christians would do likewise.
Mirren10 says
”If he had walked into my Church and cursed out Christ, he most certainly would have been knocked out.”
He didn’t walk into a church, he was in a **kebab** shop, for Heaven’s sake.
”The one and only positive aspect to Islam is that they are willing to take up arms for their cause. I wish Christians would do likewise.”
Really ? And do you likewise approve of all the vile, murderous things they do in ”taking up arms for their cause” ? You do realise, don’t you, that jihad has a *purpose*, ie: to make all the world for ‘allah’, and to kill, forcibly convert, or dhimmify all Christians like you ?
Eels says
“The one and only positive aspect to Islam is that they are willing to take up arms for their cause. I wish Christians would do likewise”
You what?
Couldn’t disagree more.
There is nothing postive about Islam taking up arms for their cause.
Why do you wish Christians would do likewise?
What specifically should cause Christians take up arms?
Brian Hoff says
There is than story about than redneck racist from the deep south went to New York City slum where all the black live in no matter how framour or wealth they where in the 1950’s. He shout racist insult at then afew came out than breat the shit out of him then the NYCP arrest him later for inisting than riot which he did.
bernie says
That remind me of the scene in the movie “Die Hard 3”, in which McClean is forced to stand in the middle of Harlem, and wear I sign that reads, “I hate n**gers.” He almost gets killed, but the Samuel Jackson character rescues him.
re: the drunken lout. No, he shouldn’t have been acting like that, but there are some (presumably non-drunken Muslims) who go onto online forums and elsewhere and say some extremely offensive things against Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. The guy who punched out the lout, would he have any objections to Muslims who act equally (or even more) offensively to non-Muslim people?
Western Canadian says
“There is than story about than redneck racist from the deep south went to New York City slum where all the black live in no matter how framour or wealth they where in the 1950’s. He shout racist insult at then afew came out than breat the shit out of him then the NYCP arrest him later for inisting than riot which he did.”
Brain Off once again offers up a load of semi-literate drivel, a made up story with comments that, even for that time in history, were obviously false….
Brain Off, we know you are a typical devout mussie: ignorant an incredibly thick headed. Don’t bother us again.
Anushirvan says
Non-muslims shouldn’t enter kebab shops, anyway. Drunk or otherwise !
Kepha says
Sorry, folks, but I like kebaps, curries, beef or lamb jiaozi, niurou mian, and a lot of other things that Muslim restaurateurs sell. When I was newly married in Taiwan, my wife introduced me to a halal noodle shop near her old Alma Mater which was popular with students and staff (95%+ of them non-Muslim), and when I traveled in the Golden Triangle region of Thailand, a lot of the best restaurants were run by Muslim Chinese. If all they’re doing is a food business, then they deserve a modicum of respect from people who walk into their shops. The guy who got punched out was a drunken lout who was asking for trouble.
Sure, come down like a ton of bricks on the rape grooming gangs (and I say it’s too bad the Scandinavian countries and Britain don’t hang people for such things). If they stop traffic on a main thoroughfare by sticking their butts in the air, arrest them for being public nuisances. I’m also for vigorous, even armed defense against pillaging scumbags pretending their victims of racism.
But by all means, being a drunken lout is, well, being a drunken lout.
David Olds says
Hey! You are only half programmed. Return to Multicultural indoctrination School before you wake up and smell the Islamists.
Neil Jennison says
Kebabs are great! Especially Turkish ones. If anyone ever visits Sheffield I recommend Zeugma on London Road. Absolutely fantastic.
Mirren10 says
”If all they’re doing is a food business, then they deserve a modicum of respect from people who walk into their shops. The guy who got punched out was a drunken lout who was asking for trouble.”
No-one is denying he was a drunken lout.
So, your answer to anyone who ‘insults’ a person’s religious beliefs, is to punch them in the face ? Particularly if that person is **impaired** (drunk), and consequently in no condition to defend themselves ?
Thanks, Kepha. It’s taken me a long time to make up my mind about you, but now I have.
Perfectchild says
If a UK police officer walked past and witnessed the Hate Speech, he would have been arrested. (Stasi)
If a previous BBC One Show Employee overheard he would be arrested.(Quisling)
The Moderate Enrichment Muslim overheard, he got a sucker punch. (IQ 80)
A True Muslim would have killed a kufar to get past virgins to young boy pearls in their imaginary paradise of whores. (These Crossover-the-Border NAZI Homosexuals that every External God makes every male separate and reinvented from reason and not conscience and their now negated souls that feed off the living).
What’s not to like about the truth serum called alcohol that Fascists, Socialists and Communists deny the common Man but not themselves.
Western Canadian says
Your comment is complete gibberish, not capable of being understood.
Mirren10 says
‘Perfectchild’ is the drunk bloke in the kebab shop ! 🙂
Brian Hoff says
This video is than fake first I would taken away the video recorder away from the other guy include his cell plone than earse the video tape and earse verything on his cell phone. I was taught this in Intelligence agents school.
duh_swami says
I was taught this in Intelligence agents school’…
No wonder you is so smart.
Mirren10 says
:). I **love** you duh-swami !
Foolster41 says
Yes, conceiling evidence and hiding truth. How very truthful and noble of you!
Western Canadian says
Oh, your habit of spewing complete and utter gibberish, must mean you are speaking in code, and we have to break the code to understand you….
How about, ‘muslims (RTC) are all blood thirsty idiots who cannot be trusted!!!”
In that case, you would be making sense.
Myxlplik says
Most of the really big guys aren’t good punchers, just don’t let one get his meat hooks on you.
Eyes closed mouth flapping chin first, great tactics … Guess if you’re big you don’t have to think about combat ;).
Babs says
Krav Maga is the answer :))
Myxlplik says
Most people lack the drive and discipline to learn a martial art. Boils do to sporting a bad ass t-shirt and lining your instructors pockets 95% of the time.
If you are not willing to spend 20-30 hours a week training, then enjoy the t-shirt.
I trained 30 hours a week for 3 years in a similar style and only started to get good, then dislocated my hip. You’ll have to dedicate your mind body and spirit to it.
lebel says
If a Muslim had walked into a church in the Southern US (or god forbid a synagogue in the West) and gotten his ass kicked for shouting obscenities, I can safely predict that everyone here would be singing a completely different tune.
Angemon says
lebel posted:
“If a Muslim had walked into a church in the Southern US (or god forbid a synagogue in the West) and gotten his ass kicked for shouting obscenities, I can safely predict that everyone here would be singing a completely different tune.”
Muslim in church/synagogue, drunk man in kebab shop… Not exactly a fair, unbiased, equivalent comparison, wouldn’t you say? Besides, we don’t even know if the guy wasn’t goaded in some way.
Kepha says
A Muslim walks into a Christian bookstore, puts on his nastiest war-face, and yells, “Jesus will come back, break all crosses, and kill all you filthy practitioners of shirk!”
A customer turns to him and calmly says, “Friend, your religion posits an uncreated Qur’an next to ‘Allah, while mine says the Son and Spirit are coeternal with the Father, and that all three persons are properly three-in-one {while your Qur’an accuses me of worshipping God, Jesus, and Mary); your book denies Jesus died on the cross while mine says his death on the cross is an atonement sufficient for the sins of the world, and while your Muhammad only conquered the Arabian Peninsula, my Jesus conquered death and Hell; so, why don’t you forget your foolish religion and join mine?”
The Muslim thereupon runs from the store screaming at the top of his lungs, “Racists! Islamophobes! Hate crime!”
duh_swami says
I used to tell them that whoever threw the first punch was going to jail…And who ever threw the first punch did go to jail…
Guy Macher says
Where are the soccer hooligans? And why would a civilized person have any economic dealings with a barbarian?
PGuud says
Are there any men in the UK? If so, are you ever going to rise up and fight back? Your streets should be on fire until every Muslim has been removed from within your borders. What is it going to take for you to do something?
Present-day Brits are an embarrassment. They complain about the Muslim vermin, but do nothing more about it. Shame.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
Neil Jennison says
If we took that attitude we would be no better than what Islam and Mohammed teach.
The answer to intolerant, supremacist, evil ideologies is not in any way to mimic them, but to stick 100% by OUR principles.
Yes, stop Islamic immigration (it should never have been allowed). Yes, spread the word about Islam and what it means. But, ensure the laws are fair (and yes, they are not in the UK, freedom of speech has been compromised) and then they are upheld for ALL (Muslims included) .
duh_swami says
but to stick 100% by OUR principles.
What if I don’t care for your principals and would rather go for the throat?
PGuud says
Ah! Western projection. Of course.
Muslims don’t care about your laws or principles, or what have you. Muslims may obey your laws, but only until they no longer have to. Yes, I am contending that about every Muslim. Muslims don’t share your worldview. Muslims don’t care for your way of life. Muslims only care to supplant you and lay claim to your property and whatnot. They want your lands. They want to Islamize you and your lands. When are you people going to realize that Muslims don’t–and will never–see eye to eye with you on all matters of liberty? They don’t care for freedom. They don’t want freedom. They want the rule of Islam over all else.
Go live among them and experience it for yourself.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
Babs says
You know little about Islam, which consistently misperceives our quiet determination and any any soft answers meant to turn away wrath as weakness and licence to perpetrate more of the same insults/violence.
No, we need to counter them from within their own very limited perception of what constitutes right and wrong and what the punishment should be for doing wrong.
There simply isn’t time to wait for daft governments to play catch up with the dangers we are facing from Islam. UK laws are weighted heavily in favour of the new, warped meaning of maintaining community cohesion in the UK – which means that Muslims must be kept sweet at whatever the cost, regardless of the extent to which they take liberties.
Muslims feel offended at the drop of a hat and officialdom leaps to their rescue.
Perhaps one answer is for all of us to take a leaf out of their book – to sensitise our offence meters and get outraged and offended very quickly and every time we feel insulted by Muslim behaviours, and never fail to tell our wonderful police and MPs about it.
voegelinian says
Ah, I knew I could count on some commenters embodying pretty much exactly what I pointed out in my earlier comment way up above somewhere (and, incidentally, more evidence of the asymptotic tendency).
Babs says
That Muslim leaders are beginning to make statements against Islamist terror (whether or not you can believe what they say) and are complaining more loudly than usual that they are being got at means that they are on the back foot now.
And, may God forgive me, I am glad about that.
But from what I am seeing and hearing, men and women in the UK may be nearing the tipping point which may result in violence unless our dopey government and police get their collective backsides in gear and do something about the problems that Islamic overentitlement brings.
Many of us saw it coming at 9/11 and it became more concrete on 7/7 and subsequently. The chutzpa has increased exponentially.
In most cases so far it’s a passive, non-violent resistance – refusing to buy halal meat from supermarkets or shop in Muslim stores, complaining to the police when da’wah organisations set up stalls in public places, usually sporting collecting boxes for which they have no licences.
During Defensive Edge, I myself complained to the police when I was accosted by Muslim students from the local college who were “collecting for Gaza” although they wore no identification and they couldn’t tell me, when I asked, which charity they were collecting for.
“Accosted” is the correct term, too. I have participated in many street collections for various charities and the rules are very clear. One is supposed to have a licence and is given an ID badge which must be prominentaly displayed (none of them had one). One is not allowed to solicit funds by preventing people from passing, or shouting about the charity one is collecting for, much less insult or berate people who, having been accosted, refuse to donate. There were so many of these people, carefully watched over by their imam, that I and other shoppers could barely get down the street. I told them that I didn’t want to contribute and particularly not because they didn’t seem to know where the money was going.
The reactions were unpleasant and I could see that others on the receiving end were similarly disenchanted.
I know that my call was logged by the police but doubt that they did anything.
David Olds says
It’s too late for the British. America can still stop the Islamist influx.
Denis MacEoin says
In this case, my sympathies are with the Muslim. Perrhaps a knock-out punch was too much, but if a drunken lout entered your place of business cursing your girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, best friend, etc., I suspect many of you would punch him. The lout was out of order, and the kebab shop owner should have rung the police, but instead acted instinctively because he quite rightly took offence. This is not particularly related to other levels of Muslim violence. No-one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion. I can’t believe the bigotry of so many comments here. We need to criticize Islam, and I do so regularly. But some of us need to grow up a lot in the way we do so.
Myxlplik says
I was rooting for the drunk to be honest, because I like drunks more than I like Muslims. There was no way to tell who was right or wrong from the short clip. Just wished he wasn’t so stupid and half passed out already when he went to pick the fight.
He doesn’t look like the sort who expects people to fight back though, used to intimidation working things out for him. Word to the wise, when confronting Muslims, bring your A game.
Angemon says
Denis MacEoin posted:
“if a drunken lout entered your place of business cursing your girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, best friend, etc., I suspect many of you would punch him.”
Was the attacker the owner of the kebab shop? And did the attacked insulted his girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, best friend, etc? As for what others would do I suspect most of us here wouldn’t come to blows with him unless it was for self-defense – very likely most of us here would tell him to shut up and call the police sooner than punching him.
“The lout was out of order, and the kebab shop owner should have rung the police, but instead acted instinctively because he quite rightly took offence.”
Once again, where does it say the attacker was the owner? It seems like you’re looking for excuses to defend the attacker…
“No-one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion.”
Really? Says who? Let’s say I’m eating pork and a muslim comes and tells me I’m insulting his religion because pork is haram and I, as a kufr, must must do as he says. Should I stop eating and throw my mean in the trash bin because I don’t have the right to offend his religion?
“ I can’t believe the bigotry of so many comments here.”
Yeah, I can’t believe the amount of “bigots” defending the guy who got sucker-punched while intoxicated for insulting a non-existent entity… /sarc off
bernie says
Exactly. Or, let’s say that someone in the UK is wearing a crucifix, a yarmulke, or a Sikh turban and some extremist Muslim gets offended by that. Well, too bad. If they don’t like it, then they should move to Saudi Arabia.
duh_swami says
No-one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion. I can’t believe the bigotry…
I reserve the right to offend anyones religion I choose…
No one has the right to tell me I can’t do it.
CogitoErgoSum says
Denis, where do you find the information that it was the shop owner who punched the drunken man? No one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion? So who gets to decide what is offensive? You? Me? Big Brother? The Pope? The Grand Mufti? Freedom of speech means being able to speak freely even if somebody else doesn’t like hearing it ….. and punching somebody in the face (especially without warning) is against the law in my country ….. and I hope it always stays that way. An unexpected punch to the face can sometimes cause death ….. I’ve never heard of harsh words killing anybody. So punch out all the obnoxious drunks you come across …. but I hope you face charges for it. You can sympathize with the Muslim but he won’t get any sympathy from me. Throwing a sucker punch is cowardly and even more contemptible than being a loud drunk (especially one who may have been taunted and harrassed). Include yourself among those who need to grow up.
A.BillWarnerPupil says
Supposing the drunken lout was just repeating what he had said outside the shop to the “group of youths”?
The ones who hang around outside the shop and consider lone drunken kafirs with shaven heads to be the perfect victim for mobbing mockery and derision.
Something made the staff in the shop start videoing him..
Seeing that he was being videoed and being full of looney,juice he thought he could repeat what he had said to their cousins outside before ordering his post-p#ss-up usual.
Whatever.
The attacker should be prosecuted.
For the sake of “community-cohesion”.
Anon says
“…a knock-out punch was too much…”
Gee, thanks for agreeing with everyone.
“No-one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion.”
No person has the right to falsely claim offense.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/denmark-muslim-leader-who-stoked-muhammad-cartoon-rage-now-says-he-regrets-his-actions
I’m sure you would like to see the establishment of an “offense” police, that would be a problem, it’s called Sharia law.
Babs says
Tell that to Muslims who regularly offend mine, Denis. Your opinions do you credit but they also reinforce the double standards which prevail in the UK and by which Muslim “victimhood” is shored up. The Muslim should have been arrested for violence.
voegelinian says
Ah, Denis McEoin, the dubious JWer, who seems to have a knack for coming down on the wrong side. Here, he reduces the whole incident to an equivalence where Islam is no longer a factor.
Angemon says
Denis MacEoin posted:
“No-one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion.”
Oh really? The fist chapter of the quran states:
“Guide us to the Straight Path.
The path of those upon whom you have bestowed your blessings, those whose (portion) is not wrath, nor of those who have gone astray.”
The ones “whose portion is wrath” are the jews (who, according to islamic orthodoxy, have angered allah), and the ones “who have gone astray” are the christians (who, according to islamic orthodoxy, had revelations from God but strayed from it). And muslims recite this mumbo jumbo in arabic several times per day during their prayers. So the jews have angered allah and the christians have lost their path? Is that not an insult to jews and christians? Don’t muslims insult jews and christians several times per day, and don’t they claim such insults are “sacred”?
ECAW says
“No-one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion”
I’m quite shocked at this view. We do have the right to offend someone’s religion although that right has been much eroded by the misguided hate speech legislation which acts as a de facto blasphemy law. What we shouldn’t have is a right not to be offended and in the case of Islam we have the duty to ridicule the ridiculous. It might just get the idea across that not everyone treats their religion with the deference they think it deserves and insist on.
Neil Jennison says
“No one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion?”
Of course they do. Whatever happened to freedom of opinion and expression? Who decided what is offensive?
If a Muslim talks offence when somebody points out Mohammed was as elf confessed pervert, are you saying that we shouldn’t be allowed to state the fact?
Religion is a belief, and political opinion is a belief too. Can we no offend communists by saying their philosophy is evil and destructive?
Where did this mythical “right not to offended” come from?
David Olds says
I have the right to insult any persons religion!
I was born a free American.
It’s called the marketplace of ideas and FREEDOM.
You are so busy tiptoeing around peoples feelings you didn’t notice the islamobigots laughing and taking advantage of your naïveté.
Go back to sleep. If being polite could have stopped Islam we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
voegelinian says
Nearly a decade ago, Jihad Watch published something of an Open Letter from Doctor Denis MacEoin, in which he complains about the problem (in his mind) of too many comments on Jihad Watch seeming (or being) “racist”:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/09/a-reply-from-denis-maceoin
Apropos of my other comment here to Neil Jennison, and with regard to my concept of the “asymptotic tendency”, one finds in this good Doctor, clearly besotted with PC MC, the protestation that
“I am an opponent of political correctness and did not object to postings because they were not PC, but because many of them were actually racist and bigoted.”
This is precisely the point of my coinage: the asymptotic is the Counter-Jihadist who thinks he’s free of PC MC, even as those with eyes in their head can see his PC MC derriere (i.e., his pimply ass) in full view as he walks around as though fully clothed like the famously Unclothed Emperor of the fairy tale.
JW readers should really read (or re-read) that old thread — particularly the luxuriously long and gorgeously brilliant reply by Hugh Fitzgerald one finds upon scrolling down the comments.
voegelinian says
Then take a look at this comment by MacEoin:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/malaysia-planes-religious-muslim-co-pilot-spoke-mysterious-last-words-just-before-signalling-systems-were-shut-off/comment-page-1#comment-1024326
Aside from insisting that because Muslims are so “diverse” we must therefore conclude that they are harmless, he also inflates their world numbers as Islamopologists do, to “2.6 billion”.
voegelinian says
And, again apropos of the asymptotic tendency, back in 2005 a JW commenter “Billy Bass” found an article by Denis MacEoin that seemed contrary to his other spasms and reflexes of PC MC (fretting so about the “racism” and “bigotry” and “ignorance of Islam” he finds in the Counter-Jihad):
“…The good scholar [i.e., MacEoin] deplored the abusive tone of some of the comments posted here at Dhimmi Watch. As a result of this, he was going to cancel his subscription to DW. One of his quotes was:
My advice to most of those posting messages here is simple: learn something solid about Islam before you set yourselves up as judges and juries to condemn Muslims.
“You may be interested to learn that Dr MacEoin has written a letter to the Guardian newspaper in London today (10th August):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,1545760,00.html#article_continue
As another scholar (in Islamic studies), I would challenge Nick Megoran’s almost benign view of Hizb ut-Tahrir (Letters, August 9). It may not encourage immediate violence, but it certainly creates an ideology that must inevitably lead to it. It expressly argues that offensive jihad is a duty for Muslims, it derides democracy as a western evil, rejects interfaith dialogue as a conspiracy against Islam, describes compromise as un-Islamic, advocates an all-or-nothing solution to conflicts, speaks of the inevitably of a clash of civilisations, justifies the execution of apostates, recommends war against Jews, Christians and polytheists until the world is a single Islamic state, and says that “a bloody struggle [will continue] alongside the intellectual struggle”. Is it so hard to see how a young radical might move from their extremism to acts of violence?
Bill Bass then asks:
“Is this a case of a Damascene conversion?”
I’m afraid not, Bill Bass (if you’re still around JW). We see that MacEoin has not learned one iota in ten years of his scholarly study of Islam (and even ten years ago, he was already a master of Islamic Studies capable of lecturing the Great Unwashed in JW comments threads). What we see in that Guardian article is rather the curious schizophrenia of the asymptotic; for the asymptotic is so precisely because, unlike the PC MC, he has assimilated so much real data about Islam that alarms and appalls — only problem is, his residual PC MC instincts deep down cause him to recoil at that data and to redouble his Denial, more torturously even than the pretzel logic of the PC MC.
Mirren10 says
Hi voeg, thanks so much for posting that article.
I’ve been gradually making my way through the JW archives, but haven’t yet come across that one.
I loved the comments, not only the inimitable Mr Fitzgerald, but also CGW, duh-swami, and Susanp. Absolutely brilliant.
What a pompous, self-congratulatory twat this ‘Denis MacEoin’ is !
Good to know his noms de plume, also. I shall avoid them like the plague.
voegelinian says
“”I loved the comments, not only the inimitable Mr Fitzgerald, but also CGW, duh-swami, and Susanp.”
The JW commenter Susanp (who I believe had a previous nickname), by the way, is responsible for perhaps my favorite Jihad Watch Comments quote of all time:
I have heard it said that ‘human nature is universal’ but muslims blew that theory to hell.
Four years ago, incidentally, I featured this quote prominently in an essay I published on my blog — an essay recounting how I got banned from Jihad Watch for implying that Muslims are “not human” (though that accusation was a tortured misunderstanding of my point, which that linked essay explains exhaustively for those who care about the truth).
Mirren10 says
”In this case, my sympathies are with the Muslim. Perrhaps a knock-out punch was too much, but if a drunken lout entered your place of business cursing your girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, best friend, etc., I suspect many of you would punch him.”
Ah, yet another attempt by a leftard mohammedan apologist to muddy the waters.
The drunken lout didn’t curse a girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, best friend. He cursed ‘allah’ the evil sock puppet of the evil mohammed. Even if he *had* cursed someone’s personal relatives/friends, your considered opinion is that it was perfectly OK to assault him ? When he was **drunk** ?
I’ve cursed ‘allah’, and mohammed, to mohammedans, when I was stone cold sober. I wonder why they didn’t sucker-punch me ? Could it be because they knew I would retaliate in kind ?
He was **drunk**, ie: he was **impaired**. And according to you, the correct response to such a person is to sucker-punch him when he is unable to defend himself. What wonderful ‘morality’.
” … the kebab shop owner should have rung the police, but instead acted instinctively because he quite rightly took offence.”
Right. So when someone offends me, I should react instinctively, and punch them in the face ? **You** offend **me**; is it OK if I punch you in the face ? But leftard morons like you are unable to reason from A to B.
”No-one has the right to offend somebody else’s religion.”
Crap. This is the very essence of free speech; to say what another person doesn’t want to hear, what they find offensive.
Where were you when the moron who created the ‘Piss Christ’ crawled out of the wood work ? If a Christian had punched that moronic creep in the face, drunk or sober, would you have then defended their right to be offended, and commit violence because of it ?
No, I’ll **bet** you wouldn’t. Like all you mohammedan leftard apologists, your ire only rises when it is a question of **mohammedans** being ‘offended’. Your hypocrisy makes me vomit.
”I can’t believe the bigotry of so many comments here”
There is no ‘bigotry’. Bigotry is the state of mind where one group of people seeks to degrade the rights of another, on the basis of colour, or religion, or whatever basis they choose. What we are demanding, is that mohammedans be held to the same laws and mores as the rest of us. If you call yourself an educated person, then you should familiarise yourself with what words actually **mean**, or is your name actually Humpty Dumpty ?
” We need to criticize Islam, and I do so regularly. But some of us need to grow up a lot in the way we do so.”
If you criticise islam regularly, where does this amazing feat take place ? Do post some links, so we can judge for ourselves, where you ”criticise islam regularly”.
The only person who needs to ”grow up” here, is you. But you are so in love with your own self-inflated sense of superiority, entirely unfounded, that you are incapable of looking at anything with an objective mind. And that, horrifically, is the state of education, and academe, in the West. Thank God you haven’t managed to infect **everyone** with your stupidity.
You apparently taught at Durham. I was at Durham. I certainly never came across you, but if I had, I would have made you a laughing stock. Which you are.
Max Publius says
If this were a drunk Native American in his own country knocked out by a white man for saying F. Jesus, Holder would be lecturing us for months.
duh_swami says
He may have been drunk, but anyone who insults Allah is no lout.
Babs says
Was the Muslim arrested? Or were the UK police far too conflicted about who to arrest??
Babs says
Was the Muslim arrested? If not was it because the UK police far too conflicted about who to arrest??
Rob says
OT
I have just put together this music video which I’m calling, ‘Nothing to do with islam’. Please let me know what you think. I’m open to feedback, as this is still a work in progress-including how to get the images to be clearer. Thanks for any feedback.
Rob
ECAW says
Like it!
If you think this would be a better illustration for Cameron, then welcome:
http://ecawblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/cropped-a-deceit4-cameron1.jpg
Rob says
ECAW, I really like the pic…and it looks like a better quality photo too. I’m going to pull the lower quality photos and replace them with higher quality and this photo will definitely replace my Ca-moron pics. Thanks!
Rob says
ECAW,
Here’s the updated version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydBD-6izYfE&feature=youtu.be
I hope you enjoy it! Feel free to pass it on.
Rob
Mirren10 says
I like it, but a better illustration would be a pic of camoron bending his neck to Jihadi John, or a pic of his wife and daughter, dressed in niqabs, submitting to clitorectomories.
Babs says
It’s good! It will be even better when, as you suggest, the images are made clearer. It’ll go viral if I have anything to do with it, and my MP will be among the first I send the link to!
Rob says
Thanks Babs! I’ll get to work on cleaning it up. Just like most everyone here, I just want to find a way to wake people up, and music is my passion…and, for me, it’s a good outlet for all of the insanity, (not the least of which is our ‘leaders’ in the west) that I witness, everyday. If it were to go viral, I would be ecstatic, mostly because it would indicate that people are beginning to wake up. Thanks again!
Rob
Rob says
Hey Babs,
Here’s the newest version which I think is better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydBD-6izYfE&feature=youtu.be
Rob
Babs says
That’s better, although some of the imagery is still a bit fuzzy. Something jumped out at me – at 2:18, when you show the still of the second orange jumpsuited prisoner being held by the jihadi – I get the distinct impression that it’s a woman or at least a not yet mature male or someone very slightly built. Something about the way in which s/he held the prisoner. What do you and others think?
Keep on keeping on
citycat says
If the drunk had have been a heavy looking sober dude then i doubt the muslim would have punched, maybe stab him in the back when he was not looking. Muslims are bullies therefore muslims are cowards.
Mirren10 says
Yes, I agree. It is very cowardly to attack someone who is clearly impaired.
Giorgi Mussili says
English minority in London. They are becoming like the Native Americans I don’t see many where did they all escape to?
A.BillWarnerPupil says
I apologise for my previous post because I have since viewed the full video (or one of them) which was posted to YouTube on 13th of September. (Could the actual Kebab house incident happened on the 11th of September???
Seems like The Daily Star was late picking up on the story.
I now feel certain that the attacker with the sucker punch and the video taker (and others) were part of the “group of youths” reffered to in the Daily Star article which Robert picked upon.
The Staff of the Kebab Shop were not involved in the attack or the filmimg of it.
Indee, in one of the videos the staff seem to be calling the police and one of the “group of youths” seems to be saying “call them then he deserved what he got.” or words to that effect.
One video I have seen which is the full unedited version shows them leaving the kebab shop making their escape and telling each other that the Drunken lout deserved what he got.
I wrongly assumed it was the shop staff doing the attacking and videoing.
Of course the lack of clarity is not Robert Spencer’s fault, but entirely the Daily Star’s fault.
Sorry – can’t provide a link for the other versions of the video of the incident but search and you will find.
I now think all of the “group of youths” should be prosecuted but doubt that they will be.
Myxlplik says
The truth is that you just can’t run your stupid yapper at people and not expect a fight, so while I agree with the drunk and his assertions about Allah, don’t run your pie hole unless you can back it up.
What universe are you from if you think you can just run your dumb yap at people and not get into a physical confrontation?
Somebody runs their dumb yapper at me like that, they just might see the same response… heck it almost happened a few months ago lol, but the jackass could tell I was about to crush him, so he backed down.
I don’t fault the Muslim one bit, but wish the Kaffer had a better plan.
Myxlplik says
When the Muslim guys stood up, it looked like drunk guy was going for a grab to me, I’d have stood up if someone talked to me like that and if they tried to touch me I’d respond. Period.
David Olds says
I fault the Muslim.
And stop running yer pie hole.
Myxlplik says
Would you blame a rattlesnake for biting you if you purposly riled it with a stick? I think the guy is only slightly less stupid than those journalists who ran off and got their heads cut off.
LibertysSon says
Yeah, Tough Muslim Men can Knock out 74 year Old Men. I’m really impressed. More wonderfulness from “Religion of Peace”