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UK Muslim leaders demand that Cameron call the Islamic State the “Un-Islamic State”

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SughraAhmed“Using the group’s preferred name could help it radicalise yet more Britons, the signatories wrote.” So apparently they would have us believe that David Cameron calling the Islamic State “the Islamic State” will make young Muslims in Britain think that it is an Islamic State, and that they must go wage jihad on its behalf. And that makes sense, since David Cameron is such a renowned imam, his word on Islam commands singular respect among Muslims.

But what are the Islamic Society of Britain, New Horizons in British Islam, the Association of British Muslims and the Association of Muslim Lawyers doing to teach young Muslims that the Islamic State’s understanding of Islam is wrong? Are they taking any steps at all in that direction, or are all their efforts aimed at keeping the kuffar ignorant and complacent?

“Isis should be called the ‘Un-Islamic State’: British Muslims call on David Cameron to stop spread of propaganda,” by Andrew Griffin, the Independent, September 14, 2014 (thanks to Jerk Chicken):

Calling the terror group that today claimed to have killed another aid worker the Islamic State legitimises it, and politicians should stop using its preferred name to help halt the radicalisation of British Muslims, leading groups have said.

A group of prominent Muslims has written to David Cameron to ask that he uses a different name for the group, and to lead a national debate on what it should be called.

“We propose that ‘Un-Islamic State’ (UIS) could be an accurate and fair alternative name to describe this group and its agenda – and we will begin to call it that,” the letter says.

Signatories to the letter include Sughra Ahmed, the president of the Islamic Society of Britain. Members of New Horizons in British Islam, the Association of British Muslims and the Association of Muslim Lawyers also signed the letter.

Using the group’s preferred name could help it radicalise yet more Britons, the signatories wrote.

“We need to work together and make sure that these fanatics don’t get the propaganda that they feed off,” the letter says.

“This isn’t going to fix the problem of some young people in our community being radicalised by extremists. There’s more we need to do, together, to tackle that.

“But confronting this falsehood, that it’s somehow ‘Islamic’ to go off to Iraq or Syria and murder people, is a step in the right direction.”

Security services believe as many as 500 Britons have gone to the Middle East to fight, and British politicians have raised fears about jihadis returning to Britain.

The letter was released just before Isis released a video claiming to have killed a British aid worker.

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  1. I suggest that these pious Muslims simply call it the Absurdity, because that’s what they want us to believe that it is–a thoroughly Islamic entity that isn’t.

    • the terrorist group of islam. well call it what it is. changing the name isn’t going to help any thing. we aren’t at war with islam? well what are we at war with the qur’an? witch to me is one and the same.

    • You’re absolutely correct. Muslims never contribute but only have demands from the government of country they reside, among them is changing facts in history books because they offended by some of the information, changing laws that serves their agenda etc

  2. Why lie? ISIS is Islam, Islam is ISIS. They’re just following that most “peaceful” of holy books-the Qur’an. Take your request and shove it.

  4. Ha! Ha! The self-consciously Islamic ISIS is ‘non-Islamic’? Ha! Ha!

    It’s identical to Saudi Arabia and tries to EXACTLY copy the caliphates of the first two centuries of the Islamic Era!

    Ha! Ha! RATHER, the Islamic Society of Britain, New Horizons in British Islam, the Association of British Muslims and the Association of Muslim Lawyers are ALL NOT ISLAMIC ENOUGH…they are HYPOCRITES and half-hearted Muslims!

  6. Signatories to the letter include Sughra Ahmed, the president of the Islamic Society of Britain. Members of New Horizons in British Islam, the Association of British Muslims and the Association of Muslim Lawyers also signed the letter.

    Did Anjem Choudary sign that too?

    Using the group’s preferred name could help it radicalise yet more Britons, the signatories wrote.

    *scratches head*

    So we’re supposed to believe that muslim Britons pledge allegiance to the IS not because of its values and law but because it’s called “islamic state”? And we’re supposed to believe that muslims were some sort of scientific geniuses back in the middle ages?

    No, it’s more likely they want to test the waters and see what they can get away with. Getting the leader of the kuffar to say that the islamic state doesn’t represent islam, like a good little dhimmi, is ensuring he’s sharia-compliant – dhimmies aren’t allowed to criticize islam.

  7. Maybe we can also do a retrograde referral of Nazi Germany as UN-Nazi Germany, as we don’t want anyone to associate Nazis with what the Goose stepping extremists in that land did between 1933 and 1945.

  8. OK, I respect those UK Muslims who don’t want to associate with IS; just as my hat’s off to the Pakistani-origin lawyer who prosecuted the rape gangs and chastised his Anglo-Saxon colleagues for losing their nerve.

    • Yes. I begin to see their point. We really oughta call it something else. We should call the Islamic State the Un-Islamic State so as to distinguish it from a truly Islamic state, like, say for instance, the United Kingdom.

      /sarc

  9. And life officially becomes satire. It’s unparodable (I am a linguistic pioneer) now. Time to clone George Orwell so he can appreciate this.

  10. If ISIS were UN-Islamic, tens of thousands of VOLUNTEERS from Muslim countries would come forward to fight ISIS, but they have been unsurprisingly reluctant to do so.

    There is virtually no difference between Saudi Arabia and ISIS and virtually no difference between ISIS and most other countries with strict Sharia, except that ISIS is on the march and expansionist.

    • “If ISIS were UN-Islamic, tens of thousands of VOLUNTEERS from Muslim countries would come forward to fight ISIS”
      — —
      Can you fit that on a tee shirt? Unless there are riots and deaths, Islam is not serious.

    • “If ISIS were UN-Islamic, tens of thousands of VOLUNTEERS from Muslim countries would come forward to fight ISIS, but they have been unsurprisingly reluctant to do so.”

      Bingo! I couldn’t put it more clearly than that.

    • The mosque I goto doesnot support ISIS at all parent are talking to they teenager and young adult about ISIS being un-Islamist. One brother new to the religion saidlight to ISIS to blow up religious builting the other member of the mosque correct him. We donot want CIA control ISIS to use our muslim youth as cannon flodder.

      • So, you and your mosque believe that ISIS is actually run by the CIA—and your main complaint about ISIS is that Muslim youth are going to be killed over there instead of doing something useful like fighting the evil CIA in the US? Can’t say that’s a shocker.

        • Wow, you pulled the essence of out of that. I was stuck on “saidlight” for a minute or two. Punctuation and capitalization are not optional, IMO.

          I guess Brian’s imam is trying to stay out of the sectarian conflict which is going global, but some just can’t be dissuaded.

        • You might be right about Abdullah, since it means ‘slave of Allah’, but I’m pretty sure that Brian is the same person who used to post here as ‘Defender of Islam’.

          Perhaps, since he attends a mosque, he could explain to us exactly what is unislamic about the Islamic State? What exactly are they doing or saying that is not wholly compliant with the books mohammedans claim are sacred?

          So far, I haven’t noticed them do anything that can’t be justified simply by pointing at Mohammed…

        • Aardvark, you are right that “Brian” is “defenderofislam.” His flagrant misuse of the English language is always the giveaway.

          By “Abdullah” I meant any generic Muslim.

      • “CIA control ISIS”—grimly laughable stuff from old “DefenderofIslam”.

        Mind telling us how, exactly, ISIS’s behavior in any way contradicts the diktats of orthodox Islam?

  12. ALL MUSLIMS have a DUTY to conduct jihad when the CALIPH CALLS THEM!

    Ha! Ha!

  13. just “a national debate on what it should be called”, maybe referendum.
    I propose as a second option Islamophobic State

  14. Muslims anywhere asserting that ISIS is not representative of Islam are either 1) ignorant of their own religion; or 2) knowledgeable about their religion but believe that ISIS is proceeding too quickly in implementing the Islamic agenda (you know, the “strategy thing”).

    Either way, such Muslims are not in the least reliable, either because they are ignorant or because they are not.

    Anyone care to refute me on this? Go ahead, give it a shot. Make my evening.

    • Not refuting, agreeing. It’s just more Muslim al-Taqiyya, and Mohammed’s “War is deception.” It’ll be interesting to see how far this “un-Islamic ” thing goes.

    • If you’re criticising Islam I suggest you don’t ask Muslims to ‘give it a shot’

  15. This article illustrates one incredibly salient fact: So-called “moderate” Muslims have virtually no serious ideas or ability to challenge the “extremists”, even if they did have the inclination (and that’s a big “if”.)

    • Damn right, BTP. Wih you again.

      Actually, the so-called moderate Muslims are, as a whole, more of a hindrance to mankind finally figuring out what Islam really stands for than the so-called radical Muslims. Which tends to prove that covering for evil (regardless of motive or understanding) is really a greater problem than evil itself.

  16. What fraction of so-called moderate Muslims would declare themselves apostates upon learning that Islamic State represents genuine Islam? If they are genuinely moderate then we would expect far more of them to become apostates as compared to those who join the hot Islamic war on freedom. Are moderates clamoring to announce their apostasy? (I guess they don’t have to if Islam is not Islam.)

  17. “We need to work together and make sure that these fanatics don’t get the propaganda that they feed off,” the letter says.

    work together -meaning what?

    “This isn’t going to fix the problem of some young people in our community being radicalised by extremists. There’s more we need to do, together, to tackle that.

    There’s more we need to do,-like what?

  18. ”Calling the terror group that today claimed to have killed another aid worker the Islamic State legitimises it, and politicians should stop using its preferred name to help halt the radicalisation of British Muslims”

    Translation from muslim-speak into English:

    ”Calling the islamic group that today murdered another aid worker the Islamic State makes islam look bad, and politicians should stop using this name in order to help keep the British public asleep.”

    “We need to work together and make sure that these fanatics don’t get the propaganda that they feed off,” the letter says”

    The only ‘propaganda’ mohammedans feed off is the koran, which mandates *exactly* what the IS, Boko Haram, Hamas, and every other group of mohammedan thugs and murderers are doing.

    “This isn’t going to fix the problem of some young people in our community being radicalised by extremists. There’s more we need to do, together, to tackle that”

    What is ‘radicalising’ them is what is in the koran, hadith, and the life of mohammed. The crap about ”there’s more we need to do *together* … ” is more mohammedan attempts to deflect **their** responsibility onto **us**.

    I’m just waiting for them to start trotting out the tired old canards; these young men/women are marginalised, alienated, feel they’re being picked on, blah, blah, blah. Or, of course, it’s just that they’re bored …

    “But confronting this falsehood, that it’s somehow ‘Islamic’ to go off to Iraq or Syria and murder people, is a step in the right direction.”

    Crap. Murdering people is perfectly islamic. This is just more crap to lull the kufr. Go back to sleeeep, sleeeep, sleeeep …

    • ALL Muslims sing from the same song sheet, that’s why they are Muslims.
      The only difference between Muslims, is that some Muslims sing louder than others.

  19. on the back of Camerons’ ridiculous statement and poor David Haines idiot brother..

    and our idiot PM Tony Abbott.

    and Christian Leaders. and Champagne socialists. (lefties from privilege).

    Britain and France seem to bear the brunt..from all angles. and their leaders are absolute stooges.

    it IS all about islam. (there’s a bumper sticker for you).

  20. I have a better idea,

    Cameron should wear a T-shirt saying “IS = ISN’T”. Orwell would be proud.

    Thank you, concerned Good Moderate Muslims, for worrying more about Islam’s ever-growing PR problems than about the religious hatred and violence it so undeniably inspires in too many of its followers. Why acknowledge that Islam has some serious problems when the important thing is to keep telling yourself that Islam is Perfect?

    No doubt

  21. I think people would trust these Muslim organisations more if they were less concerned with covering their own arses against a backlash against Islam and more concerned with actually protesting against ISIS and terrorism.

    Some convincing explanations of why what ISIS does in Un-Islamic would help too. Of course, this won’t happen because of course, what ISIS does is straight from the words and life of Mohammed.

    • Calling ISIS terrorists gives terrorists a bad name. They’re committing a genocide and they have now captured territory with 8 million people inhabitants. Iraq’s cowardly army and the USA’s air strikes aren’t able to apply sufficient force to this problem, so I say give Iran a green light to deal with them.

  22. A group of Christians recently rampaged through a hospital in Manchester UK healing the sick and lame as they went, next they turned their attention to a home for the blind, where not a single person was left without sight when they departed. Under the cover of darkness they fed the poor and hungry in the city streets and turned the dirtiest drinking water into the finest wine. The Established church has been quick to denounce their extremist behavior as unchristian saying that there is nothing in the bible to justify such acts.

  23. another helpful motion would be to rename “Islam” into smoething else to distract from the fact that IS and Islam have something in common. Why not rename “Islam” into “Bullsh*t” describing the true nature of this ideology?

  24. The Daily Mail story ‘The Muslim faith is not to blame’: Mike Haines reads from Koran to tell the world that his brother David was butchered by ISIS because of extremism, not Islam

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755617/Brother-ISIS-beheading-victim-David-Haines-reads-Koran-pleads-society-repel-evil-better.html

    published yesterday 14 Sep and updated this morning has been bumped right down their desktop website and disappeared completelv from the mobile app

    All comments are anodyne endorsements of the party line, and there are only 15 of them: ´exceptionally twisted vision of Islam´; ´as a Moslem I find this appaling` etc

    Strange, since similar Mail stories get up to 2.5k comments. Clearly The Mail is perfectly aware of the facts (I sent them k8.12) but is carefully managing things so as to not quite say the unsayable for the moment. It is after all the largest selling paper in the UK (apart from the daily tits) and already has a bad enough reputation amongst leftist dhimmis as The Daily Hate Mail.

    8:12
    I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

    47:4
    Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens.

    • I have commented on that Mail article too. It is currently “awaiting moderation”. We shall see if it survives the moderators pen.

  25. Look, it’s quite simple, Western Muslims say that IS are not ‘real’ Muslims, IS say that Western Muslims are not ‘real’ Muslims. Since no Muslims are involved in this conflict it must be the fault of the Jews and Christians – better kill them to have peace. Isn’t that the argument finished??

    • You understand the Islamic mind pretty well. It’s always the kuffar’s fault.

  28. People who spread disinformation usually have treachery up their sleeves as well.

  29. Obama’s airstrikes are barely pinpricks for ISIS, which now controls a region with 8 million inhabitants and their own oilfields.

    I think the best hope is that Iran will get pissed off and annex the ISIS-controlled region. Unlike the Iraqi government or President Obama, Iran should be able to deal strongly with ISIS without inciting terrorist attacks or a Jihad against it. (Don’t get me wrong, Iran has an evil government. But they aren’t nearly as bad as ISIS.)

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