“When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4)
“When you gonna wake up, and strengthen the things that remain?” (Bob Dylan, echoing Revelation 3:2)
This is denial and willful ignorance on a scale so massive as to spell nothing less than a doomed society.
“Woman beheaded ‘with machete’ in north London garden,” by Tom Whitehead, Ed Malnick, Tom Brooks Pollock and Gordon Rayner, the Telegraph, September 4, 2014 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
An 82-year-old woman was beheaded in a north London garden after a crazed attacker went beserk with a machete.
Pensioner Palmira Silva was decapitated at her house in Edmonton in broad daylight in an apparent frenzied assault by a 25-year-old man who randomly targeted victims.
The horror scene unfolded as terrified eye witnesses saw the man, who was wielding a foot long blade, attack a passing vehicle and a cat before roaming back gardens for a victim.
Police believe the man also tried to attack two people at another address in Nightingale Road but they were able to escape without injury.
The man was arrested after armed police, who had distracted him to avoid other attacks, cornered him in a house and Tasered him, during which some officers were injured.
Ms Silva was pronounced dead at the scene.
One line of inquiry for detectives is now understood to be whether the man had been inspired by recent footage of the Isil beheadings of two US journalists in Syria.
Locals last night claimed the arrested man had converted to Islam last year.
However, detectives said they had ruled out terrorism as a motive for the killing.
On what grounds? Why, denial and willful ignorance, of course.
Eye witnesses described a dramatic operation by police called to the scene in which officers were smashing windows of neighbouring properties lift screaming children and terrified residents to safety.
One neighbour told of her narrow escape and that she believed the attacker was a local man.
Catering worker Freda Odame, 30, said she heard a commotion and pulled back her curtains and saw a black man aged in his mid 20s.
“Someone was shouting and the door was banging. I could hear the screaming but I could not hear what he was saying,” she said.
“I could see that he had a big curved knife, about the size of an arm’s length and he was crouching as if frantically searching for something.
“He had a crazed look in his eyes so I closed my curtains because I was scared. My next door neighbour was in his garden but did not seem to realise anything was going on.
“I have seen him around here all the time, I think he lives on the road, He has a grey car and I think he lives with his family.
“I was just so very scared. Five minutes after I heard him screaming the police knocked on my door and told me I had to get out.”
Neighbour Sue Mahadooa, 50, who saw police cars screech to a halt outside her home, said officers were running down the street shouting at people to get out of their homes.
Officers with battering rams began breaking down front doors and smashing windows to help neighbours to safety, unaware of which property the killer was in.
Ms Mahadooa said the house at which it is believed the woman was killed in the back garden is split into three maisonettes and police were desperate to get residents out of the flats without sending them into the corridor of the property.
“These officers ran up and started trying to help these two children and a woman out of the little top window of the ground floor,” she said.
“The woman couldn’t get through the window so they started smashing the bigger one, but then I saw them get her out of the front door.
“She was very frightened. The kids were crying and looked very scared. There was clearly something awful going on inside the house.”
George Stylianou said: “Policewomen were sprinting past us and screaming at us ‘get back – you don’t understand how dangerous this man is.’
“Then we saw that policemen were running along the road dragging women and children out of windows – they had to smash windows to drag women out.”
Ahmed Yusuf, 19, said: “At first there were two police cars, then all of a sudden there were 20.
“The police said to drop everything. I said ‘What’s going on?’ and they said there’s a guy jumping over gardens.”
Earlier one witness had Tweeted: “Madman on the loose with a machete in Edmonton”.
Edmonton MP Andy Love said: “I am absolutely horrified and stunned by what has happened in my constituency.
“This is a relatively solid community with relatively good relations between all of the people living there. It comes as a shock that it has happened.
Mini cab driver Ricardo Kwiek, 23, told of how he saw a young man fighting with police before being bundled into a van.
“There were policemen trying the front door and the back. The chap inside wasn’t letting them in,” he said.
“They got in the back door. They came out with a man who was struggling and fighting.
“He wasn’t giving up. I could see loads of police fighting with him. They all piled on top of him and arrested him.
Metropolitan Police Commander Simon Letchford said: “Officers who attended the scene evacuated a number of those people from those premises to make them safe.
“During that period they distracted the man from carrying out any further attacks.”
He said his officers had done “everything they could to evacuate people from those premises and that clearly they were aware of what had happened and they put themselves in extreme danger to protect the public, to ensure that his behaviour was stopped as soon as it possibly could be”.
DCI John Sandlin, who is leading this investigation, said: “This is was a highly visible attack in broad daylight on a residential street. I can understand why this may cause people concern, however we are confident that we are not looking for anyone else at this stage.
“Whilst it is too early to speculate on what the motive behind this attack was I am confident, based on the information currently available to me, that it is not terrorist related.”
The arrested man was being treated for minor injuries suffered during his apprehension.
Anna Hogan says
What’s going on in England that people can’t defend themselves and their neighbors – or even passerbys on the street?
You must arm yourselves folks – pepper spray, taser gun, real gun if possible. Also, some self-defense classes might help. Imagine your teenage daughter being cornered by one of these ‘be-headers’. You’d want her to be able to defend herself.
kikorikid says
No guns anywhere to stop this knife butcher?
Oh Yeah, Sorry, I forgot the UK Citizens turned them in.
Nog1 says
The guy was arrested withou a shot fired. Thank God cops in the UK are pro’s instead of the fear-driven amateurs on the other side of the Atlantic.
Myxlplik says
I can’t believe you are actually proud of the fact that a machete wielding Islamic berserker, who was hacking up 82 year old women, and kitties wasn’t shot.
I know you Brits are reasonable people and I admire that, but this takes it a little too far.
ECAW says
“The guy was arrested withou a shot fired. Thank God cops in the UK are pro’s instead of the fear-driven amateurs on the other side of the Atlantic.”
Bloody annoys me to see this kind of one-upmanship aimed at Americans by Britons (and vice versa). I don’t know what it’s like in the US but I can think of three examples offhand of shooting balls ups in Britain caused by the fear and stress of the situation. The first was of a black gangster who was first armed then not armed, which kicked off the London riots a few years ago. The second was of a Brazilian on the tube who looked like someone from the Middle East. The third was of a lawyer in some sort of mental distress standing at his window (as I remember) and who was no threat to anyone.
Damn glad I don’t have that kind of responsibility.
gravenimage says
Nog1 wrote:
The guy was arrested withou a shot fired. Thank God cops in the UK are pro’s (sic) instead of the fear-driven amateurs on the other side of the Atlantic.
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Heaven forfend that the poor beheader might be injured by “fear-driven” Infidels.
Too bad that useless old woman had to get in his way.
But the important thing, after all, is that the brutal murderer was not seriously harmed…
Good God.
Champ says
The guy was arrested withou a shot fired. Thank God cops in the UK are pro’s instead of the fear-driven amateurs on the other side of the Atlantic.
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This the first time I’ve read a comment from “Nog1”, and I hope it’s his last–since that is one *inane* remark!
Beagle says
As guns are illegal there, I recommend everyone invest in a good crossbow for home defense. But knowing the UK that’s probably illegal as well.
Charli Main says
They are. Even the small pen knives that I had in my schoolbag, as a child , to sharpen pencils are illegal. Fisher men can only possess a gutting knife, if it is securely locked in their fish box.
Will says
Would you please stop this American fiction that guns are illegal here. They are not!
It is perfectly legal to own as many 12 gauge shotguns as you wish and even go up to .308 bolt action rifles. A .308 is the civilian version of the military 7.62mm, that a big bullet, used in military sniper rifles.
The only difference from the US, is reasons to posses them. We don’t have a right to possess for home defence, only for hunting and sports shooting.
G. R. Grace says
If you do not have the “right” to protect your home and loved ones with a gun; you do not have the right to protect yourself. You are a subject of the UK state and not a citizen. Period.
Bezelel says
I do not think that elderly gardeners should be expected to have to defend themselves from machete attacks. If that is what it has come to then your government should have the decency to say so.
The imposed gun control in the guise of civility. How civilized was the this womans predicament? This is a disgraceful failure of the UK leadership. Multiculturalism has failed. There is no reciprocation. Pisslam does not permit it.
Will says
G.R. Grace,
You do have the right to protect yourself, just not with a gun. That should not be the case. A British subject, should have the right to defend themselves by any means necessary.
PS: I own a double barrel shotgun, a pump action Benelli. Would I use these to defend my household from some crazed hadji? Damn straight I would!
PatnTruck says
I’d definitely be buying a hunting license in England if I lived there – even if I was 82 years old! That is horrific, my prayers for that poor dear old woman. Breaks my heart – and angers me beyond words. I’m glad to be armed in the USA.
cliffface says
A taser ? this muther fkr should have come out looking like a colander.
But oh no he was probably just having a bad day.,
We can rehabilitate him and release him in a decade.
While capital punishment can be open to abuse in a case where you know for sure he just killed an old defenceless women then that’s it time up lights out.
He will probably just hang out with the honourable Lee Rigby’s murderers till early parole.
This PC world has gone mad and this waste of space will soak up how many millions in free legal aid.
uk_infidel says
All such weapons are illegal here.
Kevinr says
As far as I’m aware, the Good ol’ English longbow is still permitted without a licence, least I hope so as I’ve got 3.
pumbar says
Good man. I’ve got one and 24 arrows. Probably should get some more…
Will says
NO THEY ARE NOT! Stop repeating falsehoods please!
https://www.gov.uk/shotgun-and-firearm-certificates
Will says
@Free Speech
The statement was being made that guns are illegal in the UK. That is plainly untrue as you have just seen.
What is true is that in the UK you need to have a genuine reason to own that firearm. Unfortunately, self defense considered a genuine reason here. It sucks, but I’d rather obtain my shotgun by providing a ‘genuine reason’ and then use it to defend my family if I ever have to.
I am not attempting to reason or apologise for anything. I am merely correcting a false statement.
Santos2 says
But apparently not machetes. So arm yourselves with machetes, butcher knives, cricket bats, etc.
Bob Hodgson says
Defend ourselves? What an outrageous idea, just how are we to do that?
It’s not our job to look after ourselves that’s the government’s job.
We Brits live in a Welfare State where the state has made a legal promise to take care of us from the cradle to the grave.
This means we can stay in the cradle as long as we like under the care of the nanny state……………..that’s till the grave calls for us!
For the Americans reading this site, this is your future with Obamacare!
Be very clear about it, big government always creates an infantile population.
pumbar says
There are many people who haven’t given up like you. Shame on you!
BobH2003 says
Pumbar, I suspect you don’t understand irony.
I have a shotgun and this man would be a colander had he appeared in my house.
I simply stated why Britain has come to this infantile level where people are not only frightened of marauding criminals, but frightened of the consequences if they dare to resist or fight back against the criminal.
Our laws have repeatedly charged and imprisoned those who have hurt some house breaker as they take independent action.
Our laws, or the way they are usually applied, favour the criminal and victimise the victim even further.
BC says
You are talking such a load of horse manure.
Santos2 says
It can be confusing but the article is about the London Borough of Enfield in England, UK.
Santos2 says
Edmonton is an area in that borough. I think that’s where the confusion is. The article mentions Edmonton and London so one immediately think of Canada but it is in England.
jimmi says
Get real… no one can defeat a lynching mob with machetes.
Santos2 says
One Muslim with a machete does not a mob make.
Last Crusade says
But a Mob can possess one man!!
Luke 8:26-30 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee. 27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. 29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) 30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Elliott says
Firstly, ‘Santos2’ says it eloquently.
Secondly, “Get real?” If PM Cameron tells you that the beheadings in Iraq have NOTHING to do with islam (NOTE: no capital letter for islam!!) then there really is no hope for ANYONE in the UK who does NOT wish to become a muslim (again: no capital letter for muslim).
Champ says
Locals last night claimed the arrested man had converted to Islam last year.
However, detectives said they had ruled out terrorism as a motive for the killing.
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Of course not, this savagery has nothing to do with islam …sarc
Wow these detectives are complete buffoons.
Fr. Basil says
What is it about mahometanism that drives its converts crazy like this?
Champ says
islam is a satanic death cult and mohammedans are possessed by this same evil.
Charli Main says
Because they are all desperate to make sure they get their one way ticket to Paradise and their 72 virgins, pretty little boys and a herd of sexy goats.
jimmi says
He converted one year ago. Despite living in England and knowing/suspecting a lot of -evil- things about Islam, he converted. It is the “crazies’ fashion”. That’s enough to guess.
kangi_nunpa says
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_amok
“A widely accepted explanation links amok with male honor (amok by women is virtually unknown). …Running amok would thus be both a way of escaping the world (since perpetrators were normally killed) and re-establishing one’s reputation as a man to be feared and respected. Some observers have related this explanation to Islam’s ban on suicide, which, it is suggested, drove Malay/Indonesian men to create circumstances in which others would kill them.”
“It has historically been linked with the Moro people of Mindanao, particularly in the island of Jolo.” “The Moro people, or Bangsamoro, are a population of ethnically indigenous Muslims in the Philippines.”
…but running around lopping off heads is certainly not anything to do with Islam.
Diana Sitek says
Really? How do you think Islam got to Indonesia in the first place?
BobH2003 says
“…but running around lopping off heads is certainly not anything to do with Islam.”
I truly hope that your last line is tongue in cheek!
Bezelel says
The “Moro people” who have a history of being tribal head hunters are indigenous, Pisslam is not.
GP says
Another murderous muslim devil on the rampage. GB’s socialist political leaders will remain prostrate before IS LAM
somehistory says
“Too early to speculate” but he’s “confident” it is not”terrorist” related.
Doe he know the definition of “too early” or “speculate” or even “terrorist”? Did he ask the neighbors if they felt terror while it was happening?
Poor woman. What a terrible thing to have happened, and in her own garden. The world grows more dangerous on an hourly basis.
Champ says
Poor woman. What a terrible thing to have happened, and in her own garden. The world grows more dangerous on an hourly basis.
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Yes, I had the same thoughts, Somehistory …and now her poor family must grieve her loss and deal with the barbaric manner by which she was killed. I cannot even *imagine* the pain they’re facing right now. My thoughts and prayers are with them.
somehistory says
Yes, Champ. It’s awful for someone to die. Whether from accident, illness or old age frailty. To be murdered is a horrible way to be taken from family and loved ones. To be murdered in such a brutal way has to leave the family shattered. And since they have trials over there like we do over here, photos of the scene and this poor lady will be shown in court and her family is bound to imagine even if they do not actually see.
The cruelty of what this man did to this lady and her family is unspeakable.
gravenimage says
So true, Champ and Somehistory.
This poor woman and her family…
Budvarakbar says
Poor olde lady — probably had lived in that house most of her life — probably had had a husband and raised a family there and PAID for the house — only to have the abject rotten socialist sh–theads cram the neighborheed full of auslanders — she was probably about the last white person around there — RIP
Judi says
Yes Bud, just what I was thinking. That neighbourhood used to be a white working-class area until the invaders arrived. Now it’s a multicultural sh!thole just like the rest of the UK.
jewdog says
I knew those ISIS videos would give people ideas, but it sounds like the cops don’t have a clue.
Myxlplik says
We hit IS today, taking out some people high in their command structure.
“We are among you”… That quote ring a bell?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/aide-isis-leader-baghdadi-killed-airstrike-reports-article-1.1928373
Expect more from our Muslim neighbors.
Budvarakbar says
Don’t you remember all the times we heard over and over every few weeks it seemed how we have taken out this or that #2 man – or small group of “leaders” in the hierarchy of this or that moo-slime Bullsh–t organization?
Hey Obama said Al Qaeda was on the run – and the smarter ones of us realized that he meant that they were on the run all over the world!
Greyhound Fancier says
How many of these incidents must occur to wake people to the threat? Must the beheaders come to their own street before the people understand?
voegelinian says
The answer to your question is undoubtedly “too many more” such events will have to happen before the West wakes up (where “wakes up” involves certain non-negotiable principles — including rationally suspecting all Muslims; one principle (among others) unfortunately still negotiable even within the Counter-Jihad, prompting a pointed redirection of Greyhound Fancier’s question rather to members of the Counter-Jihad community, a redirection becoming acutely pressing with each lurch of this mountainous volcano of the evil lava of Islamic data. Even years ago I began experiencing a surreal feeling that Jihad Watchers were still hedging their condemnations of Muslims; with each passing atrocity and threat, my feeling became more acute. By now, I feel like a hollowed out burned out shell of my former self in this regard… Perhaps some day JWers will stop hedging and cultivating their precious pockets of nougat…).
PJG says
I went for a walk this evening and ran into a friend, and for some reason, for once, she listened to me about Islam and I taught her heaps…an our later, on the way home, she said about the Islamisation of our country that “it couldn’t happen here.” That was after nearly an hour in which I told her all of the methods being used stealthily but successfully.
When it comes to this topic, the wishful thinking meme is damned hard to squash.
Max Publius says
Them Saudis can sure pay off those bobbies quick, can’t they?
Or is this self-indoctrination by a people in massive denial?
Just read London real estate prices are collapsing.
And so it goes, just like Beirut. Didn’t think the historic British people were so weak. Sad. Have to wait for the Chinese Red Army to end the suffering of both the dhimmi Brits and the average drone Muslim under the whip of their Imam masters.
Max Publius says
Sorry, meant Londonistan.
gravenimage says
Max Publius wrote:
Them Saudis can sure pay off those bobbies quick, can’t they?
Or is this self-indoctrination by a people in massive denial?
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I’d take #2.
These police officers acted bravely to prevent further victims—they aren’t being bribed to allow Jihadists to run wild.
But even though I would bet that a lot of the rank-and-file have a clue about Islam—even if they are not experts—things are so riddled with “political correctness” at the top that they cannot follow their investigations to their logical conclusions.
kikorikid says
I read a very interesting Post a few months back wherein the Poster
claimed to be “Working Class” and that the WC would be the Nemesis
of both Islamism and the Liberal Elite. Political Correctness has
led the Liberal Elite into “Dhimmitude”. The only thing
left is a Islamic Demand” for “Jizya”, a tax to Islam for their “Tolerance
of Infidels”.
richard sherman says
The jizya is the welfare benefits that 99% of the Muslims collect when Cameron lets them in.They use the jizya to buy machetes to decapitate Rigby..this poor woman…and thousands of Londoners in the future.
Charli Main says
@gravenimage
The British police are fully aware of the threat posed to Britain’s non- Muslim communities by the Muslims.
The problem is that the British police are just as ham strung by Britain´s laws regarding ” incitement to religious and racial hatred”.
Any perceived violence against Muslims, by the police, instantly leads to mass hysteria and riots orchestrated by the MSM and their Muslim arse kissing cohorts.
gravenimage says
I believe you are correct, Charli.
The very fact that the police mention that “one line of inquiry for detectives is now understood to be whether the man had been inspired by recent footage of the Isil beheadings of two US journalists in Syria” shows that they have some idea of what motivated this Jihadist.
wildjew says
PM Cameron is making progress…..
awake says
With true and due respect to this poor woman and her family, I truly hope this angle is proven irrefutably true, despite the seemingly obvious attempts by the police and British media to obfuscate and state otherwise.
It would serve as another higher plateau on the monstrously high mountain of empirical evidence which indicts Islam to date.
Wellington says
Never mind this “distraction.” It has nothing to do with Islam.
Meanwhile, David Cameron is continuing to proclaim London as a major center for Islamic banking.
Max Publius says
Stupid little “Great” Britain/”United” “Kingdom”. You’re smaller than Oregon. You could fit into the corner of Libya or Somalia. Buy a globe, not that Mercator projection that makes you look bigger than you are, idiots.
Neil Jennison says
Oregon has a population of less than 4 million. The United Kingdom has a population of over 60 million.
Oregon is mostly empty. I am not sure what your point is.
Greenland is pretty huge but not very significant.
Max Publius says
Neil,
The point is pretty obvious, if you ask me. Oregon is considered a medium size state. The USA could lose it and hardly notice. The UK is full of no-go zones infested with Islamists from countries that dwarf it. In other words, it can hardly afford to give away large swaths of its tiny isle and expect to survive, and it clearly is in the terminal stage right now. Physical size matters as much as population. Ask a Bangledeshi how well 150 million people crowded into a Wisconsin-size country is working for them.
Judi says
Well said Max.
Neil Jennison says
I just wasn’t sure what your point was.
But yes, Britain is 5 % Muslim now and that figure is rising fast. I have no doubt that unless something is done to stem Muslim immigration Britain will be under Sharia law within 70 years or so.
Possibly sooner.
Eric says
Why would you tell ppl to leave their homes? Here in the states we tell ppl to stay inside and lock the doors. That’s how we caught the boston bomber, made ppl stay inside while looking for the little punk.
Budvarakbar says
Ya gots to get up to speed on this — the left a trail of blood the stupid cops couldn’t follow since they must not of had any bloodhounds. The guy was found in a boat by its owner when he went OUTSIDE to have a smoke!
Budvarakbar says
the PERP left a trail of blood.
Oh yeh and the gubmint knew of these creeps beforehand
Jaladhi says
Beheading and Muslims go together!! No doubt about it. When you hear somebody beheaded, be sure it was done by a Muslim. There is nobody as cruel and crazy as Muslims under the influence of Quran!!
Brian Hoff says
Japonese in they wars in japan in they fighting aim for cutting off the enemy heads by sword. This guy might turn out not to be than muslim but than chrisian.
cliffface says
“Brain off” learn to “spell” loser.
duh_swami says
What??? Brian…did you ever get married?
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff”—really, “DefenderofIslam”—wrote:
Japonese in they (sic) wars in japan (sic) in they (sic) fighting aim for cutting off the enemy heads by sword.
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Not for almost two centuries. During WWII they did sometimes execute prisoners in this manner, though.
More:
This guy might turn out not to be than (sic) muslim (sic) but than (sic) chrisian (sic).
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Perhaps he’s the rare Christian Japanese living in Britain who is motivated by the old Samurai code…
Or he could be a devout Mohammedan motivated, as the police note, by the example of their pious coreligionists lopping off heads in the Islamic State.
Really, it could be anything…sarc/off
Mike says
So tragic to see what has happened to England. I’m glad I saw it long ago and I think it’s better to live with the memories. Australia is going the same way and not far behind. Australia didn’t learn a thing from Britain’s and Europe’s multicultural mistake. That’s why they call us “the clever country.”
cliffface says
Mike if I saw someone running around my suburb with a bloodied machete I would not be waiting for the police to arrive and the perp would not be needing a lawyer.
While the pollies may have gone soft the people have not.
The Aussies have shown their spirit in the wars and they will show it again at home if they ever have to.
cliffface says
PS: by example for self defence I would use a three foot long shovel vs a one foot long machete and the 25kg cattle dog hanging of the offenders scrotum would just be a bonus.
Firearms are for use only by police and military personnel and that’s how it should stay.
CB says
@cliffface
” by example for self defence I would use a three foot long shovel vs a one foot long machete and the 25kg cattle dog hanging of the offenders scrotum would just be a bonus. ”
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You have obviously never seen use of the Parang , a machete is similar but lighter, just as deadly in capable hands , easily able to kill your much vaunted dog .
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” Firearms are for use only by police and military personnel and that’s how it should stay. ”
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Let me guess , you are happy for the farmers to have no arms and the hunters who eradicate vermin disarmed as well ? you supported the Howard gun buy back did you ? why am I not surprised ?
cliffface says
CB after 30 years of using a shovel to beat my way through sand , clay and limestone I may have more confidence in the old cyclone “0” than most.
Should the sky fall I still have a cabinet full of bolt action shovels but given the laws where I live I think it is best if I don’t ever talk of using a firearm for self defence or I may see my cabinet empty fast.
No I am not anti guns but my government is.
And yes I know the criminals have them already and all those collectible swords and daggers too.
Twostellas says
Oh yeah, sure, an 80 year-old woman will surely be able to keep a 25 year-old from beheading her with a trusty shovel. Ugh.
cliffface says
Twostellas im not an 80 year old women my point was I am not going to act defenceless if a mad man is running around with a machete trying to harm my neighbors and as CB points out he may have a Parang so i may choose a chainsaw for defence instead or even two ton of toyota behind a bullbar.
I am not allowed to carry a firearm and would risk losing it to a mad man who then had a gun instead of a machete !.
Outside of Banana cutting season im pretty sure I can’t carry a machete around but I can have a shovel in my ute.
Bash on my door with a machete and i will do my best to bash on your head with a shovel.
If you have seen a cattle dog humble a 3 year old scrub bull you would know they can move fast and smart but are not a weapon.
I would prefer to have a super hornet handy but parking is a bitch so a shovel is common, legal and better than just putting your hand up.
You are pretty defenceless at 80 and that is life and if the police can’t get there fast enough you really hope your neighbor can.
Boston Tea Party says
“Whilst it is too early to speculate on what the motive behind this attack was I am confident, based on the information currently available to me, that it is not terrorist related.”
…why, of course. That’s always the one thing that the authorities are always completely and immediately sure of, without any need for facts or investigation. It can’t have anything to do with Islam.
Now I know there are often liberals or leftists who peruse this forum, and rather than preaching to the converted, I’m going to address this directly to you: does it really make sense to rule out terrorism when, in the same sentence, the officer admits it’s too early to speculate as to the motive? Does it really seem rational to you that this officer can credibly make that statement with authority?
We hear this over and over again, with every Islamic attack. When the Boston marathon was bombed, that was the first thing we heard from the authorities—it most likely wasn’t Islamic terrorism. This really all makes sense when you read Daniel Greenfield’s piece “Moderate Islam Is Multiculturalism Misspelled”
The authorities aren’t exactly rushing to defend Islam–they’re defending their entire Multicultural world view.
Chabuco says
Well, of course it isn’t terrorism, this is normal now in the UK, just a normal day.
richard sherman says
Obviously the woman’s neck was shariah compliant.
gravenimage says
UK: Woman beheaded in broad daylight by machete-wielding Muslim, police rule out terrorism
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My God—I feared there would be more beheadings in London after the horrifying murder of Lee Rigby, and here we are.
And the victim this time was an *82-year-old pensioner* in her own garden.
I have heard many people—including, astonishingly, a few here at Jihad Watch—who assert that Britain and Europe *had to* encourage Muslim immigration, because they have an aging population.
Well, *this* is what is being invited in for our vulnerable aged.
More:
One line of inquiry for detectives is now understood to be whether the man had been inspired by recent footage of the Isil beheadings of two US journalists in Syria.
Locals last night claimed the arrested man had converted to Islam last year.
However, detectives said they had ruled out terrorism as a motive for the killing.
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God, what insanity. The police are sharp enough to realize that this Mohammedan is likely inspired by Jihad terrorism—but cannot bring themselves to call what he did terrorism.
And this is another recent “revert” taking his new faith *very, very seriously.
More:
DCI John Sandlin, who is leading this investigation, said: “This is was a highly visible attack in broad daylight on a residential street. I can understand why this may cause people concern…
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No sh*t…
fair_dinkum says
the english authorities and the mainstream swept the atrocity of lee rigby’s butchering under the rug pretty quickly.
a soldier defending the country, murdered in the street. it was a story for about 3 days..and that had nothing to do with islam either.
damn islam
Myxlplik says
This is why I have not supported any attacks or war against ISIS, because our populace isn’t ready for the type of civilizational conflict we are getting ourselves into. The government needs to be more honest with people, ISIS and it’s Muslim supporters who hide among the their co-religionists, are here among us & if we attack them they will attack us.
People need to be aware that attacks like Beslan, Kenyan Mall, Taj Hotel, and random killings like happened to the Israeli teens lately will happen as a consequence of engaging ISIS. Unless our government can be 100% honest we won’t win, so why fight, we aren’t winning any hearts and minds! Remember that one? It’s beyond nation building…. It’s total war, not whack a mole. If you aren’t comfortable with the stakes don’t play.
What part of ISIS’s warning of, “We are among you” don’t people get?
Apparently we took out several high level targets in the government/command structure of IS today.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/aide-isis-leader-among-3-killed-u-s-strike-iraqi-n195601
voegelinian says
We need our representatives who work for us to defend us from Muslims. Is what we need. (For those anxiously concerned that this is too open-ended and would sweep up all Muslims in the West in a dragnet of sorts, our Western governments could hire analysts like Phillip Jihadski and Angemon (and their Jihad Watch countenancers and enablers) who have developed a magical methodology that can discern the difference between the dangerous Muslims and the harmless Muslims and like lasers will only pinpoint the former). Oh wait, our Western governments pretty much already have analysts like that now…
PGuud says
There is no such thing as a harmless Muslim. All Muslims are dangerous, albeit not all are overtly (key word) violent. Tactic (violence or nonviolence) distinguishes one subgroup from the other. Only a fool would believe otherwise–and there are plenty of those in the free world.
Unfortunately, for some, it may take many more attacks on one’s home ground before one sees the light (in the sense of understanding).
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
richard sherman says
Winston Churchill said it best: Islam in a man is as dangerous as rabies in a dog..
voegelinian says
PGuud,
I’m glad you have graduated along the learning curve to be able to shake off the incoherent equivocation around the question “How many Muslims are dangerous?” The final question on the exam, however, may be the most difficult:
If all 1.3 billion Muslims are dangerous, what do we do about it?
All too often, I have seen that CJers alumni of the LCU (the Learning Curve University) apparently have a different understanding of “dangerous” than I do, allowing them to advocate incoherently relatively soft measures as a response to that question (one almost gets the sense from some of them (e.g., PJ and Angemon and their JW countenancers and enablers) that a more or less conscious (but nevertheless irrational) anxiety & dread about inexorably slip-sliding down the slippery slope to Genocide is motivating them to attenuate, in one way or another, the horrible catastrophe Muslims embody).
Bezelel says
muslim? check beheading? check That doesn’t take Sherlock. It’s bad enough that muslims are beheading native brits in broad daylight, as if Rigby wasn’t enough. To thine own self be true.
Bezelel says
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/uk-special-forces-move-into-london-as-government-fears-mumbai-style-jihad-massacres
DO SOMETHING
gravenimage says
Edmonton MP Andy Love said: “I am absolutely horrified and stunned by what has happened in my constituency.
“This is a relatively solid community with relatively good relations between all of the people living there. It comes as a shock that it has happened.
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Is that so? Edmonton apparently has the nick-name “Shank Town” because there are so many stabbings there.
Here’s the Constituency profile from 2004:
“Edmonton has a young, ethnically diverse population. It has significantly higher proportions of Muslims than the borough average. It is clearly the most deprived part of Enfield and has the highest crime rate…”
It has likely just gotten worse over the past ten years…
More:
“In 2008 the Edmonton Green ward has been identified as having one of the highest numbers of working age adults living on state benefits in the UK.
“Edmonton currently has some of the highest levels of unemployment in Britain…”
How many of those “collecting Jizya” are Muslim?
Area Mosques include Edmonton Islamic Centre Al-Masjid and the Mevlana Rumi Mosque was opened in Edmonton in 2008 by the followers of Fethullah Gulen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton,_London#Demography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Edmonton
Here’s what the Mevlana Rumi Mosque had to say about the Woolwich beheading of Lee Rigby:
“Reflections on Woolwich Attacks”
“Attacks that took place in Woolwich is (sic) aimed towards the heart of our society. We share the sorrow of our hurt community and pass condolences to the family and those close to the victim. Sadly, some misguided people show an act of violence and claim to be doing it to please God. They are rather acting up to their distorted psychology and are a side product of culmination of a number of factors such as lack of a structured postive (sic) community support, family incapacity or breakdown, lack of positive parental (sep. of farhers [sic]) role models.”
Ah—right. Because a lack of fathers in the home *always* leads to beheading Infidels in the name of Allah…sarc/off
More:
“Accusations of Terrorism
“It is a great shame that Islam, which is based on those tenets, is seen by others to be equaled with terrorism. This is an enormous historical mistake; as we pointed out above, if a system based on peace and security becomes associated with terrorism, this only shows that the people making the accusations know nothing of the spirit of Islam and are unable to grasp it in their own souls. One should seek Islam through its own sources and in its own true representatives throughout history; not through the actions of a tiny minority that misrepresent it. The truth is that there is no harshness or bigotry in Islam. It is a religion made up entirely of forgiveness and tolerance…”
Will they trot out this same bs in the wake of the terrible beheading of Palmira Silva? Of course they will…
More:
“Jihad in Islam
“Jihad is an element of Islam which is primarily defined as the inner struggle of a believer against all that stands between the believer and God…”
In this case what “stood between the believer and God [Allah]” was that an 82-year-old Infidel woman had been allowed to live…
Lots more bald-faced Taqiyya here:
http://www.rumicentre.org.uk/?tmlmstf=article&id=32
Semeru says
craven settles for what wiki says that the stabbing where committed by moslem, when Edmonton was labelled Shank Town because of three fatal stabbing in 2008, these stabbing where committed by Afro-Carribbeans
New Year’s Day, 17-year-old Henry Bolombi was killed, three weeks later Louis Boduka – or Usher – was stabbed through the heart. In February, 16-year-old Iyke Nmezu was attacked and died in hospital. All three were reported to be members of a gang.
A BBC investigation in Edmonton, where a spate of high-profile fatal stabbings have terrified residents in 2008, claims gang culture is fuelling knife-related offences in the area.
The investigation discovered there were two main gangs operating together in Edmonton: one is Dem Africans, or the Green Gang, and the other is its cadet force, the Grey Gang, or Grey City.
There was a third gang called Shankstarz, which is also Carribbean, which is involved with a gang war with another black gang “Northumberland Park(NPK)” from Tottenham.
Tony Blair had a rare moment of honesty and said that knife and gun murders in London were not caused by poverty, but a “distinctive black culture.”
Mr Blair angered liberals by adding that violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. link – here
craven assumes it was a moslem and tries to project by linking to Wiki that states there are two mosks in the area
Furthermore
What a lot of hogwash from craven
Firstly in Muslim lore, the cat is honored for saving Mohammad from an attack by a fierce snake. Here it is believed the “M” marking on the forehead of many tabby cats is the mark of the prophet (“M” for Mohammad).
So how come “Fat Nick” decapitate a cat before decapitating the elderly woman?
duh_swami says
I bet you worked two weeks on that…
gravenimage says
More crap from Semeru:
craven (sic) the pink belt in Tongue Fu said
Is that so? Edmonton apparently has the nick-name “Shank Town” because there are so many stabbings there.
craven settles for what wiki says that the stabbing where committed by moslem…
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What a bald-faced lie—I never made that claim at all. I was taking issue with MP Andy Love’s sanguine assertion that his district has “relatively good relations between all of the people living there” when it is an enormously high crime area.
*Much* of that high crime rate comes from Muslim immigrants—but not all of it.
More:
craven (sic) assumes it was a moslem and tries to project by linking to Wiki that states there are two mosks in the area
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This is twice now that Semeru has lied about what I said. And I noted the Mosques in the are with reference to the load of Taqiyya one of the offered up re the Woolwich beheading—surely a salient subject here.
More:
craven (sic) said
“Jihad is an element of Islam which is primarily defined as the inner struggle of a believer against all that stands between the believer and God…”
In this case what “stood between the believer and God [Allah]” was that an 82-year-old Infidel woman had been allowed to live…
What a lot of hogwash from craven (sic)
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Notice Semeru doesn’t bother to say exactly *how* this is incorrect. Muslims all over the world are butchering Infidels simply because they are not Muslim.
More:
Firstly in Muslim lore, the cat is honored for saving Mohammad from an attack by a fierce snake. Here it is believed the “M” marking on the forehead of many tabby cats is the mark of the prophet (“M” for Mohammad).
So how come “Fat Nick” decapitate a cat before decapitating the elderly woman?
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Because he ran across the poor cat first—there is no other reason.
Semeru’s constant assertion that Muslims revere cats is just grimly laughable—they just target them somewhat less than they do dogs, because hatred and violence toward dogs is specifically a tenet of Islam.
But cruelty to animals is rife in Muslim culture in general.
In Malta, Muslims have crucified cats and nailed them up on the walls of churches.
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/02/05/muslims-in-malta-crucify-cats-and-dogs-and-hang-them-on-christian-cathedrals/
Just think how bad things would be for cats if Muslims *didn’t* ‘revere’ them…sarc/off
voegelinian says
Yes, we all know that Semeru is correct: Muslims can never be black, Caribbean, or gang members. Thanks for clarifying that great wisdom, Semeru.
Dave J says
Islam is the philosophy of psychopathology.
Obsessed with swords, masks, black flags, murder and the enslavement of women. Pure bloodlust of savages.
Possibility of reform? Zero.
Beagle says
Nah. Given enough time I give Islam a .000000000000001% chance of meaningful theological reform, a humanistic enlightenment of some kind. I don’t think the host nations have enough time. The UK certainly doesn’t.
Joseph says
Poor woman. Rise up, England,defend yourselves!
jimmi says
ah ah ah… sure…
Come on… we all know “the awakening” is pure wishful thinking
dumbledoresarmy says
And why are you so intent on stifling even the smallest glimmer of hope?
Why are you so damn sure that there is NOTHING that anybody in the UK – including all the UK citizens posting or lurking here – should even consider getting up and doing?
Why are you so intent on telling them “do nothing, do nothing, lie down and despair, lie down and surrender, there is NOTHING you can do…submit, you’re doomed???”
Sometimes I wonder, when I read posts like yours, just how many Tokyo Rose psy-ops merchants we may have at this forum, doing their damndest to psych people into giving up and doing nothing.
dumbledoresarmy says
Pursuant to my posting.
For all persons of the Island of the Mighty who have *not* thrown in the towel and do *not* intend doing so, here are some preliminary options.
1/ Join, and at the very least financially support, Gavin Boby’s Law and Freedom Foundation. They have managed to legally thwart the building of quite a considerable number of mosques, by now.
http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/
2/ Join, and at the very least financially support, to the best of your ability, Paul Weston’s “Liberty Great Britain” party.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/
3/ If English, as opposed to Scots or Welsh, then join, en masse, the Royal Society of St George
http://www.royalsocietyofstgeorge.com/
, and get involved in reaffirming the *best* of English culture.
If English and resident in England, obtain and fly from your home or business – legally, upfront, defiantly and under the aegis of no less a person than Her Majesty – the Cross of St George (and get up the noses of the Mohammedans who *hate* it when people display the Cross):
http://www.royalsocietyofstgeorge.com/other_premises.htm
the Society will tell you how to properly go about this. I think this old (established mid-19th century) society, which is under the patronage of Her Majesty, no less, offers all kinds of interesting possibilities for fightback at socio-cultural level, should enough Islamo-aware Britons become members at once.
(Scots and Welsh could consider *creating* *sister* societies for Scotland and Wales, which don’t seem to have any real equivalent at the moment. There is a Society of St Andrew for Scotland, but I’m not sure if it presents the same potential; Scots here present may disagree. A “Society of St David of Wales” might work for Wales, if there isn’t one already that can be joined and revitalised).
4/ If you regard yourself as “Christian”, even if only nominal: check out the local churches and start attending, even if only monthly; at the same time, join “The Barnabas Fund” and use the materials they supply – very nice little booklets entitled “What is Islam?”, “What is Sharia?”, “Islam and Truth”, “Islam and Slavery” and “Is the Muslim Isa the Biblical Jesus?” [answer, explained within, is “NO!!!”; good book to remove illusions of naive suckers gulled by muslim da’wa artists] – to raise awareness among your fellow pew-sitters. Get Patrick Sookhdeo’s
and Rev Dr Mark Durie’s books – and Sam Solomon’s book “Al Hijra: the Islamic Doctrine of Immigration” – onto your clergyperson’s bookshelf…and into your parish library.
Pester your religious leaders. Support those who act like they’ve got a bit of a clue, and attempt to push them further.
If your church has even one bell, encourage your priest/ parson/ vicar/ minister to ring it as much as possible. If it has a proper ring of bells, join the Tower crew (ringing church bells is forbidden to dhimmis, so a few hours’ of old-fashioned change-ringing is a great way of proclaiming “no dhimmis here!” and letting any Muslims within earshot know that Britain is *not* an Islamic country.)
If you luck onto a jihad-aware Catholic priest or Anglican vicar (they do exist, here and there)…encourage them to ring the Angelus if they don’t already, and on top of that, to add the special midday peal that was originally instituted by one Pope Calixtus after the Fall of Constantinople, to summon the faithful to prayer… prayer against the Jihad.
This is about expressing defiance, asserting and enjoying traditional culture, and raising awareness.
(Getting your priest or vicar to revive the old custom of Beating the Bounds of the Parish could be another great way of building morale and expressing defiance).
If nonreligious: let your local church know that you are *not* offended by their bell-ringing. (Muslims, one British poster here told us a long time ago, have been trying to manipulate local council noise regs to silence church bells in the UK, so as to create a de facto compliance with the sharia ban on same; but they wouldn’t be able to pull it off if a large number of non-Muslims in any given area contradicted their whining and said “we **like** the sound of bells in our town”).
5/ Pester your elected representatives and *do. not. stop. and. do . not. give. up.* Right now, the issue to push, really hard, is the danger represented by returning British-passport-holding jihadis from Syria and Iraq. Stress that they must NOT, at all costs, be permitted back into the UK. Express support for the proposal to strip them of citizenship.
And never, never, never give up trying to raise awareness among your non-Muslim fellow-Britons.
Scott in PA says
Rivers of Blood…
gravenimage says
Right you are, Scott.
“Basic principle of Enoch Powell’s Rivers of Blood speech was right, says Nigel Farage”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534353/Basic-principle-Enochs-Rivers-Blood-speech-right-says-Nigel-Farage.html
jus wundrin says
The constables were able to help the people out of their homes, but when will they “help” the muslims get out of England?
Mo says
“Ms Silva was pronounced dead at the scene.”
Gee, ya think?! Who writes this stuff?
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My God, this is horrifying.
BlueRaven says
Poor lady. I feel sorry for her family and the loved ones. It is common amongst the Jamicans to carry a machete when they are going out to kill someone. This has all the trade marks of Islam + brain dead attitude. In fact they are the same thing Islam and brain dead.
Rob says
Terrorism?
Nah!
More like ‘workplace violence’, but that’s as close as you’re gettin’
Michael Copeland says
Let’s see.
A convert to Islam beheads a non-muslim.
The Koran’s teachings, he is instructed, are
“universal and trans-time”, “valid from eternity to eternity”.
Non-muslims are “filth”, the enemies of Allah.
“Kill them wherever you find them … Strike at their necks”.
Is there a connection, Mr. Cameron?
WendyC says
What I find interesting (in a frightening way) is that many comments to this article (on a UK site) raise the possibility of robbery gone bad, mental illness, or drugs. Mental illness (“another nutter set free from the institution”) was the most common response. One person did say that he is afraid it is terrorism, even though it has been “ruled out.” Unbelievable.
And one person called for more police protection. A fat lot of good that is going to do, especially when the true problem (or evil, I should say – “problem” sounds so benign) cannot even by identified or discussed!
Tommo says
I wonder if the police have started thinking ‘well we just might have a problem with Muslims here’.
Jon says
I imagine that the authorities know pretty well what happened and that the murderer was a Muslim. They also surely know he was imitating beheading videos from Iraq. I don’t think it is a matter of their being ignorant. Two things are behind the refusal to report the incident with clarity (the article on the BBC is typical of the refusal to name names and state the obvious). a) Because Britain is ruled by PC attitudes they are at pains not to offend Muslims. b) they do not want to incite violence in those Brits who have simply had enough. They do not want riots on the streets and mosques being torched. The news is being as carefully controlled as possible. Unfortunately there will come a point – and perhaps very soon – where people will have had enough and no amount of damage control will stop them. I do not agree with counter violence personally but I am realistic and I know that it will come to that. Rivers of blood will flow, unfortunately. There will be no peace until He returns.
voegelinian says
Yes, most mainstream Western authorities in charge of protecting the public (whether police, intelligence services, politicians, news journalists) are aware that Muslims are a slowly metastasizing threat of horrible civil unrest.
The problem is that their awareness is being actively suppressed by their own PC MC conscience — or rather their own PC MC Internal Thought Crime Censor: a kind of deformation of the conscience they have internalized culturally.
Thus, this awareness remains semi-conscious, and the considerable intense psychic energy it generates (energy of alarm, dismay, fear, concern, horror, etc.) is not allowed to express itself rationally, into a reasoned exigency to protect society, but rather gets perversely rerouted into a concern to protect Muslims from “backlash” from white “bigots” who are assumed (without adequate evidence) to abound in Western society. This isn’t illogical, per se; since Muslims represent an army whose vast majority of soldiers seem like ordinary non-combatant civilians, and of course the modern Westerner is deeply leery of going down a road of rational suspicion about such a demographic — particularly when PC MC has instilled in us an anxious concern to avoid “racism” in terms of a demographic that ostensibly seems “ethnic”.
Jon says
Brilliant post. You may be right about the awareness being semi-conscious. I do think, however, that in least some cases there is much greater awareness of the threat than we are told about but discussion is strictly off limits. The case in Britain is now that it is impossible to criticise Muslims or express concern without being labelled a far right racist. Right wing extremist groups exist (as far as they are able – in some other countries it is much easier to occupy the far right) and disaffected people will gravitate towards those because there simply is no other place for them to go. More moderate paths have been closed off to them. If one voices nationalist pride you are an extremist. Any sort of criticism of Muslims means you are an extremist. There was a blog in The Telegraph recently called ‘The Self-loathing of the British Left is Now a Problem for us All’. It quoted George Orwell, and Orwell, by today’s standards, would be deemed right-wing. There are some good points in the article about how shame for Britain’s past is leading to its slow death. What is interesting is that the writer says about Rotherham, ‘We don’t need to rehearse the facts. We’ve all read them, and reeled away in horror. ‘ Even this is typical of the fact that the events are not properly discussed. The facts need to be rehearsed in much greater detail, and the reasons for the situation should be made clear to all. But they will not be.
voegelinian says
Orwell, by today’s standards, would be deemed right-wing.
Poor George has been spinning in his grave so much over the years, right from left has become blurred…
gravenimage says
Yes—excellent post, Voegelinian.
I get so tired of this—bloody Mohammedans are *literally beheading us in our streets*, but so are fretting that the ‘real problem’ is a phantom backlash against Muslims. Suicidal madness…
richard sherman says
Obama and all liberals believe the Constitution is a suicide pact. Also Obama reveres the sociopath Muhammad who personally decapitated 600-900 unarmed Jews in 627. You cannot fight the Muslims if you revere Muhammad. Churchill and Truman would have turned large sections of the world into parking lots. Obama and Cameron will finance mosques and terror tunnels.
voegelinian says
“Obama and all liberals believe the Constitution is a suicide pact. ”
And quite a few asymptotic individuals in the Counter-Jihad — including in these very hallowed halls of Jihad Watch. Not only do quite a few asymptotic individuals continue to participate in various contexts of the Counter-Jihad, they never seem to get criticized by by their fellows (fellows one assumes are not asymptotic) — except by me, and when I do, I get attacked back and never defended on the key point of substance (forget my feelings getting hurt, that’s not the important point, it’s not about me, it’s about our general safety and the danger that threatens that) by all the Jihad Watchers who abound who supposedly are tough on the problem of Islam , where one would think that defending the hard line against the asymptotic line would be something worth doing, here in this vital “battle space” of the war of ideas (as Frank Gaffney so aptly put it).
Michael Copeland says
The cauldron of discontent continues to simmer,
While government speakers are openly in denial.
For hope of avoiding the trouble there’s barely a glimmer,
The conflict is coming, and will be a terrible trial.
Jerry says
Poor misunderstanders of Islam.
Fake religion invented by a Caravan Robber, Slave Hunter and Trader, Murderer, Plunderer, Rapist and Paedophile.
In order to recruit the gullible who through normal human compassion were reluctant to murder, rob, rape and enslave the innocent he invented a system that criminalise all who did not submit to him as infidels disbelievers and so on.
Now he could recruit thugs and collect one fifth of the plunder which becomes an enormous amount when you have recruited a large enough number of plunderers.
“Moderate Muslims” are just dormant plundering thugs. That’s why when ISIS/ISIL invaded the apparently “Moderate Muslims” Sunnys al of a sudden turned on the Christians and Yazidis, because all of sudden they discovered a “nod of approval” from the ISIS/ISIL plunderers for them to turn on their neighbours and grab their homes an possessions.
Neil Jennison says
It is 8 09 am here in Britain and I am watching the morning news.
They have just run this beheading story on the BBC and they did not mention the possibility that the culprit had converted to Islam. Neither did they on the reports last night.
If your information is correct, I find it truly disturbing that the UK news has not mentioned what would be a very pertinent fact. Worse, it seems I can only find out the truth about a UK news item by accessing and American website.
Is this a deliberate ploy by the powers that be to play down the Islam connection? I suspect so.
I did wonder when I first heard yesterday, beheading is not the usual method of madmen killing their victims.
richard sherman says
BBC is owned by ISIS.
Neil Jennison says
It does seem as if the BBC is colluding with the police (if indeed the perpetrator is a Muslim convert) to pretend it isn’t a terrorist act.
In fact, I am amazed at the lack of coverage anyway. Beheadings are very unusual.
duh_swami says
A really strong Allahgasm? Allahphrenia?
Generally people in a violent psychotic frenzy with a knife, sword or dagger, just hack and slash. Beheading is specialized
to Islam. So while this attack may not be deliberate terrorism, it was Islamic in method. He got that idea somewhere, and it’s not too hard to figure out where. Not all murders of kuffar are terror related, even though they may be terrifying, but nearly all of them are Islam related.
Neil Jennison says
What is the difference between a terrorist beheading and non-terrorist Islamic beheading?
I suspect the answer is the police think he acted alone and was not a member of a recognised terrorist group.
I think the distinction is artificial.
ECAW says
Everyone here who has expressed a view on the matter joins with Robert Spencer in deriding the Police’s view that this is not a terrorist attack. It depends on your definition of “terrorist”. Mine is an act of terror in pursuit of a political/military/ideological etc end. This beheader was shouting about cats and also cut off a cat’s head so it’s quite possible that he was crazy, with his craziness abetted by the inherent craziness of Islam. If that is the case I think it quite possible that the act was inspired by Islam but not terrorist, unlike the Lee Rigby murder.
That said, with each of these horrors I find myself hoping that they do turn out to be Islam inspired so that the connection between Islam and savagery becomes ever more obvious to the sleeping masses and ever more difficult for our leaders to deny.
As for David Cameron:
http://ecawblog.wordpress.com/next-weeks-news/
duh_swami says
What is the difference between a terrorist beheading and non-terrorist Islamic beheading?
Intent…
Neil Jennison says
I am struggling to see how one can behead an infidel in the name of Allah without wanting to cause terror in others.
duh_swami says
I am struggling to see how one can behead an infidel in the name of Allah without wanting to cause terror in others
Struggle away…I already told you in one word, ‘intent’. Terrorism is a tactic that requires intent to terrorize for a particular reason. Killing gays for instance is not meant to terrorize but to punish.
Anyway, I’m not going to explain it further…Think what you want.
Neil Jennison says
But isn’t “terror” part of the reason the Koran mandates the beheading of infidels?
Presumably to force conversion to Islam or submission into Dhimmitude.
I am not convinced the two (terror and punishment) can be completely separated in the case of Islamic beheadings.
gravenimage says
Duh Swami wrote:
Killing gays for instance is not meant to terrorize but to punish…
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Swami—with respect—I think Muslim intent is almost always *both*.
Savage murders of Infidels and “hypocrites” is almost always intended both to punish the “un-Islamic” *and* to terrify other Infidels and potential “apostates”.
The fact that the “punished” victims are almost always terrorized in the process—as poor Palmira Silva probably was when confronted by her savage murderer—is just ‘gravy’ for sadistic Mohammedans.
voegelinian says
Any and all violence committed by a Muslim should be considered by us to be terrorism. Why is this concept so hard for so many wishy-washy Jihad Watchers?
tpellow says
It’s as though the political ‘left’ in the West is on a political mission to enable Islam to colonize us. Not only will the ‘left’ not make criticism of Islam, it will not allow criticism of Islam to be made by others.
In its review of UK newspaper front pages today, the BBC censored out reference to ‘The Sun’ front page. At least ‘Sky News’ didn’t.
‘Sky News’-
http://news.sky.com/story/1330385/fridays-national-newspaper-front-pages
Neil Jennison says
Well I am bloody angry now! I know the BBC are a dangerous bunch of leftist lunatics but this kind of censorship is incredible.
Until I read Jihad Watch, I had all my information from the BBC and had no idea this was another Islamic beheading.
ECAW says
This morning’s Telegraph includes the suggestion that the man was a Muslim. The Guardian omits it.
Both omit the fact that he was black.
Neil Jennison says
No surprise there!
Andrew Butler says
I am aware of only two groups in the world that are currently engaged in beheadings: Islamists and Mexican drug cartel members. I have yet to read any reports claiming that residents have identified the suspect as a member of the Los Zetas drug cartel. It will be interesting to see if P.T. Barnum’s claims about the birth rate of suckers proves to be true or not.
Andrew Butler says
It is also worth noting that the recently established E.I.C. (Edmonton Islamic Centre) Al Masjid and the Mevlana Rumi Mosque are each located less than one mile from the address at which Ms. Silva was murdered yesterday afternoon.
Rezali Mehil says
Very sorry for this woman….nothing much one can say about such a heinous crime ..totally totally unforgivable.
It is idiots like these that have not allowed the “salt n pepper” integration of muslims in English towns.
It is idiots like these that have stopped Turkey’s integration into the EU.
These idiots have no regard for other people’s well being …they are ill …they should be asylum locked and not allowed to convert to Islam – they are giving Muslims a bad name.
It seems that there should be provision to DE-muslim unsuitable sunni converts – this may happen over the coming years ; but it should be here now.
My heart and condolences go to her family
More Later…..
Rezali
ECAW says
It’s Islam that’s giving Islam a bad name!
gravenimage says
The vile Rezali Mehil wrote:
Very sorry for this woman….nothing much one can say about such a heinous crime ..totally totally unforgivable.
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Why would this pious Muslimah say such a thing? The “Prophet” beheaded huge numbers of Infidel victims. This is completely Sunnah…
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It is idiots like these that have not allowed the “salt n pepper” integration of muslims in English towns.
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Grimly laughable. The Edmonton suburb of London is about as “salt and pepper” as things get, and that just meant that this pious Jihadist had easy access to lots of Infidel British victims.
Moreover, the idea that *more* immigration from Muslims will somehow lead to *fewer* beheadings by Mohammedans makes no sense at all. After all, that hasn’t exactly worked in the Islamic State…
Besides, is she threatening us with *more* beheadings by her savage coreligionists unless Britain lets in even more Muslims? Certainly sounds like it…
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It is idiots like these that have stopped Turkey’s integration into the EU.
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If only Britain had a flood of Muslims from Turkey, as well—just think how much better things would be…sarc/off
Here’s a Turkish Bishop who was beheaded by his “Allahu Akbaring” Muslim driver:
“Funeral of Turkish Bishop: Brutal Beheading. Muslim Confesses ‘I killed the great Satan'”
http://catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=36862
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These idiots have no regard for other people’s well being …they are ill …they should be asylum locked and not allowed to convert to Islam – they are giving Muslims a bad name.
It seems that there should be provision to DE-muslim unsuitable sunni converts – this may happen over the coming years ; but it should be here now.
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Hilarious—as though this savagery were only being committed by converts to Islam. I suppose it is just new “reverts” who are lining the streets of Mosul with the decapitated heads of Infidels and “apostates”. What crap…
Here we have a Muslim cleric reaffirming that “Beheading A Harbi Infidel Is A Blessed Act For Which A Muslim Is Rewarded”.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/muslim-cleric-justifies-islamic-state-beheadings-islam-is-a-religion-of-beheading
And Imam Hussein bin Mahmoud notes how widespread his view is, saying “the [only] matter scholars disagree about is the question of transferring the head from one place to another, traveling with it and carrying it around…”.
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My heart and condolences go to her family
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Crocodile tears. *Ugh*.
duh_swami says
they should be asylum locked and not allowed to convert to Islam
That’s right…There should be a mental examination before anyone is allowed to convert or read the Quran. Only people who are proven stable, and serious researchers should be allowed to to check a copy out of the vault and read it.
For unstable people the Quran is a time bomb, especially if they convert.
Eliza says
I don’t believe anyone with healthy mind can convert to Islam. I’m shocked when I read Polish converts’ blogs and see how many women are becoming muslims. Sick, devil’s cult which has nothing to do with God.
Dave M says
“a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.” The words of Enoch Powell in his famous speech in 1968. Oh how true those words have become. I fear we are doomed as a nation unless we get a government with a backbone that is prepared to take on these savages. One thing is absolutely certain if an individual should take on one of these stone age morons it would not be the Muslim in court.
Gardener says
Let’s be adults. Calling it a terrorist attack would be mischievous. It’s an attack by a mentally ill person. Presumably his conversion to Islam was symptomatic of his mental illness.
The lunatic first decapitated a cat and apparently raged about cats. Muhammad was fond of cats, and one of his companions liked cats so much he was named after them (Abu Hurairah). In other words, having hatred for cats is against the sunna. Also see Wikipedia article called “Islam and cats”.
The murder of Lee Rigby was a terrorist attack. This isn’t.
Michael Copeland says
Let’s see.
A convert to Islam beheads a non-muslim.
The Koran’s teachings, he is instructed, are
“universal and trans-time”, “valid from eternity to eternity”.
Non-muslims are “filth”, the enemies of Allah.
“Kill them wherever you find them … Strike at their necks”.
Is there a connection, Mr. Cameron?
Tom Little says
Did the murderer’s conversion to islam lead to his mental illness; or did his mental illness lead to his conversion to islam?
Yes, on both counts.
Bezelel says
Brilliant deduction. You must be a genius. All you have to do to arrive at that conclusion is ignore 90% of the other evidence. For some reason I feel it necessary to include the (sarc) notation. That means sarcasm.
gravenimage says
Ah, yes. Some Muslims even claim that the word “cat” comes from the Arabic word “qit”.
But, like so much of this rot, this is utterly false—instead, “cat” comes from Old English, Old German, and late Latin:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=CAT
Here’s one load of fake Muslim ‘cat lore’:
http://www.the-wayfarer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=222%3Athe-sunnah-and-blessings-in-healing-effects-of-cats&catid=8%3Aarticles&Itemid=8&limitstart=2
Note that one of these “legends” that makes the “Prophet” look like a cat lover was narrated by one Annemarie Schimmel from a book from 1994—which sounds more like “multicultural” cuteness than some genuine ancient Muslim legend.
Muslims have to cast a pretty wide net in order to find anything in their creed except barbarism and bloodshed.
Luckily, they have a whole lot of well-meaning Infidels more than happy to make it up for them…
richard shetman says
…and was Muhammad mentally ill when he personally decapitated 600-900 unarmed Jews in 627?…
Or was he a “perfect” man practising Islam?…
Obama and Cameron will tell you the answer..
and so will every Muslim….It is this foundational decapitation of infidels that they all revere.
Neil Jennison says
The Daily Telegraph (I have just got my copy) says that the reports that the man is a Muslim convert are “unconfirmed”.
Michael Carpenter says
As many Islamic terrorist incidents that have occurred in various infidel countries around the world, one could think that governments would start addressing Islam for what it is a murderous religion that is hell bent on destroying civilized societies around the world, yet governments remain afraid to address terrorist incidents by calling them terrorist attacks, all because of a false belief in political correctness and multiculturalism. Governments fail to realize Islam will never be at peace with non Islamic countries. Muslims like this murderer will continue to rise up and kill innocent people all because governments fail to address the Islamic invasion into their country.
Neil Jennison says
No chance. Political correctness is entrenched in the law itself now. It is all but illegal to criticize Islam in the UK. You have to very careful what you say or write in public to ensure you don’t fall foul of the laws on inciting racial hatred. Not that the police have a clue about the difference between Islam, a religion, and a racial group.
A report has just been issued saying that the UK police have given up investigating thefts from cars and criminal damage. But strangely if someone says something that someone else complains may be racist (even though it probably isn’t), they send round 5 officers mob handed to do the arrest and say they “have a duty to investigate these matters”.
Shame such a duty doesn’t seem to apply to theft or criminal damage.
Ha Meshuga says
The question that should be asked by all, is:
Do we think that this sub human act and method of murder was a result of seeing graphic news video’s of decapitations?
Mo says
@ Ha Meshuga
“The question that should be asked by all, is:
Do we think that this sub human act and method of murder was a result of seeing graphic news video’s of decapitations”
(Please note I’ll wait for sure confirmation that this guy was a Muslim convert.)
But in general, no. Of course it’s not the result of seeing news videos of decapitations. I’ve seen my fair share and I have zero inclination to do likewise.
It’s the result of following an ideology that commands and condones such subhuman acts and methods of murder.
BC says
It is remarkable how often these converts do not embrace the ‘good’
peaceful Islam but go staright to the ‘dark side’. One has to wonder what kind of religious teachers are preparing them for the faith
Mo says
@ BC
“It is remarkable how often these converts do not embrace the ‘good’ peaceful Islam but go staright to the ‘dark side’.”
You know, this is a good point, and one that I never see discussed!
pumbar says
It’s amazing that Britain is finished as we’re close to voting, en masse, for UKIP while you lot will stick hillary in in the next term. I suggest you consider it a sniper dodging suppository,
Truth says
Hey UK: Any nation that pays taxes (police protection, traffic closures,etc) for unelected royalty or House of Lords is a nation of fools.
Neil Jennison says
Off topic but there are very good reasons to have the armed forces loyal to a non-political Head Of State rather than the government of the day.
It provides protection from an elected government going loopy.
BC says
No we are not UKIP will probaly do quite well but I doubt very much they will form a government.
john spielman says
good reason for all UK citizens to carry a hand gun even if it’s illegal
ed says
lee rigbys killers were not charged with terrorism offences ??????
Brendan says
I agree with u Ed about people carrying hand guns I can c y in the USA people r allowed to carry hand guns just incase anything like this happens to them
BC says
There is real hysteria here today. Here are some figures
USA % of homicide by gun 60%
Number by gun 9000+
Homicide by gun per 100,000 – 3
UK % homicide by gun 6’6%
Number by gun 41
Homicide by gun per 100,000 – 0.07
This leaves out the large numbers of accidental deaths and suicides in USA.
Carrying a bow and arrows around all the time is not going to help you, it is a distance weapon. You might be able to stab an assailant with an arrow, but you will be as well off with a sharp stick.
Mark Berlinger says
The US violent victimization rate among persons age 12 or older was 26.1 per 1,000 persons. Accurate figures for UK are not available. The recorded crime figures of 43 police agencies are useless to the UK Statistics Authority because senior police officers have allowed the under reporting of crime figures to become “ingrained”. Consider this a conspiracy to allow UK police and politicians to take credit for crime rates that have been manipulated lower. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10784396/Violent-crime-on-increase-England-and-Wales.html
Tim says
You left out a ‘small’ detail. UK’s crime numbers are staggering compared to the U.S. For example, London’s population is 8.4 – the same as New York’s 8.4 million population. In spite of the same volume of population crime levels in London are 450% higher than New York.
gravenimage says
Yes—and this is a fairly recent phenomenon, and very much linked to immigration into Britain. Though British authorities do not keep statistics for ‘politically correct’ reasons, my guess is that much of it is due to *Muslim* immigration.
My grandfather was a police superintendent in the West Midlands, and my mother—then relocated to the US—would often note that the crime rate was much lower back in England.
Not so today…
BC says
While I support JW and Spencer’s work in general, I think he does himself a diservice by going off at half cock on these reports. It may be true that this murderer was motivated by his religion but we do not even know if he is a Muslim according to latest reports. His name is Salvadore, a Spanish name
and the victim is called Silva also a Spanish or Portuguese name.
There may be quite a different explanation to this matter and insanity cannot be ruled out either.
john spielman says
the guy’s a muslim convert
Neil Jennison says
I share your concerns.
MTMLA says
I read somewhere that the murderer is Nigerian, and the victim is Italian. The neighbors said the murdered
had converted to islam last year. Coincidence?
GeoffM says
Muslims and beheadings go together like Strawberries and Cream.
Our politicians willfully refuse to see that though.
All that is happening is that the population is now totally disgusted with them.
Anonamustafa says
“Locals last night claimed the arrested man had converted to Islam last year.”
That was easy.
Semeru says
Or he could have been out of his mind on booze and drugs.
There is nothing to confirm he converted to islam, so far it is only speculation. What we do know is he is Nigerian, and his name is very christian, “Nicholas Salvadore.” or as I mentioned above “Fat Nick”
Seems also unlikey a terror attack, as he was not heard muttering akbar allah, but shout ‘The cats have stolen my lighter’ as he hacked one animal to pieces.
Jay Boo says
Semeru said
Seems also unlikey a terror attack, as he was not heard muttering akbar allah, but shout ‘The cats have stolen my lighter’ as he hacked one animal to pieces.
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‘The cats have stolen my lighter’ sounds phonetically just like akbar allah which BTW we were told by US Senator John McCain just means thank God. Therefore it seems highly likely that the PC MSM are covering up for Islam.
RB says
Here in the USA, a crazed lunatic attacking people with a knife would most likely have been shot before the police showed up. Firearms for protection and hunting are so prevalent in Texas that people generally don’t do stupid things like attacking someone with a knife.
eels says
That may be true, In the UK however it is far less likely that a 9 year old will shoot a 37 year old with an uzi.
gravenimage says
So the skyrocketing rate of Muslim victimization of native British citizens is no big deal?
Bezelel says
An armed society is a polite society. Unless you are in a gun free zone.
eels says
All firearm deaths USA (2103) UK (2011)
•Number of deaths: 32,351 146
•Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.4 0.23
And we are, for the most part, still polite over here.
Bezelel says
The firearm deaths doesn’t show enough related data for an accurate comparison. Such as, shot by police, shot in self defense, shot by a criminal. UK violent crimes are still much higher as criminals use other weapons, ie… machetes.
Jim OMalley says
For you English, let your government take all you guns, and when the Muslims come for you and then to rape you wife’s and daughters in the name of Allah, all you will be able to do is watch…what a bunch of wimps you English men turn into. Get your guns back…JIM
Eels says
Thanks for the advice Jim, we do ok without guns though. You folk seem to shoot your compatriots either by accident or choice,far too often for us to look to you for example.
Bezelel says
Do you believe in private ownership of fire extinguishers or are you content to sit and wait for the proper authorities?
Eels says
If children were killed by accidentally discharging fire extinguishers than were saved by using them to extinguish fires:
If disaffected youths were slaughtering their schoolmates with fire extinguishers:
Then I would think twice before having a fire extinguisher. But they aren’t because the purpose of a fire extinguisher is to put out fires.
Furthermore, I have no idea where you are getting your UK crime figures from because our violent crime rates have fallen for at least two decades. And the homicide rate and violent crime rate in London is far lower than that of New York. The 450% higher rate cited earlier is just wrong and I suspect plucked out of thin air.
Anon says
@Eels, ONE person not being able to defend themselves is one too many. “And we are, for the most part, still polite over here.” May-bee, but that’s sounds arrogant. Take your “politeness” over to a Sharia-majority country for ten years and see how that works. You see freedom is won by righteousness and force not by politeness or wimpy-ness.
Bezelel says
Children accidentally discharging a gun is possible But since we’re talking percentages which I don’t have the stats, it has to be an extremely low figure.
Disaffected youths and adults most not all but most on mind and mood altering drugs and have a history of antisocial behavior. If everyone is supposed to curb our Liberties to what is acceptable for psychos we wont be able to do anything but vegetate with rubber helmets and straight jackets.
To boast a lower crime rate than New York City(very strict gun regulations) doesn’t impress anyone.
Transmaster says
What you are not saying is in the UK you do not have the right to self defense. You are expected to run away. If you try to defend your family from crazed thugs such as the machete hacking nut job you will be arrest and tried for it. A friend of mine over there told be he asked one of your Coppers what he should do if somebody breaks down his front door he was told “well you have a back door don’t you” Even the Police are not armed a local constable has to call in specially armed policemen to take care of a serious situation. In Wyoming, one of those nasty Gun Culture States, this slasher would have been gunned down very quickly, If I was in position it would have been me. You Brit’s are reaping what you have sown you have violent Islamic thugs who do just about anything they want some “A” hole will apologize for them, and you have surrendered your right to defend yourself from them. Talk about a nationwide Darwin Award.
Neil Jennison says
Firstly, we in the UK DO have a right to self defence. We are allowed to use “reasonable force” to defend ourselves, our family and our property. For a while, the police had a strange idea of what constituted “reasonable force” and the police seemed very keen to prosecute victims who defended themselves vigorously. However, in general juries tend to acquit even when the police prosecuted.
The vast majority of people in the UK do not have guns (hand guns are illegal anyway) and most people are happy it stays that way. The culture in the US is different. each to their own.
While UK police do not routinely carry weapons on patrol, they do carry taizers and pepper spray and there is always a patrolling car with firearms on duty if needed.
Eels says
He may have been gunned down in the US, you are right, but almost certainly not before he had harmed his victim. The creep that beheaded the lady was caught, no one else was killed. Later, elsewhere another ass was shot dead by our police, without shooting dead a reality TV soundman in the process, I am pleased to say. Saying we do not have the right to self defence is rubbish too. We do.
SpiritOf1683 says
Unfortunately in the UK, if someone breaks into your home or attacks you and comes off worst, it is you who ends up in the dock. I know of someone who lay in wait and smashed a burglar in the face and flattened him. Guess who got arrested? The person who defended his house.
Ronald D. Bruno says
Terrorism is an act or acts that produces terror. Did Palmira Silva experience terror as this man approached her and proceeded to chop her head off? Do we really have to ask? Whether it was an isolated incident, unrelated to Islam and the man was just insane or the man was Islamic and is sending out a message doesn’t make must difference to the victim, she’s dead.
I do believe the police don’t want to start a panic, but we all should be alarmed that a jihad was just pronounced on the US and the west and that their style of terror is evident, since hundreds and thousands have already been beheaded. Do not be surprised that more of these beheadings will occur throughout the world. They are on the move and it is only the beginning of sorrows.
Judgment Day is coming soon … and they will be judged! Comfort in Him who saves, Jesus. Vengeance is mine says the Lord. Our redemption draws near.
Gary says
This is a terrible symptom of Liberal Multiculturalism .
And the Patriotic Citizens of both the UK and the USA had better wake up soon .
Because there is nowhere to run, No place to Hide , Our homelands are all we have.
CJ says
A reported Muslims terrorizing Britain’s and decapitating an innocent woman — of yes, definitely not “terrorism”. That wouldn’t fit the Left’s multiculturalism agenda!
Soloview says
Hey, let’s not be desperate! It is possible that even among Muslims there are ordinary schizos who chop heads because they obey voices in their heads that tell them to chop heads off and not because the imam tells them this is the true teachings of the prophet.
Gary says
It it worth taking that RISK ?
John says
Oh, my…. couldn’t possibly be a muslim on a terror rampage
Of Course It IS… frankly what else could it be, but a muslim on a terror rampage. I don’t know of any malignant Catholics or Buddhists who have suddenly decided to follow their ‘leader’ in murder… because those Viable & True religions preach Peace & Tolerance unlike the mongrel dog from the desert who emboldens his followers to murder, rape, pillage & terrorize those who are not of their ‘faith…’ such as it may be called? That this person is a recient ‘convert’ if the initial news proves to be true… doesn’t surprise me either since frankly from what I have seen it is these ‘newly minted’ muslims that tend to be the most virulent in their belief and having been bent to the will of that dog of the desert, have to make a statement to the world to prove they are muslim enough or some such mental math required to seek out an elderly woman of 82 years… and decapitate her. Just unbelievable that these people feel the need to attack the most vulnerable, people who should be able to enjoy the twilight of their lives in peace.
Sadly though this ‘non-terrorist’ will be treated as some one off sick-o who is in need of the best in medical care, coddling & pampering… rather than subject him to the very treatment he dealt to this poor woman; or swing him at the end of a rope… where he belongs. Make an example of this terrorist so that his ilk will be on notice… this behavior will not be tolerated, and if you commit acts of terror you will be given the ultimate punishment in a manor equal to your acts.
Semeru says
Chances are this guy was not a moslem for the simple fact that at the time he was running amok, he should have been friday prayers
gravenimage says
Ah…right. I’m sure it would be “un-Islamic” for any pious Muslim in the Islamic State if he were to take time out for beheadings, sex slavery, and genocide when he’s supposed to be at Mosque being incited to behead people…
SpiritOf1683 says
So, because Friday is a day of prayer, we shouldn’t expect any Muslim terrorist atrocities to take place on that day. * rolls eyes *
Jay Boo says
Semeru brought up a good point.
It happened during the day
Friday bloodbaths are supposed to take place after prayers.
Jay Boo says
This is why Muslims must wash BEFORE prayers.
Some impulsive Muslims just can’t wait till after prayers to butcher.
SpiritOf1683 says
Its probably more accurate to say ‘between prayers’.
micky says
He sure the hell was a muslim. Recently converted. You liberal morons are still content reading the mainstream media’s lies I see. Can you believe how mindless and wimpy these comments are from these castrated gelding Brits? I don’t even like to capitalize brit now. What absolute useless wimps they are. Why would God even give the men a set of balls anymore. “oh no. we can defend ourselves. As long as we only use the exact amount of force necessary to calm the suspected perpetrator and not a ounce more now”. I just loath stupid wimpy libs. What a bane to the modern day world they are. The one positive thing that will come out of the mindless libs having voted in for themselves a radical, West hating, Christian hating, gun hating, capitalism hating commie Moabama is that the libs will go down with the titanic as well. And that, that, I will savor!
pumbar says
I’d love for you to come and make that comment in person to me and any of my friends.
Tours 732 says
An elderly lady is decapitated in broad daylight by a man wielding a machete and a police spokesman says “I can understand why this may cause people concern”. Talk about an understatement!
tpellow says
An update.
“Woman beheaded: ‘Muslim convert’ known as Fat Nick suspected of slaughtering grandmother pictured for first time”
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-beheaded-first-picture-of-muslim-convert-nicknamed-fat-nick-suspected-of-murdering-82yearold-9714057.html
Neil Jennison says
Honestly, I despair reading the arguments here about whether the US or the UK have the gun question right…….
It doesn’t matter FFS! We are different and that is fine. What’s the problem?
Surely on this website we are discussing the common danger we face from Islam. The fact that we both have a set of spineless politically correct politicians in power (and in opposition) who refuse to believe the truth about Islam.
We should be concentrating on the fact that our shared beliefs in freedom and democracy are under threat from this medieval, barbaric religion, not squabbling about whether Britain is wrong to ban handguns for self defence.
Back with the main issue, I am not at all sure whether this disgusting act is actually Islamic in origin even though the perpetrator was a Muslim convert. It seems perfectly possible that he is stark, staring mental case. Especially with all his talk about cats stealing his lighter.
None of which diminishes the real threat Islam poses, and I think it does not help the credibility of those of us who understand the threat from Islam with those we seek to persuade, when we fly off the handle and are then proven to be wrong about a tragic event like this.
Bezelel says
Personally I’m content with people who wish to deal with life threatening situations unarmed to do so. My problem is with the ones who would insist that I do the same. Mrs Silva is unaffected by the murderers motive and prudence demands that one be prepared for psychos regardless of brand. So if it turns out that the murderer provides reasons other than pisslam, I will have no remorse for suspecting him of it, since the results are the same.
dumbledoresarmy says
And do you seriously believe that – supposing it were legal to carry handguns openly in public, or to “concealed carry”, in the London suburbs – someone like little old Mrs Da Silva, toddling out into her backyard in the afternoon to do a spot of gardening, would have naturally hitched her sidearm into its holster, just in case??
Bezelel says
No I don’t want to reduce 82yr old ladies to having to wear sidearms while gardening. Concealed carry does reduce crime rate, I suspect because of the predator mentality of the violent criminals, by nature they attack the weak or defenseless. In a concealed carry situation even the people not carrying a weapon benefit because of the possibility that they might be. The opposition runs on the assumption that the average citizen is too inept or irresponsible to be trusted with the means to defend themselves. The vast majority of people in western society Are responsible and capable of discerning right from wrong.
I hold to the simple saying that “When you are up to your ass in alligators it is hard to remember that the first objective was to drain the swamp.
voegelinian says
Yeah, I agree pretty much with Neil Jennison on this; no Western nation (including the U.S.A.) has the right to selectively criticize any other for their softness, when not one Western nation has done much of anything against this growing threat (while doing in various sundry ways tons of counter-productive shit that reinforces the meme that has killed our people, is killing our people now, and portends a horrific escalation in the coming decades).
Mirren10 says
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-beheaded-first-picture-of-muslim-convert-nicknamed-fat-nick-suspected-of-murdering-82yearold-9714057.html
Londo says
Oh my. Imagine the headlines if the man had been a non-muslim and the victim been wearing a headscarf. War headlines. Every media outlet would have carried the story. And probably it should. This story however, I had to find here because no media outlet in Sweden would present it to me.
Anonamustafa says
Well said.
Geraldo says
God bless Mrs. Silva’s family and bring comfort to them during this hard time.
England and USA should establish a moratorium on Islamic immigration as soon as possible. Many Islamists are proving they cannot adapt to West cultures or assimilate multiculturalism and diversity.
SpiritOf1683 says
Cannot adapt? They steadfastly refuse to adapt. They expect us to conform to their ways.
Joan in Houston says
How on earth could they even begin to adapt or even begin to assimilate??
Think about how they were taught from their infancy??
My heart goes out to the family and friends and neighbors of Mrs. Silva.
May she rest in peace.
tpellow says
“‘Fat Nick’ and a beheading in suburbia: Machete murder suspect was jobless loner who ‘killed’ Italian-born great grandmother two hours after walking out of nearby cafe without paying for burger”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745629/Revealed-How-Muslim-arrested-gran-s-beheading-loner-never-job-nicknamed-Fat-Nick.html#ixzz3CWRH76aG
SpiritOf1683 says
As he was a jobless loner, he should never have been let into the UK. Did the brainless authorities who let him in think they were letting in a future Nobel Prize winner? Whoever let him in should lose their jobs, pronto.
Neil Jennison says
We let anyone in. Why are there hundreds of north African Muslims desperate to nip across the channel from Calais?
Simple, because once they once they make it in illegally they will get generous benefits, a house and they know the chance of being forced to leave is almost nil.
Our politicians should be tried for treason.
wolfgang says
Effin useless Poms and the even more useless spineless cowards called the Police……gutless p@#$*k’s , where I am , you would just get ventilated. No need for a victim lawyer.
Sure some Poms will stand up , but nothing ever changes does it ?.
voegelinian says
Our Western mainstream news media are (or have been for a long time) being derelict in their duty to alert the public of the nature of the danger whenever it’s Islam — so much so, that the public will have an increasing right to assume that any crime that seems Islamic is, but its Islamic nature is being covered up. It’s the news media’s responsibility for this position we will be forced to assume, not our resonsibility or fault. If they want to rectify this situation, they know what to do: start doing their job. Thus, the bus beheading in Canada a few years ago, for example, should be assumed by us to be a Muslim jihad (even individual insanity by a Muslim can be jihad) — regardless of whether the news media claimed the Chinese beheader was “Christian”. And so forth.