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“A crime against peaceful coexistence”: Muslims burn Coptic church in Germany

Oct 8, 2014 7:44 am By Robert Spencer

BerlinCopticChurch“On his part, Abba Demian, bishop of Germany, said that he didn’t expect such attack against a church in Germany.” Well, he should expect many more such attacks, for the “peaceful coexistence” that he and his colleagues assumed would be the hallmark of their relationship with Muslims in Germany is steadily going to unravel under the pressure of the jihad imperative.

“Extremists burn a Coptic church in Germany,” by Nader Mohammed, Copts United, October 7, 2014 (thanks to Maged):

The mayor of Berlin condemned attacking and burning St. Athanasius and St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church in Berlin by extremists describing it as a crime against peaceful coexistence.

On his part, Abba Demian, bishop of Germany, said that he didn’t expect such attack against a church in Germany.

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  1. rev g says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Peaceful coexistence? For islam, that only exists as a time between offensives, to regroup, rearm, and lull the opposition into complacency.

    • Jiggen says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 2:53 am

      They can’t even coexist between sunni and shite let alone with others…..

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 5:41 am

      It’s not the camel piss or the verbal/ theological blasphemings that is the problem.

      It’s the *beheadings* (along with all the other types of ritual-murders-for-allah) – and the robberies and invasions and kidnappings and rapes – that are the problem.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      More weirdly off-topic errata from “Michael”. No one really cares if Muslims advocate drinking camel urine or “blaspheme”, despite “Michael’s” constant harping on these points.

      The real issues are stories like this one, where Muslims re burning down our churches and beheading us in the streets.

  2. Don McKellar says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Peaceful coexistence in the terms described in the Koran looks like this:

    Qur’an (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

    “People of the Book” means Christians and Jews, Abba Demian, bishop of Germany.

    CAN THESE THINGS BE SPELLED OUT ANY CLEARER? READ THE MOSLEM MEIN KAMPF AND GET IT STRAIGHT, YOU IDIOTS!

  3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Me) says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 8:22 am

    Allah has never commanded the Believers to “coexist peacefully” with Kafirs. Allah has commanded the Believers to fight the Kafirs until all religion is for Allah! How could all religion be for Allah, while any Christian churches still remain standing for use by Christians – who worship associates of Allah, and not Allah alone, and do not forbid what Allah forbids? O Kafirs! When will you understand? Have you never read our Message?

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 9:29 am

      All Muslims attempt to be “associates of Allah” every time they wash their blood drenched hands before prayers and say Allah is Greatest.

      Muhammad’s shameless coexistence is only with blasphemous depravity.

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 9:33 am

      Thanks for the segue, Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Me)
      How ironic to post as a Muslim criticizing associates while name-dropping as MO

    • Byron says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 2:31 am

      According to what you say then there is no difference between Hitler and Muhammed.

      • PatnTruck says

        Oct 9, 2014 at 2:54 pm

        Hitler could read.

        • petey says

          Oct 10, 2014 at 6:02 am

          Yes he could read, and oddly enough, he also had a shameful relationship with his niece! Strange coincidence???

  4. Diane Harvey says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 8:38 am

    What a story for Bishop McManus, first thing in the morning.

    “Well, I’ll just have to move my afternoon cocktails up to 9:00 this morning.”

    http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/06/bishop-mcmanus-worcester-arrested-for-drunken-driving-admits-terrible-error-judgment/yX75WO47hFk0hJ3i9apVYN/story.html

    “But one thing I just don’t understand. Why isn’t interfaith dialoguing working in Germany?”

    • mortimer says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 9:16 am

      Bishop McManus,

      The dialogue failed. Time to criticize jihad now.

  5. Steffen Larsen says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 8:51 am

    It wasn’t too bad: a door heavily damaged, and some smoke damage.

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 9:04 am

      ”It wasn’t too bad”

      It will get worse. And what are the German authorities doing about it I wonder ? Oh, I know, ‘outreach and inter-faith dialogue’. Bleh.

      • Steffen Larsen says

        Oct 8, 2014 at 10:32 am

        No, attention was immiediately drawn to a recent attack on a new mosque being built.
        The attack on the church was labeled “bigotry”, thereby blaming ethnic Germans.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 5:52 am

          The church should be installing concealed cctv cameras – and/ or webcams – at suitable vantage points – but *not* telling anyone except the police that they are doing it. How about a webcam or two ..feeding direct to local police HQ?

          Then, if there is *another* attack, it should be possible to determine exactly whodunnit.

          Myself, I think that what ought to happen right now is for the Islamosavvy German non-Muslims – whether Christian or non-Christian – to be sending cards or letters of support and encouragement to the priest and congregation of St. Athanasius and St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church in Berlin. If you live near enough to easily travel there, you could look up their service times and then pay a visit…and when you do, throw an envelope stuffed full of euros, and marked “church repair fund”, into the collection plate.

        • Tom Davis says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 1:43 pm

          Hi DDA!

          You are so right. All churches should have web cams. I’ve been saying so since someone stole the antique copper rain gutters off of my church a few years back.

          I hope all is well with you. God bless.

    • Keith says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 10:28 am

      ‘It wasn’t too bad:’, If that had been a mosque you would have heard the screams of Islamophobia in London.
      We would also have to cope with the intolerant b***ards rioting worldwide. It wasn’t too bad, it should not have happened at all, just shows that muslims can’t live in peace with any other people including other muslims.
      Also listen out for the calls claiming that the muslims are the victims of this attempted arson attack and the calls for extra protection for muslims due to Islamophobic attacks in repsonse.

      • Nicu says

        Oct 9, 2014 at 3:07 am

        Exactly — the invade our country and stay among themselves — they turn our countries : their host lands into those countries they ran away from . You cannot live in peace with them unless you convert to Islam .

        Islam is peaceful as long as it has no power : most over there are uneducated never really worked – even for oil they don’t have to work : they take all this from Western countries and down inside they still f*** donkeys and live 1400 years ago .( ok that with the donkeys is not hidden – it makes ” boys to men ” . )

        • Nicu says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 3:11 am

          By the way : in German paoers it is NEVER reported !

          You are lucky if you are an eye witness or know local people .

          When a Rabbi was attacked in Berlin the papers wrote ” JEWS ATTACKED IN GERMANY AGAIN ” — but NOBODY mentioned that the aggressors were Arab teens ! If they commit crimes no name is mentioned and they say ” Southers ” – a shame to the real European Southers ! In GB they are called ” Asians ” – am half Japanese and feel insulted by it !

          You never hear the word Arab or TUrk — sometimes it’s called : German with migration background — and everybody knows it anyway .

  6. pdxnag says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Should apologists for Islam like Ben Affleck put their money where their mouth is and contribute to a fund to indemnify anyone in the West who’s life or property is damaged by this verifiable “jihad imperative”?

    He would soon find himself broke, at which point he could experience empathy rather than something less than sympathy.

  7. RichardL says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Munich is the capital of the State of Bavaria. It is the only truly Christian state left in Germany.

    A few weeks ago a citizens’ initiative handed in their petition against a massive headbangers club sponsored by Qatar in Munich. They collected almost double the necessary number of signatures (65,000) to force a referendum on the decision. The municipal government wasted no time and declared the the initiative nil and void: it would have a technical issue. The technical issue is naturally invented.

    islam is being courted by politicians here but the public resistance is growing. The chap who collected the signatures is of course vilified by all media and the politicians as an islamophobe and Nazi. He recreated the Nazi-resistance organisation White Rose with the last surviving member. He is extremely pro-Israel and a Catholic.

  8. Islam_Macht_Frei says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 10:30 am

    Does Ben Affleck know about this?

    • umbra says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 4:24 am

      Well, he may learn about it in due course, but appears to lack the mental capacity to understand the not-so-complex reason behind this type of attack.

  9. Salah says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 11:17 am

    Peaceful coexistence with Nominal Muslims is possible. Peaceful coexistence with True Muslims is not.
    The definition of Nominal Muslim: Apostate…playing Taqiyya!

    • Jen says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 8:16 pm

      So when nominal Muslims decide to become devout, true Muslims- what then?

      • rev g says

        Oct 8, 2014 at 8:22 pm

        allah-kazaam!

      • Salah says

        Oct 8, 2014 at 9:41 pm

        I agree, peaceful coexistence with Muslims will always be on shaky ground. We should never TRUST Muslims until they openly and publicly reject Islam altogether. Nevertheless, it *is* possible.
        Nominal Muslims are more open to discussions and new ideas, they usually don’t care much about religion.

        • SallyA says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 2:21 am

          Islam = No Peace. By the behavior of Muslims, no peace. By the words in their book, no peace. By their collective conduct over the centuries, no peace. To bring it down to today at a personal level: A nominal Muslim in a little cap on the head with a beard came stealthily up behind me on his bicycle, not making any noise at all with city traffic running alongside an urban park to mask his bike sounds, while I was walking on a sidewalk this evening. He didn’t use the bike path lane on the street but the sidewalk, on the walker’s side, not the driving side. He didn’t knock me down but came within an inch of me physically with his bike before I realized he was behind me. He smiled widely, as if sick glee. And he caused a fright reaction, where I had to say “whoa” and jump out of his way. Non-Muslims always sound their bike bell or horn, or yell out a “to your right” (or left) and “behind you” in plenty of time to give fair warning. He didn’t, because he follows his non-Muslim-hating religion. Muslims, always haters of non-Muslims as my experience indicates because I’m not a Muslim woman who wears a hajib but a non-Muslim in a jeweled ball cap when I’m out exercising in jogging pants. Their gals can’t wear those, so they of course know who’s who, who to harass, who to scare. Talk about creepy control freaking female-hating by Muslims, and that doesn’t even mention Muslim FGM, wife beating, child-bride pedophilia, oh, it’s a long list!

          Seriously it was like the proverbial straw breaking the camel’s back. Now I’m planning a move to a rural area off and away from the major transportation arteries around which Muslims and their mosques congregate in the U.S. Seriously I have friends and family who don’t know how I’ve “stood it” this long in a major city of the U.S. which like all major cities now have substantial Muslim populations.

          Muslims in my experience are consistently rude and scary at best. To know this is not “islamophobia” but self-preservation based on real-world experience. I also stay away from rattle snakes. Without exception, I have never met a friendly or courteous Muslim in any setting in the U.S. They don’t want to assimilate but to terrorize and conquer. I don’t ever see any of the nice Muslims (because I’m not a politician or religious leader to whom they taqiyya-pander with their hypocrisy).

          The U.S. government isn’t going to stem the encroaching tide of Muslims or any other immigration of third-world folks including drug cartel teens from south of the border. No matter how much we vent about it on blogs. We’re on our own. Knowledge is power, so at least we can make our best decisions from the increasingly limited array of choices, going forward, with hope the best of civilization remains and the rest evolves to a world where Islam would be unthinkable as criminally insane cruelty.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 8:59 pm

          SallyA wrote:

          Now I’m planning a move to a rural area off and away from the major transportation arteries around which Muslims and their mosques congregate in the U.S. Seriously I have friends and family who don’t know how I’ve “stood it” this long in a major city of the U.S. which like all major cities now have substantial Muslim populations.
          ………………………….

          I in no way blame you personally, SallyA—you have to be safe and live your life.

          But this means that at least some Americans are already poised to do what the British and Europeans have been doing for decades: ceding their greatest cities to Mohammedan barbarians.

  10. John in Southport says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 11:25 am

    It is about time the whole world turned round and said enough is enough and get rid of all these leftie PC plonkers who are so scared to say or do anything to upset islam. What does it take to shoe everyone what is coming ? How many examples do they have to see before they open their eyes ????

  11. Richard says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    What would happen if the pope.. suddenly called on his church .To rise up take arms.. and in doing so you will save your self from purgatory and hell.
    And pardoned for all your sins.
    A peace bringer. A .. saviour of the world. Though Not recommended waking that beast up. it too is anti democratic…

    • umbra says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 4:30 am

      Its not his church. In any case, this pontiff is a modern jesuit – a.k.a. kumbaya type.

    • jonezen says

      Oct 15, 2014 at 12:28 am

      Memory in the West is short-lived, so much so that is very challenging to examine with clear presence of mind the painful challeges we must now face head-on before it’s too late. Unfortunately, such clear assessments have not come easily to Westerners, especially of late.

      Perhaps this is the cost we must now pay for having forgotten our own history. We forget the Crusades and the Christian doctrine of proselitizing. We forget how many Muslim men women and children were either slayed or forced to accept religious conversions under threat of death. We forget that to many of the Muslims who spent a decade living beneath the roar of our bombers, the U.S. has truly earned its distinction as the great satanic nation of infidels.

      I can’t recommend any action other than the unwinding of all the stupid actions that led us to this point. But since that isn’t possible, we can be sure that more stupid actions and reactions are to come.

      • rev g says

        Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 am

        Yes, somebody definitely does not remember history…or has only learned the pop culture revisionist version of it.

  12. Cora Nott says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    It is time to destroy the mosques. That’s the origin of the instructions to wage terrorist jihad. Destroy the roots, the weeds will die.

  13. Michael says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    In all likelihood Moslems committed the arson. The actual perpetrators, however, have not been found according to German news reports from yesterday.

    Unless I missed something the headline of this news item is premature.

    • SallyA says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 2:36 am

      @ Michael — I too notice how few perpetrators of so-called mosque vandalism are ever found, and have surmised that the vandalizers could be Muslims damaging their own property, the better to play the victim “islamophobic” card. So few Americans are even aware of the risk of Islam, or doing much but watching sports and Netflix when not at work (and the welfare recipients checking in with social workers or pretending to find a job or chasing after kids), who would take time to plan to vandalize a mosque unless it played into PR propaganda of Muslims crying wolf in America against the sheeple?

      CAIR etc. is ridiculous. PC MC sanitizing deceit-and-death Islam is idiotic. But you have to unplug your mind from entertainment media for a while to know that. Otherwise the Muslim/CAIR etc. propaganda (including novels and movies) is spun well enough to sound like what “good people” (like Ben Affleck and every other Islamic apologist including the pope perhaps thinks he is) believe should concern them. If we talked more about the narrative of the immense suffering Islam causes everywhere it is practiced, perhaps more people might unplug from the ridiculous idiocy and start demanding better solutions to the Muslim threat.

    • Semeru says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 3:47 am

      Spencer said
      “A crime against peaceful coexistence”: Muslims burn Coptic church in Germany

      Spencer does not have proof that musselmen where involved

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 9, 2014 at 9:07 pm

        Probably rowdy Lutherans…sarc/off

  14. tommy651 says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    these is the fault of all the leftist politicians that the germen citizens put in power. these muslims are only doing what the leftists brought them to Germany to do.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 9:14 pm

      A great deal of the blame for this *should* be laid at the feet of Leftist politicians, no doubt, who initiated, enabled, and ignored the problem.

      But there is no reason to believe that this was planned—most of these pols are completely ignorant about Islam, its tenets and its history—but they are now so deep in denial that they are unlikely to change their policies.

      But did they actually *plan* to have Europe taken over by ravening Mohammedans? I think not.

  15. Charli Main says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 4:08 am

    “On his part, Abba Demian, bishop of Germany, said that he didn’t expect such attack against a church in Germany.”
    It woz der Jeweeoooosssss that done it. Der Jeweeoosss have a long history of attacking Christians and churches in Europe.

    • Semeru says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 7:27 am

      It is not very likely this attcked was committed by jews, and it need not be musselmen as Lichtenberg, a district of eastern Berlin where the church is situated known as a neo-Nazi stronghold.

  16. omega2 says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Lets just say that these MUSLIM JIHADI’S ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THE BASTARDS OF THE WORLD AND NEED TO BE ELIMINATED FOR THE GOOD OF HUMANITY TO EXIST IN PEACE!

  17. gravenimage says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    “A crime against peaceful coexistence”: Muslims burn Coptic church in Germany
    …………………………….

    Of course, Muslims care *nothing* for peaceful coexistence.

    And as much as they hate Infidels in general, they specially target Kaffir in the West who are escaping dhimmitude in Dar-al-Islam—like these Copts.

    The message is clear: that once a community of Infidels was forced beneath the Muslim heel that they are never allowed to escape—not even in the free West.

  18. dumbledoresarmy says

    Oct 10, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Dogs might be a good idea, for the rectory and for the church grounds.

    About three or four big black dogs (Muslims are superstitiously spooked by black dogs), well-trained, and of one of those breeds that are highly protective of their owners and territory (they would have to be thoroughly familiarised with all congregation members, and the local cops, so as to recognise them as “members of the pack”.

    On patrol at all times, ready to give the alarm…and ready to do battle.

    Hounds of Heaven.

    IN Afghanistan, a group of American soldiers, so I am told, befriended a group of stray local pi-dogs, the kind that eke out a wretched existence in parts of the dar al Islam, abused and neglected, sometimes used for dog-fighting.

    One night as the soldiers were turning in to bed, they heard a terrific row at the entrance to their hut or compound. When they investigated, they discovered that the three dogs (dog, bitch and half-grown pup) had “bailed up” an Unfriendly in the entrance. The Unfriendly detonated the bomb attached to his person; but not having been able to get inside the premises – because of having been stopped by the dogs – he did not manage to kill any of the soldiers. One of the dogs was killed; two were hurt, but survived. The survivors were, needless to say, feted and cared for by the men whose lives they had undoubtedly saved, and – to cut a long story short – are now living the life of Riley with dog-loving American owners in the USA.

    Like I said: Hounds of Heaven.

    Infidel Man’s Best Friend.

  19. Sandro Casagrande says

    Oct 10, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    “On his part, Abba Demian, bishop of Germany, said that he didn’t expect such attack against a church in Germany”
    “oh sancta simplicitas”
    [Jan Hus at his execution , burned alive on the stake]

  20. Hening says

    Oct 11, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Folks, there is no peace with Islam. They are at war, 24/7, with everyone who is not Islamic, and that is what attracts the psychopaths. Islam makes the Nazi Party appear civilized.

  21. Will says

    Oct 11, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Not to be too picky – but the extremists in this case are suspected to be white german nazis. Coptic churches look ALOT like mosques – and Copts look identical to Egyptian muslims (whose ancestors used to be Copts – Egypt was once over 90% christian). There is virtually zero anti-copt animus among the mainly turkish muslims of Berlin.

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