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Australia: Muslims warn anti-terror laws could prevent teaching from Qur’an

Oct 8, 2014 11:50 am By Robert Spencer

qurangun“It is documented the al-Qaeda handlers of the 9/11 suicide pilots had urged them to dwell on passages in the Koran in which God promises to ‘cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!’ But some scholars have pointed out that the Old Testament is just as violent in its imagery, including Psalm 137 which threatens Babylonians that ‘blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks.'” Very well. When believers in the Hebrew Scriptures start killing babies and pointing to that verse to justify it, we may have a problem. Until then, this argument only serves to evade the uncomfortable fact that all too many Muslims worldwide are committing acts of violence and pointing to the Qur’an to justify those acts and make recruits among peaceful Muslims.

Any decent anti-terror law should catch those who incite people to violence on the basis of Qur’an passages. If it doesn’t, it isn’t worth a thing.

“Muslims warn anti-terror laws could prevent teaching from Koran,” by Heath Aston, Sydney Morning Herald, October 9, 2014:

A Muslim cleric who preaches from certain passages of the Koran could be caught in the “broad” net of the government’s new anti-terror law, Islamic leaders have warned.

Grand Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Abu Mohammad and the Australian National Imams Council have called for the offence of “advocating terrorism” to be removed from the so-called Foreign Fighters Bill, currently before Parliament.

They went public with their opposition on the same day Prime Minister Tony Abbott backed the draft legislation as essential to reining in “preachers of hate”, including the radical Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir.

The organisation is hosting a lecture in Lakemba on Friday to denounce “the politics and plots of the American-led intervention in Iraq and Syria” and Mr Abbott has conceded that the current legal framework is not sufficient to shut the event down.The imams council said a cleric could fall foul of the new law even if he simply “advocated the duty of a Muslim to defend his land”.

“We are therefore concerned that the proposal has serious implications on free speech and will have a chilling effect on legitimate religious and political debate,” the council – representing 250 imams – said in a submission to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security.

Appearing in front of the committee on Wednesday, members of the Muslim Legal Network said the laws, introduced by Attorney-General George Brandis, should target the extreme fringe, not mainstream Muslims.

They said any religious community could face being charged with a terror-related offence “if they refer back to stories in the Quran, Bible and Torah in their sermons”.

It is documented the al-Qaeda handlers of the 9/11 suicide pilots had urged them to dwell on passages in the Koran in which God promises to “cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!”

But some scholars have pointed out that the Old Testament is just as violent in its imagery, including Psalm 137 which threatens Babylonians that “blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks”.

In its submission, the Islamic Council of Victoria said the new law would incriminate Muslims who support “legitimate forms of armed struggle”, including resistance to the Assad regime in Syria and the Palestinian conflict with Israel.

“The broad definition of ‘terrorism’ and the way in which it is sometimes selectively applied to such groups is problematic … [and] the power of the Attorney-General to list terrorist organisations without oversight and consistency exacerbates this problem,” it said.

“Broadening this definition to include ‘foreign incursions’ and ‘treason’ when Australia already has laws which deal with these further muddies the water on the issue of what can be considered terrorism and what should be considered legitimate resistance to oppression.

“Criminalising the act of ‘advocating terrorism’ adds another layer of complexity to this issue. The scope of what constitutes ‘advocating terrorism’ is unclear.”

The council identified what it says is a double standard in Muslims wanting to go to Syria and Iraq to provide aid having their passports cancelled “while ignoring the travel of Zionist Jews wishing to travel to Israel – a state which illegally occupies Palestinian territory with intention of fighting in a war against Gazans and has been accused of war crimes”.

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  1. Bob Smith says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Hot tip little beaver.

    Islamic theology incites its followers to commit violence.

    What took so long.

    It is long overdue to start a serious critique of Islamic theology – in public. Call it out for what it is – HATE.

  2. Peter Buckley says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Western countries will, at some point in the future, come to the inevitable conclusion that the Quran itself represents “hate speech”:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm

    This will lead to the closure of “Islamic schools”.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/madrassah-booted-from-toronto-school-pending-hate-probe-1.1184281

    This will happen within ten years, after the closure of “informal” Sharia Courts:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/10778554/The-feisty-baroness-defending-voiceless-Muslim-women.html

    • DiMu says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 8:21 am

      I hope you are correct. At least the Aussies are heading in the correct direction. That’s never going to happen here with the idiot in the White House.

  3. Aardvark says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    It should not only be illegal to advocate terrorism, it should also be illegal to try and prevent the introduction of laws to stop people advocating terrorism!

    Why would these witch-doctors want to prevent such laws? Because they want to be able to tell their followers to commit murder and mayhem without being arrested!

    Deport the lot. It’s the only real answer.

    • inMAGICn says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 1:43 am

      May I repeat the suggestion that Arthur Guy Empey made concerning communists in the US in the 1920’s.

      You load them all in freighters to ship them to Europe and Russia.
      Then in the middle of the Atlantic:

      You torpedo the freighters,

  4. Beagle says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    I remember 3.151, 7.04, and 8.60 are “terror” or “strike terror” verses depending on the translation. Several others are as well. Muhammad quipped “I have been made victorious with terror” in Sahih Bukhari.

    http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.220.html

    But really, nothing to worry about. Christians did something a couple hundred years ago or something. Old Testament has passages… Poverty, alienation, marginalization, root causes, CRUSADES! Yadda. Yadda. Yadda.

    • Fr. Basil says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      The Crusades were a European Christian response to mahometan jihadistaism.

    • Rebecca S. says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 5:13 pm

      HAHAHAAA OMG you just summarized their entire ‘usual defense’ of their total B.S. XD I used to try to argue with muslims on youtube using facts, logic, TRUTH and their arguments always boiled down to the same ludicrous mantras. I got so frustrated I gave up and just started insulting them instead. It’s really funny how they believe using ‘their own’ popular insults have an effect on us, e.g. calling someone a ‘dog’ XD or insulting their mother. When I started using their own type of insults against them they went nuts.

      You gave me a good laugh !

      • Jen says

        Oct 8, 2014 at 8:43 pm

        Haha. They use certain insults repeatedly and it makes me laugh. — “Your mother is a wh*re” “Your mother f***s so many men, why isn’t she satisfied yet” “dirty dog” etc.

        • pumbar says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 1:51 am

          I’ve noticed that too. But just winding them up shows others just how volatile and violent they are. I hope I’ve awoken lots of people to what islam really is thanks to arguments on Youtube.

        • Mark says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 8:46 am

          Perhaps you should try the insult, ‘your mother is a secret Christian’

        • Hospitaller says

          Oct 9, 2014 at 3:36 pm

          “You and I are really brothers since your REAL dad is a kafir.”

    • Will says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 6:55 am

      Yawn!! Same old leftist story..boring!!! and totally untrue..Affleck in disguise?

  5. Ice Star says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    “But some scholars have pointed out that the Old Testament is just as violent in its imagery, including Psalm 137 which threatens Babylonians that “blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks”.”

    The historical people know as the Babylonians are dead.

    ” passages in the Koran in which God promises to “cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!””

    Allah is the deity who made that promise.

    That command is meant to continue until Islam is the dominant religion and sharia is the law.

    Context matters.

  6. manuel-rafael says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    THE BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY OF ISLAMIC DOMINANCE IS IRRELEVANT WHEN MISREPORTED FROM A “CIVIL RIGHTS” ANGLE THAT IS IRRESPECTIVE OF HUMAN LIFE; WHEN THE “VICTIMIZED” ARE SO FAR REMOVED FROM THE CIVILIZED WORLD. DARWINIAN BREAK WITH EVOLUTION THE SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST BASED ON GENOCIDE RAPES, TORTURE, SODOMY OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN THE INDISCRIMINATE MASS MURDER OF UNARMED CIVILIANS IS, BY ALL ACCOUNTS A WAR CRIME WHETHER A STATE OR STATELESS STATE THE IDEOLOGY INVOLVED IS THE CULPABLE PARTY IF THIS INDICTMENT SOUNDS ISLAMOPHOBIC, IT IS WHAT IT IS NO POLITICALLY CORRECT CORRECTION WILL CHANGE THE FACTS, PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED FOR MOHAMMED’S ETERNAL JIHAD IRRESPECTIVE THE INTERMITTENT NATURE OF HIS SCHIZOPHRENIC DELUSIONS AS HE RODE HIS HORSE AL’BURAQ; HIS IDEOLOGY OF TOTAL CONQUEST DEPENDENT ON THE ARAB SPRING WITH AIR SUPPORT PROVIDED ANOTHER BURAQ, A BARACK BY ANY OTHER NAME; IT CARRIES THE MOHAMMEDAN NAZIISM OF GENOCIDE.

    • carpediadem says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 7:35 am

      Please use lower-case typing, it is easier to read. Thanks. 🙂

  7. Beagle says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    It is interesting the SMH author left out the citation to the strike terror verse he is quoting, 8.12.

    8.12
    Sahih International
    [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
    — —

    No problem attributing to “Psalm 137”, but for some reason the Quran may not be cited accurately in media.

    • Will says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 6:10 am

      SMH is a leftist toilet roll

  8. Wellington says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    It should be obvious by now to all but the obtuse and the mendacious that the Koran is a terror maual and the Bible is not. The principle reason for this is that the Koran is always prescriptive while the Bible is often only descriptive. The proof for this lies in the fact that Muslims aplenty are killing and maiming many in today’s world and citing the Koran as the authorization for this, while no Christian or Jew (or practically no Christian or Jew) cites the Bible for killing or maiming anyone. The Koran is also an inveterate enemy of liberty in this world while there is nothing in the Bible which is a threat to liberty in our time.

  9. somehistory says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Their stance is indefensible. That is the *reason* they bring in the Bible; to muddy the waters, to try to deflect and if they can get the government to be deflected and say that Christians and Jews will not be allowed to read the Psalms…we just can’t pass this law.
    No one who reads the Psalms with a view to following the advice, correction, learning to be spiritual v materialistic, and learning the mind of the True God, will be advocating that others go out and find a child to bang against a rock. No one that worships the True God and follows the life of Christ will be looking to kill.
    And what is more, these muslims know it. If they thought that Jews and Christians were out to kill them, knowing they are outnumbered and knowing the skill sets of many, they would be cowering in their caves. But they know that readers of the Psalms and other Bible verses are peaceful people who don’t dwell on striking necks with knives or striking children against the rocks.
    And certainly no advocating of such things is even contemplated.
    Except by muslims.

  10. nacazo says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Advocating killing children or anyone from no-longer existing countries such as Babylon should be legal. Advocating killing children or anyone from Australia should be illegal (unless they starting calling Australia with the name Babylon).

  11. Michael Copeland says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    The Bible informs Western law, but is not part of it.
    The Koran is part of Islamic law.

  12. TH says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    The Quran should actually be banned for incitement to terrorism. As for the Hebrew Scriputres and violence, they are not in any way a recipe for organizing a State these days. Christianity from the very beginning reinterpreted them so that many of the precepts therin were simply dropped or changed, such as the dietary law and the Sabbath was changed to Sunday etc. The Christian interpretation of the Old Testament is all based on the fact that it is seen as a promise fullfilled in Christ, so that any ancient passage which present any type of violence are simply superseded by the teaching of Jesus in the New Testament. As for the Jewish interpretation of their Scriptures, they are also open to historical critical interpretation and an understanding of such passages in a non literal sense, in no way a commandment for Jews to kill anyone. Besdies, as is obvious, Jews have lived all over the world for centuries and they have never tried to make thier own law the law of the land in other places.

    • carpediadem says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 7:38 am

      In addition, both Judaism and Christianity have gone through an Enlightenment.
      Islam has not.

  13. PRCS says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    “Muslims warn anti-terror laws could prevent teaching from Koran”

    Oh, ye Muslim “scholars”, the operative concept is TEACHING from the Big Book.

    Like TEACHING the amputation of thieves’ hand(s), the beheadings, and the amputation of a hand and a foot on opposite sides for spreading mischief in the land, and other 7th century Bedouin customs and barbarities legitimized within; like teaching that Muslims are the best of people, evolved for all mankind and that the rest of us are the vilest of creatures.

    So, in order to more precisely understand their exact concerns, our Aussie cousins will need to know exactly which passages cause so much concern amongst all those scholars and will surely need to know how that “extreme fringe’s” understanding of Islam differs from “mainstream Muslims”.

    Muslims brought this to the fore themselves.

    Let’s see how big a hole they’ll dig.

  14. Anon says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    “But some scholars have pointed out that the Old Testament is just as violent in its imagery, including Psalm 137 which threatens Babylonians that “blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks”.”

    Quote “violent in its imagery” but such verses are not instructions to current day followers of the New Testament unlike the Quran which contains violent war-driven instructions to CURRENT DAY followers. The Old Testament IS A RECORD of what happened.

  15. Guest says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    It should also be illegal to incite domestic violence: sura 4:34.

  16. Wtf? says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    All great posts here but one issues stands out as a beacon of hope. The Federal government are taking the Muslims on to ensure the ongoing security of Australia. Yes the Muslims will bleat and whine but they will have to wear it. The PUP party has supported the government in passing difficult but necessary legislation, the Greens would have us all in Islamic dress. Tick of approval to Labor for their bipartisan support in this critical time.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 9:53 pm

      Given how loudly the Muslims and their nicely-groomed-for-dhimmitude enablers are squawking, it seems to me that this legislation as it stands must be hitting the spot, and *must* therefore get passed.

      All Islamosavvy Aussie infidels here posting or lurking *must* contact our govt – and specifically our elected reps – and express support for the legislation.

      We could also point out, by the by, that if the Muslims want the offence of “advocating terrorism” to be removed from the legislation, then frankly, this tells us everything we ever needed to know about them – and about the “scriptures” of Islam.

      One could, of course, I suppose, fine-tune the legislation by thinking about a way to re-word it, to be less vague – to be specifically aimed at Muslim incitement-to-jihad/ advocacy of Jihad – so as to be absolutely sure of tripping up all the Down Under equivalents of Anjem Choudhary – or the Hizb ut Tahrir gang bosses. So that any mohammedan who holds up a sign saying something like “Behead those who insult the prophet” will get arrested on a charge of incitement-to-murder.

      • Wtf? says

        Oct 8, 2014 at 10:55 pm

        Already contacting my Liberal member. I think that nothing should be changed and a clear message is sent to these pseudo Australians. Reform your death cult and you won’t find laws being introduced to control it for you.

  17. citycat says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    I saw mainstream muslims nazi salute after 9/11
    They are complicit with the fringe
    Lying to infidels is Kosher for muslims

  18. [FA] says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    Always the Bible argument. Let’s for a second give them the idea that the Bible promotes violence and murder in the same way the Qu’ran does….. wouldn’t that make them both wrong? I sure as hell don’t see how pointing out another wrong makes it perfectly acceptable. Not to mention one must address the question to as why majority Christian nations have laws protecting minorities and majority Muslim nations have laws attacking minorities.

  19. citycat says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 12:11 am

    Who’s denying truth?
    Apologists have denied that islam means to destroy our music, literature, mores, beauty, sacred ways and history,
    means to kill up all and steal our lands and all.
    Islam will not spare the apologists who are full of fear and plastic smiles.
    Fear is our enemy- kill it!

  20. dumbledoresarmy says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 1:38 am

    That last bit right at the end tells me *everything* I need to know about the Ummah or Mohammedan Mob in Australia.

    It exposes their Jew-hatred.

    Quote – “The council identified what it says is a double standard in Muslims wanting to go to Syria and Iraq to provide aid (sic: what kind of “aid”, pray tell? – and if you tell me ‘humanitarian’, sorry, pull the other leg, it plays Waltzing Matilda – dda) having their passports cancelled

    “while ignoring the travel of Zionist Jews wishing to travel to Israel – a state which illegally occupies Palestinian territory with intention of fighting in a war against Gazans and has been accused of war crimes”.”

    If these b*st*rds – the so-called Grand Mufti (who’s an Al Azhar grad, and probably an Ikhwan operative – if ASIO isn’t looking into that possibility, they *should* be; I’d advise a letter on the q.t. to al Sisi to see if he’s got any dirt on ‘Abu Mohammed’) and *150* Australia-resident “imams” – have the *hide* to try to equate those who with their heads full of caliphate World Domination dreams are rushing off to join the Islamic State abd wallow in the Jihad bloodbath in Syria and Iraq, with those Jewish Australians who are making aliyah to the Jews’ ancestral homeland, tiny little eretz Israel, there to try to live in peace whilst fending off the genocidal jihad waged by irredentist Muslim Arab imperialists, then I know *exactly* what to think of the Muslim ‘community’ in Australia. (And when they accuse Israel of “war crimes” and whine about Jihad Armed Camp Gaza, they are talking nonsense and lies, and they damn well know it, I’m sure).

    They’re a mob of nasty lying Jewhaters who admire and are on board with the Islamic State’s genocide of both Jews *and* Christians *and* of anyone else who isn’t a Muslim or is deemed the wrong kind of Muslim; and they are mad as hell because Jews on part of traditional Jewish land have managed to successfully fend off annihilatory jihad for the past sixty years and more.

    These 150 imams – I hope they all signed their names! then ASIO can use it as the basis of a dossier when engaging in further intelligence-gathering – should not be given the time of day.

    This paper they have sent to the government should be tossed into the circular file, and no apologies or explanations should be offered in response; let them get nothing but a deep, dark silence.

    • Wtf? says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 2:06 am

      Muslim=Terrorist.
      This stereotype will continue throughout history. Their dreams of world domination are unraveling due to their impatience and arrogance. Everyday more and more ignorant average people are being empowered with the knowledge of this death cult. The Jews have endured stereotyping for two thousand years,implying closed societies,banking monopolies and arguably the crucifixion. However regardless of these stereotypical aspects they have never to my knowledge sought direct world domination and enforcement of the Torah on all mankind.
      Islam has taken the mantle of the most despised society in the history of mankind and they deserve it.

    • carpediadem says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 8:16 am

      The GM met with Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas in 2012:

      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/australias-grand-mufti-meets-hamas/story-fndo28a5-1226545439343

      And when he mentions the stones speak?:

      “The reliable Hadith… says:
      “The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: ‘Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’”
      http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=427

  21. RICHTHOFEN says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 4:32 am

    Until islam is proscribed as an illegal organisation in every civilised country, the world will never know peace – muslims would either accept that, and integrate, or be free to go and live in a muslim state – they are the two options – get working on that, for God’s sake – time is running out!

  22. Wallace Brand says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    After WWI, the Allied Principal War Powers gained the right, under customary International Law, to determine the ownership of the political rights to Palestine, Syria and Iraq. Palestine was recognized as being the place where the Jewish People had the right to self-determination. At that time Jews were in the minority in all Palestine, even though the Jews had a plurality of the population in the Jerusalem area since 1845 and a majority since 1863. So not wanting to create an antidemocratic government, the Allies put the political rights to Palestine in trust, with the Jews getting the right to settle immediately, and the right to rule after Jews because a majority of the population and had the capability to exercise severeignty. In 1922, 52 countries approved this plan. As of 1948 the Jews became a population majority within the Green Line. In 1967 the Jews became capable of exercising sovereignty in Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. SSRN.com/abstract=2385304

  23. Christine Godinet says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    This is what they have done in America. Demanding even that the word Islamic or Muslim be removed from the FBI files when the word terror is used.
    And Obama is obeying. Not surprising, as he does love appeasing his Muslim brothers and sisters.
    What muslims miss is that the Old Testament of the Bible is of by-gone years, and while it is a historical account of things that happened, (and even an account of some things still to happen), it has been replaced by a Gospel of love and Grace – which forbids such violence.
    Pity the muslims don’t have a gospel of salvation and love to everyone, but as Muhammad declared himself the last prophet, (he even declared himself a Jewish Prophet?), then there is no hope for them in this respect.
    Hope this law does lead to the Koran being unteachable, the world would be a far better place for it, but I think the only way this is going to even remotely happen is when Westerners realize how duped they are and stand up against this sadistic and evil religion.
    This will be harder today than ever though, (civilized nations have been at war against Islam for most of history), as the enemy is within and our leaders are loving them.

  24. Lisa says

    Oct 9, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    “But some scholars have pointed out that the Old Testament is just as violent in its imagery, including Psalm 137 which threatens Babylonians that ‘blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks.’” ”

    Dr Chuck Missler wrote an article on this entitled “Who are the Edomites?” I quote:

    As the Babylonians took Judah into captivity, and angry soldiers wrecked the walls, slew the people, and burned the city, we could have observed their neighboring citizens—the Edomites—encourage the Babylonians to ruin the city: “Raze it! Raze it!” they were calling. “Dash their little children against the stones and wipe out the Jews!”7

    7= 7. Cf. Ps 137:9, echoing this despicable plea.

    Dr Missler continues: “Recognition of this “Everlasting Hatred”—and its embodiment in Islam—is essential to our understanding its eschatological implications, as well as the daily newscasts that dominate our mainline press.”

    The link is here: http://www.khouse.org/articles/2010/920/

  25. Kasey says

    Nov 2, 2014 at 1:46 am

    This item from the www. may be relevant by an anon. writer

    Surely it’s time for the Australian National Islamic Council [ANIC] and other major Islamic organizations here, came to realize that the “100 plus verses” in the Koran [known as the “Medina” verses] which specifically direct all Muslims to avoid, dislike, discriminate against and direct violent attitudes and lethal actions towards all Jews, Christians, other Infidels and Atheists, were eliminated from it and from other Islamic “so-called” holy books, to end, once and for all, the radicalization process which still is an integral part of Islamic indoctrination and gives licence for its youth and converts [both male and female], in so many places around the World. The “ego-identification” factor generated in each and every radicalized person makes them very susceptible to enact urgent violent action when exposed to any situation they see as detrimental to Muslims or Islam itself. That loyalty it seems, always surpasses any national identity and loyalty he/she may hold.

    Following the visit of British Muslim commentator Mr Aftab Malik, for him to claim that we are to blame for the disaffected Islamic youth here, reflects the usual blame-shifting and denial prevalent within many sections of various Muslim communities. He forgets that it is our “knowledge” of those very verses listed above and the tragic effects of their indoctrination, which make us suspicious of so many Muslims and of Islamic ideology.

    The doctrines of Wahhabiism, Salifism, abrogation and taqiyya must also be eliminated surely, if Islam is to have any chance of a successful “Reformation”, and all Islamic hierarchies of the 57 nations of the OIC need to recognize that need and enact such action if Islam is to eventually co-exist peacefully with all others peoples of the World in the 21st Century. Monies from oil rich Saudi Arabia, the real centre of Islam [and that of Wahhabiism as well] now being used World-wide to build mosques in many Western nations, needs some restriction if this invasive trend is to be slowed or halted. While Saudia Arabia remains the key host for Sunni Wahhabi doctrinal export to the World unchecked, elements of it will pervade many new mosques via their imams.

    Additionally, the Sunni-Shi’a divide within Islam itself must be resolved peacefully so Muslims stop killing each other and then all adopt some acceptable democratic processes within their communities instead of being slaves to sharia law and its totalitariian dictates. We certainly don’t need any of that violence here as well!

    Despite all of that, the apparently now changed “Pillars of Islam”, as indicated by the I.S.I.L’s.violently brutal and lethal actions, which now seem to be based [again] on “Conquest, Submission, Conversion, Deportation or Annihilation”, mean, in that order, are applied according to any one victim’s “individual personal circumstances” and I.S.I.L. will prevail and continue to do so, until or unless it is totally destroyed by its opponents. Yet the tacit support in conquered areas of Iraq and Syria by ex-Sunni militia indicate much tacit support for their cause. This short-term solution is just that and the problems within Islam and from Islam will continue until it undergoes a complete and lasting reformation. [or implodes as a result of the Sunni-Shi’a divide]

    Controversial ABC announcer Waleed Aly has claimed in his book “People like us…..” that Islam has already had its ‘reformation’ in the form of Al-Quaeda” and now it needs “a renaissence”. In this statement he is surely way off the mark as to what the aims and benefits of “a reformation” could and should have been. Confusion with the words ” a subversion” may be more apparent here. As for the other term, any re-birth will demand a major caesarian operation for any success. It seems difficult to believe either or both could ever occur considering Islamic indoctrination, its supremicist logic and the resultant “mind-set” established in so many of its faithful. A logic and mind-set so many in the West still need to comprehend and understand.

    Until the nature, intensity, content, duration and compulsion of Islamic indoctrination are radically changed to only that of a tolerant peaceful and purely “religious” form, the violence will persist and have more potential for a major increase World-wide. As for calls to halt Islamic migration to Western nations and particularly here, the trend of “anyhing you can make, we can make cheaper” particularly in Asia, now makes having every able-bodied person in a meaningful job almost impossible. And increasing it so as to support our present ageing population, is plainly ludicrous and just how the ballooning costs of all forms of welfare will be funded in the next generation’s time, is almost unimaginable. The crunch is yet to come here for us with our continually automating, off-shore shifting and dwindling industries. With many now living below the “poverty line” and the gap between rich and poor ever widening, arresting those trends may be almost impossible. So halting both a general population increase and a influx of inappropriate ideologically-minded migrants is a must to avoid the catastrophic consequences a “big” Australia has for future generations.

    The use of the term “Islamophobia” used in regards to the reactions of many Australians to the intrusion of Islam and our attitudes towards it and possibly towards Muslims in general here, is flawed. That term is used by many and their tacit supporters, as a smokescreen to what really happens in the World, and of which they do know happens anywhere that the Islamic faith, be it Sunni or Shi’a, dominates. That is, that the term acts as a screen and diversionary means to hide “Islamoreality” in all its forms. Islamophobia is a deception term one would do well not to fall for. Also, how many Australians have read the LFOA booklet that was prepared for use in Australian schools? That booklet is also a cloak to present only one side of the Islamic story as the telling of other negative side, would destroy any credibility it might have had, if exposed. And everyone including Muslims, should check out the www site jihadwatch.org….although it may seem confronting, it is informative and revealing of happenings and actual facts on the status of women within Islam and all Islamic violence and lethal attacks world-wide, particularly since 9/11.

    While our multi-ethnic and multi-racial migration schemes have been enacted for our overall good and for the refugee migrants themselves since WW2, most beneficial claims attributed to multi-cultural factors, which do have a detrimental effect on many aspects of national unity and which do promote division, are false, devisive and potentially catastrophic. The absence of multi-culturalism is very evident in most Islamic nations where little or no cultural diversity is readily accepted without severe restrictions and other cultural or religious groups are discriminated against, purged or worse. That is done there for preservation of their national identity, unity and maintenence of Islamic supremacy. As for the burka debate in all Western nations, it must be remembered that its use originated in those foreign cultures where it was a safeguard necessity, and its wearing, not a religious directive from the Koran, but has now been hijacked by Islamic fundamentalism and picked up here as a means of assertion of an Islamic presence and identity, via the pretext of “to please Allah”. And with such a false indoctrinated belief, it negates any independent free choice many young Muslim women may have desired, if given the chance. As for any respect for the host nation’s culture and mores, that is sorely lacking.

    So it’s rather natural for most of us to resist any further inroads attempted by those favouring sharia law and associated items, such as FMG, forced marriages and halal certification fees etc., and thus, for all Australians with feelings national pride and respect for human rights on which unity is based to attempt to counter such inroads.

    Signed

    Ibn Wirriq

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