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Canada: Ottawa shooter’s father waged jihad in Libya in 2011; shooter not a recent convert but a longtime Muslim

Oct 23, 2014 10:43 am By Robert Spencer

OttawaPoliceEven while in the process of revealing these facts, the Globe and Mail does its best to divert attention away from them by quoting a friend asserting that Zehaf-Bibeau must be mentally ill, and marshaling evidence to support that claim. This is what we see after every jihad attack and uncovered jihad plot: a rush to find some other motive, and to exonerate Islam from all responsibility. Are authorities going into the mosque Zehaf-Bibeau attended and investigating what is taught there? Or are they too busy reassuring mosque leaders that they will protect them against an “Islamophobic backlash”?

“Suspected killer in Ottawa shootings had a disturbing side,” by Colin Freeze and Les Perreaux, The Globe and Mail, October 22, 2014 (thanks to Axel):

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, the slain 32-year-old suspected killer of a Canadian Forces soldier near Parliament Hill, was a labourer and small-time criminal – a man who had had a religious awakening and seemed to have become mentally unstable.

Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau was born in 1982 and was the son of Bulgasem Zehaf, a Quebec businessman who appears to have fought in 2011 in Libya, and Susan Bibeau, the deputy chairperson of a division of Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board. The two were divorced in 1999.

The military confirmed the death of a soldier shot at the National War Memorial in Ottawa Wednesday. Maj.-Gen. Christopher Coates says Canadian Forces bases across the country are taking “precautions” to assure staff safety.

Ms. Bibeau did not answer e-mails Wednesday, and staff at her offices declined to comment. No one answered the door at her Montreal townhouse. Mr. Zehaf also could not be reached.

Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau grew up in Eastern Canada, including Ottawa and Montreal, and had spent time in Libya before moving to Western Canada to become a miner and labourer, according to friend Dave Bathurst.

Mr. Bathurst said he met Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau in a Burnaby, B.C., mosque about three years ago. He said his friend did not at first appear to have extremist views or inclinations toward violence – but at times exhibited a disturbing side.

“We were having a conversation in a kitchen, and I don’t know how he worded it: He said the devil is after him,” Mr. Bathurst said in an interview. He said his friend frequently talked about the presence of Shaytan in the world – an Arabic term for devils and demons. “I think he must have been mentally ill.”

Yeah, that must be it.

Mr. Bathurst last saw Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau praying in a Vancouver-area mosque six weeks ago. He spoke of wanting to go to the Middle East soon.

“He wanted to go back to Libya and study,” Mr. Bathurst said. He urged his friend to make sure study was on his mind and “not something else.”

Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau insisted he was only going abroad with the intent of learning about Islam and to study Arabic.

Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau was blocked from fulfilling those plans. Sources say he intended to travel abroad, but he had not been able to secure a valid travel document from federal officials, who have been taking measures to prevent Canadians from joining extremists overseas.

His father’s history offers a hint of what Mr. Bathurst was concerned about. In 2011, a Montrealer named “Belgasem Zahef” was quoted in a Washington Times dispatch from the front in Libya, where he had travelled to join the rebel fight. The man described being detained at the Zawiyah oil terminal, where he witnessed torture.

At the Burnaby mosque, Mr. Bathurst said his friend’s “erratic” behaviour – he did not elaborate – caused frictions with the elders at the house of worship, who asked him to stop attending prayers. At that time, Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau was living in a barely furnished single-room apartment.

Mr. Bathurst said he recalls his friend being arrested at the mosque a few years ago after bizarrely calling police to tell them about a crime he had committed many years before.

Vancouver lawyer Brian Anderson defended Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau after he was charged for a 2011 robbery.

“He was charged with robbing somebody and he pled guilty to uttering a threat,” he said. “It was something fairly minor and fairly bizarre.”

Mr. Zehaf-Bibeau underwent a psychiatric assessment at Surrey Pretrial and was “found fit – not certifiable per overnight assessment.”…

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  1. MacUalraig says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 10:47 am

    SSA Vickers, a hero of the Counter Jihad, handling business in Ottawa.

    I vote it’s time to cancel the threat from the totalitarian pedophile lovers for good.

  2. MacUalraig says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 10:48 am

    That should be SAA Vickers, the freedom fighter SAA Vickers.

    His name should be said with respect, and often.

  3. Don McKellar says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I wonder what prompted his parent’s divorce? Koranic wife-beating maybe?

    His mother Susan Bibeau is the deputy chairperson of a division of Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board! WHAT IN THE HELL? Her ex and her son both rabid dog jihadis and she works in Canadian Immigration? Whom else has she let in? How many Islamic supremacist murderers has she let in? This needs to be investigated PRONTO.

    • Jaladhi says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 10:54 am

      And why would she marry a Muslim??? That is the big question!!! All Muslims are jihadis!!

    • Proud Infidel says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 12:12 pm

      Don,
      My thoughts and sentiments EXACTLY, upon reading this info! There are ENTIRELY TOO MANY persons of this ilk in positions of responsibility in our government. (Wonder how many people with western, Judeo-Christian backgrounds and names like Smith, Jones, etc actually sit on these boards?…………… just sayin’)
      Another question that needs asking is HOW MANY immigrants are presently being admitted to Canada from countries like England, Scotland, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, etc. ? (It is a well known fact that if you originate from one of these places, speak fluent English (or French), share our western values, and have a viable trade that ensures you won’t become a welfare-sucking parasite on Canadian society, you are always relegated to the back of the immigration line behind violent, uncivilized savages from third world s__tholes.) The government’s own statistics bear this out. Our country is “importing” people whose values are directly hostile to ours.
      The lowlife coward who killed a fine young Canadian is not a “convert” to islam …………… his parents are both muslims, and he was raised and encultured in a home that despises our Judeo-Christian values. The apple truly does not fall far from the tree. Let’s stop the insulting, apologist rhetoric about these scum being “radicalized” …………. there is nothing new or “radical” about their behaviour…………. muslims have been murdering infidels/kaffirs for over 1400 years…………….. they are instructed in this in their “holy” book…………..

      • Huck Folder says

        Oct 24, 2014 at 12:26 am

        Momzer Zimmo too.

        Meanwhile, connect the (bloodstained) dots:

        “Zehaf-Bibeau was born in Quebec as Michael Joseph Hall and raised in Laval, just north of Montreal. A criminal court database shows 13 identified Quebec court records dates back to June 2001 in Montreal.”

        “…he received a six-month sentence in 2003 and three years’ probation on a WEAPONS CHARGE, according to the Herald News.”

        “His stepfather or adoptive father is a LIBYAN businessman named Bulgasem Zehaf who once owned a local restaurant, Cafe Tripoli.” [Good place to meet and plot jihad.]

        “…friend Dave Bathurst … said his friend [perp] knew Hasibullah Yusufzai, a Vancouver-area resident who was charged in July by the RCMP with travelling to Syria with the intent of joining a deadly terrorist group.” [Not quite ‘lone’?]

        “At the Burnaby mosque,* Mr. Bathurst said his friend’s “erratic” behaviour – he did not elaborate – caused frictions with the elders at the ‘house of worship’, [barracks] who asked him to stop attending prayers.” [Was CSIS informed of any of that?]

        “His father’s history offers a hint of what Mr. Bathurst was concerned about. In 2011, a Montrealer named “Belgasem Zahef” was quoted in a Washington Times dispatch from the front in Libya, where he had travelled to join the rebel fight.” [Ah, jihadadi!]

        * Masjid al-Salaam mosque. They previously hosted notorious antisemites Mohamed Elmasry [“kill all 18 year old Israelis”], Greg Felton [“all Jews are Khazars”], Khurrum Awan [Elmasry’s lawfare sock-puppet] and Derrick O’Keefe [sinislam leftard loser].

        http://gregfelton.com/interviews/2008_08_29_Miracle.pdf

        “UNDERSTANDING AND DEALING WITH ISLAMOPHOBIA
        Canadian Islamic Congress organizes successful conference at Masjid Al-Salam”

        “Members of community packed the room to listen and participate in a discussion on Islamophobia on August 22nd, 2008 . The event was organized by Canadian Islamic Congress (CIC) and conducted by M. Yasin. Several political dignitaries and
        key members of the Muslim community were also in attendance. Dr. Naiyer Habib, a director of CIC Congress opened the conference with his remark that Islamophobia, unjustified [!] fear of Muslims and Islam, is rampant across the western world and
        is on the rise. Its impact is not only on Muslims but also on the entire western world.”

        They omit the quote by Elmasry about “sheep-shaggers” in front of an audience of all ages including small children. Some of the teens seemed to go a little cross-eyed at that statement.

        Currently, they are hosting an imam too hot for Canada’s government, Dr. Zijad Delić:

        “The Burnaby [?] will be celebrating ‘Islamic History Month’ [What on earth for?] by having a lecture on Saturday, October 25th 2014. The key note speakers are below:

        Dr. Imam Zijad Delic will speak on “Canadian Muslim – The History, Present and Future”

        Dr. Redouane Al Fakir# will speak on “Rise of the Modern Scientific Mind”

        # Almost two years ago, Al Fakir created the UBC-based “Muhammad Institute for Space Science”. [How can that be? The mo world is flat!]

        http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-case-of-imam-zijad-delic/

        • Huck Folder says

          Oct 24, 2014 at 12:40 am

          “Neighbours of his family told broadcaster CBC that Michael Zehaf-Bibeau had been “a sweet boy”, and that they were shocked by the news.”

          Don’t you just want to scream? Haven’t you heard that a thousand times before?

          And back to this question: “Where do jihadists/islamists come from?”

          They DON”T come from among the Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus… There are a few, a very few who do anything like what slavish worshippers of mo do. You can almost count them on the fingers of one hand, maximum two hands.

          So every mythical ‘moderate’ mo – in reality every mo – because in reality there is only ONE monolithic, monomaniac, throat cutting cult (Erdogan et al) is the spawn of a potential j/i.

          Christy relativists be damned.

          No islam, no islamists.

      • Stacey says

        Oct 24, 2014 at 8:57 am

        Sadly and too many white people still willing to vote for those that the muhammadans are sponsoring, look at Mississauga ON and see how many Crombie supporters there are and it is easy to see how defensive they are of her and even commanding that other muhammadans vote for her. We all know what that means if she gets in, more mosques, less rights for Christians, less rights for everyone else and eventually we will all be over run by them and more slaughter and, soon there will be areas they will be telling us we cannot go anymore and it could even become like Britian our kidnapped, raped etc….

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 24, 2014 at 7:35 pm

          This has nothing to do with “white people”—Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, being Canadian and Libyan, looked pretty white himself, as did the Chechnyan Tsarnaev brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon, and other Jihadists like the “American Taliban” and “Jihad Jane”.

          We have seen devout Muslims who are white, Middle-eastern, south-east Asian, and black—and they all adhere to the same vile creed.

          In the end, this has *nothing* to do with race, and everything to do with Islam.

      • Florence Chia says

        Oct 24, 2014 at 9:53 pm

        I am an elderly oversea Chinese. I have reached this stage of my life where I have seen so many sufferings many of which is man”s own doing. I really do not understand Westerner”s thinking. Westerners always think that they are kind by letting those so called poor or persecuted muslims into their countries. Don”t the westerners realized that they are being fooled by these muslims? Those so called poor muslims could migrate to rich muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Kuwait, where they can be with their own kind. Even I know that the muslims reasons for migrating to western countries for the sole reason of taking over western countries. I used to admired Caucasians and think they are intelligent. Not anymore. Please stop all these sufferings by persuading your government not to let in muslims. I think the Japanese are clever because they believe in having a homogeneous society. They do not allow foreigners in as you can see they do not have any of your problems!

    • Louise from Canada says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 12:24 pm

      You said exactly what I was thinking. How many did she let in? Scary!
      Again you are right. “This needs to be investigated PRONTO.”

    • Beagle says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 12:26 pm

      Don,

      Yes, but nobody will ask or do anything. In the US it is common for wild-eyed jihadis to get asylum in the US by claiming religious persecution among other absurd things. Their Christian victims are out of luck.

      • K. Khaleel says

        Oct 23, 2014 at 6:37 pm

        This is a hoax. No one died, and no one was injured. The shooting is a fake. Watch the videos carefully. Go slow, use your clicker. You will see that it is all staged.

        That staging is clear and evident in the Parliament shooting scene. See the man in the middle, presumably Vickers, raise his arm up high to signal a halt in the shooting of blanks. There was no fire inside; where is the damage?

        All this blame is wrong. The proof is there for all to see on nodisinfo.com, if anyone would care to look.

        The purpose is Islamophobia, and people are buying it, taking the lie wholesale. Cirillo, the Jewish soldier, is not dead. Bideau, previous name Hall, is also Jewish. Neither of them are dead: period.

        • Frans Groenendijk says

          Oct 23, 2014 at 7:01 pm

          Yes. And all 3000 victims of 9/11 with their entire families live under false names now in small towns after undergoing plastic surgery.
          And his mother must be some kind of Mossad-agent. Deliberately marrying a muslim man.. and.. and .. what about that moonlandings.
          BTW what is all that nonsens about sailing to Indonesia by going to the west when everybody knows it lies in the east?

        • Jen says

          Oct 23, 2014 at 8:28 pm

          “The purpose is Islamophobia”
          ————————————–

          Another comment from another Muz-slime troll.

          These people will tell you ANYTHING to convince you that Muslims are the victims. It’s disgusting.

          First of all, for something to be a “phobia” it must be an irrational fear. This is the true definition of the word. Here is another example of Muzzies using words incorrectly to serve their purpose (along with inappropriately using the words “slander”, “oppression”, and “grievance”).

          A phobia- an irrational fear. Now there has been well in excess of 20,000 terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims since 9/11, in the name of Islam, the false Allah “god,” in the name of jihad- a central element of the Islamic “faith.” This speaks for itself.

          There have been frequent arrests all over the world of Muslims (former “moderate” Muslims apparently) who have attempted to travel to the “Islamic State”- a place being run by extortion, non-Muslims being subjugated, non-Muslim women being forced into sexual slavery and being raped over 30 times in the span of a few hours to the extent of no longer being able to use the bathroom. Muslim women being stoned to death for being accused of adultery (nothing new to Islam there), Christian adults and children alike being strung up on a cross and crucified, people being lined up like animals and shot dead into a dusty pit, people having their heads sliced off, women being stripped naked by Muslim men in front of a crowd and held down while they cut a hole in the neck and drain blood until they lose consciousness and die. The atrocities being committed are ongoing and too many to name.
          These same group of people have vowed to attack their home countries in the West and elsewhere.

          We are living in a world where around 23% of the global population considers themselves Muslim- this figure could be very rough but it’s an indication. These people calling themselves Muslim adhere to a belief system which makes them a slave to Satanic Allah and who view Muhammad, the mass murderer, rapist, thief and pedophile as “the perfect man.” Try “buying” that.

          There are “moderate” Muslims all over the internet, perpetuating bald-faced lies about what their religion teaches to lull uninformed people to sleep. This is cause for concern in itself because it indicates that they are not as horrified as the rest of the non-Muslim world about what is going on. They will tell you ANYTHING to provide distractions from the problems caused by their Muslim counter-parts. They do this without shame.

          No decent human being would even bother, but you see, Muzzies who do this aren’t decent human beings because they lack a fundamental understanding of morality. And apparently, there are a heck of a lot of those types floating around.

          When faced with the facts of Islamic violence today and the history of Islam and how it has always set out to subjugate non-Muslims, how could this “Islamophobic” response be anything BUT a rational response.

          Quit insulting our intelligence with your claims that peoples’ responses are all just “Islamophobic.” As if people who have the decency to care about other peoples’ suffering, including those of Muslim women, are really interested in being “Islamophobic.”

          Absolute garbage. I cannot stand to hear this nonsense any longer.

          If anyone is “phobic” about anything, it’s Muslims themselves. They are utterly phobic of the truth.

          We can make up a new word to counter this BS assertion of Islamophobia, by calling Muslims “Truthaphobic.”

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 24, 2014 at 8:19 pm

          The repulsive “truther” K. Khaleel wrote:

          This is a hoax. No one died, and no one was injured. The shooting is a fake. Watch the videos carefully. Go slow, use your clicker. You will see that it is all staged.
          ………………………………..

          As Frans Groenendijk asks, was 9/11 also “staged”? Are all 3000 victims still alive? Are the Twin Towers still standing? (I saw the smoking hole in the ground with my own eyes on site, but it might have been some sophisticated green screen trick, I suppose…sarc/off)

          And what about the actions of Boko Haram, the Taliban, Al-Shaabab, and the Islamic State—the kidnappings, the stonings, the beheadings?

          What about all 24,184 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11? Were *they* all “staged”, as well?

          The sheer, staggering numbers render this impossible.

          And it is, of course, not just the numbers. The waging of violent Jihad is an intrinsic part of Islam—these recent Jihadists were inspired by the open urgings of Anjem Choudary and the Islamic State, as well as more generally by the texts and tenets of Islam.

          More:

          All this blame is wrong…
          ………………………………..

          Don’t blame Muslims for Jihad terror. If you do, you might actually take some steps to defending against JIhad.

          And good Muslims like K. Khaleel don’t want that…

          More:

          The purpose is Islamophobia, and people are buying it, taking the lie wholesale. Cirillo, the Jewish soldier, is not dead. Bideau, previous name Hall, is also Jewish. Neither of them are dead: period.
          ………………………………..

          Of course—Cirillo and Zehaf are both “Jewish” names. sarc/off

          How does K. Khaleel explain this Jihadist’s Libyan Muslim father, who was off in Libya waging violent Jihad in 2011?

          I suppose he’s a “Jew” as well.

          Those “Jews” must be spread pretty thin by now, waging violent Jihad in western China, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Russia, in Iraq, in the Islamic State, in Syria, in Yemen, in Somalia, in Kenya, in Sudan, in Nigeria, across Europe and Britain and Australia and the US and Canada…

          That handful of Jews in the world are being kept mighty busy waging violent Jihad all over the world in order to “make Islam look bad”…sarc/off

          This just shows the irrationality and virulent antisemitism of a pious Muslim like K. Khaleel—as well as his contempt for the intelligence of good Infidels like ourselves, believing that we will swallow this crap.

        • NamVet says

          Oct 25, 2014 at 12:43 pm

          Take your taqiyya elsewhere–no one here is buying it!

    • Eric says

      Oct 24, 2014 at 11:55 am

      AGREE, why is that women there…ok she divorced him, but how many did she let in that should not be here?

  4. Jaladhi says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Oh the lies our media some times come out. He was a recent convert, he was a common criminal, etc, etc, – has nothing to do with this “peaceful Islam and peace loving Muslims” – all in the imagination of our leaders and media. These guys are so deceitful that one can’t imagine!!

  5. jihad3tracker says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 10:53 am

    The pathology of Islamic Qur’anic commandment or justification for subjugation and violence DOES put it into the “mental illness” category, but that, of course, is not directly faced by excusers who inevitably surface.

  6. Don McKellar says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 11:00 am

    (from the post, re: the authorities) Or are they too busy reassuring mosque leaders that they will protect them against an “Islamophobic backlash”?

    Justin Trudeau, Liberal Party leader, has already taken up that job. Here is an excerpt to the form email he’s sending out to all subscribers to the website:

    “To our friends and fellow citizens in the Muslim community, Canadians know acts such as these committed in the name of Islam are an aberration of your faith. Continued mutual cooperation and respect will help prevent the influence of distorted ideological propaganda posing as religion. We will walk forward together, not apart. ”

    That retard sounds just like the others out there, lying like nothing else and/or hopelessly willfully ignorant on Islam and its texts and tennants!

    I am pretty certain that we will see nothing like this from PM Harper, the current leader of the free world.

    • umbra says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 11:39 am

      Trudeau voter base has just contracted by one (two counting the other from two days ago). He is simply working hard to make sure that his flock is not depleted any further before the next election.

    • Dave says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 11:39 am

      He makes Obama look like Abraham Lincoln. His nickname on the net from his non-fans is “Shiny Pony”.

  7. Think of England says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 11:19 am

    This guy’s father was Muslim; was he in fact a convert?

  8. Frans Groenendijk says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 11:22 am

    In a way the friend is right: “He must be mentally ill”. To be attracted by the ISIS-ideology, you must be, indeed.
    Could we at least note that muhammedanism again and again turns out to be very attractive to this specific kind of mental illness.

    BTW: I just bought this (e-)book: http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Internment-Racial-Profiling-Terror-ebook/dp/B00AXS5EEQ
    I think more people should buy and read it.

    • steakman says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 11:42 am

      danke je well for the link..!!

      from a Groenevelt…

    • Tom Davis says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 11:57 am

      I have little doubt that if you took a large room, placed tables all around with the proselytizers of all religions, then allowed 100 people with mental illness into the room, more than 90 of them would end up at the Islam table.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm

      Re the magnetic attraction that Islam seems to have for the psychically marginal, see two articles by the inimitable “Hugh Fitzgerald”, who used to post at jihadwatch a lot some years ago, and now hangs out at the equally helpful site, New English Review.

      This one:

      http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/39585/Fitzgerald-Anything-To-Do-With-Terrorism-Anything-To-Do-With-Islam

      Fitzgerald: Anything To Do With Terrorism? Anything To Do With Islam?

      and this one:

      http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/57018

      Why Is Islam So Attractive To Criminals And Homicidal Maniacs?

      and this one:

  9. RichardL says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Yes, the media in Germany are also trying that tired old line. But by now very few people believe that stuff. And people are getting angry at those who lie to protect the Religion of Pieces. I predict landslide elections all over Europe in the next five years. It is late but not too late. Unless one lives in England or Marseille…

    • Frans Groenendijk says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 11:39 am

      I agree with RichardL: It is late but not too late.
      But the probability grows that things will grow very very ugly.
      Many innocents will die too, I am afraid.

  10. Dave J says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 11:49 am

    It is logical that a Religion of Hate would be attractive to both the mentally unstable and the criminally inclined.

    Also, violent attacks are far too common for them to be called “aberrations”, the true aberrations are Muslims who are, and remain, peaceful, tolerant and more committed to peace than to Allah (may his name go down in infamy).

  11. Patti York says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Well this blows that “lone wolf” nonsense right out of the water.

  12. gravenimage says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Canada: Ottawa shooter’s father waged jihad in Libya in 2011; shooter not a recent convert but a longtime Muslim
    ……………………………….

    Ever since I saw that his hyphenated surname included “Zehaf” I wondered if he actually already had a Muslim background.

    Form the dates, it sounds as though Jihadi daddy was in the home until this creep was 17—plenty of time to breed a Jihadist if the subject is inclined to welcome it.

    And he was attending Mosque for at least the last three years.

    It looks as though he didn’t convert to Islam recently—just recommited to it.

  13. David says

    Oct 23, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    I believe that islam is a cult of fear. Each adherent is steeped in fear of Al. If one does not perform the prescribed aberrations to please Al found in their book of death, he will not go to heaven, get his 72 crystal clear raisins, or whatever, and roast in eternal hell. Many of us will do our best to help him get there. However, he performs his vile acts out of fear which by now, after 1400 years, has become cultural mindset verging on psychosis.
    On the other hand, a lot of people do leave islam but live their lives in fear of being hunted down and killed, often from a rabid family member of two or three. We hear of this from one source or another. Many more probably want to leave, and would do so but for the fact that they will be killed. So they too, live in the fear of being judged as not being muslim enough.
    So, I believe that islam is a death cult of fear, and it beats me why our western leaders are so hell-bent on protecting them with a veil of lies and deceit. What are they living in fear of?

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 10:31 pm

      That’s a key point you make, about fear.

      Fear – terror – is at the core of Islam.

      This bloke has an interesting “take” on the subject.

      
http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/

      Why Islam is different

      “Would you wear a T-shirt with a Mohammad cartoon printed on it?

      “You might in Montana. Don’t try it in Mecca.

      “Why?

      “**Because, Islam trains a small number of its most devout believers it’s OK to kill. And Islamic killers have been trained to kill anyone who insults Allah and/or Mohammad.** {my emphasis – dda}.”…

      “Each generation’s most devout believers train a small percentage of the next generation’s most devout believers that it is OK to commit violence in the name of Islam.

      “This becomes an endless cycle because, part of this training includes instructions to kill anyone who tries to modify or stop the teaching of this violence.

      “The Fear

      “Because
      (1) these potential killers are trained everywhere within Islam and evenly distributed throughout the greater Islamic population (ummah) and
      (2) because they cannot be easily identified,
      it means any devout believer anywhere could be the next killer.

      “Every Muslim is aware of this potential threat (fear) from these most devout believers.

      “As a result all Muslims suffer from the same fear that drives the system…”.

      Ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish basically describes the same thing, in her book about Sharia, “Cruel and Usual Punishment”, when she talks about the people whom she calls “allah’s enforcers”…the self-imposed sharia vigilantes who “police” the Ummah.

      The French writer, Renan, saw this long ago:

      “…Many times I have observed in my travels in the Orient, that fanaticism [and he means Muslim fanaticism – dda] comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain the others in the practice of the religion by terror…”.

      And now that Muslims have infiltrated and established themselves “behind the lines” in most majority-non-Muslim societies worldwide, it is perfectly possible that – *exactly* as with the Mafia or yakuza or other organised crime bodies – methods such as blackmail, bribery-and-corruption and straightout threats (besides the carrot-and-stick of the Muslim bloc vote or “vote bank” now massed in key electorates within democracies such as India, the UK or Australia) are being deployed against our politicians – and media, and academics, and judiciary, and law enforcement. Certain parts of the Muslim Mob, thanks to oil money, are far, far richer than any ordinary Infidel organised-crime-boss could ever dream of being; rich enough to afford 1/ any amount of bribery and 2/ the best assassins money can buy, to use as threats, if bribery does not work.

      Awhile ago, here at jihadwatch, another poster – a New Zealander – related an exchange between himself and ex-Muslim Patrick Sookhdeo. Sookhdeo was visiting New Zealand to do some educating-and-warning, at the time of the Muslim murder of British soldier Lee Rigby.

      Here’s the thread

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/edls-tommy-robinson-warns-bill-oreilly-about-islamization-in-england.html

      And here’s the comment:

      Liam1304 | June 7, 2013 5:08 PM | Reply

      “I had the privilege of personally asking Patrick Sookhdeo on his New Zealand tour why Cameron et al spout nonsense about Islam after Lee Rigby’s murder.

      “I expected him to discuss their genuine belief in moderate Islam, the constraints of plicitally [politically] correct thinking, external pressures from the UN or OIC…

      “But all he said was one word: “FEAR”.”

      • Jen says

        Oct 24, 2014 at 12:29 am

        I’d say that the reason why there is a “small percentage” of Muslims doing this in a violent manner is largely to do with the fact that most Muslims wouldn’t want to give up their lives to go around rampantly pursuing jihad. Such an activity requires a lot of “courage” and “faith” so to speak. It’s in line with human nature to fear death and to preserve your life at any cost.

        The remainder of moderate Muslims are capable of pursuing jihad in more subtle ways which don’t involve risking their lives but help to push the Islamic agenda forward.

        These subtle forms of jihad include insisting that food being sold in their host country is “halal,” kicking up a huge fuss at a hotel reception because they found a Bible sitting in their hotel room, demanding that people who are singing a children’s song about Peppa Pig on a bus be removed due to being “offended” because it contains pigs, attending a protest against someone who criticised Muhammad, posting information on internet forums such as Jihad Watch or Youtube to counter criticism about Islam, in spite of this information being misleading, irrelevant or a half-truth, producing dawah videos and flyers and handing them out, telling potential converts that it is “the religion of peace” and obscuring the violent aspects of Islam to initially attract their interest, setting up websites about Christianity which result in people being mislead as to what Christianity actually teaches, trying to Islamize schools so children have to teach themselves for options other than Islam and so forth and so forth and so forth.

        It’s a mixture of fear as well as a genuine belief and desire to spread Islam by whatever means necessary. Not everyone is capable of embarking on violent jihad but almost everyone is capable of providing support in any number of ways. The percentage is therefore not really a “small percentage” when you look at that way. There are the truly committed that are willing to die for the cause and there are those in the background silently condoning the behaviour and doing what little they can. But collectively, all of them in these categories still pose a problem because they still help the Islamic agenda to be pushed forward.

  14. Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999 says

    Oct 24, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    No, the shooter was not “mentally ill”. Like father, like son. It looks like his father is one of those Libyan jihadis whom The Insane McCain had gushingly called “his heroes”. The Insane McCain was so overjoyed by the video of the horrid abuse and murder of Ghaddafi, that he immediatelly channelled his euphoria into his pathological Russia-hating. Live on BBC, he engaged in wishful fantasies, saying he hopes Putin has watched the video and got scared. Not content with that, he personally sent Putin a tweet that read: “Vlad, the Arab Spring is on your doorstep ! You will suffer the fate of Ghaddafi !”. The next thing you know, it is the US Amb. Christopher Stevens who suffered the fate of Ghaddafi. The Insane McCain’s “heroes”, whom Stevens also enthusiastically aided, had raped, sodomized and murdered Stevens and 3 other Americans. Now, if Putin sank to McCain’s level, he would have sent him a gleeful tweet saying something like: “Well, are you happy with the Arab Spring? Are you happy with your heroes?”. But Putin is a gentleman, contrary to all the obsessive demonization of him by the US media and other elites. And McCain is not. Now, I don’t know if The Insane McCain is clinically mentally ill, but he is crazier than crazy, that is for sure. And the Republican primary voters nominated him over the true hero Rudy Giuliani in 2008 ! This is when I gave up on the American democracy and stopped voting for good. That finally convinced me that neither Republican nor Democrat American electorates are capable of choosing the right man for the Presidency.

    Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

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