Heartening to hear of the singular exception to regional genocides.
RHHHsays
May the Holy One of Israel bless this man, and shine his light into the darkness that is covering the earth in this generation … having failed to love the truth … not realizing the prophets wrote aboat this generation … revealing “the end from the beginning” over 2700 years ago, Isaiah was told,
Isaiah 46,
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
This generation will see how it all turns out (hint) Christ wins.
Bro. Nicksays
AMEN! – For “the truth” written in “the word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible is eternal:
(20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
(21) The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
(Rev 22:20-21 [KJV])
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Don McKellarsays
Likely this priest is now on a hit list somewhere…
Richiesays
Isnt it odd how people who point out that Islam is violent are usually threatened with violence.
Georgsays
Well, no.
Kennysays
Indeed! The strange paradox of “If you don’t stop calling us violent, we’ll kill you”.
Perhaps Reza Aslan may wish to explain and help us understand this one? That is, if he’s not too busy pulling silly faces and issuing playground insults.
Wolfgangsays
Not possible……Reza is playing dumb and dumber
Bro. Nick Nicholassays
Thanks be unto “THE ONLY WISE GOD” that caused a statement of Biblical truth to be made in the unholy ‘United Nations’ – who consistently and most often are against against the JEWISH people – and an undevided JERUSALEM, the eternal and present Capital City of ISRAEL – and ISRAEL.
May those few that are truly believers and followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – CHRISTians – most sincerely, often, effectively and fervently:
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.”
(Psalm 122:6 [KJV])
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deja vusays
Amen to that!
It is high time that the slumbering world woke up to the reality of widespread Christian persecution in all Islamic nations, both overtly and covertly.
Open Doors has an informative report on today’s level of persecution. It is unprecedented and is rising every day. Christians are troubled by this but not surprised – Jesus warned His followers that it would happen as a sign of His imminent return.
Don’t you people understand that criticising Islam makes you a RACIST and an ISLAMOPHOBE?!
Other than being a racist, hater or an Islamophobe, there is NO OTHER conceivable reason for saying anything bad about Islam or Muslims!!
Wolfgangsays
Christians mostly are not concerned……….in my experience far too many are into the prosperity gospel.
deja vusays
Properity gospel types will not even be aware of the persecution of their brothers and sisters in Christ. Such information will be considered ‘too negative’ for their congregations which are being fed ‘milk suitable for infants’, not meat for mature adults.
Nonetheless, there are many churches that do know and care, and are not only supporting the various agencies advocating for the suffering church, and meeting their needs, but praying for them as well. This Sunday, for example, has been designated the International Day of Prayer for the persecuted church and we will be joining with 500,000 churches in 150 countries to pray.
In God’s providence I believe that, with the rise of ISIS, the world at large is having to face the truth at long last. And this is helping spread awareness among those who were previously indifferent or in denial.
Bro. Nicksays
@ Wolfgang – How true – For there is now a massive ‘spiritual deception, delusion and a falling away from truth’ as there is an ever increasingly rapid number of Apostate and Heretical teachings – which is being led by ‘the pope’ and Roman Catholicism of ‘Apostate Ecumenical-Interfaith Christendom’ – which certainly includes ‘ChriSlam’.
– There are an ever increasing number of “hirelings” – men and women that are ‘wolves in sheeps clothing’, the “false teachers”, and the “false prophets” in these ‘end-of-the-end times’ PRIOR to the ‘Rapture’ of “the church” – those who are truly CHRISTians – followed some time after by “that day”, “the day of the Lord”, “the day of the LORD’S wrath”, “the time of Jacob’s trouble”, the “great tribulation”!
The absolute truth and reality of “the words of the LORD” should be very clear about the fundamental followers of ‘the Prophet’ Mohammed, Buddahism, Hinduism, etc… :
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
(Gen 6:5 [KJV])
“The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.”
(Ps 12:8 [KJV])
Me thinks that the whole world is becoming exponentially more rapidly ‘as it was in the days of Noah and of Lot’ – AND Righteous Judgment by “the LORD JEHOVAH” will come:
“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”
(Luke 17:26-29 [KJV])
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Wolfgangsays
@Bro.nick
I agree with you 100 %. I believe that so few believers care what happens outside of their little world, my wife and I have been strongly with Open doors for decades, we were involved with smuggling bible’s, medicines tracts into Russia, China, the number of Churches that wanted to hear our testimony and what we went through out numbered the ones who were eager to hear. I read Pastor Richard Wurmbrand for years, it drove me crazy with people who want to bury their head in the sand, in some ways its worse today among mainstream churches, today its all about the ” selfie ” ( ie self ,self, self ,selfish me, me, me ) and the prosperity Gospel as taught by so many money hungry big name preachers, I steer well away from them, we have Cre-flow dollor ! ( name says it all ! ) disgusting man ! has a fleet of Rolls Royces and lives in a 20 room mansion with private jet , the church itself is in big trouble, very little preaching from Gods holy word passage by passage, very, very difficult to find a bible believing fundamentalist Church that will stand like a rock on the hole scripture. God is not mocked for sure…….so many ” Christians ” are on their way to hell, they say Sodomy is good ” and “Godly “. I see today the CEO of Apple has ” come out ” saying he is proud to be Gay and that being Gay is the biggest blessing from God, my wife and I weep for the Church and society, no wonder Islam hates us and see’s the West as weak, the West has almost forgotten its true Heritage, that heritage is the Gospel of JESUS Christ, its the bedrock of all Western civilization and government, take that founding stone away and the West will not stand.
Many many millions of men and women around the world are standing with me and we [ believers have already won] .
Take care and God Bless you
Mosays
@ Christy
“Oh why don’t you cut the crap. You don’t actually care about suffering Christians. No, you only “care” when you can use it as a pretext for attacking Muslims.”
LOL! Can you show me where anyone’s attacking Muslims.
Looks like you’ve got things upside and backwards. Muslims are the ones attacking Christians.
You know, in obedience to their texts and their warlord, child rapist prophet? Anything to say on that? You know you won’t answer.
Be gone, troll.
Western Canadiansays
Crap?? The only crap around here is that which you insist on posting. Even though it shows you to be a weak minded, hate mongering loon.
He will never be allowed in the UN again. He somehow avoided the UN requirement that everyone who participates in UN functions is completely and totally antisemitic. That is why Obama speaks there so often.
Ha Ha
Anyone NOT know the powers that be (as Israel Prime minister said, Mr Sharon)
don’t worry about the USA, we control the USA!
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Is not the USA being transferred into a Luciferic nation? GOT GAY? Got your rainbow? The new age is a lie, it’s the return of the golden age of the pharaohs, the kings, the Caesars ! Hail Hitler ! Hail Lucifer ! The demons are back !
Enough said! Yes, the Zionist are working over time to destroy the Christians, world wide! That’s just the facts ! It is what it is!
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rick miracle the truth seeker
John C. Barilesays
You, sir, are a crank–and your power of reason is quite impaired.
Wolfgangsays
never fear us Germans will sort him out….
Bro. Nicksays
@ Rick Miracle – You know not what you say when you accuse ‘the Zionist are working over time to destroy the Christians, world wide!’
I am a Christian Zionist (a supporter of Israel) – and neither I, nor other Biblical CHRISTian Zionists are out to destroy our faith!
The Biblical truth is that there are always only “the few” – “the remnant” – the truly “converted” – “born again” true believers and followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – Biblical CHRISTians – that have “an heart to perceive”, “ears to hear”, and “eyes to see” “the truth” of “the word of the LORD” – and that are aware of the incredible dangers of ‘spiritual deception, delusion and a falling away from the truth’ that we are living in these ‘end-of-the-end times’:
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
(1 Peter 5:8 [KJV])
Biblical CHRISTians will joyously do the will of our “Lord Jesus Christ” – which is to:
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.”
(Psalm 122:6 [KJV])
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
(Genesis 12:1-3 [KJV])
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Robsays
Well done that man!
UnEasyOnesays
Egypt and Lebanon used to be christian countries. Egypt is now 10% christian and Lebanon is a bombed out muslim hellhole. This is the protection “people of the book” can expect from the followers of Mohammed – and it’s result.
Islamisdeathsays
And you do? “Christy” the muslim troll returns
Jensays
This troll calling itself “Christy” belongs to the Religion of Death.
Jensays
Even though “Christy” apparently knows better than you do, Islamsideath, this doesn’t stop her bleeding heart from caring about persecuted Christians by “raising awareness” of Christian “radicalism” which is just suchhhhh a widespread and global disaster that it can even be put near a blog which shows continuously how the adherents of the Religion of Death are slaughtering Christians in their thousands.
Mosays
@ Christy
“You are an idiot who has never even set foot in either Egypt or Lebanon. You have NO room to comment on either country.”
Be gone, troll.
Western Canadiansays
I have never heard ANYONE, but ANYONE ever use this week ‘you have no right to comment’ drivel, who themselves have ANY, repeat ANY legitimate information on what ever subject they are trying to end debate over. And here we get another example of proof of that observation.
Bro. Nicksays
@ UnEasyOne – Not only Egypt and Lebanon – but the Martyrdom and great Persecution of Christians and Jews by the fundamental followers of ‘the Prophet’ Mohammed in North Africa and the Mid-east
– with the exception of ISRAEL.
A couple of very interesting websites that give verifiable documentation of the inhumane actions by many of the fundamental followers of Mohammedanism –
For those few that are truly Biblical CHRISTians – we need to always remember “the truth” of “the word of the LORD” that:
(19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
(20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
(21) But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
(John 15:19-21 [KJV])
(12) Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
(13) But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
(2 Tim 3:12-13 [KJV])
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Ajssays
So would you please explain how Lebanon went from 90% Christian to less than 5% Christian in only 30-35 Years?
Berqsays
Why all over the world christians love Israel,because apostle paul says in the book of Romans that I speak the truth in Christ-I am not lying,my conscience confirms.It in the holy spirit-I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.For I could wish that I myself,were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,those of my own race,the people of Israel.God says about Israel in the book of Zechariah,For who ever touches you touches the apple of his eye.And the Lord promises to Bless Jerusalem.Muslims claim for Jerusalem is false.
annieoakleysays
Christy,
Give it up. You cannot convince a one-celled microbe that the religion-of-pieces-of -women-children is anything to be exalted or even faintly praised.
Jensays
@zaaphod
Yes, but what we should be talking about is what is relevant *today.* None of these other matters are important in light of Islam. Islam is the problem and the threat we need to focus on. Not any historical event or church or other religion.
These are ploys by Muslims to behave as though their “religion” even deserves the faintest of praise. None of it changes anything to do with Islam and the problem it is causing today. It’s not going to re-write the Qur’an and take Muhammad down as “Prophet” is it?
The only thing these conversations do is expose the way Muslims think. Which is helpful in some ways.
Jensays
They need to be crushed like bugs, rather than debated with as though they actually *are* on our level. They’re not. Their “religious” beliefs are absolutely abhorrent.
Once we break through the barriers and manage to educate people, we will no longer need to debate with them.
We will simply say: Islam is evil. This is why. Piss off with all your other distractions. People are dying. We don’t want to hear it.
Jay Boosays
Nice segue away from Muslim crimes against Christians into “most Christians” blah blah after lecturing everyone else about generalizing about Muslims.
Also note: Christy said above,
“Myth No. 2: It’s all about Islam
A disproportionate share of anti-Christian persecution is, indeed, fueled by radical Islam.”
Radical Islam as opposed to moderate Islam in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan where Christianity is thriving unhindered?
The truly sad irony is that Islam and Muhammad are blasphemy of the worst sort.
Jensays
“Radical Islam as opposed to moderate Islam in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan where Christianity is thriving unhindered?”
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LOL. Yes, the very “moderate” Saudi Arabia where women need an appointed male guardian to use the toilet.
You could almost write an entire book entitled ‘Excuses for the Moderate Muslim’ after reading these comments. I think it would sell like wildfire if you made it in Kindle format.
Wolfgangsays
@Christy ….well done ! general sweeping statements !……….lol I know so little about Christian history ?, unlike you I have been involved and worked in ME countries through Open Doors, where have YOU been ?, you quote the Lebanese ……..
Here is quote from Tim Priest a former NSW Police senior Detective…..
(This post is former Sydney police detective Tim Priest’s article “The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia” from The Mackenzie Institute’s WWW site. Lebanese-Christians have been immigrating to Australia for a very long time now and they have assimilated extremely well into Australian society. Present governor of the State of NSW is a distinguished Lebanese-Christian woman. The trouble in Sydney with vicious middle-eastern criminal-gangs only started back when the Hawke-Keating Labor Government let the Lebanese-Muslims – many of them really are displaced Palestinians – from Lebanon’s Hezbollah-controlled Bekkah Valley come into Australia about 30-40 years ago.)
It was not the Lebanese Christians in crime gangs , but the Muslims.
I can vouch for this from LE experience, look up ” Brother’s for life ” biker gang ( all Muslim mostly Lebanese )
Also Bilal Skaf and his merry Muslim gang of scum, kidnapping and gang raping Aussie girls because they were ” meat ” .
I can go on with dozens of more links and articles but why bother ? you have a issue with Christians don’t you ? ……….
Wolfgangsays
@Christy
Islam is a murderous death cult started by raging pedophile, war lord, pervert, psychopathic killer, worshiper of the demonic , you of course know this and yet you have the gall to write what you do no doubt from the safety of a western country, if Islam is your solution then why don’t you go live there permanently ? but of course you won’t do that will you ?
Your mindset ” Christy ” is disturbing along with your warped juvenile views. You can only resort to personal attacks rather than intelligent thought……typical Muslim troll
Bro. Nicksays
@ Christy – You talk about the sins of fallen men – NOT ABOUT what “the word of the LORD” says.
I am a Biblical CHRISTian – and my support of ISRAEL is based upon what “the Word of God” tells me as a true believer and follower of
“the Lord Jesus Christ” that I am commanded to do!
– not upon what fallen men do or say – past – OR present – OR future.
By The Grace of “the Lord God Almighty” I will personally continue to obey the commands in “the word of God” – to willingly and joyfully support ISRAEL,the JEWISH people, and an un-divided JERUSALEM “the apple of His eye”.
I and many other Biblical CHRISTians will continue to:
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.”
(Psalm 122:6 [KJV])
– AND to believe “the truth” of the eternal everlasting promise written about ISRAEL in “the word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible:
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
(Genesis 12:1-3 [KJV])
(3) And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
(4) And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.
(Gen 48:3-4 [KJV])
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deja vusays
The evidence that Christians are severely persecuted by Islamic clerics and regimes does not mean that they are not persecuted by Communists, Hindu nationalists, or Buddhists. Neither does it mean that there is no opposition from Catholics in South America and elsewhere towards Protestant evangelicals. There is.
I am not sure what you mean by ‘Christian radicalism’, though as this is a cut-and-paste job, perhaps the question should be addressed to its author.
However, the topic of this thread is the stand made by an Orthodox priest from Nazareth regarding Muslim persecution in the Middle East – and does not occur sporadically (as it does in other countries) but continually and increasingly, either overtly or covertly, in all Islamic nations without exception.
deja vusays
Methinks the lady protests too much.
I work for the persecuted church throughout the world and devote much of my time to it. Do you?
I also try stick to the topic without making unwarranted assumptions about other contributors, or bandy about ad hominems.
As for caring about Muslims, the persecution of Christians is bringing unprecedented numbers of Muslims to a saving faith in Jesus Christ, and freeing them from the heavy yoke of Islam.
How much do YOU care about Muslims?
LeavingChristysays
You need to get a life, Christy, one that stops defending a false ideology as if it’s legitimate …if you really did your homework, you would know that The Kaaba at Mecca used to be a hole where idols were tossed, and Muhammad wanted to create his own religion since the Jews rejected his weirdness. Anyway, he started going thru his junk pile at the Kaaba and chose the moon god (he probably thought the crescent looked really neat that was on the idol’s chest)
So the moon god is allah!! Only an idol, not the true God of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob
Homersays
Where were you when Christian Marxists killed Hindu activists and oppressed animistic tribals in Orissa? Apparently, you only noticed when those tribals – who in other circumstances are never called ‘Hindus’ by people like you – started to retaliate. Same goes for India’s North-East, where large-scale ethnic cleansing of Hindus and animists by Christians – again often Marxists – has been going on for a long time without anybody noticing.
And on a much larger scale the same goes for Hindu – Muslim violence, like for example the 2003 Gujarat riots: only when Hindus stop behaving like willing victims of genocide the world takes notice, spreads lies, and blames the Hindus.
Straw man. Nobody here is saying that the only persecutors of Christians are Muslims. Christy is trying to deflect from the human rights catastrophe Muslims are causing by their outrageously fanatical and violent persecution of Christians in several countries. In addition to this straw man, Christy asserts (without a shred of evidence) that there exists an abundance of Christian-Muslim Kumbaya harmony — and even if this red herring were true, it does nothing to minimize the aforementioned human rights catastrophe. (As for Christy’s canard that “Muslims kill Muslims” — all that tends to demonstrate is the pathology in Islamic culture; we already know that Muslims suffer at the hands of other Muslims — that’s part of the disease of internecine fanaticism with which Islam is rife, and which explains why Muslims are pestering and persecuting and pillaging non-Muslims from the Pacific to the Atlantic.)
deja vusays
Homer: Where were you when Christian Marxists killed Hindu activists and oppressed animistic tribals in Orissa?
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A ‘Christian Marxist’ is an oxymoron. Your argument stops right there. It is impossible to be both a Marxist and a Christian.
As Jesus taught in Matthew 6:24, “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.”
So who is it to be for ‘Christian marxists’ – Jesus Christ or the atheist Communist Karl Marx?
Jensays
YES, the truth being spoken! Praise be to God 😉 (not Allah).
Israel is the only country that wants to be civilized, unlike the surrounding Islamic hell holes.
Do these brainless Muslims defending Islam on JW ever wonder why countries run by their own coreligionists are disasters? Probably not. All part of the illogical Muslim logic which plagues the adherents of the Religion of Death.
Jensays
My ancestry.
Oh oh oh….And my, my, my BRAIN?! Maybe my eyes as well….Or my ears??!!!
Jensays
Christy.
My family have been victims of Islamic violence on both sides. One more recently, the other in history.
Your coreligionists act like dogs. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Which is why our area is filled with troops who constantly have to monitor Muslims (what a waste of money) and stop them from kidnapping people at their whim.
You are so ghastly that I cannot even be bothered to take you seriously. You’re just another Muslim, another Islam defender, who masquerades as a “decent” human being.
Everyone here can see what you are through your comments. It’s not about hysterics. You’re just scum. Plain and simple.
Jensays
Bohoo “Christy.” Back to this again, are we.
Don’t even care what you have to say, to be honest. I come across comments like yours, almost on a daily basis while reading about Islam. There’s always some Islam defender somewhere.
All I want is for your “religion” to die so I can safely visit my family in peace. I imagine, almost everyone who suffers because of Islam firsthand would say the same.
We don’t give a sh*t about your excuses or distractions. Drop your horrible “religion” and then we can start looking at you all like you’re sane human beings.
Western Canadiansays
Again the muslima troll calling herself Christy, makes an ass out of herself….. you must admit, she is VERY good at it, probably due to endless and intense practice.
The Crusades? When the west fought back against an unprovoked and criminal attack and occupation of Christians. Complete with the usual islmaic love of rape, butchery, theft, sadism, child kidnapping and rape, mass murder etc. Yes, you are right!! How DARE anyone oppose muslims leading a propery Islamic life!!
Inquisition?? You obviously know nothing about the inquisition, or you would not be fool and ass enough to mention them…. Applied only to RC’s, strict limits on who, what, when and why, fewer deaths over several centuries than one day in New York, on a September 11th a number of years ago. Again, this troll demonstrates the maxim that only extremely ignorant and hate filled people endlessly involve themselves in trolling.
Marksays
The reason(s) Christians are not being singled out in the occupied areas is because they have already been jailed for reading the gospel in public. Sure the occupiers of Palestine may not outright chop heads off. But rest assured that an ethnic cleansing happens daily against the oldest Christian (Palestinian) sects in the world.
The invaders that call themselves IsRaEl will run a Christian out of their homes, burn their gardens and bulldoze/shoot any who protest.
The going jail term is 5 years in prison for preaching the gospel in occupied Palestine.
MOHsays
Bullshit. Can you give an actual example? I doubt it.
Kephasays
@deja vu, Christy, Berq and others:
I do not have to be told about non-Islamic persecution of Christians. I’ve lived in the Far East as both a private citizen and an American diplomat, and even wrote some of the cables (under my real name) about persecution of Christians in China back in the 1990’s. I’m even aware of how militant Bamar Buddhists treat their Christian Kachin and Karen minorities.
As for a “narrow segment of American Protestants”, I don’t have to be a Dispensational premil to be pro-Israel. Indeed, as an adherent of the older confessional Reformed orthodoxy, I hold that the Chosen of God are gathered about the Messiah, not some piece of ground in the ME (and since Paul has been brought up, these elect folk are from both the Jews and Gentiles, which is Paul’s way of saying “from all humanity”). Further, I emphatically believe that the Gospel is about the grace of Christ, not the race of Christ. But like the Rev. Gabriel, I see that Israel has a much better track record in its treatment of minorities than any other country in the region, respects the liberties of its citizens of all origins, and I feel compelled to respect that.
Rev. Gabriel confesses the Jewish origins of the Messiah and the Christian faith in his speech; and holds that Jewish and Christian destinies are intertwined. As for his part of the world, he is clearly correct. I pray that the Lord will protect and prosper his efforts to place the persecution of the world’s oldest Christian communities on the diplomatic agenda.
Nor are we using the persecution of Christians to attack Muslims as individuals, even if we see the clear contribution of Islamic theology and doctrine to such persecution. I, for one, absolutely refuse to join with those who would outlaw the Kosher or Halal slaughter of animals, since I see these as covered under America’s First Amendment–although I also see that Messiah’s coming makes all foods clean (Mark 7, Acts 10). If such things as the girls wearing the hijab and halal slaughter were the only issue people had with Muslims, I’d defend the Muslims–even if I am also ready to take up arms to keep my community from becoming another Malmo. As a mission-minded Christian, I am also wary about declaring bombs-and-guns inter-civilizational war, since we are, in our times, seeing an unprecedented openness to the Gospel on the part of Muslims, and I would not want to spoil God’s harvest apparently being gathered in God’s way. Sure, as a Christian, I believe Islam to be false and the Qur’an full of blasphemies and lies. But if this means I have to be in a shooting war with Muslims, it means I also have to be in a shooting war with lots of others, too–and mine is the religion that admonishes me to seek peace with all as much as it is up to me.
Bobsays
Yes , I am sure you are right. And do you notice the faces of all those around this priest? They look bored or mad, but certainly not concerned.
The fact is, the UN is no longer about peace, hasn’t been for many years, most if the member countries are despots and why it’s even relevant anymore is the 64K question
deja vusays
Kepha, interesting response, much of which I’m in accord with.
But I’m not sure why I was included in your list as I have already mentioned the great harvest of Muslims (and others) coming to a saving faith in Jesus as the result of increasing persecution. And I rejoice that so many are escaping from darkness into Light.
As for halal killing, there is a difference between finding it both inhumane and distasteful, and accepting that Jesus has made all foods clean. I don’t object to it on the grounds that it will harm our health, but I do object to the killing chains facing Mecca, the insistence on the importation of slaughtermen from Islamic nations, and the dedication to Allah intoned over every animal as it has its throat cut.
Many also resent the imposition of halal approved labels on numerous everyday products. The accompanying hefty fees (tax) collected by the Halal Certification Authority are making hundreds of millions of dollars out of our producers and manufacturers annually, thus adding to the cost of living. What purpose this tax is used for is not disclosed. But there are those who have reason to believe it goes to fund the jihad against the free world.
While understanding that Australia and NZ have had no option but to trade with Islamic nations in SE Asia and the ME since the UK joined the EU, it doesn’t sit well with the majority population of non-Islamic food producing nations, such as ours, to have our choice of foodstuffs compromised, and our manufacturers heavily taxed by an outside agency, simply so that they can export their goods.
Jack Diamondsays
The problem with halal meat, beyond animal cruelty and consecrating the food to the unholy deity, is that it is an intentional wedge to push push push shari’a on us. It is a political tactic of colonization. Like the mosques themselves that are the queen bee of the new colony that take over and ruin an infidel community. Everything shari’a is ibadat, a religious regulation and obligation, from the mosque to the jihad. It’s all doctrinal. But, there is no Qur’anic requirement for halal meat. The meat of the People of the Book is allowed the Muslims (5:3) “the food (including meat) of the people of the Scripture is lawful to you and yours to them.” This use of halal meat to signify a separate Muslim identity is simply to push and impose that identity. So schools/shops go to halal as the Muslim population (and loud demand) grows and employ Muslim suppliers in the process. A rehearsal for further demands. Just as the hijab becomes a symbol to the kafir that Islam is here and taking over.
Jensays
I agree with you deja vu about halal. I don’t want these halal labels in our country. But even more importantly, I don’t support animal cruelty for any reason. Farming of animals for commercial purposes is already cruel enough, never mind halal. I don’t accept the “free range” eggs either, as there is evidence that some providers use eggs that aren’t actually free range, despite their labels. All cost saving measures. The other thing is that, “free range” could mean there are still too many animals in one area so they aren’t truly free at all.
For that reason, I don’t eat meat or animal products any longer. It’s much nicer to eat non-processed fruits and vegetables anyway. Although Christianity doesn’t forbid the eating of meat, I choose to use my own feeling about it which I think is more compassionate. The way I like to see it is “They might not be able to do maths like me, but they are still able to feel pain like me.” Animals cry when they’re being hurt, so who am I to decide that their suffering is worth less than mine? Especially when I have the means to avoid it? (i.e. I’m not living with a scarcity of food).
Jensays
I just want to highlight something for people here who are against Islam.
Almost every time I go looking on internet forums and read the comments, I find a Muslim defending Islam by trying to tell people who condemn what it teaches, that they “don’t know what they’re talking about” because “they haven’t seen it first-hand” or they “don’t have any Muslim friends.”
Do NOT allow these people to discredit you and your arguments against what Islam teaches. Keep PUSHING and telling the truth to as many people as possible.
I have *seen* blown out buildings that resulted from Muslim suicide bombers, by walking along the street nearby. It does NOT make any difference whether you walk past it on the street in “real life” or you see a photo or a video of it on the internet. The damage is obvious whether you see it in person, or through pictures. Innocent people still died.
The point is, IT HAPPENED.
Do not let Muslims who defend Islam tell you that you have “no right” to speak about atrocities because you haven’t seen it in person.
Islam doesn’t have the truth on its side- it will lose this battle eventually. We won’t allow all the countless people who have died or who are suffering as we speak to be in vain. So keep defending your position. You are in the right.
dumbledoresarmysays
Jen
well said. Excellent ripostes to the sinister “Christy”.
I’ve been reading here since late 2006 and posting since April 2007 so I’ve seen a lot of comments from people of all kinds of backgrounds. Comments good, very good, so-so, and plain awful.
Can I just say that I have been enjoying reading your comments and hope that you stick around and become a “regular”??
We *need* you. The more like you we have here, the better to educate the many, many uninformed – or misinformed – non-Muslims who visit here every day and lurk and read over our shoulders as we write.
Jensays
I will stick around as a regular. As horrible as it makes me feel on a daily basis to read these stories, I can’t forget all the stories of people who are suffering because of this. It’s overwhelming and impossible to turn away from.
Then I think about my own life. Right now, I’d be having fun with my extended family. I intended on visiting for an extended period before all this ISIS hideousness become really apparent. Now I’m too afraid because I know you can find Muslims everywhere who are proud of their caliphate which means, in my mind, you’re more likely to be kidnapped. And really…Does dressing up as a MUSLIM (the enemy “religion”) to disguise my non-Muslim status really make for pleasant trip? I did it last time, but I actually think I would absolutely *refuse* this time out of my sheer *loathing* for this “religion” and what it is doing to people right now. Word about somebody new to the area spreads fast in some places in the world because people are so community oriented. And I have little kid cousins who might tell their friends at school that their foreign relative is visiting, and some of those school friends might be MUSLIM; and who knows if their parents are jihadists. All down hill from there……
I won’t lie. I hate these people who defend Islam, more and more everyday. Not many things make me *seethe* to this level. If I could meet these Muslim defenders of Islam in person, I would open the Qur’an and shove it in their face, and make them answer me as to what the *hell* they think they are doing, defending this sick book; a book directly responsible for these atrocities. Along with sick Mo of course.
At one point, I actually used to defend Muslims and dismiss these ideas I was told about them killing infidels as part of their “religion.” I could actually not believe it until I *read* it. It allll makes sense once you read. You can cast your mind back to incidents and piece bits together. Sometimes their behaviour is bizarre, but when you realise that this hatred for non-Muslims is mandated by their “religion,” the behaviour makes perfect sense. Naturally though, while you are dressed as a Muslim, they are friendly to you since they assume you’re another death cultist member.
There’s no room for Islam on this earth. It has to go. This “thing” is not a religion.
dumbledoresarmysays
Oh, it’s a religion – an *evil* religion in which murder, robbery and rape – all on the grand scale – are framed as acts of *worship* so long as they are carried out upon the Designated Prey Animals (non-Muslim humans).
Religions can be evil, flamboyantly so.
There were the Canaanites who used to sacrifice their infant children to Moloch.
There were the Aztecs who used to go to war in order to catch people whom they would then sacrifice to their gods.
The Incas used to sacrifice their own children. Not on the same grand scale as the Canaanites, but…they did it. The bodies have been found, ritually garbed and quite clearly deliberately *murdered*, in the high Andes.
The thuggees were *both* an extortion/ organised crime outfit *and* a “religion” or cult, performing human sacrifices.
Kumasi in west Africa was a focus of human sacrifice; and there is fairly solid reason to believe that ancient northwest European tribes such as the Celts practised human sacrifice as well.
The ancient pagan Greek cults of Bacchus and of Cybele were bloody; it wasn’t just wild animals that Bacchus’ maenads seized in the woods and tore to pieces, it could be *humans* as well.
Islam belongs in the same general category as the aforementioned, and is probably worse than all of them, excepting perhaps the Aztec system (though at least the Aztecs had art and music, so they were not *quite* as totally antihuman as Islam is).
Jensays
I know…but I refuse to call it a religion. I prefer to call it a “religion” or a “thing.” It needs to be taken off its pedestal. Most people in the world think of a religion as something sacred. So when de-legitimizing Islam, it is better to run its reputation into the ground by refusing to call it a religion. Then people can stop mistaking it for being as harmless as Christianity and start looking at it as a nasty ideology. Which is what it is.
It’s just so revolting to me. I’ve had enough.
Jensays
The thing about Islam which is so dangerous is that unlike other cults, it is placed alongside Christianity and Judaism as though they are equals. They teach it in schools for goodness sake. This is why I couldn’t believe it until I read about Islam from the actual source.
You wrote:
“So if a few Muslims do something bad, that gives you the right to demonize ALL 1.6 billion of them?”
You’re absolutely right, we should never demonize all Muslims. And we’re not.
We’re demonizing Islam, we’re demonizing its teachings, we’re demonizing its founder. Yes, Muhammad was an evil man, a sexually impotent pervert.
You don’t need to take our word for it. All you need to do is to read your “holy” books, you know, the ones you never read.
Check out this pps, please download it, and take the time to follow all the links to the most trusted islamic sources.
Salah, why assume that Muslims don’t read their “holy” books. Especially this frequent Islam apologist here.
It’s not as if the Qur’an is a hugely long book that would take decades to read. To assume their ignorance about violent “holy” books is absurd when these literate apologists are capable of visiting websites which show Muslim atrocities on a daily basis.
They know what Mo did for goodness sake. You can’t visit a blog like JW as often as some of these Islam apologists do, without tripping over his vile ways.
Jensays
And another thing.
It’s blatantly obvious that it is “impossible” to “demonize” all Muslims. I haven’t met every single Muslim on the planet, have you?
But I have read the comments of this “Christy” individual here, and she makes a point of constantly posting these things on Robert’s blog posts about Christian persecution. Always. She can’t post on any of the other blog posts because Muslims having just killed somebody is not a grey area where any doubt can be cast as to what happened.
The “you can’t demonize all Muslims” is the same old tripe response that they use when they call people “racists” or “Islamophobes” to shame people into silence when commenting on their “religion.”
Instead of actually ignoring this self-made victim, you go ahead and take the one sentence she used, the usual tripe sentence to discredit people criticising Islam, and you run with it again by copying and pasting it and agreeing with her!
Christy, like all Islamopologists and PC MCs, is setting up a false dilemma between
1) “all” Muslims are terrorists
2) only a tiny minority of extremists are terrorists.
The fallacy they purvey is that unless you agree to characterize the problem as #2, you must be advocating #1.
The real problem, however, is between these two poles — and by virtue of being between them, it also has two additional qualities:
a) it is systemic (it can not be limited to a tiny minority, it is much more broad-based)
b) it is metastasizing (it is getting worse, spiralling out of control).
It is either obtuse or sly to insist, as Christy implies, that if we describe the problem as (a) — systemic — we are somehow damning “ALL 1.6 billion of them” (and notice her sleight-of-hand with the numbers, through the special Jihad of the Fudge Numbers adding 0.3 billion more Muslims to the world).
Jensays
That is a good way of expressing it. Exactly right. And yes, “Christy” is a dishonest person who knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s probably been using that same pity party excuse to defend Islam on all other internet forums as well. It’s like a brain disease with these self-made victims.
We need to destroy this ridiculous idea by busting through with our “truth” propaganda, when talking about Islam. Otherwise, people revert to these stupid ways of thinking about things. It’s disarming to our stance, for people to say it must be either X or Y. It’s not in either neat category, but it is systemic problem nonetheless! GOOD way to describe this.
Larry A. Singletonsays
United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA) And the European Union (EU) 8-2-14
Ban Tyrants From Sitting On UN Rights Body (Forbes 7-24-14) http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/07/24/ban-tyrants-from-sitting-on-un-rights-body/
The Council’s branding of itself as a “human rights” body is a false and misleading claim that the Federal Trade Commission would have prosecuted years ago if UNHRC was somehow subject to truth in advertising rules. China, Russia, Cuba and Saudi Arabia currently sit on this “human rights” body, aided and abetted by legions of other theocracies, kleptocracies, and tin pot serial human rights abusers.
Also watch the video and reaction to UN Watch-sickening.
The United Nations “Human Rights” Council by Denis MacEoin (Gatestone Institute) http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4573/united-nations-human-rights-council
“When anyone tries to take the floor of the United Nations Human Rights Council and reveal the truth about abusive states, watch the abusers press their buzzers and demand that the truth-teller be stopped from speaking”
Is the EU Deploying a Double Standard toward Israel? (The Jerusalem Center/You Tube video) Is the European Union consistent in restricting economic activity in Israel’s disputed territories? How does the EU operate in occupied territories such as Morocco, N. Cyprus and Kashmir? Double standard? Watch the video and judge for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJerusalemCenter
Uh-oh. Hope I didn’t shoot my big mouth off about this. Finally figure out the “Notify me of follow-up comments by email” feature. I’ve been jumping through all these hoops when all I had to do is click on the item at the top of my email. Oops.
Champsays
Christy, please forgive us …we didn’t realize that you are the queen of travel and have taken precious time out of your busy schedule and come down from your thrown to impart truth and wisdom upon our weak and feeble minds–oh, how gracious and kind of you to come and mingle with the lil’ people for a bit, your Heinous!
Champsays
LOL!!!! …I meant your ‘Highness’ ..what a fantastic and perfect typo! 😀
Mirren10says
🙂
Nice one, Champ !
Champsays
Thanks, Mirren10! 😉
Jensays
Haha! I laugh so hard when I read some of these comments by Muslims trying to defend the indefensible Islam. Almost every argument from every Muslim is identical.
The amusing thing is that “Christy” talks about historical events which obviously occurred before she was born (which means she could not have been present at the time it happened), and then immediately turns around and gives people a hard time for not having seen something first hand. She asked whether I’ve been through a checkpoint before (which I have). But maybe I should ask her if she battled in the Crusades, since she implies that people who haven’t seen something firsthand are incapable of commenting on it!
Fail…
Champsays
So true, Jen! ..yeah and “Christy” is rather FULL of herself ..what a bother.
Wolfgangsays
@ Christy
you are a whack job you know that ? do you even know what a Christian is ?
” A true Christian is a person who has put faith and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ, including His death on the cross as payment for sins and His resurrection on the third day. John 1:12 tells us, “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4, 10). A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Jesus Christ.
Any person can claim they are ” Christian ” with a cross around their neck and go three times a year to a church, the only definition that counts is how Strong’s Concordance describes a Christian : ” one who is Christ like in both action and deed and submits to his precepts “.
quote:
Unfortunately over time, the word “Christian” has lost a great deal of its significance and is often used of someone who is religious or has high moral values but who may or may not be a true follower of Jesus Christ. Many people who do not believe and trust in Jesus Christ consider themselves Christians simply because they go to church or they live in a “Christian” nation.
As for quoting the teachings of Jesus, go ahead quote me the violent teachings of Jesus chapter and verse, I can wait. Put up or shut up, simple formula.
” If you really knew the teachings of Jesus, Christians should not be complaining,” he reportedly said.)
……………………That so called official is a plain idiot and fool.
So all your blather shows that you have no idea of what a “Christian ” really is.
I can quote you direct from the Bible if you like, perhaps that would suit you better ?
Bro. Nicksays
@ Wolfgang – Very sound Biblical thought, for:
“Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”
(Prov 27:17 [KJV])
(12) FOR THE WORD OF GOD IS QUICK, AND POWERFUL,
AND SHARPER THAN ANY TWOEDGED SWORD,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
(Heb 4:12-13 [KJV])
– CAPITALization and emphasis of Holy Scripture mine – Bro. Nick
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Wolfgangsays
@Bro.nick
Thanks……..see ? country boys can think too despite what some on here say…we just talk slowwwww to confuse all ýa ! : )
Mosays
@ Christy
“The point is that extremism and intolerance of whatever stripe, not Islam, is the threat.”
There is no “Christian radicalism”. There are no open-ended commands for Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers or anyone else. That’s why there are no Jews or Christians committing such acts, all over the world, on a regular basis, in obedience to such commands.
You will not and cannot name one, because they don’t exist.
Now, anything to say on ISLAM?
Be gone, troll.
Mosays
@ Christy
“It’s very funny, I don’t see any of you attacking the Talmud with 1/100 of the vitriol that you use to attack Islam. ”
Ha ha! Here we go. I love how telling the truth about the death cult of Islam is always called “attacking”. (While the actual ATTACKS perpetrated by the followers of the child rapist and warlord Mohammad are ignored.)
Show me the verses in the OT or the NT that are open-ended commands for Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers. Or against anyone.
When you’re done providing that evidence, show me where Jews or Christians are committing such acts, all over the world, on a regular basis, in obedience to those commands.
You know you won’t do it. You know it!
Be gone, troll.
Mosays
@ Christy
Where’s my answer? Where’s my evidence?
Or are you going to ignore me, as happens every single time I ask for this evidence?
Mosays
@ Christy
“Why don’t you answer my question first? What do you think of the fact that the Talmud refers to Jesus as the bastard son of a whore who practiced sorcery by means of his membrum and how they now believe that he is boiling in human waste in the afterlife? Where is your people’s “outrage” over that?”
LOL!
Judaism is neither the focus of this site, the focus of this article, nor is it the source of the oppression and slaughter we see on nearly a daily basis.
Now, provide your evidence. You know you have ZERO. You know it.
1. The Jews did not kill Jesus. The.Romans killed Jesus. The Jews had no more power to order someone executed under the Romans than they did under the Nazis.
2. Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Judaism begins with the first page of the Old Testament and ends with the last page of the Old Testament.
Western Canadiansays
According to Jew hating loons (like this one….), the Talmud also dismisses raping children as of no matter…. It does no such thing, but hatred blinds these vicious loons to the truth…
Champsays
“Christy” complains of the Talmud concerning Jesus, BUT mohammedans have Jesus Christ completely wrong, too …
More importantly, the Jews do not pose a threat to world peace; and not all muslims are terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorists ARE muslims–so islam & company are enemy #1!
“Christy”, the queen of travel and great knowledge, is grossly incapable of focusing on the real enemy: islam & company–tsk, tsk!
deja vusays
Christy, you’ve not yet mentioned the ‘fact’ that at Passover the Jews use the blood Palestinian children to make their matzos. It was repeated by Hamas as recently as August this year.
You’re slipping.
Kephasays
Yes, I have read Tractate Sanhedrin and find its assessment of Jesus wrong and evil. But I can walk in an area full of Chasidim or Mitnagedim and be pretty sure that nobody will try to chop off my head or groom my granddaughter for illegal sex.
Alissasays
Here we go again. The same old dumass Muslim strategy:
1. provoke your opponent by making outrageous untrue statements
2. deny the obvious when faced up with the facts
3. accuse your opponent of…you guessed it…islamaphobia and pretend your feewings are hurt like a 2 year old, and,
all the while, talk over your opponent incessantly (as in Choudry) when it’s their turn to talk making it difficult for fair debate
Since the Talmud says no such thing, due to the individual being referenced NOT being the one who is the subject of the new testament, Christy (Abdul/abdula) is merely demonstrating her ability to remain ignorant as the result of extreme effort, her extreme dishonesty, and her bigotry and hatred. No such thing appears in the Talmud. Period.
Thinking From First Principlessays
I have tried to post twice now and am being stopped and getting a message as follows:
You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
marcsays
strange, i see this comment?
mach37says
Christy, the Talmud and Judaism is not attacked because it doesn’t call for murder, maiming, and doing other horrendous things to people who disagree with the tenets of their faith.
deja vusays
Richard Sherman: Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Judaism begins with the first page of the Old Testament and ends with the last page of the Old Testament.
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This is a common misconception. Jesus doesn’t suddenly make an appearance in the NT, but is referred to in prophecy throughout the OT. He is not named Yeshua until his incarnation, but there are many references to Him, too numerous to list here. A few examples are: Isaiah 7:14, 9:6 and Isaish 53, Micah 5:2, Zechariah 9:9 and Psalm 22, for starters. All refer to the coming Messiah, God incarnate, who was redeem the lost and pay the ultimate price for the sins of mankind.
Christians are free to interpret Jewish scripture any way they want. However the clear fact remains that Jesus Christ is not mentioned in the Old Testament…Further there is a 2000 to 3000 year gap between the writing of the Old Testament and the New Testament…and further that the four men who wrote the New Testament had to beg the Romans for every breath of air they breathed.
Kephasays
If the four Evangelists had to beg the Romans for their every breath, how come they present Pontius Pilate as a cynical careerist, and other Roman officials as sometimes capricious (Luke, writing in the book of Acts)? How come John and Peter both describe Rome as “Babylon” (with all the connotations that has from the Old Testament)? How come Paul describes much of his contemporary Roman culture as a corrupt fruit of idolatry that needs to change?
i’m aware of a school of thought that wants to say that the whole of the NT is an attempt to dissociate Christianity from Judaism after the 70 A.D. war and ingratiate the Christian movement with the Roman Empire, but as I read the NT and consider this thesis, I can only scratch my head and say “Huh?”
Wolfgangsays
@Richard Sherman
You got that one wrong buddy…..put up or shut up.,show it from the Bible ( if you can )
Dictators are often capricious and will allow a certain amount of criticism or satire up to a point. Those who survive such as the four evangelists understood that their Roman masters had a line they could not cross. So they created the historical fiction(impossibility) that the Jews under Roman rule could decide who lived and who died. The Jews had no life and death power under Roman rule…anymore than they had life and death power under Nazi rule. It was a fiction that allowed the four evangelists to continue breathing.
Jensays
Look at this.
This is standard Muslim response. She’s doing it again.
Pay attention to the patterns in what these Muslims do. This is not UN- ISLAMIC behaviour. It is run- of-the-mill, Muslim behaviour.
When you try to express your horrible experiences in dealing with Muslims, you will NOT expect to receive ANY kind of sympathy from a MUSLIM. Really…never. Not in a sincere manner.
They think they’re better than us (the non-Muslim) because they’re Muslim (even as ridiculous as that seems). They think they are part of the Chosen Religion. The people who aren’t Muslims are ‘unbelievers’ and therefore, filthy.
She’s called my stories a “sob story.” Just the same way as the other Muslim from the other day on JW called my story “tales” and “what kind of stories is this.”
The OTHER Muslim on here, who also dismissed my stories, did the *identical* thing to what “Christy” is doing here.
He first tried to imply that *nobody* writing on JW, had the “right” to comment on Muslim behaviour. What he said instead was, “Have you ever been with a Muslim?”
In other words- you have no RIGHT to comment on Muslim atrocities. You don’t have any Muslim friends.
When I hit back at him to let him know that I HAVE known Muslim behaviour, he immediately turns around and dismisses what I have to say, using the identical response that “Christy” has done.
“Christy” has called them “sob stories” and called me “pathetic.”
The other Muslim, called my story “what kind of stories is this” and “this is not Muslim behaviour” and he called them “tales.” (so as if to imply that they aren’t really the vile incidents of Muslim behaviour that they actually are).
Everything about their choice of words is to minimise the behaviour of their own fellow Muslims.
When criticising non-Muslims who are expressing disdain for their “religion” they have no hesitation to brand people as “Islamophobes” or “racists”, knowing full well, that this is slur to us (civilized people).
“Christy” and other Muslims in this world are threatened by the idea of people who ACTUALLY HAVE dealt with Muslims directly, to tell their stories.
They can’t dismiss what we’re saying because they recognise their own Muslim behaviour in the very things that *I* and others have described.
It’s called the TRUTH. Muslims are Truthaphobic.
I know that I’m far superior in moral character to “Christy,” even just by reading her comments. As are, all the other people commenting on JW.
“Christy” is just your usual Muslim scum.
Keep defending your positions, JW readers. You are in the right. Muslims are not.
Jensays
And the other funny thing about this:
“Christy” is essentially denying that this dog-like behaviour is usual Muslim behaviour. That’s why she says we are not allowed to “demonize” Muslims, for the behaviour of “a few.”
However in the way that she writes and in the *things* that she says, she is just reaffirming what I’m saying!
What an idiot…………..
Jensays
Also note.
Muslims behave like we don’t have a right to be outraged at what they are doing, even when it’s terrible. In the same way that the Muslim woman Rezali who frequently posts on JW, seems to think that the West doesn’t have a right to defend itself by coming down on their imposed Islamic culture like a ton of bricks.
Even if that means we have to use sting operations to weed out dishonest people. No, no. That would be oppression, you see (even though only dishonest people would take the police bait in the first place).
As “Christy” here, conforming to the usual Islamic thinking, has said. My justifiable outrage at how Muslims have treated my family is merely “hysterics.”
So when they’re wanting to invade our country and fly their black flag over it; they the Muslims, being the perpetual self-made victims that they are, think that any strong response to their ghastly behaviour is unjustified.
The West needs to come down on these people like a ton of bricks. Their values are completely inconsistent with ours on so many levels. How many more examples do we need to realise this?
Wolfgangsays
@jen
“Christy ” is another taqyya fool, like you , I have spent time with Muslims [ working side by side with them]
1. They don’t assimilate
2. They ALWAYS play the racism card when you tell them what Mo did
3. slyness is part of their culture.
I worked with a Afghan woman for the last 5 years, she spent 30 years living in the west and her English was so sub standard, she associated with Afghans only. I helped her write clinical reports in English.
Her children were better , but they also didn’t western ideas and culture.
Jensays
The more stories that people can share, the better.
The pattern in behaviour is impossible to ignore!
Jensays
Exactly. There is no way in *hell* we are going to throw away the sacrifices of our forebears to allow these Muslim scums like “Christy” to impose their sickening Islamic culture on us.
They can all F**** off, as far as I’m concerned. They’ve already destroyed enough beautiful places in the world. Let’s not allow them to extend their reach.
Hate filled, scum filled, resource-draining people, that they are.
Jensays
I’m intending on starting some kind of group to help educate people. My anger at these vile Muslims who defend Islam has reached catastrophic levels recently.
And also, regardless of the sect of Christianity or any other religion for that matter, we should all stick together. We’re on the same side. Other differences in belief are minor compared to the horrendous Islam and what it hopes to impose on us. So for that reason, other religious places of worship should also have Christians going there and helping to educate them as well (if they aren’t already). Spread the word. It doesn’t matter how it’s done. If you treat this cause of spreading the truth like a business, and you market it as such, I think it will be very effective.
Bro. Nicksays
Off the topic of this thread – AND
– This comment is only for those “few”, “the remnant”, “born again”, “converted”, blood-bought, true followers and believers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – Biblical CHRISTians.
We are to be followers of “the truth” which is found only in “the word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible – Why then are there so many postings that are most unkind, are often quite condescending in their wording, and make dogmatic – broad sweeping statements of fact with no Scriptural verification?
It is my observation that those that make such harsh and adversarial comments are very effectively causing divisions, problems, and in sowing discord amongst and between Brethren – our Brothers and Sisters that we are going to spend all of Eternity worshipping and serving “THE LORD JESUS CHRIST” with!!!
– and –
How many have thought that these adversarial comments and unpleasant name-calling are also very effectively ‘turning off’ unbelievers that observe the ‘dog fights’ and hypocracy of and among those that call themselves ‘christians’!!!
CHRISTians must remember and take absolutely seriously that which we are warned about in “the word of God”:
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
(1 Pet 5:8 [KJV])
“Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.”
(1 Cor 16:17-18 [KJV])
Which do we want to be known as:
(1) A SOFT ANSWER TURNETH AWAY wrath:
but grievous words stir up anger.
(2) THE TONGUE OF THE WISE USETH KNOWLEDGE ARIGHT:
but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
(Prov 15:1-2 [KJV])
– CAPITALization and emphasis of Holy Scripture mine – Bro. Nick
Think about what Psalm 115:1 says!!!
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Wolfgangsays
@Bro. Nick
you are correct my friend, I find it amazing that people will attack Christians on here with veiled hate and dig in the claws , it doesn’t faze me, but I am willing to die for the sake of freedom and for my belief for others to disagree with me, but too often people would rather pull down than say ” well OK, I don’t agree with you but lets shake hands ” ….. too many people have a real hate of Christians and Christianity. Sad.
shows to me what people are like, this site is an anti Jihad site.
deja vusays
Wolfgang, I’ve thought about this for a long time and have come to the conclusion that ONLY Jesus gets under people’s skin. You never hear anyone use the name of Mo, Buddha or Krishna as a swear word. Only Jesus rattles them.
Coupled with that is the fact that when a person hates, neglects or mistreats any one of God’s children for His sake, it is equal to hating, neglecting or mistreating Jesus Himself. And they will be judged for it accordingly. We have to work while it is still light to bring the Gospel to those who are perishing.
Matt 25:31-46
Bro. Nicksays
@ deja vu – “The truth” of “the word of the LORD” – IN CONTEXT – is always “the truth”, and how we ALWAYS need to remember!!! – the Inspired Words:
(12) FOR THE WORD OF GOD IS QUICK, AND POWERFUL,
AND SHARPER THAN ANY TWOEDGED SWORD,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
(Heb 4:12-13 [KJV])
– AND – our postings should ALWAYS BE:
(1) NOT unto us, O LORD, NOT unto us,
BUT UNTO THY NAME GIVE GLORY, FOR THY MERCY,
AND FOR THY TRUTH’S SAKE.
(2) Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
(3) BUT OUR GOD IS IN THE HEAVENS:
HE HATH DONE WHATSOEVER HE HATH PLEASED.
(4) Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. (5) They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: (6) They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: (7) They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
(Ps 115:1-7 [KJV])
How could the lives of real CHRISTians be used by “the Lord God Almighty” if more of us would actually live our lives with
– ‘NO Reserves, NO Retreat, NO Regret’ for our Lord and Saviour “Jesus the Christ”?
CHRISTians – We need to put on – and keep on the “whole armor of God”
(Eph 6:10-20 | 2 Cor 10:3-5 | James 4:6-10 [KJV])
– AND pray often, with great sincerity, effectually and fervently, and in real humility for the protection, spiritual discernment, wisdom, and guidance of “the Lord God Almighty” for all saints –
(Eph 6:18 | 1 Thess 5:23 [KJV])
– AND for the few truly ‘God called’ Biblically sound Pastors and Teachers – the ‘true Shepherds’ that “the Lord God Almighty” has left to us – worldwide – in these increasingly perilous end times of greater and greater ‘spiritual deception’ – (Amos 8:11-14 [KJV])
– AND for all CHRISTians – in the MID-EAST, and wherever else we live – (Eph 6:18 [KJV])
[the ‘Big Satan’ of the Mohammadens]
– AND for all of the JEWISH people and the land of ISRAEL – (1 Tim 2:1 [KJV])
[the ‘Little Satan’ of the Mohammadens]
– AND for all “kings” – each and every one of the ‘heads of state’ – and for those in authority.
(1 Tim 2:2 [KJV])
– AND for MANY-MANY LOST people everywhere to accept the “free gift” of Biblical Salvation by true belief in “Jesus the Christ”!!! – remembering that:
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
(2 Pet 3:9 || also 1 Tim 2:4 | Ezek 18:30-32 [KJV])
– All CAPITALization and emphasis of Holy Scripture mine – Bro. Nick
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Wolfgangsays
@Bro.nick @deja vu @Other Christians on JW
yes, you are both correct in what you say, it really grieves me with sadness that the USA is in such moral and spiritual decline, how can you fight an enemy of the Gospel in the front lines as it were when there are so many people who have humanism in the rear when they both attack the same root ( Christianity ) which is the foundational bedrock of America, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Canada, Germany, France, Russia and many many other countries, they all share the same heritage and foundation, truly that base is being chipped and eaten away by enemies within and those without, many years ago I went out with a girl from Georgia State, in my younger days I was not in the place I am now with my God, she was studying the ” Humanities ” to be a a social worker, I reached a point where I knew it was not going anywhere because I saw the utter nonsense that the esteemed left wing Professors were teaching, they were teaching that gay marriages are fine, abortion is fine, euthanasia was fine, smoking weed was fine, in short there was no morals because no one has the right to tell another what to do.
Both my kids went to a Christian school, we could not stomach what the state mandates is so called ” normal “, look, for me and my house we stand up for decent things, honorable things, respect for the law of the land, respect for the authorities, law and order, my wife and I give to goodwill, we give our time to street mission, handing out blankets and coffee to the poor and give back to the local community , we take in those on the street.
I was in New Orleans when Katrina struck, I saw the National Guard disarm people who would not let looters take their worldly goods, many Police ran away and abandoned their posts, I saw Police loot, I saw people do the most horrendous things to people who could not defend themselves, am I pro firearm ownership ? YES ! am I pro family of one woman marrying one man ? YES !, look if two male men wish to get married and live together, that is their choice, call it anything you like, but please its not marriage ! because its not, too many in the Churches today follow along with what’s trendy in the world, I saw the others that US fish and game are issuing warnings to idiots who are taking selfies with grizzly bears !, such stupid stupid people, a crime scene waiting to happen, as a woodsmen I respect all the animals out there and what they can do if pushed.
There is lots of talk of peoples ” rights “, what about my right to say no ? what about my right to have my kids schooled the way I want ? what about my right to not have my beliefs impinged upon ? what about my right to defend my family lawfully in the face of naked violent aggression ?
Islam is sadly right on one point, the west is in moral decline, Bro Nick , yes , we are really in the last days, so standing firm in Gods moral code and what he wrote down for us is even more imperative today that 500 years ago.
If you have read down this far, stay well and may bless you in all you do today, may God bless all today who stand for morality, civilization , peace and goodwill to all men .
My prayers go out to the soldiers, airmen , marines and men and women who put on a uniform to fight for those who cannot.
II Timothy 3:1-5, NIV. “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.”
All those words written thousands of years ago are in that small passage……..
How Ironic and so few ” see ” themselves in it.
Thanks for reading.
Jensays
Yes, ideally there shouldn’t be too much debating on Christianity all.
We just need to educate people about Islam. Like I said earlier, once we educated people about Islam, we can stop debating with Muslims about events that have no effect on how Muslims will treat non-Muslims. The only purpose for calling Muslims out, is to point out that they are trying to spread misinformation. And to have the conversation to expose the way Muslims think, for the benefit of everyone else.
As said earlier- debating about Christianity or other religions: it’s not going to re-write the Qur’an or take Muhammad down as a “prophet” is it?
People have to be aware that not everyone is religious here. And Christians should not be condescending to people who are not religious or those of other religions either! Major turn-off to anyone who may previously have been interested in becoming a Christian.
I also think it is extremely unhelpful, in the context of what is going on today, for Christians to refer to non-religious people or those of other religions as ‘unbelievers.’ The word in the context of today, has too many negative connotations attached to it. Muslims use this word, and it means a very different thing. Let’s distance ourselves from them as much as possible. We are *not* alike in any shape or form.
As for the Jew-hating comments from some certain “Christians” on here. They should stop doing this. Not only does it have nothing to do with Islam, but it is just embarrassing to be saying it in the first place and really says a lot about the person that they are. Are we not all better than Muslims? No Jew hating. Unacceptable.
The Counter-Jihad (“such as it is”, as Diana West remarked tartly a couple of years ago) of course continues to be in the predicament of needing a “Big Tent”, as big as possible — though this shouldn’t mean we let in any old riff-raff (conspiracy theorists, anti-semites, etc.).
One problem with certain more or less dubious members (if a group that hasn’t really officially formed yet can even have “members” per se… but I digress) is when they seem to insist that their particular worldview is directly relevant to a proposed solution to the problem of Islam. This can be problematic on two accounts: when other “Big Tent-Members” don’t share their worldview; and when those certain dubious sorts go further, beyond merely proposing a private eccentric Solution, on to defining the problem of Islam according to their worldview (my favorite is, “The problem is not really Islam but rather a Dastardly Cabal of Evil White (perhaps Jewish?) Globalists who are manufacturing this pseudo-problem of Islam” — and not all who advocate this spell it out so candidly, so one must read between the lines sometimes).
“It’s very funny, I don’t see any of you attacking the Talmud with 1/100 of the vitriol that you use to attack Islam”
When Jews do a 911, a London Tube bombing, a Madrid bombing, two Bali attacks, a Mumbai, a Nairobi shopping mall attack, rampage across Africa in the form of girl-enslaving Christian-massacring Boko Haram, or al-Shabaab in Somalia, or the jihadists in Central African Republic, or the decades-long genocide going on in Sudan — in addition to dozens of plots to mass-murder us (just to adduce one example from many one could pluck from a keffiyeh, the plot
a couple of years ago to firebomb fuel lines at JFK airport that would have ripped through gas pipelines of a suburban area of homes and businesses outside JFK airport in New York state), by Jews specifically adducing the Talmud in various communications and sermons — then I will be the first to condemn the Talmud.
In the meantime, I am the first to condemn sly, but not so clever, snakes like Christy.
P.S.: By the way, my litany of terrors & horrors perpetrated by Muslims was quite truncated, compared to the long list of grisly ghoulish ghastly shit they have actually wrought around the world from the Philippines to Morocco, from Sydney to New York, from Amsterdam to Portland, from Paris (plots to blow up the Eiffel Tower, ffs) to Montreal — and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ………………..
John C. Barile says
Heartening to hear of the singular exception to regional genocides.
RHHH says
May the Holy One of Israel bless this man, and shine his light into the darkness that is covering the earth in this generation … having failed to love the truth … not realizing the prophets wrote aboat this generation … revealing “the end from the beginning” over 2700 years ago, Isaiah was told,
Isaiah 46,
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
This generation will see how it all turns out (hint) Christ wins.
Bro. Nick says
AMEN! – For “the truth” written in “the word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible is eternal:
(20) He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
(21) The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
(Rev 22:20-21 [KJV])
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Don McKellar says
Likely this priest is now on a hit list somewhere…
Richie says
Isnt it odd how people who point out that Islam is violent are usually threatened with violence.
Georg says
Well, no.
Kenny says
Indeed! The strange paradox of “If you don’t stop calling us violent, we’ll kill you”.
Perhaps Reza Aslan may wish to explain and help us understand this one? That is, if he’s not too busy pulling silly faces and issuing playground insults.
Wolfgang says
Not possible……Reza is playing dumb and dumber
Bro. Nick Nicholas says
Thanks be unto “THE ONLY WISE GOD” that caused a statement of Biblical truth to be made in the unholy ‘United Nations’ – who consistently and most often are against against the JEWISH people – and an undevided JERUSALEM, the eternal and present Capital City of ISRAEL – and ISRAEL.
May those few that are truly believers and followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – CHRISTians – most sincerely, often, effectively and fervently:
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.”
(Psalm 122:6 [KJV])
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deja vu says
Amen to that!
It is high time that the slumbering world woke up to the reality of widespread Christian persecution in all Islamic nations, both overtly and covertly.
Open Doors has an informative report on today’s level of persecution. It is unprecedented and is rising every day. Christians are troubled by this but not surprised – Jesus warned His followers that it would happen as a sign of His imminent return.
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/persecution/about-persecution
Jen says
Look at this.
She’s doing it again.
Back to the default Muslim position.
Don’t you people understand that criticising Islam makes you a RACIST and an ISLAMOPHOBE?!
Other than being a racist, hater or an Islamophobe, there is NO OTHER conceivable reason for saying anything bad about Islam or Muslims!!
Wolfgang says
Christians mostly are not concerned……….in my experience far too many are into the prosperity gospel.
deja vu says
Properity gospel types will not even be aware of the persecution of their brothers and sisters in Christ. Such information will be considered ‘too negative’ for their congregations which are being fed ‘milk suitable for infants’, not meat for mature adults.
Nonetheless, there are many churches that do know and care, and are not only supporting the various agencies advocating for the suffering church, and meeting their needs, but praying for them as well. This Sunday, for example, has been designated the International Day of Prayer for the persecuted church and we will be joining with 500,000 churches in 150 countries to pray.
In God’s providence I believe that, with the rise of ISIS, the world at large is having to face the truth at long last. And this is helping spread awareness among those who were previously indifferent or in denial.
Bro. Nick says
@ Wolfgang – How true – For there is now a massive ‘spiritual deception, delusion and a falling away from truth’ as there is an ever increasingly rapid number of Apostate and Heretical teachings – which is being led by ‘the pope’ and Roman Catholicism of ‘Apostate Ecumenical-Interfaith Christendom’ – which certainly includes ‘ChriSlam’.
– There are an ever increasing number of “hirelings” – men and women that are ‘wolves in sheeps clothing’, the “false teachers”, and the “false prophets” in these ‘end-of-the-end times’ PRIOR to the ‘Rapture’ of “the church” – those who are truly CHRISTians – followed some time after by “that day”, “the day of the Lord”, “the day of the LORD’S wrath”, “the time of Jacob’s trouble”, the “great tribulation”!
The absolute truth and reality of “the words of the LORD” should be very clear about the fundamental followers of ‘the Prophet’ Mohammed, Buddahism, Hinduism, etc… :
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
(Gen 6:5 [KJV])
“The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.”
(Ps 12:8 [KJV])
Me thinks that the whole world is becoming exponentially more rapidly ‘as it was in the days of Noah and of Lot’ – AND Righteous Judgment by “the LORD JEHOVAH” will come:
“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”
(Luke 17:26-29 [KJV])
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Wolfgang says
@Bro.nick
I agree with you 100 %. I believe that so few believers care what happens outside of their little world, my wife and I have been strongly with Open doors for decades, we were involved with smuggling bible’s, medicines tracts into Russia, China, the number of Churches that wanted to hear our testimony and what we went through out numbered the ones who were eager to hear. I read Pastor Richard Wurmbrand for years, it drove me crazy with people who want to bury their head in the sand, in some ways its worse today among mainstream churches, today its all about the ” selfie ” ( ie self ,self, self ,selfish me, me, me ) and the prosperity Gospel as taught by so many money hungry big name preachers, I steer well away from them, we have Cre-flow dollor ! ( name says it all ! ) disgusting man ! has a fleet of Rolls Royces and lives in a 20 room mansion with private jet , the church itself is in big trouble, very little preaching from Gods holy word passage by passage, very, very difficult to find a bible believing fundamentalist Church that will stand like a rock on the hole scripture. God is not mocked for sure…….so many ” Christians ” are on their way to hell, they say Sodomy is good ” and “Godly “. I see today the CEO of Apple has ” come out ” saying he is proud to be Gay and that being Gay is the biggest blessing from God, my wife and I weep for the Church and society, no wonder Islam hates us and see’s the West as weak, the West has almost forgotten its true Heritage, that heritage is the Gospel of JESUS Christ, its the bedrock of all Western civilization and government, take that founding stone away and the West will not stand.
Many many millions of men and women around the world are standing with me and we [ believers have already won] .
Take care and God Bless you
Mo says
@ Christy
“Oh why don’t you cut the crap. You don’t actually care about suffering Christians. No, you only “care” when you can use it as a pretext for attacking Muslims.”
LOL! Can you show me where anyone’s attacking Muslims.
Looks like you’ve got things upside and backwards. Muslims are the ones attacking Christians.
You know, in obedience to their texts and their warlord, child rapist prophet? Anything to say on that? You know you won’t answer.
Be gone, troll.
Western Canadian says
Crap?? The only crap around here is that which you insist on posting. Even though it shows you to be a weak minded, hate mongering loon.
Richard Sherman says
He will never be allowed in the UN again. He somehow avoided the UN requirement that everyone who participates in UN functions is completely and totally antisemitic. That is why Obama speaks there so often.
Rick Miracle says
Ha Ha
Anyone NOT know the powers that be (as Israel Prime minister said, Mr Sharon)
don’t worry about the USA, we control the USA!
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Is not the USA being transferred into a Luciferic nation? GOT GAY? Got your rainbow? The new age is a lie, it’s the return of the golden age of the pharaohs, the kings, the Caesars ! Hail Hitler ! Hail Lucifer ! The demons are back !
Enough said! Yes, the Zionist are working over time to destroy the Christians, world wide! That’s just the facts ! It is what it is!
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rick miracle the truth seeker
John C. Barile says
You, sir, are a crank–and your power of reason is quite impaired.
Wolfgang says
never fear us Germans will sort him out….
Bro. Nick says
@ Rick Miracle – You know not what you say when you accuse ‘the Zionist are working over time to destroy the Christians, world wide!’
I am a Christian Zionist (a supporter of Israel) – and neither I, nor other Biblical CHRISTian Zionists are out to destroy our faith!
The Biblical truth is that there are always only “the few” – “the remnant” – the truly “converted” – “born again” true believers and followers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – Biblical CHRISTians – that have “an heart to perceive”, “ears to hear”, and “eyes to see” “the truth” of “the word of the LORD” – and that are aware of the incredible dangers of ‘spiritual deception, delusion and a falling away from the truth’ that we are living in these ‘end-of-the-end times’:
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
(1 Peter 5:8 [KJV])
Biblical CHRISTians will joyously do the will of our “Lord Jesus Christ” – which is to:
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.”
(Psalm 122:6 [KJV])
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
(Genesis 12:1-3 [KJV])
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Rob says
Well done that man!
UnEasyOne says
Egypt and Lebanon used to be christian countries. Egypt is now 10% christian and Lebanon is a bombed out muslim hellhole. This is the protection “people of the book” can expect from the followers of Mohammed – and it’s result.
Islamisdeath says
And you do? “Christy” the muslim troll returns
Jen says
This troll calling itself “Christy” belongs to the Religion of Death.
Jen says
Even though “Christy” apparently knows better than you do, Islamsideath, this doesn’t stop her bleeding heart from caring about persecuted Christians by “raising awareness” of Christian “radicalism” which is just suchhhhh a widespread and global disaster that it can even be put near a blog which shows continuously how the adherents of the Religion of Death are slaughtering Christians in their thousands.
Mo says
@ Christy
“You are an idiot who has never even set foot in either Egypt or Lebanon. You have NO room to comment on either country.”
Be gone, troll.
Western Canadian says
I have never heard ANYONE, but ANYONE ever use this week ‘you have no right to comment’ drivel, who themselves have ANY, repeat ANY legitimate information on what ever subject they are trying to end debate over. And here we get another example of proof of that observation.
Bro. Nick says
@ UnEasyOne – Not only Egypt and Lebanon – but the Martyrdom and great Persecution of Christians and Jews by the fundamental followers of ‘the Prophet’ Mohammed in North Africa and the Mid-east
– with the exception of ISRAEL.
A couple of very interesting websites that give verifiable documentation of the inhumane actions by many of the fundamental followers of Mohammedanism –
Christians “Most Persecuted Group in World”
Muslim Persecution of Christians, February 2014
by Raymond Ibrahim | June 23, 2014 at 4:00 am
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4365/christians-most-persecuted
Palestinean Media Watch
http://palwatch.org/
For those few that are truly Biblical CHRISTians – we need to always remember “the truth” of “the word of the LORD” that:
(19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
(20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
(21) But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
(John 15:19-21 [KJV])
(12) Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
(13) But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
(2 Tim 3:12-13 [KJV])
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Ajs says
So would you please explain how Lebanon went from 90% Christian to less than 5% Christian in only 30-35 Years?
Berq says
Why all over the world christians love Israel,because apostle paul says in the book of Romans that I speak the truth in Christ-I am not lying,my conscience confirms.It in the holy spirit-I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.For I could wish that I myself,were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,those of my own race,the people of Israel.God says about Israel in the book of Zechariah,For who ever touches you touches the apple of his eye.And the Lord promises to Bless Jerusalem.Muslims claim for Jerusalem is false.
annieoakley says
Christy,
Give it up. You cannot convince a one-celled microbe that the religion-of-pieces-of -women-children is anything to be exalted or even faintly praised.
Jen says
@zaaphod
Yes, but what we should be talking about is what is relevant *today.* None of these other matters are important in light of Islam. Islam is the problem and the threat we need to focus on. Not any historical event or church or other religion.
These are ploys by Muslims to behave as though their “religion” even deserves the faintest of praise. None of it changes anything to do with Islam and the problem it is causing today. It’s not going to re-write the Qur’an and take Muhammad down as “Prophet” is it?
The only thing these conversations do is expose the way Muslims think. Which is helpful in some ways.
Jen says
They need to be crushed like bugs, rather than debated with as though they actually *are* on our level. They’re not. Their “religious” beliefs are absolutely abhorrent.
Once we break through the barriers and manage to educate people, we will no longer need to debate with them.
We will simply say: Islam is evil. This is why. Piss off with all your other distractions. People are dying. We don’t want to hear it.
Jay Boo says
Nice segue away from Muslim crimes against Christians into “most Christians” blah blah after lecturing everyone else about generalizing about Muslims.
Also note: Christy said above,
“Myth No. 2: It’s all about Islam
A disproportionate share of anti-Christian persecution is, indeed, fueled by radical Islam.”
Radical Islam as opposed to moderate Islam in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan where Christianity is thriving unhindered?
The truly sad irony is that Islam and Muhammad are blasphemy of the worst sort.
Jen says
“Radical Islam as opposed to moderate Islam in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan where Christianity is thriving unhindered?”
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LOL. Yes, the very “moderate” Saudi Arabia where women need an appointed male guardian to use the toilet.
You could almost write an entire book entitled ‘Excuses for the Moderate Muslim’ after reading these comments. I think it would sell like wildfire if you made it in Kindle format.
Wolfgang says
@Christy ….well done ! general sweeping statements !……….lol I know so little about Christian history ?, unlike you I have been involved and worked in ME countries through Open Doors, where have YOU been ?, you quote the Lebanese ……..
Here is quote from Tim Priest a former NSW Police senior Detective…..
(This post is former Sydney police detective Tim Priest’s article “The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia” from The Mackenzie Institute’s WWW site. Lebanese-Christians have been immigrating to Australia for a very long time now and they have assimilated extremely well into Australian society. Present governor of the State of NSW is a distinguished Lebanese-Christian woman. The trouble in Sydney with vicious middle-eastern criminal-gangs only started back when the Hawke-Keating Labor Government let the Lebanese-Muslims – many of them really are displaced Palestinians – from Lebanon’s Hezbollah-controlled Bekkah Valley come into Australia about 30-40 years ago.)
http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/vicious-lebanese-muslim-crime-gangs.html
It was not the Lebanese Christians in crime gangs , but the Muslims.
I can vouch for this from LE experience, look up ” Brother’s for life ” biker gang ( all Muslim mostly Lebanese )
Also Bilal Skaf and his merry Muslim gang of scum, kidnapping and gang raping Aussie girls because they were ” meat ” .
I can go on with dozens of more links and articles but why bother ? you have a issue with Christians don’t you ? ……….
Wolfgang says
@Christy
Islam is a murderous death cult started by raging pedophile, war lord, pervert, psychopathic killer, worshiper of the demonic , you of course know this and yet you have the gall to write what you do no doubt from the safety of a western country, if Islam is your solution then why don’t you go live there permanently ? but of course you won’t do that will you ?
Your mindset ” Christy ” is disturbing along with your warped juvenile views. You can only resort to personal attacks rather than intelligent thought……typical Muslim troll
Bro. Nick says
@ Christy – You talk about the sins of fallen men – NOT ABOUT what “the word of the LORD” says.
I am a Biblical CHRISTian – and my support of ISRAEL is based upon what “the Word of God” tells me as a true believer and follower of
“the Lord Jesus Christ” that I am commanded to do!
– not upon what fallen men do or say – past – OR present – OR future.
By The Grace of “the Lord God Almighty” I will personally continue to obey the commands in “the word of God” – to willingly and joyfully support ISRAEL,the JEWISH people, and an un-divided JERUSALEM “the apple of His eye”.
I and many other Biblical CHRISTians will continue to:
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.”
(Psalm 122:6 [KJV])
– AND to believe “the truth” of the eternal everlasting promise written about ISRAEL in “the word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible:
(1) Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
(Genesis 12:1-3 [KJV])
(3) And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
(4) And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.
(Gen 48:3-4 [KJV])
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deja vu says
The evidence that Christians are severely persecuted by Islamic clerics and regimes does not mean that they are not persecuted by Communists, Hindu nationalists, or Buddhists. Neither does it mean that there is no opposition from Catholics in South America and elsewhere towards Protestant evangelicals. There is.
I am not sure what you mean by ‘Christian radicalism’, though as this is a cut-and-paste job, perhaps the question should be addressed to its author.
However, the topic of this thread is the stand made by an Orthodox priest from Nazareth regarding Muslim persecution in the Middle East – and does not occur sporadically (as it does in other countries) but continually and increasingly, either overtly or covertly, in all Islamic nations without exception.
deja vu says
Methinks the lady protests too much.
I work for the persecuted church throughout the world and devote much of my time to it. Do you?
I also try stick to the topic without making unwarranted assumptions about other contributors, or bandy about ad hominems.
As for caring about Muslims, the persecution of Christians is bringing unprecedented numbers of Muslims to a saving faith in Jesus Christ, and freeing them from the heavy yoke of Islam.
How much do YOU care about Muslims?
LeavingChristy says
You need to get a life, Christy, one that stops defending a false ideology as if it’s legitimate …if you really did your homework, you would know that The Kaaba at Mecca used to be a hole where idols were tossed, and Muhammad wanted to create his own religion since the Jews rejected his weirdness. Anyway, he started going thru his junk pile at the Kaaba and chose the moon god (he probably thought the crescent looked really neat that was on the idol’s chest)
So the moon god is allah!! Only an idol, not the true God of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob
Homer says
Where were you when Christian Marxists killed Hindu activists and oppressed animistic tribals in Orissa? Apparently, you only noticed when those tribals – who in other circumstances are never called ‘Hindus’ by people like you – started to retaliate. Same goes for India’s North-East, where large-scale ethnic cleansing of Hindus and animists by Christians – again often Marxists – has been going on for a long time without anybody noticing.
And on a much larger scale the same goes for Hindu – Muslim violence, like for example the 2003 Gujarat riots: only when Hindus stop behaving like willing victims of genocide the world takes notice, spreads lies, and blames the Hindus.
voegelinian says
Straw man. Nobody here is saying that the only persecutors of Christians are Muslims. Christy is trying to deflect from the human rights catastrophe Muslims are causing by their outrageously fanatical and violent persecution of Christians in several countries. In addition to this straw man, Christy asserts (without a shred of evidence) that there exists an abundance of Christian-Muslim Kumbaya harmony — and even if this red herring were true, it does nothing to minimize the aforementioned human rights catastrophe. (As for Christy’s canard that “Muslims kill Muslims” — all that tends to demonstrate is the pathology in Islamic culture; we already know that Muslims suffer at the hands of other Muslims — that’s part of the disease of internecine fanaticism with which Islam is rife, and which explains why Muslims are pestering and persecuting and pillaging non-Muslims from the Pacific to the Atlantic.)
deja vu says
Homer: Where were you when Christian Marxists killed Hindu activists and oppressed animistic tribals in Orissa?
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A ‘Christian Marxist’ is an oxymoron. Your argument stops right there. It is impossible to be both a Marxist and a Christian.
As Jesus taught in Matthew 6:24, “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.”
So who is it to be for ‘Christian marxists’ – Jesus Christ or the atheist Communist Karl Marx?
Jen says
YES, the truth being spoken! Praise be to God 😉 (not Allah).
Israel is the only country that wants to be civilized, unlike the surrounding Islamic hell holes.
Do these brainless Muslims defending Islam on JW ever wonder why countries run by their own coreligionists are disasters? Probably not. All part of the illogical Muslim logic which plagues the adherents of the Religion of Death.
Jen says
My ancestry.
Oh oh oh….And my, my, my BRAIN?! Maybe my eyes as well….Or my ears??!!!
Jen says
Christy.
My family have been victims of Islamic violence on both sides. One more recently, the other in history.
Your coreligionists act like dogs. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Which is why our area is filled with troops who constantly have to monitor Muslims (what a waste of money) and stop them from kidnapping people at their whim.
You are so ghastly that I cannot even be bothered to take you seriously. You’re just another Muslim, another Islam defender, who masquerades as a “decent” human being.
Everyone here can see what you are through your comments. It’s not about hysterics. You’re just scum. Plain and simple.
Jen says
Bohoo “Christy.” Back to this again, are we.
Don’t even care what you have to say, to be honest. I come across comments like yours, almost on a daily basis while reading about Islam. There’s always some Islam defender somewhere.
All I want is for your “religion” to die so I can safely visit my family in peace. I imagine, almost everyone who suffers because of Islam firsthand would say the same.
We don’t give a sh*t about your excuses or distractions. Drop your horrible “religion” and then we can start looking at you all like you’re sane human beings.
Western Canadian says
Again the muslima troll calling herself Christy, makes an ass out of herself….. you must admit, she is VERY good at it, probably due to endless and intense practice.
The Crusades? When the west fought back against an unprovoked and criminal attack and occupation of Christians. Complete with the usual islmaic love of rape, butchery, theft, sadism, child kidnapping and rape, mass murder etc. Yes, you are right!! How DARE anyone oppose muslims leading a propery Islamic life!!
Inquisition?? You obviously know nothing about the inquisition, or you would not be fool and ass enough to mention them…. Applied only to RC’s, strict limits on who, what, when and why, fewer deaths over several centuries than one day in New York, on a September 11th a number of years ago. Again, this troll demonstrates the maxim that only extremely ignorant and hate filled people endlessly involve themselves in trolling.
Mark says
The reason(s) Christians are not being singled out in the occupied areas is because they have already been jailed for reading the gospel in public. Sure the occupiers of Palestine may not outright chop heads off. But rest assured that an ethnic cleansing happens daily against the oldest Christian (Palestinian) sects in the world.
The invaders that call themselves IsRaEl will run a Christian out of their homes, burn their gardens and bulldoze/shoot any who protest.
The going jail term is 5 years in prison for preaching the gospel in occupied Palestine.
MOH says
Bullshit. Can you give an actual example? I doubt it.
Kepha says
@deja vu, Christy, Berq and others:
I do not have to be told about non-Islamic persecution of Christians. I’ve lived in the Far East as both a private citizen and an American diplomat, and even wrote some of the cables (under my real name) about persecution of Christians in China back in the 1990’s. I’m even aware of how militant Bamar Buddhists treat their Christian Kachin and Karen minorities.
As for a “narrow segment of American Protestants”, I don’t have to be a Dispensational premil to be pro-Israel. Indeed, as an adherent of the older confessional Reformed orthodoxy, I hold that the Chosen of God are gathered about the Messiah, not some piece of ground in the ME (and since Paul has been brought up, these elect folk are from both the Jews and Gentiles, which is Paul’s way of saying “from all humanity”). Further, I emphatically believe that the Gospel is about the grace of Christ, not the race of Christ. But like the Rev. Gabriel, I see that Israel has a much better track record in its treatment of minorities than any other country in the region, respects the liberties of its citizens of all origins, and I feel compelled to respect that.
Rev. Gabriel confesses the Jewish origins of the Messiah and the Christian faith in his speech; and holds that Jewish and Christian destinies are intertwined. As for his part of the world, he is clearly correct. I pray that the Lord will protect and prosper his efforts to place the persecution of the world’s oldest Christian communities on the diplomatic agenda.
Nor are we using the persecution of Christians to attack Muslims as individuals, even if we see the clear contribution of Islamic theology and doctrine to such persecution. I, for one, absolutely refuse to join with those who would outlaw the Kosher or Halal slaughter of animals, since I see these as covered under America’s First Amendment–although I also see that Messiah’s coming makes all foods clean (Mark 7, Acts 10). If such things as the girls wearing the hijab and halal slaughter were the only issue people had with Muslims, I’d defend the Muslims–even if I am also ready to take up arms to keep my community from becoming another Malmo. As a mission-minded Christian, I am also wary about declaring bombs-and-guns inter-civilizational war, since we are, in our times, seeing an unprecedented openness to the Gospel on the part of Muslims, and I would not want to spoil God’s harvest apparently being gathered in God’s way. Sure, as a Christian, I believe Islam to be false and the Qur’an full of blasphemies and lies. But if this means I have to be in a shooting war with Muslims, it means I also have to be in a shooting war with lots of others, too–and mine is the religion that admonishes me to seek peace with all as much as it is up to me.
Bob says
Yes , I am sure you are right. And do you notice the faces of all those around this priest? They look bored or mad, but certainly not concerned.
The fact is, the UN is no longer about peace, hasn’t been for many years, most if the member countries are despots and why it’s even relevant anymore is the 64K question
deja vu says
Kepha, interesting response, much of which I’m in accord with.
But I’m not sure why I was included in your list as I have already mentioned the great harvest of Muslims (and others) coming to a saving faith in Jesus as the result of increasing persecution. And I rejoice that so many are escaping from darkness into Light.
As for halal killing, there is a difference between finding it both inhumane and distasteful, and accepting that Jesus has made all foods clean. I don’t object to it on the grounds that it will harm our health, but I do object to the killing chains facing Mecca, the insistence on the importation of slaughtermen from Islamic nations, and the dedication to Allah intoned over every animal as it has its throat cut.
Many also resent the imposition of halal approved labels on numerous everyday products. The accompanying hefty fees (tax) collected by the Halal Certification Authority are making hundreds of millions of dollars out of our producers and manufacturers annually, thus adding to the cost of living. What purpose this tax is used for is not disclosed. But there are those who have reason to believe it goes to fund the jihad against the free world.
While understanding that Australia and NZ have had no option but to trade with Islamic nations in SE Asia and the ME since the UK joined the EU, it doesn’t sit well with the majority population of non-Islamic food producing nations, such as ours, to have our choice of foodstuffs compromised, and our manufacturers heavily taxed by an outside agency, simply so that they can export their goods.
Jack Diamond says
The problem with halal meat, beyond animal cruelty and consecrating the food to the unholy deity, is that it is an intentional wedge to push push push shari’a on us. It is a political tactic of colonization. Like the mosques themselves that are the queen bee of the new colony that take over and ruin an infidel community. Everything shari’a is ibadat, a religious regulation and obligation, from the mosque to the jihad. It’s all doctrinal. But, there is no Qur’anic requirement for halal meat. The meat of the People of the Book is allowed the Muslims (5:3) “the food (including meat) of the people of the Scripture is lawful to you and yours to them.” This use of halal meat to signify a separate Muslim identity is simply to push and impose that identity. So schools/shops go to halal as the Muslim population (and loud demand) grows and employ Muslim suppliers in the process. A rehearsal for further demands. Just as the hijab becomes a symbol to the kafir that Islam is here and taking over.
Jen says
I agree with you deja vu about halal. I don’t want these halal labels in our country. But even more importantly, I don’t support animal cruelty for any reason. Farming of animals for commercial purposes is already cruel enough, never mind halal. I don’t accept the “free range” eggs either, as there is evidence that some providers use eggs that aren’t actually free range, despite their labels. All cost saving measures. The other thing is that, “free range” could mean there are still too many animals in one area so they aren’t truly free at all.
For that reason, I don’t eat meat or animal products any longer. It’s much nicer to eat non-processed fruits and vegetables anyway. Although Christianity doesn’t forbid the eating of meat, I choose to use my own feeling about it which I think is more compassionate. The way I like to see it is “They might not be able to do maths like me, but they are still able to feel pain like me.” Animals cry when they’re being hurt, so who am I to decide that their suffering is worth less than mine? Especially when I have the means to avoid it? (i.e. I’m not living with a scarcity of food).
Jen says
I just want to highlight something for people here who are against Islam.
Almost every time I go looking on internet forums and read the comments, I find a Muslim defending Islam by trying to tell people who condemn what it teaches, that they “don’t know what they’re talking about” because “they haven’t seen it first-hand” or they “don’t have any Muslim friends.”
Do NOT allow these people to discredit you and your arguments against what Islam teaches. Keep PUSHING and telling the truth to as many people as possible.
I have *seen* blown out buildings that resulted from Muslim suicide bombers, by walking along the street nearby. It does NOT make any difference whether you walk past it on the street in “real life” or you see a photo or a video of it on the internet. The damage is obvious whether you see it in person, or through pictures. Innocent people still died.
The point is, IT HAPPENED.
Do not let Muslims who defend Islam tell you that you have “no right” to speak about atrocities because you haven’t seen it in person.
Islam doesn’t have the truth on its side- it will lose this battle eventually. We won’t allow all the countless people who have died or who are suffering as we speak to be in vain. So keep defending your position. You are in the right.
dumbledoresarmy says
Jen
well said. Excellent ripostes to the sinister “Christy”.
I’ve been reading here since late 2006 and posting since April 2007 so I’ve seen a lot of comments from people of all kinds of backgrounds. Comments good, very good, so-so, and plain awful.
Can I just say that I have been enjoying reading your comments and hope that you stick around and become a “regular”??
We *need* you. The more like you we have here, the better to educate the many, many uninformed – or misinformed – non-Muslims who visit here every day and lurk and read over our shoulders as we write.
Jen says
I will stick around as a regular. As horrible as it makes me feel on a daily basis to read these stories, I can’t forget all the stories of people who are suffering because of this. It’s overwhelming and impossible to turn away from.
Then I think about my own life. Right now, I’d be having fun with my extended family. I intended on visiting for an extended period before all this ISIS hideousness become really apparent. Now I’m too afraid because I know you can find Muslims everywhere who are proud of their caliphate which means, in my mind, you’re more likely to be kidnapped. And really…Does dressing up as a MUSLIM (the enemy “religion”) to disguise my non-Muslim status really make for pleasant trip? I did it last time, but I actually think I would absolutely *refuse* this time out of my sheer *loathing* for this “religion” and what it is doing to people right now. Word about somebody new to the area spreads fast in some places in the world because people are so community oriented. And I have little kid cousins who might tell their friends at school that their foreign relative is visiting, and some of those school friends might be MUSLIM; and who knows if their parents are jihadists. All down hill from there……
I won’t lie. I hate these people who defend Islam, more and more everyday. Not many things make me *seethe* to this level. If I could meet these Muslim defenders of Islam in person, I would open the Qur’an and shove it in their face, and make them answer me as to what the *hell* they think they are doing, defending this sick book; a book directly responsible for these atrocities. Along with sick Mo of course.
At one point, I actually used to defend Muslims and dismiss these ideas I was told about them killing infidels as part of their “religion.” I could actually not believe it until I *read* it. It allll makes sense once you read. You can cast your mind back to incidents and piece bits together. Sometimes their behaviour is bizarre, but when you realise that this hatred for non-Muslims is mandated by their “religion,” the behaviour makes perfect sense. Naturally though, while you are dressed as a Muslim, they are friendly to you since they assume you’re another death cultist member.
There’s no room for Islam on this earth. It has to go. This “thing” is not a religion.
dumbledoresarmy says
Oh, it’s a religion – an *evil* religion in which murder, robbery and rape – all on the grand scale – are framed as acts of *worship* so long as they are carried out upon the Designated Prey Animals (non-Muslim humans).
Religions can be evil, flamboyantly so.
There were the Canaanites who used to sacrifice their infant children to Moloch.
There were the Aztecs who used to go to war in order to catch people whom they would then sacrifice to their gods.
The Incas used to sacrifice their own children. Not on the same grand scale as the Canaanites, but…they did it. The bodies have been found, ritually garbed and quite clearly deliberately *murdered*, in the high Andes.
The thuggees were *both* an extortion/ organised crime outfit *and* a “religion” or cult, performing human sacrifices.
Kumasi in west Africa was a focus of human sacrifice; and there is fairly solid reason to believe that ancient northwest European tribes such as the Celts practised human sacrifice as well.
The ancient pagan Greek cults of Bacchus and of Cybele were bloody; it wasn’t just wild animals that Bacchus’ maenads seized in the woods and tore to pieces, it could be *humans* as well.
Islam belongs in the same general category as the aforementioned, and is probably worse than all of them, excepting perhaps the Aztec system (though at least the Aztecs had art and music, so they were not *quite* as totally antihuman as Islam is).
Jen says
I know…but I refuse to call it a religion. I prefer to call it a “religion” or a “thing.” It needs to be taken off its pedestal. Most people in the world think of a religion as something sacred. So when de-legitimizing Islam, it is better to run its reputation into the ground by refusing to call it a religion. Then people can stop mistaking it for being as harmless as Christianity and start looking at it as a nasty ideology. Which is what it is.
It’s just so revolting to me. I’ve had enough.
Jen says
The thing about Islam which is so dangerous is that unlike other cults, it is placed alongside Christianity and Judaism as though they are equals. They teach it in schools for goodness sake. This is why I couldn’t believe it until I read about Islam from the actual source.
Salah says
@Christy
You wrote:
“So if a few Muslims do something bad, that gives you the right to demonize ALL 1.6 billion of them?”
You’re absolutely right, we should never demonize all Muslims. And we’re not.
We’re demonizing Islam, we’re demonizing its teachings, we’re demonizing its founder. Yes, Muhammad was an evil man, a sexually impotent pervert.
You don’t need to take our word for it. All you need to do is to read your “holy” books, you know, the ones you never read.
Check out this pps, please download it, and take the time to follow all the links to the most trusted islamic sources.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
Jen says
Salah, why assume that Muslims don’t read their “holy” books. Especially this frequent Islam apologist here.
It’s not as if the Qur’an is a hugely long book that would take decades to read. To assume their ignorance about violent “holy” books is absurd when these literate apologists are capable of visiting websites which show Muslim atrocities on a daily basis.
They know what Mo did for goodness sake. You can’t visit a blog like JW as often as some of these Islam apologists do, without tripping over his vile ways.
Jen says
And another thing.
It’s blatantly obvious that it is “impossible” to “demonize” all Muslims. I haven’t met every single Muslim on the planet, have you?
But I have read the comments of this “Christy” individual here, and she makes a point of constantly posting these things on Robert’s blog posts about Christian persecution. Always. She can’t post on any of the other blog posts because Muslims having just killed somebody is not a grey area where any doubt can be cast as to what happened.
The “you can’t demonize all Muslims” is the same old tripe response that they use when they call people “racists” or “Islamophobes” to shame people into silence when commenting on their “religion.”
Instead of actually ignoring this self-made victim, you go ahead and take the one sentence she used, the usual tripe sentence to discredit people criticising Islam, and you run with it again by copying and pasting it and agreeing with her!
voegelinian says
Christy, like all Islamopologists and PC MCs, is setting up a false dilemma between
1) “all” Muslims are terrorists
2) only a tiny minority of extremists are terrorists.
The fallacy they purvey is that unless you agree to characterize the problem as #2, you must be advocating #1.
The real problem, however, is between these two poles — and by virtue of being between them, it also has two additional qualities:
a) it is systemic (it can not be limited to a tiny minority, it is much more broad-based)
b) it is metastasizing (it is getting worse, spiralling out of control).
It is either obtuse or sly to insist, as Christy implies, that if we describe the problem as (a) — systemic — we are somehow damning “ALL 1.6 billion of them” (and notice her sleight-of-hand with the numbers, through the special Jihad of the Fudge Numbers adding 0.3 billion more Muslims to the world).
Jen says
That is a good way of expressing it. Exactly right. And yes, “Christy” is a dishonest person who knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s probably been using that same pity party excuse to defend Islam on all other internet forums as well. It’s like a brain disease with these self-made victims.
We need to destroy this ridiculous idea by busting through with our “truth” propaganda, when talking about Islam. Otherwise, people revert to these stupid ways of thinking about things. It’s disarming to our stance, for people to say it must be either X or Y. It’s not in either neat category, but it is systemic problem nonetheless! GOOD way to describe this.
Larry A. Singleton says
United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA) And the European Union (EU) 8-2-14
The UNRWA Is Hamas (The Jewish Press)
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-unrwa-is-hamas/2014/08/07/
Senior UN Official Accused of Aiding Hamas (United With Israel)
http://unitedwithisrael.org/senior-un-official-accused-of-aiding-hamas/?comment_id=749513301756753
Ban Tyrants From Sitting On UN Rights Body (Forbes 7-24-14)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/07/24/ban-tyrants-from-sitting-on-un-rights-body/
The Council’s branding of itself as a “human rights” body is a false and misleading claim that the Federal Trade Commission would have prosecuted years ago if UNHRC was somehow subject to truth in advertising rules. China, Russia, Cuba and Saudi Arabia currently sit on this “human rights” body, aided and abetted by legions of other theocracies, kleptocracies, and tin pot serial human rights abusers.
Also watch the video and reaction to UN Watch-sickening.
Col. Richard Kemp Testifies at U.N. on the IDF (israeli defence forces) (You Tube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM0fTss0UX4&feature=youtu.be
The United Nations “Human Rights” Council by Denis MacEoin (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4573/united-nations-human-rights-council
“When anyone tries to take the floor of the United Nations Human Rights Council and reveal the truth about abusive states, watch the abusers press their buzzers and demand that the truth-teller be stopped from speaking”
Christian priest tells UN: Israel is the only Middle Eastern country not persecuting its Christians (Jihad Watch)
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/christian-priest-tells-un-israel-is-the-only-middle-eastern-country-not-persecuting-its-christians
“The impact of the OIC and its many backers in Africa and elsewhere has led to a cynical failure on the part of the UN…”
How the UN Oppresses the Islamic World by Roger L Simon (PJ Media)
http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2014/08/12/how-the-un-oppresses-the-islamic-world/
Anne Bayefsky-Islam Hijacking the UN Human Rights Council (You Tube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZTQylcnjF8
Full Lecture
http://fora.tv/2007/10/30/Islamophobia
Anne Bayefsky spoke against top UN Official Richard Falk’s report on supposed Israeli human rights abuses at the 23rd Regular Session of the Human Rights Council in Geneva. (Brilliant!) (Breitbart)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/10/Anne-Bayefsky-Stands-up-Against-Hours-of-UN-Israel-bashing
Anne Bayefsky Stands up Against Hours of UN Israel-Bashing (Richard Falk) (Breitbart)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/10/Anne-Bayefsky-Stands-up-Against-Hours-of-UN-Israel-bashing
The Cairo Speech by Anne Bayefsky (National Review)
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/182912/print
“F**k the EU” Is Right: The World Would Be Better Off Without It by Peter Martino (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4167/nuland-ukraine-eu
UNRWA Betrays Its Mission by Nitza Nachmias (Middle East Quarterly)
http://www.meforum.org/3354/unrwa-mission
Some UNRWA Refugees Have Resettled by Emanuel Marx (MEQ)
http://www.meforum.org/3364/unrwa-refugees-resettled
Why a Special Issue on UNRWA? by Steven J. Rosen (MEF)
http://www.meforum.org/3344/unrwa-special
UNRWA’s Anti-Israel Bias by Arlene Kushner (MEF)
http://www.meforum.org/2996/unrwa-anti-israel-bias
Teaching “The Right of Return” in UNRWA Schools by Dr. Arnon Groiss (pdf)
http://israelbehindthenews.com/library/pdfs/RightofReturninUNRWASchools.pdf
The Center for Near East Policy Research LTD. (Isreael Behind the News)
http://israelbehindthenews.com/library/pdfs/RightofReturninUNRWASchools.pdf
UNRWA Resists Resettlement by Alexander H. Joffe (MEF)
http://www.meforum.org/3350/unrwa-resettlement
Washington’s Failure to Rein in UNRWA by Asaf Romirowsky (MEF)
http://www.meforum.org/3367/unrwa-state-department
Lessening UNRWA’s Damage by Steven J. Rosen and Daniel Pipes (Daniel Pipes)
http://www.danielpipes.org/11583/unrwa-damage
Camp Jihad UN/US Palestine Probaganda and brainwashing (You Tube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbrafPTe_LQ#at=211
Michael Coren & David Harris – Palestinian terrorist training camps for kids (You Tube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtsZXCLD1Lc
EU Brags About Pouring $ Billions into Failed Terrorist Entity by: Lori Lowenthal Marcus (Jewish Press)
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/eu-brags-about-pouring-billions-into-failed-terrorist-entity/2014/05/29/0/?print
The Changing Face of European Politics? by Gary J. Robinson (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4247/european-parliament-eurosceptics
Europe: Islamic Fundamentalism is Widespread by Soeren Kern (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
What Are Kerry and Europe Really About? by Daoud Assaf (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4177/john-kerry-europeans
Is the EU Deploying a Double Standard toward Israel? (The Jerusalem Center/You Tube video) Is the European Union consistent in restricting economic activity in Israel’s disputed territories? How does the EU operate in occupied territories such as Morocco, N. Cyprus and Kashmir? Double standard? Watch the video and judge for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJerusalemCenter
EU, U.S., Funding Incentives to Kill Jews by Guy Millière (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4384/eu-us-funding-palestinians
The Disquieting Treatment of Christians by the Palestinians by Michael Curtis (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2838/palestinians-christians
Human Rights Watch Protects the Arab Tyrants by Gerald M. Steinberg (MEQ) http://www.meforum.org/3564/human-rights-watch
Selling Out to Soros by Gerald Steinberg (NGO Monitor)
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/selling_out_to_soros
Larry A. Singleton says
Uh-oh. Hope I didn’t shoot my big mouth off about this. Finally figure out the “Notify me of follow-up comments by email” feature. I’ve been jumping through all these hoops when all I had to do is click on the item at the top of my email. Oops.
Champ says
Christy, please forgive us …we didn’t realize that you are the queen of travel and have taken precious time out of your busy schedule and come down from your thrown to impart truth and wisdom upon our weak and feeble minds–oh, how gracious and kind of you to come and mingle with the lil’ people for a bit, your Heinous!
Champ says
LOL!!!! …I meant your ‘Highness’ ..what a fantastic and perfect typo! 😀
Mirren10 says
🙂
Nice one, Champ !
Champ says
Thanks, Mirren10! 😉
Jen says
Haha! I laugh so hard when I read some of these comments by Muslims trying to defend the indefensible Islam. Almost every argument from every Muslim is identical.
The amusing thing is that “Christy” talks about historical events which obviously occurred before she was born (which means she could not have been present at the time it happened), and then immediately turns around and gives people a hard time for not having seen something first hand. She asked whether I’ve been through a checkpoint before (which I have). But maybe I should ask her if she battled in the Crusades, since she implies that people who haven’t seen something firsthand are incapable of commenting on it!
Fail…
Champ says
So true, Jen! ..yeah and “Christy” is rather FULL of herself ..what a bother.
Wolfgang says
@ Christy
you are a whack job you know that ? do you even know what a Christian is ?
” A true Christian is a person who has put faith and trust in the person and work of Jesus Christ, including His death on the cross as payment for sins and His resurrection on the third day. John 1:12 tells us, “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4, 10). A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Jesus Christ.
http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-a-Christian.html
Any person can claim they are ” Christian ” with a cross around their neck and go three times a year to a church, the only definition that counts is how Strong’s Concordance describes a Christian : ” one who is Christ like in both action and deed and submits to his precepts “.
quote:
Unfortunately over time, the word “Christian” has lost a great deal of its significance and is often used of someone who is religious or has high moral values but who may or may not be a true follower of Jesus Christ. Many people who do not believe and trust in Jesus Christ consider themselves Christians simply because they go to church or they live in a “Christian” nation.
As for quoting the teachings of Jesus, go ahead quote me the violent teachings of Jesus chapter and verse, I can wait. Put up or shut up, simple formula.
” If you really knew the teachings of Jesus, Christians should not be complaining,” he reportedly said.)
……………………That so called official is a plain idiot and fool.
So all your blather shows that you have no idea of what a “Christian ” really is.
I can quote you direct from the Bible if you like, perhaps that would suit you better ?
Bro. Nick says
@ Wolfgang – Very sound Biblical thought, for:
“Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”
(Prov 27:17 [KJV])
(12) FOR THE WORD OF GOD IS QUICK, AND POWERFUL,
AND SHARPER THAN ANY TWOEDGED SWORD,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
(Heb 4:12-13 [KJV])
– CAPITALization and emphasis of Holy Scripture mine – Bro. Nick
.
Wolfgang says
@Bro.nick
Thanks……..see ? country boys can think too despite what some on here say…we just talk slowwwww to confuse all ýa ! : )
Mo says
@ Christy
“The point is that extremism and intolerance of whatever stripe, not Islam, is the threat.”
There is no “Christian radicalism”. There are no open-ended commands for Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers or anyone else. That’s why there are no Jews or Christians committing such acts, all over the world, on a regular basis, in obedience to such commands.
You will not and cannot name one, because they don’t exist.
Now, anything to say on ISLAM?
Be gone, troll.
Mo says
@ Christy
“It’s very funny, I don’t see any of you attacking the Talmud with 1/100 of the vitriol that you use to attack Islam. ”
Ha ha! Here we go. I love how telling the truth about the death cult of Islam is always called “attacking”. (While the actual ATTACKS perpetrated by the followers of the child rapist and warlord Mohammad are ignored.)
Show me the verses in the OT or the NT that are open-ended commands for Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers. Or against anyone.
When you’re done providing that evidence, show me where Jews or Christians are committing such acts, all over the world, on a regular basis, in obedience to those commands.
You know you won’t do it. You know it!
Be gone, troll.
Mo says
@ Christy
Where’s my answer? Where’s my evidence?
Or are you going to ignore me, as happens every single time I ask for this evidence?
Mo says
@ Christy
“Why don’t you answer my question first? What do you think of the fact that the Talmud refers to Jesus as the bastard son of a whore who practiced sorcery by means of his membrum and how they now believe that he is boiling in human waste in the afterlife? Where is your people’s “outrage” over that?”
LOL!
Judaism is neither the focus of this site, the focus of this article, nor is it the source of the oppression and slaughter we see on nearly a daily basis.
Now, provide your evidence. You know you have ZERO. You know it.
Deal with ISLAM.
Richard Sherman says
1. The Jews did not kill Jesus. The.Romans killed Jesus. The Jews had no more power to order someone executed under the Romans than they did under the Nazis.
2. Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Judaism begins with the first page of the Old Testament and ends with the last page of the Old Testament.
Western Canadian says
According to Jew hating loons (like this one….), the Talmud also dismisses raping children as of no matter…. It does no such thing, but hatred blinds these vicious loons to the truth…
Champ says
“Christy” complains of the Talmud concerning Jesus, BUT mohammedans have Jesus Christ completely wrong, too …
More importantly, the Jews do not pose a threat to world peace; and not all muslims are terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorists ARE muslims–so islam & company are enemy #1!
“Christy”, the queen of travel and great knowledge, is grossly incapable of focusing on the real enemy: islam & company–tsk, tsk!
deja vu says
Christy, you’ve not yet mentioned the ‘fact’ that at Passover the Jews use the blood Palestinian children to make their matzos. It was repeated by Hamas as recently as August this year.
You’re slipping.
Kepha says
Yes, I have read Tractate Sanhedrin and find its assessment of Jesus wrong and evil. But I can walk in an area full of Chasidim or Mitnagedim and be pretty sure that nobody will try to chop off my head or groom my granddaughter for illegal sex.
Alissa says
Here we go again. The same old dumass Muslim strategy:
1. provoke your opponent by making outrageous untrue statements
2. deny the obvious when faced up with the facts
3. accuse your opponent of…you guessed it…islamaphobia and pretend your feewings are hurt like a 2 year old, and,
all the while, talk over your opponent incessantly (as in Choudry) when it’s their turn to talk making it difficult for fair debate
Stinky, greasy, backward, murdering, raping, evil liars
Western Canadian says
Since the Talmud says no such thing, due to the individual being referenced NOT being the one who is the subject of the new testament, Christy (Abdul/abdula) is merely demonstrating her ability to remain ignorant as the result of extreme effort, her extreme dishonesty, and her bigotry and hatred. No such thing appears in the Talmud. Period.
Thinking From First Principles says
I have tried to post twice now and am being stopped and getting a message as follows:
You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
marc says
strange, i see this comment?
mach37 says
Christy, the Talmud and Judaism is not attacked because it doesn’t call for murder, maiming, and doing other horrendous things to people who disagree with the tenets of their faith.
deja vu says
Richard Sherman: Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Judaism begins with the first page of the Old Testament and ends with the last page of the Old Testament.
——————————————————————————————————
This is a common misconception. Jesus doesn’t suddenly make an appearance in the NT, but is referred to in prophecy throughout the OT. He is not named Yeshua until his incarnation, but there are many references to Him, too numerous to list here. A few examples are: Isaiah 7:14, 9:6 and Isaish 53, Micah 5:2, Zechariah 9:9 and Psalm 22, for starters. All refer to the coming Messiah, God incarnate, who was redeem the lost and pay the ultimate price for the sins of mankind.
Richard Sherman says
Christians are free to interpret Jewish scripture any way they want. However the clear fact remains that Jesus Christ is not mentioned in the Old Testament…Further there is a 2000 to 3000 year gap between the writing of the Old Testament and the New Testament…and further that the four men who wrote the New Testament had to beg the Romans for every breath of air they breathed.
Kepha says
If the four Evangelists had to beg the Romans for their every breath, how come they present Pontius Pilate as a cynical careerist, and other Roman officials as sometimes capricious (Luke, writing in the book of Acts)? How come John and Peter both describe Rome as “Babylon” (with all the connotations that has from the Old Testament)? How come Paul describes much of his contemporary Roman culture as a corrupt fruit of idolatry that needs to change?
i’m aware of a school of thought that wants to say that the whole of the NT is an attempt to dissociate Christianity from Judaism after the 70 A.D. war and ingratiate the Christian movement with the Roman Empire, but as I read the NT and consider this thesis, I can only scratch my head and say “Huh?”
Wolfgang says
@Richard Sherman
You got that one wrong buddy…..put up or shut up.,show it from the Bible ( if you can )
Richard Sherman says
Dictators are often capricious and will allow a certain amount of criticism or satire up to a point. Those who survive such as the four evangelists understood that their Roman masters had a line they could not cross. So they created the historical fiction(impossibility) that the Jews under Roman rule could decide who lived and who died. The Jews had no life and death power under Roman rule…anymore than they had life and death power under Nazi rule. It was a fiction that allowed the four evangelists to continue breathing.
Jen says
Look at this.
This is standard Muslim response. She’s doing it again.
Pay attention to the patterns in what these Muslims do. This is not UN- ISLAMIC behaviour. It is run- of-the-mill, Muslim behaviour.
When you try to express your horrible experiences in dealing with Muslims, you will NOT expect to receive ANY kind of sympathy from a MUSLIM. Really…never. Not in a sincere manner.
They think they’re better than us (the non-Muslim) because they’re Muslim (even as ridiculous as that seems). They think they are part of the Chosen Religion. The people who aren’t Muslims are ‘unbelievers’ and therefore, filthy.
She’s called my stories a “sob story.” Just the same way as the other Muslim from the other day on JW called my story “tales” and “what kind of stories is this.”
The OTHER Muslim on here, who also dismissed my stories, did the *identical* thing to what “Christy” is doing here.
He first tried to imply that *nobody* writing on JW, had the “right” to comment on Muslim behaviour. What he said instead was, “Have you ever been with a Muslim?”
In other words- you have no RIGHT to comment on Muslim atrocities. You don’t have any Muslim friends.
When I hit back at him to let him know that I HAVE known Muslim behaviour, he immediately turns around and dismisses what I have to say, using the identical response that “Christy” has done.
“Christy” has called them “sob stories” and called me “pathetic.”
The other Muslim, called my story “what kind of stories is this” and “this is not Muslim behaviour” and he called them “tales.” (so as if to imply that they aren’t really the vile incidents of Muslim behaviour that they actually are).
Everything about their choice of words is to minimise the behaviour of their own fellow Muslims.
When criticising non-Muslims who are expressing disdain for their “religion” they have no hesitation to brand people as “Islamophobes” or “racists”, knowing full well, that this is slur to us (civilized people).
“Christy” and other Muslims in this world are threatened by the idea of people who ACTUALLY HAVE dealt with Muslims directly, to tell their stories.
They can’t dismiss what we’re saying because they recognise their own Muslim behaviour in the very things that *I* and others have described.
It’s called the TRUTH. Muslims are Truthaphobic.
I know that I’m far superior in moral character to “Christy,” even just by reading her comments. As are, all the other people commenting on JW.
“Christy” is just your usual Muslim scum.
Keep defending your positions, JW readers. You are in the right. Muslims are not.
Jen says
And the other funny thing about this:
“Christy” is essentially denying that this dog-like behaviour is usual Muslim behaviour. That’s why she says we are not allowed to “demonize” Muslims, for the behaviour of “a few.”
However in the way that she writes and in the *things* that she says, she is just reaffirming what I’m saying!
What an idiot…………..
Jen says
Also note.
Muslims behave like we don’t have a right to be outraged at what they are doing, even when it’s terrible. In the same way that the Muslim woman Rezali who frequently posts on JW, seems to think that the West doesn’t have a right to defend itself by coming down on their imposed Islamic culture like a ton of bricks.
Even if that means we have to use sting operations to weed out dishonest people. No, no. That would be oppression, you see (even though only dishonest people would take the police bait in the first place).
As “Christy” here, conforming to the usual Islamic thinking, has said. My justifiable outrage at how Muslims have treated my family is merely “hysterics.”
So when they’re wanting to invade our country and fly their black flag over it; they the Muslims, being the perpetual self-made victims that they are, think that any strong response to their ghastly behaviour is unjustified.
The West needs to come down on these people like a ton of bricks. Their values are completely inconsistent with ours on so many levels. How many more examples do we need to realise this?
Wolfgang says
@jen
“Christy ” is another taqyya fool, like you , I have spent time with Muslims [ working side by side with them]
1. They don’t assimilate
2. They ALWAYS play the racism card when you tell them what Mo did
3. slyness is part of their culture.
I worked with a Afghan woman for the last 5 years, she spent 30 years living in the west and her English was so sub standard, she associated with Afghans only. I helped her write clinical reports in English.
Her children were better , but they also didn’t western ideas and culture.
Jen says
The more stories that people can share, the better.
The pattern in behaviour is impossible to ignore!
Jen says
Exactly. There is no way in *hell* we are going to throw away the sacrifices of our forebears to allow these Muslim scums like “Christy” to impose their sickening Islamic culture on us.
They can all F**** off, as far as I’m concerned. They’ve already destroyed enough beautiful places in the world. Let’s not allow them to extend their reach.
Hate filled, scum filled, resource-draining people, that they are.
Jen says
I’m intending on starting some kind of group to help educate people. My anger at these vile Muslims who defend Islam has reached catastrophic levels recently.
And also, regardless of the sect of Christianity or any other religion for that matter, we should all stick together. We’re on the same side. Other differences in belief are minor compared to the horrendous Islam and what it hopes to impose on us. So for that reason, other religious places of worship should also have Christians going there and helping to educate them as well (if they aren’t already). Spread the word. It doesn’t matter how it’s done. If you treat this cause of spreading the truth like a business, and you market it as such, I think it will be very effective.
Bro. Nick says
Off the topic of this thread – AND
– This comment is only for those “few”, “the remnant”, “born again”, “converted”, blood-bought, true followers and believers of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – Biblical CHRISTians.
We are to be followers of “the truth” which is found only in “the word of the LORD”, the Holy Bible – Why then are there so many postings that are most unkind, are often quite condescending in their wording, and make dogmatic – broad sweeping statements of fact with no Scriptural verification?
It is my observation that those that make such harsh and adversarial comments are very effectively causing divisions, problems, and in sowing discord amongst and between Brethren – our Brothers and Sisters that we are going to spend all of Eternity worshipping and serving “THE LORD JESUS CHRIST” with!!!
– and –
How many have thought that these adversarial comments and unpleasant name-calling are also very effectively ‘turning off’ unbelievers that observe the ‘dog fights’ and hypocracy of and among those that call themselves ‘christians’!!!
CHRISTians must remember and take absolutely seriously that which we are warned about in “the word of God”:
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
(1 Pet 5:8 [KJV])
“Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.”
(1 Cor 16:17-18 [KJV])
Which do we want to be known as:
(1) A SOFT ANSWER TURNETH AWAY wrath:
but grievous words stir up anger.
(2) THE TONGUE OF THE WISE USETH KNOWLEDGE ARIGHT:
but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
(Prov 15:1-2 [KJV])
– CAPITALization and emphasis of Holy Scripture mine – Bro. Nick
Think about what Psalm 115:1 says!!!
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Wolfgang says
@Bro. Nick
you are correct my friend, I find it amazing that people will attack Christians on here with veiled hate and dig in the claws , it doesn’t faze me, but I am willing to die for the sake of freedom and for my belief for others to disagree with me, but too often people would rather pull down than say ” well OK, I don’t agree with you but lets shake hands ” ….. too many people have a real hate of Christians and Christianity. Sad.
shows to me what people are like, this site is an anti Jihad site.
deja vu says
Wolfgang, I’ve thought about this for a long time and have come to the conclusion that ONLY Jesus gets under people’s skin. You never hear anyone use the name of Mo, Buddha or Krishna as a swear word. Only Jesus rattles them.
Coupled with that is the fact that when a person hates, neglects or mistreats any one of God’s children for His sake, it is equal to hating, neglecting or mistreating Jesus Himself. And they will be judged for it accordingly. We have to work while it is still light to bring the Gospel to those who are perishing.
Matt 25:31-46
Bro. Nick says
@ deja vu – “The truth” of “the word of the LORD” – IN CONTEXT – is always “the truth”, and how we ALWAYS need to remember!!! – the Inspired Words:
(12) FOR THE WORD OF GOD IS QUICK, AND POWERFUL,
AND SHARPER THAN ANY TWOEDGED SWORD,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
(Heb 4:12-13 [KJV])
– AND – our postings should ALWAYS BE:
(1) NOT unto us, O LORD, NOT unto us,
BUT UNTO THY NAME GIVE GLORY, FOR THY MERCY,
AND FOR THY TRUTH’S SAKE.
(2) Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
(3) BUT OUR GOD IS IN THE HEAVENS:
HE HATH DONE WHATSOEVER HE HATH PLEASED.
(4) Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. (5) They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: (6) They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: (7) They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
(Ps 115:1-7 [KJV])
How could the lives of real CHRISTians be used by “the Lord God Almighty” if more of us would actually live our lives with
– ‘NO Reserves, NO Retreat, NO Regret’ for our Lord and Saviour “Jesus the Christ”?
CHRISTians – We need to put on – and keep on the “whole armor of God”
(Eph 6:10-20 | 2 Cor 10:3-5 | James 4:6-10 [KJV])
– AND pray often, with great sincerity, effectually and fervently, and in real humility for the protection, spiritual discernment, wisdom, and guidance of “the Lord God Almighty” for all saints –
(Eph 6:18 | 1 Thess 5:23 [KJV])
– AND for the few truly ‘God called’ Biblically sound Pastors and Teachers – the ‘true Shepherds’ that “the Lord God Almighty” has left to us – worldwide – in these increasingly perilous end times of greater and greater ‘spiritual deception’ – (Amos 8:11-14 [KJV])
– AND for all CHRISTians – in the MID-EAST, and wherever else we live – (Eph 6:18 [KJV])
[the ‘Big Satan’ of the Mohammadens]
– AND for all of the JEWISH people and the land of ISRAEL – (1 Tim 2:1 [KJV])
[the ‘Little Satan’ of the Mohammadens]
– AND for all “kings” – each and every one of the ‘heads of state’ – and for those in authority.
(1 Tim 2:2 [KJV])
– AND for MANY-MANY LOST people everywhere to accept the “free gift” of Biblical Salvation by true belief in “Jesus the Christ”!!! – remembering that:
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
(2 Pet 3:9 || also 1 Tim 2:4 | Ezek 18:30-32 [KJV])
– All CAPITALization and emphasis of Holy Scripture mine – Bro. Nick
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Wolfgang says
@Bro.nick @deja vu @Other Christians on JW
yes, you are both correct in what you say, it really grieves me with sadness that the USA is in such moral and spiritual decline, how can you fight an enemy of the Gospel in the front lines as it were when there are so many people who have humanism in the rear when they both attack the same root ( Christianity ) which is the foundational bedrock of America, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Canada, Germany, France, Russia and many many other countries, they all share the same heritage and foundation, truly that base is being chipped and eaten away by enemies within and those without, many years ago I went out with a girl from Georgia State, in my younger days I was not in the place I am now with my God, she was studying the ” Humanities ” to be a a social worker, I reached a point where I knew it was not going anywhere because I saw the utter nonsense that the esteemed left wing Professors were teaching, they were teaching that gay marriages are fine, abortion is fine, euthanasia was fine, smoking weed was fine, in short there was no morals because no one has the right to tell another what to do.
Both my kids went to a Christian school, we could not stomach what the state mandates is so called ” normal “, look, for me and my house we stand up for decent things, honorable things, respect for the law of the land, respect for the authorities, law and order, my wife and I give to goodwill, we give our time to street mission, handing out blankets and coffee to the poor and give back to the local community , we take in those on the street.
I was in New Orleans when Katrina struck, I saw the National Guard disarm people who would not let looters take their worldly goods, many Police ran away and abandoned their posts, I saw Police loot, I saw people do the most horrendous things to people who could not defend themselves, am I pro firearm ownership ? YES ! am I pro family of one woman marrying one man ? YES !, look if two male men wish to get married and live together, that is their choice, call it anything you like, but please its not marriage ! because its not, too many in the Churches today follow along with what’s trendy in the world, I saw the others that US fish and game are issuing warnings to idiots who are taking selfies with grizzly bears !, such stupid stupid people, a crime scene waiting to happen, as a woodsmen I respect all the animals out there and what they can do if pushed.
There is lots of talk of peoples ” rights “, what about my right to say no ? what about my right to have my kids schooled the way I want ? what about my right to not have my beliefs impinged upon ? what about my right to defend my family lawfully in the face of naked violent aggression ?
Islam is sadly right on one point, the west is in moral decline, Bro Nick , yes , we are really in the last days, so standing firm in Gods moral code and what he wrote down for us is even more imperative today that 500 years ago.
If you have read down this far, stay well and may bless you in all you do today, may God bless all today who stand for morality, civilization , peace and goodwill to all men .
My prayers go out to the soldiers, airmen , marines and men and women who put on a uniform to fight for those who cannot.
II Timothy 3:1-5, NIV. “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.”
All those words written thousands of years ago are in that small passage……..
How Ironic and so few ” see ” themselves in it.
Thanks for reading.
Jen says
Yes, ideally there shouldn’t be too much debating on Christianity all.
We just need to educate people about Islam. Like I said earlier, once we educated people about Islam, we can stop debating with Muslims about events that have no effect on how Muslims will treat non-Muslims. The only purpose for calling Muslims out, is to point out that they are trying to spread misinformation. And to have the conversation to expose the way Muslims think, for the benefit of everyone else.
As said earlier- debating about Christianity or other religions: it’s not going to re-write the Qur’an or take Muhammad down as a “prophet” is it?
People have to be aware that not everyone is religious here. And Christians should not be condescending to people who are not religious or those of other religions either! Major turn-off to anyone who may previously have been interested in becoming a Christian.
I also think it is extremely unhelpful, in the context of what is going on today, for Christians to refer to non-religious people or those of other religions as ‘unbelievers.’ The word in the context of today, has too many negative connotations attached to it. Muslims use this word, and it means a very different thing. Let’s distance ourselves from them as much as possible. We are *not* alike in any shape or form.
As for the Jew-hating comments from some certain “Christians” on here. They should stop doing this. Not only does it have nothing to do with Islam, but it is just embarrassing to be saying it in the first place and really says a lot about the person that they are. Are we not all better than Muslims? No Jew hating. Unacceptable.
voegelinian says
The Counter-Jihad (“such as it is”, as Diana West remarked tartly a couple of years ago) of course continues to be in the predicament of needing a “Big Tent”, as big as possible — though this shouldn’t mean we let in any old riff-raff (conspiracy theorists, anti-semites, etc.).
One problem with certain more or less dubious members (if a group that hasn’t really officially formed yet can even have “members” per se… but I digress) is when they seem to insist that their particular worldview is directly relevant to a proposed solution to the problem of Islam. This can be problematic on two accounts: when other “Big Tent-Members” don’t share their worldview; and when those certain dubious sorts go further, beyond merely proposing a private eccentric Solution, on to defining the problem of Islam according to their worldview (my favorite is, “The problem is not really Islam but rather a Dastardly Cabal of Evil White (perhaps Jewish?) Globalists who are manufacturing this pseudo-problem of Islam” — and not all who advocate this spell it out so candidly, so one must read between the lines sometimes).
voegelinian says
I have gone into this peripheral (but important) problem of the problem in an essay on my blog:
The “Real Problemers”
voegelinian says
Speaking of the Real Problemers, they pop up like mushrooms sometimes in a JW comments section, as for example this recent one.
voegelinian says
Yet another red herring from Christy:
“It’s very funny, I don’t see any of you attacking the Talmud with 1/100 of the vitriol that you use to attack Islam”
When Jews do a 911, a London Tube bombing, a Madrid bombing, two Bali attacks, a Mumbai, a Nairobi shopping mall attack, rampage across Africa in the form of girl-enslaving Christian-massacring Boko Haram, or al-Shabaab in Somalia, or the jihadists in Central African Republic, or the decades-long genocide going on in Sudan — in addition to dozens of plots to mass-murder us (just to adduce one example from many one could pluck from a keffiyeh, the
plot
a couple of years ago to firebomb fuel lines at JFK airport that would have ripped through gas pipelines of a suburban area of homes and businesses outside JFK airport in New York state), by Jews specifically adducing the Talmud in various communications and sermons — then I will be the first to condemn the Talmud.
In the meantime, I am the first to condemn sly, but not so clever, snakes like Christy.
voegelinian says
P.S.: By the way, my litany of terrors & horrors perpetrated by Muslims was quite truncated, compared to the long list of grisly ghoulish ghastly shit they have actually wrought around the world from the Philippines to Morocco, from Sydney to New York, from Amsterdam to Portland, from Paris (plots to blow up the Eiffel Tower, ffs) to Montreal — and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ………………..
Mirren10 says
Good post, voeg.
Wolfgang says
@voegelinian
How NICE to be labelled by you…….