The Independent hauls out Charlie Winter of the UK’s Quilliam Foundation, a group that claims to stand against jihad terror but attacks genuine counter-jihadists and opposes Israel. Winter does his best to absolve Islam of any responsibility for inciting this barbarity, but it is getting tougher to do so all the time. He admits that the Islamic State uses Qur’an 5:33 (described moronically by the Independent or Winter below as a passage from “the fifth book” of the Qur’an) to justify crucifying people, but then says that the next verse mitigates the punishment. However, the next verse just says: “Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” What if this boy didn’t return repenting? The learned Mr. Winter of the Quilliam Foundation doesn’t explain that, and the Independent doesn’t ask him to.
“Isis fighters ‘crucify’ 17-year-old boy in Syria,” by Heather Saul, the Independent, October 17, 2014 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Isis fighters have reportedly executed a 17-year-old boy and left his body on display on a cross in Syria.
Pictures being shared online show a banner attached to the teenager’s chest saying the boy has been crucified for taking photos of Isis military bases, as well as receiving “500 Turkish lira” for any footage taken.
The message describes the ruling for the alleged crime as “apostasy” and states the teenager has been “killed and crucified for a period of three days” as the punishment.
The alleged execution comes after it emerged Isis militants had beheaded their own fighters for spying and espionage.
It is not known who took the picture, which was circulated across social media by some Isis supporters on Friday.
Charlie Winter, Programs Officer at counter-extremism think tank the Quilliam Foundation, said crucifixion is a prescribed punishment meted out by Isis for specific crimes.
He told The Independent: “Crucifixion has been used many times before – it’s an age-old punishment dealt out to people who have committed treason.”
He said this punishment arises from Isis’s fundamentalist interpretation of Verse 33 of the fifth book of the Koran, which reads: “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land.
“That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.”
However, he said the next very next verse emphasises forgiveness and removes the imperative to use such a punishment, saying: “Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
Mr Winter said the apostasy ruling suggested a fusion of theological and statutory terms.
The recent killing follows a series of executions in Raqqa in May believed to have been committed by Isis militants, where bodies were left suspended on wooden crosses for two days.
In March, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Isis crucified a man for “purposefully killing a Muslim to take his money”.
The Qur’an forbids Muslims to kill other Muslims.
jewdog says
ISIS teaches some lessons by its successes and failures. It provides its adherents with a global view of life which gives meaning and discipline; it provides a sense of belonging to a group; it provides rewards from sanctioned criminality, including rape, theft and murder. It combines the faith of religion with a rogue lifestyle: Jim Jones meets the Hell’s Angels.
On the negative ledger it allows no freedom outside its boundaries and it makes lethal enemies who could eventually annihilate it.
Defeating ISIS means coming up with a competing and compelling philosophy which will give meaning and fulfillment to people as free and dignified humans without incurring destructive consequences.
Defining that viewpoint will necessarily involve criticizing Islam, but it is the real peace process.
PRCS says
“Jim Jones meets the Hell’s Angels.”
Man, ain’t that the truth.
Terry says
Hell’s Angels never ever ever ever acted like ISIS.
It’s more like ISSlam meets the SS (Nazis).
Any connection we make between Mohammad and Hitler the better people are able to understand what is taking place.
Nicu says
Hitler is 80 years ago and they still remind germans how bad they were !
But Muslims kill and do the worst things and NOTHING happens —
Please , check out HAMID ABDEL – SAMAD : he knows about Islam and talks about it in public ! He may do so for he is no german who is a Nazi if he does so .
Nicu says
by the way : hells angels in germany are mostly TURKS , now
DiMu says
There is a very good method for turning people away from ISIS – blow their brains out!
Actually it is the ONLY method that works a) because those attracted to the message are already screwed up and b) they are beyond rehabilitation.
Their minds no longer work in the normal way. They have traumatized themselves by their butchery of fellow humans and there is no way they can return to the fold of humanity.
Any trying to get back into Western nations should be tried for treason and put straight in the electric chair.
Gail Griffin says
I think that the newbi’s to IS from the EU and the west might have a bit of stomach turning when they get to their dream destination. Similar to the pregnant , what were they, Swedish jihadi teens who now want to come home.
Exnay on that. As my old mother used to say, ‘You made your bed, now lie in it.’
Bud says
jewdog:
I disagree. The only thing these barbaric cowards will ever respond to is force and/or total annihilation.
michael jibbering king:
You are clearly an idiot. Please take your nine year old mentality/capital letters and crawl back under the rock you came from. Nobody gives a flying flip what a zealot has to say. ELEVENTY!!!
Jay Boo says
Jaffra Michael is just a common troll hiding behind a zealot Halloween costume.
gravenimage says
Probably so, Jay Boo.
tpellow says
“One man’s war against Isis:
A day in the life of 22-year-old Syrian Kurdish fighter who has been battling jihadists since he was a teenager.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798247/one-man-s-war-against-isis-day-life-22-year-old-syrian-kurdish-fighter-battling-jihadists-teenager.html#ixzz3GX9zQeQl
shosh7154 says
Why can’t all these muslim just kiss and make up with a happy song from godzallah… they all bend over to the same gadzilla and read the same book of this Mohamed of zallahland…honestly… all these muslim sunnah shi3a wahabi kurdi et al speak the same blessing over everyone they behead and dismember.
Jay Boo says
Why are Muslims so quick to toss out the label “apostasy”?
Have they forgotten Muhammad’s own apostasy to Islam in the infamous “satanic verses”?
Wtf? says
Now the Caliphate is established I want to know how they will codify their laws using sharia. What penalty will parking your camel illegally in a loading zone bring? What penalty will there be for electronic banking fraud? How will you get a passport for the Caliph to travel to the haji? Who will issue birth certificates? How will the IS stock market work? Which airlines would touch down at IS International Airport? Who will come to aid them in case of an Ebola/Polio outbreak? Don’t get me started on tourism. If just if the world looked away and let these ragheads establish a state it could not operate in a modern world. It would be best to just build a big wall around it and have viewing platforms so the civilised world can see what a total disaster looks like!
george whyte says
Vile image of baby girl being ‘beheaded’ found by Kurds on phone taken from dead ISIS fanatics in Kobane
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798667/kurds-vile-image-baby-girl-beheaded-photograph-recovered-phones-dead-isis-fanatics-kobane.html#ixzz3GaQpScQ0
fair_dinkum says
they are raping and murdering everyone.
hammar says
People bash the Church of Christ all the time whether they are jews, muslims or protestants…but follow Christ of The Bible, Amen.
Jay Boo says
More troll bait
gravenimage says
Islamic State crucifies 17-year-old boy for apostasy
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The Islamic State is the “religion of peace” in its purest form.
God, I hate Islam.