• Why Jihad Watch?
  • About Robert Spencer and Staff Writers
  • FAQ
  • Books
  • Muhammad
  • Islam 101
  • Privacy

Jihad Watch

Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts

New UK law would ban critics of Sharia from broadcasting, protesting or even posting messages on Facebook

Oct 31, 2014 3:16 pm By Robert Spencer

Theresa-May_2606239bThe last free person in Britain, if there is one, might as well turn out the lights. If this becomes law, Britain is finished as a free society. As the law would also forbid opposition to gay marriage, it would be interesting to see what would happen if a proponent of Sharia protested against gay marriage — but Muslim groups are largely for it, since it opens the door to the legalization of polygamy.

In any case, future free historians, if there are any, will look back at David Cameron and Theresa May as essentially saboteurs and traitors who administered the coup de grace to their own nation as a free society. If Britain were still a sane society, as soon as this law was suggested there would have been a no-confidence vote and the Conservative government would have fallen — followed by the arrest of Cameron and May and criminal proceedings against them. Instead, Britain appears prepared to go quietly, although civil war still very likely looms in its future.

“Sharia law or gay marriage critics would be branded ‘extremists’ under Tory plans, atheists and Christians warn,” by John Bingham, the Telegraph, October 31, 2014:

Anyone who criticises Sharia law or gay marriage could be branded an “extremist” under sweeping new powers planned by the Conservatives to combat terrorism, an alliance of leading atheists and Christians fear.

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, unveiled plans last month for so-called Extremism Disruption Orders, which would allow judges to ban people deemed extremists from broadcasting, protesting in certain places or even posting messages on Facebook or Twitter without permission.

Mrs May outlined the proposal in a speech at the Tory party conference in which she spoke about the threat from the so-called Islamic State – also known as Isis and Isil – and the Nigerian Islamist movement Boko Haram.

But George Osborne, the Chancellor, has made clear in a letter to constituents that the aim of the orders would be to “eliminate extremism in all its forms” and that they would be used to curtail the activities of those who “spread hate but do not break laws”.

He explained that that the new orders, which will be in the Conservative election manifesto, would extend to any activities that “justify hatred” against people on the grounds of religion, sexual orientation, gender or disability.

The obvious problem with this is that Leftists and Islamic supremacists constantly advance the false claim that opposition to jihad terror and Islamic supremacism is justifying hatred against people, and the Cameron government clearly endorses this view — hence the ban on Pamela Geller and me. So this law will be used to curtail any opposition to the advance of Sharia in the UK.

He also disclosed that anyone seeking to challenge such an order would have to go the High Court, appealing on a point of law rather than fact.

The National Secular Society and the Christian institute – two organisations with often diametrically opposing interests – said they shared fears that the broad scope of extremism could represent a major threat to free speech.

Keith Porteous Wood, director of the NSS, said secularists might have to think twice before criticising Christianity or Islam. He said secularists risk being Islamophobic and racist because of their high profile campaigns against the advance of Sharia law in the UK.

“The Government should have every tool possible to tackle extremism and terrorism, but there is a huge arsenal of laws already in place and a much better case needs to be made for introducing draconian measures such as Extremism Disruption Orders, which are almost unchallengeable and deprive individuals of their liberties,” he said.

“Without precise legislative definitions, deciding what are ‘harmful activities of extremist individuals who spread hate’ is subjective and therefore open to abuse now or by any future authoritarian government.”…

A Conservative spokesman said: “Freedom of expression and freedom of speech are a vital part of a democratic society….

Yes, but obviously not of British society. Not anymore.

Share this:

  • Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)
  • Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)
  • Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window)
  • Click to print (Opens in new window)
  • Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window)
  • More
  • Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window)
  • Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window)
  • Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window)
  • Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window)
  • Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window)
  • Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window)

Follow me on Facebook

Filed Under: free speech, Sharia, United Kingdom, Useful idiots Tagged With: featured


Learn more about RevenueStripe...

Comments

  1. Mark Christian says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    The British have gone completely mad. What pussies…..

    • gerard says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      The British Government have gone completely mad.
      Not everyone.

      • Keith says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 5:11 pm

        I agree with that time we all started lobbying our MP’s to ensure they don’t approve any laws that show the governments hatred of the ethnic British people.

        With an election coming up we SHOULD all have the chance to find out what our prospective MP’s think about this and Sharia law being introduced to this country.

        Of course that is if any of them can really be bothered to come and talk to their prospective constituents, I have lived in my house since 1997 and have not seen one candidate for parliament/council in any of the elections held since that date.

      • Kenny says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 6:42 pm

        Thank you for getting it right that it’s our government that have plunged into abject cowardice. To the person who described we British as “pussies”, you really should be quite ashamed of yourself. Again, an ignoramus puts the boot into us when they should be supporting us! Also, I wonder, how much has your Obama stood up for secular, Christian, Jewish, or the rights of anyone else non Muslim? That’s right, he hasn’t. Does that make you a “pussy”, too because your elected leader cringes to Islam also? No, it doesn’t, it just makes you as poorly governed as us. Besides, when this bill was first proposed and featured on this website, I stated then that the first the government would seek to attack with it would be the EDL, and other like minded groups. You know, those dangerous right wing types who fly planes into skyscrapers and bomb other transport systems in major cities, not to mention murder off duty soldiers on London streets!

        • Guy Macher says

          Oct 31, 2014 at 8:02 pm

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

        • Sancho Panza says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 5:35 am

          Yes, where are the protests, Kenny?

          They slaughtered your soldier in uniform.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          They beheaded an old lady.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          Ravaging gangs whom you choose to call “grooming gangs” (grooming!!) are raping hundreds and thousands of your children.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          They insulted and threatened your soldiers returning from war and desecrated the poppy.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          They are taking over your schools and are indoctrinating children with hate.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          Their preachers like Anjem Choudhary spew hate at you and your traditions every day and then proudly collect dole (jizyah) from tax payers’ money.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          Your government lets in rabid terrorists, welcomes back treasonous those who left to join the ISIS, but bans Robert Spencer and Pamela.Geller.

          Brick by brick, institution by institution, they are destroying all the proud traditions of Ye Olde Englande.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          Your house is on fire but you take solace from the fact that there are live embers in other houses.

          Where are the protests, Kenny?

          If this new law gets passed, Kenny, you would be guilty of a hate crime if you said that sharia is injurious to your health even as they held a knife to your throat preparatory to beheading you.

          Do not leave it for too late, Kenny. Else there will be nothing left to fight for.

          GODDAMN IT, KENNY, WHERE ARE THE PROTESTS?

        • ECAW says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 7:01 am

          That’s easy to answer. There are protests all over the country being organised by the EDL but you won’t hear about them here because Robert Spencer cut off contact with them after the Tommy Robinson affair. I wish he would look again at them and tell us what he finds. As far as I can see they have succeeded in ridding themselves of the far right groups who burrowed into it, and deserve our support.

      • David says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 9:14 pm

        Not everyone. Yet why do most of the voting public still vote pro the Islamo-philic, pro-invasion far left–i.e. Labour, Lib-Dem., “Conservative” and UKIP?

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 8:21 pm

        The fact is that every nation in the West has started down this suicidal path. Some nations are more far gone than than others, but *none* of us can be complacent.

  2. Artie Galvin says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    It is troubling to watch Britain cut its own throat. What the hell is going on with those people.

  3. abad says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    The UK is done for. Allowing Muslims into their nation and giving their enemy the upper hand.

    • Kenny says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 6:45 pm

      So, you don’t have Muslims in America then? Apart from your president that is.

      • A says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 9:06 pm

        Obama’s a Christian you half- wit.

        • Islamisdeath says

          Oct 31, 2014 at 10:19 pm

          No he’s not. He pretended to be to get elected. No one believes any longer that he is a Christian. There are many YouTube vids of him saying “i am a muslim” many. He makes no attempt to help persecuted Christians, Syrian and Iraqi Chritians are not allowed asylum here but muslims are imported by the tens of thousands.

        • Kenny says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 5:26 am

          Of course he is! I mean, how else could he explain his early years in Indonesia, his Islamic family background, and even his turban garb. Oh, I forgot, he avoids explaining it doesn’t he? He pretends to be Christian in order to present himself to the American public who, like you, seem to accept it. Hussain, good Christian name that, don’t you think?

    • Tradewinds says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:39 pm

      “To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” – Voltaire

  4. Gerry Post says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Of course, they will also have a law that no one is allowed to defame ANY religion or law. And if a Moslem (excuse me, an Asian) dares to defame any religion or religious belief, he or she MUST BE decapitated. Fair is fair.

  5. Tony Benjamin says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    So I guess a complete ban on Islamic immigration and Islam in England as a whole is out of the question?

  6. Myxlplik says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    I want to be banned from the UK, I think Robert, Pamela, and Michael Savage should wear this distinction of being banned from the UK as a badge of freedom and liberty.

  7. No Fear says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    Game over. Stupid pommies. They have submitted to Mohammed’s gang.

    • citycat says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 10:32 pm

      The people will not submit. Bloody civil war before that happens.

  8. Lu says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    This is far beyond anything Orwellian or even Kafkaesque. This is pure submission, surrender (called “islam” in Arabic, right?).

    • Terry says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      Exactly!

  9. Don McKellar says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    “— followed by the arrest of Cameron and May and criminal proceedings against them”

    It is ASTOUNDING to see that this hasn’t happened at this point. It is hard to think of any point in English history where elected or appointed leaders worked so hard in the open as traitors to their country out to destroy their own society and legal system. It is impossible to come up with a point where such criminals were not arrested and put on trial.

    Some may scoff at the suggestion of a looming civil war, but that is EXACTLY where this is headed. This law will be enough, if it is enacted, to light the fuse on the big powder keg which has been built up.

    • Silvia says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      Don McKellar, I actually agree with you about civil war. Years ago, when I started reading the great classical European lit, including Dickens of course, I kept wondering “how come there was never a socialist/communist rebellion in England”? But I think what’s happening there now, Europe in general and the ME is having an effect. I keep reading many British news sites and readers comments and I see a growing number of posts that are openly against the government and Islam. More and more people are waking up. People are FED UP.

      • William says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 6:07 pm

        Stop placing hope in some coming civil war. It is not coming. There is no evidence of any preparation among the general public for physical confrontation with the establishment. Furthermore, the governments of the West now have so much power that previous totalitarian governments of days of old would drool. They have penetrated and embedded themselves in every aspect of our lives. You can’t move without them knowing where you are at all times. Did you hear about the NSA?

        There is only one way to end it. It would be no less of a revolution and it would remove the whole lot of them from power. It is peaceful non-compliance and non-conformation. Withdraw all support and participation and they will “wither on the vine.” It will require as much courage and determination as any civil war. And it will cause us discomfort and maybe some pain. But with it, you put the ball in their court. They will have to act – either violently or peacefully. Ultimately, the rulers do not and cannot exist without our support. People need to start organizing and stop threatening about one more line crossing before civil war begins. It won’t happen. Passing this law will only be another nail in the coffin of an already dead polity. We are in a state of affairs now because nothing was done subsequent to passing all those previous, egregious laws that are now on the books and are being used to bind us in straight jackets.

        And forget about elections. We have regular elections and nothing changes. I know what you are saying. There is always the next election in which we throw out the bums. Hope rings eternal. Do you really think things are going to improve with the next election?

        • Wellington says

          Oct 31, 2014 at 8:51 pm

          Interesting perspective and proposal, William. You could very well be correct. In essence, what you are proposing is massive, non-violent resistance. Of course, such a course of action can only work in polities that have a decent respect in their collective consciousness and history for the dignity and worth of the individual. In polities that don’t (e.g., Russia, China or any majority-ruled Muslim nation), you’ll just be terminated (Gandhi and Martin Luther King, especially the former, never comprehended this).

          Still, it’s a risky approach (but, hell, what approach wouldn’t be?), to rid Britain of the pc/mc which is presently killing it. As I wrote on this very thread just an hour ago or so, what is imperative is that Islam be viewed OVERWHELMINGLY as the spiritual fascism which it is. But peaceful, non-violent resistance could be the way to go for Britain to get back where it needs to be, i.e., a truly free country, no Orwellian curbs on free speech and a full and free capacity to call out bullshit when it exists. And nothing is greater bullshit than labeling Islam a religion of peace and tolerance.

        • Bezelel says

          Oct 31, 2014 at 9:21 pm

          The UK can stage their own Boston Tea Party / Tax Revolt. Or did you just say that?

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 12:35 am

          William’s perspective and prescription seems to have at least one flaw — an implicit assumption that The People are largely untainted by PC MC. This in turn rests on a view of society of Us vs. Them, where the polarity is a quaintly medieval Peasants vs. Royalty type of scheme — a scheme that seems strangely oblivious to the complexity of sociology and modern change, whereby society is not stratified merely between dastardly “Elites” over there and Ordinary People over here, but a much richer and more complicated spectrum in between.

          At any rate, even with the sociocultural complications aside, there are innumerable millions of Westerners who are in various stages of PC MC deformation, a process & fashion that is neither the fault of “Leftists” nor of some dastardly Cabal; the responsibility rests squarely on… The People. Given that The People themselves are to blame for more or less passively enabling the problem of PC MC, I don’t know how the West is going to enact even the more realistic Revolution William envisions.

        • johnrowe1 says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 1:04 am

          William, there is Life and there is death, When you give up you die, when you get smart, adapt, improvise, and carry pain or death to an enemy, then you earn life, be a wolverine, solicit family, friends, network, find those whom agree, and never ever give up,
          its when one turns into 2 and 2 turns into 4. If you’re gonna go down, make some kind of difference.

          JOHN ROWE USMC

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 10:04 pm

          I’m afraid you’re right, Voegelinian–a fair number of ordinary Britons (and Americans and Canadians and Australians and Europeans) have been influenced to a greater of lesser degree by suicidal “political correctness”. It is not just the “leadership” in the West.

          A great number of Westerners seem completely oblivious as to what such draconian developments really mean, and what they bode for the future.

  10. Auckland says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    Kill me now

  11. forthfaran says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Believe me the British people are furious with the spineless politicians over what they have done to our country.I doubt Cameron will get elected,hopefully UKIP will be the Fox amoungst his Chickens. This idea originates from the Organisation Of Islamic Co-operation in the UN. The EU of course are quite willing to surrender ever more to Islam. It is EU policy to placate Islam ,there is a long term vision of a single entity ,Eurabia. The lefty establishment ,which wormed it’s way in over the decades since the 1960s has finally triumphed and now all the organs of state are infected;the political parties (except UKIP),the judiciary,the police,the Education establishment, Universities, Charities,the Church, local government and government bodies and agencies. It will probably impossible to cleanse the body politic of this deathly infection which has to a large extent permeated deep into the very marrow of the political class and associates and agents. Oppressive laws have been passed a;lready to shut down discussion at too deep a level of various topics,mainly immigration,Islam and the destruction of societal norms.Neologisms have been articulated ,designed to instantly stigmatise anyone daring to oppose the official PC opinion. In years to come the country will probably split between an Islamic faction and all the others. As the numbers of Muslims grow so will their demands and aggression. The left ,which really governs Britain has made common purpose with Islam;they have in common their loathing of Western society and values as they now exist. These Bourgeois left wing bohemian types ,wealthy and smug ,destest their own county and people whilst making every apology for what is poisoning the existence of our once great and lovely land.Not get too smug ,though;these people are everywhere,in the US,Australia,New Zealand & Canada. It could be coming to you if you don’t look out.

    • Myxlplik says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:07 pm

      A lot of us really sympathize with you & know you are sitting on the edge of very real civil strife. This attempt by the government to regulate speech should be considered as one of many initial salvoes, and as the regulations become more desperate you know time grows ever shorter.

      We are with you Free Brittons.

  12. mariam rove says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    This is designed just to satisfy the muslims. They conveniently added gay marriage to mask it. M

    • lorraine Pilcher says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:41 pm

      I thought that too

  13. Neil Jennison says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    How do you think I feel? I live in Britain.

    Freedom…..something we once fought for just handed over to government control.

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:56 pm

      ”Freedom…..something we once fought for just handed over to government control.”

      We don’t **have** to supinely surrender our freedoms. We can fight, and support those who are prepared to fight. It is apathy and despair that will destroy us, not the knavish tricks of the Tories, Lib-Dems, and Labourites.

      Support Paul Weston of LibertyGB.
      Support the EDL.
      Support UKIP.

      Write letters to your MP, camoron, may, and all the rest of the traitorous crew. Pester, pester, pester. Be prepared to stand for freedom.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 8:25 pm

        Yes.

        And another group who can be supported – they are offering opportunities to get out on the street, which means opportunities to *network* – are the British Pakistani Christian Association.

        They held a protest rally on behalf of imprisoned Pakistani Christian Asia Bibi, right on the doorstep of the Pakistan High Commission in London.

        They got maybe 150 – 200 people; they should have had *thousands*. (They have also protested on her behalf, on the doorstep of no 10 Downing Street).

        One of their campaigns is calling for the UK to *stop* “aid” to places like Pakistan which persecute minorities (notably, non-Muslim minorities).

        The politicians who are prepared to listen to them, are politicians who are therefore educable on matters Islamic.

        Similarly, any politician who is *really* a friend of Israel – such as the twelve MPs who voted NO to the vote in parliament to recognise “Palestine” – is a potential ally and should be identified, befriended, supported, and PUSHED.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 11:22 pm

        ”Similarly, any politician who is *really* a friend of Israel – such as the twelve MPs who voted NO to the vote in parliament to recognise “Palestine” – is a potential ally and should be identified, befriended, supported, and PUSHED”

        dda, below are the names of the 12 stalwart and courageous MP’s who voted against recognising a ‘palestinian’ state.

        I have emailed each one, and written proper letters supporting their stand. Unfortunately, my own MP was not one of them.

        Beith, rh Sir Alan

        Blackman, Bob

        Djanogly, Mr Jonathan

        Dodds, rh Mr Nigel

        Freer, Mike

        McCrea, Dr William

        Mills, Nigel

        Offord, Dr Matthew

        Paisley, Ian

        Shannon, Jim

        Simpson, David

        Syms, Mr Robert

        Any UK Jihad Watchers, who support the State of Israel, and realise a two state solution would mean the obliteration of Israel, should do the same.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 12:37 am

        I doubt Neil Jennison wants to support the EDL, those racist football hooligans.

    • Kenny says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 6:53 pm

      You’re absolutely right! As for the comments about civil war in England, we’ve only had one before and it was largely about poor government with a big dose of religion thrown in for good measure. However, I think we’re likely to revert to type, have cup of tea and mutter ‘it really isn’t on, you know’.

  14. allan says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    I am from the UK

    Robert I beg you, please please please stop reporting this stuff it is getting too embarrassing. I feel ashamed.

    Every time I open your website and I see another article that starts with “UK” my heart sinks.

    I do fear civil war is looming, or that my following countrymen are too anaesthetised do anything. Neither do I know which is worse! As both are awful.

    Be gentle we are suffering here.

    Maybe UKIP will save us from both.

    OT
    On a more positive note are you minded to promote the works of Bill Warner (before they are band too of course)? I find they are making the otherwise pretty impenetrable stuff of the Qur’an, Sira and Hadith (due to their boring, repetitive, disorganised, and lengthy nature) penetrable. What do you think of them?

    • Terry says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:40 pm

      In Missouri and ag-gag law was defeated. In Idaho it passed. (cannot show abuse and torture of animals in the process of being slaughtered or how dirty the facility).

      With freedom of speech in the US, it is hard to see polit-gag happening; but then Obama using Cloward Pivens to orchestrate crises for change, ie letting in 10s of thousands of illegals this summer and goading Ferguson, he may just do it by executive order.

      However as stated above, “This is far beyond anything Orwellian or even Kafkaesque. This is pure submission, surrender (called “islam” in Arabic, right?).”

    • Kenny says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:01 pm

      I agree! However, I would ask Robert Spencer to continue reporting such events in Britain as these things need to be exposed to the world, embarrassing though they are. I would simply implore Robert to please report them in such a manner as to be more supportive to the long suffering general population of Britain. After all, we agree with you, that’s why we read this website.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 11:07 pm

        Robert Spencer is fighting for Britain—if he wasn’t then he and Pamela Geller would not have cared about being banned.

  15. DarkMath says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    England is now the turd circling the toilet bowl.

    • ECAW says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:24 pm

      You must be the site moron I suppose.

      • Sweetness says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 7:10 pm

        what the hell is wrong with you, ecaw? can you identify it ? all of us are morons because we dare to tell the truth about islam the surrendering mechanism. what do you do? ask inane questions? please post again. i enjoy you!

        • ECAW says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 3:56 am

          Sweetness – Anyone who calls my country a turd has shown themselves to be operating on a very low level. Moronic would be a good word for it. I would have thought it was obvious that I was addressing only the moron who said it.

          As to what I do, well I try to reach as many people as I can through my blog to persuade them of the danger of Islam:

          http://ecawblog.wordpress.com/

          and I support the EDL which, for all its problems, is the only significant counter jihad showing courage in the face of government and media villification.

          What do you do?

    • Kenny says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:04 pm

      I hate to resort to this, but you really are a prick DarkMarth!

  16. tpellow says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Yes, the Islamization of Britain is gathering speed.

    The remnants of free speech are now being repressed and criminalized, in Islamic interests.

    This self imposed repression for certain Islamic interests is being carried out by governments across Europe, and beyond, as ‘Jihadwatch’ has documented.

    But most ordinary non-Muslims in the West are still unaware that their liberties are being taken away from them by their own governments, acting on behalf of Islamic interests.

    • Vinodgupt says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:11 pm

      About time to rename the UK as Islamistan

      • Tradewinds says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 7:47 pm

        I don’t think I could go to Europe again. I would be too horrified and disgusted. Plus, I might get arrested for speaking my mind about the Muslim situation.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 8:54 pm

        About time to rename the UK as Islamistan.

        How about something closer to the original? Great Bitten. Great Bleatin. Or my personal fave Great Beaten. Or maybe Great God, as in allahu akbar (our God is greatest, our God is better than yours). These are replacement names that would garner serious votes in the once Great city of Birmingham.

    • Ed says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 9:17 pm

      Pamela Geller calls it “Self-imposed Sharia.”

  17. tpellow says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    “West must stop appeasing efforts to ban criticism of Islam.

    That fake term ‘Islamophobia’. It’s just designed to destroy free speech and, de facto and indeed de jure, to impose Islamic law on the West.”

    By Michael Curtis,
    (Nov 2013).

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4345/west_must_stop_appeasing_efforts_to_ban_criticism_of_islam

    • Keith says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:26 pm

      Have just read the Commentator article from your link, surely if the OIC get all of that passed Islam should be banned due to hatred based on religious, race and sexual grounds, with many continual calls for violence against non-muslims in all three of their holy books.

      Wouldn’t that be a wonderful ending to this sorry state of affairs.

  18. TH says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    It doesn’t seem that there is much hope in UKIP as Farage is not willing even to mention the Islamic jihad problem. For that reason Paul Weston founded the Liberty GB party and got himself arrested for quoting Winston Churchill on Islam.

    • tpellow says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:09 pm

      “Cameron is a traitor” – Paul Weston at Downing Street [Sept 20, 2014].

      (5 min video clip.)

      • Myxlplik says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 7:30 pm

        I dare any of my fellow Yankees to find one American politician who has half the guts of Paul Weston :). So quit the smug crap.

    • pumbar says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 11:09 pm

      Farage has spoken about Islamism, he was virtually the only politician in the UK that insisted that anyone travelling to join the I.S rave, over in the Levant, should have their passports and citizenship revoked. He is also up front about immigration, which is a breath of fresh air.

  19. LX says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    “…their own nation as a free republic”

    UK is NOT a republic, it is a kingdom!

  20. Salah says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    “..the arrest of Cameron and May and criminal proceedings against them.”

    There’s only one solution left, before a bloody civil war that is.
    I’ve been advocating this last solution for more than a year now here on JW. Unfortunately, many JW commenters did not, and still do not, agree with me:
    A massive peaceful popular uprising, the arrest of the traitors, fair trials and, if convicted of high treason, EXECUTION.
    It happened in Egypt, a Muslim country, and it worked.
    There is no other solution left at this point.
    The secret of their success? huge numbers (33 million)
    Check it out here:
    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-end-of-muslim-brotherhood.html

    BTW, it applies to all western countries, not just the U.K.

    • Tradewinds says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:50 pm

      You’re talking about Demographic Jihad. Yeah, it’s working. Power in numbers .

  21. ECAW says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    The first thing to note is that this is only a proposed item for the Conservative manifesto for next year’s general election. There could be no question of a vote of no confidence over something that may or may not be put before the house in several months time.

    Having said that, it does appear to be a dog’s dinner using such vague terms as “eliminate extremism in all its forms”and “those who spread hate but do not break laws”. Going by past experience they well might use it against counter jihad organisations as well as Islamists on a one for one basis so they can say how even handed they are being.

    The worst thing they could do would be to proscribe the EDL, the most prominent counter jihad organisation in Britain, and I wouldn’t put it past them since Cameron has called them “sick”, and remember he is a patron of the UAF, the ugly spawn of the fascist left and Islamofascists. With no peaceful outlet for protest things could become fairly nasty, especially after the next inevitable atrocities.

    This is what comes of defending the lie that jihad has nothing to do with Islam. They’ve committed themselves now. What can they do? Just shoot more messengers.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      Thanks for pointing that out: “The first thing to note is that this is only a proposed item for the Conservative manifesto for next year’s general election. ”

      When exactly is the election? Strikes me, therefore, that there is time to *massively* pressure all sitting Conservative MPs and let them know that the general public are *against* it.

      Make that *the* UK jihadwatcher project for the next three months. Is Gavin Boby onto it? Are the EDL and March for England marching for it?

      Send every single MP a copy of John Milton’s Areopagitica.

      Send them Conor Cruise O’Brien’s magnificent diatribe that was occasioned by the fatwa on Salman Rushdie.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/islam-back-to-the-dark-ages-we-should-not-repeal-the-enlightenment-to-appease-ayatollahs-says-conor-cruise-obrien-1382946.html

      Islam: back to the Dark Ages: We should not repeal the Enlightenment to appease Ayatollahs, says Conor Cruise O’Brien

      And hit them between the eyes with *this* magnificent diatribe, which was triggered by the attempted – but fortunately fizzled – jihad mass murder of New Yorkers at Times Square on May Day 2010.

      http://reason.com/archives/2010/05/14/the-poet-versus-the-prophet
      The Poet Versus the Prophet
      On standing up to totalitarian Islam

      Demand *more* freedom of speech, not less!

      Demand that those who criticise – and, indeed, who *mock* – Islam, publicly, and who ANSWER the Muslim dawa-artists at Hyde Park corner or anywhere else – should be *protected* not vilified!

      State that it should be possible to arrest and charge imams – basically, gang bosses, capi dei capi – who openly incite to Jihad – that is, to armed insurrection and mass murder and sedition and treason – *without* enacting laws that lead to the banning of people like Mr Spencer or the arrest of people like Paul Weston.

      • ECAW says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 5:48 am

        DDA

        1. The general election is in May 2015. I think it’s too early for us to be making a noise about this yet. It’s all too vague, as though May is just talking tough (she first announced this at the Tory party conference a little while ago) or flying a kite. Hopefully there will be reactions to it but we need a more concrete idea of what it’s really about, who is for it and who is against it, who it might be aimed at. The big thing about the election is UKIP. There’s not much point badgering Tory MPs, they’re generally beyond hope but as it becomes clear that some of them will lose their seats they might start getting restive.

        Farage has made it clear that he doesn’t intend to grasp the nettle of Islam although some of his MEPs have spoken up about it. The thing is that getting out of Europe is a necessary but not not sufficient condition for turning the tide abou Islamisation. The next cab off the rank is Liberty GB. At the moment they’re at a similar point to where UKIP were a few years ago (first they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you… etc). Pardon me if you know all this about British politics.

        2. The EDL have more concrete things on their minds at the moment. Their last demo was against BBC bias and their next national one I think is again about Muslim grooming gangs. But They’re talking about it on the EDL forum:

        http://englishdefenceleague.net/

        Why not drop by and see if you like it. There are plenty of sympathisers from around the world. The only thing I know about March for England is their demo at Brighton where the UAF types cut up rough when the police had thinned out and then threatened the film makers. The film is included here if you’re interested:

        http://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/17/two-and-a-half-cheers-for-the-edl/

        I shall have to look into them (thanks for the nudge). I hope they’re okay. There are various groups beyond the EDL who I wouldn’t want to associate with, Britain First which I see mentioned elsewhere here being one of them

  22. Paula Boddington says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    One other sinister aspect of this is that the government can also take away passports from people in various circumstances if that person is deemed a threat to Britain, e.g. If this does not render a person stateless, it’s perfectly possible to be stripped of British citizenship. I’ve got dual nationality so if my UK passport were taken away I would still be a citizen of Australia, so I am half way between being worried and thinking I should test this insane attack on free speech and debate.
    One utterly insane contradiction is the way that received opinion of those in power holds that our culture is no better than any other, and all religions and cultures are equal, and diversity should be respected; together with the insane assumption that somehow, magically, all religions and cultures are fully compatible with dominant western values, so hence, any attempt to explain that this is not so is being silenced. The reason why? Because, secretly, they really think that western values are universal, so of course, Muslims etc really at core are like us. So do they believe in multiculturalism and relativism or not? They have not got a damned clue. But by this crooked thinking, those in power in Britain are destroying themselves from the inside out. It is literally insane.

  23. Kristian says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    Follow the money :

    “Already London is the biggest center for Islamic finance outside the Islamic world,” Cameron told the audience of more than 1,800 international political and business leaders from over 115 countries.

    “And today our ambition is to go further still. Because I don’t just want London to be a great capital of Islamic finance in the Western world, I want London to stand alongside Dubai and Kuala Lumpur as one of the great capitals of Islamic finance anywhere in the world.”

    David Cameron in his speech at the ninth World Islamic Economic Forum (London, October 29-31, 2013)

  24. Sam says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    How can I feel sorry for a nation tolerating such a suicidal government? The same is happening here in America and I am very frustrated with these liberals and OBAMA. We are really losing our liberties everyday for no logical reason but trying to be a “multicultural” nation instead of being “Proud Americans”.

    What a shame!!

  25. UnEasyOne says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    The west has two choices:

    A) Surrender to islam – as our politicians OF THE LEFT AND RIGHT are doing right now. or

    B) Drive the muslims out of the free/civilized world.

    There is no third option.

    • Wellington says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:30 pm

      I write this to you, UnEasyOne, as the lawyer I am. Here is what I have to say: It is NOT necessary nor advisable (nor constitutional at all in America) to “Drive the muslims out of the free/civilized world.” Frankly, and I say this with respect but I also say it firmly, this is overkill. Huge overkill. In fact, it’s simply a nonstarter—-legally, constitutionally, from the standpoint of common sense, ethically, et al.

      What is necessary, and what has not happened to date, is for Islam to be described and overwhelmingly viewed as a giant negative for the West. Islam should be put in the same category with Nazism and Marxism, two OTHER totalitarian ideologies. If this is done, (and doing this would be turning the corner of corners), then the rest will take care of itself. Muslims could exist in America and other Western nations, and Islam would not be banned, just as American Nazis and Nazism were allowed to exist during all of WWII, even from the time America entered the war in December of 1941, and just as American Communists and Communism were not banned in America at any time during the Cold War. Of course, legal pretexts should be found to do such supportive things like almost completely banning further Muslim immigration to the West, stripping the most “enthusiastic” of Muslims in the West of their citizenship of a particular Western nation if they have it, and other ancillary, but still important, initiatives along these lines.

      You see, in short, evil does not have to be bannned. This is huge overreach and actually imperils liberty for the free people who already have it. What is crucial is that evil be properly and accurately characterized as evil. To date, this has not been done with Islam. And therein lies the root of the problem—-in America, in Britain, in The Netherlands, in Germany, in Sweden, in the all the West.

      I close with this: It is not enough to be right. You also have to know how to be right. As before, I wish you and yours well. Take care, pal.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 9:00 pm

        Huge overkill. In fact, it’s simply a nonstarter—-legally, constitutionally…

        Ah c’mon, Wellington. We are not a nation of laws, and that was true well before Prez Barack Hussein came out of the closet as a dictator. By my count His Highness now has over 50 instances where’s he’s bypassed Congress with diktat, and that it the definition of dictatorship. And a dictatorship is not a nation of laws. No longer a nation of laws at least has the effect of making anything possible. The only delimiter is what can be sold over the television.

        • Wellington says

          Oct 31, 2014 at 9:30 pm

          OK then, APF, let’s just conclude, as you did, we’re no longer a nation of laws. Yeah, how could I have been so naive as to think America still is? One extra foolish President signing executive orders aplenty (most of which have to paid for and therein lies one key to their nullity) have made it a fait accompli that we are done for, finished, no longer a nation of laws. Oh yeah, let’s just give up.

          Holy Hell, APF, I have respected many of your posts over the years, but not this one. I for one am simply tired of two things 1) thinking Obama is essentially the end of America; and 2) a fatalism which is mired in just giving up.

          America has seemingly been down and out on many occasions, some of which are 1) the state of America in late 1776 before Washington crossed the Delaware Christmas night; 2) the Civil War where so many, including Europeans in droves and Copperheads aplenty, thought the Union was finished; 3) WWII in the first six months or so after we entered the war—–until Midway happened; 4) the sorry state of mind that the ill-run Vietnam War and the debacle which was Watergate put Americans in before Ronald Reagan came along and made us believe in ourselves again. And so on.

          I stand by what I’ve written. No retreat, APF, and your post didn’t even remotely incline me to do so.

      • UnEasyOne says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 9:16 pm

        Well said. I want you to be right.

        If we grant that islam is a religion – which I do not, you are absolutely right. The first amendment absolutely forbids what I propose.

        But if we are at war, and if islam is not a religion, but an authoritarian political system in the trappings of religion actively engaged in conquest/the overthrow of constitutional government here and everywhere it exists, the rules change. I invite you to watch this four part documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbPmSDnvCL4 about what is actually happening in Europe.

        Laws about spies, enemy agents and “fifth columns” are a bit different.

        I want to do it your way, but how? How do we break through the cries of bigotry and the demonizing of anyone who tells the truth in and by the MSM? What about the 200,000 or more muslims – please tell me I’m wrong about this – being allowed to come here THIS YEAR? Refugees.

        Telling the truth is only worthwhile if you are able to reach the necessary audience and some are willing to listen. Unless they are willing to honestly enumerate the crimes of Mohammed, call them crimes and therefore publicly acknowledge that Mohammed was evil – which would make them apostate – their ideology is completely incompatible with our constitutional form of government. They can either be a citizen of islam, or of the USA. Not both.

        Frankly, I think the possibility of us expelling the muslims – as Spain did in 1492 – is so remote as to be near zero. But I think we should be talking about it. Maybe the “good muslims” can find a way to assure us that we won’t share the fate of formerly christian Egypt and Lebanon, for example. Or tell us how to avoid the problems Europe is experiencing these days.

        When you invite them as guests, they think they own the place and behave as if they do (See that doc I linked.) We are very lucky to have been given the chance to act as we watch Europe implode. If we do nothing, Lebanon is our future. I know we didn’t ban Nazis or Communists and I’m glad we didn’t. But we did round up the Japanese. And we kept a very close eye on the Nazis and communists. Soon there will be far too many muslims to do that with them.

        I want to just declare peace and eternal friendship with the muslims. “You respect me, and I’ll respect you.” I would live by that – if they would.

        If they are denied sharia, it is persecution and you are the enemy for persecuting them. And you are subject to sharia too. The “peace” of islam comes only when all are believers and subject to muslim rule or have submitted to it.

        How do we turn that corner, Wellington?

        • Wellington says

          Oct 31, 2014 at 10:18 pm

          Thank you for your reply, UnEasyOne. Well, I don’t think the corner of corners will be turned so much by non-Muslims as much as it will by Muslims.

          Islam and its deluded believers just can’t help revealing what it’s really about over time. It’s doing it now. I mean just think how many millions in the West at present are sick of Islam, and have come to learn a great deal about Islam, compared to just twenty years ago (like so many regulars at JW). And, as I have written here before at JW several times over the years, we are in a new Hundred Years War. You can date its starting as far back as the creation of Israel (or perhaps even before to the days of Haj Amin-al Husseni), which polity is the only polity in the Middle East which is a full and free democracy (no wonder the Islamic world hates it in addition to the fact that it is a Jewish state). Or you might want to date it to 1979 when the Ayatollah Khomeini, that wretched and joyless man, came into power in Iran. But this present war, and it is truly a war, will go on for many decades and with much loss of life and huge expenditures, courtesy of the one major faith which is totalitarian in structure and ideology, as Bertrand Russell, a very liberal guy as you probably know, stated almost a century ago.

          You made many other salient and poignant points, UnEasyOne, but they all point to the necessity of characterizing Islam as a malevolence the equal to (or even superior to because it hides behind a traditional religious veil) those secular religions which go by the name of Nazism and Marxism. Once this is done, once Islam is viewed as it should be viewed, i.e., as an inveterate enemy of the best which the West has produced, the rest will take care of itself. Islam will still remain a pain-in-the ass of course for free people, but it will no longer be a mortal pain-in the ass, anymore than Nazism or Marxism are (with due allowance up front acknowledged that Marxism still thrives in certain stupid circles in the West, the most glaring one being many of the educational cognoscenti).

          In short, once Islam is viewed for what it is, expelling Muslims and the like from the West and/ or banning Islam will not be necessary. It will be relegated to the margins of Western societies and its deluded believers will be seen for the losers and miscreants they are. But, this will take time and it is understandable that people will be impatient about the amount of time it will take for mankind, en masse, to conclude that, Holy Hell, mankind really did get a major religion that is rotten to its core. But since the truth is a very stubborn thing and a friend that never deserts you, I have every confidence that, long term, Islam will be placed on the trash heap of history, though it will be a bloody and expensive affair before this finally happens. Oh yeah, much of the 21st century ain’t gonna’ be pretty, courtesy of Mo’s creed.

        • UnEasyOne says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 1:12 am

          Time. That is the key word in your comment and the reason that, while my solution may be almost impossible to implement and present a number of other difficulties yours is “pie in the sky,” a fantasy and no solution at all.

          Before I forget again, let me say that I am simply not in the habit of wishing well the people I am having a discussion with on the internet, but I genuinely appreciate the courtesy with which you have treated me here at JW. Please don’t read anything into my omission of those greatly appreciated courtesies I have received from you from most of my own posts. And call me Easy, unless you have a problem with that. I myself have wondered if you were being sarcastic (when you called me pal, after I called you buddy. Hard to be clear about that kind of thing when typing. I meant it as a friendly kind of thing.) In any case, I consider you a friend of short acquaintance and respect your opinion (because it’s generally well reasoned), even tho it is often diametrically opposed to my own. I am also straight and happily married , so don’t read anything else into it either, lol.

          Back to the issue at hand: Time.

          islam is on the move. Even if we brought muslim immigration to a screeching halt TOMORROW (and why would we want to do that to adherents of the ROP? Sounds discriminatory to me.) they outbreed us 4 to 1. The problem will continue to grow. The “radicals” aren’t going to wait for apostates to get their act together here any more than they have waited elsewhere.

          So how long will it take for muslims to turn that corner? It’s a question you can’t answer, but if we are to wait for this great awakening to come from muslims, it’s one that MUST be answered.

          What is happening in Europe WILL happen here. What happened in Lebanon WILL happen here. What happened in Egypt, once a majority christian country, now 10% christian, WILL happen here unless WE stop it. Waiting for muslims to do so is a solution without the slightest historical support. Too slim a reed upon which to entrust the entire fate of the world IMHO.

          Just reread your comment and I have to observe that things move a lot faster now than in the Middle Ages. Don’t mean to be sarcastic, but we can’t count on things proceeding as they would have then. If ever there was an unstable country, ripe for an islamic takeover, it’s Pakistan. And they have about a hundred nukes. And don’t think IS hasn’t noticed that.

          That’s just one sticking point; there are plenty more. Unfortunately, I find your optimism to be baseless, especially in the short term – and the short term is all we will ever be allowed, because the pattern is to present the world with an accomplished fact. muslims understand those very well indeed. By the time their hosts realize there is a problem, it’s too late to do anything about it.

          WE are not in that position, but we will be soon – unless we act.

          Take care, buddy. My solution may be a lousy one, but I’m stuck with it until a better one comes along. Waiting for, and trusting, the muslims to come up with it seems like no solution at all to me.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 11:21 am

          First of all, Easy, when I called you “pal” it was not meant in any way sarcastically. It’s just an expression I have long used when being cordial with someone, male OR female (I even call my wife at times “pal” and she rather likes it).

          Second, and much more important, for those like you who feel that driving Muslims out of the West, as you put it in your 5:34 P.M. post of yesterday, has to occur, I think you have to concede that this won’t happen, can’t happen, as long as Islam is treated as some kind of positive. Even the most diehard commenter here at JW respecting the necessity of deporting Muslims en masse from Western nations, voegelinian, would have to concede that a preliminary step to this would have to be Islam being seen for what it truly is, i.e., a freedom-crushing, totalitarian ideology which is not just another religion and many of whose doctrines are directly at odds with basic Western principles like separation of church and state, liberty in general, equality under the law, etc.

          Now, when (better be “when” and not “if”) this happens, this is where I differ with someone like you and voegelinian. From such a point onwards, I do not think it necessary, lawful, constitutional or even ethical to just round-up all Muslims and deport them, “drive them out” as you put it. And think about the logistics involved. And where are you going to drive them to? You see, this is where I think folks like you, who have the right instincts about Islam, are the ones engaging in pie-in-the sky solutions or fantasies.

          Once again, just as Nazism and Communism and American Nazis and American Communists were allowed to function in America during WWII and the Cold War respectively, so should it be the case with Islam and Muslims. But this comes with the proviso that Islam is no longer looked upon as a good thing and Muslims are looked upon as losers or worse by the vast majority of Americans (and those of other Western nations), Thereafter, Islam and Muslims will be marginalized in one Western society after another, looked upon as the pariahs they are—-just like the followers of the other two totalitarian ideologies I mentioned. And I’m not as worried about the birth rate as some. I think it’s overblown. Already Iran is having a declining birth rate and predictions some ten years ago that Israeli Arabs would evenutally outpopulate Israeli Jews have proven way off. Besides, another feature of defeating Islam and consigning it to the trash heap of history is that Muslims in the millions upon millions will realize what a farce of a religion they were brought up in and will leave it completely (though not without danger to them in many instances). Some ex-Muslims who post here at JW (e.g., Saleem Smith), have many times mentioned that huge numbers of Muslims have huge doubts about their religion but are afraid to get away from it because of all the apostasy penalties in Islamic doctrine for doing so. But I predict that as the years march on, more and more Muslims will find the courage to defy what they were told is the truth. In short, Islam will start to collapse from within as well as from without.

          Well, enough for now. Again, I welcome your comments and I must say that I find it amusing that you think I’m the naive one on this particular matter we disagree about and I’m convinced you are the one who is naive. Well, that’s OK. We can agree to disagree about this as we continue to agree on so much else where man’s worst religion of all time is concerned. Take care for now, pal.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 4:09 pm

          Wellington wrote:

          “…I think you have to concede that this [deportation of Muslims from the West] won’t happen, can’t happen, as long as Islam is treated as some kind of positive. Even the most diehard commenter here at JW respecting the necessity of deporting Muslims en masse from Western nations, voegelinian, would have to concede that a preliminary step to this would have to be Islam being seen for what it truly is, i.e., a freedom-crushing, totalitarian ideology…”

          Well, DUH. Who in their right mind would push for deportation in terms of a context (our currently actual context) where the West can’t even wrap its collective mind around a criticism of Islam, much less the condemnation it so richly deserves (and beyond that, the rational suspicion against its millions of votaries, Muslims)? When someone feels the need to articulate something so self-evidently elementary, this may be a sign that something is fundamentally amiss with their argument.

          Wellington goes on:

          “…when …this happens, this is where I differ with someone like you and voegelinian. From such a point onwards, I do not think it necessary, lawful, constitutional or even ethical to just round-up all Muslims and deport them, “drive them out” as you put it. And think about the logistics involved. And where are you going to drive them to?…”

          As William F. Buckley would observe and wonder rhetorically with his disarmingly canny eyebrows and wicked glint: It’s not necessary or lawful or constitutional or even ethical…? How convenient that one is able to object to deportation with all one’s guns! — particularly when any one (or at least two) of these may well suffice.

          The linchpin, however, with Wellington, I’ve noticed over well nigh years of beating my head against the wall (with an insanely copious amount of back-and-forth volleys about which I have dedicated at least three blog posts summarized in this one) of his strangely stubborn inability to acknowledge the crux of the matter, lies in the word “necessity”. At the end of the day, one reasonably concludes that deportation demurrers like Wellington and other Jihad Watch Softies must have somehow whittled the problem of Islam (which perforce is the problem of 1.3 billion Mohammedans) down to manageable size in their minds, such that they do not envision that the West will have to do anything “unlawful”, “unconstitutional”, “unnecessary”, or even “unethical”. How marvelous, that this metastasizing problem of a global revival of Islam, historically unprecedented in its vertiginously deadly proortions by virtue of three factors never before enjoyed by Muslims — technology (don’t quibble with sophistry here and adduce medieval technology, for you know what I mean with our modern technology and its unique advantages conferred upon the undeserving minions of Islam), mass immigration, and mass stupidity of their enemy — should be so manageable that the free world will not have to worry its pretty big head about soiling its white suit and doing anything “unlawful”, “unconstitutional”, “unnecessary”, or even “unethical”! At any rate, the more reasonably real Islam that threatens us through the fanatically inspired activities its followers does so on the pragmatic level analogous to a house on fire. One doesn’t fish around the trunks of the attic for the mortgage papers when smoke is afoot and one’s fellow house-members remain complacement; one proceeds straight to addressing the pragmatic problem — which includes pragmatic impediments to it if they exist.

          (And I’m only getting started on the red herrings and straw men and muddled argumentation involved in those tendentious terms Wellington adduced; but do not have time nor energy at this juncture to unpack that particularly irksome piece of luggage.)

        • Wellington says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 5:36 pm

          Voegelinian: It was not my intention to denigrate you in my last post to UnEasyOne. I merely wanted to state the reality that before those like you who want mass deportation of Muslims from the West, a preceding event has to occur, to wit, that the vast bulk of the population of a Western nation that would engage in such deportation (including a large percentage of its political and judicial elites) would have to finally see Islam for the wretched and threatening ideology that it is. You didn’t have to be sarcastic as you were because I simply laid out this necessary precondition (which, btw, we’re not yet at and I haven’t really come across you saying that this has to occur first before deportation—-you sorta’, kinda’ just go to “the deportation thing” and skip over this absolutely necessary precondition—-talk about a dearth of specifics on your part.)

          As for mass deportation of Muslims, under present American constitutional and statutory law, this simply could not occur. Not even remotely. It is here where you are highly unrealistic and uninformed. I don’t think you could convince a single federal judge at any level of the federal judiciary of the legal validity of your proposal——and yet you think I’m the one with the problem, that I’m a “JW Softie,” that I’m the one who doesn’t get it, etc. Well, voegelinian, I seek realistic solutions to real problems. You, by contrast, seek unrealistic solutions to real problems. This doesn’t add up to my or others being “soft” (and you’d have to include Robert Spencer himself here since he has never called for mass deportation of Muslims from America; Geert Wilders too in The Netherlands; Allen West, Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich back here in America, et al.) Yep, I guess we’re just all “Softies” as you claim and you got it right. Huh-uh. Oh man, I know you think I just don’t get it but please know that I think the same of you.

          One last matter: Assuming, for argument’s sake, that your mass deportation would occur, either quite significant novel interpretations of the American Constitution would first have to occur by the American judiciary or Congress would have to pass new legislation ensuring that this occurred (and remove judicial review of such legislation pursuant to Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution). You know this or should know it. Everyone else should too who is calling for mass deportation of Mo’s followers. Simply calling for driving Muslims out of the West without reference to the legal mechanics of how this could occur, never mind the massive logistics involved, is truly pie-in-the sky stuff and, essentially, of no worth.

        • UnEasyOne says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 5:49 pm

          Thanks for dealing with my paranoia 🙂 It is as I thought it was, but I like to clear up potential misunderstandings before they cause a problem.

          A few other points: You said: “Thereafter, Islam and Muslims will be marginalized in one Western society after another, looked upon as the pariahs they are—-just like the followers of the other two totalitarian ideologies I mentioned. ”

          That’s already the case in Europe; the link I sent you yesterday made that abundantly clear. But it may already be too late for Europe and anyway, the muslims just use that as an excuse not to assimilate. Like you, I think Nazis and the communists are more apt comparisons with islam than, for example, Baptists.

          Naziism, Communism and islamlsm are all quasi religious authoritarian ideologies who cannot survive in competition with a free, constitutional form of government – particularly one that tolerates free speech. So if muslims are willing to publicly denounce rape, slavery, banditry, torture for money, pedophilia, assassination of critics, wars of conquest, taqiyya, chopping off the heads of helpless POWs – after raping their wives and children in front of them – as evil and acknowledge that Mohammed either did or authorized all this and more, quoting chapter and verse of the koran and haddiths to prove it and clearly state that Mohammed himself was evil and instigated a tremendous amount of ongoing evil before he died; child marriage, for example. Once they have acknowledged that, they have all blasphemed and all are apostate. There is safety in numbers. When there are lots of apostates, we can protect them; they can protect each other.

          If they don’t backslide, they can stay. If they do, they’re out. No one who teaches what islam does is compatible with western democracy. They will tell you that themselves – but they think WE have to change to fit their ideology. Sorry, but you have to go.

        • UnEasyOne says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 4:46 am

          RESPONSE TO LL & W

          Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. Worse, he actually believed that the black race was inferior to the white and said so. Yet he is probably the man I admire most in history.

          OTOH, he made attempts in the legislature and the Declaration to end the practice, which would have bankrupted him and possibly sent him to jail. Freeing slaves wasn’t simply a matter of signing a paper and BINGO! A free man emerged into the sunshine. The former master was the guarantor/responsible for the good behavior of the former slave. A cash bond had to be posted. The amount varied, but it was sizable. Plus, Jefferson (who had inherited the slaves) was always in debt, and it was illegal to just “give away” valuable property like slaves. Any slaves he freed would have simply been rounded up and sold at auction, while Jefferson went to jail.

          But when he became president, he had another chance to confront the issue. muslim pirates had been rampaging inn the Mediterranean and elsewhere for a long time for loot and slaves. It has been estimated that a million or more christian women and children had been taken as sex slaves. that’s not counting the men.

          Even though our ships were being attacked and our citizens enslaved, it took our first pacifist president (That Jefferson was a pacifist is my opinion, but he tended to send out explorers rather than armies.) to put an end to the Barbary pirates, on …”The shores of Tripoli…” So our first war was against muslim slavers. TJ ACTED, without a declaration of war or other such niceties. FDR ACTED when he rounded up the Japanese during WWII. I’m sure he believed that worship of their Emperor as a living god put them beyond the pale of our reason. Whether he was right or not. One advantage of our system is that a president can ACT!

          Constitutional or unconstitutional is something decided by the courts after the fact. National security is a very powerful tool i the hands of a president determined to keep us secure.

          I would offer two choices:

          A) Publicly and on video, enumerate the crimes of Mohammed and denounce them as evil. Be prepared to pass a test demonstrating the context and accuracy Then renounce Mohammed as evil. Or,

          B) Leave.

          Falsely making this declaration should make the declarer subject to espionage laws.

          That’s a terrible solution; show me a better one and I’ll adopt it in a heartbeat. I think it’s the ONLY possible solution.

        • ECAW says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 5:34 am

          Thanks for that very interesting post. I’m glad to see increasing discussion about how to curb Islamisation of the West through legal means as an alternative to civil war. The tide has to slow, stop and turn of course before it became anything like a possibility, and I’m relying on IS and our home grown jihadis to make the case obvious in the not too distant future. I have been collecting these sorts of proposals and have found four. If anyone knows of any others I would be glad to know of them:

          http://cjhsla.org/2013/12/28/geert-wilders-10-points-plan-to-save-the-west-geert-wilders/

          http://europenews.dk/files/EuropeCharter.pdf

          http://www.qsociety.org.au/downloads/Qon_12_practical_steps_to_stop_Islamisation_20Feb2014.pdf

          http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6609-zero-tolerance-liberty-gb-s-new-islam-manifesto

          My own tentative view, and I admit I’ve barely started to think about it yet, would be to separate personal belief and the view that that belief must take over the world by political or violent means. I don’t like the very dubious distinction between Islam and Islamism but it would be a handy marker. The first, a quietist Islam, presents no problem whereas the second should be defined as sedition and its followers should be given a choice of leaving or facing the law. Any comments?

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 1:16 pm

          Wellington wrote:

          ” I merely wanted to state the reality that before those like you who want mass deportation of Muslims from the West, a preceding event has to occur, to wit, that the vast bulk of the population of a Western nation that would engage in such deportation (including a large percentage of its political and judicial elites) would have to finally see Islam for the wretched and threatening ideology that it is.”

          Yes preceding events have to occur before deportation of Muslims from the West can occur. Obviously it goes without saying that the Western Demos (which because of the greatness of the West — sans the usual imperfections which also go without saying — includes its “Elites”) has to realize how bad Islam is. But the West also has to realize the logical corrollary: how bad Muslims are.

          Secondly, it’s not about how “wretched” Islam is. No one in their right mind would deport millions of people just because they belong to a “wretched” ideology; that is not grounds for deportation — unless ‘wretched” includes the crucially important other qualifiers like,they are mass-murdering us and are plotting to mass-murder more of us in the context of trying to destabilize and destroy our society LITERALLY not just in vaguely abstract or aesthetically repellant terms.

          Thirdly (for now), one of the events that has to occur for deportation to be viable in the future is a very broad and deep and protracted event: a change of mind relative to the aforementioned danger of Muslims — a concrete danger of them mass-murdering us, not merely some abstract danger about ideas and principles and aesthetics.

          And this societal change of mind that has to happen in the near future will be much less likely to happen if even we Canaries in the Coalmine of the Counter-Jihad keep applying the brakes and putting up mental roadblocks to it — as you and the Jihad Watch Softies have been hard at work doing for years.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 1:29 pm

          ECAW wrote:

          “would be to separate personal belief and the view that that belief must take over the world by political or violent means. I don’t like the very dubious distinction between Islam and Islamism but it would be a handy marker. The first, a quietist Islam, presents no problem whereas the second should be defined as sedition ”

          That’s all fine and dandy — except for the nagging little facts that “personal belief” and “quietist Islam” don’t exist in Islam — they only exist a) in the minds of Westerners trying to fit the square peg of Islam into the round hole of Western concepts, and b) in the mouths of lying Muslims trying to deceive (and too often succeeding).

        • ECAW says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 1:57 pm

          I understand your point. From what I gather Ismailis are genuinely quietist and Ahmadis really believe in solely peaceful Dawa. I’m probably wrong about that but I wouldn’t want to go by witch pricking means any way. Suppose you banned anything to do with sharia, chopped the minarets off mosques, banned halal, banned certain parts of the scriptures, banned Islamic faith schools, demanded a pledge of allegiance to the country superior to their religion etc. ie an Islam lite. I imagine the majority would prefer to go elsewhere and the remainder would be watched like hawks. Those found to be lying would be tried for sedition then deported to wherever would have them. As a last resort we would have to make an arrangement with somewhere or other – Sudan would be nice.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 1:38 pm

          To reiterate, Wellington continues, year after year, to labor under a delusion, a subtle delusion but one that has potentially important consequences: namely, that the problem of Islam is that a vaguely abstract ideological, moral and aesthetic problem — that Islam is a “wretched” ideology. Wellington tends to accentuate this vague objection, and to minimize if not ignore the more important, crucial, concrete nature of the problem:

          to wit, that a) Muslims are mass-murdering us and are plotting to mass-murder more of us in the context of trying to destabilize and destroy our society LITERALLY not just in vaguely abstract or aesthetically repellant terms; and that b) we cannot distinguish the Muslims actively doing this on the front lines (and in the secondary manner of espionage) from the vast seas of tens of millions of Muslims all over the world and increasingly in the West including the Muslims who ostensibly are not doing us any harm and often even seem nice and friendly.

          One we factor in (a) intelligently, it’s not a matter of trying to find a Constitutional or legal loophole — it’s about trying to prevent our house from literally burning down for fuck sake. And that effort to save our burning house (and the family therein from being LITERALLY KILLED) perforce, once we factor in (b), must include total deportation.

          But the West may never go through the mental and cultural adjustment that is the necessary predisposition to even entertaining it seriously, if the Western people keep putting up mental and emotional roadblocks to it — as Wellington and the other Jihad Watch Softies have been doing their part to do for years.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm

          Muslims in America, voegelinian, are simply not mass-murdering Americans. Yes, there are numerous Muslim atrocities in America over the past twenty years or so but the chances that an American will be killed by a Muslim still remains infinitesimally small—-a tiny, tiny fraction of a 1% chance. So, you get this wrong. And you will get nowhere by saying something to the effect that such mass murders will occur in the future. They might but legally acting upon this “might” is simply not going to happen.

          Further fallacies in your reasoning follow thereafter, not the least of which is your refusal to go into detail about just how we would, en masse, deport Muslims. How exactly would this be accomplished, taking into account constitutional, legal and logistical matters? And where would we deport them to and who would agree to take them in? Just dealing with the American judiciary and convincing it of the constitutional and legal correctness of deporting Muslims en masse would require, I submit, the single biggest turn-around of judicial thinking in American history, even dwarfing how the 1954 Brown case reversed the 1896 Plessy v. Ferguson decision.

          Look, I wish there were no Muslims in America (extremely few would be good enough). But there are. And we’re stuck with these losers. And mass deportation is a non-starter as far as a solution to dealing with them is concerned. My solution involves such things as having Islam finallly seen by the vast majority of Americans, including the power elites, as an ideology which is deserving of no respect and which is, in fact, counter to basic American constitutional guarantees (we’re gettin’ there but we’re certainly not there yet but events will take us there eventually, courtesy of Islam not being able to help revealing over time just how awful it is), prosecuting to the max any Muslim acting in the name of his faith when it is a violation of American law, prohibiting by legislation any of Sharia which is unconstitutional or illegal (a few state legislatures have already begun to do this), and finding legal pretexts to virtually stop further Muslim immigration to America. Becoming energy independent would be a very big hlep as well here. By contrast, your approach to this admittedly big problem is full of fantasy and a gross ignorance of American law.

          As ever I remain

          An Old JW Softie,

          Wellington

        • Neil Jennison says

          Nov 2, 2014 at 4:46 pm

          Don’t waste your efforts on Vogey. He is far more interested in his ego than the problem of Islam.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 3, 2014 at 12:25 am

          Wellington wrote:

          “Muslims in America, voegelinian, are simply not mass-murdering Americans”

          This is a straw man. It astounds that such a long-time Jihad Watch reader & veteran would even proffer such a straw man — as though the only danger comes from visibly exploding & beheading Muslims (or lighting a fuse or brandishing a sword). After all these years of reading JW, Wellington cannot connect those thousands of dots that link all Muslims together (“in America” — and anywhere) in their ideology which is a living blueprint for our mass-murder, and the planned destruction of our society (which destruction does not have to succeed to be robustly defended against with proactive intelligence and action). Astounding.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 3, 2014 at 9:55 pm

          Voegelinian: A living blueprint for mass-murder is quite different than actual mass-murder. Don’t forget next time you talk about mass-murder you make this distinction. Sloppy of you (exceedingly so) if you don’t.

          But, on this same matter, let’s suppose you’re completely correct that mass deportation of Muslims in America needs to occur, that other solutions (like mine) to dealing with Islam and Muslims in America are feeble, if not pathetic and dangerous.

          OK, provide the details respecting how this will be accomplished, step by step. Including how the American judiciary will go along with this, the Congress, an American President, the way Muslims in America will be rounded up, how they will be deported, where they will be deported to, etc. Oh yeah, show me the money.

        • Champ says

          Nov 3, 2014 at 11:01 pm

          Wellington wrote:

          OK, provide the details respecting how this will be accomplished, step by step. Including how the American judiciary will go along with this, the Congress, an American President, the way Muslims in America will be rounded up, how they will be deported, where they will be deported to, etc. Oh yeah, show me the money.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Exactly, Wellington …this is what it boils down to.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 5, 2014 at 3:37 pm

          Wellington wrote:

          “Voegelinian: A living blueprint for mass-murder is quite different than actual mass-murder. Don’t forget next time you talk about mass-murder you make this distinction. Sloppy of you (exceedingly so) if you don’t. ”

          Wellington only puts two things on the table here —

          1) a living blueprint for mass-murder

          2) actual mass-murder

          — omitting a crucial third thing:

          3) a living blueprint for mass-murder

          a) that has already been activated several times (um, remember 911…? — and every plot to mass-murder us that we have luckily aborted counts in addition to the plots that have been horribly realized)

          b) that thrives in various parts of the world in a context of intent for the worst (e.g., al qaeda’s explicit goal discovered in the 1990s to mass-murder 2 to 3 million Americans) — to try to wreak utmost havoc on us at times and places we may well not be able to predict; an intent that, again, is systemic (broad-based & whose extent is unknown by us) and metastasizing (getting horribly worse).

          Factoring in 3a+b — as Wellington strangely, astoundingly continues to fail to do after all these years of plowing through the drearily ghastly mountains of dots and oceans of data Jihad Watch has been reporting over a decade year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day — we can no longer be as complacently abstract about this problem as Wellington seems to be.

          Every week that I survey a week’s report on Jihad Watch of the ghastly, ghoulish, horrific, terrifying hill of oozing deadly toxic shit Muslims spew out, I am boggled, aggrieved and increasingly sickened by the Jihad Watch Softies who continue, in November of 2014, to think in 9:18 a.m 9/11/01 terms.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 5, 2014 at 6:43 pm

          Your phantom distinction, voegelinian, between 1) “a blueprint for mass murder” and 3) “a blueprint for mass murder” followed by a) and b) aside, I request again, assuming you are completely correct about the necessity of deportation of Muslims en masse from America, how you propose this can be accomplished, taking into account the American judiciary, the Congress, how the “round-up” will occur, the destination that Muslims will be sent to, where they will be received, etc.

          I AM GIVING YOU, for argument’s sake, THE VALIDITY OF YOUR PROPOSAL. Get this? Well, then, provide me the specifics of what I have requested. Forget about my proposals. Just assume they are awful. Provide me how you will accomplish what you have proposed time and time again.

  26. ECAW says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    This bit is interesting:

    “any activities that “justify hatred” against people on the grounds of religion”

    Just reading the verses we all know about from the Koran would qualify wouldn’t it? I know you wouldn’t be arrested for reading them on the street but what if you also read them with the word “unbeliever” substituted by “Muslim”? Would it not be an interesting experiment?

    • Sweetness says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:19 pm

      Yes! Now That Is an Interesting Idea! good job, ecaw!

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 8:42 pm

      That’s a damn good idea!

      Maybe you could have some fun with the Pact of Omar, too.

      Rewrite it so as to apply its assorted repressive provisions to *Muslims*.

      Then, when people scream and yell, point out that *that* is merely what the sharia of Islam requires to be done to *all* non-Muslims resident within lands ruled by Muslims.

  27. KrazyKafir says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    I guess we can know find out what the UKIP is made of. They should be screaming bloody Hell. Are they?

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 5:49 pm

      ”I guess we can know find out what the UKIP is made of. They should be screaming bloody Hell. Are they?”

      I’ve just written to Nigel Farage, asking him what he’s going to do about this, and how he will use it in the election campaigns.

      If I get a reply, I’ll post it here.

      • KrazyKafir says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 9:39 am

        Thank you, Mirren10

  28. Terry says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    In Missouri and ag-gag law was defeated. In Idaho it passed. (cannot show abuse and torture of animals in the process of being slaughtered or how dirty the facility).

    With freedom of speech in the US, it is hard to see polit-gag happening; but then Obama using Cloward Pivens to orchestrate crises for change, ie letting in 10s of thousands of illegals this summer and goading Ferguson, he may just do it by executive order.

    However as stated above, “This is far beyond anything Orwellian or even Kafkaesque. This is pure submission, surrender (called “islam” in Arabic, right?).”

  29. Richard says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    All these changes and troubles.
    And All this to accommodate Muslims and Islam…
    This will not stop people from speaking out… How many people who was put to death under Rome for not submitting to Rome’s will.

    Even protestants.. How many none conformists Christians were persecuted.
    In sciences and arts….

    This will only make it more attractive.
    you might be able to stop people speaking out directly about gay marriage or Islam’s and sharia…
    But looking back. Things had been said symbolically,during these forbidding times. It even formed secret societies.that’s why many had become secret. Because they was outlawed.

    These truths can be preached through fictions, illustrations.

  30. Arafat says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    JihadWatch commenters please make a difference. Take the time to support Bill Maher’s invitation to speak at Cal Berkeley. There are a half dozen articles you can write a comment to at Cal Berkeley’s student newspaper.

    Take the time to do this!

  31. Mirren10 says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    I think the Tories have signed their own death warrant with this. Because of the apathy of certain sections of the population, camoron and may think they can do whatever they want, and no-one will stand against them.

    They are wrong.

    I’ve just written to Nigel Farage, asking him how he will use this atrocious attempt at smothering the free speech of Britons, in his election campaign. If he doesn’t use it, I’m transferring my support to Paul Weston, of LibertyGB.

    I actually much prefer Mr Weston to Farage, because he gets to the nub of the matter, but pragmatically, at the moment, Farage has a more realistic chance of being elected. However, I’ve sent a message of support to Paul Weston, and a small donation. I’m going to sign up and see what I can do to help, and I hope other UK posters will seriously think about doing the same.

    *If* the treacherous, traitorous Tories succeed in a) being re-elected, and b) then implement this utterly disgraceful and totalitarian proposal, they will have brought civil war to the streets of Britain, that much closer.

    However, I refuse to succumb to despair. Look at the video below, and realise there *are* British people who are willing to fight for liberty.

    I *refuse* to go meekly into the dark night.

    • Henry says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:50 pm

      I’m an American who has lived in Britain for 28 years. Although I like Nigel Farage a lot, UKIP doesn’t fully grasp the nettle of Islam, so I joined Liberty GB, where they do.

      The proposed new law would be a significant blow to believers in freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and civil liberties. It is yet another very troubling development in a string of reversals to reason, and sanity.
      Worrying levels of indifference, political correctness, and naivety on issues concerned with Islam, the erosion of our rights and values is very disheartening, and lamentable. Those of us who see these issues clearly must not give in, and continue to speak out against this madness with all of the courage we can muster.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 8:56 pm

      Mirren

      bless you!

      “However, I refuse to succumb to despair. Look at the video below, and realise there *are* British people who are willing to fight for liberty.

      I *refuse* to go meekly into the dark night.”

      YES.

      I would also encourage UK – the many who lurk and do not post – to consider joining the Royal Society of St George, so as to reaffirm the best of your culture. If *enough* Islamoaware English people joined, all together, the Society could become a powerful force.

      http://www.royalsocietyofstgeorge.com/

      And here’s the thing : the Society encourages patriotic people (whether members or not) to fly the flag of England – the Cross of St Georg e – from their house, business, or other institution. It tells you how to go about it.

      http://www.royalsocietyofstgeorge.com/other_premises.htm

      Fly the Flag, as your own personal gesture of defiance…Imagine if *every* Islamosavvy Briton flew the flag (and sent a photo to the Royal Society of St George, of their house or flat so doing. How many flags would appear, up and down the country?).

      The Muslims *hate* the Cross and the display of the Cross. And if someone just puts up the flag at random, you’re likely to be attacked by the usual dhimmis. BUT: suppose you put up the flag, someone complains, and you refer them to The Royal Society of St George, which is under the patronage of Her Majesty, no less? And state that you are taking part in their “fly the flag” campaign?? Gee, things could get interesting, then.

      (Scots could always put up two flags – the UK flag and the Cross of St Andrew; ditto the Welsh – Union Jack plus the Pendragon, which annoys Islam by being a visual representation of a living creature out of non-Muslim mythology; and of course, they could also fly the Cross of St George in a declaration of solidarity with their fellow Islanders, whose Muslim infestation is at present, so far as I know, far worse – further advanced – than their own).

      • Jen says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 9:19 pm

        These are good ideas. Keep showing pride in British culture. Keep pushing. Do not let these people intimidate you. They’re just scum.

        Almost everyone with British family has surely got at least one person who has sacrificed their life for our freedoms. As a showing of gratitude for their sacrifices we shall never give up!

        I wish I could be over there right now. I think I’d be creating a ruckus because of my sheer anger over what is going on.

        Our country, our culture. Get lost you Muslim invaders!

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 11:58 pm

      Hear, hear, Mirren!

    • Champ says

      Nov 2, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      Brava, Mirren10!! …you’re a courageous inspiration, my friend!

  32. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    If this becomes law, Britain is finished as a free society.

    Let us not forget that our next president, Hillary, signed not once but twice the OIC UN resolution to make it a crime in member nations (i.e., the whole entire world) to criticize a religion. The first signature was before she hooked up with the Huma Abedin, the one from the heavily terror-linked family.

    Also, now that Prez Barack Hussein cut loose ICANN, the door is wide open for nations to restrict what is visible on the Internet in their countries. Say, for example, if the UK decided to shut down Jihadwatch.org and GatesOfVienna.com because of the extremist hate they disgorge every day.

  33. tpellow says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    And in Germany-

    “Germany: Silencing the Critics of Munich’s Mega-Mosque”

    by Soeren Kern.

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4820/munich-mega-mosque

  34. tpellow says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    And, The Netherlands-

    “Netherlands: When the Questions Become the Crime”

    by Abigail R. Esman.

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4819/netherlands-free-speech

  35. pdxnag says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    Is this like a chess match where only one player is allowed to move pieces?

  36. jewdog says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    This is the societal equivalent of TSA screening in that it tries to be fair by generalizing checks and controls that need only apply to one sector of society.
    The result is that Muslim supremacists will grow in power as they slyly evade the law while their most formidable opponents, the people who understand the ideological issues, will be crushed. Ultimately, Britain will be the big loser.

  37. gerard says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    Theresa May would do well to have some “field experience”. Let her live in Pakistan or Iran for a month or two. (Incognito, of course). Then come back and tell us how we must welcome Shariah….
    I know she is not quite saying we must accept Shariah (not yet anyway) but she is adding another brick to the path/road of Islam into our country.
    (Shariah means path, way).

    • Rob says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 7:00 pm

      Could she have a few cms cut off her genitals as well?
      I don’t want her lording it over other Muslim women about how she enjoys a good shag.

      • Jen says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 9:06 pm

        LOL!

  38. Richard says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Ok, before we panic let’s get one thing straight, this is a proposed law by the Conservative party. In order to become law it must pass parliament as it is too controversial to enact by decree.

    There is a general election in the UK in May and the mainstream parties are sitting themselves. The referendum in Scotland was a huge shot across the bows of the establishment who have been complacent in undermining core support over the years.

    Thus proposed law will never make it into the statute books, why? Because there will be a backbench right wing tory revolt and I would be very surprised if their coalition partners in the liberals would clear it due to its impact on freedom of themselves as UKIP are all over them at the moment. There is no way a law like this will be voted for by their marginal seat MP s.

    This all started 15 years ago when that price Blair brought in an act that made it illegal to cause offence. Terrible law that is routinely criticised by left and right alike. B the fact that Cameron etc are even considering bringing this in shows how out of touch the leadership of the party are with their voters.

    Britain is still a democracy, there is a general election in May and Mark my words the mainstream parties will get a very nasty wake up c as ll.

    So please, by all means call my government a bunch of pussies but don’t lay the same accusation at the people, I can assure you we are very fed up and this will be demonstrated at the polls.

    • Wellington says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      A very solid and informative comment, Richard. Thank you for it.

      I am an American with no British blood in me but one who esteems the greatness of British civilization. This is precisely the reason why, when I first started to comment here at JW many years ago, I took the name of “Wellington.” I actually debated taking the name of “Wellington” or “Grant” since I highly regard first-class, successful military men who are too often not appreciated enough and are even discarded after they have helped rescue their nation, as Arthur Wellesley and Ulysses Simpson Grant surely did. I finally opted for “Wellington” out of deference to the Mother Country. First in line and all that.

      But I digress. More to the point and to the topic at hand is your eminently correct distinction between your government and the people. Yes, your government sucks right now, but so does the American government. And so no gloating should be engaged in by Americans or others as Britain, surely now, is suffering greatly due to the many ways too many clueless elites in your nation continue to shill for Islam. This cluelessness by elites can easily be found in one Western nation after another. It appears that it is even worse in Britain than in America or elsewhere, but this is only a matter of degree, not difference.

      Damn the current crop of Western elites in one Western nation after another. They are actually more despicable than even the most fervent Muslims because at least the most fervent Muslims know what they are about. The current body of Western elites, by contrast, do not. John Kerry could be the poster boy for this most horrible betrayal and cluelessness of our time by those in charge, as easily could Cameron, Blair and, last but certainly not least, Obama. Of course, there are many other “worthy” candidates out there for this most dubious of distinctions. Many. And they can be found in one Western nation after another. Damn them all for all time.

      Again, thanks for your post. Know that a huge number of Americans, millions upon millions, are with the British people as they continue to be betrayed by their own government. At least this much you can count on.

    • Jen says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 8:40 pm

      I hope so.

      I want these Muslim invaders to bugger off. My prayer is for enormous backlash from the British public about everything to do with Islam. Sharia. The lot of it.

      They do not belong in any civilized society with their so-called “religion.”
      This useless distinction between “moderate” and “radical” Islam has to go. All of them, or their children, are future potential jihadists so long as they’re a Muslim.

      I dream of the day when these smug Muslims like Anjem who think they’re going to succeed, get that smile wiped off their faces.

      • gerard says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 9:10 pm

        “I want these Muslim invaders to bugger off.”
        You and me both.
        Nicely put btw!

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 2, 2014 at 3:26 pm

        “I dream of the day when these smug Muslims like Anjem who think they’re going to succeed, get that smile wiped off their faces.”

        And, more importantly, slier Muslims like Maajid Nawaz.

  39. mtnrat says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    This is an obvious attempt to shut down UKIP and Liberty GB. The ruling elite will do anything to stay in power. They will be the last to be affected. They just haven’t figured out that they will be on the chopping block as well. It will just take a little longer.

  40. Ed says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    This makes absolutely no sense. To me, it appears that their politicians are being influenced by outsiders.
    It would be interesting to research how Saudi Arabia has been using all the petrodollars to take over the world.
    For western societies to bar freedoms just like that.
    Back during the cold war, the enemy was clearly identified, the communists, and the entire west was united and polarized against it.
    Today, we are not allowed to identify the enemy, islam, and the entire west is losing the war.

  41. Rob says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    It’s not Cameron and May who should be charged with treason but Blair, Brown and Mandelson.
    Look at these comments, several years apart and still as cussedly dimwitted as ever.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/30/tony-blair-warns-miliband-curbing-inflation-would-be-disaster-for-uk

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/peter-hill/281295/Tony-Blair-needs-a-good-shake

  42. gerard says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Put May in a Burkha. That would be one instance where it would be an improvement!

  43. David, Thailand says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Of greater concern should be that by moving so radically in this direction the electorate might believe it’s time for a change in government, whilst the country is unlikely to survive another term under Labour.

    • Chris Fox says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      David, Thailand is not without it’s problems, but, I’m sure it’s not the largest open air asylum for the severly mentally ill.

  44. dumbledoresarmy says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    UK jihadwatchers – and Canadians?? do you do this one? I know Aussies don’t , alas – may like to consider ways of creatively celebrating Guy Fawkes Day.

    “Please to remember/ the fifth of November/ Gunpowder, treason and plot”.

    I can think of sooo many – starting with the Head Thug himself and source of it all, Mohammed Ha Meshugga, Mohammed the Mad and the late unlamented Osama Bin Laden – who could be represented in effigy, scarecrows burning merrily in the bonfire, back to back with the Old Guy, as the fireworks are let off. Why not wrap a scarecrow in the black flag of jihad – easy enough to knock up a representation of one, there are enough pictures about on the internet – and burn it?

    If you have access to a nice private backyard or meadow and know some like-minded persons, a good deal of fun might be had.

    • Kepha says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 10:35 pm

      Sounds like a great idea. After all, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament and Queen Elizabeth I with it, no? Bin Laden and Mad Mo were out to destroy civilization on an even wider scale.

      • Wellington says

        Oct 31, 2014 at 10:48 pm

        Fawkes’s attempt, Kepha, was made in November of 1605, by which time Good Queen Bess had been dead some two and a half years. The monarch at the time was, of course, James I and VI, first of the Stuart dynasty, which dynasty produced only one really shrewd monarch, that being Charles II.

      • BC says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 5:05 am

        I hope you are not British as you have a poor knowledge of our history!
        If you are not it is no excuse, FACTS can be easily found on the net.
        Before quoting history look it up

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 31, 2014 at 11:48 pm

      ”I can think of sooo many – starting with the Head Thug himself and source of it all, Mohammed Ha Meshugga, Mohammed the Mad and the late unlamented Osama Bin Laden – who could be represented in effigy, scarecrows burning merrily in the bonfire, back to back with the Old Guy, as the fireworks are let off”

      We did this last year, dda, and fully intend to do the same this year.

      This year, I feel inclined to include not only the black flag of jihad, but camoron and may … 🙂

    • Oswald says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 5:14 am

      Guy Fawkes Day as the occasion for fireworks in Australia wasn’t celebrated. Instead Empire Day on May 24th, Queen Victoria’s birthday, was the event used. Overtime public fireworks supplemented the backyard bonfire and these tended to be arranged for the Queen’s Birthday long weekend in the first half of June, by 1966. Safety concerns led to the banning of the sale of fireworks to private individuals in various states by the late 90s and today the public fireworks that are held are just another long weekend firework display put on by local councils or state governments in the capital cities.

    • Alissa says

      Nov 2, 2014 at 12:07 am

      No Canadians don’t have Guy Fawkes Day (even though loads of us have British roots). Sounds like a great idea though. Allow people to de-stress and have some fun. Who would I represent in effigy…geeze where to start…everyone you mentioned plus Obama, Biden, and a few locals like Justin Trudeau but not the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper because he is a good man.

      • Theo says

        Nov 2, 2014 at 7:50 am

        We celebrate Guy Fawkes day in Newfoundland. Commonly called Bonfire Night, it has been enjoyed as far back as I remember. Don’t mind Canada…….we were a republic ages before Confederation with them in 1949.
        Or as we are fond of quipping, they joined us !

        • pumbar says

          Nov 3, 2014 at 8:50 am

          That’s a really cool fact! Thanks for that.

  45. gp says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    “Freedom Go To Hell”

  46. mortimer says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

    Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

    William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!

    Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!

    • Morgan H says

      Nov 2, 2014 at 6:12 am

      I’ve always loved “A Man for all Seasons” and that quote in particular has stuck with me.
      There probably has been more than one movie made from it but the one I remember had Robert Shaw playing Henry VIII (I forget who played More.) I thought that it was quite well done.

  47. mortimer says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    The enemy is JIHAD, rather than vague ‘extremism’.

    JIHAD is the warfare to subjugate England to discriminatory Sharia law.

    • Jody Robinson says

      Nov 3, 2014 at 10:55 pm

      Sounds like Cameron is giving up in an attempt to convince the terrorists that Britain is not their enemy. Why do politicians seem to believe they won’t be massacred with the rest of us if they pander to the barbarians? They’ll be the first to go! ISIS has stated repeatedly, that they plan to take over the world and destroy all infidels!

  48. johnrowe1 says

    Oct 31, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    Briton and Sweden, BYE BYE Britton, was a pleasure knowing you, unless your public does an armed rebellion you are done, C-YA, Hey same thing in US if we don’t get these socialist and Marxist and Leninist and Muslins out of government and Muslims well new laws, go home!

    Everything is F-ed up…

    JOHN ROWE USMC

    • Chris Fox says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 4:17 pm

      Hi John,
      you are of course, quite correct in your assersions, however, our dumbed down populace will not be prepared to lift a finger to help themselves. We are destined to become an Islamic country, probably sooner than most people think.
      My God, history must already be laughing at us.

      • Joanna says

        Nov 3, 2014 at 7:12 am

        How ironic that next year is the anniversary of Magna Carta- yet I am inclined to take this article with a pinch of salt.
        This has not been made law- it is simply something one MP is airing about.
        It would have to be voted on and debated in the Lords and Commons- and may well fail for lack of support

        I do not think the person who wrote this truly understands the legal and political process of the United Kingdom – making out as though it is just about already law, and proclaiming that Britain is dead because we won’t let him in.

        Yet actually, in my experience, Britain allows more freedom of speech than America – though this can be a double edged sword.

  49. cronk says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 12:13 am

    And when the Muslims realize the English elite won’t touch them no matter what they do, just watch them pile up the corpses of infidels, and they will start with the very government agents that enforce these stupid laws. Their vast estates and manors, teams of political advisers, lawyers and vetted toadies will not protect these fools.

  50. Silvia says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 12:53 am

    Just my two cents. I understand the desperation and pessimism because at times I feel it too but I do feel non muslim Europeans are about to explode. My experience is obviously subjective and completely unscientific but I’ve been reading English news sites for years and I see more and more anti muslim sentiments every day when I almost never saw them 3-4 years ago. I’m talking about an ever growing number of comments (it’s been escalating this year) that express this. I’m not talking about your regular Nazis or garden variety racists. I’m talking about regular people that are not fooled anymore and are worried and scared and with good reason.

    The truth can’t be concealed anymore for many reasons. The horrors Islam commits every day everywhere are there in the media. That has an accumulating effect. The second is the rise of the right in Europe. The most important factor though is the fact that more and more regular Europeans are experiencing the horrors and threats in their PERSONAL LIVES – in school, on the street, in their neighborhoods, at work etc. It can’t be hidden or twisted into something else anymore, not in this technological age.

    On top of it all, the muslims being as violent, arrogant and impulsive as they are, are not even trying to hide it anyway.

    You also have to take into consideration the continuously worsening economy, in great part because of the enormous immigration costs and the damages it causes. It can’t go on like this anyway.

    Non muslims are constantly being backed into a corner. They will snap.

    • Will says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 4:51 am

      Same here!! My impression is one of smouldering hate ONLY held in restraint by the Brit’s tendency to be law abiding and barely at that. It will take just one incident to spark of wholesale anti Muslim acts which , as is usual for this sort of thing, totally miss the ones that should be targeted. Then such icons of freedom as the Guardian and the left will see it as proof that all Brits are “racist” and implement numerous “freedom” laws so that Muslims can molest and kill unchallenged.
      Yes a legal state really appreciates vigilantes and hence Obama’s 1.4 billion rounds of ammo for Home Security to kill fellow Americans not the Muslim scum who deserve it.
      Why are they such a protected species when it should be “open season”? That is the question.

    • Lucy says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 8:11 pm

      You know the media and politicians, at least in the U.S.A., is very different than the populace as a whole. The people underneath the veneer are not what they seem. A few years back, I saw a bunch of Germans commenting on a website. They seem to be stockpiling weapons.

      I don’t know much about England, but I feel England is the same, there’s a veneer of liberalism, with something else seething underneath it all waiting to explode.

    • Lucy says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 8:15 pm

      Here’s a little clip of how this sort of thing works. Bully bully bully and then one day it’s done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_agOnqeEeXw

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 2, 2014 at 6:17 pm

        But this isn’t something we can just assume, Lucy—after all, many formerly free lands have fallen to Islam—including great lands like the Byzantine Empire. We could go the same way if we do not take a stand.

  51. Wtf? says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 4:12 am

    Do not underestimate the growing power of the right. Laws can be repealed provided the right government is elected. The Muslims are a long way from holding a large enough majority to control any western government and their time is dwindling. I have no doubt There will be shocking attacks in our Western communities which will shift the balance to the right forever. I hope they don’t occur but unfortunately they will be the catalyst for change.
    People keep bagging Tony Abbott and Team Australia but this government is on the right course. Sidling pathetic political groups like the Greens and keeping the safety of a Australians paramount.

  52. Boo says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 4:29 am

    So when advocating for gay rights, make sure not to mention how gays are murdered under shariah law. That would make you an extremist?
    My eyes are going crossed. Britian is a laugh stock.

  53. Roddy says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 8:39 am

    Is England a Muslim country now?

    • Michael Warden says

      Nov 3, 2014 at 9:30 am

      No it bloody isn’t.

      • Ian Wingrove says

        Dec 12, 2014 at 4:47 am

        the politicians are doing their best to make it one

    • Tony Davis says

      Dec 12, 2014 at 12:34 pm

      We have been living under sharia shite law for years!!!

  54. Barb R says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 8:44 am

    “… used to curtail the activities of those who ‘spread hate but do not break laws’.”

    Spread hate?

    So if I publicly express rage and hatred for my ex-husband, affectionately known as Rat-Bastard, I would be guilty of extremism and my activities would be “curtailed”? This, coming from the land that gave us the Magna Carta, is too painful to bear. How the mighty have fallen.

  55. Almach says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Hi everyone,
    I knew this was one day coming up.
    I was living in the UK up to mid-August when I then relocated abroad. A week or so before I left, I saw an ad on a London bus, to be more precise the n. 3 from Oxford Circus to Crystal Palace where it said that if you were caught criticising someone´s religion, you could be faced with persecution and even lose your home. I was in utter shock, that´s how repressive the UK has now become regarding their moral relativism and political correctness. I felt menaced and that this ad reaffirmed my decision to leave the country, I understood that in the UK I could not be so outspoken about islam. British people are already quite repressed, they don´t normally show their feelings and now, regarding the muslim invasion issue, that problem has become more apparent: everyone is VERY afraid to say what they feel or think. One of my acquaintances over there is an educator and a social worker, some 10 days before I left we met and as we were discussing about the muslim sex abuse issue spread throughout the country, she confided in me as someone who could no longer hold her disgust, telling me that the issue was much worse than anyone could suspect and that in one of the communities where she used to work, they had to deal with this issue on a regular basis. I said to her that the muslim problem in the UK and Europe was a time bomb and she agreed. About a fortnight later, when I had already left the country, the Roterham case hit the news. Unfortunately, I have a feeling they will very disgracefully go ahead with the implementation of that law, so that might be either the beginning of the end or the start of a civil war.

    • ECAW says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 9:08 am

      I am sorry to see that your solution to the problem is to leave – do you not think it will follow you? – and your friend’s is to keep quiet about it. Neither is going to help much is it?

      • Almach says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 1:13 pm

        Hi,
        Don´t take me wrong, that was not the main reason for me to have left but it did have the effect of precipitating my decision. I do not like the UK anyway (many other reasons, not just the islamisation, long story) and had initially thought about relocating elsewhere in Europe (to Scandinavia to be more specific). I´m half French/Brazilian, and still have a sister and other relatives living in Francislam. Reality check hit me suddenly when I realised that apart from the unending recession among other issues in the UK/Europe, there is this massive muslim immigration that doesn´t seem to come to an end. So destiny and opportunity had it that I was able to come back to Brazil after many many years. This country has its issues, just like any developing countries, but this is still the biggest Catholic/Christian country in the world. I noticed that in this country they´re still in blissful oblivion that islamisation could ever be a problem they´d have to deal with, it just feels so remote for them. They do tend to think that islam is evil, thank goodness, although this plague has also been growing here along with other minor religions, but I think it would take a lot longer as people here are very devout Catholics. This being a Catholic country makes it a safer place for Jews too.
        In any event, over here I can be as blatantly outspoken as I can and can also start promoting my views, along with other people who have the same concern: we´ll do all we can to educate people in this country about this danger.

        • ECAW says

          Nov 1, 2014 at 1:22 pm

          Thanks for taking the time to reply. Good luck to you in Brazil. I bet it’s warmer than where I am.

      • Almach says

        Nov 1, 2014 at 2:50 pm

        Thank you! Well, for one thing, I liked the UK exactly because it´s cool and misty! Brazil is too warm for my taste, but I´ll just have to get used to it.
        We need to stick together all over the world to combat the horror that islam is, everything else pales in comparison.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 7:53 pm

      You can *lose your home* for daring to criticize Islam in the UK? *Terrifying*. And this is not the Mohammedans themselves enforcing this Shari’ah madness, but suicidal dhimmi tools.

      • Almach says

        Nov 3, 2014 at 6:08 am

        that´s correct, this is exactly what the bus ad said and it was a government ad. It´s a myth to think that there is free speech in the UK, oh, hold on, yes, there is free speech only for muslims.
        In France these days they are more inclined to fight this, but that´s also in the French people´s essence, they are hot blooded by nature, they don´t hide their feelings like the Brits, so they are indeed boiling and I think that it will all explode first in France. Ultimately, recession and unemployment is so so bad there that this might be the very factors that might save the country from its advanced islamisation: the pressure is just too great.

    • Sean G says

      Dec 12, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      I am not too sure about that civil war part since Labor took away guns from the population. So, what would they fight with.

      • TONY DAVIS says

        Dec 13, 2014 at 3:49 am

        We will fight with our English passion. and weapons will never be a problem.!!!!

  56. nothosaur says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Just reference 1st amendment and RAV v City of St Paul.

    oh, wait….UK does not have either.

    Nevermind. Good luck.

  57. Arsene Lapin says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 10:59 am

    “administered the coup de grace to their own nation as a free republic” Robert? But Britain is a monarchy and the future king is a Muslim sympathiser.

    • Neil Jennison says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 11:06 am

      The heir to throne to be fair, is barking mad. He speaks to plants and thinks that those of us who do not believe the tosh about CO2 causing global warming believe that CO2 leaks out into space.

    • Almach says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 1:46 pm

      “But Britain is a monarchy and the future king is a Muslim sympathiser”
      absolutely, and had they not even given the title of Baroness to that paki Sayeeda Warsi?

  58. Philip Smeeton says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Extremism Disruption Orders.

    There is only one group that stands out and that the government should be going after, and that is the Islamist Extremists. They are the ones doing the killing and inciting to murder. Everyone else is expressing their democratic right to free speech. But the government is too cowardly to risk offending the Muslims by singling them out for the special treatment that they, and only they, deserve.

    They’re going to have to ban the Bible because it condemns homosexuality.

    • bernie says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 5:00 am

      The Qu’ran condemns homosexuality too…so, will the U.K. ban the Qu’ran as well as the Bible?! They’re in for a dilemma methinks.

  59. Ross Busby says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    My guess is that the cowards who run our governments have been threatened with beheadings by the Islamic militants. They seem do be doing whatever the Chimps with Guns want them to do. All our governors have become traitiors to their people.

    • Silvia says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      @Ross Busby, no, they’ve been BOUGHT!!! And they have personal interests that outweigh their nation’s interests.

  60. tpellow says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    “80% of London Muslims Support ISIS”

    By Daniel Greenfield.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/80-of-london-muslims-support-isis/

  61. katarzyna says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    it looks like the news was a treat.
    hopefully the proposal will turn out to be just a trick.

  62. Mike Holt, CEO RestoreAustralia says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    The UK can pass all the laws it wants trying to stifle Freedom of Speech, but we will NEVER SHUT UP until islam is banned from the west. I will continue to talk about and criticize islam on my radio show http://islam4infidels.com/radio-archives/
    on our other website http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/wp-admin/

    Islam is a legal, political, economic, social, and military IDEOLOGY wrapped in a thin skin of religion. Calling Islam a religion is like calling Nazism a religion. They both have elements of religious behaviour, but they are definitely not religions.

    The koran is a terrorist training manual. It’s time to BAN ISLAM. Buy your stickers here and support our work:
    http://islam4infidels.com/ban-islam-stickers/

  63. gravenimage says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    New UK law would ban critics of Sharia from broadcasting, protesting or even posting messages on Facebook
    ……………………………

    This is suicidal madness. If criticizing Shari’ah is banned, can the horror of Shari’ah be far behind?

    On what possible basis can a (formerly) free nation like Britain bar the criticism of a horror like Shari’ah? Do they believe that amputating the hands of petty thieves and stoning rape victims to death should be beyond criticism?

    And how can they bar the criticism of gay marriage while also barring criticism of Shari’ah, which condones hanging gay people or throwing them out of windows?

    By the way, I personally support gay marriage—but I find barring the criticism of gay marriage appallingly anti-democratic.

    The UK used to be a bastion and beacon of free speech—no longer.

    And this oppression plays right into the hands of Islam, which is repressive beyond belief. One more obstacle between freedom and draconian Shari’ah law down…

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 1, 2014 at 8:49 pm

      gravenimage
      Since you mentioned it.
      On the gay marriage thing:
      The article mentioned as an aside, that Muslim groups are largely for gay marriage, since it opens the door to the legalization of polygamy.
      This is something to consider.
      In theory, the acceptance of gay marriage might help our society be more tolerant toward gays and I personally could care less about their private affairs as I have stated before (especially considering all the evil of Islam) unlike a few of the “Bible Nazis” commenters that feel a need to help God enforce certain verses. However, I don’t get the need for the use of redefining the word “marriage”
      Legal partnership or civil union with all the same legal protection would be a better way to go. Just my opinion.

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 2, 2014 at 6:29 pm

        Jay Boo, I do recognize the danger of gay marriage—while I support it—foolishly opening the door to polygamy or even child marriage.

        I have a friend who is Anti-Jihadist and gay, who decided to stop working for the issue for just that reason.

        Of course, there is no real link between the two—but Muslims will use any Western value they can twist. Just look at how they have twisted the otherwise decent desire not to offend, as in the story above.

        Of course, as soon as they have consolidated power Muslims won’t be pro-gay marriage—they’ll be hanging gay people and throwing them out of windows.

  64. Treaclebeak says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    Forget about Ebola, the Swedish Pox has reached the UK and it’s far more virulent.

  65. Jay Boo says

    Nov 1, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    Darn, I was just about to condemn the 911 hijackers for flying planes into buildings in the name of Allah (PBUH / and his inventor).
    Oops, not allowed to use a mere PBUH with Allah either.
    Some sharia-head Muzzies might throw the book (their Korans) at me.

  66. Joycey says

    Nov 2, 2014 at 1:36 am

    Many Islamists would love to see Christmas banned also. Will anyone stand up for Christianity?

  67. tpellow says

    Nov 2, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Supplementary.

    “OSBORNE: EXTREMIST SPEAKING BAN WILL BE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ENFORCEMENT LAW”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/01/EDO-Orders-Becoming-Political-Correctness-Law

  68. VitoE says

    Nov 2, 2014 at 9:56 am

    This proposed law is a product of UN Resolution 16/18 as passed by the UN’s Organization of Islamic (COWARDS) Cooperation (OIC) to criminalize free speech in the Western Democracies if you’re deemed to have criticized islam. It’s a bogus attempt by the 56 Islamic States & Palestinian Terrortory to silence and undermine the West’s Constitutional Free Speech Rights. The OIC is a fraud and does not hold Res 16/18 standards to their own 57 members. As a matter of fact, the 57 islamic states are immune from prosecution for violating even one word of the bogus resolution. Iran killing Reyhaneh Jabbari, imprisoning Pastor Sayeed Abdini for being a Christian, Saudi Arabia silencing women and prohibiting them to drive and Saudi’s apartheid of not allowing non-muslims into Mecca and not allowing bibles into their country. The hypocrisy of the United Nations and OIC in playing the islamic victim card and now it appears to be working on useful idiots like David Cameron and Theresa May who both have fallen victim to Multi-Culturalism & Political Correctness!

  69. Richie says

    Nov 2, 2014 at 10:14 am

    English citizens are on their own. The message is if your daughter gets raped by a muslim and you have a problem with it, then you’re a racist.

    Muslims realize that the government will protect them, so the brutality against non muslims will get only worse and more widespread. Anyone who resists or complains will be prosecuted.

    Labour is the party of the Jihadist, the Torries are now toothless- what options remain? BNP is proto Nazi, and EDL is villified by the press

    England is lost Im sad to say

    • pumbar says

      Nov 3, 2014 at 8:58 am

      Balls. We have UKIP, get us out of the EU and we can sort out our borders, we can sort out the filth that is here without the ECHR. We can sort out slimy liblabcon councils that have allowed our towns and cities to backslide to this extent.

  70. Ice Star says

    Nov 2, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Frighting.

    The only cure for “extremism” is MORE free speech not less.

    They will only drive them underground.

  71. gravenimage says

    Nov 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    And note that it is the *Tories* promoting this madness.

  72. johnrowe1 says

    Nov 3, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    We all understand, Its a matter of getting factual things together, in the Western Countries. We have been targeted for Conquering of the West by the East. Many foes are in bed to help ISLAM.

    It seems to be that in the U.S., we have been USURPED by Socialist, and it takes a lot of them to bring down America. That means we have to deal with our Democratic Party being changed to the Elite UN Sustained Development Agenda 21, and seems they have become sympathizers for ISLAM and don’t understand below Qur’an rules. Communist Party consumes these idiots when a Country is taken over as dissenters are only handled that way & those whom help finally become dissenters.

    UK seems to be in the same like way, just some different clubs of Marxist fascist like Common Purpose.

    The way I see to handle these issues is to deal with socialist 1st, you get them out of control of your government 1st, in ANY MANNER NECESSARY.

    The ISLAM issue is simple. Most laws require a immigrant to simulate to the country giving the immigration, but ISLAM is not a religion, it is used to conquer. It demands take over and implementation of creeping Sharia.

    Thus our laws demand the Muslim to simulate, but they are codified in the Qur’an to consume the country. Therefore, this is why they are deported, all of them, for deceiving our governments.

    These old Submariner’s of Britton have been fighting your socialist issue longer than us in the USA. Get trained here.

    It is said in Britain that lie’s become the truth, and truth become the lie’s. People get conditioned like zombie’s. Now Obama actions make more sense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hk1VZR4p1U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRm9GUtkXQg#t=4351

    So to give us Westerner Infidels a quick learn on Qur’an, this is about all one would need to know:

    Know thine enemy, ISLAM and the Qur’an

    Knowledge Needed for Western Countries

    The Qur’an denotes conflicting passages where the latest passage is always the correct one over the oldest passage, as in peaceful tolerant passages where 1st, thus are void by later more violent passages. Thus there is no non violent
    passages implemented or very little, and none can Hi-Jack Islam as it is written for a direct interpretation. Muslins know they can not alter or misinterpret but instead can deceive or lie.

    ISLAM is an Utility Ideology more than its a religion. If you took Christian faith, combined it with U.S. federal law and state law and corrections law and actions of a jury, made it Political and mandatory over anything else, would a Pastor then consider that as a religion…. NO !

    So Sharia Law is what is implemented and is mandatory except for some Muslims whom then would be refereed to as non Muslims because they do not
    practice it. It is a Society Behavior, period, just like a constitution defines its rules. It contains, punishments, morals, beliefs, contracts and is actually a Trojan Horse for a being State like. Democracies of man whom defy and use free speech to criticize the Qur’an must be eliminated by all Muslims.

    Sharia is implemented in non Muslim countries by a methodology called creeping sharia because it is a slow methodology advanced slowly until a point of no return. There courts can operate outside the bounds of whatever the current government laws where located. Sharia eventually is incorporated
    into that government over time. All drinkers and gamblers must be whipped. Husbands can hit their wives. Legal revenge is literal as an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand and thieves loose hands. Homo-Sexuals are to be executed.
    Fornicators are whipped & Adulterers are stoned. Critics of Muhammad, Qur’an and Sharia are ordered to death. No free speech on Qur’an criticisms. Apostates or those whom disbelieve are killed commands aggressive and unjust jihad. Sharia is law of Allah and anything else is a sin. ALL Muslins are mandated to keep striving until all governments are converted to sharia
    law.

    Muslims are mandated to deceive you in any way, non-muslins when it helps ISLAM, using Taqiyya. You lie to non-Muslims to spread ISLAM is mandated. That is why you hear Muslims say things that are odd to Westerners and sometimes identified that are lies, else say nothing which looks dis-functional. This is the same for ISLAM in war. Non-Islamic war is in effect until Sharia Law
    is the Whole World, just like ISIS says. Non Muslims are always enemies.

    Islam is religion of peace, is spouted from early passages in Qur’an which are null & void, while Muslims use Taqiyya against non Muslims and peace only comes when Islam and Sharia rein in every country.

    So when you hear people say
    religion
    religion of peace
    Correct the Muslim lying or slap the infidel for Not Knowing death

    So where do we go from here, we dismantle these things that are against us in each of our countries. Those chapters have yet not played out. We in America are trying to take back our government from this sickening Socialist mental illness in vote process. As for your UK, I can only say, Ready Up !, Plans of Operations, Know thine enemy. Take and demand what is yours. Free UK while you can. Disclose communist for whom they are, find their game plan so all may know you’ve been duped.

    We in America don’t quite understand your English terms, names of
    groups, but I seem to remember that maybe You’ve already been USURPED
    when the EU was created, but I am not sure! In any case…

    Good Luck
    JOHN ROWE USMC of the USA

    • Neil Jennison says

      Nov 3, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      Certainly the EU has usurped UK sovereignty ….the EU (or EUSSR to be more accurate) is a leftist, anti-democratic overlord.

      But successive UK governments since John Major have followed the same path of politically correct law making to force the multicultural agenda and to marginalise those who do not agree. As an example, the British Red Cross has just sacked an 80 year old long time worker for daring to campaign against gay marriage. That is the kind of PC bullying that is the norm in the UK today. You may bet your bottom dollar if he had been a Muslim against gay marriage they wouldn’t have dared to sack him!

      One would expect that from the leftists in the Labour Party but the current Conservative Party has followed the same recipe with gusto.

    • Susan says

      Dec 12, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      Johnrowe1
      All you say above is true. However as a moderate Democrat I resent you saying that it is all the fault of “liberals”. I have talked to many American liberal Dems and they feel the same way I do. I hate Islam, if I had my way there would not be one more Muslim allowed into this country! Islam is a vicious satanic cult bent on total destruction of western civilization. I remember George Bush going to a Masque a few days after 9/11 and saying that Islam was “a religion of peace”! I almost vomited! In fact the Bush family knew the “Ben Lauden” family quite well. They even helped members of Osama’s family escape back to Saudi Arabia after 9/11! Yes, I am a proud “islamaphobe”, I am also a proud Democrat.

  73. Joanna says

    Nov 4, 2014 at 3:12 am

    In fact I might say this whole article is rather uninformed. No matter what they might say, Teresa May, George Osborne et al cannot make their proposals law by strength of their will alone.
    No matter how much articles like this might rant about Britain no longer being a free society, it is simple fact that no law in the UK can be passed without due process- namely debate and votes in parliament- and even if it goes through the commons in can be vetoed by the Lords. This is still some semblance of democratic process.

    What is more, I believe Teresa May is currently on the verge of resigning due to a separate issue.

    So please, I will say to out friends across the Atlantic. Stop proclaiming that Britain is dead, and her ancient liberties deceased every time you hear a news story about some proposed law or someone being fired.
    Such things are not good, and perhaps do not bode well. They tell us that political correctness in High Places can and does lead to discrimination- but it does not mean that all of the 70 million people of Britain are repressed serfs or drones under the thrall of a totalitarian police state.

    Indeed, Americans may want to look at similar abuses in their own nation….

    • Neil Jennison says

      Nov 4, 2014 at 3:39 am

      What you say about due process is true here in Britain is true, and I suspect that this proposed law is merely posturing by the ex-Conservative Party and will never be enacted.

      However, is it not very, very frightening that mainstream Conservative politicians, like Osborne, Cameron and May are so politically inept, naïve and populist and so dismissive of our ancient freedoms that safeguard our democracy that they would even consider laws like this?

      Where are the politicians who can see the wider picture about freedom being paramount? Well there’s David Davis…..maybe one or two more.

      • Neil jennison says

        Nov 4, 2014 at 3:43 am

        By the by, Theresa May will not resign over the repeated cock ups with the child abuse enquiry chairman.

        The last time a politician in the UK resigned on principle for a cock up was Lord Carrington after the invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982 !

        Unless you know of some other scandal the utterly useless Ms May is involved in?

        • bernie says

          Nov 6, 2014 at 5:06 am

          Many people in the U.K. (inlcuding many army folks) have said that if Argentina were to invade the Falklands today, they would become the Malvinas and be under Argentinian jurisdiction quickly and the U.K. would be able to do little about it, unfortunately.

  74. Peter says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    IF THIS WOULD HAPPEN, WE MUST HAVE A REVOLUTION.
    NO IFS OR BUTS.

  75. brian says

    Dec 11, 2014 at 3:44 am

    Is there anyone left in the UK with any balls or have you all converted to the cult of satan.

    • Neil Jennison says

      Dec 11, 2014 at 10:38 am

      No, there are plenty of us left. Remember that the British legal system depends of juries to convict people not state appointees.

      Whatever repressive laws are passed (and to be honest, this one probably will not be passed) there is no way a jury will convict.

      Think about, it being illegal to criticise a belief ? There would be outcry.

  76. floare says

    Dec 11, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Is UK so corrupted to see that NOTHING IS WRONG with such a law to RESTRICT ALL OF US for the freedom to an opinion if something IS RIGHT OR WRONG without being HARASSED and banned by the law to GIVE OUR OWN freedom of speech and religion?
    Seems to me that UK is ran by Muslims and is no longer ran by a democratic country.
    Well, thank God I live in CANADA and NOT IN UK!!!!!!
    GO CANADA GO!

    • T says

      Dec 11, 2014 at 3:05 pm

      Oh its coming to Canada. Just wait until Trudeau becomes PM. God forbid, but it’s a real possibility!

  77. Kim Fielding says

    Dec 11, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    Just who are the extremist’s ?

  78. l K Tucker says

    Dec 11, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    UK does not have constitution and guarantee of free speech. Sad but this is the outcome of liberal judgement.

  79. barry cardwell says

    Dec 12, 2014 at 9:19 am

    My parents fought in WW2 to protect our freedom and to prevent us becoming a Fascist state. Why did they bother? Because they loved this country and its way of life. I have to say that Cameron and Co clearly do not like this country, never mind love it. They are selling us out to people who are worse than Hitler dreamed of being. They are selling us out to people who hate us,and who will do as they wish with never one drop of justice. I am old and disabled but I will not give in without a fight.I am looking to the young, mainly, to resist by any means. May God defend the right.

  80. TONY DAVIS says

    Dec 12, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Those racists in the EDL have been telling you imbeciles for years that the SAVAGES would start this nonsense!!! Let me know when your daughters are put forward for genital mutilation, I haven’t had a good laugh for a long time!!!

FacebookYoutubeTwitterLog in

Subscribe to the Jihad Watch Daily Digest

You will receive a daily mailing containing links to the stories posted at Jihad Watch in the last 24 hours.
Enter your email address to subscribe.

Please wait...

Thank you for signing up!
If you are forwarding to a friend, please remove the unsubscribe buttons first, as they my accidentally click it.

Subscribe to all Jihad Watch posts

You will receive immediate notification.
Enter your email address to subscribe.
Note: This may be up to 15 emails a day.

Donate to JihadWatch
FrontPage Mag

Search Site

Translate

The Team

Robert Spencer in FrontPageMag
Robert Spencer in PJ Media

Articles at Jihad Watch by
Robert Spencer
Hugh Fitzgerald
Christine Douglass-Williams
Andrew Harrod
Jamie Glazov
Daniel Greenfield

Contact Us

Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Archives

  • 2020
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2019
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2018
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2017
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2016
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2015
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2014
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2013
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2012
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2011
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2010
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2009
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2008
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2007
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2006
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2005
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2004
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • September
    • August
    • July
    • June
    • May
    • April
    • March
    • February
    • January
  • 2003
    • December
    • November
    • October
    • March

All Categories

You Might Like

Learn more about RevenueStripe...

Recent Comments

  • revereridesagain on Erdogan: ‘Turks must defend the rights of Jerusalem, even with their lives’ for ‘the honor of the Islamic nation’
  • James Lincoln on Erdogan: ‘Turks must defend the rights of Jerusalem, even with their lives’ for ‘the honor of the Islamic nation’
  • Carol on Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, France and UAE conduct joint military exercises amid rising Turkish threat
  • James Lincoln on EU Parliament members call for firing of border agency director for preventing illegal migrants from entering Europe
  • Jayme on Canadian Mental Health Association studies Muslim women’s mental health due to ‘discrimination’ and ‘hate crimes’

Popular Categories

dhimmitude Sharia Jihad in the U.S ISIS / Islamic State / ISIL Iran Free Speech

Robert Spencer FaceBook Page

Robert Spencer Twitter

Robert Spencer twitter

Robert Spencer YouTube Channel

Books by Robert Spencer

Jihad Watch® is a registered trademark of Robert Spencer in the United States and/or other countries - Site Developed and Managed by Free Speech Defense

Content copyright Jihad Watch, Jihad Watch claims no credit for any images posted on this site unless otherwise noted. Images on this blog are copyright to their respective owners. If there is an image appearing on this blog that belongs to you and you do not wish for it appear on this site, please E-mail with a link to said image and it will be promptly removed.

Our mailing address is: David Horowitz Freedom Center, P.O. Box 55089, Sherman Oaks, CA 91499-1964

loading Cancel
Post was not sent - check your email addresses!
Email check failed, please try again
Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email.