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NYC hatchet jihadi searched on Internet for “jihad against police” and for info on last week’s jihad murders in Canada

Oct 26, 2014 7:24 pm By Robert Spencer

ZaleThompsonThe mainstream media always downplays and tries to obscure the jihad aspects of jihad attacks, and this New York Post story is no different: Thompson, we’re told, was angry about racism and wanted to make white people pay for slavery. The Post doesn’t consider it worth mentioning that Thompson wrote: “If the Zionists and the Crusaders had never invaded and colonized the Islamic lands after WW1, then there would be no need for Jihad! Which is better, to sit around and do nothing, or to Jihad fisabeelallah!” Nonetheless, they do include in this article a good deal about Thompson’s jihadist allegiances and interests. It is noteworthy that his conversion to Islam didn’t calm his rage or turn into someone who was tolerant and peaceful. Instead, it inspired him to even great hatred, and ultimately to attempted murder. No one, however, in the government, law enforcement or media dares to examine the implications of that.

“Ax attacker wanted ‘white people to pay’ for slavery,” by Kevin Fasick, Amber Jamieson and Laura Italiano, New York Post, October 25, 2014 (thanks to Jerk Chicken):

The self-radicalized madman who attacked four rookie Queens cops with a hatchet had more than just ­jihad on his mind — he also wanted to kill white people.

“He wanted white people to pay for all that slavery and all that racism,” the father of slain hatchet loon Zale Thompson, 32, told The Post Saturday. “I think he committed suicide — and he was taking one of y’all with him,” his father, Ralph Thompson, said, speaking through the screen door of the two-story Queens Village house where his unhinged son also once lived.

Asked if “one of y’all” meant white people,” the father said, “Yeah.”

“He just said, ‘They have to pay for all their unfairness,’ ” the father added. “Unfairness for the way they treat black people.”

Zale Thompson, 32, was shot dead on a Jamaica, Queens, sidewalk Thursday after he lunged with a blue-handled hatchet at four rookie cops, striking Officer Joseph Meeker, 24, in the arm and Officer Kenneth Healey, 25, in the back of the head. Both those officers are white, as is the third cop. The fourth cop is a light-skinned Hispanic.

“I didn’t know it would get that serious,” the father said wearily of his son, a Navy veteran described by former friends as “bright” but radically pro-“black power” in his youth and a Muslim convert in recent years.

“I didn’t know he was going to carry on a mission on his own,” added the father.

Unconnected to any terror group or even any mosque, and with no criminal record in New York, Zale Thompson was unknown to law enforcement as a potential threat, police sources said.

But over the last several years, he was quietly becoming an ardent devourer of violent Islamic propaganda, police said.

“This guy spent every waking moment on the Internet,” said one law-enforcement source. Police are looking back as far as five years to see whether anyone else Thompson communicated with is a threat.

“He Googled the words ‘jihad against police,’ ” the source said of Thompson’s more recent activity. “He also looked up [news stories on] the two Canadian attacks” last week, the source added, referring to so-called “lone wolf” jihadist shooting of a ceremonial guard in Ottawa and a fatal attack on a soldier in Quebec.

ISIS extremists have been urging lone-wolf attacks on police and soldiers in Europe and the United States.

Following the attack, police brass on Friday ordered that foot patrols citywide be conducted in pairs.

“Strike their police, security and intelligence members, as well as their treacherous agents,” ISIS spokesman Aub Mohammad al-Adnani posted on Sept. 21. “If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman, or any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him or poison him.”

Another extremist essay — titled, “To 2.6M Muslims in USA: A Call to Arms to Defend Islam and Avenge the Slaughter of Muslims” and published Sept. 16 — directly encouraged jihadi wannabes to attack cops.

“Knocking off a police, military or any other law-enforcement officer sends a chilling message to the so-called ‘civilians’ and fills their hearts with consternation,” it reads.

Zale Thompson’s own rants mirrored the hate-mongers’ rhetoric. “America’s military is strong abroad, but they have never faced an internal mass revolt,” he wrote on Facebook, where his page featured a photo of a Muslim warrior with a turban and sword. “They are weaker at home. We are scattered and decentralized, we can use this as an advantage.”…

Neighbors said Thompson continued to claim he was “on leave” as recently as this summer. When neighbors would ask him how he was spending his time at home, “He said, ‘I’m reading the Koran. I converted to Islam,’ ” said one neighbor, asking his name not be revealed….

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  1. Wolfgang says

    Oct 26, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Another excellent reason to have a Mossberg 590A1 on hand or Glock 17…….

    Also here is YT Clip :

    The Third Jihad – Radical Islam’s Vision for America – (A Clarion Project Film) – YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XUub1no1qw

    After watching this, I can’t for the life of me understand why this Dr still sticks with Islam, he still ” loves” Islam ( can’t have read the verses that are violent can he ? )

    • jihad3tracker says

      Oct 26, 2014 at 7:48 pm

      Right on, Wolfgang — thanks for a couple of specific makes and models.

      BTW : once again in this picture of a jihad perpetrator we get a clear look at the face of Up-To-The-Minute Islam.

      He is not likely to be mistaken for Plato or Socrates . . .

    • Bezelel says

      Oct 26, 2014 at 8:32 pm

      I thought you might enjoy this you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S51AK0kmjIk It’s about 12min. I’m hoping the Doctor will join up with Salah & Co.

      • jihad3tracker says

        Oct 26, 2014 at 10:44 pm

        Thank you, Bezelel — for this video addition for my own arsenal of information. Mossberg is a long established, solid value “nothin’ fancy” arms company, and I had forgotten about it until your reminder here.

        Choices for personal defense are many and varied, depending on one’s own situational specifics. Jihadwatch readers should fall on their knees in gratitude for the Constitution’s 2nd Amendment.

        Pardon me for sounding Grandpa — but for those of us who are STILL sitting on our fannies regarding purchase of appropriate personal defense items : GET EDUCATED AND BUY BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.

        • Jen says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 12:12 am

          Haha “sitting on our fannies…” I haven’t heard that expression before. That should be one for the ladies. Yes, ladies, stop doing that and acquire an interest in personal defense items! Just in case 🙂

        • Wolfgang says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 12:19 am

          @jihad3tracker

          Handy hint……if you have ladies in your family……load a 590 with 8 snap caps and put a light up front ( nothing heavy ) and go through a 10 min drill room / stairwell clearing drill once a week, this works with the girls very well, then they get used to the weight and feel , used it effectively with my guys to teach them not to flinch , when you get that down pat start using a stopwatch and timer and put some stress into the training.

          This works well in urban homes with tight spaces or limited room and lastly get trained up as I rekon there is a sad invevatbilty about what lies ahead, before it gets better , I have a gut feeling it will get very ,very ugly.

          I like many many others strongly believe we will have a war with Islam, I do and will not let my freedoms go without letting the Jihadists know that.

          I know I go to reign with Jesus himself, in the end that is good enough for me.

          off my soap box for now ! 🙂

      • Wolfgang says

        Oct 26, 2014 at 10:55 pm

        @Bezelel

        I have the 590SPX , GREAT gun………like you may have seen on other YT clips you can ghost load it as well, mine works with all loads, even the light loads, after 1,000 shells run through very smooth, I sprayed mine like my 590…….camo !

        As for the good Dr. seem’s like a decent guy, my bet is first person close to him who gets a dose of Jihad and he will have to seriously rethink his position.

        @sc

        yeah Glock17 a bit small, but needed something the Missus could shoot with comfort. Anyway commonality is always good. 9mm will always be around , can be found in any box and dime gun shop .

        @jihad3tracker

        I tricked out my 590A1 like this young guy did……

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSjhvcj7uaU

        This young guy cops shit…..the language I didn’t like much ( shows unprofessional ism in my book )

        I put the heatshield on it and used the side saddle, same pistol grip ( 6 position ) and camo painted the whole gun, I put the AFG on it using the Mossberg foregrip ( saves the hands and some money), don’t go with the loose ” loop ” that some models come out with or short pistol grips, a hollywood wank if you ask me, ( chops the hands up too much ) as a ex military guy, I pulled apart my gun and polished the feed ramp and other moving parts such as the twin side bars , BTW I have the Mossberg, this guy in the clip is slight build, I am 250lbs, I still lean into the shot then follow up with the returning recoil to chamber the next shell. It can be done very quick , also you can use snap caps as a training aid, I recommend them to anyone.

        I better not use gun talk on here otherwise Robert will kick me off……

        • jihad3tracker says

          Oct 26, 2014 at 11:09 pm

          Yes — “gun talk” should be off for a while. But whenever I need a bit of rip roarin’ & hell raisin’ happiness — I watch guys shooting bullets out of barrels.

          Must be the Alabama redneck heritage from my daddy. Allah’s Army sure as sh*t better not come down here trying to upset the status quo. We are ready !

        • Wolfgang says

          Oct 26, 2014 at 11:55 pm

          ……………………last comment ……I am a real easy going country guy …but a person threatens my wife or kids, or the elderly or innocent people I would crawl over broken glass to get them.

          and smoke coming from WARM barrels makes me a very happy camper….

        • Bezelel says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 9:56 pm

          Maintaining a civil civilization is the objective. It is deer season too.

    • sc says

      Oct 26, 2014 at 9:22 pm

      a glock 17 might be fine for a woman with a small hand but a 45 semi auto with copper jacketed hollow points is much better if you can handle it.

      • Wolfgang says

        Oct 26, 2014 at 11:09 pm

        Just to make you guys happy……..

        @sc @@jihad3tracker

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSjhvcj7uaU

        http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=14636

        Fitting the HS from a Mossberg 590A1 is easy……and putting 3 ounce slugs put through at speed does get warm !…..enjoy !

    • Jen says

      Oct 27, 2014 at 12:52 am

      This is a good link, thanks. But why is this man calling himself “devout” when it doesn’t seem like his own views are aligned with Islam? He may as well convert to another religion if he wants to maintain a belief in God.

      “Stop calling them suicide bombers. They are not suicide bombers, they are heroes.” *Crowd cheers* Sickening. God how I hate Islam and its brainless followers.

      • Wolfgang says

        Oct 27, 2014 at 1:07 am

        I agree……………shocking, the violence these detestable creatures want to shower us filthy kafir with, what p@#$s me off these scum are in America ! , many born in the USA , one of these morons says he “loves ” the USA ! ( the one with the glasses and the fair skin blank look ), too many on JW think these creeps should be prayed for , but it is getting easier to be hardened towards them and really consider them as a real enemy of Christianity and the West, they actually hate us with a passion and when you see young kids training in camps in the USA to behead people and then do it in real life in Syria, you actually understand they will give us no quarter and no choice when it does come to fight back. Makes my blood boil to think of the useless fools we have have politicans in the West, anyone notice that the Canadians have 500,000 Muslims there ? is it by coincidence the Australians have also about the same number ? ( 450,000) , wonder how many NZ has ?, my bet is they are pouring in.

        That Dr makes the point about this being a third Jihad……he is ironically very precise. Wish he would change though, he could be very useful to the jihad counter movement.

        • Jen says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 2:39 am

          @wolfgang
          Okay, so the response I was typing to your comment before my *computer crashed* was along these lines…

          NZ is going to go the same way as Aussie and all the other Western countries with this Islamic immigration issue. I have visibly noticed an increase in Muslims from around 2008 onward. Many of them are on student visas but I imagine that many of them will eventually want to move here permanently. I don’t know if those on work or student visas are counted in the statistics I’ve seen quoted so I’m not certain of how many there actually are here.

          This Islamic issue infuriates me. I do not want NZ or any other country being destroyed or becoming unstable because of Islamic violence. It sickens me. I already have part of my family who have become victims of Islamic violence since they live surrounded by Muslims and their stupid terrorist group camps in the bloody wilderness. There are troops permanently stationed there but this doesn’t stop my nerves because there has been evidence of corruption among a few in the military who have previously accepted bribes in exchange for not stopping Muslims from taking hostages. *ugh*

          In regards to praying for them and those who think they should be prayed for. For me, it is way past that point. You can’t turn the other cheek when you are in a position of danger! They have vowed to attack the West and fly their damn flag over our countries- what more evidence do you need that this is a threat that should be taken seriously? These people take advantage your charity and your humanity because they know that we are not allowed to kill anyone for religious reasons for any reason unless it’s self-defense. It’s called BASIC morality- something that the religion of Islam is severely lacking in.

          Gently gently will *not* fix this problem. We need to be firm. In the absence of a crystal ball which tells us which “moderate” or which child of a “moderate” will become a devout Muslim and a 100% accurate mind-reading machine, there is no WAY of knowing *which* of these “moderates” will turn around and become devoutly “religious” and embark on jihad. The mere presence of this ideology in our countries is a threat in itself. As we have all seen, there are converts becomes jihadists as well! Just praying? No. Not smart as it’s not a strategy for tackling this problem. How do these people saying we pray for them, expect the hearts and minds of millions of people to change in a snap? That is suicidal thinking. If you want your head on the chopping block someday then keep turning the other cheek. It won’t be me turning the other cheek, that’s for sure. I will never give up my freedom without a fight and nor should anyone else! It is better to be prepared and adopt a realistic attitude about this threat EARLIER rather than later.

    • Transmaster says

      Oct 27, 2014 at 9:33 pm

      Ditto, except for me it is the Remington 870 tactical, and a Kimber 1911 Tactical Carry. The Holy OO buckshot, and 230 grain .45ACP. Anointed with Sliver Bullet Gun Oil.

      • Wolfgang says

        Oct 27, 2014 at 9:43 pm

        @Transmaster

        🙂

        I like you already………..anyone who blesses Jihatists with OO or solid slugs to send them home to Allah is worth knowing…….only minus , is you have the 870 , but brother , I can forgive you your misdemeanor…at least on mine I can use my bayonet lug when I run out shell’s .

  2. Jaladhi says

    Oct 26, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Oh yeah, Muslims are always angry about something and that is why they non-Muslims. this story is kind of getting old and hope it should have no traction except of course with our liberal media and government.

  3. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 26, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    Jonah Goldberg, editor-at-large of the conservative National Review came up with a good theory: what’s happening is that crazy people, insanity cases who are murders in waiting, need an excuse for what they’re gonna do, and Islam is an easy foil to use in the rationale behind their solo mayhem.

    So, while the globo-socialists (aka Democrats) outright deny what’s happening, the conservative spin is to see it as Islam getting dragged down from its perch as a religion by stark raving mad murderers looking for an excuse.

    • Jerry says

      Oct 26, 2014 at 11:52 pm

      Actually, Islam was invented specifically to provide such excuse by a desert warlord, caravan and oasis robber, slave and sex slave hunter and trader, torturer, murderer, rapist and paedophile, and self proclaimed (fake) prophet.

      The Qur’an and Hadith were, and still are, the recruiting material that criminalised anyone who did not join the fake prophet or displeased the fake prophet and made the innocent a “fair target” to be plundered, tortured, raped and murdered or enslaved.

      The recruit was and still is offered four fifth of the booty if they succeed or going direct to their (fools) Paradise where they are to be rewarded by imagined pleasures including their allotted 72 virgins as a prize for their evil deed sanctified by Islamic fiction.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Oct 27, 2014 at 3:03 pm

        You forgot extorted and robbed.

        ***

        So, if mass murders-to-be are invoking the Holy Ko-Ran as an excuse for what they intend to do, then does that mean they don’t do it because of Islam, because that was just an excuse? Was Ted Kacynski *really* an environmentalist? I say that doesn ‘t matter in his case, cuz the various bibles don’t contain commands for murder. But the excuse *does* count in the case of the murderers over the last year, cuz the Holy Ko-Ran *does* contain commands to murder.

  4. Jen says

    Oct 26, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    So no previous criminal record and unknown to police. So many criminals, before committing a crime of this magnitude are known to police through a string of more minor offenses; burglary, assault, disorderly conduct and so forth before finally culminating in murder. Islam is such a dangerous ideology which acts as a trigger. Its ethos is better defined than many gangs and makes it clear what is required of you to be a “good” Allah-abiding Muslim. “Jihad” can be the vehicle for all kinds of crime and it has global “worth” attached to it since this “religion” has a huge global following; a likely source of pride for somebody who aligns with it. It also has the advantage of being largely foreign to our Judeo-Christian culture until now. They have this new mystical language called Arabic with a swirly script and this really distinct way of dressing themselves. Very enticing. (to an idiot).

    Even “jihad” for the purposes of Maori nationalism. No joke…”The Aotearoa Māori Muslim Association (AMMA), the most influential Maori Muslim movement, view tino rangatiratanga as a form of jihad, and Islam the perfect vehicle for Maori nationalism” and the Qur’an has already been translated into Maori — I grew up around certain people who were “radical” about Maori nationalism and in many ways, their attitude reminded me of the Muslim allegiance to Islam first, before a loyalty to the country they reside, in which there are people of all backgrounds. In their case, it was “radical” allegiance to part of their ancestry, while ignoring the rest of their ancestry which was largely European. What’s next? Instead of peacefully discussing what they would like to happen, will they feel inspired to adopt the violent jihad aspects as well?

    God help us as more Muslims poor into the country, bringing their “jihad” concept with them. They are like leeches. Even trying to attach themselves to the native culture of people and pulling on their heartstrings about matters that are dear to them. What’s next? Telling them that the “haka” (traditionally a war dance/war cry in Maori) is aligned with warlike aspects of Islam too, so please convert? There are already issues with some Maori youth involved in crime and initiatives to help them overcome this problem. The last thing they need is to be introduced to this “jihad” idea. This will help to accelerate the problem by adding Allah’s approval.

    • Jen says

      Oct 26, 2014 at 9:49 pm

      *pour

      And this hatchet jihadist as well, apparently with some kind of issue with race:
      ” radically pro-“black power” in his youth and a Muslim convert in recent years.”

      • Wolfgang says

        Oct 27, 2014 at 12:50 am

        @jen

        I take it you are in NZ ?……if avail yourself of the opportunity to apply for a gun license down there, easy to apply for, you can still buy the same firearms as the US, there you have class license A, C, E, applying for a ” A” license means the authorities have no idea what you do or don’t have, all legal of course !. If you decide to apply for one ( presuming you dont have one ), you never tell them its for self defense.

        should you have need of a firearm…….. well , lets say better to have one in the event of a large scale civil disturbance than NOT have one !

        there are lots of very angry Maori with a big chip on their shoulder in NZ, often prone to violence and they emulate their American gang banger cousins with their baseball caps around the wrong way. NZ is a sharply divided society with a real black versus white mentality there, the Maori espouse the hard done by attitude that is rampant among neo colonial native’s, many hard working Kiwis are angry at the special treatment they get, now there are many more Muslims coming to NZ , I would take prudent plans into account while having an eye to the future.

        • Jen says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 1:51 am

          I agree that it is better to be prepared. I don’t have the licence (yet), but I’ve played around with guns a fair bit already though.

          I’m reluctant to admit it on here because I don’t want to offend anyone but…there is truth in what you’re saying. The emulating American gang bangers? I know what you mean. Even emulating Snoop Dog with “I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside but only on the left side, yeah that’s the Crip side.” I’ve seen men that actually walk around with the Crips flag- Crips?? I thought this was NZ.

          Regarding the nationalism issue, I have been around people who think this way in the past as I grew up around them, and some are angry about various things relating to their culture and its place in society. It depends on *where* in the country you spent time as to your exposure to these kinds of attitudes so some might not know what I’m talking about. The Govt has long been sorting through these Treaty issues, but this idea of “jihad” appealing to this Muslim organisation scares me. It occurred to me earlier that there were certain elements of Islam that might appeal to people who thought like this, and then I read that quote from AMMA!

          Adding “jihad” to this, is like creating a toxic cocktail. There are pre-existing issues and then Islam comes along and piggybacks on these issues and will no doubt help to exacerbate them. The 2006 census apparently said that there has been an increase to over 1,000 Maori Muslim- what is are the figures like in 2014?? Goodness. I don’t like this at all.

        • Wolfgang says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 2:17 am

          @Jen

          have a watch of this link……this guy is really good at explaining the problem really well, I watched it about a week ago.

          Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner – YouTube

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

          He explains the current third Jihad as on going, it has never stopped for the last 1,400 years, shows with a moving battle map of why all the mid east is Islamic and how it became so, enlightened me !…

          made me madder than a angry Rattler watching this……

        • Wolfgang says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 2:24 am

          This is how a fundamentalist Muslim thinks……

          If the USA became Islamic it would be good.
          I would be able to marry my goat. I would also be allowed to stone my first wife and marry a child. Friday night would be beheading night.

          I can have sex with my first cousin. I would be able to beat my wife legally. I would be superior to any Kaffir.

          I would be able to attack critics and Apostates of islam.

          …….No wait , I stoned my donkey and I have not dated my camel yet. 

          No more need for science books as I only need the koran…….

        • Jen says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 2:54 am

          @Wolfgang

          Haha!……We cannot allow this in our countries.
          I don’t want to go back in the time machine and land in the pages of the Sira or Qur’an. It is sheer madness when you think about what these “people” want to do. How on earth do they think this is going to work? For the “moderate” Muslims in the West who have cheered ISIS on, how do they think the world is going to look if their buddies in ISIS succeed? There will be women being led to a hole in the ground by their own father and stoned to death, heads being sliced, daily rape of slaves, extortion, public hangings etc etc!
          HOW is this a way to live. They are brainless for following this “religion” and being happy about this.

          Thanks. I will watch that link!

  5. ConnectingDots says

    Oct 27, 2014 at 10:47 am

    President Obama,

    If you had a son, would he look like Dale Thompson?

    If not, why not?

    Discuss.

  6. Lion Rampant says

    Oct 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Hello JW and Jen
    I was wondering if there were any NZers on watch.
    I am currently living in Wellington and lately have been wondering if the
    followers of ‘The religion of Peace’ are trying to extend their influence to the Pacific Islands. But it makes sense that they try to reach the disaffected in any society. Malcolm X springs to mind.
    Less than thirty years ago islam barely registered here; even today the numbers are small. Sorry, I have not read the latest census. However the signs are disquietening. The usual suspects:
    Allu Akbah has been heard at some demonstrations.
    Wearing the burka in public is allowed.
    The halal meat trade.
    Thus far, no lone wolf attacks. A jihadi mullah from Pakistan was asked to leave New Zealand after his sermon at a local mosque. The muslims stated that they did not want this message here. Which makes for a change I suppose.
    It would be better if they all left though not to Sydney or Melbourne, direct to KL.
    What intrigues me is our governments immigration policies. We allow muslims and others in, but where is the welcome mat from islamic countries to culturally enrich themselves ?
    Where is the reciprocation ?
    Well I know some of the answers. Here is a perfect quid pro quo opportunity to put the O.I.C. on the spot and make them take a good look at themselves. And what better time as isis is busy overrunning large parts of Syria and Iraq.
    For us it the perfect circle. We let the muslims in the West go there supply all the parties with enough weaponry and a little logistical support to let them merrily butcher each other. Of course they forfeit the right of return, becoming citizens, serfs or slaves of the new caliphate or hopefully, newly secularised nation states.
    I am not holding my breath as to the latter.

    • Wolfgang says

      Oct 27, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      @ Lion Rampant @Jen

      I have good family connection in NZ, some things for you, John Key is no friend of freedom, NZIS or SIS monitor all internet traffic in NZ , they have an agreement between Australia , US and Allied partners to data share , so take it as a given that everything you post on the internet you are doing it as if someone is watching over your shoulder, remember John Key was also third in charge of Merrill Lynch during the 2008 GFC. Key protects Key and his own interests, NZ is rife with political correctness , witness the useless Waitangi treaty ( useless if you are White ) and the aggressive stance on the part of tribal Maori who feel they had ” their ” land stolen from them, of course the Maori wiped out the people who were there before them, no comment needed on that, as an aside Open Doors in NZ and Brother Andrew ministries closely followed hundreds of Muslims through sponsoring from the hell holes such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, who claimed to be refugee’s , the experience I saw was refusal to learn English , failure to integrate in NZ society and using Taqiyya [ lying to gain entry to NZ ].

      It was [is] common to pretend to commit to a Christian conversion , then once given permanent residency go back to radical Islamic beliefs and practice, the next step was for these so called ” moderates ” to then in turn sponsor their own families and relatives to come to NZ, I have a friend who is a business manager for one of the large charity organizations in Auckland, she tells me how frequently the Muslima come to her for charity , but their husbands refuse to come because she is a filthy Kafir , 70% Muslim men don’t work, ( language problems ), so to answer you, NZ is going the same way as Australia, Canada, USA, no doubt I will have the vile Rezali chime in and deny what I say .

      Are all Muslims bad ? no, not at all, their religion is violent, theological faulty and destructive from a freedom viewpoint, I don’t hate them or despise them, there are kind ones and honest ones I have met, I don’t hate the person, I detest Islam, it stands against Christianity in every way.

      By the way in NZ there already sleeper cells of closet Jihadists , remember the numbers, once the Muslim immigrants come into a host country laws start being effected and agitation starts occurring, roughly as follows:

      As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

      United States — Muslim 0.6%

      Australia — Muslim 1.5%

      Canada — Muslim 1.9%

      China — Muslim 1.8%

      Italy — Muslim 1.5%

      Norway — Muslim 1.8%

      At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
      This is happening in:

      Denmark — Muslim 2%

      Germany — Muslim 3.7%

      United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%

      Spain — Muslim 4%

      Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

      From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

      France — Muslim 8%

      Philippines — 5%

      Sweden — Muslim 5%

      Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%

      The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%

      Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

      At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

      When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

      Guyana — Muslim 10%

      India — Muslim 13.4%

      Israel — Muslim 16%

      Kenya — Muslim 10%

      Russia — Muslim 15%

      After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

      Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

      At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

      Bosnia — Muslim 40%

      Chad — Muslim 53.1%

      Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

      • Jen says

        Oct 27, 2014 at 11:43 pm

        Are those figures from Australia and the other Euro countries old ones? Aussie has at least 2% by now! But what you’re saying is right.

        It doesn’t require many to cause problems. When it hits a certain percentage, the trends follow the same as they do elsewhere. This is why I’m almost frantic about this situation. Look at how my relatives live. There are freakin’ checkpoints along the road, strong military presence, guns everywhere. You are not safe when you are surrounded by Muslims who absolutely hate Christians and any non-Muslim. They literally have gone on killing sprees, almost for the hell of it. Some of them not even strictly part of a terrorist group, they were simply peoples’ Muslim neighbours. One moment they were just your neighbour and the next moment, when they heard their Muslim brothers decided to go on a killing spree, they all just joined in! Just unbelievable. GOD I HATE MUHAMMAD.

        • Wolfgang says

          Oct 27, 2014 at 11:50 pm

          @jen

          yes the figures have now changed radically……..the ones I put here are about 18 months old, a friend in immigration in Australia tells me tens of thousands of Muslims have come into Australia, dont forget the illegals coming by boat into Darwin and those no one catches.

        • Wolfgang says

          Oct 28, 2014 at 12:02 am

          The actual tipping point for any non Muslim country is 2%.

          Note all the nations that WERE Christian because of the spread of the gospel such as Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Jordan etc , were wiped out within a century of allowing Muslims to come in unchecked.

          The total irony is that the Muslims now practicing genocide on Christians and Jews in Syria , Iraq, Iran came from Christian forebears that lived peacefully for centuries.

          The formula was an easy one, convert or die or be taken as a slave, then any children are raised as devout Muslims

        • Jen says

          Oct 28, 2014 at 12:51 am

          @wolfgang
          Regarding the Philippines: they are doing even MORE than just imposing halal- even at 5%!!!!!!!!

          They have killed, kidnapped and beheaded! Set off bombs in shopping establishments (I’ve seen the blown out windows first hand). The impact could be felt from a long way away.

          You have to be patted down around the stomach by a security guard before you enter larger shopping establishments and they look inside your handbag, each and every time that you enter one. There is a separate women and mens line of course. You don’t get pat down by a man if you’re a woman.

          If you bring a vehicle into the car park of a shopping mall, security will use large mirrors to look underneath the car to check if there’s any bombs and they open the boot (trunk) as well.

          We were followed by a Muslim man wearing a yellow t-shirt once. They are absolutely insane.

    • Jen says

      Oct 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm

      Hi! Glad to see there are other Kiwis here!

      Extending to the Pacific Islanders would not surprise me. Since Pacific Island people (and Maori) are over represented in crime statistics and tend to have other socioeconomic issues, it makes them an easier target for conversion.

      The worry is that we aren’t trying to restrict Islamic immigration. We even allowed that suspicious character named Ahmed Zaoui (a Muslim) into the country and he was granted citizenship this year. He traveled here on a fake South African passport and tore it up on arrival and applied for refugee status. In 2001 France convicted him in absentia for “participation in a criminal group with a view to preparing terrorist acts”. This man was a member of the Islamic Salvation Front, whose core objective was to establish an Islamic State ruled by Islamic law. Wonder how he feels about the caliphate set up by ISIS?! Happy about it, most likely.

      We allowed in roughly 700 mainly Muslim refugees from Somalia a long time ago and they caused problems. According to a comment I read on a NZ blog this year, the neighbourhood where they are still concentrated today is having problems with crime. Here is an old article about this problem of them walking around carrying knives and threatening people- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=14951

      Statistically, I understand that Muslims are approximately (just under?) 1% of our population AT THE MOMENT (perhaps EXCLUDING those on student visas- of which I know there are many).

      Here are some approximate figures for the percentage of Muslims in other countries- The frequency of problems each country, you could say, are almost proportionate to the number of Muslims they have in each of their countries:

      – In Australia, 2.09 %
      – In Canada, 3.2%
      – In the UK, 5.02%
      – In France, 7.5%
      – In Germany, 5%
      – In Spain, 2.3%
      – In Sweden, 6.05%
      -In Denmark, 4.59%

      It doesn’t require *many* Muslims for there to be issues with Islamic violence. Not simply large scale terrorist attacks, but “home grown” violence. See what has happened with rape in Sweden. See the youtube videos of the “religion of peace” destroying cars and other private property in France.

      I think we also have to think about Islam in the context of other social and economic issues which are affecting our country (and others) in the near future. Problems tend to stack on top of one another naturally, and a weakened economy is not a good thing when we are trying to fight a war with ISIS, as well as dealing with associated homeland violence from random jihadists not associated directly with ISIS.

      An issue to consider is the state of the American economy, should there be another collapse. Of course we remember what happened when the sub-prime mortgages fell apart and the global recession.

      The US dollar is heading in the wrong direction, I think, for several reasons including dozens of other countries setting up swap lines to bypass the US dollar, the household debt to income ratio cycle , this expansion of the currency supply etc, show bad signs. There are contrary reports refuting that this is a problem but I don’t agree. I think it is a huge problem and I do not feel that this trouble is very far away. Things will get very hard for people, even the middle- class will be hit hard.

      Will this weaken the West’s ability to combat the threat of ISIS because there are other problems running concurrently with this ISIS problem? The possible outcome for the NZ economy is yet to be known, if such thing does occur.

      What about “sleeper cells”? How many countries have them today? I don’t know the answer to that but it’s scary.

      Muslims with Australian citizenship will able to come and live in NZ without a visa. If things become too “unwelcoming” for them over there, they might decide to move here suddenly.

      There is no sense to what they are doing. Since it is motivated by their desire to fulfill their “religious” obligations I don’t see why a country like NZ would be spared from this, sadly. It makes me very worried about the future!

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 28, 2014 at 1:35 am

      Re the Pacific: the only Pacific nation with a largeish population of Muslims, at present, is Fiji.

      During the time of the British empire, people from India were imported to Fiji: some were Hindus and Sikhs and some were Muslims.

      The HIndus and Sikhs aren’t a problem but the Muslims *are*.

      Fijians haven’t yet woken up to the fact that the *real* issue for Fiji, in the near future, is not *ethnic* – “Indian” versus “Melanesian” but…Muslim (whether of Indian Muslim background, or of Melanesian background but converted to Islam) versus non-Muslim (everybody else, Melanesian or Indian, animist, Hindu, Sikh or Christian).

      A good book to have on your shelf is a book called “Operation World”: it’s for Christians, a guide to intercession, but it’s handy because it combines secular sources (such as the CIA factbook, published national censuses, etc) with what the various mission organisations and other christian bodies know from their grassroot sources. (They are *not* triumphalist; they tend to err on the side of caution in their estimates of the percentages of Christians and rates of growth, etc.)

      If the assorted small Pacific majority-nominally-Christian nations (other than Fiji, who’s already got an infestation) were *really smart*, what they could do, right now, is slap a flat ban on all entry of Muslims; and *refuse* to permit mosques to be built. Then they’d be well ahead of pretty nearly the rest of the world…

      • Wolfgang says

        Oct 28, 2014 at 8:51 pm

        @DDA

        From my news feed today come this :

        Burqa ban would have negative security implications: secret ASIO report

        http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/10/29/01/25/Burqa-ban-would-have-negative-security-implications-says-secret-ASIO-report

        And you think my stance that people won’t wake up is not correct ? pfft !

        got to disagree with you there, if ASIO the leading spy/ law agency in the land refuses to back a ban on the Burqa on the grounds of ” ” negative security implications ” they are more idiotic than I thought, clearly you can read between the lines the following ….I will translate Orwellian doublespeak.

        1. Quote …..” Any move in this direction would likely have negative implications, including increased tensions and distrust between communities ”

        ( Translation ……..we don’t have the manpower to stop the them )

        2. Quote : ” providing further fuel for extremist propaganda, recruitment and radicalisation efforts,” the report states. ”

        ( Translation…….we are outnumbered and cannot afford to antagonize them )

        3. Quote : ” Fairfax Media says the analytical report was circulated to every state and federal police force and major government departments including the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.

        The assessment has not been revised since.

        ( Translation……. we will do nothing )

        The people who run ASIO are no different than the FBI, DHS, MI5 or any other so called ” intelligence ” [ oxy moron for morons } services.

        They DON’T work for us the schmuck voters. period.

        My answer :

  7. Wolfgang says

    Oct 27, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    @lion rampant @Jen

    Go to this link and look for the Halal products sold in NZ ( there are hundreds ) , in your country Countdown is owned by Woolworths ( Australia ) Countdown stocks thousands of the same products as Australia, look on the back and see how many are Halal compliant, what pisses me off is that the big supermarket chains and business’s that become Halal compliant don’t tell the consumer and don’t give us a choice, by the way, hundreds of PAK n SAVE products are also Halal compliant.

    Personally I don’t like the way animals are killed using HALAL, cruel to the animal and terrifying to the poor animal.

    Halal Choices – Halal Products List and Halal Shopping Guide

    http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists.html

    • Jen says

      Oct 27, 2014 at 10:34 pm

      I didn’t see your post before typing mine- looks like you have all the statistics covered! Thanks

  8. Wolfgang says

    Oct 27, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    This just in ……..from Indonesia………

    Top Indonesian international school hit with claims of widespread sexual abuse by staff – 9news.com.au

    http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/10/28/06/42/top-indonesian-international-school-hit-with-claims-of-wide-spread-sexual-abuse-by-staff

    yes its the sham sham water……..apparently it gives you supernatural powers…..

    Poor Muslims can’t take good PR hit this last week can they ?

  9. Wolfgang says

    Oct 27, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    @Jen @Lion heart @ others who may watch this short clip……

    Only goes for 9 mins but its well put together .

    Three things you (probably) don’t know about islam – YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY

    @DDA

    Sharia law is already written and being written in the UK law…… my question for you is how did YOU stop it ?.

    Which goes back to my original point, namely that MOST people don’t do anything, they are too busy watching the idiot tube sitting in the corner or sipping lattés for 5 hours a day.

    me ? I protect my own…….and will fight both verbally and with all other means at my disposal when or if it comes to that.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 28, 2014 at 1:56 am

      I’m not from the UK; I’m an Aussie. So what was I, an Aussie voter, supposed to do about the foolish decisions of politicians on the other side of the world? You might as well ask me why I wasn’t able to stop Obama from becoming POTUS!

      As for me, a fifty-year-old mother of four in Aussie suburbia: I’m a member of Q Society. I do what I can to help raise awareness of the danger from Jihad: here at this forum, and in a number of other venues, and in face-to-face contact within my extended family and the church that I attend and among other acquaintances. I pester my politicians on this subject regularly; and whenever I see a politician doing anything at all to say “No” to Muslims, I make sure they get a supportive message. In the particular place where I reside, there are not too many “direct action” events such as rallies; those that *have* happened, such as a rally in support of Israel at the time of the most recent Gaza skirmish, I have attended (and it was a very useful opportunity for further networking and information-sharing).

      At this stage, I think those sorts of consciousness-raising actions *do* add up, and *will* add up. The more people “awaken”, the more likely it is that politicians will begin to sense that there are *votes* in standing up to Islam.

      I observe that the rural backbencher George Christensen, Federal MP, from country Queensland, who stepped up to support the call for a burka ban, did so because – so he said – his *constituents* had been raising the subject with him regularly (and from what he said, he seemed to have absorbed some very basic facts). So there you go! I made sure he got a supportive message, and additional information to supply him with (metaphorically-speaking) ammo. I think there will be others like him, presently, if more and more and more non-Muslim Aussie voters speak up and keep on speaking up.

      Each of us does what we can.

      I don’t think that it *will* necessarily, in this country or in NZ, come down to out and out Balkan-style civil war.

      • Wolfgang says

        Oct 28, 2014 at 4:18 am

        @DDA

        Ever heard of Hegelian dialectics ?, problem, solution, problem then offer the real alternative, Sun Tzu applied this technique very, very well, we had to study him.

        Tony Abbot is not stupid, he is a Rhodes scholar inculcated with a one world viewpoint if you will, so was Hawke, so many of the leading worlds leaders are of the same stripe, Blair and many other useful idiots, if one looks with a keen eye, you can see the divergence of two important streams coming together globally, the rise of Islam into a Caliphate and the diminishing of freedoms in the West, not possible for these two events to be just by coincidence, Australia is a disarmed country for the most part, people will argue otherwise, but it is a fait a compli by Howard with Labor backing that piece of skullduggery.

        ASIS , ASIO just like all their counterparts monitor all internet traffic, including this website, if you are writing to your Politician and telling those around you what is going on, then fine, great, but also be prepared , expect the best but plan for the worst, MOST Australians would rather watch ” My kitchen rules ” or ” masterchef ” or some other circus for the masses.

        When [ not if ] there is a large scale Madrid style bombing in Australia, fully expect those ” freedoms ” you have there to disappear over night. [ curtailment of freedom is happening in all Western countries btw. ]

        I have seen no one and I mean no one be a canary in the coal mine warning of the new terror laws there, the sociopaths people call politicians will not , I repeat not waste an opportunity to further their own agenda’s.

        So to go back to what I was asking you, namely where are the rising up of people en masse who have had enough of being picked on ?, vilified ?, bullied into silence ?, victims of Muslim thuggery ?.

        The general Australian catch cry is ” she”ll be right mate…………the general Kiwi catch cry is ” eh, she’ll be right bro “…..things have got to where they are around the Western countries purely because of similar attitudes to this.

        You won’t give in ? OK great !…….I won’t let anyone destroy my family or my country, there are Gert Wildeers and others around who stand up and be counted . But it takes a special person to not be intimidated.

        Most of the Church is asleep isn’t it ? , few Church leaders want to know about Christians being martyred for their faith .Many in the Church refuse to learn about ISIS or take responsibility for being watchmen for their city or country.

        I reckon that is what G-d calls us to do. Stand guard no matter what the price.

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