Yet another convert to Islam misunderstands his new religion and gets the crazy idea that it has something to do with violence against unbelievers. If only Barack Obama or John Kerry had been around to set him straight.
“Canadian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau thought to be the gunman in Ottawa shooting,” Sydney Morning Herald, October 23, 2014:
The man behind the Ottawa shootings is a Canadian convert to Islam whose passport had been seized by authorities, federal sources say.
While police have not confirmed the man’s identity, sources have told Canada’s Globe And Mail, Reuters and Associated Press that the main suspect was Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.
Just before 10am on Wednesday local time (1am AEDT Thursday), a gunman shot and killed Corporal Nathan Cirillo and then opened fire on the country’s Parliament buildings.
Sergeant-at-Arms Kevin Vickers, a former member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, shot the suspect dead.
The suspected gunman, Zehaf-Bibeau, 23, was reportedly born Michael Joseph Hall but changed his name, sources said.
The Globe and Mail newspaper said he was recently designated a “high-risk traveller” by the Canadian government – meaning it was feared he would travel abroad to commit crimes – and that his passport had been seized.
Zehaf-Bibeau had a history of drug use and had multiple run-ins with Canadian police in the French-speaking province of Quebec.
Authorities have not yet ruled out the possibility that there are other shooters still on the loose….
zulu says
TERRORISM IN THE WEST
October 22, 2014 16:39
Author Mark Steyn joins Brian to discuss today’s terrorist attack by a Muslim revert in Ottawa.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/terrorism-in-the-west/3853717667001
Morgan H says
insightful – as Steyn usually is. What I found most interesting was his assertion that westerners are attracted to “coolest club on the planet” partly as a response to a need for identity and purpose which our societies do not provide.
I have absolutely NO sympathy for them and I wish that they would all kill themselves first to find their meaning in that and save the rest of us a lot of trouble.
But it does seem to me that some in our societies are finding a hollowness, a void, something profoundly unfulfilling – the loss of pride in our heritage, in western culture in general, perhaps? If an underlying idea in our societies is that all ideologies, ethical systems, etc, are ultimately equivalent, what the heck then defines us? Makes us unique? What do we stand for? Some people unfortunately cannot figure out suitable answers for themselves and there are all too many predatory imans and the like who are quite willing to provide them with a ready-made meaning and supposed purpose for their pathetic lives.
Jay Boo says
Islam is where vanity is chained to its worst nemesis, ‘Emptiness’.
The convert’s expectation of instant vanity gratification inevitably collides with reality when the prayer mat props and Islamic stage costumes can no longer hide Islam’s vast and bottomless pit of emptiness.
Jack Diamond says
If you can’t figure out what you stand for when someone else wants to destroy your world (and you with it) you have a real problem. But existential dilemmas are no longer interesting (or excusable) when the house is on fire and assassins roaming the streets. To them you are forever a “Crusader.” Your identity is fixed. Why not start living up to it?
voegelinian says
What I found most interesting was his assertion that westerners are attracted to “coolest club on the planet” …
Zehaf-Bibeau was not a Westerner, except on paper.
Tom Davis says
I’ve never seen Steyn so angry.
Jay Boo says
He is very effective at cutting through the pandering cobwebs spun by enablers.
Encouraging.
MacUalraig says
Indeed. Steyn is great.
And SAA Vickers is a hero of the Counter Jihad.
Huck Folder says
I think Brian was a little too diffident in his interactions. Maybe he was scared Mark might cross some invisible ‘red line’ and get angry islamists and their CTRC tools on Sun Media’s back?
gravenimage says
Mark Steyn is always excellent—a particular hero of mine.
As for those who are attracted to Islam, though—almost without exception, these people are utter losers, who often already have a history of violence and crime.
Whatever the shortcomings of the modern West, even marginally healthy people looking for identity and purpose are not drawn to violent Islam.
voegelinian says
Lawrence Auster had a good point about Steyn — a point I have noticed about quite a few other robustly no-nonsense counter-jihadists:
“Here’s the essence of Steyn’s incoherence/defeatism: He keeps claiming to be warning Europe against a dread danger, but then he never says what to DO about that danger and in fact he says we’re finished anyway.
“Thus he says,
“On the contrary, one of the clearest signs of our decline is the way we expend so much energy worrying about the wrong things…. As Jean-François Revel wrote, “Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself.”
“So he’s saying we need to defend ourselves. From what? And what should this self-defense consist of? He never says. All he does is go after the leftist elites (after making a nod to the idea that the elites are not the whole problem) who blame all problems in the world on Western perniciousness. His analysis of the left is true, of course. But still that leaves unaddressed the question: if the left always blames Western perniciousness instead of worrying about real threats to the West, what would the West do if it DID worry about threats to the West? In particular, what would it do about Islam? He never says. The most one can glean is that, since the Western suicide consists of low birth rates, PC, and excessive dependence on government, Western self-defense would consists of an increased birth rate, a rejection of PC, and less dependence on government. Fine. But the question remains, once the West does those necessary things, what does it do about Islam? He doesn’t address the issue.”
John says
I guess we will see more and more of this from the religion of peace as they step up their campaign to want to rule the world. We have not found a cure for cancer yet and we sure as hell have no cure for this mob ( YET )
donovan Nuera says
At least we had the sense to declare a “war” on cancer…
Paleologos says
Oh John, the cure is simple, but brutal … like the fix for gangrene:
1) Infiltrate all mosques.
2) When “Death to the Great/Little Satans” hell speak commences, make those speakers disappear, in a prejudicial way. This will drive them underground, but they will understand, “Game On!”
3) Close all mosques.
4) Deport all muslims. No exceptions. No mindless distinctions between radical and moderate islam.
5) Be ready to use superior U.S. military power … and I’m not referring to just the pin prick drone strikes that our muslim turd in chief endorses.
6) Fight like this is a REAL WAR … because that’s exactly what we (western civilization) are in.
R/
Paleologos
PGuud says
Damn right!–on every point.
Has North America not learned anything about Islam from Europe? from history?!
“Muslims” (adherents of Islam) are not deserving of the right to live among free people. They are the enemy. They will forever be the enemy. Apparently, the “religion” label precludes many an otherwise sensible person from coming to that conclusion.
Stop Muslim immigration now!!
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
Charli Main says
“We have not found a cure for cancer yet and we sure as hell have no cure for this mob ( YET )”
Yes, John, there is a cure for the cancer of Islam.
The real problem is that no one has the balls to administer the medicine and so the cancer grows and grows————–
Richie says
How long before Muslims claim to be the victim?
Salome says
They don’t have to–the police are already doing it for them.
Jay Boo says
Muzzies love attention more than anything else.
Victimhood is how narcissistic Muzzies say but “what about me”.
When sociopathic Muhammad realized his shallowness, he at first wanted to commit suicide, but then turned to numerous sexual perversions, butchery and invented the slave-trade religion of Islam in order to cover up and rationalize his infidelity to humanity.
gravenimage says
Richie wrote:
How long before Muslims claim to be the victim?
……………………….
It started virtually immediately, Richie. This is from yesterday, before the victim’s body was even cold:
“Muslim community fears backlash over Couture-Rouleau’s vicious acts”
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/muslim-community-fears-backlash-over-couture-rouleau-s-vicious-acts-1.2064800#
Transmaster says
Isn’t interesting that the Sultan of Stupid in the White House was quick to call this terrorism in Canada but in the States it is always work place violence.
wolverene13 says
Because it is in fact workplace violence. A guy who works at a place gets p!ssed off at his coworkers for a work related reason and kills people. That is workplace violence. Maj. Nidal Hassan and Alton Nolan both got angry about something that happened at work and killed people directly because of it. No different than the postal workers shooting up their workplaces in the 90’s. Were they called “Christian Terrorists?” No, of course not. A terrorist attack is when someone specifically sets out, alone or with others, to kill random people for purely political reasons. Not when an event at work spurs them to immediately (or soon thereafter) react in the same manner due to the fact that they are angry at something that just happened at work. The distinction is like the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder – premeditated? or not? Were these two people radicalized? Yes. Did they commit their act because of that? No. However, the manner in which they committed their crimes was influenced by that radicalization (particularly the beheading). Semantics? Maybe, but that still makes it workplace violence and not a terrorist attack.
gravenimage says
What *utter crap*. Hasan had preached violent Jihad quite openly for months, and considered himself a Soldier of Islam—he even had cards printed up. He decided on his act of Jihad not because someone at work angered him, but because he was set to deploy to Afghanistan, and he would not oppose violent Muslims on behalf of the filthy Infidels. His every motive was Islamic.
wolverene13 says
So you are therefore agreeing with me – had he not been set to deploy it wouldn’t have happened, and therefore, he was triggered by a workplace event same as Nolan was.
Jack Diamond says
When someone shouts “Allah-u akbar!” before they kill they are killing for Allah, declaring they are waging jihad fi sabilillah. It means they are doing it for reasons of Islam which means it is not merely “workplace violence” and definitely not something being done for purely personal reasons (“pissed off”) but something that transcends the workplace (eg.the umma) and makes it not only a terrorist attack but an act of war. That’s why they shout it and that’s what they mean by it. Trying to lay the blame on their “grievances” (which are endless) and not their violent, supremacist agenda is the role of all good apologists for the jihad.
wolverene13 says
I never said he wasn’t radicalized and that he wasn’t influenced by radical Islam. I’m merely making a distinction between a planned terrorist attack that was performed against total strangers with whom you have no prior affiliation in a symbolic/political manner, and an incident where someone goes and kills people at their workplace (influenced by Islam or not) as the result of something that occurred at said workplace. Again, in both Nolan and Hassan’s cases, the manner in which they carried out their crimes and the methods they used were influenced by their progression towards radicalism, but would most likely not have happened had something not happened at there that caused them to “go off the deep end.” They knew their victims and had a specific reason to kill them. Terrorists attack public places, people they don’t know, to prove a point. Not because they were specifically angered by those people and knew them personally, because they worked together. Timothy McVeigh is an example, and also Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, Richard Reid, and Ted Kaczynski. Nolan and Hassan are not. They attacked because of their workplace. The fact that they were using methods and gestures influenced by radical Islam is ancillary.
Jack Diamond says
Qur’an 9:123 “”O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
I’m sorry Muslims waging jihah-fi-sabilillah don’t follow your rules for terrorists, that it is not jihad if you know the person or work with them or are in the military with them. It’s something they did to tick you off ( like just existing as kaffirs) but not real jihad. Or by making you go overseas to fight (fellow) jihadists so you make the choice to kill your (fellow) soldiers instead, and later pledge allegiance to the Islamic State. Must have been a tough day at the office. (You think he aimed only at soldiers he “knew” and was “mad” at?) Your theories are going to be great comfort to all the future victims of Muslim neighborly murder or workplace slaughter. Just another guy going postal.
Muhammad, the perfect example of conduct for Muslims, knew many of the people he did “fighting in the cause of Allah” against. When the Qur’an says “fight the Pagans wherever you find them” or “fight those who believe not in Allah (and Muhammad) including Jews and Christians” there is no caveat only to fight them if you don’t know them or live near them or work with them. Just the opposite. By the way, the term “fight” here comes from the Arabic “q-t-l” or qital. It means more than fight. It means kill, slaughter, massacre.
PRCS says
I imagine that by now the mosque he attended has made sure any pictures or documents that would even suggest his attendance there no longer exist.
Jack Diamond says
First, Rouleau, the hit and run jihadi: “Earlier this summer… Rouleau was stopped by authorities while trying to leave the country. ” He wanted to go fight jihad but they wouldn’t let him do it.” So he did it there.
Now Zihaf-Bibeau : recently designated a “high-risk traveller” by the Canadian government – meaning it was feared he would travel abroad to commit crimes – and that his passport had been seized.
Definitely better to let him commit crimes in Canada. Good thinking. Either arrest him (why was he considered a high risk traveler?) or give him a one way ticket out, let him scurry off to join ISIS and die with the rest of the cockroaches, but to not do anything? How many enemies within do they plan on “keeping an eye on” day and night, from now on…
profitsbeard says
Kill
Or
Rape
Any
Non-Muslim
The KORAN spells it out.
But the self-blinded infidels keep denying the reality leaving more of them dead every day.
Ayatrollah says
It should be easy to find out where he was exposed to “not real” radical Islam. Check his computer. Some one is going to have to take a look at the mosque? Or not.
Ayatrollah says
Is someone going to take a look at his computer for radical Islam?
A racist hateful islamiphob should do a quick check of the mosque.
Never mind. Hateful idea
Gail Griffin says
Forget this: the Syrian A.F. destroyed 2 of the 3 MIGs that IS . captuef on the runways if Jaffah Airfield. Yippee!!
Beagle says
Some US F-15, F-18, and F-22 pilots are sobbing quietly in their bunks tonight trying not to be heard by their buddies.
RichardL says
bot Mohammedans were known to the police. Harper is a good guy: he will find a way to come down hard on at least the non-original Canadian Mohammedans. Wouldn’t it be cool, if, as a consequence of this, Canada would be the first country to only accept non-Mohammedans refugees? I can see Australia following.
Jay Boo says
More disturbing news —
His mom is a senior civil servant with Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board.
“he was the son of Susan Bibeau, a senior civil servant with Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board, while his stepfather or adoptive father was Bulgasem Zehaf, a Libyan businessman”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canada-killer-believed-devil-was-after-him/ar-BBaIRcz
gravenimage says
Jay Boo, even though this Jihadist has been described as a “convert”, I had wondered about that “Zehaf” in his hyphenated surname. Given the fact that Libya has very few non-Muslims, chances are that his father is Muslim.
Only one bit of good news about his mother—we so often get mealy-mouthed equivocation from the relatives of Jihadists, where they make it seem as thought the terrorist was the victim.
Not so from Susan Bibeau, who has forthrightly made it clear where her sympathies lie:
“Mom of Canada suspect: I cry for victims, not son”
http://news.yahoo.com/canadas-pm-says-shooting-rampage-terrorism-055949023.html
I know nothing else about her, or her involvement with the Libyan, but this at least is refreshing.
Jay Boo says
gravenimage
Thanks for that info and the link
Side note:
I would have replied sooner but my schedule has changed some months ago and I normally don’t post around approximately noon to midnight EST except on sometimes on Fridays and weekends.
Sk says
Both attackers on canada brainwashed by hwdwdwcw.
Ha Meshuga says
Looking forward to the theatrical version of this and its “romance”….
harbidoll says
movie The recruit– Recruiter ‘ join the CIA” , kid,”do I have to kill anyone?” . Recruiter, “would u like to kill someone?” Islam offers anything your perverted little mind can think of! Both here & in the afterlife. SICK!!
Tom Davis says
It is amazing the amount of delusion in our society. We refuse to admit to Islamic desires to kill, and then we project those desires onto our own intelligence agencies.
Anyone who knows anyone in the CIA (I do) knows that they are either ex-military who long ago got any desire to kill people out of their system – if they ever had it – or else they are academics who sit around all day and translate foreign newspapers. Also, the last thing the CIA wants are people with deep emotional desires that could lead to them going rogue. The dialog in The Recruit is a fantasy that should be purged from the popular imagination.
sanjulcle says
How many more of us will have to die on the politically correct altar of our politicians, leftie luvvies and trendy idiots before they finally admit that islam is a religion of sexual slavery, hatred ,anti-semitism, lust, violece, self-indulgence, child marriage, victim-minded ghettoism, and false religion with a false prophet, demon god and brainwashed multitude.
VictorMc says
‘Converts’ are the worst as they are by definition – lunatics. In their tiny brains (which you couldn’t find with a microscope) they think they have to prove something….
sanjulcle says
And now we have the sad spectacle of the Canadian Prime Minister saying they will never be intimidated – Really? Oh, is that why the police chief issued such a wimpering letter, almost immediately, to the muslims in Ottawa. Pity he didn’t have the time to issue the same wimpering letter to the rest of Ottawa’s population, apologising for the danger he has put them in by not doing his job properly in the first place. If he had, he would have seen this coming – but that would have been islamaphobic, no doubt! And can’t be seen to be that, can he – so it is far better to sacrifice non-muslims on his altar of wilful ignorance than to see muslims being investigated for terrorist leanings. Pathetic.
Tom Davis says
I’ll believe we are not intimidated when the honor guards in Ottawa have bayonets mounted and rounds in the chambers, with the magazines fully loaded.
David says
But…. western politicians are continually telling me Islam is a religion of peace…. the same western politicians who were barricaded behind their own parliamentary doors hiding from a Muslim convert gunman….. hmm something isn’t right here methinks; poetic justice perhaps?
Meanwhile in Australia, we keep exporting live animals to Islamic countries, who keep on treating them with cruelty. What don’t politicians understand about Islamic killing of animals = cruelty to animals?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/live-exports-under-fire-after-australian-cattle-cruelly-treated-in-middle-east-20141023-11a8r3.html
duh_swami says
Allah sends Iblis, disguised as Gabriel, to some converts to press them three times and order them to read. Read what? Why Quran of course, along with some sunnah and sira, followed by Ali Khomeini’s ‘Little Green Book’. Armed with those, the convert knows what to do to please Allah, and qualify for all those great rewards.
duh_swami says
Allah tweets, ‘surrender to me of die filthy kuffar’…The filthy kuffar reply…’OK, but please don’t hurt me’…’Please don’t hurt me’ letters to Allah are becoming more common…even the police are writing them…
VictorMc says
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
ALL you need to know.
john spielman says
ah, as with this man , criminals make the best muslim converts because, unlike Christ Jesus ‘s followers, there is NO requirement for personal transformation into a new person. in fact criminals, just as they are , are mimicking the life of muhammed(pbuh*) that vile demon possessed mass murderer thief liar misogynist and pedophile!
*pbuh-perpetual banishment unto hell!
jewdog says
ISIS presents a cogent and inspiring ideology which motivates people independent of any organized groups nearby, hence the constant danger of lone wolf attacks. If we want to effectively oppose it we will need to first, thoroughly understand it and its Islamic tenets, and then come up with an alternate vision of life which is more compelling.
Simply dismissing ISIS and its acolytes as evil or “senseless”, as Obama has, is not going to do it.
Morgan H says
Not to belittle your suggestion – I agree in principal – but what should we tell those who wish to indulge their animal appetites without self discipline or concern for others? “If you follow the Golden Rule and behave yourself, after death (which, incomprehensibly, you will survive) an imaginary 72 virgins wait for you?”
What can our society offer to them as compelling as Islam’s filthy promise that all their darkness, their hatred, lust, envy, viciousness, has an appropriate and “holy” outlet- “unleash it on the infidel and you will be rewarded for your admirable, brave deeds”?
gravenimage says
Jewdog wrote:
If we want to effectively oppose it we will need to first, thoroughly understand it and its Islamic tenets, and then come up with an alternate vision of life which is more compelling.
……………………………………
Jewdog, the free West *already* offers an alternate vision of life which is far more compelling to any even vaguely healthy person.
We can—and should—continue to improve, of course.
But thugs are not turning to Islam because of any shortcomings or hypocrisies in the culture of the West.
If someone finds the horror of the Islamic State compelling—as this Jihadist did, with its beheadings, sex slavery, stoning of women, and genocide of Infidels—then the civilized world will have nothing to offer them.
Jay Boo says
“He believed the Devil was after him” says the MSN headline.
The tease has already begun to hint that it is not really about Islam.
zulu says
The suspect’s father [Bulgasem Zehaf] is believed to have fought in Libya in 2011, as a soldier bearing his father’s name was quoted in a Washington Times report from the Libyan front.
A man named Dave Bathurst, who said that he knew Zehaf-Bibeau from a Burnaby, B.C. mosque three years ago, told the Globe and Mail that Zehaf-Bibeau frequently talked about Shaytan, an Arabic term for devils and demons. He was barred from the mosque and had been living in an almost-empty one room apartment and was hoping to study Islam in the MIddle East, according Bathurst’s quotes in the report.
Read more: http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-shooter-was-a-high-risk-traveller-grew-up-in-laval-and-montreal-1.2066697#ixzz3GyWKt8XD
…They last met at a mosque six weeks ago, when Michael Zehaf-Bibeau said he wanted to “go back to Libya to study”.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29736853
cassandra says
Zehaf is a muslim name of North African origin. Just google Mahgrebia.com or ancientplaces.
Don McKellar says
Justin Trudeau has issued a form email to anybody subscribing to the Liberal party site. At the end of the letter it addresses moslems and shows he’s a lock step idiot in willful denial of his ignorance on Islam and the Islamic texts:
(…)
To our friends and fellow citizens in the Muslim community, Canadians know acts such as these committed in the name of Islam are an aberration of your faith. Continued mutual cooperation and respect will help prevent the influence of distorted ideological propaganda posing as religion. We will walk forward together, not apart.
(…)
Thank you.
Justin Trudeau
NEEDLESS TO SAY, you will NOT see such drivel and nonsense from PM Harper, the current leader of the free world.
GeoffM says
His father is Lebanese and has gone to fight in Syria.
Why are people saying he is a convert? It’s highly likely he has always been a Muslim.
gravenimage says
I agree—the more information comes out, it appears that his father is not just a Muslim, but a Jihad fighter himself.
And while Muslims in Canada initially claimed that he couldn’t be considered Muslim because he ‘converted on the internet’, it appears that he has attended Mosque for at least the last three years.