In Pakistan and elsewhere, Sunnis violently persecute Ahmadis as heretics and apostates. Yet in the West, Ahmadi spokesmen such as the viciously arrogant and spectacularly rude Qasim Rashid and the ostentatiously pious and unctuously reptilian Haris Zafar make a tidy living allying with their persecutors and aiding and abetting their sinister agenda by telling non-Muslim audiences what they want to hear — that Islam doesn’t actually have any of the doctrines that Sunnis invoke to persecute Ahmadis and others. And indeed, Ahmadi Islam doesn’t — but Rashid and Zafar don’t bother to mention to their marks that they represent a form of Islam that is held by an actual tiny minority, and one that is rejected by the mainstream and persecuted by it as heretical.
The only effect of their endless stream of articles and books purporting to prove that Islamic texts and teachings don’t actually contain material justifying violence and supremacism will be to render Infidels complacent and less likely to resist that violence and supremacism, or at least less likely to do so in any genuinely effective way. Ahmadi Muslims will continue to suffer because of the laws about apostasy, heresy and blasphemy that Rashid, Zafar and other Ahmadis deny exist instead of confronting and calling for genuine reform — but that doesn’t seem to trouble them.
“Blasphemy: Mob attacks Ahmadis, kills woman, 2 girls in Pak,” PTI, October 28, 2014:
Lahore: A woman and her two minor grand- daughters were killed when an angry mob set alight several houses, shops in Pakistan’s Punjab province belonging to the minority Ahmadi sect in riots that followed the alleged posting of blasphemous content on Facebook.
The violence erupted yesterday in the city of Gujranwala, about 80 kilometres from Lahore, after claims that a Ahmadi youth, 17, had posted a photo containing blasphemous content, said Amir Mahmood, an office-bearer of the Ahmadi community.
After the news spread about the incident, a large number of people, armed with sticks and chanting slogans, marched towards the residence of the youth in Katchi Pump locality.
“The mob first looted the furniture and other valuables from the eight houses and four shops of the Ahmadis and then torched them. Ten persons were trapped in houses when the mob torched it,” said Mahmood.
“Three of them were found dead while the other seven including women were shifted to hospital.”
The condition of a woman, who lost her child in the tragedy, is critical, he said.
The dead has been identified as Bashiran, 50, her granddaughters Hira, 8, and Kainaat, 3, said Central Police Officer Gujranwala division Waqas Nazir.
Blasphemy is a very sensitive subject in Pakistan, where Muslims make up the majority of the 180 million population. Those convicted under blasphemy laws can get life sentences or the death penalty.
However, that has not stopped people from taking the law into their own hands. Witnesses often are reluctant to testify in defence of a person accused of blasphemy….
Jay Boo says
Behead funding of a country that persecutes Christians with so called anti blasphemy laws.
Financial Aid numbers
http://www.cgdev.org/page/aid-pakistan-numbers
mortimer says
Deduct $10 million every time a persecution occurs.
Jay Boo says
What does racist Ben Affleck have to save about the Ahmadi and other religious minorities in Pakistan? It appears he does not care about them because they don’t look like him.
johnnie the jew says
Ben “Afflicted” wouldn’t know his ass from his elbow about diddly squat when it comes to Islam. He’s just a low IQ dhimmi hustler
Frans Groenendijk says
Mr Affleck never heard of Ahmadiyya. And he will surely not believe this text about this absurd cult. In his defense: their behavior is unbelievable indeed. It would be nice if he, and people defending him, would start taking notice of reality.
O wait, maybe Affleck is a a professional actor?
gp says
His statements have no basis in reality. Regardles, matters of fact are terrible stubborn things.
Barry K says
Main stream Islam will seek to destroy any one that seeks to interprete the Koran differently from them and so the Ahmadis, Sufis etc that differ from the mainstream Islamic version will be regarded as heretics and violently persecuted. There are now small groups of Muslims in Indonesia, Malaysia etc that disagree with the theology of main stream Islam. They are starting to rise up and begin to question main stream theology, and they have begun to think differently and chose to deradicalise Islam with views that will make it relevant and accommodating to today’s world but are blasted by the radical mainstream mullahs as liberals and pluralistic in their views and theology. Such people with new thoughts would include Reza Aslan. Why is this blog so against Reza and those with more ‘reformed’ views, and insist those views are not Islamic and keep throwing an endless stream of stones at them. Have we appointed ourselves as ‘experts’ and judges together with the mullahs and declare these ‘heretics’ don’t know or understand the Koran. Everyone, in every religion ( christians alike), are entitled to their views and interpretations.
Salah says
“In Pakistan and elsewhere, Sunnis viciously and violently persecute Ahmadis as heretics and apostates.”
Elsewhere…as in…Indonesia?
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Indonesia: Savage beating of people (ahmadis) by Muslims who feel Islam was insulted (extreme violence)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2011/02/indonesia-lynching.html
john spielman says
that “leftists ” and Ahmadi (and other minority islamic groups) can’t perceive the danger that is present in islam itself, must mean that both socialism and islam leads to cognitive impairment (brain rot)
Barry K says
This leftwing-phobia has even been extended to the pope. In a news report today he said many ( esp in capitalist free market USA), tend to see him as having communist leanings because of his concern for the poor and his criticism of wealth in the hands of a few people and country.
Funny that the Muslims blame the USA , Israel and the Jews for all their problems while the right wing blame the left wing for the decline of Christianity and Judeo Christian values ( and the subsequent rise of Islam) in the west. The truth is that the west both from right and left wing abandoned the faith of their Puritan fathers a long while back. The majority of those that still claim to be ‘Christians’ can, by the strict theological yardstick used in this blog , be easily brushed aside ( like we do to Reza Aslan ) as heretics being liberal, pluralistic and inclusive and lacking in their understanding of proper scriptural verses or overlooking them like Reza.
Twostellas says
Everyday with Pakistan having nuclear weapons, and getting nuttier and more fanatical, it is a serious danger to the world…not to mention their proliferation I’m sure to other Sunni Islamic nations (at least) ….one day this all may become clear to the world if they decide to go all out in coordination. Hope we are prepared and PC madness has not let this be ignored.
Ayatrollah says
You do see the ahmadis speaking in the west, saying Islam is peace, but they never tell you what they say is a death penalty crime under sharia.
Pakistan is a real shit hole and we should not give them one dime until they at least try to have human rights as defined by western standards. Filthy
mortimer says
Pakistan will not make any progress in civil rights as long as the Taliban and Al Qaeda are within their borders, in their government, their legal system and in their military.
Champ says
So much for islam being a “religion of peace”, eh? …the world will never experience peace as long as islam exists, creating nothing but hell on earth.
islam be gone!
fair_dinkum says
4 children dead? pakistan is a cesspit..
abad says
When you consider that Muslims behead other Muslims over “theological schools” that’s a sign they are all barbarians. Blast them back to the 7th century where they belong….
mach37 says
Islam – a “religion” and “civilization” that allows mob violence, capital punishment without trial, just on the whim of the male (males only) who claim to find apostasy. Why do the non-Muslim nations allow this to happen? Tolerance of this “religion” must end.
shabeer_hassan says
Apostate ordered killing when they are fighting against Islam: committed
murder and theft
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 37
“By Allah, Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle, and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”
…. Anas said: “Eight persons from the tribe of ‘Ukl came to Allah’s Apostle and gave the Pledge of allegiance for Islam (became Muslim). The climate of the place (Medina) did not suit them, so they became sick and complained about that to Allah’s Apostle. He said (to them ), “Won’t you go out with the shepherd of our camels and drink of the camels’ milk and urine (as medicine)?” They said, “Yes.” So they went out and drank the camels’ milk and urine, and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of Allah’s Apostle and took away all the camels……….
Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 134
“I do not know that killing a person is lawful in Islam except in three cases: a married person committing illegal sexual intercourse, one who has murdered somebody unlawfully, orone who wages war against Allah and His Apostle.
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 4 :: Hadith 234
Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle .”
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 261
Peacful Apostate not killed:
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 814
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 30 :: Hadith 107,108
Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 6087 [not blindly kill innocent people]
Peaceful Apostate not killed:
Muslim :: Book 38 : Hadith 6693
Anas b. Malik reported: There was a person amongst us who belonged to the tribe of Bani Najjar and he recited Sura al-Baqarah and Surat Al-i-‘Imran and he used to transcribe for Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). He ran away as a rebel and joined the People of the Book. They gave it much importance and said: He is the person who used to transcribe for Muhammad and they were much pleased with him. Time rolled on that Allah caused his death. They dug the grave and buried him therein, but they found to their surprise that the earth had thrown him out over the surface. They again dug the grave for him and buried him but the earth again threw him out upon the surface. They again dug the grave for him and buried him but the earth again threw him out upon the surface. At last they left him unburied.
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 814
Narrated Anas:
There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: “Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him.” Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, “This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them.” They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, “This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them.” They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground).
Prophet allow Apostate to live:
Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4593
It has been narrated by Salama b. al-Akwa’ that he visited al-Hajjaj who said to him: O son of al-Akwa’, you have turned apostate and have come to live again in the desert with the Bedouins (after your migration). He said: No, but the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) has permitted me to live in the desert.
Apostate killed wrong meaning: [actually it for adultery & killer, prophet used the word [li’l-jama’ah or al-jama’ah]
Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4152,4154
Killing apostate prohibited:
Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.18.16
Malik related to me from Abd ar-Rahman ibn Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Abd al-Qari that his father said, “A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab from Abu Musa al-Ashari. Umar asked after various people, and he informed him. Then Umar inquired, ‘Do you have any recent news?’ He said, ‘Yes. A man has become a kafir after his Islam.’ Umar asked, ‘What have you done with him?’ He said, ‘We let him approach and struck off his head.’ Umar said, ‘Didn’t you imprison him for three days and feed him a loaf of bread every day and call on him to tawba that he might turn in tawba and return to the command of Allah?’ Then Umar said, ‘O Allah! I was not present and I did not order it and I am not pleased since it has come to me!’ ”
Allah will punish apostate:
3:86. How shall Allâh guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).
3:87. they are those whose recompense is that on them (rests) the Curse of Allâh, of the angels, and of all mankind.
3:88. they will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while).
3: 90. Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief (i.e. disbelief in the Qur’ân and in Prophet Muhammad SAW) – never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray.
3: 177. Verily, those who purchase disbelief at the price of Faith, not the least harm will they do to Allâh. For them, there is a painful torment.
4: 137. Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allâh will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way.
9: 74. They swear by Allâh that they said nothing (bad), but really they said the word of disbelief, and they disbelieved after accepting Islâm, and they resolved that (plot to murder Prophet Muhammad SAW) which they were unable to carry out, and they could not find any cause to do so except that Allâh and His Messenger had enriched them of His Bounty. If then they repent, it will be better for them, but if they turn away, Allâh will punish them with a painful torment in this worldly life and in the Hereafter. And there is none for them on earth as a Walî (supporter, protector) or a helper.