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Parents of Islamic State hostage attend Islamic prayer service after begging jihadists to release their son

Oct 12, 2014 3:03 pm By Robert Spencer

Ed-and-Paula-KassigEd and Paula Kassig’s grief and fear are understandable, and it is likewise understandable that they would be driven to desperate measures. And while the Muslims they stood with made statements deploring the kidnapping and threatening of their son, who has converted to Islam in captivity, nonetheless the captors of their son pray the same prayers and have the same religious culture. If their son had been taken hostage by Nazis in 1942 would they be appearing at German-American Bund events wearing Nazi regalia?

“Parents of American ISIS hostage attend Islamic prayer service after begging militants on Twitter to release their son,” by Louise Boyle, Daily Mail, October 10, 2014:

The parents of ISIS hostage Abdul-Rahman Kassig attended an Islamic service today to pray for their only son after militants named him as the next beheading victim.

Ed and Paula Kassig requested the service at the Islamic Society of North America in Plainfield, Indiana on Friday afternoon at 2pm.

The service was multi-faith and honored the humanitarian work that Mr Kassig, a 26-year-old Indiana native, carried out in Syria before he was captured by the extremists last October.

Mr Kassig was named by ISIS as their next victim following the beheading of British hostage Alan Henning in a video, posted online last Friday.

Edgar Hopida, from the Islamic Society, told WTHR that they were fearful for Mr Kassig but maintained a sense of hope.

Mr Hopida said: ‘He’s one of our own. He’s a Hoosier. He’s also our brother in Islam, and so we want to support the family. We want to support Peter by having a short program to honor his work.’

Mrs Kassig will read messages from friends at the service.

The Islam society welcomed everyone and asked guests to dress conservatively. The group said they would appreciate if woman wore headscarves but it was not required. …

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  1. Jay Boo says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Islamic prayer service (AKA — Islam damage control / proselytizing )

    • luc_syd says

      Oct 15, 2014 at 4:12 am

      “الخليفة العظيم لايزيس”: ترك هذا الأخ تلام الإسلام الذهاب. أنا عدو للدين والدولة الخاصة بك. وسوف أحمل رقبتي مقابل له. أنا امرأة لا يخاف من الخاص بك بليد مملة. سأكون خروف استعداد الخاص بك.

      to the Great Caliph of ISIS: let this blameless brother of Islam go. I am the enemy of your state and religion. I will bring my neck in exchange for his. I am a woman who is not afraid of your dull blade. I shall be your willing lamb.

  2. Don McKellar says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    The only reason we haven’t seen a video execution of their son yet is because the caliph of the Islamic State has put a temporary ban on making those videos for PR reasons.

    The nazi reference is very accurate in this post. Cowering before monsters and honoring them is always the wrong thing to do. The parents’ actions don’t make a damn bit of sense and will accomplish nothing.

    • Bettina says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 6:16 pm

      You are right, Don — these poor parents’ agonized submission to muslim prayers and ritual will not weight one red cent against the agenda of those blood-thirsty monsters. Still, they must do SOMETHING rather than just wait in powerlessness — even if that means adopting the ways of Stockholm Syndrome.

      • Mads says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 pm

        I agree. I would do anything, anything at all to help my son had he been a captive of ISIS but we all saw what happened to Alan, the UK citizen, who had done nothing more than to assist refugees. Many Imans announced that he should not be executed. But he was executed.
        ISIS is akin to 1930s, 1940s Nazism and worse, if that can be imagined.

        My prayers are with the family. I truly hope that I am incorrect and that their young son will be set free.

        • moray watson says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 12:24 pm

          Their “young son” has made the adult decision to convert to islam. I am not praying or hoping for him at all.

    • John C. Barile says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 6:26 pm

      The German-American Bund was put out of business in December, 1941, when Adolf Hitler’s Germany declared war on us immediately following Pearl Harbor. The militarist Japanese tail waved the Nazi German dog on that one.

    • John C. Barile says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      I doubt that Abdul-Rahman Kassig will be executed, as he has completely gone over to the other side and allied himself with his captors. I sure they find him more useful alive (it shows) than dead.

      • Frans Groenendijk says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:13 pm

        You described my fear, John C. Barile

    • Barry K says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 11:05 pm

      It is not fair to say he cowering since he is not a one way but many ways to Heaven guy or many ways ‘Christian’ and prayering with people of other faiths is alright and acceptable to them. Furthermore it is an interfaith Prayer. Radical Islam is certainly real, cruel and heartless but your comment is no less heartless like them. Just another brave ‘Peter’ who will show his true colours if under the evil threat of being slaughtered like a chicken by a Jihadist’s knife.

      • moray watson says

        Oct 13, 2014 at 12:29 pm

        islam is islam. All muslims are totalitarians, existentially pursuing the supremacist goal of worldwide submission of all to “allah”. The only thing “radical” about “radical muslims” are their tactics. The only thing “moderate” about “moderate muslims” are their tactics.

        And there is no muslim prayer (interfaith or otherwise) that does not ask for “allah’s” assistance with the submission or subjugation of infidels.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 14, 2014 at 9:39 pm

        “Barry K” wrote:

        Radical Islam is certainly real, cruel and heartless but your comment is no less heartless like them.
        ………………………………

        What crap—this is not just “interfaith”, this is groveling to the creed in whose name and according to which tenets Peter Kassig was kidnapped and is being threatened with beheading.

        Moreover, this lot has links to the Jihad terror group Hamas—although I very much doubt that the Kassig family realizes that.

        Moreover, your false moral equivalence is witless—even were Robert Spencer mistaken in his opinion about this supremacist “interfaith” Taqiyya—which he is not—your equating this with the morality of *beheading journalists and aid workers* is grotesque and offensive.

    • Jack Gordon says

      Oct 13, 2014 at 9:12 am

      And it’s extremely disturbing to see grown adults groveling before murderers for any reason. The Foley family didn’t stoop to this level of degradation — although they seem far too chummy to Mohammedans and outrageously ”understanding” of the ideology that killed their son — and that is to their credit. I am especially offended to see Western women adopt the slave costume of Mohammed’s nauseous pseudo-religion.

  3. Jay Boo says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Leftist thinking:

    If you feed the bear,
    the bear will become your friend.

    Grizzly Man Trailer HD

    • Tradewinds says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 4:37 pm

      Treadwell did survive for 13 summers in Alaska surrounded by Grizz. In the last year he stayed too late in the season – into October – when the bears are trying to eat as much as possible before hibernating. Well – one got him and he was partially eaten. Of course the bears were never his “friend,” but they were well-fed with fish and berries and so tolerated him during the summers. However, it’s still utterly amazing he lasted that long out there in the wild surrounded by grizzlies.

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:00 pm

        Tradewinds
        Thanks for the additional info. It has been many years since I watch it on DVD.

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:32 pm

          Jay – I have the DVD. But, if you’re interested enough in the Treadwell story then you must read “The Grizzly Maze” by Nick Jans (2005). You won’t be able to put it down. Aside from Treadwell it’s really interesting about grizzly bears and Alaska, too.

        • PRCS says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 10:16 pm

          Remember, too, the bears–which symbolize those who are not really one’s friends for the purpose of this thread–came back for, killed, and partially ate his screaming, terrified girlfriend, too.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:16 pm

        Bears are wild animals. mohammedans are human beings. Animals are not subject to natural law, humans are. I see no analogy here.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:50 pm

          Now, now Mirren10
          My post was not that good to stir up jealousy.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 8:09 pm

          ”My post was not that good to stir up jealousy”

          I’m afraid you flatter yourself.

          My caveat was your silly correlation of grizzly bears to mohammedans. As I pointed out, grizzlies are wild animals, and simply act according to their animal nature. Animals have no concept of the human beliefs of right and wrong, and conscience.

          mohammedans, on the other hand, are human beings, and are therefore subject to the natural law, and consequently have knowledge of right and wrong, and a conscience, should they choose to exercise it.

          Your foolish analogy assumes that mohammedans have none of the above attributes, and simply behave like mohammedans, as grizzlies behave like grizzlies. So, really, why on earth should we condemn mohammedans for behaving according to their nature ? sarc/off

        • Champ says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 2:52 am

          Barbarism is always an option, especially for the lazy.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Yes, the lazy and evil at heart!

      • maria Bowmer says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 11:49 pm

        I saw the movie about the guy in Alaska. He thought he could tame those bears . Very foolish , just like going over to those Muslim countries. I feel bad for the guy , but stay home people .

    • Bettina says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 6:25 pm

      I could’ve done without the sorrow I felt about that amazing bear fanatic, JB. Didn’t need a vid to believe your words… even as a former dedicated liberal.

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:10 pm

        Bettina
        It has to be said.
        The analogy that I attempt to illustrate with the Grizzly Man documentary is that just because someone wishes for a grizzly bear to follow a wishful imaginary script that does not mean that the bear will change its nature.
        It is much the same with some Westerners who try mold all Muslims into a PC image of their ideal coexist Muslim.

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:34 pm

          IOW – leopards don’t change their spots.

    • Frans Groenendijk says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 7:16 pm

      Yesterday I found this quote on Twitter:
      “Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will turn vegetarian.”
      I think it’s brilliant.

      • MIke says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 8:17 pm

        Not unlike “An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile in hopes that he eats him last”

        • Frans Groenendijk says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 4:54 am

          I knew that one-liner for some time (WSC used it, not sure if he came up with it) but I think this one is better. Much better. It emphasizes on the ‘insight’ that the behavior of the tiger is changed fundamentally by giving in to its inclinations.

  4. Tradewinds says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    “If their son had been taken hostage by Nazis in 1942 would they be appearing at German-American Bund events wearing Nazi regalia?” – Spencer

    Good one.

    “The group said they would appreciate if woman wore headscarves but it was not required. …” – from article

    It’s just unbelievable. American parents have to kowtow to barbarians to try and get their son back. Islam should have been demolished on September 12, 2001.

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      ” Islam should have been demolished on September 12, 2001.”

      You can’t demolish something that is kept alive socioculturally and sociopolitically (not to mention psychologically) by over a billion people (i.e., Muslims) spread out in a diaspora in over 80 countries around the world (including millions inside the West).

      • Tradewinds says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 4:28 pm

        Much more should have been done than Pres Bush calling Islam a “religion of peace,” the worst blunder in presidential history.

        • Wellington says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 5:43 pm

          Bush’s statement was a blunder all right, but I would put Obama’s June 2009 speech in Cairo above what Bush ever said about Islam as a greater blunder in Presidential history. I’d also have to rank James Buchanan’s State of the Union Address in December of 1860 pretty close to the top too in this infamous category, an address wherein Buchanan asserted that states had no right to secede from the Union but the federal government had no right to use force to prevent such an occurrence.

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 6:52 pm

          Yes, Hussein’s ’09 Cairo speech calling Islam “tolerant” and other such lies I can’t recall right now is a disgrace. I’m not familiar with Buchanan’s.

        • Bettina says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 6:59 pm

          Yep, the worst blunder in presidential history, quickly followed by even worse blunders and lies by our not-so-dear Obozo:
          “We must NOT attack the Prophet of Islam,” and more cowardly submissive lying words…

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:14 pm

          Jimmy Carter and Barrack Obama both kiss Islam’s butt the best.
          Both get Nobel Peace Prizes.

          Hmmm

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 1:48 am

          Yes, leave it to Obama to see Bush’s PC MC and raise him, betting the full house on the viability of the Good Muslims.

      • WCM says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:01 pm

        Your use of the term “diaspora” is incorrect. It refers to the Jews’ removal and dispersion from Israel or, the dispersion of any people from their original homeland. Of the billion + Muslims, there are relatively few living in the “homeland” of Saudi Arabia.
        Respectfully.

        • WCM says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:29 pm

          An afterthought: The Muslims in Saudi Arabia (a few, historically back in the 6th century, anyway) are the only Muslims who are not busily dispersing others from their homelands.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 2:41 am

          Actually, the third definition for diaspora in the American Heritage dictionary (an unremarkably ordinary mainstream English dictionary) is:

          “A dispersion of an originally homogenous people.”

          And once we factor in that “dispersion” need not exclude military supremacist expansionism, we’re set.

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:20 pm

        Oh yes you can.

        We’ve been playing kissy-face with these dregs SINCE 9/11. Lose the: civilian concerns; the ‘respect for Islam’ and try the ‘Bomb Dresden’ approach.

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:37 pm

          “try the ‘Bomb Dresden’ approach”

          The approach Bush should have taken on September 12, 2001. Instead, he just made us look like weaklings.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 1:58 am

          You can’t bomb millions of Muslims inside the West — unless you don’t mind bombing large portions of the West (let alone creating mayhem and civil unrest). Or, I suppose another way out of this is to assume that the millions of Muslims inside the West are not our enemy (and so the stalwart no-nonsense Counter-Jihadist turns out to be minimizing the problem). Then again, as I said, there’s the problem of the sheer magnitude of the bombees — again, over a billion, dispersed in 80 countries. Dresden and Tokyo worked because the enemy was astronomically more concentrated than the enemy we face today.

        • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 12:55 pm

          You’re quite right; I was speaking of Muslims outside the USA.

          As for here in the USA: Mosques should be routinely under surveillance, madrassas outlawed, and Islam bereft of its tax exempt status as a ‘religion’. It is not one. It’s a political ideology.

          That’s just for starters.

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 8:12 am

          No, we don’t bomb inside the West. Outside – in the Islamic countries.

          Inside the West they should all be deported. You don’t let in Muslims and their Jihad ideology. To do so is sheer insanity.

      • Salah says

        Oct 13, 2014 at 1:49 am

        @voegelinian

        “You can’t demolish something that is kept alive socioculturally and sociopolitically (not to mention psychologically) by over a billion people (i.e., Muslims) spread out in a diaspora in over 80 countries around the world (including millions inside the West).”

        Yes, you can. What’s stopping us? Political Correctness.
        I dare any MSM play a video about the “true” Muhammad. If they do, if all, or at least most of them do, ISLAM IS DEAD within a few years.

        “The Perfect Man of Islam” (Banned from YouTube more than 600 times…and counting).

        http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 3:01 am

          Well, Salah manages to make the “demolish Islam” relatively easy because 1) interpret the problem of Islam as primarily the agency of Muslims putting Islam into practice, and 2) he refuses to take a dim pessimistic view of the capacity for Muslims to free themselves from the psychocultural slavery/demonic possession of Islam — instead substituting a rosy Pollyannish optimism about a generalized dissipation of Islam from within, à la the Iron Curtain Collapse of the 1980s (which, needless to say, would make our “demolishing” of Islam enormously easier).

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 3:03 am

          CORRECTION (I left out one phrase which is crucial, which I put in bold):

          Well, Salah manages to make the “demolish Islam” relatively easy because 1) he refuses to interpret the problem of Islam as primarily the agency of Muslims putting Islam into practice, and 2) he refuses to take a dim pessimistic view of the capacity for Muslims to free themselves from the psychocultural slavery/demonic possession of Islam — instead substituting a rosy Pollyannish optimism about a generalized dissipation of Islam from within, à la the Iron Curtain Collapse of the 1980s (which, needless to say, would make our “demolishing” of Islam enormously easier).

    • Bettina says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 6:53 pm

      Oh, these idiots are just afraid that our Western women will contaminate their own women-slaves by bearing their heads.
      This is why we’re forced to cover up in Arabia — freedom is just too catchy!

  5. somehistory says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    I feel bad for anyone who sees their child facing death. The fear and grief when confronted with threat of death…from wherever the death may come, be it illness, or other means…can overwhelm even the strongest individual.
    But, bowing to the beast and praying to the beast is not the way to life or rescue for their son. The beast is never satisfied and will not, cannot, answer prayer. The devil doesn’t answer prayer; he just uses (to make life harsh and heartbreaking for others) and abuses (keeping them in bondage and leading them to commit atrocities) any human he can.
    This couple may well come to regret their actions in joining with the “brothers” of those who are holding their son and threatening him.

    • Bettina says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 7:04 pm

      I disagree, my friend — they cannot regret that they’ve made every conceivable effort in his cause, including lip service to the original monster and his god invention.

  6. jewdog says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    At least Daniel Pearl died like a man and didn’t grovel. These scenes are pathetic and shameful.

    • Cicero says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      Yes. Let us remember Daniel Pearl who showed what it was to face the world moments before being grotesquely beheaded. Having been led to his sure death by a privately educated Muslim Briton

      He died proud and dignified – proud to say “I AM A Jew” .
      Let us be proud to say , we are NON – Muslim!

    • Boston Tea Party says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 5:19 pm

      And don’t forget Fabrizio Quattrocchi:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrizio_Quattrocchi

      There are still some men in the West.

    • Bettina says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 7:08 pm

      Hey, Bro — are you referring to the panicked parents or to their son? I never saw any clip of the young Kassic groveling on the media — perhaps I missed something.

      • jewdog says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:23 pm

        No, he converted. Maybe he’ll die a proud Muslim.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 14, 2014 at 9:50 pm

        No—he went whole hog (pun intended) and converted to Islam.

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      Totally agree, jewdog.

      Whatever happened to admiration of courage and dignity ? I feel great pity for these parents, but contempt as well. This is all part and parcel of the 21st century disease; the ridiculous and contemptible belief that grovelling in front of evil will somehow appease it, and it will pass us by.

      How much more admirable, and inspirational, if they refused to grovel, and spat in the face of their son’s kidnappers !

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:38 pm

        And the Islamic Society of North America must be secretly laughing their socks off.

        • Jen says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 9:33 pm

          And it is relevant! 🙂 Just read what I wrote carefully. There’s no need to characterize these people as lacking any of the qualities that you mentioned.

      • Jen says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:58 pm

        With respect, Mirren10- have you have ever had any of your own family members being held hostage by Muslims before? I have. Do you think this devastated family gives a damn what others think is ‘inspirational’ in the eyes of others? I made a comment about this earlier on another if you scroll down. Let’s not be nasty buggers and judge these people too much- no use talking about this from ‘rational’ perspectives and implying that they ‘too’ should be more rational- they are in a mad situation. The mother is probably going home from this ‘prayer service’ and ripping that stupid hijab off her head and crying her eyes out. I can imagine there is a lot of anger behind the scenes which they are too afraid to show.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 8:40 pm

          ” … have you have ever had any of your own family members being held hostage by Muslims before?”

          No, Thank God, I haven’t, and if you have, my sincere sympathies.

          However, I don’t think this is relevant to what I said. Of course I feel great sympathy and pity for this mother and father, but what they are doing has absolutely no chance of saving their son’s life, and merely fuels the arrogance and evil of his captors.

          I come from a military family, ( grandparents and great grandparents) and my husband is a retired Parachute Regiment officer, so my perspective is probably coloured by those attitudes; to grovel in front of the enemy is anathema to how I was brought up, and of course the Paras are not the stuff of grovelers !

          I’m sorry if you consider my post to be heartless; I see it as realistic.

          Is there any particular reason you have taken issue with *my* post, rather than those of other posters who have expressed similar views ?

        • Jen says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 9:18 pm

          It wasn’t just your post, it was addressed to all the previous comments that said similar things as well. I read those other comments after I read your post because I scrolled backwards up the thread of comments. Saying you feel contempt for the family bothered me. Why should anyone?

          Theirs in an individual story. It matters not a bit to how savage these people will be in future. They were already arrogant and there’s no lows these people won’t bring themselves to.
          My family were also in the military- father, both grandfathers, uncles. In a direct combat situation, I would behave differently than in a hostage situation, providing we both had weapons. In a hostage situation, they’ve got nothing to defend themselves with. All they’ve got at their disposal is to pretend that they give a damn about this ghastly religion and hope it makes a difference. I’d do the same for anyone who needed it and I wouldn’t give a hoot for anyone who thought I lacked dignity. Their responsibility is foremost to their own son and not the rest of the country, whatever opinions they may hold. I hope the family don’t worry at all about anything that anyone might say about them.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 9:28 pm

          ”Saying you feel contempt for the family bothered me. Why should anyone ?”

          You’re quite right; contempt was the wrong word.

          But I’m afraid we’ll have to agree to disagree, on this.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 2:31 am

          Every time there’s a story on JW of some family of a potential beheading victim, this subtopic comes up, with one side critiquing the groveling family, the other side chastising the one side for its supposed heartlessness. Both sides seem to be tending to limit the discussion to the micro personal level; but the problem we face from Islam and its Mohammedan minions is a macro problem. And in this context, the problem is not so much individual parents groveling to the Sultan du Jour appealing to his Oriental mercy to spare their child’s life, but rather whether those parents and their child on the chopping block are Politically Correct Multi-Culturalists and have been, in various ways throughout their lives (including, for example, in the son’s sociopolitical activism) promoting Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism. If they are and have been, then we have the right to express our disdain and point out the searingly bitter irony of the fact that the very same disease they have been believing and promoting all their lives has so horrifically bit them on the ass.

  7. indianapolis resident says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    This article is a tough one for me. I’ve read four of Mr Spencer’s books and countless articles on this website. 99% of the time I am in agreement with Mr Spencer. This article is the first one that involves someone I know personally. Ed Kassig is a highly respected teacher at a local high school. His father also taught for many years at the same school. I’ve only met him a few times but he came across to me as a man of integrity and decency.
    I cannot criticize the Kassigs for doing any and everything possible to save their son. Also one could argue that it would be un-Islamic for ISIS to kill Peter Kassig because he has converted to Islam. Doesn’t the Koran condemn Muslims who kill other Muslims?

    • Cicero says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 4:47 pm

      Well he may be a thoroughly decent man with integrity as you say. You who knows him personally. Yet I say that in spite of that he has not used his intellect to establish the true nature of the death cult to which his hostage son has converted . Had he ascertained they facts about Islam he would be exhorting his son to denounce his Islamic conversion and to die. With courage and conviction.
      Anyhow being an Islamic convert did not save Alan Hemming,s head.

      • Bettina says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:15 pm

        Sure you’re right, Cicero (sarc/off).
        And since when does mere intellect win over pain for one’s only child, pain so excruciating that one can only feel flayed alive?
        Ed and Paula Kassic no doubt read that filthy rag, Koran, and other scriptures from hell to do all they can to save him.
        Who are you to preach that parents toss their child into the flames?

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:30 pm

          Bettina
          Some commenters talk a good game about what (they) would do if they or their family were ever in such a predicament. One commenter even bragged about what he would do even if a pair of pliers were used on his private parts in a recent thread.
          It is mostly just a lot of talk.

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 7:40 pm

          “that filthy rag, Koran”

          I like the way you put that, Bettina!

        • Cicero says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 2:45 am

          Thank you for your sarcastic riposte.
          Grovelling to the enemy will not win one any favours as so many commenters on this thread has said.
          The problem is that individual responses in the face of losing one ,s only child simply widens the breachthrough which the enemy is pouring in.
          People do not appear to realise that we are at the beginning of A world war. Wearing a hijab and going to the mosque to pray with the Muslims in the faint hope that one,s son might be spared a beheading simply assists. The psychological advance of the enemy into the minds of the assailed. It prepares us for total submission to Allah the compassionate and the merciful….as well as his followers both extreme and moderate.

      • voegelinian says

        Oct 13, 2014 at 3:23 am

        There are many PC MCs who are relatively decent and intelligent people. The point is not whether someone is “decent” and “intelligent” but whether they have the ability to apply that decency and intelligence rationally to this monstrous human rights and international security catastrophe that is Islam. Strangely enough, many relatively decent and intelligent people seem to be curiously unable to do so. It’s not because they are evil and/or stupid people. We are forced to conclude that it’s because of a worldview they hold — a fashion of thought, a fashionable paradigm that has become dominant and mainstream in our culture, by which the anxiety to avoid “racism” and “bigotry” at all costs is erected as a priority above saving lives and standing up for the human rights of countless victims of Islam.

        Such an explanation, however, ought not exempt such relatively decent and intelligent people from our uncompromising opprobrium of their responsibility to wake the fuck up.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2014 at 3:25 am

          That last sentence needs massaging:

          Should be:

          “…from our uncompromising opprobrium of their failure to take responsibility to wake the fuck up.”

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Oct 13, 2014 at 1:48 am

      @indianapolis resident “Also one could argue that it would be un-Islamic for ISIS to kill Peter Kassig because he has converted to Islam. Doesn’t the Koran condemn Muslims who kill other Muslims?”

      Yes it does, with an exception. If the other Muslim(s) are killed in order to somehow benefit Islam, then they can be lawfully killed. Why else do you think Muhammadans bomb others wholesale in Islamic countries, including other Muslims of the same sect?
      Anything that is normally Haram (forbidden) in Islam, becomes Halal (permissible) if it somehow benefits Islam. A Muhammadan can even eat pork 3 times a day and still be a pious Muslim if s/he knows s/he is doing it to benefit Islam!

      Secondly, don’t forget that the status of a Muslim in Islam is nothing better than a slave! Muslims are nothing but slaves of Allah. What value do slaves have? From the jihadis’ perspective, Muslims should be happy that they are getting killed for the benefit of their master (Allah)! Islam and Allah are important, Muslims are not.

      Third, the IS released a statement a few weeks ago where they explained their Islamic reasoning behind murdering hostages. I tried unsuccessfully to find a link to it so I hope someone can find it and post it here. What I did find is what Umdat al-Salik says in this link:

      “When an adult male is taken captive, the caliph considers the interests … (of Islam and the Muslims) and decides between the prisoner’s death, slavery, release without paying anything, or ransoming himself in exchange for money or for a Muslim captive held by the enemy. (Umdat al-Salik o9.14)”

  8. Arsene Lapin says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Very sad. But these poor people are brainwashed by the prevailing propaganda of dhimmitude. Someone needs to stand up and denounce this servile appeasement of criminals who wish only our demise.

  9. nacazo says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    No, no, not, oh the humanity. Don’t they know the injunctions of Mohammed about how the presence of a woman invalidates the prayer!!!

    If you’re going to subject yourself to abject humiliation of copy-catting of your tormentors at least do it right. Have the father with other males strike the poses and have the woman behind a curtain striking their poses….

  10. Wellington says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    I’m torn here. On the one hand, what these parents are doing is deeply pathetic and very much an error, but when I then bothered to reflect what I would do to save my wife’s life, on the other hand I came to the conclusion that I would, short of treason, do most ANYTHING to save the life of my favorite person of all time whom I deepy love. This would include doing what these parents are doing if I truly thought it would make a difference.

    I would ask anyone this hypothetical: Supposing a person you love very much could definitely be saved by your donning Muslim garb and making statements to the effect that Islam is wonderful, etc., wouldn’t you do it? What about if you had a 50% chance your loved one could be saved by doing this? How about a 10% chance? Even a 1% chance? Well, I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this. Responses will be welcomed.

    N.B. I also think there should be taken into consideration that a person doing what these parents are doing could either 1) really be uninfomred enough to think there is a good Islam out there, in other words engaging in stupid sincerity, or 2) know that Islam is full of shit but you’re ready to play this particular game to the hilt (kind of a taqiyya moment turned back on Muslims) in order to save a loved one.

    • Bettina says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 7:20 pm

      Dear Wellington — Please refer to my own responses above your post to see my defense of these tortured parents.

      • Wellington says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 8:32 pm

        Yes, Bettina, your 7:15 P.M. post above is infused with the proper ire. Thank you for it.

    • Jen says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 7:21 pm

      I think the parents probably don’t know what else they can do that won’t further aggravate the monsters. If they don’t beg for mercy, then they’ll feel extremely guilty when their son’s head gets cut off and feel that they didn’t do absolutely everything within their power (however hopeless). These people are just hopelessly desperate. I’m sure they realise it’s pointless but they’re hoping for a miracle. The grief is close to home for these people, so in spite of how it may look to the rest of the world and how it virtually symbolises the West’s dhimmi status to these sub-animals, all those concerns are probably low on the list of their worries when it’s own son’s head of the chopping block.

      Me personally? I would do anything possible to save someone I knew. Others may view it as traitorous but they themselves wouldn’t be in my position so their vantage point at which their judging from, would be irrelevant to me. It’s easy to view their behaviour as clueless but how many would do the same thing if it was their own family on the line, in spite of saying they wouldn’t? Miracles have happened with Muslims holding hostages before. My uncle escaped as a hostage with his wife. It happens. They’re hoping for that slim possibility so I won’t judge them. They’re the ones who will devastated for the remainder of their lives when their son gets murdered, not me.

      • Jen says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 7:23 pm

        *they’re!

      • Wellington says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 8:37 pm

        I’m on the same page with you, Jen. I would add only two comments: 1) I hope these parents actually realize how awful Islam is (though I don’t think they do); and 2) damn Islam, the most despicable religion ever invented by man.

        • Jen says

          Oct 12, 2014 at 9:27 pm

          I wonder if the family members of the previous beheading victims could be used as a tool to inform the public about Islam. Since they’re already victims, it wouldn’t be too hard to convince them that Islam is an evil religion. They might not have read the Qur’an yet, but after doing so, they would come to this conclusion.
          I wish they would start a campaign by making videos on the internet. It should be framed in such a way that it helps to dispel misunderstandings or ignorance about Islam. Videos like that might go viral at this point because people are already searching for information about ISIS.

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 13, 2014 at 3:53 am

      As I said back in August when another case like this had come up (and these cases are becoming drearily, monstrously commonplace)– with the mother of Steven Sotloff ( “Hostage’s mother appeals to caliph, lectures him on Islam” ):

      There’s really no way of knowing whether she is [PC MC] or not, just from that video — but at least one can reasonably say that one cannot say definitively that she is PC MC-blinkered about Islam.

      However, the more important point for our society is that such pleas don’t do our war of ideas any good, and likely harm it. As William F. Buckley said when Phil Donahue in (in about 1980) asked him about the Iran hostage crisis:

      “Mr. Buckley, if your own daughter were among the hostages, would you advocate measures for saving the hostages that dangerously risked her life?”

      And Buckley impeccably answered:

      “No; I would probably do everything in my power to try to save her. But I would be wrong.”

  11. RCCA says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    I seriously question the parent’s wisdom in attempting to save their child by continually appealing to a psychopath, Abu-Bakh al-Baghdadi, the self-proclaimed caliph of the Islamic State. A psychopath is highly intelligent, charismatic, lacking in empathy and “characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts.” If anything they may be pissing him off by drawing attention to his lack of mercy and thus exposing their child to even worse torture and abuse.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychopath
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
    http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

    • Bettina says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      RCCA, I’ve read books about sociopathy, and the attributes you mention — intelligence, charisma, absence of empathy and remorse — all point to this scum baghdadi as a virulent, narcissistic sociopath, whose very lucidity makes him 1,000 times more dangerous than psychopaths, unless they are homicidal.

  12. cassandra says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Where on earth did these people get the idea to dress up and do this? Was this organised by the vicious and spiteful muslims at the local mosque to humiliate the parents and particularly the lying “Edgar” Supira?

    • PRCS says

      Oct 12, 2014 at 10:47 pm

      “Where on earth did these people get the idea to dress up and do this?”

      From the article:

      “The Islam society welcomed everyone and asked guests to dress conservatively. The group said they would appreciate if woman wore headscarves but it was not required. …”

      That’s the Islamic Society of North America; an organization with about as much concern for “filthy unbelievers” as CAIR.

      Any bets that ISNA made that request with the intention of making the grieving, fearful parents “feel themselves subdued”?

      • PRCS says

        Oct 12, 2014 at 10:51 pm

        Any bets that ISNA didn’t make that request with the intention of making the grieving, fearful parents “feel themselves subdued”?

        As Cassandra suggested.

  13. Islamisdeath says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    I’m sorry but I just find this depraved.

  14. CogitoErgoSum says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    If the hostage takers do not respect the son’s conversion to Islam, why should they respect the parents’ pleas at a non-denominational prayer service, even if the parents are dressed as Muslims? By the way, isn’t there some sort of prohibition in Islam against non-Muslims dressing as Muslims … and also regarding men and women praying together? I would think that such infractions would serve to make fundamentalist Muslims even angrier. Really, is anyone in a position of authority actually taking the time to understand the beliefs of these fanatical Muslims … and counseling these unfortunate parents? Even if they are attempting appeasement, this does not seem to be the way to appease hardcore, fanatical Muslims. And if the son actually converted to Islam, why should he need the help of anyone to flee something he has accepted??? IF he is willing to learn Islam his captors should be more than willing to teach him and guide him along the “right” path. Allah should be pleased ……… unless the son is pretending, which is what this prayer service seems to support …. which could lead to his captors thinking the same thing ……. which could lead to his execution. This story leaves me baffled on several different levels ….. unless I look at it as an attempt to deflect the world’s attention away from a closer scrutiny of fundamental Islam.

  15. Kathy Brown, Esq. says

    Oct 12, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Jen, I’m with you. Mirren, I have to disagree. But may I say at the outset that one of the [many] pleasures of being on this site is the politeness we show, when we do disagree? Mirren: I’ve had the enjoyment of reading your erudite posts long enough to know you didn’t mean ‘contempt’!

    And it’s like your honesty to say so.

    I too would ‘do anything’ to save one I loved. I don’t care about ‘groveling’, begging, whatever.

    I too am from a military family. All the male members of my family-gone now-were in WWII.

    I would grovel, beg, have sex with, do ANYTHING to save one I love. And I wouldn’t be ashamed to do so, either. I’d be holding my fire ’til they were safe and then, trust me, all that would cease…

    Now the Church teaches that it is wrong to do evil so that good may result. The sexual thing enters here: I doubt I’d be of great attraction to such monsters, but whatever. I would trust Almighty God to forgive me for that, and I know He would.

    I know we are not to prefer anything to God and His laws, He Who so loved us. But sorry-no use lying! I WOULD do anything. So my heart breaks, and breaks again and again, for these parents trying to save their son. And I’m praying so hard-as I know all here are-for his life to be spared.

  16. North Dakota Oil says

    Oct 13, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Let’s remember who the wrong-doers are in this story. Whether the Kassigs are right to attend an Islamic prayer service in desperation, or not, they are the victims. Our focus belongs more properly on the actions of the Islamic State and the barbarity of Quranic law. Hopefully their son will be spared, but I think we all know it is most unlikely.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 14, 2014 at 10:03 pm

      *Very* true. The despicable Muslims are the ones who are both threatening their son’s life and exploiting their desperation.

  17. Champ says

    Oct 13, 2014 at 1:05 am

    And on top of it all, they’re praying to a false god: allah …effectual prayer can only be achieved through Jesus Christ our LORD!

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 13, 2014 at 1:24 am

      The Islam society welcomed everyone and asked guests to dress conservatively. The group said they would appreciate if woman wore headscarves but it was not required. …
      I suspect that the visitors including the family of the hostage saw this as an ‘interfaith’ gathering to show the support by ‘moderate’ Muslims for the family.
      HEADSCARF & HANDS
      These Muslims clearly knew that if the mother of the hostage did not wear a head covering she would stand out and they exploited their advantage shamelessly as Muslims are prone to do in the shadows of Islam.
      Muslims across the US will drool like deranged jackals with Mohammadan delight at the sight of this photo.

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      Oct 13, 2014 at 1:53 am

      No Champ: They’re not ‘praying’ to a false god, allah! They’re pretending to do so to appease their son’s potential murderers!

      C’mon-get it straight.

      • Champ says

        Oct 13, 2014 at 2:47 am

        Indeed, the *appeasement show* must go on! …jolly good 🙂

  18. Dave J says

    Oct 13, 2014 at 1:44 am

    It has already been demonstrated that a last minute forced conversion to Islam won’t save the hostage, so why bother? It just reinforces the groveling submission meme that Muslims love, as the “better people”.

    I have great sympathy for the parents but they (and we) would be better off just denouncing the beheaders as the vicious animals that they are, rather than take the PC/MC appeasement approach. Or do they really think this is a “religion of peace”? I doubt it, at this point.

  19. Wolfenberry says

    Oct 13, 2014 at 8:37 am

    I grew up in Spain, and this reminds me of a story I learned as a kid, about the Spanish Civil War. At one point, the Communists were besieging a fortress, which would not surrender. The Communists finally kidnapped the commander’s son, and telephoned the commander, putting the son on the phone, to tell the commander that if he doesn’t surrender the fortress, they will kill the son. The commander’s response was “Die well, my son.”
    I don’t have a son, but I would certainly expect my father to react in exactly the same way, if I were kidnapped by these animals, and I would do the same. It is much, much better to die, and die well, than give one single inch to these beasts, or to be seen actually participating in a Muslim religious ritual. Makes me sick to see it.

    • Wolfgang says

      Oct 14, 2014 at 4:04 am

      I am going to weigh in and say it appears very clear that the females on here think in terms of “doing anything to save their children “, I think that is not wise and that is very false selfish thinking if those people on here are biblical believers, firstly let me say, my mother is a strong believer , as is my wife, my two sons, my wifes whole family, my mother did missionary work in Asia, my wife did missionary work smuggling bibles into the old communist countries of the Soviet empire when if you were caught you were tortured or put to death slowly, if you were lucky.

      I myself have been involved in missionary work in places of oppression , my two sons have both said that they have made the choice to go where God ask’s them and to follow his will for the sake of Jesus Christ, I too have made the choice, even if that following of Gods will leads me to a death I would rather not have, see , if I follow Jesus Christ, I follow him no matter what, it does NOT mean I have a death wish or do not love my son’s or my wife, Jesus said very very emphatically that to follow him means to sacrifice all to serve him, but serve him willingly and with love, if I believe he paid the ultimate price for my life , then the least I can do is do the small task of following him in this earthly life.

      To me the Kassigs are doing some wrong, misguided, foolish things.

      1. They are trusting in a God who cannot save them, their son or anyone else

      2. The Demon God Allah has no power but that which has been given him

      3. Only the God of the bible cans save their son, by accepting Jesus Christ, he saves himself regardless if he lives or dies by way of going to heaven.

      They deserve empathy and sympathy , I empathize, but its truly the wrong track which will end in death .

      final note, both my son’s have said that they are prepared to give their life for Jesus ,as a father I am proud in Christian perspective they have made their choice. I made my choice the same

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        Oct 14, 2014 at 10:43 pm

        Yes: you CORRECTLY note that it’s largely a ‘female’ thing on this subject Sir. And I for one am delighted to see that we ladies remain DIFFERENT from the men. Despite the best efforts of the feminazis to neuter us all…

        Of COURSE we women ‘feel’ we’d do ANYTHING to save one we love! And ‘feel’ is the operative word. Almighty God in His infinite wisdom has made male and female, and He made us different. Complementary to each other; but different.

        We’ve got progesterone and estrogen coursing through our bodies 24/7. Men have testosterone and aldosterone. What anyone here debating this issue has to understand is, where women are concerned, this has nothing to do with ‘logic’, ‘rationality’, etc. It has to do with motherhood. With ‘feeling’.

        Females in the wild who are nursing mothers? NO MALE OF THE SPECIES will fool with them. Despite the fact that the males outweigh and outsize the females across the board? THE MOMS ARE FULL OUT BATSHIT CRAZY. They will NEVER QUIT. Google any ‘animal mother’ link and you’ll see the truth of this in living color. That’s why you’ll see wild moms tear apart other animals 10x their size. Or die trying.

        Now I say this being fully convinced that women are the equal of men; I myself function quite nicely in my [traditionally male] profession, law, thank you very much. But I’m still not a man, I’m a woman.

        So please: Those of you criticizing this poor family, just agree to disagree, as Mirren said. And if there are any Lib trolls here, for once you get to hear the truth about ‘he and she’. Enjoy it! You sure won’t see it on the psycho lunatic lib sites where unnatural ‘womyn’ who look like men spout garbage about how marriage and motherhood is ‘enslavement’ and abortion is the only aspect of child bearing they endorse. God help and convert them!

        And in the meantime, take the madhouse dementia somewhere else.

  20. ConnectingDots says

    Oct 13, 2014 at 11:01 am

    President Obama told us repeatedly that Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam.

    So, it makes no sense from his perspective for these non-Islamic parents to attend an Islamic prayer service, does it?

  21. R Cole says

    Oct 13, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Think about this picture in reverse!

    Imagine a Muslim’s family member captured by Christians – and then in the effort to free their loved one – they publicly pray the Christian prayer – clasping hands towards the cross on an altar.

    What are we witnessing!

    It is not enough that this man converted to Islam while in captivity — in the name of Islam there seems a level of shamelessness that knows no bounds. It matters little whether people come to the faith by force/under duress/or the sword – Muslims only see their numbers increasing.

    We can talk openness and ‘understanding’ all day – but we would never see this image in reverse.

  22. gravenimage says

    Oct 14, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    Parents of Islamic State hostage attend Islamic prayer service after begging jihadists to release their son
    …………………………………

    Like Robert Spencer, I feel for Ed and Paula Kassig. But pious Muslims will only interpret this as weakness—they are unlikely to show their son mercy because they are being such good dhimmis.

    More:

    Mr Hopida said: ‘He’s one of our own. He’s a Hoosier. He’s also our brother in Islam, and so we want to support the family.
    …………………………………

    *Appalling*. “Abdul-Rahman” Kassig is only a “brother in Islam” out of terror or Stockholm Syndrome.

    And would the want to support the family if he *hadn’t* converted? Probably not…

    By the way, the victim’s name was *Peter* Kassig before his kidnapping.

    And note that Hopida does not mention that the kidnappers threatening Kassig with beheading are his “brothers in Islam”, as well…

    And Edgar Hopida is the Communications Director for ISNA—which has links to Hamas.

    Here’s a glimpse of his “nuanced” view of Jihad terrorism:

    http://www.amazon.com/review/R1BFKT59XO78GM

    And here the lying sack of sh*t claims that suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or even “Jihadism”, but instead due to Western “occupation”:

    http://www.amazon.com/review/RQLQQ7FT0JIJL

    So the Kassig family has hooked up with a vile Taqiyya artist taking advantage of their desperation.

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