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Professor at Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome: Islamic State not un-Islamic, “model is Muhammad himself”

Oct 6, 2014 3:52 pm By Nicolai Sennels

Rhonheimer(Martin Rhonheimer, a brave Christian. More of them, please!)

Translation via 10news. For more translation, newsletter and support: 10news.dk.

Where is the border between Islam and Islamism? The media says that the two are different as night and day; Islam is a religion of peace, and the Islamists have stolen the name. Others believe that Islamism represents the traditional, pure Islam, true to the Koran.

This latter view is advanced, remarkably enough, by a theologian Martin Rhonheimer from a university endorsed by the Pope. He is a professor at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome and wrote an essay on this particular distinction in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

You do not hear many official Muslim voices condemning Islamic State, says Rhonheimer. And when it finally happens, it is usually only to condemn the bestiality because it harms Islam’s reputation. The Islamic State is no heresy, but “a recurring pattern in the history of violent expansion. The model is Muhammad himself.”

“Islamic State’s legitimation finds its basis in the Koran and Islamic law, the Sharia,” believes the Catholic professor. He states: “You will find no arguments within Muslim theology that can be used to condemn Islamic State’s behavior as un-Islamic.”…

Martin Rhonheimer then goes through the suras in the Quran that prescribe what should happen to the conquered Christians and Jews, and points out that the Islamic State strictly adheres to these regulations. Islam would like to influence the state and society in details, emphasizes Rhonheimer.

“Islam is more than a religion. It is cult with political and social rules and unites religion and and political and social order in one. And it has always been violent,” he says.[…]

Moderate Islam has its advocates, often professors at Western universities.

“But they are confronted with Islam’s central problem: when they return to Islam’s origin, they come across the warlike, expansionist Islam from Medina, the legitimacy of killing for Allah’s honor and a violent Muhammad,” writes Rhonheimer.

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  1. mortimer says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Not only Martin Rhonheimer, but Fr. Henri Boulad of Cairo states that ISLAMISM AND ISLAM ARE ONE:

    “Islamism is not a caricature, nor a counterfeit, nor a heresy, nor a fringe or atypical phenomenon versus classical, orthodox, Sunnite Islam.

    To the contrary, I think Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.
    Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.

    But what is Islamism?

    Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.

    Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.” – Fr. Henri Boulad SJ

    • David Hayden says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 5:03 pm

      I would appreciate knowing the written source of the quote by Fr. Henri Bouland, SJ. His comments, along with similar analyses by Rev. James V. Schall and Rev. Martin Rhonheimer, suggests hope in opening many eyes (and minds!) to the idea that jihad, military conquest and supremacism are at the core of Islam.

      • mortimer says

        Oct 6, 2014 at 7:41 pm

        Source (Henri Boulad)

        Islam et/ou Islamisme ? – Publié le 13 juillet 2013; Revue “Choisir”, Genève, 1997. Par le R.P. Henri BOULAD, jésuite égyptien, directeur de Caritas, conférencier spécialiste de l’islam

    • TH says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      Here is a link from another Jesuit scholar of Georgetown Fr. James Schall, who also states what the nature of Islam is. http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/time-take-islamic-state-seriously#.VCGKgiLyX6Q.gmail
      In the same publication there are other articles by another writer. William Kirkpatrick who also has a clear idea of the nature of Islam.

      Pope Francis doesn’t seem to get it yet, nor does the head of the Vatican Diplomacy Cardinal Parolin who stated that ISIS would be defeated not by military means but by diplomacy. One wonders what planet he lives on or if he knows anything about the nature of Islam and how in 1683 the Turks, if they had not been surprisingly defeated at the gates of Vienna by the heroic polish army and it king Jan Sobieski, had plans of conquering Rome and converting St. Peters in to a mosque, just as they did with the Church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople.

      • rupert says

        Oct 9, 2014 at 5:13 am

        and like what the Christians did in converting the Cordoba mosque to a cathedral

    • Man on the street says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      I have been an expert on Islam for more than fifty years now. After 9/11, and after regular Americans learned about Islam, and Jihad, I coined my own definition: A GOOD MUSLIM IS A BAD MUSLIM. In that simple statement, a Muslim who follow Islam 100% (ie good Muslim) will by definition be a XENOPHOBE, and violent person, as the the Salafi (Salafi means in the past in Arabic) practice Islam like the days of Mohammad.

  2. mortimer says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    The same view from another Jesuit …

    Rev. James V. Schall, S.J., retired professor of political philosophy at Georgetown, last month in Crisis magazine:

    “The Islamic State and the broader jihadist movements throughout the world that agree with it are, I think, correct in their basic understanding of Islam. Plenty of evidence is found, both in the long history of early Muslim military expansion and in its theoretical interpretation of the Qur’an itself, to conclude that the Islamic State and its sympathizers have it basically right. The purpose of Islam, with the often violent means it can and does use to accomplish it, is to extend its rule, in the name of Allah, to all the world. The world cannot be at “peace” until it is all Muslim. The “terror” we see does not primarily arise from modern totalitarian theories, nationalism, or from anywhere else but what is considered, on objective evidence, to be a faithful reading of a mission assigned by Allah to the Islamic world, which has been itself largely procrastinating about fulfilling its assigned mission….
    Other understandings of Islam’s record, though not its mission, within Islam may be also plausible, but no more so than this jihadist interpretation. It may be possible for some to read Islam as a religion of “peace.” But its “peace,” in its own terms, means the peace of Allah within its boundaries. With the rest of the outside world, it is at war in order to accomplish a religious purpose, namely, to have all submitted to Allah in the passive way that the Qur’an specifies.
    All existing Islamic states are some sort of compromise between the true Islamic mission and forces, usually military forces that limit this world-wide unification. Almost all standing Muslim governments recognize the danger to themselves of a successful Caliphate. They all have some form of jihadist presence within their boundaries that seek to control it in the name of their very survival. There are or were Christian and other minorities within these states that are, to a greater or lesser extent, tolerated. But they are all, as non-Muslims, treated as second-class citizens. The Islamic movement renews that purist side of Islam that insists in eradicating or expelling non-Muslim presences in Muslim lands.” – Fr. James V. Schall, S.J

    • mariam rove says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      Thank you for posting these. They are great. M

    • Larry Jones says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 4:51 pm

      We would do well to heed these rational voices. These are not the rantings of irrational Islamophobes, ignorant of the ‘religion of peace’ but learned Christian clerics who know that the Q’uran justifies all the actions of the Islamic State. While there may be ‘moderate’ Muslims, Islam itself is not a ‘moderate’ religion. Its primary goal to to make the entire world submit to Allah and his prophet Muhammad. One cannot have Islam without Muhammad and one cannot have Muhammad without jihad. The Q’uran teaches two types of ‘jihad.’ The higher spiritual jihad is overcoming one’s internal enemies such as pride and ego; the lower physical jihad is overcoming one’s external enemies which are defined as those who do not submit to Allah and the teachings of his Prophet, Muhammad (i.e. Islam).
      To the extent there are Muslims who do not support the actions of the jihadists, it is only because they themselves are unfamiliar with their own Q’uranic scriptures or have chosen to ignore them for present expediency (which is permitted). These “moderate” Muslims will continue to live in the West, enjoy what the West has to offer and simply wait until the time when all resistance is greatly weakened through political correctness and then have a ‘religious awakening’ and become jihadists themselves (and not in a spiritual way). That is a legitimate danger we simply must be willing to recognize and expose by telling the truth. If they really are’ out to get you’, paranoia is just good thinking.
      By definition, Muslims are those who adhere to the religion and teachings of Islam which, by definition, is a religion based upon the teachings of Allah as set forth by the Prophet Muhammad in the Q’uran. Read the Q’uran for yourself and you will see that Islamophobia is not a product of hate or bigotry. It is just good thinking.

      • Jacksonl03 says

        Oct 6, 2014 at 8:33 pm

        An excellent analysis very well put. If only those who purport to lead the world would pay attention. I fear we have a long way to go down the hill of destruction, corruption and innocent human suffering before there is serious attention and effort to erase ICIS, et al.

  3. mortimer says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Islam is Godzilla.

    • eib says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      No. Godzilla caused reflection toward peace. Islam, in its presence and practices, requires prolonged, defensive war.

    • pumbar says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 11:07 pm

      Shouldn’t that be allah-zilla?

  4. ECAW says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Very welcome, and he’s not the only one:

    “The Islamic State and the broader jihadist movements throughout the world that agree with it are, I think, correct in their basic understanding of Islam. Plenty of evidence is found, both in the long history of early Muslim military expansion and in its theoretical interpretation of the Qur’an itself, to conclude that the Islamic State and its sympathizers have it basically right.”

    http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/time-take-islamic-state-seriously

    • ECAW says

      Oct 7, 2014 at 6:10 am

      Blimey – they’re popping up everywhere. Does the Pope know what his people are saying?

      Regis Martin is Professor of Theology and Faculty Associate with the Veritas Center for Ethics in Public Life at the Franciscan University of Steubenville.

      “The fact is, Islam remains fundamentally and unmistakably a religion of violence. The murderousness of Muslim theology is not an accidental or episodic affair, such as from time to time overcomes the better angels of their nature. It is entirely intrinsic to the beliefs all Muslims profess.

      How could it be otherwise when its founding document, the Koran, is replete with what can only be described as the poisonous rhetoric of hatred and intolerance?”

      http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/telling-truth-islam

  5. Diane Harvey says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    The Worcester (MA) Telegram is reporting that Bishop McManus has put down his afternoon cocktail and is heading for Boston’s Logan Airport for the next flight to Rome to straighten professor/theologian Martin Rhonheimer out, and to let him know of the joys and wonders of Islamic Interfaith Dialogues.

    You know the types of dialogues that the Yazidi Refugees and the Kurds have fruitfully been having with ISIS.

    • mariam rove says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 4:53 pm

      Don’t worry. He will a few glasses of wine on the plane…..m

    • jihad3tracker says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      Herewith is lobbed a “Thanks muchly”, Diane, for giving me a chuckle — laughs are hard to find these days . . .

      On the serious side : this post by the superb Euro-based Nicolai Sennels and our smart informed family of commenters are actually quite encouraging.

      Now, if only Pope Francis’s daily newsfeed could be steered to such truth . . . Was it always so that the guy at the top is last to know ? Seems so all too often.

      • mortimer says

        Oct 6, 2014 at 10:28 pm

        Every word of the pope can cause deaths of Christians if the jihadists don’t like what he says…Christians from all denominations will be targeted by the jihadists…not just Roman Catholics.

        The pope must have several people help him with any message about Islam. Each word must be weighed carefully. Lives are at stake.

    • pumbar says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 11:10 pm

      Update. Unfortunately the Bishop had forgotten his trousers and in the course of trying to reverse out of the drive wrecked his back axle on a gatepost and knocked next door’s bins over. He is now sleeping it off on a sun lounger in his back garden.

    • sidney penny says

      Oct 7, 2014 at 3:26 am

      joys , wonders and

      positive achievements.

      Robert Spencer now has some competition-Martin Rhonheimer

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/02/worcester-bishop-spencers-talk-about-extreme-militant-islamists-and-the-atrocities-that-they-have-pe

      Worcester bishop: “Spencer’s talk about extreme, militant Islamists…might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims”

  6. Burt says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Very welcome contributions from Jesuits living up to their brave and scholarly forbears. What a pity the most famous Jesuit in the world right now, the Pope, has so far been inappropriately worldly, adopting ‘politically correct’ attitudes in line with secularists, completely undermining the very thing it’s his job to uphold and that is truth.

    • Will says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 10:33 pm

      Think about WHY the Jesuits were created and WHY the Inquisition was created.
      They both had the same genesis: the same cause and it was this “steeling” of the church’s spine which created the conquistadors and in so doing gave the church its supposed “bad name”. Why? Islam: fight Total War or surrender to it as had the Middle East and Nth Africa.

  7. voegelinian says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Finally, slowly but surely, a smattering of individuals here and there are pointing out the Emperor Has No Clothes on. The rate of progress is still maddeningly glacial; let’s just hope the iceberg of denial doesn’t melt too slowly for the Titanic disaster toward which the West is collectively steering like a slow-mo train wreck we canaries of the coalmine can see as plain as the nose on our face (metaphor-mixing galore).

  8. Transmaster says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Found this: A Chrome translation from the German language:
    “New Journal of Zurich” October 6, 2014

    Martin Rhonheimer takes position

    Regarding my article “Killing in the Name of Allah” writes John Rudolf Kilchsperger in a letter to the NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung 11 9 14), the selection of my Koran quotes is arbitrary. “Well-known passages in the Koran that uphold the prohibition against killing, he passes.» The accusation is unfounded and misses the topic of my article, because I do not deny that there is a prohibition on killing within the established order of the Sharia. . Thereupon example relates the often cited Sura 5, 32 It states: If a “killing someone unjustly, is [it] as if he killed all mankind” would. Im just following verse of this sura (5, 33), it means then but: “The reward of those who lead them against Allah and His Messenger war and are considered eagerly in the country to disaster, should be that they be killed or crucified, or that they alternately is (right and left) hand and foot cut off, or that they are expelled from the country. ”

    This applies to everyone, the spread of Islam opposes, by allowing not repent or poll tax not paid. In my article, therefore it is called correctly: “There is in Islam that is not a general prohibition on killing. There is however a general killing License: that the conversion to Islam oppose, should be killed “is contradicted also Sura 17, 33 not the contrary.” And kill nobody, the (killing) God has forbidden, unless you are entitled to it. “This permission is exactly the killing license, of which I speak.

    Willi Bühler, however accuses me lack of knowledge of the history of Islam and Christianity. I can only refer him to my book “Christianity and secular state” (2012), in the hope that he will be thereby be proven wrong. That, as Mr. Buhler claims that the Islamic expansion occurred largely peaceful, historically seems to me such a monstrous assertion that it needs no explicit refutation. As for the Islamic conquest of Syria, it is noted that the local Christians were subjugated as (heretical) Monophysites of Byzantium cruel indeed welcome and they therefore were called the Muslim Arabs as liberators. But that was the exception. Furthermore, for that reason, the spread of a religion can not be called “peaceful” because no blood is shed, as long as the alternative to submission is to say under their order death or expulsion. Jesus of Nazareth on the other hand spoke of separating “sword”, to indicate that his doctrine will apply even people within the same family against each other, not, as Mr. Buehler suggests, to prompt to use it against other faiths.

  9. gravenimage says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Professor at Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome: Islamic State not un-Islamic, “model is Muhammad himself”
    ………………………………….

    God bless Martin Rhonheimer. May there be many more like him.

    More:

    You do not hear many official Muslim voices condemning Islamic State, says Rhonheimer. And when it finally happens, it is usually only to condemn the bestiality because it harms Islam’s reputation.
    ………………………………….

    *Very* important point—the only problem is that it makes “Islam look bad”, and alarms the Infidels, who may actually begin to defend themselves.

    The other most common condemnations of the Islamic State by Muslims are either those of figures like Shi’ite Reza Aslan, who is *only* condemning their targeting of Shia Muslims, or those whose only complaint is about the “Caliph” himself—in other words, that the bloody “Caliphate” would be just fine if only they were running it.

    Of course, all too many credulous Infidels prefer not to look too closely at these criticisms, and instead assume that these are actually Muslims condemning Shari’ah laws and Islamic atrocities…

  10. Prsamurai says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Gee, I wonder what the renowned scholar of Islam, Ben Affleck, has to say about this?

    • Rob Crawford says

      Oct 6, 2014 at 9:46 pm

      “Please don’t kill me, Mr. Muslim!” — Ben Affleck

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 7, 2014 at 2:22 am

      Is “Affleck” essentially the same name as “Aflaq” (recall Michel Aflaq, the Syrian Orthodox dhimmi founder of the Ba’ath party)? Have we here something beyond Hollywood Leftism, into the area of dhimmi reflexes passed on generation to generation?

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Oct 8, 2014 at 3:04 am

        No.

        Look him up in wiki and in the internet movie data base before you jump to all manner of conclusions based on a mere interlinguistic pun between the old Scottish surname (derived from a Gaelic place-name) Affleck , and the entirely-unrelated Arabic Aflaq.

        Ben Affleck’s background is most definitely Scottish, Irish and German (via mother who was partly of Irish partly of German background). Not a skerrick of middle eastern ethnic ancestry *anywhere*. His second name, Geza, was given by his parents in honour of a family friend who was a Shoah survivor.

  11. Leith Wood says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    God bless you, Martin Rhonheimer. You have brightened our day. Please keep speaking out. We need you desperately now. Thank you!

  12. Blitz2b says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    The dhimmified Pope Francis should retire. Any shepherd of Christ who sucks up to Satan and his minions need not lead His Church.
    I say Martin Rhonheimer be elected Pope…

    If the Church is to be the bastion of truth in the world today, why do we have a willfully ignorant leader who speaks untruths about Islam, so as not to offend Muslims the world over, like his brave predecessor Pope Benedict did.

    There should be no room for politically correctness cowardice in the Church.
    Pope Francis should pick up the New Testament once in a while and actually read from it. Veritas vos liberabit (Latin )states ” …..You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free…” John 8:32

    Bravo Martin Rhonheimer ! ! !

    • J. Fitzpatrick says

      Oct 9, 2014 at 12:20 am

      I call it “baby talk,” what we get from the Pope.

      He and the vast majority of bishops in the West, are doing NOTHING to wake people up–about Islam or about the galloping totalitarianism of Western governments.

      On the contrary, the bishops of the U.S. are fully on board with the invasion of the U.S. currently taking place. Children are being paralyzed, and are dying, from what I call the O’Malley-Gomez virus.

  13. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    Others believe that Islamism represents the traditional, pure Islam, true to the Koran.

    In the name of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, are we seeing a person in an official capacity, from the skirts of the Holy See, no less, admitting that he can read?

    He can read. Maybe he read about the time the Moslems ransacked the Vatican. That seems to be a major historical fact that somehow got lost in the shuffle.

  14. David, Thailand says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Looks like the end of his career, in a proud world going proudly madder.

  15. jewdog says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    This guy is only reiterating the same points made by many Muslims, such as Turkey’s Erdogan. His rare distinction is being intellectually clear and honest by analyzing thoroughly before he moralizes.

  16. R Cole says

    Oct 6, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    Priest are good at this – because they can keep it in a religious context – as well as not dispelling the facts.

    In Islam, he said, there is no ‘Thou shall not kill’ concept [as in Christian Judeo] – in that one can take it upon himself [or the law in his own hands] to kill another – for leaving or even offending it.

    Islamic terrorism – features this take it upon yourself to kill in religion’s name – organized

    On one side the Human Rights Declaration can’t be adopted fully by Muslim nations – as it would not give Islam and therefore Muslims preference. On the other – there is the issue in every western nation with Muslim integration [where no other factors can be pointed to – such as race – outside of religion] – now in a minority position – also reject notions of equality. Instead make repeated requests for an authoritative position for their Islam and by extension themselves.

    Islam holds that Islam is humanity. And therefore human rights – should be extended according to it. Conversely on the dark side of this moon – this means reduced rights – if at all [in the case were people are killed] – would have to be extended to all others – not practising.

    No matter how you switch this Rubik’s cube around – it points to Muhammad’s vision of a Global Islamic State or GIS.

    The whole thing is designed to take over and while we focus on the violence – it is only a means to the same end.

  17. RichardL says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 12:42 am

    the article originally appeared in the Neue Züricher Zeitung and made quite a big splash in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. The NZZ is extremely islamophile and they, like all such newspapers, try to “balance” their bias by such contributions.

    Opus Dei is one of the few orders in the Church that does not accept islam as Vatican II says we should.

    Martin Rhonheimer is happy to receive supporting emails and will respond, I am sure.

    • Alana Forsyth says

      Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 am

      What is Martin Rhonheimer’s e-mail address? I would love to write to him.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 7, 2014 at 7:53 am

        e-mail: rhonheimer@pusc.it

        • Alana Forsyth says

          Oct 8, 2014 at 3:11 am

          Thank you, Mirren10.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 8, 2014 at 10:45 pm

      I do hope that our Catholic Mr Spencer has written post-haste to Fr Martin Rhonheimer to express support and encouragement.

      (it must indeed be encouraging to Mr Spencer and to all other practising Catholics here present, to see some among their own leadership beginning to speak up and call a spade a spade, or a scimitar a scimitar).

  18. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 7:50 am

    And therein lies the crux. The use of the word persecution is fair, but it has a the effect of making self-defense a direct possibility. We’re too civilized, they’re too uncivilized, whatever. If I were making book on how the Global Jihad turns out, I’d quietly lay my money on the bad guys.

  19. St. Ferdinand says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Maybe this intelligent man can educate Pope Frankie on the real Islam? When Latino Frankie is not busy washing the feet of all those pious Moslems of course. [and kissing them after….]

  20. Luciano says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 8:17 am

    Finally….a voice within the Catholic hierarchy that speaks the truth instead of the proverbial phrase the rest of the ‘mamby pamby’ leadership uses…’Islam, the religion of peace.
    In reading Islamic history the only condition which renders peace is when Islam has subjugated a territory…dar al islam. In all other circumstances of history Islam is a structure of war….to invade ‘dar al harb’ by jihad. The goal is to establish a word wide caliphate for the ummah where sharia rules supreme.
    Now…I wish we could get our disgusting, politically correct leadership to adopt this reality and utter the words….the enemy of the western world is ‘Islamic Fundamentalism”.

  21. Tony Gibson says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 8:21 am

    It’s about time that someone in the Church stood tall and said what HAS to be said. While the Pope is polling for Mr Popularity, this guy, Martin Rhonheimer is speaking the truth before any other consideration. We were made for this- to speak the truth, and they who cringe from this first of all duties fails himself, his family, his community and He who gave him the breath of life.
    “For this I was born and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Every one who is of the truth hears my voice.” [John 18:37]

  22. espe says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Nine and a half yrs. ago, we went to Granada Spain to visit my niece who was studying there and as we were visiting the sites also settled in for something to drink at a Muslim café. The owner saw that we were tourists but also of Spanish background. He seemed very pleasant and after a while came and sat at our table. He then invited us the next day for tea and we took him up on it.
    Somehow that evening we got into Politics and the only thing I can vividly remember is this statement he made: “We are going to take back Spain!” I said to him, “Spain was never your country, you conquered it for about four hundred years!” His last statement to us was this, (because we immediately left) And we are going to conquer your country! (meaning the United States) I said to him, “oh really?” Just how do you plan on doing that!” He stated to us, “we are already coming in through CANADA & MEXICO.” Mind you, this was nine and a half yrs. ago

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 7, 2014 at 4:45 pm

      Chilling story, espe—and this from a “friendly” Muslim.

      • Alana Forsyth says

        Oct 8, 2014 at 2:57 pm

        Many are friendly, until they bring out the knives.

  23. Inka Hutz says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Finally a post, with thoughtful, insightful and for the most part, polite comments.
    Thank you to all.

  24. Ciccio says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    He has said the one truth that no one ever dares say. Islam is a CULT.
    When our politicians finally realize this, they will find a good number of very useful laws to combat cults damaging the public order.

    • Luciano says

      Oct 7, 2014 at 2:19 pm

      BRAVO!!!!

  25. AnneM says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    BRAVO!

  26. gravenimage says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    More equivocal crap from “Michael”—as though protecting ourselves from Islamic depredations was “persecuting” Muslims. *Ugh*.

  27. GP says

    Oct 7, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Thank God for the truth, it will set you free! Obama should try it at least once.

    Yes, he’s spot on, IS LAM is intolerance, supression, repression, and oppression, personified as abject evil and hatred culminating in murder, rape, pillaging, and genocide. Just like their prophet had done, and “their bible” the Koran not only condones but commands.

  28. fair_dinkum says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 5:10 am

    the catholic church and its scholars have progressed in so many areas in the last 20 years .. now this.

    the truth!

  29. actanonverba says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 8:58 am

    All very fine grumbling about things online – any ideas for *doing* something about it?

  30. Alana Forsyth says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    I wrote to Fr. Rhonheimer and included the two links at which his column can be found in English:

    – http://10news.dk/archive/2014-10-04/article/10-10-catholic-professor-from-popes-university-islamic-state-is-not-heresy-the-model-is-muhammad-himself#panel10a

    – http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/professor-at-pontifical-university-of-the-holy-cross-in-rome-islamic-state-not-un-islamic-model-is-muhammad-himself/comment-page-1#comment-1131087

    He responded, thanking me for the links! Now I have to write him back and tell him my real name, which is not Alana Forsyth.

    I had written:

    Dear Father Rhonheimer:

    I am writing in support of your views stated in the article quoted below that originally appeared at http://10news.dk/archive/2014-10-04/article/10-10-catholic-professor-from-popes-university-islamic-state-is-not-heresy-the-model-is-muhammad-himself#panel10a.

    It is of great concern to many United States Catholics that the Holy Father seems to be unaware of the true nature of Islam. It distresses us every day.

    God bless you in your efforts to bring light on this subject.

    Best regards,

  31. dumbledoresarmy says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    For anyone who can read German, this link (active as of now, October 2014) will take you to the article as originally published.

    http://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/toeten-im-namen-allahs-1.18378020

    The headline = “Killing in the name of Allah”.

    I have just read it, and have made a copy in full; I may well attempt a translation (for my own edification).

  32. dumbledoresarmy says

    Oct 8, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    You know what’s interesting?

    This priest and Geert Wilders used the exact same turn of phrase.

    Geert Wilders, addressing the Dutch parliament on 4th September, said this of the Quran:

    “Madam Speaker, the Koran on the table before you is a handbook for terrorists. Blood drips from its pages. It calls for perpetual war against non-believers. That Koran before you is the hunting permit for millions of Muslims. A license to kill. That book is the Constitution of the Islamic State. What ISIS does is what Allah commands.”

    Note well two sentences in particular: “That Koran before you is the hunting permit for millions of Muslims. A license to kill.”

    Now, here is Professor Martin Rhonheimer, speaking of Islam:

    “Es gibt im Islam nämlich kein generelles Tötungsverbot.

    “Es gibt hingegen eine generelle Tötungslizenz: «Ungläubige», die sich der Konversion zum Islam widersetzen, sollen getötet werden. ”

    “There is, namely, in Islam, no general ban upon killing.

    “There is, instead, a general license to kill: “Unbelievers”, those who resist conversion to Islam, ought to be killed.” (Rhonheimer then quotes Surah 9:5, the verse of the sword).

    Wilders – “a license to kill”.

    Rhonheimer – “a general license to kill” (Toetungs-licenz).

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