If I never hear the names Reza Aslan and Bill Maher again, that would be just fine with me, but nonetheless, this ongoing controversy is highly illuminating in numerous ways. One thing it exposes is how absolutely one-sided the mainstream media is: after Maher left the reservation, mainstream media publications vied with one another to condemn him, putting out an avalanche of articles about how he was wrong about Islam. Nary a single article appeared in any mainstream outlet saying yes, Maher is right, there is a problem with Islam. Nary a one. We ostensibly have a free press, and yet again and again on this issue and others it marches in absolute unbroken lockstep. The media storm over our latest AFDI bus ads was the same way: there was a blizzard of articles all over the world about our ads, and not a single one in any mainstream publication was favorable.
For whatever reason, we do not have a free press. On the issue of Islam and jihad the mainstream press is a one-party state, with a few dissenting voices allowed now and again on Fox. Another aspect of this is that what the mainstream does present about Islam is very often flatly false, as here. Aslan claims that “the very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery.” Let’s look at the record:
The Qur’an has Allah telling Muhammad that he has given him girls as sex slaves: “Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty.” (Qur’an 33:50)
Muhammad bought slaves: “Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).” (Muslim 3901)
Muhammad took female Infidel captives as slaves: “Narrated Anas: The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, ‘Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.’ Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives. She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet. The Prophet made her manumission as her ‘Mahr.'” (Bukhari 5.59.512) Mahr is bride price: Muhammad freed her and married her. But he didn’t do this to all his slaves:
Muhammad owned slaves: “Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!'” (Bukhari 8.73.182) There is no mention of Muhammad’s freeing Anjasha.
But these facts don’t fit what the mainstream media wants you to think about Islam, so you will never see them on HuffPost Live.
“Reza Aslan: If ISIS Says It’s Muslim, Then It’s Muslim,” by Antonia Blumberg, Huffington Post, October 15, 2014 (thanks to Pedro):
…Aslan joined HuffPost Live’s Marc Lamont Hill to discuss the rise of the Islamic State and the media’s complicated response to it on Wednesday. In a previous interview with CNN, Aslan criticized comedian Bill Maher for making sweeping statements about Islam, a theme he returned to on HuffPost Live.
“There’s a difference between criticizing a person’s belief and condemning that person themselves, and loathing them or dismissing them, or even suggesting that those people should be harmed because of their beliefs,” Aslan said.
Aslan also warned against saying that the Islamic State isn’t Muslim, which may be true in some regards but misleading in others.
“ISIS’ notion of reestablishing slavery as part of Islam — I mean, if you know anything about Islamic history the very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery,” Aslan said. “Nevertheless, there is no such thing as a Muslim pope, there is no such thing as a Muslim Vatican. No one gets to tell you who is and who is not a Muslim.”
mariam rove says
This guy is absoulutley shameless. M
Kilfincelt says
And Aslan teaches at an American university! This is an example of the total idiocy of the Left. No wonder our educational system is so bad.
Champ says
For whatever reason, we do not have a free press.
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Yes, the Lamestream is front and center …and then there’s Jihad Watch: bringing the unvarnished and ugly Truth about islam & company to those who’ll listen. Thank you, Robert!
Champ says
oopsy daisy: should read …Lamestream media!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
For whatever reason, we do not have a free press.
Well, legally we do, but functionally we don’t. This is because the opinion culture has gotten so bad that no “journalist” even wants to expose Islam for what it is. It wouldn’t be that difficult to publicly expose, but it would be quite dangerous to one’s person. So, it’s hip and safe to let the Moslems slide, and cancer always fills a vacuum. Path of least resistance, and we’re the leastest. Look for the number of Moslems in America to increase dramatically in the future.
Don McKellar says
I’m still dumbfounded as to how a pile of tabloid leftist internet sensationalist propoganda like the Huffington Post ever achieved anything like the title of “mainstream media”! The whole thing is usually about 80% lies and hype and fake “stories”.
As for Asslan — there’s nothing new here. Just the usual tactic he and other Islamic supremacist use and succeed with: Lie boldly about Islam and say anything you want and know that you will get away with it 100% because nobody — NOBODY– in mainstream media and their so-called “journalists” will fact-check ANYTHING with regards to Islam. And even if they do, they will never, ever say anything about the lies in public. It’s an insane position MSM has put itself in. Can it ever go back to objective reporting on this topic? Have they all been bought out? Are they all scared? A combination of the two? It’s all so pathetic.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The whole thing is usually about 80% lies and hype and fake “stories”.
The fake stories are made up because news organizations don’t want to produce material that will only upset their audiences. It’s called filler. Human interest stories, bereft of humanity, which requires caring enough to say the truth.
Bill Whatcott says
Frankfurt School and its conspiracy to corrupt. No better way to destabilize a western democracy than to promote homosexuality to native born children in public school and in the popular media and then pile in a bunch of unintegrated Islamic supremacists. Here in Canada our media is homogeneous and biased towards Frankfurt school neo-Marxism as well. I don’t believe what happened in our media happened by chance, this happened by design.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I don’t believe what happened in our media happened by chance, this happened by design.
I’ve also given the topic of how the media got the way it is some thought. The media has impelled the culture leftward, but what’s happened in other institutions impelled the media that way, especially to begin with. Education in particular has that effect, at least here in America as opposed to Canada. First, the capability to read, do math and other things has declined over the last 40 years, and the ability to think critically has almost disappeared. At the same time, the “educators” in the classroom have tirelessly worked to inculcate the kids with globo-socialist nonsense, and racist nonsense, too. And don’t forget the scientific nonsense, like global warming (whoops, that scam renamed itself to be called climate change now).
Not only did the AFT and NEA get into that business, so did the professoriat. From there people coming into the pipeline for careers are naturally predisposed to… nonsense.
voegelinian says
HuffPo is more like what could be called “designer news”, whose maven (president, creator, and editor-in-chief) is Arianna Huffington, a wealthy socialite who back in the 90s was trying to market herself as a conservative pundit (she would regularly appear on Bill Maher’s show “Politically Incorrect” back then and affect to voice and interject with conservatively “incorrect” views). The Internet rag she created disguises itself as a white grand piano dusting cloth, and one can almost see in its “news” some rich young heiress deciding to interest herself in something beyond her increasingly boring life of horse-riding in the morning, tea in the afternoon, viola lessons after lunch, bird-watching on the estate toward supper, Latin tutoring in the evenings, and jetting to the family island getaway on weekends. The bored rich girl has become an “international media mogul” — and that’s so much more fun, isn’t it (though bought at the price of forgetting the wisdom of that old Beatles song She’s Leaving Home: “Fun is the one thing that money can’t buy…”).
moses says
tell that to ISIS who are enslaving their captives!!!!
Jaladhi says
Hey, that’s why he say ISIS is not Islamic. See how his lying arguments work for him!! The circular logic of Muslims – only they understand it and of course our leaders and our liberal press too!!
jewdog says
Clearly, many people do not want facts to interfere with their opinions. If Reza Aslan had said that Mohammed liberated women, never hurt a fly and was so religiously tolerant that he was the first multiculturalist, the media would lap it up. But just to be on the safe side, you can bet that most journalists will stay away from many Islamic garden spots, as they finger their necks.
Daniel Romischer says
I think Reza Aslan lies (covers up important things about islam), but he does so for very important reasons to give the muslim community some pride back. If you call all muslims, slave traders, rapists, terrorist, they will never get any pride back. the whole Arab-Israeli conflict is all about restoring pride to their religion (by destroying Israel no less, not a fan of that). If they aren’t better than the jews it gives the whole religion and it’s followers internal struggle/jihad as we have seen with so many antisemitic rallies in Europe and even here.
Reza Aslan seems like an educated guy to me almost atheist really.
I think he wants to be the voice of moderate Islam and help shape it’s
much needed reformation. He simply needs to deny certain things so Islam can grow.
Muslim has so little to be proud of really. Which i think is at the heart of the issue when you now bring Muslim culture into the global culture.
they were only able to lie to themselves for so long. Now with media, internet and everything. It is pretty out in the open.
And although the media doesn’t cover Islam correctly. Nevertheless, World opinion poll puts it as the most #1 hated religion in the world.
People aren’t blind. Thank you Robert for your site and videos.
Sasha says
It’s not only the media that lies and covers up islam and it’s followers,obama and his followers does it as well..
gravenimage says
Daniel Romischer wrote:
I think Reza Aslan lies (covers up important things about islam), but he does so for very important reasons to give the muslim community some pride back. If you call all muslims, slave traders, rapists, terrorist, they will never get any pride back.
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Daniel, for one thing, no one is all calling *all* Muslims slave traders, rapists, and terrorists. Secondly, you seem to assume that pious Muslims are *ashamed* of being slave traders, rapists, and terrorists—in that case, now do you explain the behavior, and wide appeal, of ISIS itself?
More:
…the whole Arab-Israeli conflict is all about restoring pride to their religion (by destroying Israel no less, not a fan of that). If they aren’t better than the jews it gives the whole religion and it’s followers internal struggle/jihad as we have seen with so many antisemitic rallies in Europe and even here.
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So are you suggesting that if we tell Muslims that their creed *isn’t* antisemitic, that they will stop being antisemitic out of a new-found pride? Perhaps that would have worked with the Nazis, as well…
I would not assume that pious Muslims are ashamed of their antisemitism, any more than any of their other appalling beliefs.
More:
Reza Aslan seems like an educated guy to me almost atheist really.
I think he wants to be the voice of moderate Islam and help shape it’s
much needed reformation. He simply needs to deny certain things so Islam can grow.
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Perhaps you have not read long here at Jihad Watch. Reza Aslan is in the pay of the sanguinary Islamic Republic of Iran—he is an apologist for Muslim savagery, not someone who wants to reform Islam.
More:
Muslim has so little to be proud of really. Which i think is at the heart of the issue when you now bring Muslim culture into the global culture.
they were only able to lie to themselves for so long. Now with media, internet and everything. It is pretty out in the open.
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What pious Muslims are proud of is conquest, the imposition of Shari’ah, and enslaving and mass-killing Infidels. Are you sure you want Muslims to get their “pride back”? We might not survive it…
If Muslims *really* wanted to gain pride in the sense that you mean, they would act better and start achieving something worthwhile, rather than founding a bloody new Caliphate and flocking to it.
Uncle Vladdi says
Re: “If you call all muslims, slave traders, rapists, terrorist, they will never get any pride back”…
Why should muslims get to be “proud!” at all, of their holy-mobster crime-gang?!
And, re: “Reza Aslan seems like an educated guy to me almost atheist really.
I think he wants to be the voice of moderate Islam and help shape it’s
much needed reformation. He simply needs to deny certain things so Islam can grow.”
Why should the criminal cancer of islam be allowed to grow? It clearly states in it’s own foundational war-manual, the Qur’an, that it is Perfect and so cannot be changed – and anyone who tries to change or “reform” it, must be killed!
There are no “moderate” muslims simply because there is no “moderate” islam!
Daniel says
I think Reza Aslan lies (covers up important things about islam), but he does so for very important reasons to give the muslim community some pride back. If you call all muslims, slave traders, rapists, terrorist, they will never get any pride back. the whole Arab-Israeli conflict is all about restoring pride to their religion (by destroying Israel no less, not a fan of that). If they aren’t better than the jews it gives the whole religion and it’s followers internal struggle/jihad as we have seen with so many antisemitic rallies in Europe and even here.
Bassam says
Well……….., in addition to whatever verses were shown in the above article to prove that slavery is in the Sharia law, and that Slaves are not even given any choices or rights in anything, including being forced into sex by their fucking Muslim Masters, the Qur’an gives the Muslim (in more than one verse) the choice between “liberating a slave”, or fasting three days (Which ever is cheaper for the Muslim). Meaning that “liberating a slave” is a kind of punishment on a Muslim for some wrong he has done. Here is one example in a Quran verse: “Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] – then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful.
”
Note: the English translation is not totally accurate as it improves on the meaning that is in Arabic, and Allah considers a slave as just one head or neck, not even calling him a slave or a human being.
Steffen Larsen says
Exactly. I have always understood it this way: freeing a slave was meant as a punishment to the owner. Either that – adding a new member to the Ummah – or helping the Ummah in another way, by food or clothes. As always, anything helping Islam is a good thing, and the only thing that matters.
Infidel4life says
Muslims driving around UK with ISIS flags on car
ApolloSpeaks says
SOME LIARS FOR ISLAM SAY
that Mohammed was a 7th century Mahatma Gandhi; others that he was the George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison of the faith rolled into one. It was only a matter of time when a Moslem liar would infer that he was the slave freeing Abe Lincoln. What’s next? He gave voting rights to women?
http://www.apollospeaks.com
ApolloSpeaks says
It was only a matter of time that a Moslem liar would infer that Mohammed was the slave freeing Abe Lincoln of Medina.
gravenimage says
ApolloSpeaks wrote:
What’s next? He gave voting rights to women?
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You aren’t far wrong. Here’s a Da’wa artist claiming that the “Prophet” was a feminist:
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/prophet-muhammad-p-b-u-h-as-the-feminist/
This is hardly an isolated case.
Muslims have ludicrously asserted that Muhammed was “green”, as well.
Jaladhi says
Liar, liar, pants on fire!! He never heard of it. Of course he has the US media to believe him!!
Zoltar says
“Nevertheless, there is no such thing as a Muslim pope, there is no such thing as a Muslim Vatican. No one gets to tell you who is and who is not a Muslim.”
The man can’t stop lying. Of course there is such thing as a Muslim pope, the Caliph, the successor to the prophet. And the current Caliph is Abu Bakir Al Bagdahdi and he says slavery is ok.
Allan Mandrowski says
Reza Aslan is a fraud and a narcissist. The more he talks, the more he discredits himself.
In light of the Sam Harris controversy I have debated Reza’s dishonesty and libellous approach to discussion amongst my fellow friends who are mostly left of the political spectrum. At first many of them see Aslan for the Islam posterboy that he is, but after elaborately showing examples and explaining the tactics someone like Aslan uses I have been able to convince at least some of the dishonest nature of Aslan’s reasoning and debate manners.
I just wish there were more people on the left wing like Sam Harris and Maher. Many more.
Wellington says
And after Mohammed outlawed slavery, he then began The Enlightenment.
Champ says
ahaha!!! ..good one, Wellington! 😀
Mirren10 says
”And after Mohammed outlawed slavery, he then began The Enlightenment.”
Hey, you islamophobe !
mohammed gave **birth** to the Enlightenment !
I don’t think he had an epidural, though …
gravenimage says
Brilliant, Wellington, in light of Aslan’s absurd boners about the Enlightenment.
But this big lie about the “Prophet”—the biggest slaver in the Qur’an, and whose model is inspiring slavery and sex slavery in Dar-al-Islam today—having “outlawed slavery” is of course far more damaging than his sloppy “scholarship” about the Enlightenment.
UnEasyOne says
Aslan is an enemy agent spreading disinformation (bald faced lies) for an entity – islam – determined to destroy our constitutional form of government and especially the Bill of Rights. islam is a political system masquerading as a religion and should not be given the rights received by actual religions. Nor, may I add, should other religions retain their protected status (like tax exemption) if they interfere with our politics.
No enemy agent/propagandist should be allowed access to our media to spread their lies without at least a provision for equal time to expose the lies.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Nary a single article appeared in any mainstream outlet saying yes, Maher is right, there is a problem with Islam. Nary a one. We ostensibly have a free press, and yet …
The press has the freedom to ignore facts, and they ain’t afraid to use it. A lot. Trouble is there is no alternative with sufficient public mind bandwidth to call them on it. Fox RINO does barely have the bandwidth to correct the record, but *that* outfit handles uncomfortable facts like a hazmat crew cleaning up a sewer overflowage in a village racked by an Ebola outbreak.
Edward says
Reza Aslan, is a wannabe modern Islam reformer. He has Iranian roots, his family had pro ties with the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi of the Pahlavi dynasty (1925-1979).
This is what is written about his religious views in the past and now:
Aslan converted to evangelical Christianity at the age of 15,[6] and converted back to Islam the summer before attending Harvard.[7] In 2014, Aslan described Islam as: “a man-made institution. It’s a set of symbols and metaphors that provides a language for which to express what is inexpressible, and that is faith. It’s symbols and metaphors that I prefer, but it’s not more right or more wrong than any other symbols and metaphors. It’s a language, that’s all it is.”[30]
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan#Religious_views
Its no wonder he is a cryto-liar now……he wants to let the world know that Islam; in his words in 2014 said that:
In 2014, Aslan described Islam as: “a man-made institution. It’s a set of symbols and metaphors that provides a language for which to express what is inexpressible, and that is faith. It’s symbols and metaphors that I prefer, but it’s not more right or more wrong than any other symbols and metaphors. It’s a language, that’s all it is.”[30]
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Aslan described Islam as: “a man-made institution. It’s a set of symbols and metaphors that provides a language for which to express what is inexpressible, and that is faith. It’s symbols and metaphors that I prefer, but it’s not more right or more wrong than any other symbols and metaphors. It’s a language, that’s all it is.”
A freudian slip there, that faith is inexpressible, cuz what Moslems have faith *in* should be kept quiet. I’m referring to the parts about fight until there is no God but Allah and a woman is worth half a man, that kinda stuff. It’s an unspeakable language being spoken for the world to hear at 200 decibels. That’s all it is.
Also, Aslan’s comparative analysis is built atop the assumption that Islam is a religion. It’s not. It also has the components of government and military. Maybe this self-appointed theologian missed those parts in the Holy Ko-Ran.
Edward says
OOPS i made a huge mistake, sorry! I made an effort to edit the original comment draft on line, but i hit the [PC] button by mistake and the unedited draft got posted immediately. Next time I’ll draft my next posts on Word Pad i promise.
The post below was the version i intended to post. Is there any way my first post can be deleted by me?
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Reza Aslan, is a wannabe modern Islam reformer. He has Iranian roots, his family had pro ties with the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi of the Pahlavi dynasty (1925-1979).
Its no wonder he is a crypto-liar now……he wants to let the world know by his words in 2014 said that Islam is: “a man-made institution. It’s a set of symbols and metaphors that provides a language for which to express what is inexpressible, and that is faith. It’s symbols and metaphors that I prefer, but it’s not more right or more wrong than any other symbols and metaphors. It’s a language, that’s all it is.”[30
This is what is written about his religious views in the past and now@
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan#Religious_views
It seems that Aslan wants to cleanup Mohammad’s perverted and destructive class acts.
The Pahlavi dynasty Iranians have always been a pro reform Islam sect. The local San Antonio Texas media would characterize them as such. The Shah of Iran was treated here at the Lackland AF Base here in town in the late seventies before his death.
Paul Moylan says
His ‘facts’ seem predicated on the idea that he can finish what he is saying and scarper before anyone google searches his content…………. just one of the many pseudo intellectuals that got through academia on a free ticket because he was a Muslim and if we only gave them a proper education and financial stability things would be OK.
Nope, now we have super educated terrorists and billionaire Islamic theocracies willing to fund them. Worth a try though, right ?
twostellas says
Mhm, and the second thing he outlawed was pedophila, third was beheading, and forth was inequality under the law. /chuckle
Softly Bob says
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21:7-8
UnEasyOne says
Aslan is an enemy agent spreading disinformation (bald faced lies) for an entity – islam – determined to destroy our constitutional form of government and especially the Bill of Rights. islam is a political system masquerading as a religion and should not be given the rights received by actual religions. Nor, may I add, should other religions retain their protected status (like tax exemption) if they interfere with our politics.
No enemy agent/propagandist should be allowed access to our media to spread their lies without at least a provision for equal time to expose the lies.
“The best enemy is the one who refuses to fight and prepares the way for your ambassadors and warriors because you have bribed their leaders. Except for the last stage, when the conquest is openly acknowledged, the process can be almost bloodless.”
I said that, but I’m sure someone else did too.
For our politicians, it’s about money and power. In this case, that means oil. If we use our own natural resources, starting with the wind and the sun, we can throw off the chain of our Saudi masters, by becoming free of ME oil within tan years. The price of oil will collapse, and the area will go back to producing clerics and goatherds.
Jen says
I really *cannot* stand this Reza Aslan. There are not strong enough words to describe what kind of person he must be. Why is he wasting his life, covering up the despicable actions of Muhammad? I wonder how he feels about himself each day, knowing that he is contributing nothing to humanity and is endangering peoples’ lives through perpetuating lies. That’s about all he is good for. He is a mouthpiece of evil and a pathetic loser.
unbeliever1 says
What is it with the pointing of the index finger whether it’s Osama Bin Laden,Mlala or Reza Aslan?Must be a Muslim way of emulating the prophet.
PJG says
The upraised index finger signifies “tawhid” or the Oneness of God, a big deal in islam. It has come increasingly to signify solidarity with the Islamic State who, of course, embody the aggressive totalitarianism of Islam. In short, when they do that they are giving us “the finger” in no uncertain terms.
gravenimage says
Exactly, PJG. And I’d much rather someone “gave me the finger” in the usual sense of the term any day of the week—it’s a lot less aggressive.
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-04/isis-has-new-hand-sign-and-it-means-far-more-we-re-1
The only mistake in this article is the belief that this gesture is new, and originated with with the Islamic State.
It dates back at least to the Bosnian Jihad, where Jihadists used the gesture to taunt and threaten local Christians, who used three fingers as a symbol of the Trinity (this symbol was not aggressive, nor was it a taunt—just a gesture akin to Catholics crossing themselves).
It may, of course, be older than this. But there is no doubt as to its meaning, nor to its threatening nature.
Elise says
This Reza is a moron; he assumes that most people are just as stupid as he is, so they’ll believe his lies. Ask the maids and servants in any Muslim majority country and in Muslim homes around the world, they will tell you that they are treated like slaves. Remember the news about the child that was a slave in So. California to an Egyptian family? She worked from before dawn to midnight and lived in the garage for years, until a neighbor called the police. According to Islam men can have sex slaves, isn’t that slavery?
This Reza should keep talking because the more that people listen to him, the more they will see that he is a liar and a coward.
Kepha says
It seems that Reza Aslan’s nose has grown by about seven centimeters.
fair_dinkum says
then a lot of moslems are still ignorant and have it wrong..
slavery, just in say, saudi arabia, is still the norm.
this guy cant stop lying
ibn Muslim says
Muslims are slaves only to Allah. Non-Muslims can be slaves to Muslims – this is why in South Africa kafir is a slur for blacks. Muslims didn’t want to islamize the blacks, because they couldn’t be tra
ibn Muslim says
… be traded as slaves. But Reza is right, you cannot own a Muslim slave.
Wellington says
The quote above, attributed to Aslan, reads “the very first thing Muhammad did was outlaw slavery.” It does not say, “the very first thing Muhammad did was outlaw slavery of Muslims” or something along this line. So, you got this wrong, just as Aslan got what he said wrong.
Champ says
Good catch, Wellington!
gravenimage says
The repulsive ibn Muslim wrote:
Muslims are slaves only to Allah. Non-Muslims can be slaves to Muslims – this is why in South Africa kafir is a slur for blacks. Muslims didn’t want to islamize the blacks, because they couldn’t be traded as slaves. But Reza is right, you cannot own a Muslim slave.
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This sickening barbarian is an advocate for *enslaving humans*. And why not? He is a pious Muslim who has condoned other kinds of Islamic savagery here, as well.
And he also uses *slurs* against the victims of his own rabid coreligionists.
Many devout Christians devoted their lives to the abolition of slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Not so Muslims like ibn Muslim, who would gladly see everyone here sold into slavery and sex slavery.
And God knows this moral monster is not alone—pious Muslims all over the world are intent on reinstating slavery under the banner of Islam.
*He* knows that Reza Aslan is just spouting Taqiyya to fool the credulous Kuffar.
Ibn Muslim is so emboldened now that he doesn’t believe that devout Mohammedans need to bother with this sort of prevarication anymore, though.
Ayatrollah says
I think the first thing pbuh did (when he got to Medina) was buy land for a mosque.
I could be wrong.
gravenimage says
Reza Aslan: “The very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery”
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My God, what crap. No one is responsible for the enslavement of more people as recounted in the Qur’an than is Muhummed himself.
Besides the incidents recounted above, he was also responsible for the enslavement of all the women and children of the Banu Qurayza tribe after he had all of the men—up to 900 of them—beheaded. So even conservatively, this involved his enslaving well over a thousand victims.
And it is notable that in the story about his buying a slave, above, that he traded him for two other slaves, who surely remained in slavery.
More:
“Nevertheless, there is no such thing as a Muslim pope, there is no such thing as a Muslim Vatican. No one gets to tell you who is and who is not a
Muslim.”
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More baldfaced crap. There may be no “Muslim pope”, but pious Muslims declare heretical or lax Muslims “apostates” all the time—in fact, the Islamic State just declared a 17-year-old boy an apostate and killed and crucified him.
And Muslims regularly “Honor Kill” Muslims for being “insufficiently Islamic”.
There is, in fact, a doctrine of Islam—Takfir—especially for this purpose.
nacazo says
There you have it folks, from the great scholar of creative writing himself. The first thing Muhammed did was not crying nor drinking milk from his mother…no, outlaw slavery…. in his playground. Later on as he became a military doctator in Medina he re-introduced slavery, owned, sold and purchased slaves…. mkey.
nacazo says
*dictator not doctator
deja vu says
I am baffled by Reza Aslan’s comment:
“ISIS’ notion of reestablishing slavery as part of Islam — I mean, if you know anything about Islamic history the very first thing that Muhammad did was outlaw slavery,” Aslan said. “Nevertheless, there is no such thing as a Muslim pope, there is no such thing as a Muslim Vatican. No one gets to tell you who is and who is not a Muslim.”
Leaving aside the facts of history, and that Islamic slavery continues to this day, surely Reza has overlooked the Islamic belief that every Biblical character was Muslim, including Abraham and Moses – even Jesus Himself. That’s why someone does not ‘convert’ to islam, they ‘re-vert’ to what they were orginally.
The Pope, who consides himself a Roman Catholic, is obviously unaware that he is really a Muslim, as are all human beings – whether we like it or not – and the sooner we all revert to Islam the better.
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…/sarc off
UnEasyOne says
The outrageousness and magnitude of this enormous bald faced lie still has me stunned hours after first reading it. I don’t think I have ever seen a more confident and unabashed use of “The Big Lie,” than this.
He is an academic, to whom credibility important. Before I knew anything about him a book he wrote was recommended to me. I did a little research on him, not caring to waste my time if he was a big flake. His credentials (as a religious scholar) were fairly solid. I read the book.
Although he did his best to conceal it, he had an ax to grind, but the real point of this comment is that IF I HAD KNOWN THAT HE WAS SUCH AN UNABASHED LIAR, I WOULD HAVE NEVER READ THE BOOK. Credentials or no, no one but the ignorant will ever take him seriously again.
He’s obviously decided he can make more money spreading BS for Mo.
Edward says
Yep! The consensus has it……..Aslan’s lack of veracity and his body language (the symbolic finger) betrays his honesty. Hmm….haven’t we seen that certain symbolic finger salute exhibited by another high profile character? Oh yea…. We have seen these disgusting gestures before…as a matter of for at least the past 7 years! Would you believe this what our POTUS animates with during his speeches, this along with his other aids….his teleprompter buddies, Is the pointed finger thing a distinctive Muslim attribute? If it is, whats the word for it?
Its on Youtube!
Edward says
oops done it again…
“as a matter of[fact] for at least the past 7 years!”
I should learn to proof read my own stuff 😉
pumbar says
He appears to be prancing around in a Nyan cat hoodie. Is this old queen trying to take us from the Camp David accord to the camp Asslan discord?
James says
Sultan Tabendeh’s commentary on the UN Declaration of Human Rights:
“in islam, slavery is a genuine legal condition”.
Cindy says
These people do nothing but lie!!!!! They lie to us and to each other. It is what they do, their father is the father of all lies that is satan himself. They seem not to be able to help themselves. They make stuff up as they go. What gets me is that they lie about what the koran says when you can read it for yourself and see the truth about what the unholy book says. And I say unholy because a holy God does not tell you to kill for the reasons it does and tell you to extort and enslave people. It would be just the opposite. God forgive these people and open their eyes to see the truth before it is too late and they are bound for the fires of hell.
stevo k says
looked on the comments section of huffpo and was pleasantly surprised, quite a few comments noting how wrong reza ass-lan is, not to mention stating that he is an outright liar
tpellow says
A reminder for R. Aslan: Islam and Slavery-
“Islam, Slavery and Rape”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/jamie-glazov/islam-slavery-and-rape/
Joycey says
Reza Aslan is the premier Islamic academic front in the United States. His use of taqyyia and kitman is consummate and can fool most who have not studied murderous, fascist, supremacist Islam.
Edward says
“Stop giving Reza Aslan attention!” Free Speech October 21, 2014 at 9:06 am
No, attention to the Muslim/Islamic paradox fact has to be continued…..the diligence of the Muslim’s world to succeed in world domination has been going on for the last plus 1400 years. Its about time that righteous minded people find resolution from this perpetual threat.
Aslan’s approach to this paradox dilemma can be one of two……first, to aid in the Muslim’s / Islamic world conquest determination (here he would act like a realpoltik practitioner) or second, to defuse the world’s perception of their religion’s propensity to practice evil actions, i.e of all of the Quran’s written evil edicts. The one’s that have been highlighted constantly on the media. However, It seems and I will state again, it seems that Aslan wants to elevate Islam, his cradle born religion up to par to with Christianity. He, himself had been a Christian convert for a period of time, then converted to back Islam before he entered Harvard. Perhaps, if he if is wanting to model the new Islam after Christianity’s universal convictions, it would be most expedient for him, if he could encourage the most moderate Islamic’s to simply convert to Christianity instead. In his way the like-minded ex-Islamic s would overshadow the die-heart evil Jihads sects. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic, but my faith strengthens my hopes!
“Aslan converted to evangelical Christianity at the age of 15,[6] and converted back to Islam the summer before attending Harvard.” –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan#Religious_views
A side note: If Alsan utilizes psychology to achieve his goal of introducing his religious visions he may be implementing 2 possible applications of these science branches. These being:
Minimization psychology:” Minimization is the opposite of exaggeration. It is a type of deception[7] involving denial coupled with rationalization in situations where complete denial is implausible.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Minimisation (or)
Reverse psychology: “Reverse psychology is a technique involving the advocacy of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what actually is desired: the opposite of what is suggested.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_psychology
Paradox: A paradox is a statement that apparently contradicts itself and yet might be true.[1][2] Most logical paradoxes are known to be invalid arguments but are still valuable in promoting critical thinking.[3]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox
Realpolitik: “The term Realpolitik is sometimes used pejoratively to imply politics that are coercive, amoral, or Machiavellian.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
Anon says
Jihadist Clown. He would be “serving” right along side ISIS except HIS job is to be placed in the U.S. to deflect/deceive.
Uncle Vladdi says
One of the first things Moe did, was to make a trade for Bilal, a black muslim slave.
And how did the paragon do this? Moe traded TWO other black slaves for Bilal LOL!
David says
Azlan just makes up stuff. He has no support for anything he ever says. But HuffPo doesn’t care.
Anyway, there is a possibility that we have been transported into a bizarro world. Or Aslan has been transported from the Bizarro world. Didn’t the other readers study Superman and Bizarro? Maybe in the Bizarro world, Muhammad did abolish slavery.
Anushirvan says
“No one gets to tell you who is and who is not a Muslim.”
Absolute drivel.
Salafists proclaim Takfir on all other Muslims, including Wahhabist Salafists for their affiliation with the House of Saud. In turn, the Wahhabist clergy level the accusation against members of the Muslim Brotherhood, among others.
Shia Muslims think of themselves as the adherents of an Islam that is considered more authoritative than Sunni Islam, with some Shiites even performing the obligatory ritual disavowal of the three first Righteous Caliphs of Islam, to dissociate themselves from the Sunni take on things. (Tabarra’iyan, which is the Shiite version of al-wala wal bara)
All throughout the history of Islam, allegations of Takfir are flying to and fro among its adherents. Muslims are constantly telling one another who is and who is not a Muslim, regardless of whether or not there is a centralized authority within Islam. Hence the internecine violence in Islam.
Aslan knows this full well.
Edward says
MORE ABOUT ASLAN:
Exclusive Loonwatch Interview with Reza Aslan
Here’s the text from that personal interview. Reading this script is very telling that something happened to him “after reading the Quran for the first time as an adult.
“I spent the summer before I went off to Harvard just reading some books about Islam, reading the Quran really for the first time as an adult and the more I started reading about it, the history, the theology, the Quranic studies, the more I was just kind of excited about it. I always talk about how I had an emotional conversion to Christianity but a rational conversion to Islam. Reading about the way Islam talks about the divine and the relationship between human beings and God and conceptions of the universe and ideas of the transcendent, these made a hell of a lot more sense to me cosmologically speaking than some old man in the sky impregnated a virgin and His son came out and died for us.” – Aslan’s quote loonwatch.com 11/2011
Interesting revelations about Aslan’s religion conversions….he states: “I always talk about how I had an emotional conversion to Christianity but a rational conversion to Islam.” I would understand his emotional feeling when converting to Christianity….The Gospels. But then he says a reasonable one when crossing over to Islam. With this revelation… I ask what lured him to Islam? What allures those that follow the Quran? Is it because they are given the liberty to destroy, kill or maim the innocents? Where do they get this propensity to do so? Is it an innate ancestral attribute?
When I first read about Aslan I thought “here comes a hero of the Muslim’s”, I could envision he was going to be another Saul of Tarsus (aka) St. Paul. He was the one that encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus. Certainly he not the one…….especially, knowing what he perceive about Christianity. With all the religious back ground he has amassed through the years……this is what he thinks about the most notable theological event in Christianity …..about The Annunciation!
“Reading about the way Islam talks about the divine and the relationship between human beings and God and conceptions of the universe and ideas of the transcendent, these made a hell of a lot more sense to me cosmologically speaking than some old man in the sky impregnated a virgin and His son came out and died for us.” – Aslan’s quote loonwatch.com 11/2011
Actually he was slammed by a fellow Muslim commenter….this is what he had to say about Aslan’s idiotic “some old man in the sky”…..words remarks.
ZAI • 3 years ago @ Averroes’ Ghost:
“Brother, I’m sorry, but I have to likewise disagree with you that Reza’s tone wasn’t condescending and somewhat rude when talking about Christian theology. Again, I’m not disputing his theosophical stance or personal logic as to why Christian theology doesn’t appeal to him…as a fellow Muslim I obviously share those sentiments with him.My issue is not with the substance of what he said, but how he said it. What I took issue with particularly was this line:
‘some old man in the sky impregnated a virgin and His son came out and died for us’
Sorry, but this kind of sarcastic language is not becoming of a scholar like Aslan. This is the kind of shallow and rude presentation I expect from the likes of Bill Maher, Dawkins or Hitchens…not someone of Reza’s caliber.”
A side note: This clown is sick……I’m wiping Aslan’s name out from the list of possible Islam’s reformation leaders. Sadly, he doesn’t know anything about what Christianity is all about!
BTW – Aslan says he has the HOTS for Robert Spencer 😉
Edward says
OOPS…..I forgot the loonwatch.com link, sorry!
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/exclusive-loonwatch-interview-with-reza-aslan/