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Robert Spencer in FrontPage: Britain: Muslim Rape Gangs Run Wild

Oct 17, 2014 11:03 pm By Robert Spencer

UKMuslimrapegangThe cover-up of the Muslim rape gang scandal in Britain widens. My latest at FrontPage:

1,400 British non-Muslim children were gang-raped and brutalized by Muslims in the British city of Rotherham, in accord with the Qur’anic allowance for the sexual enslavement of infidel women that the Islamic State has pointed to in order to justify its exploitation of captive Yazidi and Christian women. But no airstrikes were called in Rotherham; rather, British officials there “described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.” And now four years of key and highly incriminating files have gone missing.

According to the Mirror, “Professor Alexandra Jay, who wrote the bombshell report revealing 1,400 young girls were abused in the town over 15 years, said minutes from key meetings have disappeared. Rotherham Council was slammed in her report for ignoring the scandal and its leader and chief executive have both since resigned.”

These files almost certainly contain damning material about how British officials wouldn’t move against the rape gangs for fear of being stigmatized as “racists” and “Islamophobes.” But those officials are still in positions of power and influence in Britain, and so these missing files are unlikely ever to be recovered.

If anyone in Britain has the courage actually to search for them, has he or she checked Nick Lowles’s office? The people who have the most to lose here are people like Lowles, the leader of the far-Left group with the Orwellian name “Hope Not Hate,” who for years smeared anyone and everyone who spoke out against these Muslim rape gangs as “racist,” “bigoted” and “Islamophobic.” The Muslim rape gangs went unreported, unprosecuted, and in general unstopped because of organizations like Hope Not Hate, and others such as Faith Matters and Tell Mama, that waged relentless war against anyone and everyone who spoke out about these issue.

(Incidentally, when these groups led the campaign to ban Pamela Geller and me from entering Britain, one of the events we had discussed going to was a rally against the rape gangs. And despite smearing us as hatemongering equivalents of British jihadist Anjem Choudary, Lowles, when challenged on the BBC, could not come up with a single “hateful” statement I have ever made in 13 books, hundreds of articles, and over 40,000 blog posts.)

Meanwhile, search for “grooming” (these gangs are usually called “grooming gangs” in the British media) at Hope Not Hate’s site, and you will see that a significant percentage of the articles mentioning this practice are attacking those who are calling attention to it and protesting against it.

Who, then, is responsible for the religion-based mass gang-rape of British girls? The British Left — in particular the “anti-hate” crusaders Lowles and Matthew Collins of Hope Not Hate, Fiyaz Mughal of Faith Matters and Tell Mama, and their friends, supporters, and allies.

The lives of 1,400 girls are ruined today because of these men. If Britain were even close to being a sane society today, these people would be being subjected to scorching criticism, and there would be a thorough public reevaluation of how much the Left’s alliance with Islamic supremacism and smear campaign against foes of jihad terror has harmed the nation and its people.

But Britain is not a sane society today, and these sinister individuals — Lowles, Mughal, and the rest of them — will continue to wield their considerable power and influence there. Or at least they will until they have outlived their usefulness to those whom they have aided, like the Communists in Iran who helped the Ayatollah Khomeini come to power, only to discover that what the “Islamophobes” had been saying about the pious cleric was all true.

And so when British society dissolves into daily bloodshed and civil war, as it almost certainly will when British officials finally say no to any further appeasement and accommodation of Islamic supremacists, and those supremacists take umbrage, the thieves of these Rotherham files (as well as Lowles, Collins, Mughal and all their accomplices) can congratulate themselves that they were never, not even for a second, “racist.”

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  1. John Powell says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 3:39 am

    This is not just happening in Rotherham it is happening in Birmingham.

    “A police report revealed 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers in the West Midlands are Asian – with 82 per cent of victims, aged 14 to 16, being white.

    And a Birmingham Mail investigation has discovered how police, councils and social services have been failing vulnerable victims in a new abuse scandal which follows those identified in Rotherham, Rochdale and Derbyshire”.

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/west-midlands-police-report-reveals-7948902

    Notice how the Birmingham Police is too cowardly to say Muslim, they say Asian, therefore lumping Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists together with this poisonous ideology.

    • Mark says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 2:45 pm

      It’s happening, where-ever there are muslims.

    • Seabeesrule! says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 7:58 pm

      My god this problem is GINORMOUS IN UK!!! I lived there from 2009 to April of this year and over three years ago they unearthed the first of the gangs but didn’t do a thing.. Everyone there is properly cowed by PC ness, threats of islamophobia, racism, etc. So cops officials government are all pandering to these savages… It came out only WHITE BRITISH UNDERAGE GIRLS WERE BEING GROOMED THEN GANG RAPED ETCETCETC. They are also referred to in UK as “ASIAN MALES”.. Still can’t figure that one out bec they’re arabs muslims.. Pakistani muslim men to be exact! So I wasn’t surprised when the Rotherdam debacle exploded… It’s all over the UK!!! Those pigs grooming white english girls and not one “Asian girl” amount them! Now how racist is that?!? Profiling only white British girls to rape drug and prostitute out! The Brits have become a nation of kow towing political correct spineless drones… Muhammad is the number one name in the country! They are going to be bred right out of existence! Then those slimy pakis will have no choice but to defile their own!! Disgusting pigs! Disgustingly weak population! And we’re not far behind…sad to say…this goes on here too in big cities with loads of muzzrats …God help us all God bless America!

    • eric says

      Oct 19, 2014 at 12:21 pm

      It is hard to accept that 1400 girls were sexually assaulted without any arrests or punishment. It is inconceivable to me that 2800 parents let their daughters live as victims without loudly demanding law enforcement do something. Call Charles Bronson. DO SOMETHING! Or did British people lose thie courage when their guns were confiscated?

      Seriously, look what happened in Ferguson, Missouri after one man was shot by police? Of course the fact that the officer suffered fractured facial bones and was admitted for treatment right after the shooting was/is ignored by liberals since it shows the ‘victim’ was punching or hitting the officer before being shot. The point I make is that ,parents and communities will rise up whether the injustice is real or not. What could possibly prevent 2800 British parents from rising up against these rape squads?

  2. Beagle says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 3:52 am

    Ignoring for a moment the monstrous magnitude of these crimes against the innocent and vulnerable, and the systemic institutional complicity in the UK leftist establishment, I would like to bring to your attention the still ongoing love affair between the Left and the Iranian theocracy you mention towards the end of your piece. From Foucault, Communists, and Jimmy Carter, to Obama, and here the NYT, countless notable leftists have issued paeans to their Islamic girlfriend, the Iranian ayatollah theocracy.

    I wonder if muta and a gay hanging is on the itinerary?

    The NYT Iranian “joie de vivre” tour:

    http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nytimes-offers-13-day-journalist-led-tour-iran-6995_810983.html

  3. Jayell says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 4:24 am

    Two things. First – strange how the mug shots at the top of this article haven’t appeared spread all over the FRONT pages of the British press, always somewhere inside, if at all. And this is just the Rotherham case. What about all the others (Rochdale, Oxford, Keighley…….etc., ad nauseam – literally!). And why is it that we are hearing about just the police & social service chiefs being pilloried for being ‘responsible’ for all this? They are ‘responsible’ for not taking appropriate action against those who were REALLY ‘responsible’ – i.e., the repulsive Islamic pondlife pictured in your article. And secondly (and I’ve said this many times before) – isn’t it about time people started asking questions about all the highly-publicised white-male-celebrity-historic-sex-scandal witch hunts which oh-so-mysteriously started in 2010 (decades after the alleged ‘offences’ occurred) and strangely about the same time as the first muslim paedophile gang cases were about to come to court and burst into the public domain? Questions like (a) Why exactly did it take so long for these ‘celebrity’ cases to surface when the ‘offences’ (if they happened at all, which has been often in serious doubt) occurred decades before? (b) Is it not odd that these curiously-delayed ‘celebrity’ cases coincided with the muslim paedophile cases coming to court? (c) Why was there so much press hoo-ha about the celebrity cases, which as often as not related to relatively few seedy ‘groping’ or similar incidents without any malicious or sadistic physical harm to the ‘victims’ and usually without any hard evidence (assuming that the ‘victims’ WERE actually innocent ‘victims’, and assuming that the incidents did actually occur) whereas the muslim paedophile-gang cases (which demonstrably WERE malicious, sadistic, clearly pre-meditated, large-scale and did result in physical and psychological harm and were surrounded by plenty of evidence) were buried in the media as far as possible, if not ignored?
    (d) Does not the different treatment of these two phenomena (the ‘celebrity’ cases and the paedophile-gang cases) amount to an effective smokescreen for the latter. If so, why? And if there HAS been deliberate manipulation of the media and the judicial process for whatever reason, who is responsible and what are their motives? And will THEY be held responsible for any resulting damage resulting from their actions in respect of girls being needlessly violated because they were complicit in the withholding or concealing information that could have helped avoid offences being committed; not to mention the serious damage done to the ‘celebrities’ who were wrongly or unfairly pilloried in the media?

    • Bob Fincher says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 9:05 am

      Totally agree with your comments,keep up the good work!

    • carpediadem says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 10:11 am

      No. The celebrity abuse cases were so huge because they are CELEBRITIES.
      Once that kind of thing is revealed it takes on its own life and I would not have the victims – no scare quotes please – done outr of their day in court than I would anyone else.

      The news is a greedy beast. The Muslim pedophile racket was not publicised because of the nature of the perpetrators.

    • Seabeesrule! says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm

      Bravo! What a great statement sir I am very impressed…. I was there when this started and was sickened by how little publicity it got! Thank you for saying all this much better and more eloquently than I ever could!!

    • chase says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm

      The offences of Rolf Harris amounted to nothing more than Austin powers type behaviour.I was a teenager during this era and this sort of thing was rampant,encouraged and laughed at.In fact it verged on socially acceptable to a large number of people at the time.Never the less it was immoral and wrong, but I wonder if this was ever taken into account.

  4. Tommo says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 5:41 am

    The police are at fault here for not impounding computers and files used by council officials and social workers like they do in child pornography cases. The police had a reason for not collecting evidence as it would show how corrupt and careful they are when dealing with Muslims. They would rather have our young girls’ lives destroyed than expose Islamic crime on our streets. Perhaps they just might have a change in attitude when Muslim gangs start beheading cops like they said was on their agenda.

    The leftist officials who were exposed and shamed into resigning over the cover up should be marked men but in Britain its possible for them to resurface pure as the driven snow in another managerial job some months later thanks to the network of leftists operating within common purpose – an organisation dedicated to working outside government control to further the politics of the far left.

    • Shane says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 9:40 am

      Political correctness is destroying European countries because they will not state the obvious fact that Muslims do not fit into Western culture. The abuse that Muslims dole out to women is sanctioned by the Koran, the example of Muhammad, and the teachings of Muslim imams.

      Muslim Rape Gangs roaming Europe seeking white rape victims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqOydLrpqGE

      Islamic Rape Wave in Norway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoiCYwoJKrE

      • Bob Fincher says

        Oct 18, 2014 at 11:29 am

        The problem we have here is the other muslims who keep quiet about it. The fear that they could lose their lives stops them shopping their sons,husband’s,nephews or uncle’s.
        There koran doesn’t do them any favours either!

        • Mark says

          Oct 18, 2014 at 2:50 pm

          You assume those other muslims for some reason, are not muslims.

          No such thing as a moderate muslim as they show they ALL practice taqiyya.

    • chase says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 11:10 pm

      A muslim tried to behead two police in Australia a few weeks ago.He randomly attacked and badly stabbed them before being shot dead.He planned to behead the two policemen then drape an ISIS banner over their bodies.

  5. Semeru says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 6:27 am

    These skum bags have nothing to do with Rotherham but from Rochdale. If Spencerwas really concerned about the grooming he could at least show the culprits who where involved, instead of people involved in another case

    Spencer is very vocal against Folks like Nick Lowes, but Spencer was also very negative against one of the main people who was very active in exposing the grooming games, so it is rather hypocritical of Spencer, as it was taboo on this forum to even mention BNP and Nick Griffin.

    • Steffen Larsen says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 9:39 am

      Semeru, Rochdale is not merely “another” case, with nothing to do with Rotherham. It is a similar case, emphasizing that there is a big problem involving people of a similar background. Thank you for pointing this out.

      Mr. Spencer has spoken out against BNP and Nick Griffin many times on JW. Do a search.

      • Semeru says

        Oct 19, 2014 at 12:11 am

        Steffan, I know exactly how how Spencer has written about Griffin, it has been very little, Spencer has never acknowledged Griffins and BNP efforts against Grooming.

        For a while Griifin was one of the only peolpe talking out.

    • Mark says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 2:53 pm

      The vast majority of british people are totally against the evil nazi BNP and piece of filth griffin.

      You just exposed yourself.

      • Semeru says

        Oct 19, 2014 at 12:19 am

        Well Well

        It is you that has exposed yourself.

        Griffen made a few snide remarks about the holocaust 14 odd years ago. Most of the claptrap about the BNP is straight out of Hope not Hate,s text book.

  6. Judi says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 6:53 am

    Sign the petition to get Islam banned in the UK:

    https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/70069

  7. James says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 7:07 am

    “others such as Faith Matters and Tell Mama”

    Note the date: 21st February 2012. The start of the first highly-publicised grooming trial, and the date when Tell Mama was launched.

    http://news.sky.com/story/928017/court-hears-of-sex-grooming
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17117530
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17063513

    When there is an eventual Public Inquiry in Britain into the grooming gangs, I hope Mughal is asked if Tell Mama was launched to coincide with the trial of the Rochdale groomers.

    As for Hope Not Hate, there is evidence they were aware of the reality of the grooming gangs as far back as 2005. http://www.blowe.org.uk/2009/09/searchlight-threaten-uaf-with-legal.html By 2014 HNH was claiming to have been “vocal in its criticism of how local authorities were dealing with on-street grooming from as far back as 2005”. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/nick/shining-a-light-on-abuse-3958 Yet between 2005 and 2014 HNH’s principal concerns were to oppose groups like the EDL, who were protesting about the grooming gangs (and drawing attention to the schoolgirls who have gone missing, presumed dead). HNH should be challenged to provide evidence of what they did between 2005 and 2014 to expose the complicity of the authorities with the grooming gangs. I suspect that for every statement that HNH released between 2005 and 2014 about the grooming gangs, HNH issued 1000 statements opposing the BNP or the EDL. If the grooming scandal had continued to go unpublicised and unprosecuted from 2009 to 2014, there is no evidence that HNH would ever have mentioned it again after 2005.

    One of the most senior police officers in the UK is now saying that there may well have been “tens of thousands of victims [a year]”. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29639374

    I cannot believe the scale of this. If it really is (say) 20,000 victims per year, how was this massive scandal covered up by journalists, charities, politicians, police for decades? It was only 5 years ago that the Muslim Council of Britain was claiming that the idea of muslim grooming gangs was “a racist myth”.

    This is turning out to be the biggest child-care scandal in Britain’s history, possibly the biggest child-care scandal of any western country in the past 100 years. MPs in Britain are now indicating that they think that childcare professionals went so far as to destroy the evidence. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/missing-rotherham-abuse-scandal-files-fuel-public-suspicion-of-a-deliberate-coverup-9802307.html

    That is how a scandal of this size was covered up for 20 years. There were people paid by the state to look after children, who not only abandoned the children to this horrific fate, but then destroyed the evidence of their wilful neglect.

  8. fair_dinkum says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 7:39 am

    abhorrent sex slavery..

    these poor women. how do you survive that?

    they should band together, all of them, form an organisation and make it political.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 9:08 am

      Actually, that’s not a bad idea.

      Not sure how it could be got off the ground.

      Maybe Baroness Caroline Cox might have some ideas, or Gavin Boby, or Paul Weston.

  9. Steffen Larsen says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham (1997 – 2013)

    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    • tpellow says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 1:28 pm

      Yes, and, of course-

      “Rotherham abuse scandal: Joyce Thacker given £40k payout”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29674059

  10. Jen says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Muslim men are the most disgusting perverts I’ve encountered anywhere. It’s like they’re wild animals that will look and try to act upon the first thing that comes to mind. You can find the odd pervert in every society, but Muslim men seem to hold up awfully well to this stereotype, no matter where you encounter them. These predators have eyes like they’re possessed by demons. Shame on the people in charge who allowed these girls to be sacrificed. I can’t imagine turning a blind eye to this. How did they sleep at night?

    • Mark says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      Maybe you dont realise but islam actually teaches a great many sexual perversions are normal because muhamad did them all.

  11. MB says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Big coverup on multiple levels. Why? I recall reading that London seeks to be the world center for Islamic bonds & finance. Could trillions of pounds motivate?

  12. Jerry says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Deport those you can.

    Neuter the rest.

    Erase those who resist.

  13. Elaine Goode says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 11:52 am

    The perps look like baboons. Are they REALLY human beings? or did their mothers mate with baboons?

  14. tpellow says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    “75 PERCENT OF BIRMINGHAM’S CHILD SEX GROOMERS ARE ASIAN.

    FOUR IN FIVE OF THEIR VICTIMS ARE WHITE GIRLS.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/18/75-Percent-of-Birminghams-Child-Sex-Groomers-Are-Asian

  15. Ameer Al-Aziz says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    What a sad little cretin you are Mr. Spencer, I remember conversing with you on twitter on another one of your contrarian articles; waffling here and there is your usual form of defence for your relentless bullcrap.

    Why cant you remain a genuine critic of Islam and talk about the REAL controversial ideas (like gender roles, jihad etc.), you could still make loads of cash; instead you continue running your mouth with hysterical articles about criminals whose motivations have never even been stated to be Islam (contrary to your blabber). This is besides the fact that orthodox ‘jihadist’ muslims would be against such people anyway since they’d be seen as breaking a ‘covenant’ of security with the state by breaking the law.

    • kikorikid says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 5:38 pm

      Ameer, How about summary execution for child rapist?
      The recidivism rate would be very, very low and little cost
      for upkeep. Tell you what. When this is uncovered in America
      you will see a response that is not founded in Dhimmitude.
      You will not like it but no one gives a shit what you think.
      I have no doubt that it will occur. I just wonder how that
      “Superiority Complex” will feel when the horse is kicked
      out from their feet? Simply put, Americans of ALL ilk have
      a very protective perspective on the safety of our Children
      and will act on it. OR, We could prosecute and throw you
      in a prison. Like that better than Summary? Think again,
      Bubba. Some very bad men in our prisons will rip your
      Pedophile ass apart and then kill you. If the Men in the UK
      have lost their will to protect their Women and Children
      that is their cowardly loss. Your Muslim arrogance will
      not let you stop at a “Warning”. Go ahead, reap the wind!

    • don vito says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 6:30 pm

      At first glance, your remark seems to be utter and complete nonsense. Second and third glances don’t help.

    • Jen says

      Oct 18, 2014 at 8:53 pm

      Orthodox jihadist Muslims are only part of the problem. What about the rest of them that internalize an unhealthy attitude toward women because of their religion? ‘Moderates’ don’t deserve to escape this, sorry. Are these men ‘moderates’? I’m sure that some of this disgusting behaviour is to do with satisfying themselves and not because of thoughts of jihad, running through their minds in every waking moment. But so what? Islam as a religion seems to attract followers who are mentally disturbed. They are both disgusting pedophiles in their own right AND Muhammad emulators. Why is Muhammad’s example so attractive to so many of these men? Criminal behaviour is glorified in Islam like no other religion.

      Non-Muslims don’t care about orthodox Muslims ‘covenant’ of security. We don’t care about the technicalities that Muslims find so important. Rape gangs are rape gangs. I watch the Muslims on internet forums arguing with one another about whether ISIS is truly Islamic. I notice, they fight over minor differences, but all in all, the result is the same. They aren’t opposed to ISIS. They’re just opposed to some of ISIS’s style of going about it. Will a rape gang have a different outcome on its victims because one rape gang followed Islam perfectly, and the other one deviated slightly off the path? Nope. I’m sure the raped girls don’t care. All the core ideas about women and young girls still come from Islam though.

      • Ameer Al-Aziz says

        Oct 18, 2014 at 10:45 pm

        Excuse me, you pontificating on some vague ‘criminal behavior’ that you believe Islam promotes ‘like no other religion’ is laughable. Please tell me again where the age of consent is stated in the Bible? That’s right, there is none, neither in the Old nor New Testament. I don’t know what the ‘example of Muhammad’ has to do with this, his marriages were of a great variety; his first wife was 15 years older than him and all of his wives (except Aisha) were either divorcees or widows. We can’t take all these age ranges simultaneously as ideals, unless there’s a deep seated cognitive dissonance within your head (much like most commenters on jihadwatch).

        As for ISIS (which is off topic but ill comment on this just for clarity) it is true many sunni muslims weren’t seeing much to ‘condemn’ from an Islamic perspective at first ; but as the months went by a whole list of sins have discredited them in the eyes of any educated muslim – the slaughter of sunni clerics who critique isis, the murder of peaceful aid workers who’s sense of security was betrayed, the kangaroo courts, the absence of much of what qualifies as a ‘state’..the list goes on.

        • Jen says

          Oct 18, 2014 at 11:27 pm

          HAHAHA ‘vague criminal behaviour’ — because it’s just a one-off right?

          Tell me. Answer me, as to why they targeted young British girls- non-Muslims- and not their own Muslim girls. Was that deliberate? You know the answer.

          Answer me as to why SO MANY women have had the same observation about Muslim men and their behaviour as myself. Look it up. You’ll find this is commonly expressed. Where did it come from, this opinion? Does it have foundation in reality? Or just Islamophobic, is it? You know the truth. Muslim women know this too, whether they want to accept it or not. They make excuses for it, but there’s no excuse.

          The Bible? Jesus was not a pedophile. Muhammad was a pedophile, a rapist and mass murderer. Do Christians follow a mass murderer, rapist and pedophile as a ‘prophet’? Why would anyone like that deserve respect?

          To agree that Muhammad is worthy of respect, indicates the rotten filth that must be inside your own heart and mind. No sane person would accept that kind of behaviour from anyone, let alone call him a prophet from God. What is wrong with you?

          There is a link between Islam and criminal behaviour. Deny it all you like. Won’t stop it from being true.

        • don vito says

          Oct 18, 2014 at 11:40 pm

          Your post about your religious leader is very amusing. The part about the perps wives some of whom were widowed, caught my interest. How many of these so called wives were widowed. How did these widows becomes widows? Except for widows and the child how many marriages were freely consented to by the perp’s betrothed? I believe the first marriage was.

        • Jen says

          Oct 19, 2014 at 1:43 am

          Ameer,

          “O Prophet, fear Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites.” Qur’an 33:1

          So if the law of the country is not Islamic because it was created by ‘disbelievers’ like those in the UK, then what? Can Muslims decide to dismiss these laws and follow their own Islamic laws, just as they have been doing? Of course they can, because they see themselves as being above the law. As these people do here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

          Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad. Muhammad had sex slaves. There are verses in the Qur’an which are devoted to letting Muslim men know that they’re allowed to keep sex slaves too. Is sexual slavery a crime in the non-Islamic UK? (hint: yes). These young girls were sex slaves to these savages.

          ISIS, jihad, gender roles, and sexual slavery are all branches that stem from one tree. They all lead back to Islam. Robert Spencer’s blog post is completely on-topic.

          It might be more “comfortable” for you to expect Robert to discuss only certain corners of Islam like gender roles, and ignore the rest. Which “REAL” “controversial” ideas are you talking about?

          Is stoning women to death for adultery (and for being raped in some even more disturbing instances), not controversial? What about sexual slavery?

          Should we focus on only “real” controversial issues which “moderate” Muslim women have a problem with, because these issues interfere with them being *modern* Muslim women?

          They want to be *Muslim* women, but yet they hate the backward attitudes taught in Islam which prevent them from leading a life full of opportunity. But at the same time, they don’t want critics of Islam to dig TOO deep, because it exposes the ugliest parts of their religion which they want to keep hidden or live in denial about.

          You can’t have it both ways. To discuss gender roles in Islam, you need to open Islam up and expose every corner of it.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 19, 2014 at 9:52 am

          ” … as the months went by a whole list of sins have discredited them in the eyes of any educated muslim – the slaughter of sunni clerics who critique isis, the murder of peaceful aid workers who’s sense of security was betrayed … ”

          I notice you don’t mention the slaughter of *Christians*, or *Yazidis* – just sunni ‘clerics’. And the murder of ‘peaceful aid workers’ ? This would be Alan Hening, who had ‘converted’ to your filthy cult, so his ”sense of security was betrayed”. Nothing to say about the *journalists* , who had their heads sawn off ?

          You make me sick, mohammedan. For God’s sake, stop rationalising evil, and shake off this foul cult, which is in the process of destroying your knowledge of the natural law, and the basic humanity you were born with.

        • bernie says

          Oct 24, 2014 at 8:39 am

          Whether not or the Bible, the Quran, the Book of Mormon or any other religious text gives an explicit “age of consent” is beside the point. We know from modern ethics, psychology, child development studies and so on that there is a definite imbalance of power between a pre-pubescent child and a grown adult.

          Thus, most advanced countries outlaw pedophilia, and also require a girl to be at least age 15 or 16 to get married with her parents’ approval, or age 18 or 19 to do so totally of her own free will.

          I don’t know whether or not Muhammad really did have relations with Aisha when she was only nine. If he did, then it’s true that we cannot judge him (or similar-acting Jews or Christians of that era) as harshly as he would be judged in most advanced countries today.

          The point is that there are many Muslims in the world today who believe that he did indeed do that, and who also believe that this is an example worth emulating, despie all evidence to the contrary.

      • Jen says

        Oct 18, 2014 at 11:44 pm

        And Ameer?

        You don’t enter the kingdom of heaven through killing people in Christianity. What about in Islam? What’s the reward in Islam? Is that not glorifying criminal behaviour?

        Murder is the greatest of sins. Almost all of humanity, are unified on this matter. What about in Islam?

        Allahu akbar as they say.

        • Ameer Al-Aziz says

          Oct 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm

          This is where your real cluelessness is showcased. Because everyone who even bothers keeping up with the news knows these grooming gangs knows that they have targeted pakistani muslim girls as much as non muslim girls (eg Rizwana Bashir). So whats an islamic lawyer like you going to say in their defence now?

          You frankly sound like you’ve been living in the attic, I dont know why you cant step out the house more often and get some help from your local muslim accountant. Oo is he going to frighten you? What are you 10 years old? These are the social skills of a mental defect. But then its remedials like you who frequent badly formatted websites like jihadwatch, so not much surprise there.

          The Prophet Muhammad never had sexual relations with a pre-pubertal child, and his marriage with Aisha was socially acceptable then as it was in many parts of the world (including europe) for centuries. So get off your high horse and pointing the stick of moral relativism at our Prophet when you know the age of consent was never fixed throughout the ages.

          And quit bringing irrelevant debates about whether the Prophet’s wars constitute mass murder or not, stay on topic. Or are you too hysterical to attempt that?

        • Ameer Al-Aziz says

          Oct 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm

          So I take it you dont really care about men being stoned to death, eh? Typical crypto feminist.

          What Islam does or doesnt allow under an islamic society is an irrelevant debate when it comes to these criminals, because every educated muslim (including your hated Anjem Choudary) would be against these people on the islamic basis that they broke their ‘covenant’ with the state by breaking the law.

    • bernie says

      Oct 23, 2014 at 6:01 am

      Ameer: you say that Anjem Choudary would probably condemn the Pakistani rape gangs in Britain for “breaking the convenant” and disobeying the law of the land.

      I don’t know about that. A few weeks ago he was on an interview with a FOX news anchor, and instead of saying, “Testing, 1, 2, 3…” to test the sound, he said, “9/11” and several other dates associated with Islamist terror attacks. When the host challenged him on this, Mr Choudary chided the host for “not having a sense of humor.”

      Well, the 9/11 hijackers/terrorists broke “the convenant of the state” and committed a horrendous crime, did they not? And here Mr. Choudary is, making light of the attack. I suppose though, he’d try to justify it by saying, “Well, the U.S. generally supports Israel, and most of the dead were kuffars”, etc.

      I’m sure the Pakistani rape gangs tried to justify their own sickening crimes by reasoning, “These are mostly non-Muslim girls; the kuffar laws of Britain don’t rightfully bind us; the Brits used to colonize us (forget about Hindus, Sikhs and other non-Muslims who were also colonized in India) the Quran permits sex slavery” , etc.

  16. Jayell says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    “The celebrity abuse cases were so huge because they are CELEBRITIES.” And that is precisely why they were singled out for a witch hunt.
    “The Muslim paedophile racket was not publicised because of the nature of the perpetrators”…..which is why the they needed a smoke screen, because once the cases came to court, all the information surrounding the cases would be in the public domain, a potential disaster for the Politically Correct Establishment. The only easy ‘official’ way to stop this would be to place reporting restrictions. Then people would start asking questions which would find their way onto the uncontrolled internet, a development which would quickly prove equally disastrously counter-productive. So the ‘clever’ way around it would be to create a well-publicised diversion using well-known ‘respectable’ indigenous celebrity figures as fall-guys where some kind of ‘evidence’ of sexual misconduct (which would have to date back ages!) could be trawled by fair means or foul to, as it were, ‘tar them with the same brush’ as the muslim gangs who, in turn, would therefore appear to be ‘not so bad after all’ in the gullible public eye. The absence or down-playing of the reporting of muslim paedophile gang cases would therefore either not be noticed or would be accepted as somehow ‘reasonable’ in the deviously contrived circumstances, even though the wide differences in gravity between the published facts of the cases (paedophile gangs versus ‘celebrities’) apparently escape the attention of the public! Readers in the UK will be aware of the latest episode in this ongoing travesty, where rumours began to be publicly circulated about a very well-known and well-loved (and highly unlikely) pop singer at just the same time as the Rotherham business was about to surface. The genie escaped the bottle on this one, however, and attention has now turned to destroying the Police chief and Social Service personnel involved (not much mention of the gangs, though!). The pop singer seems to have disappeared from the lime light for some reason. Isn’t that strange?

  17. Dave J says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Islam is popular with brutish uneducated males who want permission to act on their depraved and perverted base instincts. This explains why Muslimism is by far the most popular “religion” to convert to among the criminal class.

    Judging by both the photos (apish appearance, dead eyes) and the wild, irrational speech of these people there is a genetic component involved. The thought of this being spread by breeding success and the consecutive rape of non-Muslims is revolting.

  18. Jay says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    The Britains are so weak they will not even defend their own children. It’s astounding they were able to find he courage to hold out against Hitler’s siege for that long with no spine…

    • pumbar says

      Oct 19, 2014 at 1:51 am

      Many “Britains” did speak about it but were threatened by their managers or hounded by the authorities. I wonder how long your literate and articulate spine would last out?

  19. wildflower says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Its happening in Minnesota too. Why isn’t he droning on about how insane dhimmi America is finished. He CANNOT seriously be this warped out of all proportion because he was denied entry to a country.

    His own country threw him out of his job in counter terrorism, his own country has huge islamic problems and massive infiltration problems, but it’s only Britain that he spews constant contempt and spite for. WOW, that’s a personal problem I think.

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Oct 19, 2014 at 12:55 am

      Robert Spencer does write about “dhimmi America”. You should read the blog more often!

      The US does not have “huge islamic problems” yet, but Britain does! Robert doesn’t invent the stories for his articles. Things that we do not want happening in the west, are ACTUALLY happening in UK on a near daily basis. Heck we have not heard much coming out from even Pakistan lately! And THAT is why he writes about UK so much.

      I don’t think I agree with your claim of Robert spewing “constant contempt and spite” for Britain, but let me ask you why should anyone respect the men of a nation who can’t even save their girls from a bunch of inbred retards?

      • pumbar says

        Oct 19, 2014 at 1:55 am

        Because the British believe in the rule of law. It takes a lot for us to become a mob, overthrow our police force and rise against our government. We like to think that the law is working and that the current crop of incompetents in Parliament can be replaced at the next election. We’re not French for heaven’s sake.

        • Know Thy Enemy says

          Oct 19, 2014 at 2:30 am

          The laws are not sacred. The purpose for which those laws were made, it is those purposes that are important. If the laws fail to serve those purpose, then those laws become shackles rather than assets.

          I am not saying that UK has bad laws. The UK obviously has multiple problems (including PC-ism, corruption among the elites, lack of respect for law among Muhammadans etc.) and it is these problems that are making things so dysfunctional in that country.

          I am not a Christian but read a quote from NT “Woe to you who are rich for you have received your consolation.” I don’t know what Christians believe regarding this verse but it occurred to me that there is a general meaning in the verse. The Islamorealists of Britain are rich in the consolation that they are great followers of the rule of law. That is why Britain is suffering a ‘woe’.

          The Islamorealists need to dump their richness, become poor, and start over when it comes to figuring out what their relationship should be when it comes to law of land and why.

        • pumbar says

          Oct 19, 2014 at 7:37 am

          I agree, and we will. But just don’t expect us to dump hundreds of years of the rule of law and immediately go out burning things down and killing people. We just don’t do that. We are some of the most implacable people in the world (look at our civil war) but we don’t dump our traditions until we are at the point of no return. We’re almost there, just not quite yet.

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Oct 19, 2014 at 1:08 am

      @ wildflower Ok it was not right of me to disrespect British men since the fact of the matter is that we can defeat Islam only if we help each other any way we can. The non-British need to provide whatever sound and practical ideas we can to the British, and the British Islamorealists need to work towards implementing those ideas. As hopeless as things may seem in Britain, it is only by working together that Britain can be saved from Muhammadans and the useful idiots who support them.

  20. abad says

    Oct 18, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    Dear United Kingdom:

    You need to round up these Muslims and deport them. And some more advice free of charge – shut your borders.

  21. gp says

    Oct 19, 2014 at 12:24 am

    God forbid we offend muslim rape gangs (or murderers or jihadists), let’s just hand them the keys to the city , maybe the mayor of Rotherham, Barry Dodson, did nothing about these muzzi rape gangs because of he was fighting his own sexual abuse charges? According to the link below, he resigned earlier this year.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28319557

  22. pumbar says

    Oct 19, 2014 at 1:57 am

    Those files would’ve been backed up onto tape somewhere. I’m pretty sure the incompetent heads of that council would not be technically savvy enough to know it either. Someone needs to have a word with that council’s IT department.

  23. Kitty224 says

    Oct 20, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    I know that this goes on all over the UK because I’ve been the victim of atrocities committed by Muslims several times. Police do nothing because of political correctness – instead they are trying to brand me as this “violent, abusive madwoman” that goes round “beating up and raping men”. I’m currently awaiting arrest and am losing my job over this. Just how a 6 stone girl like me is supposed to run around doing all these things is beyond me. That’s the UK for you. And yes, Muslims go for the vulnerable – in my case because I don’t have family to protect me.

    • Jayell says

      Oct 21, 2014 at 4:36 am

      “I know that this goes on all over the UK because I’ve been the victim of atrocities committed by Muslims several times. Police do nothing because of political correctness…..” I think you’re in good company there. A young acquaintance of mine who was staying with us suffered a violent car-jacking at the hands of a gang of three muslims, and RIGHT OUTSIDE MY HOUSE (in a ‘very nice’ area)! The three characters in question (not from the area) were observed hanging around on a street corner in a ‘kind of suspicious’ manner but had disappeared when I went to look for them. They were obviously watching for a likely victim because when my young acquaintance drove up in his car and got out they were on to him in a flash, attacked him viciously and drove off in his car. The police were able to track the car via their system of closed-circuit street cameras and the business ended with a chase at the end of which culprits deliberately crashed the car and ran off (they could have just absconded without the drama? Or would that have been too civilised?). Islamic articles were found in the car after the crash, so that’s how we know they were muslims. No outrage of this kind had occurred in my area before or since this one. The culprits had the nerve to stop in a filling station on a main road a few miles away and they were caught on the station’s CCTV, yet the police said they didn’t have enough evidence against them!!! As far as I know these three are still on the loose and have probably repeated their act. Another incident occurred on the street outside a tube station in a known ‘muslim area’ not far from here. A young (English) woman was surrounded by a group of 7 or 8 ‘Asian’ men who harassed her and committed a minor sexual assault before being interrupted by other passers-by. She complained to a police officer, who allegedly strenuously dissuaded her from taking the matter further since (quote) ‘She’d have to stand up in court and give evidence against them’. This matter was not taken further and did not find its way into the local paper but was reported (with details) on an internet site – which is where I found it. Has anyone else got any other interesting stories?

      • Kitty224 says

        Oct 21, 2014 at 6:11 am

        Jayell, that mirrors my experience! I’ve been through the horror of having to find out that my socalled ex”husband” only married me to get a visa to the UK, and him turning abusive – and now claiming that it was me that allegedly beat him up regularly, raped him, held him as a slave, trafficked him etc etc. I also had to find out that he’s involved with terrorism. When I called police initially because he had physically assaulted me, they were clearly biased in his favor right from the start because he’s Muslim. They refused to even note down that he had been physically violent! They forced me to sign a document saying it was “just a verbal argument”, telling me if I insist that it was physical assault then it would be ME that would get arrested! I then went to hospital and had my injuries documented and called police back, insisting on pressing charges. When the officers came, they spent alltogether at least one hour trying to persude me NOT to press charges – saying things like “your injuries are not that bad, you are not half dead, you are just an angry woman wanting revenge, forget about it and move on with your life”! (can you imagine them saying that if my attacker had been white British…?). They eventually grudgingly took my statement but conveniently did not mention my injuries. Sure enough, he was let off with no further actions – not so much as a warning. This despite evidence of my injuries. He however then claimed that I had been abusing him regularly, raping him, holding him as a slave, trafficking him, conspiring to kill people etc (disgustingly enough, this is what happened to ME at the hands of Muslims – he even went so far as to use my own experiences against me!!!). He’s claiming this as, according to current immigration laws in the UK, anyone claiming to be the victim of domestic violence is guaranteed to get indefinite stay and a British pssport. Police believe him despite there obviously being no evidence as he’s lying. They ignore the fact that he’s also involved with terrorism and obtained his visa through fraud and deception. As they are believing him his false allegations, they are now investigating me and making sure they get as much “evidence” against me as possible – by for example going to my STALKER (!!!) to ask for a character reference for me!!! Needless to say, the stalker does not portray me in a truthful light but uses the chance to claim that I am this “deranged, abusive madwoman”! So police now believe this and portray me as this “abusive, dangerous madwoman” that apparently goes round beating up and raping men. I’m now waiting to get arrested and fully expect – as a result of this fake evidence – to get convicted. I am also in the process of losing my job of eleven years over this. I have lost friends over this as several people think “there must be some truth to it if the police believe that”. People avoid me in the street (though not the ones that really know me). I have no explanation as to why police refuse to investigate him with regards to the violence against me, the terrorism involvement and the fraudulent visa aquirement – but instead investigate me, the victim – and not just this but they are trying their very best to make it look as if I am indeed this “violent, abusive, dangerous madwoman”! Well, actually I do know why – because he’s Muslim… (by the way when I met him he claimed not to follow Islam – at the time I didn’t know about al taqiyya). He’s now here in the UK – on welfare benefits of course, harassing me over the phone and laughing at me because he got away with his devious plan – with full support from police, Home Office etc – whereas I have lost everything and will now end up in prison and therefore have my entire life destroyed. (he actually used to laugh at me before he left that he could easily destroy my whole life and that the authorities would believe him and that he could make them believe that I was the criminal). I never knew how right he was… So here’s me now, desperately trying to recover from the emotional shock of having to find out that my marriage was nothing but a lie, also trying to recover from the extreme physical and emotional abuse he inflicted on me, trying to recover from the financial loss (I lost all my life savings because of him), trying to cope with losing my job of eleven years – but not enough with this, I will soon get arrested and end up in prison. Me, the victim of Muslim atrocities. That’s political correct UK for you.

        • Jayell says

          Oct 21, 2014 at 10:30 am

          Sorry, Kitty234, my heart does ABSOLUTELY NOT go out to you. Everyone in this country has had every reason to be aware of the values of their own cultural background and all females in this country have long had virtually absolutely free choice to do as they please associate with whomever they please (or not associate as the mood takes them) ,and make their own marital decisions. It’s all part of our free, egalitarian (feminist influenced?) ethos. To put it bluntly, there must have been enough attractive and eligible young males of your own cultural background within your social circle with whom you could have chosen to associate for long-term purposes and would have been socially constrained to show you the standard of commensurate respect that you might reasonably expect within OUR society, yet YOU clearly chose for whatever reason to reject this in favour of some personal multicultural adventure without properly assessing the consequences. Maybe some kind of ‘romantic ideal’ without a shred of realistic substance to support it? You personally had the freedom to make you own bed, and you clearly took advantage of it. Now you lie on it. No sympathy whatever.

        • eric says

          Oct 21, 2014 at 11:29 am

          Jayell,
          I agree with you and I am so glad to finally connect with a person who has never made a mistake in his life. You don’t know diddly about this woman except she married outside of her race and social setting. You and I agree that it was a huge error, but she realizes and admits her poor decision. I am sympathetic and realistic about her situation. Perhaps you will rethink your hate filled comment and have a littloe room for tolerance if not sympathy.

  24. Jayell says

    Oct 21, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Hello Eric! I quote you….”You don’t know diddly about this woman except she married outside of her race and social setting.” No I do not know this woman apart from the fact that she has virtually presented her life story! I continue to quote you…..”You and I agree that it was a huge error, but she realizes and admits her poor decision. I am sympathetic and realistic about her situation. Perhaps you will rethink your hate filled comment and have a little room for tolerance if not sympathy”… Eric, YOU don’t know me. I’m afraid that I have a reputation for being quite coldly matter-of-fact, so ‘hate’ or any other such response does not come in the frame. Quite simply, the thing about ‘making huge errors’ and ‘poor decisions’ is the YOU DONT’ DO IT, end of. And if you do, you are responsible. That’s my point, pure and simple.

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