The witless dhimmi Brits are placing all their hopes for a peaceful future in these de-radicalization programs, as they are going to force British jihadists returning from the Islamic State to attend them. De-radicalization programs have been implemented elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Let’s look at how they fared. From the Jihad Watch archives:
11 ex-Gitmo prisoners flee the Saudi “rehabilitation program” and join up with terrorist groups
Jaw-dropper: 25 former Gitmo detainees “return to militancy” despite Saudi rehab program!
Flight 253 jihadist wasn’t cured by Saudi anti-jihad art therapy
Former Guantanamo detainee now top al-Qaeda ideologue — “He was transferred to Saudi Arabia in 2006 where he was placed in a national rehabilitation project.”
Indonesian government admits that its jihadist rehab program is a failure
The British government is living in a fool’s paradise.
“‘The UK Has Effectively Given Up Trying to Stop Jihadists From Being Created,'” Reuters, October 13, 2014 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
Mizanur Rahman laughs when he recalls the de-radicalization program he was sent on in 2008 after he was released from a British jail where he had served two years for inciting violence against British and American troops.
“I’d go there, I’d sign my name, play pool with some other radicals that I was in prison with and I’d go home,” said Rahman, arrested again last month on suspicion of terrorism offences. He denies wrongdoing and has not been charged.
The 31-year-old Londoner denounces his fortnightly de-radicalization sessions over a six-month period as a gimmick. It is a conclusion shared by many British politicians. For more than a decade Britain has tried and failed to prevent young Muslims becoming drawn to militant groups.
Interviews with several people with direct knowledge of these efforts highlight flaws including misdirected funds, poor communication and difficulties in identifying those most likely to turn to violence. At the forefront of Western countries’ efforts to prevent their citizens becoming radicalized, Britain may have lessons for others.
After the shock of 9/11, Britain adopted a two pronged approach to tackling radicalization. The first was to get tough with “preachers of hate” who whip up extremism. The second was to help Muslim leaders counter extremism among Britain’s 2.7 million Muslims.
But in 2010, the new Conservative government declared the second part of the programme, known as “Prevent”, a failure. Money was going to groups that were sometimes sympathetic to the extremist messages they were supposed to be countering, the government said, and other groups were neither effective nor value for money. Many Muslims, meanwhile, saw Prevent as a police-led spying exercise.
The emphasis has shifted to tough action – promises to strip British jihadis of their passports and stop radical preachers from speaking in public or using social media.
Having undertaken the “most significant domestic programme by any Western country to foster a moderate version of Islam and prevent radicalization,” said James Brandon, former head of research at the Quilliam Foundation, “the UK has effectively given up trying to stop jihadists from being created.”
RIPE FOR RADICALIZATION
Part of the difficulty is in identifying those who might launch attacks in Britain or be drawn to fight in Iraq or Syria.
A study by researchers at Queen Mary University lists the social groups most susceptible to extremism: people suffering from depression, those who are isolated and, surprisingly, those whose families have lived in Britain for several generations and are financially well off. The findings chime with other studies.
Religious ideology does not appear to be a major influencing factor. Many of those seeking to fight in Syria and Iraq have poor knowledge of Islam. They are motivated by images they have seen online or are lured by a sense of adventure.
“The idea that… a structured ideology is motivating these young men is actually quite untrue,” said Jahan Mahmood, a community worker from the central city of Birmingham. He has reason to know – the area where he works has one of the highest numbers of terrorism convictions in the UK….
This is fatuous nonsense designed to prevent non-Muslims in Britain from growing uneasy about Britain’s rapidly growing Muslim population. The sole evidence for the claim that “many of those seeking to fight in Syria and Iraq have poor knowledge of Islam” is the apparent fact that two of them bought copies of Islam for Dummies and The Koran for Dummies, which they may have done for any number of reasons.
Jovial Joe says
It’s the Islamic culture muslims grow up in which makes them feel alienated from their host nations which they are taught to despise as inferior; it’s not the host nations which are unwelcoming which then leads to a sense of isolation or marginalisation among muslim youth. The problem is Islam and the impossibility of its ever integrating into non-muslim cultures. The cure will either be mass apostatisation or at least a massively reformed islam or total war and Islam’s eventual destruction.
Saleem Smith says
“Mass Apostatisation” is the only feasible solution short of total war.
Islam cannot and will never be successfully reformed.
Because the supposedly “perfect” Qur’an says that Islam is the “perfect religion” (Q 005:003) “This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.”
And evil Muhammad the Islamic prophet is the model man for human behavior (Q 033:021) “There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.”
We ex-Muslims know that Islam is a lie.
http://quran.com/
Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
“One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…
The statement continues,
Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Wellington says
“Islam cannot and will never be successfully reformed.”
If only, Saleem, the bulk of the current Western elites fully understood and imbibed the oh-so-true statement which you wrote. But, sorrowfully, most of them won’t. Most will go on in foolish and despicable Obama/Cameron mode and so the West will end up paying a much higher penalty in life and limb and material resources because the current crop of Western elites are beyond pathetic; indeed, they have blood on their hands because of their continued refusal to see Islam for the extraordinary malevolence which it is. I actually blame them more than Islam itself because making excuses for evil gives evil a longer life than it would ordinarily have if it were seen as evil from the get-go.
Hope you and yours are doing well, Saleem. Always good to see your posts here at JW.
Bettina says
Wellington, your words instantly reminded me of how Germans failed to call out Nazi persecutions during the 30s before the genocidal monster rose to power.
wildjew says
“British parliament votes in favor of recognizing Palestine”
Bettina says
Where is that link, Wildman?
gerard says
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-mps-pass-symbolic-motion-palestinian-state-023905194.html#andoSMQ
Rugby 1 says
And I thought there “would always be an England.” To read that the brave people who fought the Battle of Britain and who stood almost alone in the face of tyranny – to see that they have caved in to fear and Islamist propaganda, breaks my heart. Churchill told you: “Never surrender.” And you forgot.
Mark says
Maybe not totally over for us yet. UKIP on the rise at 20% in the polls, people are starting to get fed up with a lot of things that are happening
Michael Copeland says
“DE-RADICALISATION” IS A JOKE
It is defined in the government’s “Prevent” strategy (a free download) as: “usually … activity … intended to effect … change”.
Note that this does not include any result. If the “activity” happens with the due intention that is all that is called for. If it does not happen, well, that is the less “usually”. Here it is:
“De-radicalisation usually refers to activity aimed at a person who supports terrorism and in some cases has engaged in terrorist related activity, which is intended to effect cognitive and/ or behavioural change leading to a new outlook on terrorism and/ or disengagement from it.”
This “activity” will, of course, require taxpayer funds (jizya).
https://www.facebook.com/LibertyGBParty/posts/622444627872653
Jen says
The disgusting Anjem Choudary says that Christians are flocking back to their hometown because they want to live under sharia law and yazidis are embracing Islam. He denies stories of them being slaughtered.
How does someone say that with a straight face after we’ve seen pictures of even children being crucified. What a scumbag. If a place such as hell really exists then he’s going there. All other serious Allah (Devil) worshipers too.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-britain-islamist-extremist-anjem-choudary-proves-elusive/2014/10/11/eb731514-4e43-11e4-8c24-487e92bc997b_story.html
Bettina says
We’re all with you, Jen! The grotesque chowderhead will be done waging his stealth jihad when he kicks the bucket. He relies on people’s unawareness or fear of hating to keep feeding them one grotesque lie after the other.
Beagle says
Newsweek and Reuters wrote that headline?! I assumed that was the RS take, but no.
It seems that some in the MSM have suddenly discovered most jihad is not an interior spiritual struggle focused on getting fit. Could be too late, but welcome to the party, pals.
Saleem Smith says
Islam is often called “the perfect religion of peace. ” Therefore it must be true!
killer koranski says
I like your numerous comments here at JW, Saleem S.
It must be hard living life as an ex-Muslim.
Take care of yourself my friend.
God knows the “true believers” would like to “take care” of you…
Champ says
Hey you remind me of someone …hmm, are you PJ?
killer koranski says
No I’m not.
Champ says
Ok, thank you! 🙂
Mirren10 says
Champ, has Mr Jihadski been banned ? If he has, do you know why ? Because I see his comments have been deleted.
Hope you are well, my American friend ! XX
Bettina says
I like this Koranski — can’t remember the pleasure of reading him in the past…
Bettina says
Off-topic, but since it’s about muslims and Israel, maybe it counts…
This, from a short article on Tunisian muslims trying to kidnap a 12-yo Jewish kid on the island of Djerba.
“Last week, the Tunisian newspaper Alshruk, began making strange claims that ISIS has been kidnapping Syrian and Iraqi children, transporting them to Turkey, and THEN SELLING THEM TO JEWS IN TEL AVIV at the rate of $10,000 a child.” Link to article:
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/arab-conspiracy-theory-preceded-kidnap-attempt-of-jewish-boy-in-djerba-video/2014/10/13/
DUPLICITOUS doesn’t begin to describe the insufferable stink of the muslim psyche, does it?
gerard says
“The idea that… a structured ideology is motivating these young men is actually quite untrue,”
said: Wait for it….Jahan Mahmood!!!!!
‘nuf sed.
R Cole says
I was over there reading a little of the:
Dabiq issue # 4 The Failed Crusade
Extremely seductive and plays on developing religious sentiment that is already held.
It is definitely an intelligent mind behind it.
For one it is not written in broken English.
Although they do cite as some kind of founder – Abū Mus’ab az-Zarqāwī [al-Zarqawi]- ‘member him – got bombed in Iraq – who before his jihad days was reportedly a known thug.
Part of the problem is that there is a reluctance to accept that there is a religious basis.
There has even been a shift in media tone – from saying – those parts are not Islam because ‘we’ don’t like them – to referring to ‘extreme’ forms of Islam.
If we turn it around – possibly the same thing is happening with the Islamophobia labeling – I’m talking about the non-Muslim self-proclaimed understanders of Islam – who seek to shut down all real discussion about Islam – by calling people racists, hateful and so on – but found increasingly that they were actually attacking the majority opinion. [Disastrous strategy if you want to get re-elected!]
Similarly – you can see articles trying to differentiate between the so-called two Islams – by calling one ‘hateful’ – thinking they are targeting the radical fringe – but in actuality they are attacking all of Islam.
If you listen to those like the right hand man of Bin Laden now in charge – the old Gaddafi – just as examples – they are tapping into deeply held Islamic sentiment – but without understanding this – their messages are disparaged as being radical.
It’s the tale of two messages
The kid listening – is thinking – that is what my uncle said, that is what my grandfather used to say – but now with the ‘radicals’ that same sentiment is being directed at attacking others / going to war /or for some other purpose – using the same ideas that were apart of the background noise that the young person has listened to all of their lives.
Like Lego!
The problem is in looking for the ‘radical’.
Look at a simplistic example – in North Africa they revere Spain – Al-Andalusia they say was once Islamic! The ‘radical’ guy – comes along and says let’s take over Spain.
These building blocks are already there.
It is therefore how there are constructed.
gerard says
What a vile photo! My only question is: What are they? Apes? Baboons? Some other yet unnamed creature?…
Charli Main says
Soul dead zombies, devoid of any humanity AKA Muslim cockroaches.
No Fear says
The only way to de-radicalise is to ban the Quran and Islam in all western countries. The radicals are following the example of Mohammed…..ban his handbook.
Michael Copeland says
There is no method of overseeing how the supposed deradicalising is working, or what it consists of, or whether it is happening at all.
See “Deradicalisation”
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/5744-deradicalisation
Richie says
Remember, the Brits think opposing Jihad is racist
GP says
Oye! What a ghastly looking crew pictured above! Like a B rated horror movie, and the evil lurking in their hearts is even more hideous.
gravenimage says
The UK has effectively given up trying to stop jihadists from being created
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More suicidal madness…