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Video: Robert Spencer interviews former member of Oklahoma beheader’s mosque

Oct 2, 2014 12:06 pm By Robert Spencer

On September 27 I broke the story that a former member of the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City had firsthand experience that the mosque was anything but “moderate.” On September 30, 2014, I interviewed a former member of the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, the mosque frequented by Jah’Keem Yisrael (Alexander Nolen), who beheaded one woman and attempted to behead another on September 26. The ex-member revealed that the mosque was not at all as “moderate” as its leaders claimed in the wake of the beheading.

Among the explosive revelations: Mosque members said that if Osama bin Laden showed up at the door and needed help, he would help him because he is a Muslim brother. Once this former member went target shooting AK-47’s with two other Muslim converts — the targets were labeled George W. Bush and Ariel Sharon. They were taught that Islam would dominate the world and for unbelievers there are three choices: conversion, subjugation under Islamic hegemony, or death. The ex-member got this straight from the “moderate” imam Suhaib Webb, now of the Islamic Society of Boston, the Tsarnaev brothers’ mosque.

Video thanks to Vlad Tepes.

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  1. KrazyKafir says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    I’m guessing this is the same man Megyn interviewed last night. Canada’s Sun TV has more guts than Fox can even imagine. If it wasn’t for Hannity it would be dismal.

    • mariam rove says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 2:29 pm

      If I am not mistaken he was on Fox last night with kelly Files as well. I think it is the same person. M

    • wildjew says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 5:52 pm

      Megyn Kelly, such a disappointment. Kelly and others interview what they pass off as experts on Islam who are a big let down. Why don’t they interview Spencer? Could it be they are afraid of Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal?

      Shoebat wrote: “….Conversely, Bin Talal is the second largest shareholder of Newscorp (Fox News parent organization). As such, the Saudi Prince has demonstrated an ability to influence how news is portrayed on Fox News Channel. For example, back in 2005, during coverage of Muslim riots in France, Fox News displayed a banner that identified the riots for what they were – “Muslim riots”.

      Bin Talal relayed what happened next, via Think Progress:

      “I picked up the phone and called Murdoch… (and told him) these are not Muslim riots, these are riots out of poverty. Within 30 minutes, the title was changed from Muslim riots to civil riots….

    • duh_swami says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 6:52 pm

      Hannity still has about 15-20 percent lacking. He can’t stop using the word radical, and he said ISIS hijacked the religion.
      He needs a little more work and he will be complete.

      • Tradewinds says

        Oct 3, 2014 at 7:17 am

        Good Grief. Who still says Islam has been “hijacked?” Get with the program, Hannity. You’re way WAY out of date. Also, jettison the word “radical.” Islam is inherently radical so stop being redundant. What’s wrong with these people?

  2. Robert Spencer says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Yes, it is the same guy. They contacted me to find him.

    • Beagle says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 2:38 pm

      I thought he might be the same guy, but assumed you’d at least get a mention or appearance if Megyn was going to use your source.

      Hey, FNC, let Robert Spencer speak! He’s banned in Britain. That’s so cool.

      • wildjew says

        Oct 2, 2014 at 6:00 pm

        Megyn Kelly does not want to lose her job. That’s what I am thinking. She loves her American novelist husband but not enough to risk losing her job.

  3. Michael Copeland says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    “What is the future in Syria for the minorities?
    “Okay, they have three choices, either they became a Muslim,
    or they have to pay the jizya, or to be killed.”
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/4402-islam-the-learning-curve?

  4. Bradamante says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    What a fascinating interview, and a brave man for speaking out. I’m glad he was willing to do this. It should be heard by more people.

  5. Bezelel says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    There must be some sort of legal charge for the mosks (spelling intentional) Conspiracy, rico, something.

    • Beagle says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 2:05 pm

      Actually yes. I’ve thought about it a lot. One could pile up charges based on Islam itself as a criminal conspiracy. Won’t happen, but it is possible.

      Starting with death penalties. You can’t go around setting death penalties for things on your own. Islam has countless death penalties. This is gang related activity in other contexts which could be charged many different ways. Islam is also a ‘hate group’. This statute for example:

      http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0874/0874.html

      says this:
      “Hate group” means an organization whose primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against a person or persons or against the property of a person or persons because of race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or national origin.
      — —

      Once you’ve studied Islam enough you realize it fits perfectly under that definition. Islam divides the world between Muslims and others. Islam wages eternal war on the Dar al-Harb. Only Muslims are ‘safe’ under Islam, and not even Muslims.

      The beginning of 48.29 makes it clear Islam is a hate group. Not to say only 48.29 does that obviously. There is a lot more.

      “48.29
      Sahih International
      Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves.”
      — —
      And of course by “forceful” we know about forced conversion, sex slavery, beheading, mutilation, and so forth.

      The struggle in Allah’s cause (“jihad fi sabeel Allah” – the primary purpose of Islam) to make all religion for Allah, to force people under sharia, and to kill all others who oppose Islam is also hate group or gang activity. It could be charged as numerous felonies when people act upon it. But not just then because of the constant threats of death. As I said, unless you are a Muslim, don’t try threatening numerous death penalties for your neighborhood or family if they choose to think the wrong way or leave the neighborhood.

      You won’t get away with it. But then, you aren’t Islam, the exception to every rule it seems.

      But there’s the rub, “[o]nce you’ve studied Islam enough”. In the real world, the JD, DHS, and so on are not even permitted to look at such things. Not that anyone wants to anyway due to mere lack of curiosity, under penalty of “Islamophobia”, or worse, “head carved off”.

      • Bezelel says

        Oct 2, 2014 at 6:01 pm

        Thank you for the link and the counsel. I read Pamela Geller’s comment before that the koran should be expunged of the offending parts. I don’t see that happening here but I read an article about Russia refusing to allow some islamic literature go to print(may have been koran I can’t remember) due to content that the government took issue with. I do see the gang connection and the falsified documents section has husseins name all over it.

        • Bezelel says

          Oct 2, 2014 at 8:18 pm

          After reading the link Beagle posted, I’m inclined to call them something that implies a gangsters headquarters, anything but a religious building. As for muslim architecture let’s not forget ones like the Skull Tower, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower

    • Tradewinds says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 2:31 pm

      Oh yes spell the infernal Islam houses of hate MOSKS. And call the Muslims Mohammedans, or as duh swami uses, Mahoundians. They’re offended? WHO CARES? I don’t and neither should anyone else.

      • Bezelel says

        Oct 2, 2014 at 5:15 pm

        Tradewinds, my only concern about the spelling is that I don’t wish to be considered illiterate. Until I think of a more demeaning pseudonym, hopefully one even you might approve of, mosk will have to do.

        • duh_swami says

          Oct 2, 2014 at 6:57 pm

          You can use any word you want…We know what you mean…

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 2, 2014 at 7:17 pm

          The “mosk” spelling is not illiterate! In fact, some time ago I was looking over old cards and letters, deciding which to keep, and I read one from a long-time friend who was writing me from Princeton, where she was at school. She was commenting on my trip to (the former) Yugoslavia and said, “I’m sure there were many beautiful mosks there.” Yep – spelled mosks. She graduated from Princeton, so definitely not illiterate! After I re-read her letter that’s when I started using mosk and not mosque.

          Also, I don’t consider the spelling to be demeaning – it’s just phonetic. However, to the Mohammedans yes it might be demeaning but who cares.

          As for the “beautiful mosks” in Yugoslavia you can’t miss the mosks and minarets in Mostar. Also the Muslims, called Bosniaks. The Turks built the 16th century Old Bridge which Mostar is famous for and everyone walks across. The Croats bombed it during the Bosnian War but it’s been rebuilt. At that time I wasn’t interested in anything Islamic. I only became interested in Islam on September 11, 2001.

        • Bill says

          Oct 2, 2014 at 11:41 pm

          I have made a point of not capitalising islam related words as a sign of disrespect. So it’s muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jew etc.
          From the islamists point of view this would be deemed insulting. Good!
          So let’s write Jesus and mohammed.

          It’s a small gesture but would be very powerful if used by the majority of Non muslims. The emphasis being on Non.

        • Tradewinds says

          Oct 3, 2014 at 7:20 am

          Agree, Bill. Language is a powerful tool with which to do battle against the enemy.

  6. manuel-rafael says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    The need to use these jihadi throwbacks by their “christian and Islamic” names their race and all other pertinent information, is long overdue just as the “privileged” treatment of anything Islam’s preordained innocence not by the Constitution they despise but by the rules of probable cause, accessory to the fact, aid and comfort to the enemy, a hard thing to do with an “enemy combatant” sitting in the White House and answering to Qatar and Turkey.

  7. Walter Sieruk says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    One last time is need to be restated that what that murderous Muslim fiend, Jah keem Yisrael, did was heinous and terrible indeed. Moreover, the Islamic organization C.A.I.R ,in all fairness, do make some kind of half -hearted denouncement of his violence and murder. Nevertheless, C.A.I.R.’s denouncement also referred to that Islamic thugs as a “gentleman.” What an inappropriate word to use for the violent and deadly guy. A choice of such a word from C.A.I.R does says something about that group. Furthermore, the Quran does teach in 47:4. “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads…” That Muslim guy did cut off a woman’s head.

    • Tradewinds says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 2:34 pm

      “the Islamic organization C.A.I.R ,in all fairness, do make some kind of half -hearted denouncement of his violence and murder. ”

      So what? Deliberate lying to the infidel, al-Taqiyya, is a major part of Islam. I don’t believe one word a Mohammedan says.

    • Beagle says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 3:35 pm

      Of course CAIR would do that. They are in the early stealth jihad phase of conquest of the US. They know starting an all-out war with the citizens of the US would be a bad idea right now, especially in a place like Oklahoma. Versus the IS in Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria, et al. Both are practicing Islam the way it was intended.

      David Wood did a fantastic video on this very topic. If you want to help people understand both CAIR and IS and how they coexist under Islam, and that does seem confusing on its face, this is the best 24 minutes they could spend in that regard.

      http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/01/three-stages-of-jihad.html

  8. Walter Sieruk says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Of course the imams in every mosques will say many things to cover up the violence and killing that is very much a large part of Islam. As in Sura 9:111,112. This is the Islamic deception of the public which is known as Taqiyya. With all this information it’s very hard not to again think of what Thomas Paine has written in his book THE AGE OF REASON. Which reads “Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system.”

    • Tradewinds says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 2:38 pm

      “This is the Islamic deception of the public which is known as Taqiyya.”

      “War is deception.” – Muhammad.

      Do not believe one word a Muslim says. Esp the goons and thugs of cair, a terrorist organization that should be shut down by the U.S. government.

  9. Rob says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    When this period in the West’s history is written up (assuming any kind of scholarly activity is permitted), we will come back time and again to the Imams in Western mosques.
    We have taken at face value the desire of new migrants to build a place of worship and then get a preacher over from the old country to officiate.
    The West thought it would be no different with Muslims than it had been in days past for Sikhs or Presbyterians.
    Not so: The Imams found congregations in danger of slipping out of their influence and with no stomach for reformation, they preach an extreme view.
    It is made worse by refugees, because they arrive en masse. The migrants trickle in and are acclimatised to the plurality and opportunity of their new home and presumably are less susceptible to the Imams’ fervour.
    Add to this the sense of entitlement Muslims have and we get this toxic result.

  10. lebel says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    “. I don’t believe one word a Mohammedan says.”

    That would presumably include this man whom Mr. Spencer interviewed.

    • SaturnV says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 4:40 pm

      But, this man is an islamic apostate. He has renounced the teachings of muhammad and would not be expected to be lying, or practicing taqiya.

      • Tradewinds says

        Oct 2, 2014 at 4:53 pm

        Exactly. He’s no longer a Muslim.

        • lebel says

          Oct 2, 2014 at 5:49 pm

          Doesn’t taqqiya allow you to fake apostasy? Lie is what the Muslims do, can you show me where it says that a Muslim cannot lie and say that he no longer believes in Islam only to get the naive infidel’s trust?

      • duh_swami says

        Oct 2, 2014 at 7:03 pm

        lebel

        If you have some evidence that this man is a fake apostate spewing taqiyya please post it…It would seem that telling the truth as he knows it, is an odd kind of taqiyya.

    • voegelinian says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 7:10 pm

      Yes, all Muslims and ex-Muslims should be suspect (the former absolutely, the latter reservedly); however, what would be the end game of this particular apostate to impugn the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City and the supposed “moderate” imam Suheib Webb?

    • Jen says

      Oct 2, 2014 at 7:57 pm

      @lebel
      I don’t think there would be too much point in lying about being apostate here. Exposing the actual views of the mosques which try to keep this information hidden would do nothing for their public relations. It would make them more of a target for authorities who might decide to scrutinize the mosque-goers and that could hinder their activities.

  11. mortimer says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    What? three choices? conversion, subjugation under Islamic hegemony, or death?

    Suheib Webb is ‘moderate’ compared with whom?

  12. duh_swami says

    Oct 2, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    Well, Abu…I ain’t going to convert, join up, or do the shahada tango. And Abu, I ain’t paying you any taxes. And Abu you ain’t going to do anything about it. If you try, I will explain to you in depth what kufr really means.

  13. Semeru says

    Oct 3, 2014 at 3:31 am

    Bezelel said
    As for muslim architecture let’s not forget ones like the Skull Tower,

    And here are a few more

    A Monument from the Battle of Djerba 1560 A.D.
    http://goo.gl/o7Y72v

    If you take a look in the left hand corner of the image above of the Battle of Karnel, you will see a tower of skulls
    http://goo.gl/bH2KVZ

    Beheaded Skulls Minarett’ raised by Akbar’s army after_2nd Battle of Panipat
    http://goo.gl/UpyOV0

    Another tower of skulls being built
    http://goo.gl/czL3tI

    And this illustration puts a whole meaning to the Five Pillars of Islam
    http://goo.gl/Y4SVsx

  14. Semeru says

    Oct 3, 2014 at 4:02 am

    Here is another account of the five pillars at Mount Sevelund

    http://goo.gl/GzuNJs

    If you read further it has some interesting things about dogs

  15. R Cole says

    Oct 3, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    It is the ex-Muslims who can fill in the details – that practicing Muslims desperately wish to keep hidden.

    I don’t know why there is not more reliance on those who have left Islam.

    Everything about the Islamic message that Muslims say – should be double checked.

    Every word investigated.

    Unless it is from one of the radicals – but for a less risky option – the media should always have a former Muslim seated – in any debate on Islam – to counterbalance the pro-Islam Muslim position.

    So many things said about Islam – go unchallenged – it can look at times a little like religious proselytization. And it seems to fit in tidily with the religious belief [shari’a] that Islam should go unchallenged.

    Naturally, because apostates from Islam are almost universally imprisoned or even sentenced to death in the Islamic world – one should expect some opposition – namely from Muslim guests – who may personalize the ex-Muslim’s appearance as being traitorous — and though they may steer clear of the obvious ‘racist’ Islamophobe’ name calling – may call them everything else -to prevent their taking part in any debate on the subject.

    Besides fear for their lives – or family – the ex-Muslim would not have the same incentive to protect Islam – would have less barriers to speaking honestly about the religion – in a way that a practicing Muslim trying to project a moderate image – simply could not.

  16. Sunshine says

    Oct 3, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    CANADA’S RCMP – And to think that my RCMP works and trusts the mosque leaders. It terrifies me.

    My RCMP is so brainwashed and politically-correct indoctrinated, it’s dangerous. In the past few years, I called them to report two disquieting issues of which one was had been reported to me.

    The first: an imam from an influential mosque that confirmed on the French CBC that women should be stoned. Response from the RCMP: the individual tried to convert me to Islam for 20 minutes. I was floored

    Second event: a four-story ‘residential’ building in the middle of nowhere. A guy I know got the paint contract job for the hallways. He told me only two apartments had people in them, nikabees, all was always very quiet, and other apartments not rented with no sign ‘for rent’.

    Worse, at least four working cameras at the corner stair angle of every floor.

    I thought this was worth calling about. The RCMP officer told me I was RACIST.

    At least the FBI has more brains.

  17. dred says

    Oct 4, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    why not make a law that the mosque where a terrorit gets his/her indoc about Islam gets shut down and its imams be responsible for their member’s terrorist actions, how ’bout that accountability!!!

    • wildjew says

      Oct 4, 2014 at 6:59 pm

      Why not destroy (bulldoze) the mosque and deport the imam along with all the members of the mosque? Is that too harsh?

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