He had Sharia lessons. He studies the Qur’an. His mother spends much of her time studying the Qur’an. But according to the government and media elites in the West, he completely misunderstands Islam. This fatuous idiocy would be easier to dismiss if so much foreign and domestic policy weren’t based upon it.
“Islamic State crisis: The 13-year-old on ‘righteous path,'” by Mark Lowen, BBC News, November 6, 2014 (thanks to Jason):
In a cramped living room in southern Turkey, a 13-year-old boy is training to join Islamic State.
As he welcomes us in, he appears a regular, happy-looking child: his hair is ruffled, his smile beaming, he wears a grey, hooded sweater.
But as we sit down to talk, he heads next door to change, returning in a black balaclava and military-style camouflage top.
He wants to be known as “Abu Hattab”.
Born in Syria, he was first radicalised last year, joining the jihadist group Sham al-Islam.
‘Behead them’He had Sharia lessons and learned how to use weapons, proudly showing us pictures in which he takes aim with machine guns.
Now he spends his days online, watching jihadist videos and chatting on Facebook to IS fighters.
Within weeks, he says, he’ll go to the IS stronghold of Raqqa in Syria to become a young jihadi soldier.
“I like Islamic State because they pursue Sharia and kill infidels, non-Sunnis and those who converted from Islam,” he says.
“The people killed by Islamic State are American agents. We must behead them as Allah said in the Koran.”
I ask whether he has disclosed his age to those to whom he talks online.
“At the start, I didn’t,” he says.
“But recently I told them – and now they contact me even more, sending me photos and news.”
But why not simply enjoy his childhood, I ask?
“I don’t want to go out with friends or have fun. Allah ordered us to work and fight for the next life – for paradise. Before, I went to the park or the seaside.
“But then I realised I was wrong – and I’ve taken the righteous path.”
‘Evil powers’His family now lives in Turkey – so would he launch an attack here, or in Britain for example?
“Britain should be attacked because it’s in Nato and is against Islamic State,” he says, “but we would kill only those who deserve it. If they ask me to attack Turkey and give me a holy order, I would do it. Soon the West will be finished.”
At home, he and his mother, who wants to be known as Fatima, lead a devout life.
She spends much of her time studying the Koran and admits strong sympathies for the militants.
Last year, she sent her son for training with Sham al-Islam – but denies brainwashing him.“I never encouraged him to join Islamic State,” she insists.
“I support some of their beliefs but not others. But I think they came to help the Syrian people – unlike the evil powers around the world.”
‘Future leader’If she’s not encouraging him, I ask, what is she doing to stop her son losing his childhood to extreme violence?
“I can’t stop him if he wants to fight,” she says.
“War makes children grow up fast. I want him to become a future leader – an emir.”
Steadily her voice grows in intensity, her eyes narrowing in anger above the scarf she uses to cover her face.
“I would not be sad if he killed Westerners. I’m ashamed that my other sons are working peacefully for civil society groups – they must take up arms.”
How would she feel, I ask, if he dies fighting for Islamic State?She pauses. “I would be so happy,” she replies, before bowing her head to cry….
Mo says
Demonic little monster.
john spielman says
yes, and they blow up so fast these days!
Mo says
@ john spielman
“yes, and they blow up so fast these days!”
I don’t find that funny in the least.
john spielman says
it’s called “gallows humor” it’s a way of dealing with evil things to keep us form going crazy
Lauren says
Don’t blow a fuse, Mo
Mirren10 says
Why not ?
Don’t be so bloody po-faced. 🙂
Mo says
@ Mirren10
“Why not ?
Don’t be so bloody po-faced. :)”
I don’t know what that means, nor do I care. I take no joy in the death of children, sent to their deaths by the wicked actions of the adults in their lives.
mjazzguitar says
They’d still kill you in a heartbeat.
Mo says
@ mjazzguitar
“They’d still kill you in a heartbeat.”
Show me where I’ve said otherwise?
Save your snottiness for someone else. I’ve about had it. I don’t know what the blazes is wrong with people here today, treating me like I don’t know all of that.
Nicu says
These ” kids ” are trained to stab you right into your heart – they always carry knives with them and always try to stab your heart . These kids are not islamists – their families live here and show them how to kill !
KiwiKaffir says
Lol
Jay Boo says
Without someone else to hate, Islam’s myth dies.
Don McKellar says
There is ALWAYS someone else to hate. Look at the Indonesians or Pakistanis going crazy hating jews. How many jews are there in those countries? The people they hate can be on the other side of the world and have absolutely no contact possible influence whatsoever, it doesn’t matter. Even if every jew were to suddenly vanish or board a spaceship and all go to another galaxy, it wouldn’t matter. And when there is nobody else but moslems in a country, then they turn on each other and start killing those who aren’t pious or pure enough. And there is always somebody who isn’t pious and pure enough for Islam. That’s why Islam’s myth has continued all these years.
john spielman says
Jesus said “Woe to those who cause these little ones to sin, it would be better to have a mill stone tied around the neck and thrown into the sea.
Mommy dearest is going to face the wrath of God for leading little Timmy into such evil!
Mo says
@ john spielman
“Jesus said “Woe to those who cause these little ones to sin, it would be better to have a mill stone tied around the neck and thrown into the sea.
Mommy dearest is going to face the wrath of God for leading little Timmy into such evil!”
Absolutely right.
There is something profoundly evil about leading a naive child into such wickedness.
Mirren10 says
”There is something profoundly evil about leading a naive child into such wickedness”
I’d be interested to know at what age you consider a person to be criminally responsible for their acts. If this little monster carries out what he dearly desires to, will you still consider him to be a ‘naïve child’ ?
The age of criminal responsibility is 10 in England and Wales, while in Scotland and ireland it is 12. In these countries, anyone who is this age or older can be held liable for a criminal offence.
Mo says
@ Mirren10
“I’d be interested to know at what age you consider a person to be criminally responsible for their acts. If this little monster carries out what he dearly desires to, will you still consider him to be a ‘naïve child’ ?
The age of criminal responsibility is 10 in England and Wales, while in Scotland and ireland it is 12. In these countries, anyone who is this age or older can be held liable for a criminal offence.”
Nowhere am I saying this little monster shouldn’t have some consequences for his actions. But it’s also the adults in his life who bear the greater blame, simply because they should know better.
Please save your nastiness for someone else. I am not in the mood for it tonight. Thank you.
Mirren10 says
”Please save your nastiness for someone else.”
In what way am I being nasty ?
I asked a simple question !
Nicu says
And this is good !
They know already what is right or wrong !
I hear them talking and joking about our system — if an adult commits a crime – they sacrifice a younger one for his penalty is less .
The world would be so peaceful without these brainwashed idiots !
gp says
I believe we all agree on this.
voegelinian says
Romanticization of the Muslim by Westerners is one feature of the Problem of the Problem (the problem of Western myopia to the problem of Islam). Probably the most common form of this feature is the notion that Muslim women are “victims” of Islam in the naively simplistic sense of that term that tends to be incognizant of the massive and unique extent of Stockholm Syndrome. As the West increasingly learns about the horror of child soldiers and spies in Islam (and Westerners should already know this, of course, but they are notoriously slow on the uptake in this regard), another form of the feature kicks in. Generally speaking, with regard to our #1 priority — the defense of our societies from Mohammedans following their Islam — one hopes that Westerners in the process of waking up to the problem of Islam will be able to hold conflicting emotions without hampering that #1 priority.
More broadly, the romanticization of the Muslim by Westerners involves the myth of the Noble Savage, which in a sense is a generalized infantilization of the Muslim, treating them condescendingly and patronizingly as though they were all children not morally responsible for the hatred & horrors they believe, promote, and act out on a stupefyingly regular basis — when they are not lying through their white wolves’ teeth in friendly smiles.
Charli Main says
“Mommy dearest is going to face the wrath of God for leading little Timmy into such evil!”
” Mommy dearest” has been brainwashed to believe the exact opposite.
If “little Timmy” gets killed looting, raping, burning, beheading and crucifying infidels for Allah, she gets a free pass to Jannah with the rest of the family.
john spielman says
true EXCEPT the islamic brothel in the sky doesn’t exist . It is a lie from Satan/allah, as is all the “holy” writ of islam. Allah (Satan to us non muslims) loves to deceive muslims into believing he love them. But alas their reward along with Allah/Satan is the Lake of Fire
Charli Main says
As a fellow Christian, I believe your statement to be 100% correct.
Although, I’m given to believe, that as atheists don’t believe in God or life after death, these Muslims will not be punished for all the diabolical crimes they are committing.
deja vu says
Well said Charli man. A very good point.
deja vu says
They start early. View this and weep. Adding to the horror is the rabid interrogator of this poor little girl, already dressed in a hijab.
Typically, most 2-year-olds would burst into tears at such harsh questioning. Obviously Muslim children are used to be spoken to this way.
Click ‘show more’ to see how seriously they take this indoctrination. It’s child abuse, pure and simple.
KrazyKafir says
Mark Lowen of the BBC risks being arrested by the UK government by being an enemy of the State, and for revealing truthful hatred of civilization’s enemy. Does he not?
Dennis says
This is the same attitude one gets when trying to talk to a twelve-year old about some disreputable hero he or she has glommed on to. It is the same mind set that causes some girls and women to fall in love with mass murderers and write to them in jail, and with some, eventually marry them. There is no reasoning with this mindset and you will lose every discussion when you attempt to do so.
gravenimage says
Yeah—some kid in the West might idolize some violent rapper or fall in with a very bad boyfriend—but your aren’t going to find the widespread pathology described above among Infidels.
Also, keep in in mind that much of what you are describing is teenage rebellion—not always healthy, of course, but mostly an attempt on the part of kids to differentiate themselves from their parents and family.
There are exceptions, but most of these obsessions are short-lived.
Not so here—”Abu Hattab” is following the path that his pious parents have laid out for him—mommy dearest *wants* her young son to die while murdering Infidels.
What’s going on here is organized indoctrination in Jihad—*much* darker than even the most unhealthy thing you will find in the West.
voegelinian says
“What’s going on here is organized indoctrination in Jihad—*much* darker than even the most unhealthy thing you will find in the West.”
And not merely dark, but deadly dangerouson a paramilitary and military level, in terms of the world war which Muslims are now waging against us (and have been for 1,400 years; where “us” extends back to our forbears) — a war that is metastasizing as we speak in ways that proffer terrors and horrors we better start getting our shit together about. But when even so many in the Counter-Jihad itself — this little unorganized nucleus of concerned Westerners waking up — don’t really seem to be cognizant of the full catastrophe devolving (though of course they protest that they do, but show in myriad ways they in fact don’t), one does not hold out high hopes for the West waking up in time to avert mass-murder of our men, women and children by the millions in the coming decades.
gravenimage says
Voegelinian wrote:
And not merely dark, but deadly dangerous on a paramilitary and military level
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Very true. As much as I decry the child abuse involved in this boy’s indoctrination, I also am under no illusions that he would not gladly murder any of us here.
Jack Diamond says
As good a summary on why IS=Islam as you will find. And why Islam is child abuse.
Walter Sieruk says
The poor brainwashed lad very much need to undergo mind deprogramming.
john spielman says
i don’t know if “deprogramming” is what is called for, or is it DELIVERANCE MINISTRY for possible demon possession by allah
Darren says
Nuke the entire site from orbit it’s the only way to be sure!
Champ says
But according to the government and media elites in the West, he completely misunderstands Islam.
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The government and media elites, et al, are the ones whom “misunderstands” islam …
This young boy and his mother are flagitious followers of probably the most notorious and evil criminal that ever lived: moohamhead (perdition be upon him).
Nothing good has *ever* come from islam & company! …islam brings nothing but hell on earth. And that’s the TRUTH.
tpellow says
Also, on the barbaric mentality of these Islamic jihadists-
“‘You want to kill’: ISIS deserter recounts training, torture and terror”
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/11/06/want-to-kill-isis-deserter-recounts-training-torture-and-terror/
TH says
I assume the family lives in Britain. I suppose this lady has all that time to read study the Quran because she is on welfare, as most of them are. So the British taxpayer is paying for the training of future yihadists. Absolute madness.
SaturnV says
I believe the article says they reside in Turkey, a state that at one time was trying to become part of the EU. If that happens, this little ***t and his mother would be free to travel without restriction throughout all of Europe and GB. Scary isn’t it?
Nicu says
Germany is on top of the madness !
Turks in Turkey have german health insurance – when one family member lives here on welfare !
Nicu says
The young ones are the worst : sadly they get away with everything here til they are 14 — and they are under Juvenile law til 26 ( ! ) .
Sorry to say that : but Muslim boys are not innocent !
voegelinian says
It’s not a matter of “innocence” or guilt — it’s the pragmatic matter of protecting our society from the killing machines (and the lying machines that cover for them) which Islam mass-produces.
Fr. Basil says
And once more we see how mahometan jihadistas are so brave they hide their faces.
Wellington says
Just more proof, though certainly no more is needed, that Islam is a form of child abuse.
Nicu says
Yes, it is !
9 year old girls to marry and the Green Party in germany supports that !!!
Wellington says
No it isn’t, Nicu. The proof that Islam is a form of child abuse is already of a voluminous amount. Do you really think that more proof will change the minds of the fools who make up the Green Party in Germany? C’mon. Such people are, with few exceptions, permanently foolish. They will go to their graves never figuring out how the world really works.
Thinking that just a liitle more proof will make the difference for such people is a pipe dream, though I concede that as proof continues to pile up against the monstrous religion which is Islam, the rank and file of one Western nation after another will benefit by this continuing avalanche of information since it will have the effect of confirming again and again just how awful Islam is.
Nicu says
They KNOW how awful Islam is and that’s why I don’t get it that they pamper them and let them take over a whole continent .
Even accept murderers , rape child abuse etc.
If a country gets invaded they defend themselves and doN’t make them feel comfortable on the back of its own population !
Yes, Quaran is a time machine : brings you back 1400 years ago !
gravenimage says
Nicu, I am *no* supporter of the Green Party, especially with the especially unhinged form it takes in Germany.
But are they *really* openly supporting child marriage? Or are they—bad enough but more clueless than evil—foolishly supporting policies that will down the road make Shari’ah in Germany more likely?
I’ve searched and can find nothing specific about their supporting child marriage—which is utterly horrifying if so. Do you have links?
Nicu says
Green Party here even wants to allow Incest , again !
Champ says
“Islam is a form of child abuse.”
Indeed, Wellington!
Ayatrollah says
Islam is a form of child abuse. I was in a Muslim country, where the children squealed with delight at the sight of a foreigner.
I visited a madrassah. The children were noticeably distance and cold. I asked why and was told they were “busy studying their prayers”.
After studying Islam I understand that Muslims think teaching children to hate makes them strong Muslims. They were telling these children that non muslims were bad people and not to be friends with them.
They are future jihadis. What a filthy religion.
Champ says
islam has been abusing children from the start; and 7th century savagery has no place in the modern world–in fact, its *never* been fit for human consumption. Be gone islam! …yeah I feel like I’m living in a time machine whenever I read current headlines about islam and company.
Ayatrollah says
If there is a God there will be a penalty for people teaching children to hate.
I was raised catholic and was involved in the church. I did not even know, or understand, you could go to hell for being the wrong religion until I was 12. And only then when a Baptist friend told me I was going to hell for being catholic.
abad says
And Muslims continue to be hateful and intolerant of other religions…….
gravenimage says
13-year-old Muslim: “I like Islamic State because they pursue Sharia and kill infidels”
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Where did this kid ever get the mistaken idea that Islam was about killing Infidels and imposing brutal Shari’ah law? sarc/off
More:
But as we sit down to talk, he heads next door to change, returning in a black balaclava and military-style camouflage top.
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How *chilling is this*?—it’s only when you see his eyes that you realize that he is just a boy.
In the civilized West this getup would be a Ninja Hallowe’en costume—not an outfit for murder and rape.
More:
He wants to be known as “Abu Hattab”.
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This translates as “Father of the Sermon-Giver”. How can Western tools *still* believe that this savagery has nothing to do with Islam?
More:
Born in Syria, he was first radicalised last year, joining the jihadist group Sham al-Islam.
‘Behead them’
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Notably, he wasn’t “radicalized” *by* Sham al-Islam—instead, he joined a Jihad group because he was *already* “radicalized”. Yet another thing most Westerners fail to understand about pious Mohammedans who go off to wage violent Jihad.
More:
Now he spends his days online, watching jihadist videos and chatting on Facebook to IS fighters.
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Remember during the “Arab Spring”, when so many hopeful Infidels believed that Muslims would—somehow—automatically became more civilized and liberal when they got on Facebook?
This just shows that ideology trumps technology every time.
More:
Within weeks, he says, he’ll go to the IS stronghold of Raqqa in Syria to become a young jihadi soldier.
“I like Islamic State because they pursue Sharia and kill infidels, non-Sunnis and those who converted from Islam,” he says.
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Infidels, “heretics”, and “apostates”—all fair game for murder and enslavement. *Ugh*.
More:
“The people killed by Islamic State are American agents. We must behead them as Allah said in the Koran.”
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Notice the “logic” here—clearly, the Qur’an isn’t talking about “American agents”. But what difference does it make? The West in general and America specifically is the new “Rome”—the opposite of orthodox Islam. It’s just like saying that all of them are “Jewish agents”.
More:
I ask whether he has disclosed his age to those to whom he talks online.
“At the start, I didn’t,” he says.
“But recently I told them – and now they contact me even more, sending me photos and news.”
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Why not? The Islamic State is “marrying” off little girls and taking schoolgirls as sex slaves. It is Tweeting pictures of small children and even toddlers playing with severed heads. Using boys too young to shave as cannon fodder is no different.
In the civilized West we generally try to protect children—not so Islam.
More:
But why not simply enjoy his childhood, I ask?
“I don’t want to go out with friends or have fun. Allah ordered us to work and fight for the next life – for paradise. Before, I went to the park or the seaside.
“But then I realised I was wrong – and I’ve taken the righteous path.”
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As the vicious Ayatollah Khomeini infamously said, there is no fun in Islam…
More:
Steadily her voice grows in intensity, her eyes narrowing in anger above the scarf she uses to cover her face.
“I would not be sad if he killed Westerners. I’m ashamed that my other sons are working peacefully for civil society groups – they must take up arms.”
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Muslim “family values”…
More:
How would she feel, I ask, if he dies fighting for Islamic State?
She pauses. “I would be so happy,” she replies, before bowing her head to cry….
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And that’s because this vicious Muslimah believes that if she sacrifices her son that his “good deeds” of murder and rape will get her into “Paradise”—one of the very few ways that a Muslim woman can be sure she will not simply be sent to Hell by “Allah”.
Islam perverts every decent urge of a mother, of a child, of any human being.
God, I hate Islam.
Huck Folder says
“Born in Syria, he was first radicalised [raped?] last year, joining the jihadist group Sham al-Islam.” [I like THAT name!]
“But recently I told them – and now they contact me even more, sending me photos and news.” [First Bacha Baz, then cannon fodder.]
gp says
“I would not be sad if he killed Westerners. I’m ashamed that my other sons are working peacefully for civil society groups – they must take up arms.”
So their prophet can marry a girl at age 7 and consummate the marriage when she is age 9, but this teen at age 13 should not be held accountable for his own wicked criminal deeds and evil actions. On the battlefield, If this kid points an AK at you, you will do what must be done. Islam is a death cult and some are hell bent on killing you and yours unless you kill them first. They are nursed on the milk on Arab Jew hatred and taught to kick severed heads (see yesterdays post) before they can even walk.
Growing up, I was told that age seven was the age of reason and that I was old enough to know right from wrong at that age. Clearly this women is a menace to society and should be dealt with immediately, with extreme prejudice. It is also good to know that Turkey remains a slimy Jihadi playground.
Maybe the new administration will stop handing out money to our enemies and remember that we are Israel’s safety belt. Please God.
mortimer says
Just as with the Hitler Youth, Islam teaches little minds to hate and prepare for suicide.
This is the worst sort of child abuse. Those guilty of it should be punished with life sentences.
mortimer says
Hitler Youth sang: “We are born to die for Germany.” This boy is having similar ideas based on the nightmare of political Islam. Islam is a cult of death and his mother has killed her son for this evil delusion.
Yasser Arafat kept a group of indoctrinated teenaged orphans who it was said were sexually abused by him. Militarizing children is a horrible crime, but Islam is amoral and there is nothing jihadists will not do in their fanaticism.
Charli Main says
As has been said many, many times Islam and Nazism are two sides of the same coin.
Adolph Hitler was a fervent admirer of Islam and Mein Kampf was a cheap knock off, of the Koran
Nicu says
I agree with mortimer and Charli Main !
and many others here – I wish we could do more than just talking while all these horrible things going on .
duh_swami says
You don’t need to be an adult to be a ‘natural born killer’.
Institutions are full of them. One night they murdered the night man, who was kind enough to give them snacks and stay up late to watch TV. Two held Ed down while another (a 14 year old) beat him to death with a snuggled in cow bone.
Islam simply takes the place of the institution, and gives them a free pass, by means of jihad, to murder with impunity and possibly be rewarded for it.
Getitright says
Hey Abu Hattab
Tell your mother you want to play with toy soldiers not real ones. And you got it all wrong, killers don’t go to paradise they go straight to hell . Remember the Bible was written before the Quran . Moses was before Mohammed and so was Jesus. In the Ten Commandment it says “You shall not Kill”. Now young man think about those words and change your evil ways, and live a peaceful life.