And Dutch officials are shocked — because few if any of them ever troubled to read the Qur’an or study Islam, and they are confident that only greasy Islamophobes think that there is support for jihad violence among any Muslims beyond a tiny minority of extremists.
“Young Dutch Turks’ radical views worry MPs, call for more research,” Dutch News, November 12, 2014 (thanks to Lux et Libertas):
MPs from across the political spectrum have called for more research into the attitudes of young Dutch Turks to the Islamic State, after a poll of 300 showed 80% saw nothing wrong in jihad, or holy war, against non-believers.
The research, carried out by the Motivaction group in Amsterdam, was commissioned by the Forum multicultural institute. During a parliamentary debate on integration issues on Wednesday, Socialist, D66 and CDA MPs called for a special sitting to investigate why youths have such radical views, website nu.nl reports.
The survey found 90% of young Turks think those fighting against Syrian president Assad’s troops are ‘heroes’ and half thought it would be a good thing if Dutch Muslims went to join the fight.
Social affairs minister Lodewijk Asscher told website nu.nl on Tuesday the results of the survey were ‘worrying’ and pledged to carry out more in-depth research.
He also said the research was contradictory, with high support for jihad but very little support for a religious caliphate. Speaking after a visit to the Kuba mosque in IJmuiden on Wednesday, Asscher said he had failed to find anyone who supported IS, the Volkskrant reports….
Does he expect people to come up to him and say, “Yes, Mr. Asscher, I support the Islamic State!” How naive can this guy be?
Nicu says
” Dutch Turks ” , German Turks ” –you cannot be both for you are always a MUslim and this article proves it .
TNT says
Oh it will take blood and more blood, hang a few gays, rape littles girls, chop heads off Christians, burn churches, stone women, beat up veterans and take their metals. Burning Poppies, attacking young cadets, kicking people of the streets imposing Sharia Law. Start a slave market in the west. Sell Christian slaughtered blood to the Turks and Saudis. Replace pigs with humans in saughter houses. Will it be Islamophobia to speak out against these acts as well? what is it going to take? RAID the MPs cookie cupboard? This is getting out of hand . How blind is blind? My God Enoch Powells speech; Rivers of Blood, is ringing in my ears! What is wrong with people who are just ignoring it? Bitter herbs is the only explanation I can find to answer this madness. I need some bacon now before it dissapears.
Ayatrollah says
“The survey found 90% of young Turks think those fighting against Syrian president Assad’s troops are ‘heroes’ and half thought it would be a good thing if Dutch Muslims went to join the fight.”
So the Turks are learning Islam in this country? And they are surprised ? That is what Islam teaches.
UnEasyOne says
I wonder what Geert Wilders had to say? “No sh** Sherlock,” would be my guess.
He’s that crazy, islamophobic Dutch parliamentarian that has been warning them since his friend, Theo Van Gogh was murdered in broad daylight by a muslim fanatic for making a short film that told truth about islam. He’s an interesting speaker, well worth looking up on YouTube.
gravenimage says
UnEasyOne, here’s my tribute to the intrepid Geert Wilders in my “Heroes Against Jihad” series:
http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/media/JWHGW.jpg.html?&_suid=141592362747609733406587038189
R Cole says
Clearly these Dutch politicians don’t believe what they are hearing. So that more research is needed. And special sessions held.
In reality – it becomes less about this elusive integration – and more about the hard cold facts of national security.
One spark – one trigger – or the right command … could be a game changer.
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While these Dutch politicians are trying to figure out why their Muslim youths hold radical views – maybe they can also look at why the Austrian, French, UK and Danish Muslim youths hold similar views.
No doubt like good parents – they’ll probably all sit down and blame themselves. Only we are not responsible!
It is a new reality.
Like weed is legal in Holland [and now in a few US states] – for them – jihad has just been legalized. They complained Bin Laden did not have permission – now permission for jihad has been given – with the formation of the Caliphate.
David Quilty says
There is one Islam and many Muslims and the myth of a moderate Muslim majority
bobm says
.. surely; these politicians have something up their butts that keeps them in line; and it is surely more than just their heads….$$$..
Darren says
Infidels of the world I give you jihadist bloopers, enjoy and laugh at them as they are killed. Also as you look at these clowns ask yourselves why the f*k should we be afraid of these savages. Kill em all and let allah sort em out with his kindergarten classroom in the sky.
Champ says
Clearly muslims are not proud of being followers of islam because they hide their faces behind those masks …they look like robbers, and robbers hide their faces so not to be identified by their victims, too.
shabeer_hassan says
i am proud to be a MUSLIM:BEC’S
5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.
6: 151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand
Jihad is protecting people property&people from
Mischief through the land/violence/terrorism/fithna prohibited:
2: 205. And when he turns away (from you “O Muhammad SAW “), his effort in the land is to make mischief therein and to destroy the crops and the cattle, and Allah likes not mischief.
7: 56. And do not do mischief on the earth, after it has been set in order, and invoke Him with fear and hope; Surely, Allah’s Mercy is (ever) near unto the good doers.
7: 85……..Verily, a clear proof (sign) from your Lord has come unto you; so give full measure and full weight and wrong not men in their things, and do not mischief on the earth after it has been set in order, that will be better for you, if you are believers.
11: 116. If only there had been among the generations before you, persons having wisdom, prohibiting (others) from Al-Fasâd (disbelief, polytheism, and all kinds of crimes and sins) in the earth, except a few of those whom We saved from among them. Those who did wrong pursued the enjoyment of good things of (this worldly) life, and were Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers in Allâh, polytheists, sinners, etc.).
13: 25. And those who break the Covenant of Allâh, after its ratification, and sever that which Allâh has commanded to be joined (i.e. they sever the bond of kinship and are not good to their relatives), and work mischief in the land, on them is the curse (i.e. they will be far away from Allâh’s Mercy); And for them is the unhappy (evil) home (i.e. Hell).
26: 151. “And follow not the command of Al-Musrifûn
152. “Who make mischief in the land, and reform not.”
26: 183. “And defraud not people by reducing their things, nor do evil, making corruption and mischief in the land.
28: 83. That home of the Hereafter (i.e. Paradise), We shall assign to those who rebel not against the truth with pride and oppression in the land nor do mischief by committing crimes. And the good end is for the Muttaqûn .
29: 36. And to (the people of) Madyan (Midian), We sent their brother Shu’aib (Shuaib). He said: “O my people! Worship Allâh, and hope for (the reward of good deeds by worshipping Allâh Alone, on) the last Day, and commit no mischief on the earth as Mufsidûn (those who commit great crimes, oppressors, tyrants, mischief-makers, corrupts).
47: 22. Would you then, if you were given the authority, do mischief in the land, and sever your ties of kinship?
23. Such are they whom Allâh has cursed, so that He has made them deaf and blinded their sight.
24. Do they not then think deeply in the Qur’ân, or are their hearts locked up (from understanding it)?
25. Verily, those who have turned back (have apostate) as disbelievers after the guidance has been manifested to them, Shaitân (Satan) has beautified for them (their false hopes), and (Allâh) prolonged their term (age).
59: 15. They are like their immediate predecessors (the Jews of Banî Qainûqâ’, who suffered), they tasted the evil result of their conduct, and (in the Hereafter, there is) for them a painful torment;-
8:73. And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so, there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).
ECAW says
“5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.”
Jeez – not that old chestnut!
5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment
When understood in context it is clear that the message of the two verses is actually a dire warning to Jews in particular and non-believers in general of the consequences of going against Mohammed.
Really!
Charli Main says
All non Muslims are at ” war” with Allah for refusing to be Muslims, making them legitimate targets for Muslim aggression.
ECAW says
Yeah, neat isn’t it?
Jay Boo says
ISLAM IS A WHORE
Never ever, ever forget:
ISLAM IS A WHORE
ben t says
All the “good guys” and “good deeds” in the koran are defined as mooslims. All us nonbelievers (Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Agnostics, Atheists, Pantheists, Animists, etc) in your 7th century crap are only garbage to be disposed of.
I believe in an ALL Merciful God which means even you creeps will see Heaven.
john spielman says
Jesus said that only those who believe in Him as the only Son of God and who obey him will see heaven. John 3:18 since muslims reject the deity of Christ and also do evil, their portion will be the lake of fire
john spielman says
in my interpretation of these passages
Jen says
i am proud to be a MUSLIM:BEC’
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If you tell me that you’re proud to be Muslim despite coming on here regularly and seeing what your fellow Muslims are doing in direct accordance with your ‘religious’ texts then you are *scum*. Vile scum who is a supporter of mass murder and rape. You are an Islam Defender.
You are a black dog from Satan. I hate you as much as I hate them. You need to be put down.
boakai ngombu says
@S-H
are you certain the Allah god of Islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) will do you no harm?
its Mercy is always near, but are you certain that, while your zeal to rid the earth of corruption – ruining, destroying; stealing, raping, killing – might be called “wonderful,” you and the brothers are not despoiling its supposed Creation?
the Allah god of Islam is delighted that you know nothing of the truly Unique God who fulfills Covenants and makes things New through, what your Koran calls, Jesus – the Seal of Holiness, which Muhammad (recently contrived; full of lusts) isn’t. a truly Righteous Being, which Muhammad never was nor can be.
Tradewinds says
Oh can it Muslim. Barbaric Islam is a plague on the world.
gravenimage says
The repulsive Muslim apologist shabeer hassan wrote:
i am proud to be a MUSLIM:BEC’S
5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.
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Taqiyya artists always trot out this Sura, but it is *not* a verse condemning murder, but rather damning Jews. The very next verse makes it clear that slaughtering Infidels is perfectly Halal. All Infidels not living as oppressed dhimmis under Sharia’ah law are understood to be “spreading mischief in the land”.
More:
6: 151. …kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law).
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What shabeer hassan will not tell you is that those “just causes” include Islamic conquest, and that the killing of non-dhimmi Infidels is *never* forbidden under Islamic law.
More:
Jihad is protecting people property&people from
Mischief through the land/violence/terrorism/fithna prohibited
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“Fitna” includes living as a free Infidel.
More:
Those who did wrong pursued the enjoyment of good things of (this worldly) life, and were Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers in Allâh, polytheists, sinners, etc.).
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It is not uncommon for the inept Taqiyya artist shabeer hassan to openly post passages that show just how horrifying Islam is.
The above passage makes it clear that those guilty of making “mischief” include “disbelieving in Allah”—in other words, any non-Muslims, who are hence fair game for slaughter.
Subsequent quotes show that Jews and apostates from Islam are also fair game.
More:
8:73. And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so, there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).
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The mere existence of Infidels is “Fitna”, and polytheism—which includes Christianity as Muslims see it, given their understanding of the Trinity—is considered to be the same as oppression and war.
And so, far from showing that Islam is not violent towards non-Muslims, this ham-fisted (pun intended) apologist just confirms it.
AM says
I think Europeans are experiencing collective cognitive dissonance. They made the mistake of thinking other people (Muslims) will have the same values as them, and will be grateful for the opportunity of a new life in a western country. They thought religious tolerance would be possible, but forgot that Islam is a militant political ideology.
What really boggles the mind is this: how could all these European countries allow masses of Muslims into their countries on a permanent basis after 9/11 and the “war on terror” was introduced? And now that Islam is incrementally taking over, Europeans are just ignoring the signs and burying their heads in the sand. Why were they not stricter with their immigration policies – only allow skilled immigrants, and then only on a temporary basis? If we go work in the Middle East, we must go back home once the contract is finished. Are the Europeans really so brainwashed with political correctness and moral relativism that they will just let another culture take over their countries without a fight, so as not to offend anybody?
Who is really behind this “multicultural” and ‘islamization of Europe” agenda? It seems like an act of war to me.
Europe forgot their Christian God, and invited the enemy into their home with open arms through the front door. The people of Europe will have to take this opportunity to turn back to God, because He is the only one that can help them out of this. This is not only a political issue, but a spiritual one too.
ECAW says
Whatever we do in Europe, it will have to be without God. He died here, didn’t you know? And anyway, his agents are among the most ardent of appeasers and welcomers to the Muslim hordes from the other side of the Mediterranean.
The Pope is the worst but I’ve tried pointing out a few uncomfortable facts to Anglican clergymen and been met with an unbelievable soppiness and refusal to take it seriously.
Linda Rivera says
The despicable phony Christian leaders you speak of are traitors to God, Jesus Christ, Christianity, the Bible, Christians, Jews and all non-muslims.
The entire Bible, Old and New Testaments warn about false prophets.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
THEY ARE RAVENOUS WOLVES. They are very dangerous. I would not trust them any more than I would trust muslim terrorists.
shabeer_hassan says
that ppl says to be “”RACISM””
Universal brotherhood
49: 13. O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious – see V.2:2). Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 778
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Usama approached the Prophet on behalf of a woman (who had committed theft). The Prophet said, “The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict the legal punishments on the poor and forgive the rich. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is! If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet ) did that (i.e. stole), I would cut off her hand.”
Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 57 :: Hadith 79
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The people of the Quraish tribe were worried about the Makhzumiya woman. They said. “Nobody dare speak to him (i.e. the Prophet ) except Usama bin Zaid as he is the most beloved to Allah’s Apostle.” Aisha said, “A woman from Bani Makhzumiya committed a theft and the people said, ‘Who can intercede with the Prophet for her?’ So nobody dared speak to him (i.e. the Prophet) but Usama bin Zaid spoke to him. The Prophet said, ‘If a reputable man amongst the children of Bani Israel committed a theft, they used to forgive him, but if a poor man committed a theft, they would cut his hand. But I would cut even the hand of Fatima (i.e. the daughter of the Prophet) if she committed a theft.”
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 779
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Quraish people became very worried about the Makhzumiya lady who had committed theft. They said, “Nobody can speak (in favor of the lady) to Allah’s Apostle and nobody dares do that except Usama who is the favorite of Allah’s Apostle. ” When Usama spoke to Allah’s Apostle about that matter, Allah’s Apostle said, “Do you intercede (with me) to violate one of the legal punishment of Allah?” Then he got up and addressed the people, saying, “O people! The nations before you went astray because if a noble person committed theft, they used to leave him, but if a weak person among them committed theft, they used to inflict the legal punishment on him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad committed theft, Muhammad will cut off her hand.!”
Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 5097
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Allah, Most High, has removed from you the pride of the pre-Islamic period and its boasting in ancestors. One is only a pious believer or a miserable sinner. You are sons of Adam, and Adam came from dust. Let the people cease to boast about their ancestors. They are merely fuel in Jahannam; or they will certainly be of less account with Allah than the beetle which rolls dung with its nose.
ECAW says
“Universal brotherhood
49: 13. O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious – see V.2:2).”
However, the next verse says:
“The bedouins say, “We have believed.” Say, “You have not [yet] believed; but say [instead], ‘We have submitted,’ for faith has not yet entered your hearts. And if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
In other words the various tribes and nations are accepted, as long as they submit to the one true religion. Therefor viewing verse 49:13 in its immediate textual context we find no “universal brotherhood”, only brotherhood between Muslims.
Why do you bother? Don’t you know that we’re onto your sleight of hand here?
Jay Boo says
DO not read this shabeer_hassan
It is forbidden
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Everywhere throughout the world, Muslims sharpen their knives
in order to commit Islamic jihad style adultery with their neighbor’s wives.
At Khyber, Muslims lusted after the wives of Jewish men.
Despite being well fortified, just before the battle the Muslims used rotted meat to poison the well of the Jews to weaken them before slaughter.
After Muhammad and (companions) murdered their husbands he took the Jewish women and children as sex slaves.
Zainab bin Harith, one of those Jewish wives later invited Mohammad and his principal companions to a feast.
She poisoned the false prophet in revenge and Muhammad suffered a long slow agonizing death.
Jen says
I *HATE* you Shabeer. You dirty Muslim animal. You need die because you are an Islam Defender. You support killing people who refuse to join your evil cult. You like to post rape statistics on a blog post about children being raped by filthy Muslim men. You think it’s fine. You think that children don’t have a right to live a nice life. You don’t care that these children have their lives shattered. You don’t care that they will spend their adulthood trying to overcome the traumatic experience of being raped by Muslim men like they were nothing but worthless objects to be used for your Muslim ‘brothers’ sexual pleasure. You think that “god” is fine with it. How evil can anyone possibly be. There’s nothing on this earth that I hate more than your ‘religion’ and since you defend Islam, I hate you just as much.
gravenimage says
More off-topic, obfuscating spam from shabeer hassan:
that ppl says to be “”RACISM””
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What is “racist” about concern over the majority of Muslim Turks in the Netherlands supporting the slaughter of Infidels in violent Jihad?
Islam is not a race.
More:
Universal brotherhood
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It isn’t “universal brotherhood” when Muslims can slaughter Infidels simply for the “crime” of not being Muslim.
More:
If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet ) did that (i.e. stole), I would cut off her hand.”
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Here the vile shabeer hassan is confirming the Shari’ah penalty of amputating limbs for petty theft. The “Prophet” confirms that he is slavering over the spectre of mutilating his own daughter. What a damn barbarian.
And shabeer hassan, in fact, is so taken by this savagery that he quotes three related Hadith. *Ugh*.
More:
One is only a pious believer or a miserable sinner.
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Note the idea that if one is a pious Muslim believer that one cannot be regarded as a sinner—*no matter what atrocities one has committed*. But if one is a non-believer in the savagery of Islam, then he is fair game for any violence. How utterly appalling.
rightrightright says
A carpet of words does not equate with reasoned argument. There is more sense in a few pages of any telephone directory than in your peculiarly vicious book.
Rachel in Jerusalem says
ECAW,
Rather than truly process the Holocaust and their hatred of Jews and atone, Europeans turned their back on God and bought into the new ethics-free religion of multiculturalism and political correctness. They unconsciously expressed their continuing but suppressed Jew-hatred by falling in love with the Palestinians in 1967 and welcoming Jew haters to live amongst them as an (unconscious) statement of “Israel is the problem. Arabs and Moslems are easy to get along with, they are just like us.” Freud would have a field day with the European psyche.
ECAW says
Rachel – That might have something to do with it in Germany but not where I come from. It was my countrymen who liberated Belsen. We have nothing to atone for nor was I ever aware of any hatred of Jews in England when I was growing up.
It’s not all about you.
KiwiKaffir says
Paul Weston is the only person who has been able to articulate a solution other than surrender.
Remove them all from the society. Send the Somalians back to Somalia, the Turks to Turkey and the Pakistanis back to Pakistan.
However this will need t be done BEFORE it’s too late!
alyn21 says
Deporting them is a great idea but they will not go without a fight. and you can be sure that the useful idiot leftists will help save them,
Don McKellar says
It is the strangest situation for all these advanced cultures to put themselves in! It’s as if they’re vicitim of a trojan horse by their own delusions.
Coolio says
If I break the law, I cannot plead ignorance of the law as a defence.
Western politicians need trying and executing for treason. They cannot plead ignorance as a defence. Are they pretending not to have internet access?
shabeer_hassan says
@Killer#1 allah, 9:5 “Kill the UNbelievers in the ONEness of Allah wherever ye find them”……..
Prohibit killing non Muslim who peace agreement with Muslim:
8: 72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, – these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.
9: 4. Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqûn
4: 90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.
91. You will find others that wish to have security from you and security from their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto. If they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 49
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr:
The Prophet said, “Whoever killed a Mu’ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).”
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 53 :: Hadith 391
duh_swami says
Spamming again Shabeer? I doubt any kuffar posting here are impressed with your long cut and paste entries.
Jay Boo says
Shabeer has many self-doubts about Islam is trying desperately to believe that false prophet Muhammad was telling the truth about Islam’s best of deceivers.
Jen says
“kill them wherever you find them.”
Get lost Shabeer. Muslim arsehole. ‘Peace agreement with Muslims.’ As far as I can tell Shabeer, an agreement of any sort should generally be beneficial to both parties.
gp says
9: 4. Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqûn
It is not what goes in the mouth of man, but what comes out of the mouth of man that defiles him. Right Haji?
Wellington says
Islam is spiritual fascism, shabeer. Allah is one creepy, control-freak kind of deity. Mohammed exhibited the traits of a psychopath, a narcissist and a pedophile. Love is absent in the Islamic scheme of things, especially romantic love. The Koran is a most desultory, disturbing and repetitive religious work (damn boring too), so citing passages from it is a non-starter for those who really know it. There is no Golden Rule for all in Islam (this alone makes Islam worthy of great condemnation). Islam is the only major faith which calls for war to be made upon the unbeliever. Islam also has rooted in it a permanent second-class status not only for all unbelievers but also for all women. Sharia is a horrible legal code and is replete with totalitarian elements. Islam’s deluded believers also play all kinds of word games and other games (like posting Sura 5:32 without posting Sura 5:33, as you did in your 5:13 A.M. post and which ECAW caught you on in their 5:28 A.M. post).
And know this, shabeer: With each passing year the world at large is finally coming to realize how awful and screwed up Islam is. I mean just think how many millions now detest Islam who didn’t just twenty, even ten, years ago. Islam is well on its way to being the most hated religion in history and it so fully deserves this. Have a nice day, shabeer.
gravenimage says
shabeer hassan has been a very busy spammer on this thread. He wrote:
@Killer#1 allah, 9:5 “Kill the UNbelievers in the ONEness of Allah wherever ye find them”……..
Prohibit killing non Muslim who peace agreement with Muslim:
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That “peace agreement” either means providing tribute and slaves to Muslim states or living as dhimmis directly under Shari’ah law.
No *free* Infidel is safe.
More:
8: 72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, – these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.
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In other words, all Muslims must wage violent Jihad against all Infidels—save only those who are themselves serving as cannon fodder against those resisting Muslim conquest.
More:
You will find others that wish to have security from you…
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Islam is a conquering creed, and only those who have surrendered to Muslims will have “security”. *Ugh*.
Why does shabeer hassan even post here? Everything he posts just confirms Islam as more and more horrific.
duh_swani says
It is Allah who calls for jihad against kuffar the 20% who don’t approve are in opposition to Allah. Who knows best, Allah or the 20%? If a Mahoundian thinks he is wiser than Allah, how does that effect his chances of Paradise?
alyn21 says
So much for the idea that most muslims are peaceful. We in the west have a big problem!!
duh_swami says
Avoiding personal responsibility Islam style, the perfect escape hatch…
Quran 8:17 “It is not you who slew them; it was Allah who killed them. It was not you (Muhammad) who threw (a handful of dust), it was not your act, but it was Allah who threw (the sand into the eyes of the enemy at Badr) in order that He might test the [Muslim] Believers by doing them a gracious favor of His Own: for Allah is He Who hears and knows.”
Allah the killer. Explain that Shabeer…
Megakovalan says
Geert Wilders is the answer, hope his party will wipe all the appeasing parties out!
pdxnag says
Perhaps folks should demand that Istanbul be renamed Constantinople and be freed from all Islamic (Islamic State) domination. The sack of Constantinople in 1453 is a lesson. The Muslims have already breached the walls and are running rampant across all the west.
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/constantinople.htm
It is apparently the future embraced by modern young Turks.
ApolloSpeaks says
THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE
If it weren’t for jihad against unbelievers Islam would have died with its founder a failed religious movement in Mecca. Jihad is to the life of Islam what oxygen is to breathing, blood to the circulatory system and food and water to the flesh.
http://www.apollospeaks.com
steakman says
I have had blood relatives in Hollnd telling me that Geert is a crazy man. I told them straight back..that they might just want to listen to what he has to say…before you all lose your heads. Unreal…the population is also in denial – not just politicians.
This is what Political Correctness – Mult Cult Diversity BS fortified by so called Human Rights Legislation brings to any Western Culture. That includes North America.
I see in your White house Administration – I see it in Canada’s Liberal Party and we all see it in the Main Stream Media.
Dhimmi’s all.
in my language its Stupid willfully blind MF’rs.
mortimer says
Turkish Sunnis believe it is heroic to subjugate kafirs. So, there is no ‘small minority of extremists’, then.
It’s a strong majority of ‘extremists’. Yet they consider their approval of jihad against disbelievers to be normative Islam, rather than an aberration
gp says
We see how young Turks treated members of the US Navy yesterday (in civilian clothing no less), maybe we need to send Turkey more money? Talk about pearls before swine!
Turkey is a muslim state, pro Islamic State, and an ISIS friendly jihadi playground. So young Muslim Turks causing problems in any Western nations should come as no surprise.
nothosaur says
Anyone familiar with Holland:
I have some friends who are traveling from the US to Holland soon.
How safe is it? What areas should they avoid?
Gerhard says
Your friends can go to Holland. (6 % Muslims). It is not like there is a fanatic Muslim on every streetcorner! The survey is about Turks (Muslims) being in favour of Jihad (bad enough) but does not mean that 80% of Turks want to attack or kill the Dutch (or tourists). Chances of a bomb or a random attack on people are not bigger than in other places in Europe. (very small). In a few streets in the Schilderswijk (The Hague) there were quite some problems recently. Your friends could avoid areas with a heavy Muslim population (they’ll notice immediately). And google no-go zones/problems with Muslims in The Netherlands.
voegelinian says
Yes, I’m sure you can take a pleasant walk on the Linnaeusstraat in Amsterdam, just a few steps away from the Oosterpark, where ten years ago Theo Van Gogh was brutally assassinated by a Muslim, Mohammed Bouyeri — first by gun shots, then by a knife nearly decapitating him — (who, incidentally, was born in and grew up in the Netherlands and who was part of a cell of Muslims hailing from all over Europe and the Maghrebian Muslim world and who had plans to mass-murder many more Dutch) and you won’t be harmed by even a stray fruitvlieg.
John says
Dear Nothosaur,
I’m from Holland. Please excuse me for my bad English.
Some parts of The Hague City are not so safe (including the Schilderswijk area, also called the Sharia triangle). Also some parts of Amsterdam are not very safe, especially Amsterdam South-East. We have lots of problems with young Marrocons, who are extremely overrepresented in criminal statistics. So please warn your friends to watch out for them.
With kind regards,
John
abad says
The Netherlands needs to round up every single Muslim on their soil and deport them.
Islam does not belong in the Netherlands at all.
Tradewinds says
Islam does not belong in Europe, Canada, and the United States.
Letting in the Muslims is the dumbest thing the West has ever done. Beyond stupid.
voegelinian says
Indeed, abad. Once in a blue moon there is a nice refreshing, bracing and brisk breeze of Counter-Jihad sense in these stuffy Halls of Jihad Watch.
Uncle Vladdi says
“It’s almost impossible to get someone to understand or believe even a simple truth, when their paycheck and security depend on their NOT understanding it.”
– Paraphrased Quote From Somebody Important –
Islam is inherently a form of SEDITION – because it never agreed with the Christian notion of separating secular (road-paving, taxation) and religious realms (render unto Caesar) and went with “Render The World Unto Muhammad!”
So it doesn’t believe in national sovereignty, preferring global theocracy (‘ummah’) ruled by the Caliphate government!
Islam is ONLY a crime syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it’s where they say: “God told us to commit these crimes!
Muslims are never national citizens; they regard all national sovereignties as temporary, man-made false idols which must all be eventually destroyed and replaced with the one-world global muslim Ummah, to be ruled by their theocratic caliphate, and their duty is to wage offensive war to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-muslims. Terrorism is an inherent, not an incidental, nor in any way a “radical,” component of islam.
NO MUSLIMS ARE “PATRIOTS” OR NATIONALISTS OF ANY KIND!
No self-determined muslim believes in any sovereign national governments nor countries at all, ever!
Sharia is allegedly the perfect law of allah, based directly on the Qur’an!
So it always applies to all humans everywhere!
SO WHO NEEDS ANY – EVEN “ELECTED” – MAN-MADE GOVERNMENTS TO CREATE LAWS WHICH DIFFER FROM SHARIA?!
Recall the Ayatollah Khomeini’s words during his 1980 speech in Qom, the Shi’ite spiritual hub:
“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land burn. I say let this land [Iran] go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”
So, since islam is a subversive anti-national and anti-legal entity, why on earth are any of its “muslim” members ever afforded any legal standing to promote their criminal treasonous sedition, before any of our courts of law?!
Allowing foreign (sharia “law”) courts to exist in your country is to enable those foreign governments to govern in your country; it’s obviously TREASON.
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So, liberals like to pretend “Only 5% of muslims worldwide are open supporters of ‘radical’ fundamentalism!”?
NO, YOU SILLY SELF-HATING MASOCHISTIC LIBERAL FANTASISTS, ACTUALLY, MOST “MODERN, MODERATE” MUSLIMS REALLY DO STILL BELIEVE IN SHARIA:
The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan American think tank that provides information on social issues, public opinion, and demographic trends. They are considered to be a trusted source for information.
The Global Attitudes Project is a series of worldwide public opinion surveys that encompasses a broad array of subjects.
Are there wide spread beliefs in the Islamic populations that are counter to the human rights of free speech, free expression, woman’s rights, and gay rights?
What are the statistics?
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
;-(
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/10/what-muslim-leaders-say-about-islam.html
“Modern, moderate islamists” infidel-murdering approval quotes.
gravenimage says
80% of young Turks in Netherlands see nothing wrong with jihad against unbelievers
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Not exactly a “small minority of extremists”, huh?
More:
He also said the research was contradictory, with high support for jihad but very little support for a religious caliphate. Speaking after a visit to the Kuba mosque in IJmuiden on Wednesday, Asscher said he had failed to find anyone who supported IS, the Volkskrant reports….
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Good grief. There are two points here, which the naïve Social Affairs Minister fails to grasp—firstly, that Mohammedans are less likely to admit their support of an enemy state while directly in the presence of Western government officials, on the off chance that they might actually put these Jihad sympathizers under surveillance; and secondly, that there are many pious Muslims who want to see a theocratic Caliphate, but just believe they should be running it, rather than Al-Baghdadi and ISIS.
None of this means that they don’t want to see a Muslim supremacist Caliphate run by Shari’ah law.
The Buffster says
Shabeer Hassan, I’m going to assume that you are a Muslim rather than some PC fool pretending to be a Muslim, and that you have read the Koran, The Life of Mohammad, a good portion of the Hadith, and some of what the most respected Muslim jurists have had to say over the centuries about jihad and the
subjugation of unbelievers under the Dhimmi contract.
Assuming you know your own religion – and many who call themselves Muslims do not – then you have accepted the duty to impose your religion on the world through lies, stealth, and violence. You have accepted a religion that demands that you support and participate in this.
So I ask you: what kind of a person chooses such a religion?
I can tell you what kind of a person cannot accept it.
Whether a development of nature or a creation of a god, human beings each are born with a human type of mind. As this mind develops it gains various capacities. It has the capacity, for example, to pay attention to the world around it. It also has the capacity to turn away from reality into a world of its
own imaginings. A mind can choose to be strictly honest with itself and seek the truth in all things, or it can take the lazy and cowardly way, believing whatever it feels like believing, going along with whatever the people around
itbelieve, without independent, critical, honest examination of the facts.
The virtuous mind keeps itself honest.
The virtuous mind accepts nothing just because it *wants* to believe it, or because someone threatens harm or destruction, or because people will shun it for disagreeing with them. The virtuous mind cares only for grapsing the truth, which often takes a long time and a lot of effort. And since honest errors are possible, the honest mind knows it may need to revise its views later.
When the virtuous mind looks at itself – and it does, in order to keep itself honest – it can see what it needs from the society it lives in: it needs to be free from those who would use physical force to make it live a lie.
It needs to deal with other people who understand and value the virtue of honesty. It does *not* need other minds to agree with it about anything but this: that we humans must not initiate physical force or use fraud against each other. Each must be free to use his mind to seek truths, make his own errors and corrections, and keep learning and developing,arguing and improving.
The honest mind knows that different minds have different capacities, different levels of reasoning skill, different backgrounds, knowledge, errors, and problems. But all minds have this in common: they cannot just “know” the truth. They have to work for it.
They have to be free to question, to dissent, to challenge the assertions of authority, to think, engage in arguments with others, to change their views when errors come to light.
This freedom from coercion is what a virtuous human mind requires.
So what is an honest mind to think of an alleged god who creates human beings with this type of intelligence, but then sends a prophet who commands his followers to wage war against unbelievers until they convert or submit to a degraded status under the Muslims?
What is an honest mind to think of a god that orders his prophet to make unbelievers pay a special protection fee to compensate the Muslims for not killing them? Because that is what jizya is – it’s a fee paid by the unbelievers so that the Muslims won’t kill them. And if the unbelievers cease to pay the fee, they can be murdered or enslaved, according to Islamic law.
Is a being that sends such a prophet to earth a god or a devil? Is it virtuous to obey him? Or is it cowardly and evil?
What virtuous mind would be willing to serve such a Satanic god – a god that would temp his faithful with 72 virgins in an Eternal Paradise for committing such atrocities for him? (And what kind of person is interested in that kind of Paradise?)
A truly virtuous mind would refuse to serve such an irrational and malevolent god – a god who creates human beings with the capacity for honesty and reason, but requires them to violate those virtues to serve a divine being that seems modeled on the most narcissistic, unjust, power-lusting and irrational type of human autocrat.
It would be far more virtuous to keep to the honest path, respecting the rights and freedom of one’s fellow humans, and to accept the possibility that one will be cast into Hell by this monstrous demon, than to corrupt one’s mind and soul with that demon’s evil.
It is better to suffer in Hell for one’s good conscience than to rut in Paradise as a corrupt monster.
Only a mental weakling and moral coward submits to such a false god as Mohammad invented.
What kind of a man gets “revelations” from such a god?
What kind of people are willing to follow him?
I’m sure there are many Muslims who have not made the effort to read the foundational texts of their religion, or who have only chosen the better verses and reject those that their consciences find uncomfortable. I’m sure there are many who would not engage in jihad and who just want to live and let live.
But they aren’t really following the Prophet, are they?
They’ve made up their own Mohammad and their own version of Allah for themselves. Their own version of Islam that isn’t Islam at all.
I’m pretty sure that is forbidden.
The Quran and the Hadith tell you exactly what a good Muslim is supposed to do.
And it isn’t what a virtuous mind would do.
You have a mind.
You have a choice.