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Jordan queen says fight against the Islamic State is “fight for the future of the Middle East and Islam”

Nov 20, 2014 11:29 am By Robert Spencer

Queen RaniaWill the fight against the Islamic State succeed in saving Islam? The supporters of the Islamic State can and do point to Islamic texts and teachings to justify what they do. The Muslims in the West who denounce the Islamic State have thus far ignored the Qur’anic justifications for their actions, and declined to address their Qur’anic case. This is not a strategy that is going to win the internal debate, however dazzling it may be to non-Muslims who are eager to be convinced that their complacency is justified.

“Jordan queen says fight against IS key to saving Islam,” i24News, November 18, 2014:

Queen Rania urges support for US-led air strikes against jihadists, stresses need for education reform

Jordan’s Queen Rania on Tuesday urged support for US-led air strikes against the Islamic State jihadist group, saying the future of the Middle East and Islam was at stake.

“Our silence is the greatest gift” for IS, which has seized large swathes of Iraq and Syria, she told participants at a media summit in Abu Dhabi.

“We are complicit in their success,” added the queen.

She is married to King Abdullah II, whose Hashemite kingdom has joined the US-led air campaign against IS in Syria along with Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

“The coalition must be broader… It’s the fight for the future of the Middle East and Islam,” she said. “It’s a fight that we have to win.”

She said the fight goes beyond the battleground and is between moderates and extremists worldwide.

“Winning also depends on our ability to conquer the philosophical battleground as well. Because at the heart of this assault is an ideology,” she said.

Ain’t that the truth.

Queen Rania stressed the need for education reform, insisting that the followers of extremist groups are “from classrooms in which they were never challenged to think for themselves, and where they learned an outdated curriculum”….

Ah, in America we don’t have that problem — no, wait…

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  1. AnneM says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 11:33 am

    I wish her and her husband the King of Jordan all the best and God Bless, they will NEED IT.

    • Don McKellar says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 11:41 am

      You’ve got to be kidding.

      • John C. Barile says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 2:45 pm

        The Israelis and their government would agree with AnneM, I think.

        • Tommy Guns says

          Nov 20, 2014 at 9:23 pm

          Wasn’t it Jordan that recently condemned Israel for temporarily closing the Al-aksa Mosque in Jerusalem, due to security concerns, after Palestinians attacked Jews at the site????

        • EvenSo says

          Nov 21, 2014 at 5:33 am

          These are the same Jordanian people who held a 2 minute silence for the dead terrorists who butchered the Rabbi’s in Jerusalem while at prayer.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 4:31 pm

      She and her husband are Muslims who love and admire Muhammad, Allah, the Koran and Islam; and in addition they are leaders of a ruthless evil dictatorship. How dare you invoke God to “bless” them.

    • wattpuppy says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 2:42 pm

      Save Islam for what? Islam doesn’t need saving. It needs to be discarded like Naziism. One doesn’t save a fascist ideology.

  2. Boston Tea Party says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 11:45 am

    I wouldn’t worry, Queen Rania. Sure, thousands and thousands of Muslims are traveling from around the world to join ISIS, but I’m sure any day now many more thousands of Muslims who understand true, peaceful Islam will flock to the battlefield to fight AGAINST ISIS. Sure, so far, there have been about….zero….who have done that—but that’s no reason to think it won’t happen.

    • john spielman says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 12:12 pm

      the evil that is ISIS and islam will eventually stick queen Rania’s head on a pole! islam CANNOT be “reformed’ anymore than allah/ Satan can change his ways.

      • AnneM says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 1:03 pm

        …..Or force both her and her husband to FLEE Jordan.

  3. nabi ZK (pbum) says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Lest anyone doubt her commitment, recall that she and her husband have prior experience with this crowd. Abu Musab al Zarqawi, Baghdadi’s mentor, sent a pair of suicide bombers to a wedding party in Amman. Guests included many friends of the Royal family. King Abdullah doubled down on attempts to track and kill that p$%#k, which soon paid off. Oh yes. They want her pretty little head too and she knows it. May she remain safe.

    • John C. Barile says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      Nabi, my man! Where have you been secluded? I have so missed your pearls of Revealed Wisdom from Above.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 2:00 pm

      “They want her pretty little head too and she knows it. May she remain safe.”

      That’s the second solemn invocation of concern from a JWer for this Muslima. Man, JW’s getting soft.

      • nabi ZK (pbum) says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 4:44 pm

        Disdain for islam does not equate to hatred for mohametans. It is sad and unfortunate that she didn’t want her book translated to Hebrew. But she doesn’t deserve a death sentence.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 9:29 am

          ” It is sad and unfortunate that she didn’t want her book translated to Hebrew. ”

          Nabi, normally I love your caustic and often very funny posts, but I think you’re wrong on this one.

          It isn’t ”sad and unfortunate”. What it is, is normative mohammedan genocidal anti-_Semitism and vicious Jew hatred.

          Rania is no different from any other mohammedan in this. And while she has done *some* good work for children, she is very unpopular in Jordan, because of her nepotism, greed, and conspicuous consumption. And her husband is exactly the same.

          ” But she doesn’t deserve a death sentence.”

          If anyone pronounces a death sentence on her, it will be her own fellow mohammedans, carrying out the tenets of islam. Which she is so busy trying to whitewash, and pretend it is something it isn’t.

          I can’t help but think that you, and the others here who are defending her, are somewhat seduced by her undeniable physical attractiveness. If she looked like a bag of spanners, huddled in a burka, would you be defending her ?

          Again, why should we in the West, be concerned with ”saving islam” ? It is inimical to everything we believe in. Rania, and the Saudis, want Western aid to defeat ISIS, because they know very well that ISIS, if it gets the chance, will wipe *them* out, and that is *all* she, and others like her, care about.

          Let her come face to face with the fundamental tenets of the religion she espouses and defends, and tries to pretend is something other than what it is.

          And don’t forget, Jordan actually *lauds* the murderers of those Jews in the Israeli synagogue.

  4. Don McKellar says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 11:53 am

    I have come to the conclusion that we, the modern advanced, non-moslem world, need to step back and let the Middle East take care of itself. It is time for Saudi Arabia’s leaders to enjoy the evil they have worked so hard to create in a battle for their lives. America’s coffers will benefit greatly by such a move, instead of be drained, as these moslem against moslem fights need weapons, and they’re going to have spend their oil billions trying to save their own lives in places like the UAE and the like. The mirages of glass skyscrapers in the desert, the rows of luxury homes of rich tax cheats — all that will then have to be defended with billions of dollars in defence spending, most all of it bought from the United States.

    Yes, the smart thing to do is to let ISIS fester and go to war with the rest of the Middle East. The only things the US should do is sell their enemies weapons at full retail, and make sure Israel is fully stocked, too, and is the only state there that might get any other help.

    The more I think about this, the more I realize that it would be a spectacular way to turn the tables on the Islamic supremacists who have worked so hard and spent so much money trying to wreck western civilization. Let’s watch them struggle for their lives and spend like drunken sailors on American weapons, while their whole area goes up in flames.

    • mariam rove says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 12:06 pm

      have come to the conclusion that we, the modern advanced, non-moslem world, need to step back and let the Middle East take care of itself.

      Yes. This is the best solution. M

      • Barry K says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 6:34 pm

        Before the west started to intervene, I had started to pray for military intervention to check IS at least for the sake of the persecuted brethen and innocent. Here you ask the west to stay out ; and led the children and innocent be slaughtered cruelly with a kitchen knife like chickens ? A lot of comments on this blog borders on the insane.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 2:01 pm

        What about the millions of Muslims in the West, breeding like rabbits.

    • Rezali Mehil says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 1:00 pm

      It is time for Saudi Arabia’s leaders to enjoy the evil they have worked so hard to create in a battle for their lives.

      …Inshallah

      More Later…

      Rezali

      • ringgo1 says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        Don’t bother, sharmoota.

      • john spielman says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 2:18 pm

        now Ms Rezali which EVIL would that be? wahabi sunni islam or the EVIL of shiite islam? both are islamofacist doctrines based on the rantings of a demon possessed mass murderer, liar, thief,misogynist and pedophile!

        • Islami says

          Nov 20, 2014 at 3:25 pm

          Rezali is a Shia and I’m pretty sure a man

      • duh_swami says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 6:06 pm

        haha, I wonder why you would say that? Once ISIS takes all the smaller prizes, it will come after a bigger prize, Iran…The Ayatollah’s will have to leave town in a hurry…Of course Mahdi could show up to save them, but so far no one has heard from him…

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 7:11 pm

        The vile Rezali Mehil wrote:

        It is time for Saudi Arabia’s leaders to enjoy the evil they have worked so hard to create in a battle for their lives.

        …Inshallah
        ………………………………

        Rezali Mehil is fine with Muslim savagery as long as it is perpetrated by Shi’ites.

      • pumbar says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 1:20 am

        Have you finished “chaining” yourself? Your dad needs it back so he can flush the toilet.

    • Mirren10 says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 3:08 pm

      ”I have come to the conclusion that we, the modern advanced, non-moslem world, need to step back and let the Middle East take care of itself.”

      I would agree, with the sole exception of **Israel**. That is the one country in the Middle East that reflects our own values, morality, culture and beliefs, and is hence the one country we should whole-heartedly support.

      I would enter a further caveat; the **Christians** of the Middle East. Whilst many of them carry the curse of decades/centuries of dhimmitude, and have unfortunately imbibed the anti-Semitism of the mohammedans surrounding them, they are not a hopeless cause – the *tenets* of Christianity argue against anti-Semitism and dhimmitude, and these people can be rescued from the veneer of mohammedanism which is coating them. We should be arming and supplying them, so they can have a fighting chance of survival in the surrounding maelstrom.

      As for the rest ? The *only* reason people like Rania et al are clamouring for Western help in overcoming ISIS is they see ISIS as a threat to their own hegemony, and their comfortable, ‘Westernised’ flavour of islam. Why should *we* help to ‘save islam’ , when it is the enemy of everything we believe in, and value ? And I seem to remember this Queen Rania wrote, or it was ghosted, a children’s book which she refused to have translated into Hebrew. mohammedans are **all** raving anti-Semites, why should we indulge and enable their genocidal anti-Semitic hatred ?

      Let’s arm the Christians, continue to support Israel, but much more **unequivocally** than has been the case, and leave the rest of the mohammedans to get on with the koranically mandated business of slaughtering each other for being ‘insufficiently islamic’.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 7:12 pm

        Seconding that, Mirren.

        Support Israel and arm (and train) the Christians. That’s the ticket.

        As far as the Christians go: either they have to be got out of the middle east altogether (it’s called consolidation and cutting your losses) in emulation of what Israel did for the Jews of Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, etc; or one would have to do a “Kosovo”-style intervention to enable the creation of a secular-and-Christian-ONLY state centred on what is now Lebanon.

        It won’t happen now, but let’s just allow ourselves to imagine if Russia and America – respectively the daughters of Eastern and of Western Christendom – were to unite their forces to rescue the *truly* persecuted; to create a Mont Liban redivivus, out of which every last Muslim of any stripe would be relentlessly turfed into what are now Iraq and Syria, and into which all the remaining Christians of Iraq and Syria – those who wished to remain within cooee of their ancestral indigenous homelands – could gather, reinforcing the remaining Maronites, and perhaps – perhaps, if they behaved – the Druze and Yazidis. Western border: the sea, protected by US and Russian warships. Southern border: Israel, no worries there; mutual assistance-and-protection. On the north…well, *some* judicious and strictly-conditional assistance might be given to the Alawites so they can function as a buffer zone against the ummah. Eastward: build a wall of steel and obliterate any jihadi who puts so much as a toe – or a claw – over it.

        Another wild idea of mine… and why can’t we kuffar dream BIG geopolitical dreams, the megalomaniacal mohammedans do it all the time? – is that Sinai is the logical place for a **Coptic** state – Nova Aegyptia. Imagine if a regenerated and head-cleared USA under a no-nonsense Islamosavvy POTUS – somebody like Allen West -were to join with Israel and Russia (yes, Russia) to relentlessly root out all the Mohammedans from everything between Gaza and the Suez; they could go to Egypt or the Islamic State/ Iraq. Then all the Copts from Egypt make exodus and move into Sinai and – with some advice and counsel from Israel, and investment from other non-Muslim states – make the desert bloom. Oil, tourism, pilgrimages to St Catherine, desert oasis farming; and intensive agriculture in Gaza. Gaza is actually pretty fertile and used to have orange groves and vineyards; I’ll *bet * that hardworking Copts could make it into a paradise. No more rockets hitting Israel from Gaza or Sinai!

        That way, you’d have, from the Suez right up to Mont Liban, three exclusively-non-Muslim states: Coptic, Jewish, Maronite-and-Assyrian who would each have seaports and at least one border with a non-hostile non-Muslim state. Economically-viable and militarily defensible. A bit of pushback by the dar al Harb; long overdue.

        • Ernie says

          Nov 21, 2014 at 10:57 pm

          WOW , I like your dreams very much Dumbledoresarmy ! Indeed the picture you’re giving/sketching is one of tremendous possibilities and hope for so many people if this could be materialized . : Ernie

    • Wellington says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 5:12 pm

      We have had our disagreements in the past, Don McKellar, but I agree with your comment on this thread. After all, and as I have written here at JW before, there are four givens in life: 1) death; 2) taxes; 3) Muslims killing non-Muslims; and 4) Muslims killing fellow Muslims. 4) is far preferable to 3) and both 4) and 3) overlap with 1).

      I would add that doing everything feasible (not pie-in-the-sky stuff though) to lessen Western dependence on Middle Eastern oil (one of two major exports from the Islamic Middle East, the other being terrorism) would be a highly wise thing to do as well.

    • Tommy Guns says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 9:18 pm

      Hmmmmmm……I like it Don. If the West is only going to go at ISIS in a half-hearted way, as they are now, why even bother dragging this war out for years to come? Let the Arabs go at it with each other. We’re never going to understand their ideology, so why bother trying to make changes in the Middle East?? We’ve already gone that route, and what has it proven?? Nothing. They have their view of the world, and we have ours, and that’s NEVER going to change.

      • Mirren10 says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 9:29 pm

        ”They have their view of the world, and we have ours, and that’s NEVER going to change.”

        Yep.

        Kipling got it right:

        ”East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”

        To try and pretend mohammedans have the same values as civilised Westerners is to be determinedly and wilfully blind.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm

          Kipling’s famous dictum certainly got it right; ironically, Kipling himself seems to have been a flaming proto-PC MC, full of starry-eyed sympathy, concern, curiosity about the Indian Other (with no real intelligent distinction between Hindu & Moslem) and full of excessive cynicism and criticism of his own British Empire.

  5. Jay Boo says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Jordan appears to be in the crosshairs.
    If ISIS comes to visit, Queen Rania might want to pack up her fancy pants and skedaddle out of there with a hijab to cover up her salon styled hair.

  6. Dave J says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    She would seem to be in a precarious position: Rich, educated, progressive and beautiful with no hajib, an exceptional Muslim, so many Muslims off course hate her.

    I agree with Don, all the various Muslim sects, nations and tribes should be encouraged to use their wealth and weapons to fight to the death. (Not that they seem to need much encouragement).

    The West should cease all foreign aid and subsidized weapons to these countries and be staunchly prepared to weather oil supply issues, it will be worth it in the long run.

    This is primarily a Sunni vs Shiite war, we should not be involved except if they strike at us as infidels. Then we should strike back hard.

    • Dave J says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      Correction: hijab.

      BTW, I’m fine with a hijab as a scarf that covers the hair but leaves the face open. It’s the burkas and balaclavas that disgust me.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 2:09 pm

      “She would seem to be in a precarious position: Rich, educated, progressive and beautiful with no hajib, an exceptional Muslim, so many Muslims off course hate her.”

      Jesus Christ, another Jihad Watcher swooning at the sight of a female beauty and forgetting the black Muslim heart beneath what’s skin deep.

  7. TNT says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Yes she says it’s an ideology, and reform discussions will show it to be an ideology, many Muslims need free independent thinking to discuss this ideology and the west in its once freedoms could give them the very opportunity, but in the current dismal situation of that freedom under the heavy influence of liberalism and the muruna. it appears that reform has a better chance taking place in the Middle East now where it is plainly oblivious Islam is more freely discussed. If all goes according to scripture, reform just may begin In the Middle East namely Jordan, people need to know the truth about their ideology. Psalm 83 comes to mind ” cover their faces with shame so that men will seek your name O Lord . ” Reform may just begin to flourish in Jordan and spread out from there. But it won’t avoid any wars, it’s quite obvious now that there’s no turning back. As per the speech Erdogan gave on Monday. And the Jordan Queen knows this. She is in favour of saving Islam, but Islam is the root cause for the call of the Caliphate Ottoman the 7 th to rise again from the healed wound. A reform could very well help many who do not know the Quran in its full entire context realize what Islam really is and very well help them to break into independent though. So does the Jordan Queen know and reject much of what is written in the three books ? And wants to adapt more of the modern way of living standards? Bring the Middle East up to the westerns way of life of advancements? It will not happen as long as Islam chains people to its demand of submission. But a reform will certainly cause many to leave the ideology. And weaken Islams grip on people. What a massive ideological wall to break through. Especially since Erdogan painted a more attractive vision of Islam for Sunni and Shia Muslims. He follows Hitler propaganda, as he calls for the healing and rise of the Ottoman Empire( state) the 7th, in unity and peace among all Muslims. He will make Hitler look like a puppy if he wins the hearts of the majority of Muslims , which Iran is supporting . And the Jordan Queen will face extermination for resisting. Look out Saudi Arabia! Wahhabism may very will be replaced by Sufism as the spiritual head of Islam. And if Iran gets their way to rise the Mahadi they won’t need Mecca anymore. That’s their vision of reform being lead by Erdogan. The Jordan Queen is facing severe consequences. The cauldron of Islam is boiling .

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 2:11 pm

      “Yes she says it’s an ideology, and reform discussions will show it to be an ideology, many Muslims need free independent thinking to discuss this ideology … blah blah fucking blah.

      Muslims don’t “need” anything. WE need to protect our societies FROM them. Full stop.

  8. RonaldB says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Let’s remember that ISIS, and the Muslim Brotherhood, takes the point of view that the present governments are insufficiently Islamic and must be toppled. That’s why you’ll find the governments of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE directly involved in the fight against ISIS. ISIS has, as a direct objective, to topple them.

    In other words, how modern Queen Rania is, has nothing to do with her position and the involvement of Jordan in the coalition against ISIS. The coalition against ISIS has nothing to do with the reform of Islam, and everything to do with the coexistence of an Islamic establishment and a separate government.

    So one coalition partner, Jordan, talks about “reforming” Islam, and another partner, Saudi Arabia, talks about “defending” Islam. Neither should be trusted by the United States except as allies of convenience.

  9. SuperSwede says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    What does she mean, an ideology? IS has absolutely nothing to do with islam, it’s all because of islamophobia and poverty that muslims from all over the world join them! At least that’s what politicians and media tell us.

  10. katarzyna says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    and ‘Jordan’s Parliament Prays for ‘Hero’ Jerusalem Terrorists’, Arutz Sheva

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      Yes, I wonder who is more representative of the people of Jordan ….. their queen or their members of parliament? By the way, how often do Jordanians elect members to parliament ….. and how often do they elect a queen?

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 2:12 pm

        Jordan is a ruthless dictatorship masquerading as a civilized polity. The masquerade has many Westerners fooled; including you, apparently.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 10:12 am

          Voeg, now how do you know that?

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 10:22 am

          My comment was in response to katarzyna’s statement that the Jordanian Parliament supported the killers in Jerusalem as heroes. These members of parliament are elected by the people of Jordan (supposedly) and therefore must be more representative of the people of Jordan than the queen …. since the queen is not elected by the people. Thus, I’m was trying to get across that the people of Jordan are not as open minded about Jews ( or Christians or other “infidels”) as their parliament. Apparently, I was too subtle in my comment.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 10:25 am

          Sorry, my mistake again. I meant to say the people of Jordan are not as open minded about their religion as their queen (or as open minded as she is trying to appear to be, I suppose I should also say.)

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 5:20 pm

          No, Jordan is a dictatorship; the Parliament is rubber-stamping whatever the King wants.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Nov 23, 2014 at 10:49 am

          Okay, the Jordanian parliament is bicameral and is divided into a senate and a house of representatives. The members of the senate are appointed by the king and the members of the house are elected by the people. There is also a king and a he picks his queen. You say that’s a dictatorship but it looks like a constitutional monarchy to me. If Jordan is a dictatorship then what do you call England’s form of government?

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 24, 2014 at 1:43 pm

          Jordan has the skeleton of Western government because the West imposed it upon them via Colonialism. The heart, brain, muscles, nerves, sinews and vital organs are all Mohammedan.

          The British government, on the other hand is (for the time being), non-Islamic. You should need nothing more to agree with me.

  11. Boston Tea Party says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Another thing to consider is that many of these Arab governments are reluctant to commit any ground forces against ISIS, because they fear the possibility of large-scale defections of their troops to ISIS’s side.

  12. Alex says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Funny, that. I know an immigrant from Jordan, devout muslim (very much so). I can’t say here what he told me about his feelings/beliefs regarding Islam, the Jews and jihad, but let me tell you it could well be material for the authorities to investigate on that guy just in case. He really scared me.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm

      Where do you live? Australia, Canada, USA, UK?

      In any case: If this man, this Muslim immigrant from Jordan has *frightened* you by what he has said about Jihad, Islam and the Jews…if he is giving you a bad feeling… then do. not. wait. even. one. more. moment.

      We were given “the gift of fear” for a reason. Trust your instincts; instincts that have been honed and given focus by your visits to this forum.

      REPORT HIM. (He may already *be* on a watch list, but don’t assume that he is: REPORT HIM).

      NOW. Today.

      And ..is he a colleague? A next-door neighbour? In what situation did you/ do you encounter him, that you were able to find out what his views are?

      Report him!

      You may end up saving your non-Muslim neighbours’ lives…or even your own.

      Ever read this brilliant piece by Michelle Malkin? – “I am John Doe”.

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/03/i-am-john-doe

      “Dear Muslim Terrorist Plotter/Planner/Funder/Enabler/Apologist,

      “You do not know me. But I am on the lookout for you. You are my enemy.
      “And I am yours.

      “I am John Doe.

      “I am traveling on your plane. I am riding on your train. I am at your bus stop. I am on your street. I am in your subway car. I am on your lift.

      “I am your neighbor. I am your customer. I am your classmate. I am your boss.

      “I am John Doe.

      “I will never forget the example of the passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 who refused to sit back on 9/11 and let themselves be murdered in the name of Islam without a fight.

      “I will never forget the passengers and crew members who tackled al Qaeda shoe-bomber Richard Reid on American Airlines Flight 63 before he had a chance to blow up the plane over the Atlantic Ocean.

      “I will never forget the alertness of actor James Woods, who notified a stewardess that several Arab men sitting in his first-class cabin on an August 2001 flight were behaving strangely. The men turned out to be 9/11 hijackers on a test run.

      “I will act when homeland security officials ask me to “report suspicious activity.”

      “I will embrace my local police department’s admonition: “If you see something, say something.”
      I am John Doe….”.

  13. Porky The Crusader says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Personally, I just hope that islam has no future and the M.E will be obliterated by an asteroid bigger than the one that destroyed the dinosaurs….

  14. voegelinian says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Queen Rania could well become the Muslim Princess Di — with her looks, charisma and her international human rights activities over the years (look over her Wikipedia bio, detailing a long list of ostensibly impressive deeds (deftly interwoven with the subtly and distractingly colorful chatoyance of Muslim concerns (e.g., “Queen Rania stated that she is not opposed to women choosing to wear the Islamic veil hijab by their own volition as long as it is not compulsory….”), accolades and honors) — if she had a good Jewish publicist and agent perhaps (I hear Ari Gold is available and taking on new clients). At first glance, I assumed she must be the princess-daughter of Queen Noor, another blonde babe (who looked like actress Lindsay Wagner); but now I learn that, of course, the new ruler of Jordan since King Hussein died of cancer in 1999 must be a male heir, and thus Queen Rania is an unrelated female (though, on second thought, given the Islamic penchant for inbreeding, I suppose it’s not unlikely that these Beverly Dunebillies could be marrying a second cousin or two). One can surmise that, like father like son, the King of Jordan, Abdullah II ibn al-Hussein (who took over in 1999 when his father died), likes white looking blonde babes. His father not only married a blonde American beauty, Elizabeth “Lisa” Najeeb Halaby (born 1951 in Wash. D.C.), who went on to become the aforementioned Queen Noor in consort with her hubby habibi King Hussein, he had also married Muna al-Hussein — an Englishwoman formerly known as Antoinette Avril Gardiner (and the mother of his son the present King of Jordan, husband of Queen Rania). And while Queen Noor was a blonde American babe, she too was the progeny of Idiot White Western Females marrying Muslim men — specifically, she was the daughter of Najeeb Halaby, a Syrian born in Dallas, Texas in 1915 (!!!) whose Syrian Christian father (so Wikipedia tells us) emigrated to Texas in 1891 — and Doris Carlquist (Swedish descent — i.e., no doubt a blonde babe; divorced her in 1977).

    Her father Najeeb wasn’t just any old Syrian habeeb — he grew up to be an aviator, airline executive, and government official. He served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense in the Truman administration, before being appointed by John F. Kennedy to head the Federal Aviation Administration; then following that he had a successful private-sector career, serving as CEO of Pan American World Airways from 1969 to 1972 (and more distinguished and lucrative stuff after that, including advising Saudi business ventures, etc.).

    Aside from the gossip-magazine detail of this typically Arabic male penchant for the blonde babe that we see in the royal history (and, of course, of the disturbing penchant some white Western females evidently seem to have for the swarthy Arab male, blithely airheadedly, recklessly — yea traitorously — unaware (at best!) of the ghastly problems of their Islamic culture), there remains the Six Million Dollar Question: How did it come about that a Syrian Christian immigrant to the U.S. spawned a Muslim queen of Jordan (who, as Jihad Watch archives attest, has promoted Islamic evil in her own way — i.e., she has merely been a good mainstream Muslim)? A clue to the answer may be had in the Wikipedia bio of her father, Najeeb Halaby:

    Halaby’s paternal grandfather was Elias Halaby, provincial treasurer or magistrate in Ottoman Syria, who also came to the U.S. in 1891.

    I.e., Najeeb’s grandfather was a Dhimmi.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 7:41 pm

      Mate.

      You seem to be assuming that any identifying-as-non-Muslim person from a Muslim country – even if they plainly identify as a Christian – IS a Muslim and must be treated as such.

      Dhimmi or dhimmified, yes, some of them are; but a dhimmi is still NOT A MUSLIM. A dhimmi is someone whose forebears, for generations, endured HELL – centuries of grinding oppression and abuse – rather than take that final soul-destroying step into the Void and say the Shahada.

      A western non-Muslim woman who marries a Syrian Christian or a Lebanese Christian will get married in a *church* not a mosque and her kids will be baptised in a *church*. They will go to Sunday School, if the family is practising, *not* a madrasa.

      That ain’t Islam and you can’t tell me that it is.

      And dhimmitude is a problem, yes, but I don’t see it as an incurable diseas or unbreakable curse. It *can* be shaken off. It can be rejected; as Fr Gabriel Naddaf is showing us right now, in Israel. If someone’s faith is in the Biblical God rather than in the monster allah, then that someone can – if other non-dhimmi Christians know what they are doing – be DE-dhimmified. (That, presumably, alas, didn’t happen in the case of Elias Halaby; which is tragic). Of course, since *you* don’t believe that the Biblical God, the YHWH of the TaNaKh, is anything other than some sort of comforting illusion or delusion and not capable of or interested in doing *anything* in the here-and-now with actual people’s lives, you assume that exorcism and spiritual deliverance don’t happen and can’t happen.

      The likes of Mark Durie, who have much more experience in these matters than you do, know that it *can*.

      I assume you would prefer that every last Christian in the middle east be ignored and abandoned to be sadistically mass murdered down to the last man, woman and infant by Muslims, than that they be given refuge in the Western or wider non-Muslim world? You view these threatened-with-genocide people as nothing but “plague dogs”??

      Read Mark Durie’s The Third Choice – and the other book “Liberty to the Captives” – and learn something.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 20, 2014 at 11:45 pm

        Two words: Stockholm Syndrome.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm

          God this dumbledoresarmy pisses me off. How dare she elaborate obtusely on the premise of an utter lack of comprehension for the problem of dhimmitude, after all these years she’s spent digesting Jihad Watch articles?

  15. mortimer says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Let’s figger this out!

    NOW! ISIS is fightin’ IN THE NAME OF ISLAM to conker the werld!

    Right! And Queen Rainy IN THE NAME OF ISLAM is fightin’ ISIS.

    SO! They are both fightin’ one another IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!

    Which of those two are fightin’ fer ISLAM? Can’t be both, can it?

    How are they goin’ to save ISLAM if they’re both tryin’ to KILL IT?

  16. R Cole says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    It is clear this is a Holy War!

    Amazing how when your country is directly under threat – from without and within [portions of Jordan support IS] – then it is acceptable to say there is a problem with Islam.

    Before this Queen Rania always appeared like some Greek goddess – trying to rid westerners of their ignorance of Islam and – fight the evil ‘Islamophobia’.

    Now it’s all God and country — gather the troops – protect our palaces and our borders – and to fight to save Islam.

    It is about who controls Islam.

    And that is what makes it a Holy War essentially.

    ::

    On Islamic Education – How should we cut off a head teacher?

    The people in Islamic world – and Muslims here in the west – take their Islamic educational instruction primarily from the Saudis. They fund the mosques, they fund the after school Islamic indoctrination clubs [where western kids learn to chop off hands], and Muslims schools across the west and Muslim world – and they fund the far flung madrassas – after all these years and all this terrorism – if they wanted to change Muslim’s education they would.

    But faced with IS on their doorstep – Islam’s critics become irrelevant – Pastor So-and-So can barbecue a Koran tomorrow – and likely no one in IS’ war path would take notice.

    ::

    The Queen is calling for more people to join – then let them pay for it.

    If we were not in anyway threatened – we could simply hand them a cloth – and a bucket of water.

    Without reform – Islam is a spent idea – and a dangerous one at that.
    And if this continues – what is criticism now – will become law.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 4:02 pm

      Queen Rania’s concern is nothing new or out of the Islamic norm — all the tin-pot dictators of the various Muslim countries have been looking over the shoulders for decades worried about jihadists fomenting a coup (and the “Arab Spring” has been just that — successfully in a few instances), routinely rounding up jihadist suspects to be tortured in dungeons when not executed. This perennial anxiety of the tin-pot dictator includes the Saud Royal Family, who among other Islamic plots to overthrow them, had to call in French help when in 1979 hundreds of jihadists commandeered the Ka’aba in Mecca. One measure of how fiercely dictatorial a given Muslim regime is, is how seemingly few threats to its power there are: we may thus assume Saudi Arabia is the most draconian in terms of rounding up, torturing and executing jihadists; with second place perhaps to Assad (and even that dictator is being threatened now). Same for Jordan, which thanks to its blonde babe Humanitarian Queens (Noor, and now Rania) enjoys a veneer of moderation, but you can bet your bippy it has remained stable because of ruthless measures over the years against threats to internal security (indeed, the Iraq Sunni-Shia Civil War has stirred up quite a few, such as the suicide bombing in 2005 of a posh hotel complex in Amman, Jordan, called the Radisson Hotel, and at the same time two other hotels, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn — with the death toll totaling 57.

      More details here:

      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/11/patricia-patty-akkad.html

      And remember what should be the Counter-Jihad’s rule of thumb: Whenever you see Muslims disagreeing with each other, or threatening each other, or killing each other (or one Muslim defending himself against another Muslim) — never ever ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never ever never assume that the seeming victim of the equation is somehow a good or moderate or decent Muslim who is not ALSO our enemy.

  17. Champ says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    IS puts forth the evil face of islam …whereas Queen Rania represents the SofterSide–how nice.

    Hmm, will the real islam please step forward, and what *IS* the truth about islam?

  18. Dave J says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    More on she-with-the-delicate-neck:

    http://www.maryannsieghart.com/uncategorized/queen-rania-of-jordan-the-new-marie-antoinette/

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 4:41 pm

      In that article (whose author, incidentally, independently noticed that Queen Rania is, or could be, a kind of Muslim Princess Di), there’s this important observation:

      Rania had worked in marketing for Citibank and Apple and spoke perfect English. When she became queen she threw herself into selling Jordan to the West. It wasn’t long before she was appearing on the Oprah Winfrey Show, sitting on the board of the World Economic Forum in Davos and building up a network of mega-rich celebrity friends.

      To Americans, this was a revelation. A Muslim woman could be as glamorous as a western one! She was intelligent and modern and spoke up for the rights of women. Maybe the Middle East wasn’t so barbaric after all.

      The second paragraph is the crucial part: Queen Rania for years has been ostentatiously promoting herself in a Good Cop capacity (read also her Wikipedia bio — a glittering litany of accomplishments in international human rights, with an emphasis on the world’s Children, etc.) — and such efforts do help the Stealth Jihad enormously. But as we know (or should know), the Good Cop tactic in the Stealth Jihad would not work so effectively if there were not so many blitheringly naive idiots in the West to lap it up (including even in the Counter-Jihad, albeit more subtly so, given the yoga contortions their minds have to go through since they have autodidactically learned so much about how alarmingly dangerous and evil Islam is).

      • nabi ZK (pbum) says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 4:54 pm

        Yes, mohametanism is a danger to all non-mohametans. But still that is no reason for her to lose her head.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 12:12 am

          But it is a reason for us not to care about her.

  19. Boston Tea Party says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    Guys, I think this is the start of something big! It’s going to be just like the Spanish Civil War, when liberals and leftists from around the world traveled to Spain to fight the Spanish fascists. The brave, heroic liberals of today are going to carry on that tradition, and volunteer to help all the brave moderate Muslims fight ISIS, all in the name of true, peaceful Islam. Why, so many American liberals will volunteer to go fight ISIS that, just like in the Spanish Civil War, we’ll have whole brigades of American liberals in combat. In that war, the Americans were grouped into the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. Today, we’ll have to call it the Ibrahim Hooper Brigade, or maybe the Reza Aslan Brigade. Maybe the British could form a Baroness Warsi Brigade. These brave western liberals will stand shoulder to shoulder with the thousands of moderate Muslims who are so outraged by ISIS, and will fight those extremists (who misunderstand Islam) to their last breath. Surely, ISIS won’t stand a chance against the combined alliance of liberals and Muslims, all standing up bravely for true, peaceful Islam!

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 20, 2014 at 4:35 pm

      Nice and amusing analogy (and not at all implausible).

    • pumbar says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 2:27 am

      Oh, if only!! I can imagine it, AK47 in one hand and a skinny Chai latte in the other.

  20. Sam says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    I am not optimistic about this gorgeous woman’s comments unless the infidels unite and declare that Islam is evil and offer suggestions to get rid of it. However, it is OK that “other” muslims get together and fight ISIS. Even if ISIS is destroyed, the source of evil will remain intact even with more strength as it will say to the world” look we are moderate, good muslims”. Islam will be untouched again and again to make life miserable for all. Islam must be destroyed. PERIOD.

  21. Wellington says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    Just ponder for a moment what this woman knows about Islam versus what Robert Spencer knows about Islam. In other words, her ignorance of the spiritual fascism which is Islam sustains her.

    Not surprising in the least. To be a sincere fan of Islam in the sense that one believes it compatible with such things as women’s rights, democracy in general, freedom in general, equality under the law, etc., you have to be ignorant of what Islam really stands for.

    No exceptions. None whatsoever. Yes, no one can truly comprehend what Islam represents and still be a sincere defender of liberty and equality under the law. I challenge anyone to refute me on this. I say it can’t be done. Prove me wrong.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      “To be a sincere fan of Islam in the sense that one believes it compatible with such things as women’s rights, democracy in general, freedom in general, equality under the law, etc., you have to be ignorant of what Islam really stands for. ”

      Yeah, but it’s unreasonable and frankly outlandish for us to suppose she’s that ignorant of her own Islam. We must therefore rule out ignorance as an explanation. The other way to save her — that her brain is damaged either congenitally or through some accident — obviously is to be excluded.

      There remains only that she knows, but she’s pretending not to know. Hmmm, Muslims never do that, do they?

      Man, you JW Softies piss me off.

      • nabi ZK (pbum) says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 5:06 pm

        Possibly she is living in her own private islam and can not bear to admit the evil which lies within her complete worldview. How many could easily admit that everything they believed was evil and wrong and stupid to boot. How many could easily come to that realization. I think there is a reasonable chance that she is in islamodenial. Being of “palestinian” origin, no doubt, Jew hatred is bred into her every fiber. But this nabi, nabi ZK (pbum), is willing to bet that she really believes islam is a religion of peace and just peachy keen.

      • Wellington says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 6:04 pm

        I take it, voegelinian, that you think people like Zuhdi Jasser and Irshad Manji are also, in full Machiavellian mode, deceiving most everyone. I submit there is deception going on but it is with themselves, not with others.

        God knows, speaking to many Christians as I have over many decades, I have regularly been amused (and sometimes disconcerted) when I found out how little they know of their own faith. Ditto for a lot of Muslims too I submit. Difference is that Christians ignorant of their own religion is an innocuous matter, contra Muslims deficient in this regard.

        You know, you don’t want to underestimate people but one should also be on their guard against overestimating folks. Gotta’ get it just right. I’d bet 5-2 odds that Queen Rania actually believes the nonsense she spouts. I admit she might not, but I’m inclined in the 5-2 range to think she does.

        As ever I remain

        Just one more Ole’ JW Softie,

        Wellington

  22. gravenimage says

    Nov 20, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Unfortunately, this is an ideology that Queen Noor—and all other Jordanian Muslims—share with ISIS.

    The fact is that Jordan isn’t really all that “moderate”, either. Child marriage is rampant there, and they just banned Hallowe’en. The Arab Bank there funds bombings in Israel, and a Jordanian parliamentarian said that Jihad savagery against Israel cannot be considered terrorism. A Jordanian newspaper quoted the Qur’an, urging Muslims to slaughter Jews. Unveiled women may not testify in court. “Honor Killings” are largely winked at there—such murderers receive reduced sentences.

    Queen Rania and Queen Noor are just the attractive and superficially Westernized face presented to the West.

    The fact is that Jordan is full of supporters of the Islamic State:

    “Jordanian city filled with Islamic State supporters: ‘The Islamic State is here to stay. Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi is our prince.’”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/jordanian-city-filled-with-islamic-state-supporters-the-islamic-state-is-here-to-stay-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-is-our-prince

    The fact is that this has more to do with the current regime staying in power in Jordan than it does with genuinely differing views of Islam.

    It is just the same in places like Saudi Arabia, where such a claim would be even less plausible.

  23. shabeer_hassan says

    Nov 21, 2014 at 12:21 am

    ISLAM VS ISIS,BOKO HARAM AND AL-QUEDHA
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog//index.php?topic=1714.0

    IDENTITY OF ISLAM: QURAN & SUNNA OF OUR RASOOL(SA)

    PEOPLE MAKING SELF LAW/BID’A PROHIBITED/SELF MAKING HARAM/PERSONAL OPINION

    28: 50. But if they answer you not (i.e. do not believe in your doctrine of Islâmic Monotheism, nor follow you), then know that they only follow their own lusts. And who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, without guidance from Allâh? Verily! Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, disobedient to Allâh, and polytheists).
    38: 26. O Dâwûd (David)! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth (and justice) and follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allâh. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allâh (shall) have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning//////
    No fight with surrendered warrior:
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 354
    Narrated ‘Ubaidullah bin ‘Adi bin Al-Khiyar:
    That Al-Miqdad bin ‘Amr Al-Kindi, who was an ally of Bani Zuhra and one of those who fought the battle of Badr together with Allah’s Apostle told him that he said to Allah’s Apostle, “Suppose I met one of the infidels and we fought, and he struck one of my hands with his sword and cut it off and then took refuge in a tree and said, “I surrender to Allah (i.e. I have become a Muslim),’ could I kill him, O Allah’s Apostle, after he had said this?” Allah’s Apostle said, “You should not kill him.” Al-Miqdad said, “O Allah’s Apostle! But he had cut off one of my two hands, and then he had uttered those words?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “You should not kill him, for if you kill him, he would be in your position where you had been before killing him, and you would be in his position where he had been before uttering those words.”
    Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2639
    Narrated Jarir ibn Abdullah:
    The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) sent an expedition to Khath’am. Some people sought protection by having recourse to prostration, and were hastily killed. When the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) heard that, he ordered half the blood-wit to be paid for them, saying: I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists.
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 5,11
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 173,176 ,178
    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4361
    Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2646

    PROPHET SA ORDERED : ISLAM PROHIBITED EVEN KILLING SURRENDER WARRIOR,I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW CAN JUSTIFY KILLING JOURNALIST.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 22, 2014 at 11:04 pm

      The loathsome Taqiyya artist shabeer hassan wrote:

      ISLAM VS ISIS,BOKO HARAM AND AL-QUEDHA
      ………………………………

      There is no “vs”—ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al Qaida are prefectly Islamic.

      More:

      PROPHET SA ORDERED : ISLAM PROHIBITED EVEN KILLING SURRENDER WARRIOR,
      ………………………………

      What absolute crap—the above Hadith quoted by shabeer hassan doesn’t prohibit Muslims murdering surrendered or unarmed warriors, but just those who have converted to Islam, and whose conversion is accepted as sincere.

      The fact is that—notoriously—the vicious “Prophet” had up 900 unarmed men—the entire adult male population—of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe—beheaded on his orders.

      More:

      I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW CAN JUSTIFY KILLING JOURNALIST.
      ………………………………

      More rot. The foul “Prophet” had quite a number of his critics—many of them non-violent poets including a nursing mother—assassinated for daring to criticize him. It just the same with any Western journalist that falls short of untrammeled gushing praise of ISIS.

      Murdering these journalists could not be more Islamic.

  24. Champ says

    Nov 21, 2014 at 12:27 am

    We are not buyin’ the nonsense that “shabeer_hassan” is sellin’ …

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 22, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      Yeah, but too many of your buddies at JW are buying what the Pretty Muslima Queen is selling.

      • Champ says

        Nov 22, 2014 at 11:16 pm

        …you don’t say!

  25. Harry Harif says

    Nov 21, 2014 at 4:52 am

    My biggest problem with the Queen is the only video I have found is of her saying these things was in English not Arabic. So to me it is for American and English consumption, not the Islamist’s.

  26. Edward Cline says

    Nov 21, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Rania, Queen of the Airheads. I’m guessing she’s as clueless about the Islamic State being…well…all about Islam, as are our own politicians and pundits. Someone should sent her a note: “The ‘I’ in ISIS or ISIL stands for Islam, not Iceland. nor Ipanema, nor Italy, nor Islington.” But then any American or Western woman who marries a Muslim already has a damaged frontal cortex.

    • voegelinian says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 2:42 pm

      No, she’s not clueless.

      • nabi ZK (pbum) says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 5:07 pm

        But possibly in islamodenial.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 5:25 pm

          “Possibly”? You’re willing to risk the lives of your loved ones over the Muslim Roulette of “possibly”? Go ahead and do that; but don’t endanger my life and the lives of my loved ones.

      • Wellington says

        Nov 21, 2014 at 6:07 pm

        How do you know, voegelinian?

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 12:14 am

          We must err on the side of our self-defense. At least if we consider our safety our #1 priority. Apparently, you don’t.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 12:18 pm

          I don’t mind erring on the side of self-defense. Indeed I heartily support such an approach. I merely asked about your certainty respecting this woman’s convictions.

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 24, 2014 at 1:45 pm

          God Wellington is obtuse.

  27. mark says

    Nov 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    The only reason these countries that still have monarchies are against ISIS is because they threaten their power and status. They don’t want their own subjects rising up and becoming little revolutionaries and installing new governments. It has jack shit to do with them wanting to save this mythical version of peaceful Islam that doesn’t exist. I don’t believe anything short of the oil drying up or becoming worthless ‘saving’ Islam. Islam has no need to change, it’s turned a people who were nothing more than disbanded tribes of desert looters and thieves, into one unified tribe of looters and thieves that managed to enslave and occupy a good chunk of the world (who are now money rich and intelligence and culture poor). Islam is an excellent ideology and tool in conquest and control, why would it EVER change?

  28. Uncle Vladdi says

    Nov 21, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims:

    Sura (Chapter) 47:1-4 of the Qur’an:

    1: non-muslims are bad;
    2: muslims are good;
    3: Allah made them both like that;
    4: So muslims should chop off the non-muslims’ heads.
    (Allah could have done it himself, but he wants you muslims to do it for him).”

    …

    It’s all right there, in context: islamic violence is entirely general doctrine-driven, and not at all specific grievance-driven.

    (And chapter 47 isn’t by any stretch even remotely the worst, most violent chapter; that honor goes to either chapter 8 or 9).

    …

    So, if and when you consider islam to be a religion, you must agree with it’s main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?

    Bottom line: If you decide to believe in “allah,” you have declared yourself a criminal, and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession of “faith” in your crime-god will help us to do so.

    • The Buffster says

      Nov 21, 2014 at 10:19 pm

      “Bottom line: If you decide to believe in “allah,” you have declared yourself a criminal, and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession of “faith” in your crime-god will help us to do so.”

      This is idiotic.

      Robert Spencer himself would disagree with you on this.

      The fact is that many people who identify themselves as Muslims and say they believe in “Allah” don’t accept the whole package contained in the Islamic texts, and many haven’t even read them. Spencer has acknowledged this repeatedly in his writings and speeches.

      “Islam” as a doctrine is monstrous. But “Muslims” are human beings, individuals, who have the capacity to rationalise, evade, re-imagine, and cherry-pick.

      You can’t make a blanket judgment on all Muslims any more than you can say that all Jews follow Leviticus or that no one who calls himself a Christian would ever kill or torture blasphemers, just because Jesus forbade such behaviour.

      A person can be much better or much worse than the religion he professes to follow. You don’t punish people on a collective basis for crimes they have not in fact committed.

      You are, in essence, advocating the creation of the category of “thought crime”. People who uphold individual liberty don’t propose things like that.

      Maybe we should arrest you, convict you, and lock you up?

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 22, 2014 at 1:25 am

        This Buffster character is new on JW (perhaps); and he’s right about Robert Spencer’s implied position on Muslims. But he’s wrong about the issue. But most JWs (being the Softies they are) will probably be unable (or unwilling) to refute him.

        • Salah says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 2:13 am

          ” But most JWs (being the Softies they are) will probably be unable (or unwilling) to refute him.”

          or, as in my case, 100% agree with him!!

        • voegelinian says

          Nov 22, 2014 at 5:26 pm

          Hence the “unwilling” option.

        • The Buffster says

          Nov 23, 2014 at 5:16 pm

          So, Voegelinian, where’s your refutation then?

          (By the way, I’m a “she”, not a “he”.)

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