Dr. Jamal Badawi was several years ago a leading “moderate Muslim.” His “moderate” credentials were a bit tarnished, however, when he was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas terror funding case. According to Discover the Networks, “In 2004 Badawi issued a fatwa for Islamonline, outlining six different conditions in which a wife may properly be beaten according to his understanding of ‘Islamic teaching,’ because, he stated, ‘there are cases … in which a wife persists in bad habits.’ Badawi played a part in a November 2004 fatwa by the International Union of Muslim Scholars decreeing that it was a religious ‘duty’ for all able-bodied Muslims inside and outside Iraq to wage jihad against the American military….In an IslamOnline Internet forum in June 2006, Badawi justified Muslim suicide bombings as a legitimate tactic of jihad.” The Investigative Project on Terrorism reports that “Badawi has defended violent jihad including suicide bombings and has suggested that Islam is superior to secular democracy.”
Also, Jamal Badawi owes me a million dollars: several years ago, he offered a cool mil to anyone who could find a single verse in the Qur’an that condoned “religious war, or jihad.” I found plenty, but oddly enough, the good doctor refused to pay up!
Anyway, as if all that weren’t enough, this Star Tribune piece unwittingly highlights the cynicism of the entire Muslim Christian Dialogue enterprise, at least from the Muslim side: Zafar Siddiqui heads up his piece on this dialogue with a quote from the Qur’an in which Allah tells Muhammad to tell the People of the Book to agree with the Muslims to “associate no partners” with Allah. It is a common charge of Muslim apologists that Christians, in believing in the divinity of Christ, are deifying a human being and associating partners with Allah. So the verse is not really calling Christians to “dialogue” with Muslims, it is calling them to discard Christianity and become Muslim. And that is the agenda of the Dialogue as well, at least from the Muslim standpoint.
“Minnesota Achieves a Unique Distinction in Christian Muslim Relations,” by Zafar Siddiqui, Star Tribune, November 3, 2014:
“Say, ‘O people of the book’ [a term which particularly refers to Jews and Christians] ‘come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him (in His powers and divine attributes); that we erect not from among ourselves lords and patrons other than God.'” (Qur’an,3:64)
The history of dialogue between Muslims and Christians goes back 1400 years when a delegation of Christians visited the Prophet Muhammad in Medina for a dialogue. They stayed in the Prophet’s mosque for three days and even prayed in their own custom when it was time for their prayers.
In 1989, Minnesota saw the birth of the Muslim Christian Dialogue program jointly organized by the Islamic Center of Minnesota (ICM) and the Minnesota Council of Churches (MCC). The largest Islamic center in Minnesota and a major Christian umbrella organization coming together for such an edifying project set the tone of Muslim Christian relations in our state. The increasing Muslim population and an overriding need for Muslims and Christians to understand each other in a deeper way was a major motivator behind the initiation of this program….
Even topics that are perceived as “difficult” were discussed in a safe, peaceful, and nurturing environment that encouraged questions and provided honest answers….
In order to mark this momentous milestone, the ICM and MCC will be hosting a 25 years anniversary celebration on Nov 9 at 5:30 PM at the Islamic Center at 1401 Gardena Avenue, Fridley, MN 55432.
Dr. Jamal Badawi and Dr. Jay Rock will be the keynote speakers at this event. Prior registration is highly recommended as seats are limited….
Abdul Aziz says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxx08_QZQKs
Jamal Badawai on the Caliphate. A moderate, I think not.
Beagle says
“…a delegation of Christians visited the Prophet Muhammad in Medina for a dialogue. They stayed in the Prophet’s mosque for three days and even prayed in their own custom when it was time for their prayers…”
Anyone know where this story comes from? First I’ve heard of it.
I want my million too, but I’ll have to split it with RoP:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
Jay Boo says
As long as Muslims use Muhammad as their example their can be no dialog.
A message to Muslims:
“the windows to the soul”
Listen to the call;
it calls for a display to prayer,
Look into the ‘Prophet’s eyes, if you dare.
Nothing there, Nothing there,
Nothing there …
forthfaran says
In the Life Of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq,Written about 150 years after Muhammad there is a story of 3 Christians coming to see Muhammad. Muhammad basically told them that he knew more about Christianity than they did and that they should convert to Islam. They did prey in Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad accused them of linking God with a son and thought that the trinity was God,Jesus and Mary. when the Christians said that they had and do submit to God,Muhammad said they lied because they said that Allah has a son, worshipped the cross and ate pork. Muhammad made it quite clear by his words that he had no understanding of Christianity although he believed he did. The 3 Christians did not convert.
john spielman says
what’s with the always ongoing dialogue between islam and Christianity? there is no common ground between light and darkness ie- Christ and Belial(Satan/Allah)
mariam rove says
You said that right. M
Dave J says
“Difficult questions” – like why are Muslims instructed to tax, convert or kill all members of other religions (and atheists too, for good measure).
awake says
“A disproportionate share of anti-Christian persecution is, indeed, fueled by radical Islam. ”
Thank you for confirming that for us, Christy.
JeffS says
OT: I was considering doing a rare switch from voting Democrat to Republican in my congressional district to try to oust a long-term incumbent because of all this jihad crap. I wrote some questions to the Republican candidate, and he wrote back the answers below. I find them frustrating and no different to what a Democrat would say. Do any of my fellow Jihad-watchers see anything encouraging in these answers? The Democrat never wrote back so I can’t specifically compare answers. I have crossed over a few times when I really felt there was a difference, but this time, I don’t see one. Thanks for any advice you can give. Here’s my letter and his answers, with my comments in brackets:
I’m seriously thinking of switching from Democrat to Republican to vote for you. I’ll be fully convinced based on where you stand on a few questions I have:
1. What is your opinion of Israel and the Palestinian situation?
2. What should be done about ISIS?
3. Do you think that ISIS is practicing Islam?
4. Do you think Muslims should be profiled for terrorist activity?
5. What is your opinion of Islam in general?
1) I support Israel and believe that the Palestinian Authority needs to be told that if they do not cut off their alliance with Hamas they will immediately lose funding. [So he thinks the PA are the good guys and Hamas the bad guys, without showing any realization that they both want to wipe out the Jewish state].
2) I advocated for close air support strikes months ago in support of the Iraqi Army; unfortunately, those did not take place. At this point, we need to send modern arms to the Kurdish Peshmerga paramilitary in order to have a properly equipped ground force, and back them up with close air support strikes in order to drive ISIS back and take back the initiative. [Isn’t this what Obama is doing already?]
3) They are practicing their version of Islam. [At least he admits it’s Islam, instead of spouting the “it’s not Islam” BS]
4) I think that screening for terrorist activity should be based on profiles that fit country of origin or group affiliations. A Saudi national travelling into the US should get more scrutiny than a Dutch national, for example, because our modern terrorist threat comes from that region. [like a jihadist from Holland is less dangerous than a Saudi one? Please.]
5) Islam manifests in many forms; its extremist versions are a threat to our way of life, but there are interpretations of the religion that are peaceful. It’s my hope that those who follow a peaceful version of Islam will step up and strongly condemn/marginalize people trying to oppress women/institute sharia law/conduct violent attacks. [Yes, there we go with that unicorn again, “peaceful Islam”. Oy vais!]
Salah says
Sorry to disappoint you, JeffS, but rest assured that BOTH parties are corrupt and politically correct. The whole system is rotten.
It’s too late for the U.S. The old republic is dead. You’ll need a new one.
The U.S. Is Over, Get Used To It
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2014/10/the-us-is-over-get-used-to-it.html
Jay Boo says
That sounds a bit defeatist Salah, which is a bit ironic considering your over optimism on Muslims turning around and embracing freedom once fear of Islam is removed.
awake says
The difference is the Democrat didn’t bother to respond.
Champ says
Oh “Cut’nPaste” is back …the troll who gets all riled-up because she can’t handle the ugly truth about islam & company. Gee wiz got jihad much?
Jen says
It’s online stealth jihad. She’s just ‘doing her bit.’ She might not be able join her ‘brothers and sisters’ in the Islamic State but that doesn’t mean she can’t do her filthy bit to defend (the indefensible) Islam from the comfort of her sofa. She can’t defend Islam from a moral standpoint by staying on the topic of Islam, so she has to post about all other kinds of topics to take the focus away from Islam. If she’s not there already, she needs to head immediately to the Islamic State. Her outlook would be welcome there.
mortimer says
Dr. Jamal Badawi … a mendacious, taqiyya artist.
A professional liar for Islam, presenting Islam in an unreal, benign manner and soft-pedaling Islam’s misogyny, cruel punishments, hatred of ‘others’, warfare against disbelievers, slavery, supremacism, persecution of minorities and promotion of violence.
But lying for Allah isn’t lying.
Gary Fouse says
If anyone attends, I suggest they ask Badawi why he won’t sign the Freedom Pledge letter from Former Muslims United. It is a simple statement that American apostates from Islam should not be harmed. In 2009 and 2012, 200 Muslim leaders were sent this letter. Only two have signed. Badawi is among the other 198 who have refused to sign.
Some moderate.
R Cole says
When you look at these Muslim-Christian relations – you can begin to understand how it was that some countries were colonized – while Japan – which understood the military aspect of dialogue – was not.
There are some Muslims who believe that the west is ‘expectant’ with Islam – and that they hope to see Christianity – lock-stock and barrel under the ‘wider umbrella’ of Islam. Where Christians it is hoped will compromise on their values.
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Reports are that the problem with these ‘dialogues between you and us’ is that while Christians believe atrocities in its past were wrongs [without religious justification] – the Muslims do not believe the same of theirs. [They rather believe they killed a whole lot of people – rightly.]
That’s a start.
And of course these things are not meant to be easy!!
gerard says
Note the Zebiba..The Mark of the Beast.
KiwiKaffir says
Just what do Islamists have to do with the book anyway?
Jay Boo says
“THE BAD NEWS”
History still clearly proves that Islam’s “prophet” ADULTERATED both
the “BOOK” and the WIVES that were stolen from Medina’s murdered Jews
and (Safiya & Juwayriya) too.
Seabeesrule! says
I feel sick! Even more so than usual! It galls me how these muzzrats have lulled gullible stupid Americans, Christian Americans with this talk of coexistence etc when what they really do is use our laws against us, stab us in the back , take our welfare then want to kill us for it!! Wake up America! The usa WILL BECOME A CALIPHATE IN 20 YEARS or less I’m guessing if the democraps keep going! These Somali muzzrats are especially galling! They beg and plead for the west to save them then get here immediately go on welfare and demand halal foods! The utter ingratitude makes my blood boil and Minnesota is such a great state now it’s a mini Somali caliphate… My god barrack obola should stand for treason for all the unlimited IMIGRATION of JUST THIS POPULATION! Well I’m off to vote… God bless America everyone and God bless all of the patriots who read this site and mostly to pam Geller snd robert spencer! For all their hard work! DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT! IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH!
John Stefan Obeda says
I’m an 85 year old American living in Canada and I still vote by absentee ballot which I did some days ago and I too feel sick. Let us pray pray and pray for our country and even for the world and especially for the persecuted Christians and all of the people that the Islamists are murdering and do all we can to try to instruct people to know what Islam really teaches and stands for. The Muslim Obama and his blind followers are against our attitude and prayers and works, but we ignore that and even pray for them so that they see the light. Muhammad has started this war in about 627 AD and it will never stop, not until we can possibly get rid of the devil’s book, the Koran. “The true God, the Holy Trinity, help us please.”
Ray Caruso says
This man has a “zabiba” on his forehead. In my headier moments, I think that’s the literal Mark of the Beast.
John Stefan Obeda says
“A disproportionate share of anti-Christian persecution is, indeed, fueled by radical Islam.” So Christy admits. I wonder what “the disproportionate share” would be? Someone figures that, since the days of Muhammad, Islam has murdered between 250 to 270 million Christians following the example of their perfect model of behaviour and obeying their Koran to smite necks of the kafir which is still being done as I write this. But what would the murder of Christians by non-Islamists be since 627 A.D? Well, God knows. But even if it would be that non-Islamists would have murdered even more Christians than Islamists, that would not in itself glorify God, or be of any comfort to Christians, would it? The command of the true God still stands: “You shall not murder.” And God teaches that they who do so and die with an unrepentant heart and without faith in God’s Son Who took those sins of murder upon Himself and paid the consequences of those unrepentant sins will be separated from the true God and spend eternity in hell.
Mirren10 says
”Lol! There you go again with your hysterics and delusions Jen. This is why nobody takes you seriously :P”
Wrong, dear; it’s *you* we don’t take seriously. 🙂