Legend has it that when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the year 637, Sophronius, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, invited the caliph Umar to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Umar declined, explaining that if he did, the Muslims would convert the church into a mosque, as Muslim prayers had been uttered there.
Former FBI agent John Guandolo reported this in 2012 about two of the co-sponsors:
The ADAMS Center is a Muslim Brotherhood front organization. It was founded by some of the most senior Muslim Brothers in the United States, to include Ahmed Totanji, who still resides in Herndon, Virginia. Its website proclaims “[ADAMS] is a membership organization registered in the State of Virginia as a non-profit, tax exempt corporation and is affiliated with the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA).”
Imam Magid is the Executive Director of the ADAMS Center. He is also the President of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the largest Muslim Brotherhood organization in the U.S. which was found to be a financial support entity for Hamas in the largest terrorism financing and Hamas trial in U.S. history (US v Holy Land Foundation, Dallas, 2008).
And while CAIR is quite mainstream these days, this self-styled “civil rights group” was actually named an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case by the Justice Department. CAIR operatives have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror. CAIR’s cofounder and longtime Board chairman (Omar Ahmad), as well as its chief spokesman (Ibrahim Hooper), have made Islamic supremacist statements. Its California chapter distributed a poster telling Muslims not to talk to the FBI. CAIR has opposed every anti-terror measure that has ever been proposed or implemented.
Meanwhile, when are the Christian prayer services scheduled at the ADAMS Center mosque?
“In a first, Washington National Cathedral to host regular Friday Muslim prayer,” by Michelle Boorstein, Washington Post, November 10, 2014 (thanks to Mac):
Washington National Cathedral, known for hosting presidential funerals and other major spiritual services, will for the first time host weekly Muslim prayer services this coming Friday.
The Cathedral, part of the Episcopal Church, has long held high-profile interfaith events, and some mosques hold services in synagogues or churches if they need overflow space. But organizers said Monday that they are seeking to make a statement by having Muslim leaders come and hold their own midday services in such a visible Christian church.
“We want the world to see the Christian community is partnering with us and is supporting our religious freedom in the same way we are calling for religious freedom for all minorities in Muslim countries,” said Rizwan Jaka, a spokesman with the prominent ADAMS mosque in Sterling, one of the co-sponsors of Friday’s prayers. “Let this be a lesson to the world.”
The services, which begin around 12:20 and are for invited guests only, came out of a relationship between the Cathedral’s director of liturgy and the South African ambassador to the U.S., who is Muslim. The Rev. Gina Campbell and Ambassadaor Ebrahim Rasool worked together on a memorial service for the late Nelson Mandela, Jaka said.
“This is a dramatic moment in the world and in Muslim-Christian relations,” Rasool said in a prepared statement. “This needs to be a world in which all are free to believe and practice and in which we avoid bigotry, Islamaphobia, racism, anti-Semitism, and anti-Christianity and to embrace our humanity and to embrace faith.”
The event is co-sponsored by the Cathedral, Rasool and several Muslim spiritual and advocacy groups: ADAMS – whose full name is the All Dulles Area Muslim Society – the Council on American Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America and the Muslim Public Affairs Council.Rasool will deliver the khutbah, or sermon, at the service, which will be held in a part of the massive Cathedral “with arches and limited iconography.. almost mosque-like,” said a statement from the Cathedral….
noellsq says
their is no real Muslim Christian relationship,wait and see this the start of further bad things to happen. Give them an a finger and they will take an arm. It is unbelievable that CAIR is still around. Only in the west would this be tolerated . G-D please do not let the liberals make this country like Europe.
Darren says
CAIR an organization even the neutered FBI found evidence on is still allowed to freely operate, what’s worse many in the media have their stealth jihadist members on TV to talk about islam, like a self proclaimed Taqiyya artist is going to tell you the truth right? It’s like inviting a pedophile on to talk about ways to protect your children against the advances of their community. What a farce. Quit spending trillions on the whack a mole err war on terror nonsense I see no point. I’d rather have the money spent on creating jobs. Hey guys lets declare war on an enemy tactic while ignoring the larger problem the ideology that creates these “lone wolf” type attacks. Brilliant Mr. 3 star general, because of your brilliance I am not promoting you to a 4 star general and you are now in charge of our armed forces. Remember islam is peaceful and make sure you teach this to all of our soldiers and law enforcement. Bloody morons the lot of them.
Darren says
I meant now. It’s frustrating realizing the war on terror for the farce it is. What’s worse you have the sociopaths in power capitalizing on the fear of the sheep and using it as a pretext to implement Orwellian’s nightmare. Since when did sociopaths who view people as objects to be manipulated and used care about the safety of the people? Case in point the open borders bringing in diseases our scientists and doctors kicked decades ago. They care… LOL tell me another one. A shame people are so to lie to and manipulate, and when you get a crowd of people together it’s even easier to lie to and manipulate them.
Jaladhi says
These Christian Churches have lost all sense of being Christians as I see it, while Muslims are doing their stealth jihad “peacefully”. I think PC is invading all spheres of the Western world for which there will be a price to pay. Hope they realize it sooner than later!!
John spielman says
The “national cathedral” has always been aligned with the apostate Episcopal church with it’s über liberal theology. Just wait till the Muslims chop off the bishops head. I’m sure even that won’t waken this denomination from it’s deeply imbedded deceptions.
Darren says
If I were them I’d simply continue attacking the glaring weakness in the west, using any tactic that doesn’t use bombs and tanks. Keep engaging in stealth jihad until you gain a tactical advantage on the ground, you can speed up your efforts greatly utilizing the legions of useful idiots in the west who are lead by their emotions and feelings. Why use terrorist attacks in the west when they serve no strategic purpose and actually hurt you since more people wake up. I used to play chess with myself pretending I was them and thinking up ways to attack the west using different tactics and strategies, I eventually got bored, it’s too easy and there are too many weaknesses to exploit. This is further aided by knowing human nature, psychology and history.
Jeanne says
What you’re seeing is the apostate church.
mortimer says
Not really, it’s a NATIONAL place of worship and agree or not, all are welcome. Don’t count on a lack of awareness of Islam at the top of PECUSA.
Sally says
It may be a place for national worship but it was dedicated as a Christian church. It was founded by the Episcopal church and Episcopal services that are performed there every Sunday. I wonder why they felt they had to “reach out”. As a Christian, I have no interest in having a prayer service in a mosque. You have to ask yourself why the Muslims are so anxious to hold a service in a church. They don’t have to conquer us with guns and bullets. They just have to push their way into our schools, our government, and our churches. They’ll be instituting sharia law before we know it.
Jen says
@Sally
You have to ask yourself why the Muslims are so anxious to hold a service in a church. They don’t have to conquer us with guns and bullets. They just have to push their way into our schools, our government, and our churches.
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This. This is exactly what this is. Their ‘religion’ says that we are their enemy and yet, *somehow*, there are all these eager Muslims who are brimming with excitement to “reach out” to us. Could it merely be a coincidence? I think not. There are the violent Muslims who are actually attacking people, and then there’s the rest in the hornets’ nest who are “reaching out” peacefully, but with sordid intentions. They’re hoping to convert a few more people to Islam along the way, as well as creepily remove our symbolism over time. Once more symbolism such as ‘offensive’ crosses have been removed, they can then move on and covert the entire thing into a half church/half mosque, under the guise of allowing us to ‘accommodate’ their ‘religion’ because they are “part of our community too and shouldn’t feel excluded” and then eventually, when all barriers have gradually eroded, try to turn it into a mosque itself. I wouldn’t assume they don’t think this dirty.
stferdinandiii says
This is the work of the local priest and diocesan bishop. Both need to be removed. You dont invite pagan fascists who are murdering Catholics in the ME and beyond into your holy Cathedral. Morons as dense as the Latino Pope Frank The Least.
john spielman says
this is NOT the Roman Catholic Cathedral of Washington , but it is the Episcopalian (Anglican) church. Though I am fearful that Catholic pope Francis will lead many of the Catholics into apostasy as well!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Oh John: That’s a relief to hear! But as you say I’m sure the ‘Catholic’ cathedral won’t be far behind…
If it weren’t for the fact that we Catholics have a thriving, fast-growing Latin Rite Conservative Church as an alternate to the Post-Vatican II insanity? There’d be a lot fewer Catholics in this world.
And I have the exact same fears as you do, my friend, about the present Pope leading the Faithful into apostasy (God Forbid).
St. Joseph, as you protected the Child Jesus, protect us!
Salah says
“And I have the exact same fears as you do, my friend, about the present Pope leading the Faithful into apostasy (God Forbid).”
Yes, he is.
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/11/09/repost-the-cool-kids-dont-actually-believe-any-of-that-bullshit/
dumbledoresarmy says
What’s so special about Latin as such? Heretical texts have been written in Latin just as much as in any other language. Or do you regard English, French, German, and all the other nine thousand or so world languages as inherently inferior to Latin as regards capacity to express Biblical concepts and Christian devotion?
Let’s not forget that the First Testament, the TaNaKh, was written in *Hebrew* and the second Testament, the New Testament or Christian scriptures, was written in *Greek*. Latin wasn’t the *original* language of either part of scripture; the liturgy and Bible were *translated* into Latin in order to be comprehensible to all the converts in the western Roman empire for whom Latin was, at that time, the language of the home and of the street. Which is why the vulgate was called the vulgate: it was written in the language of the vulgus, or vulgar, the common folk. Not a special scholarly sacred language at all.
But then the languages *changed*.
Personally, I don’t see why a prayer in Latin should be thought of as having more value or being more “correct” or “true” than a prayer uttered in someone’s mother tongue, whatever that may be; in any case Jesus – Yeshua of Nazareth – being Jewish by ethnicity, not Italian, spoke Hebrew or Aramaic at his mother’s knee, and Aramaic on the Cross… not Latin!
c matt says
But he did speak Latin to Pontius Pilate.
The advantage of Latin is precisely that no one speaks it as a “vulgar” tongue anymore, therefore its meaning is fixed. Words don’t change meaning from generation to generation, or region to region, as it does in languages such as English – take the word “gay” for example.
deja vu says
@c matt
‘But he did speak Latin to Pontius Pilate.
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Highly unlikely. There’s no evidence whatever that Jesus spoke Latin. Greek was the lingua franca for much of the eastern half of the Roman Empire and, as an educated man, Pilate would certainly have understood Greek. Perhaps he understood Aramaic as well. It’s pure speculation as it is not recorded. In any case, it is no basis for declaring the Bible in Latin mandatory, thus making impossible for the ordinary man to study God’s word for himself through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
dumbledoresarmy says
Kathy
Is your own parish priest well informed about Islam? Have you shared with him Mr Spencer’s books – Inside Islam: A guide for Catholics, Islam Unveiled, and Religion of Peace: Why Christianity is and Islam Isn’t?? Australian Anglican parish priest and scholar, Rev Mark Durie, has written an excellent book analysing the evil dhimma system – “The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom”.
For if your priest *is* Islamosavvy, then he could heed the call of the 15th century Pope Calixtus after the fall of Constantinople, and after ringing the midday Angelus, he could revive the custom of ringing the “Turkish Bell”, only today, one might properly call it the “Jihad Bell”, or “The Summons to Prayer Against the Jihad”.
The “Turkish Bell” is mentioned in this article on the Angelus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelus
“The Angelus is not identical to the “Turkish bell” ordered by Pope Calixtus III (1455–58) in 1456, who asked for a long midday bell ringing and prayer for protection against the Turkish [that is, MUSLIM – dda] invasions of his time.
“In his 1956 Apostolic Letter Dum Maerenti Animo about the persecution of the Catholic church in Eastern Europe and China, Pope Pius XII recalls the 500th anniversary of the “Turkish bell”, a prayer crusade ordered by his predecessors against what they considered to be dangers from the East. [sic wiki: but it WAS the danger from the east, and STILL IS, indeed, it’s worse today! – dda]
“He again asks the faithful throughout the World, to pray for the persecuted Church in the East during the mid-day Angelus.”
Well! Imagine if all Catholic congregations within the West who had informed themselves about Islam and recognised its full meaning and menace, were to reinstitute this extra ringing of bells after the midday Angelus, and this additional prayer.
A prayer for 1/ the utter defeat of all forms of Jihad (stealth as well as military) 2/ the relief and deliverance of all those non-Muslims who are being oppressed and persecuted and attacked by Muslims, both within and bordering on Muslim-controlled “turf” and 3/ the conversion of Muslims to Christ.
Imagine if *this* were to be started by a parish here and another there, and then…catch on!
In any case: whether our priests and churches are yet up to doing something like this, or not, it’s a good discipline for each of us here who *is* a professing Christian – no matter what our tradition – to adopt.
At midday: stop and PRAY, for the exposure and defeat of the Jihad, for the perseverance and deliverance of all those who are being oppressed and persecuted by Muslims (and we can specifically name those closest to our hearts, whom we know about, such as our dear sister Asia Bibi), and for the conversion of Muslims.
Kepha says
@DDA: Good point about the biblical languages. Latin is no more sacred than English.
@cmatt: Actually, Jesus probably spoke Greek to Pilate, not Latin. Greek was the lingua franca of the eastern Med in those days; and Jesus might well have learned it in early childhood while in Egypt (see Matthew 2:14-15), the land where the Jews of a couple of centuries earlier had produced the Greek version of the Scriptures.
St. Joseph, enjoy your heavenly rest. Dear God our Father, through the Holy Spirit working through your Word from the apostasy surrounding us, in Jesus’ name. Amen.
Louise from Canada says
Anglican church no wonder, look at UK and you will understand why they are allowing these muslims in their church.
umbra says
The present pontiff is more a modern jesuit pope than a catholic pope.
ECAW says
Thanks for the link to Western-Civilization.com. It looks like an excellent resource.
ECAW says
Thanks for the link to your site stferdinand. It looks an excellent resource.
somehistory says
If the woman (Gina Campbell) and anyone else who helped arrange it, actually read their Bible…if they have one…she/they could clearly see what they are doing is against Christianity (1 Corinthians 10:21; Acts 17:11). They are sharing their *table* with demon worshippers. They are sharing… in contradiction to what the Bible says. “Can someone rake fire into their clothes and not be burned (Proverbs 6:27)?”
Jen says
She probably needs a Qur’anic education more than a Biblical one.
Either way…Muslims must be laughing their evil socks off again..
Darren says
They must be so bored taking advantage of our idiocy in the west that isn’t not even funny anymore. They might actually begin feeling pity at how dumb we are. I mean it’s like bullying a special needs kid in school, maybe our new strategy can be hoping they feel bad at how easy and dumb we are and find a new hobby. I know wishful thinking. I continue to laugh at the useless intel agencies of the west who for some reason (well we all know the reason) they can’t counter such an obvious tactic. Are they all too busy looking at child porn like I fear or is it something else? Anyway intel agencies I once again state you have no counter or defense against stealth jihad, and strategically it is the bigger threat. I know what do I know, I’m not in the know like you brilliant minds, anyway make sure to ask the imam teaching you islamic studies at the Pentagon about stealth jihad I’m sure he will be forthcoming. As we all know lying to infidels is forbidden in the quran, and muhammad was a holy man who spread the word of god and good deeds all across the mideast. I mean he was like the Johny Appleseed of virtue and goodwill towards mankind. Your wahabbi imam teaching you at the Pentagon about islam will agree.
Darren says
Anyway my quest continues to find out if the prophet (may shit be upon him) liked small penis. Penis Ackbar!
He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hasan’s) shirt & kissed his (little) penis..”
روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hasan or al Husein
رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart & kissed his (little) penis
Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 مجمع الزوائد لعلي بن أبى بكر الهيثمي
رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
translated in English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart & kissing his (little) penis.”
Related by Al-Tabarani & it’s authentication is good.
Darren says
This passage may finally shed light on some things, like why did muhammad treat women like animals. If as I suspect he was a self hating homosexual then it all makes sense. If the prophet (may shit be upon him) would have just come out with his gayness maybe there wouldn’t be so many violent passages in the quran. The prophet (may shit be upon him) was angry he could not express his love of small penis openly and this lead him to be angry at the world and take it out on women, children, and anyone else who disagreed with him.
He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hasan’s) shirt & kissed his (little) penis..”
روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hasan or al Husein
رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart & kissed his (little) penis
Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 مجمع الزوائد لعلي بن أبى بكر الهيثمي
رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
translated in English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart & kissing his (little) penis.”
Related by Al-Tabarani & it’s authentication is good.
Jen says
Penis Ackbar!
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hahaha
Jen says
“The prophet (may shit be upon him) was angry he could not express his love of small penis openly and this lead him to be angry at the world”
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You may be onto something here…
voegelinian says
She probably has Karen Armstrong on her Kindle.
Diane Harvey says
Those who are in charge of the National Cathedral might take a little bit of notice of your oh-so-typical Muslim “prayer” (especially the capitalized text),
[Translation of meaning:] O Allah! ALL Praise is due unto You. O Allah! none can seize what You have rescued, neither can anyone rescue what You have seized; and none can guide whom You have misguided, neither can anyone misguide whom You have guided; and none can deliver what You have deterred, neither can anyone deter what You have given; and none can make near that which You have made far, neither can anyone distance what You made near; O Allah! Rescue us by Your Blessings, and by Your Mercy; and by Your Grace; and by Your [ordained] Sustenance; O Allah! I ask You for steady bliss, that neither withers nor evades; O Allah! I ask You for bliss on the day of dreadfulness; and for tranquility on the day of fear; O Allah! I take refuge with You from the evil of what You sent our way [as fate], and the evil of what you didn’t send; O Allah! Endear to us iimaan (faith) and and adorn our hearts with it; and make us HATE kufr (disbelief), and sinfulness, and defiance; and make us from the well-guided ones; O Allah! Grant us death as Muslims; and keep us alive as Muslims; and join us among the righteous, without [us falling into] ill-repute and disenfranchisement [in Your court]; O Allah! WAR AGAINST THE KAFIRS – THE PEOPLE WHO CONTRAVENE YOUR PROPHETS AND AVERT YOUR [COMMANDED] PATH; AND UNLEASH ON THEM YOUR PUNISHMENT AND TORMENT; O ALLAH – THE TRUE GOD! WAR AGAINST THE KAFIRS WHO WERE GIVEN THE BOOK [I.E., PEOPLE OF THE BOOK].”
(Musnad Ahmad, An-Nasaaiy, At-Tabaraaniy, and others)
Jen says
I get a chill when I come across any kind of passage from Islam these days. How is this piece of evil regarded as divine? Imagine reading out of this and believing it wholeheartedly. This is why they are so cold-blooded.
duh_swami says
That’s a jaw dropper ainit? Prayer by invitation only…Is that normal for a church?
umbra says
Perhaps a sign of times to come. After all, many Hagia Sofia are now invitations only, as far as Christians are concern.
jihad3tracker says
Such exclusion is a clear admission that the organizers are barring the door to worshippers sick of Christians murdered by Muslims.
Privilege guilt & good intentions from Westerners get their foolish outreach eventually used as bait for MORE OFFERS of “interfaith outreach”.
dumbledoresarmy says
They’re probably afraid that somebody like *this* might turn up.
A little lady who upset the interfaith applecart – and how! – in a church in Germany.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/February/German-Woman-Publicly-Rebuking-Islam-Goes-Viral-/
“…when the Muslim imam began his call to prayer during the concert, he was interrupted by a small woman in the balcony proclaiming that “Jesus Christ alone is Lord of Germany,” and shouting, “I break this curse.”…”.
Nothing to say that something like that *can’t* still happen, whether inside or outside of the Cathedral.
Jen says
Good woman. I’m proud of her. This is what we need to see. Drive these devil-worshipers away. Islam has no place inside any church. Theirs is the Religion of Death. Their Allah is a false and evil ‘god.’
Jay Boo says
More on this at Jihad Watch
May 11, 2014 at 8:54pm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/raymond-ibrahim-the-brave-german-woman-and-europes-islam-question-3
voegelinian says
” Islam has no place inside any church. ”
Nor has it and its devotees any place anywhere on the sacred ground of the secular free world.
Jen says
Yes, no place for Islam in the secular free world too. But I had just finished watching the video of this woman doing this and feeling disgusted that Muslims were in a church. Their ‘religion’ is against what Christianity is supposed to stand for; and they’ve let them walk right in there when it’s so easy to exclude them. Excluding Muslims from churches is far easier than excluding them from our free world- now that so many of them have been let in!
Richard Ashworth says
This is like the story of king Solomon… Who married more wife’s than he should. With those he should not of, he was warned not to intermarry. Solomon Did not listen. He ended up committing idolatry. This brought Apostasy Judgment on Israel. taking his kingdom from him. And bringing military and political problems.
The Church… should not intermarry with those of other religions. It will bring apostasy. And a heavy yoke. And problems…
More so for the true followers. Who will probably be seen as militant. And disturbing the civil unrest and peace. And division. All for keeping the integrity of the word. And not submitting to the will of the states ideology.
Tradewinds says
What’s with all the kowtowing to the Mohammedans?
Jay Boo says
From Washington National Cathedral to Bethesda and on down into the White House grounds that whole area to the immediate northwest left side of DC has the appearance of being heavily saturated with loony Lefties.
Kepha says
Jay Boo, I live further out in the Maryland suburbs. You are absolutely correct about the Bethesda-White House corridor; and the Episcopal cathedral sits right in the middle of it.
Ayatrollah says
When Indonesian Muslims burn down a church, area mosque always open their arms and offer space for Christian worshipers.
Right.
Wellington says
Islamic doctrine asserts that Jesus, one of the greater Muslim prophets before Mohammed, will come at the end of the world and will throw all the unrepentant Christians into Hell for deifying him. Thus, any Christian inviting Muslims into a Christian church to engage in Muslim prayer is either an ignoramus or a traitor to their faith.
You’d think that some thirteen years after 9/11 most every Christian would know by now what Islam really intends for Christians, the People of the Book rubbish notwithstanding, but, alas, most Christians still don’t (including the present Pope). Well, the blame for this can be entirely placed upon such Christians. This time Muslims are not at fault (they know what they’re up to) but rather Christians.
Budvarakbar says
Lay the blame at the feet of the last two presidents and the dufus ‘murricun voters
Jen says
Yes, they need to pay attention more and do their research. They’re dropping their guard too much and assuming the best in everyone when they shouldn’t. I know at least one Christian cleric who has been told about Islam calling for the killing of infidels because my mother has told him, but he just doesn’t believe it. He talked about his Muslim neighbours and how “they’re very nice and gentle.”
Jay Boo says
Unlike Wellington, I choose to put most of the blame on the Muslims.
While their are many Christians that need a good whack up side the head for allowing such BS by following their misguided pastors / priests like lukewarm sheep grazing on a fantasy of coexistence these Muslims need to be labeled correctly.
Islam is uncouth by nature.
When it comes to Islam Muslims are like a smiley face neighbor that feels entitled to move into your house and be served meals while ogling everything in site.
Islam and Muslims by definition of doctrine have no real scruples.
What passes as an attempt at manners is just ulterior motives.
Jen says
In the case of this particular church leader, I actually think he is a bit suspect. I don’t know how ‘bad’ he is, but for a church leader, his behaviour should be of a higher standard. But still, if someone tells you they have grown up with Muslims and that they know what their behaviour is like, and they tell you it is a religious right to kill infidels in Islam, you are obviously silly to dismiss this so readily; especially when religion is your area of interest. He is an expert in Christianity but not Islam and obviously not the slightest bit curious about it, and is happy to decide that Islam doesn’t teach this based on one set of neighbour’s behaviour…
Wellington says
The specific blame here I’m laying entirely upon the Christian community, Jay Boo, is the continued ignorance, the willful ignorance, the inexcusable ignorance by so many Christians of Islam and what it truly stands for. In this one particular respect, Muslims can’t be blamed at all, only Christians. I mean, how can you blame Muslims for continued Christian ignorance of Islam?
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
I quite agree that Christians (and anyone other than Muslims actually) have the greater part of the blame for the spread of Is-Slime.
I liken it to this: I represented domestic violence women for a time. But I learned-very rapidly-that the overwhelming majority of those cases were, so to say, ‘the perfect pair’. Meaning: More than 90% of my clients were consenting to their abuse, by remaining in the [sick] relationship; or immediately forming another one, exactly as abusive…
Thus Islam.
It’s long since past the time when anyone possessed of even average rationality has had the chance to evaluate Is-Slime and its adherents, judge both opprobrious, and cut them off. This of course applies to all non-Muslim churches/groups.
So if those groups continue to cultivate these inexpressibly vile members of the Religion of Peace, they deserve what they get.
Jay Boo says
Beware of the calculating ‘political’ Christians who memorize verses by rote.
The liberal ones will do anything to appease.
The right wing extremist ones are merely Bible Nazis.
Both will convert “willingly” in surrender to Islam if pressed to do so by political calculation.
Rezali Mehil says
Hello Wellington,
Are you the Waterloo man or the bear?
You say – Islamic doctrine asserts that Jesus, one of the greater Muslim prophets before Mohammed, will come at the end of the world and will throw all the unrepentant Christians into Hell for deifying him.
I have read this in places – and I know the Bhaia sect – who also claim to be muslims of Islam have particularly strong belief in this.
Do you think that these two Christians have read this too…and want to be saved?
They will have read the belief separately ..thought about it intensely “I’m on the wrong side here ….Jesus ….ehhh I mean Isa (pbuh) please save me.
After a typical sunday service, between them – they may have just brought up the subject about the ME, and how Israel is not allowing Muslims to the dome of the rock ..and yes you have guessed it “how we can help?” got to them.
In-fact all they wanted to do is to help themselves….so that they can be saved from hellfire….but now it’s on a roll may as well go through with it. …indeed christians are quite clever and coy like that (you only have to see the paper thin christian Champ to know that).
Anyway I’m sure you will have been pleased to understand the story behind this.
More Later…
Rezali
pumbar says
Hey Jalfrezi, can’t you get back to work. I think I see a teenager trying to steal a Twix from aisle 3 and your checkout is backed up while you type on your phone.
Mirren10 says
I seriously doubt the foul rezali has *any* kind of job, beyond sucking up benefits, and posting his vile screeds on here.
Jay Boo says
Rezali
You are attempting to entice Wellington into a long intellectual display of banter leading into off topic historical irrelevancies, but I doubt that Wellington will take the tainted bait that you store in wait.
Real simple
Muslims stink up everything in sight.
Whatever foul Islam touches either decays or dies.
John spielman says
Dear Ms.rezali; you should know that muhammeds teaching cannot save you from your sin. I fact NOTHING you or I can do can remove your / my sin. No amount of good deeds can erase our sin before God who absolutely righteous and just because the ” wages of (any/every) sin is (eternal) death! Just like robbing a bank or killing some one, doing good deeds afterwards does NOTHING to satisfy the law -either mans law or God’s. Only your or my blood (eternal death and separation from God) can satisfy God’s law. Only God’ sacrifice of Jesus who is God incarnate can satisfy the requirements of the law of a God Himself. Think about that.
John Stefan Obeda says
“The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6)
Darren says
Glad you are back, I have been trying to get to the bottom of a mystery. Can you kindly explain this hadith passage for me? Did your prophet like small penis?
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He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hasan’s) shirt & kissed his (little) p*nis..”
روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) p*nis of al Hasan or al Husein
رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart & kissed his (little) p*nis
Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 مجمع الزوائد لعلي بن أبى بكر الهيثمي
رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
translated in English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart & kissing his (little) p*nis.”
Related by Al-Tabarani & it’s authentication is good.
Darren says
People talk as if you are a women, so if you are how do you feel about the rich history of women’s rights in your religion? Or are living in the west in enjoying western freedoms while condemning the west while living on welfare benefits? I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia and enjoy the rich culture and women’s rights movement there.
Wellington says
As I wrote to you before, Rezali, how about “Less Later”? If you could manage “Never,” that would be even better.
To call your thinking turgid would be an insult to turgid thinkers. I here proffer the term “turd-like” to describe your thinking processes, though I have to consider that even this desciptive could be insulting to “turd-like” folk.
Really, Rezali, you are truly pathetic. You do, though, have one redeeming aspect and that is that your good for laughs at times here at JW.
As ever I remain,
Incorrigibly yours,
Wellington
voegelinian says
“Islamic doctrine asserts that Jesus, one of the greater Muslim prophets before Mohammed, will come at the end of the world and will throw all the unrepentant Christians into Hell for deifying him.”
In addition, and worse than that, Islamic doctrine teaches that the Islamic Jesus (Issa) will be the final Caliph to lead the final apocalyptic-military Jihad against Jews and Christians and finally kill all those who refuse to submit to Allah. In effect, Issa = ISIS.
Kepha says
Wellington, Old Man, the Episcopalian loonies are engaging in a lot of wishful thinking, not mere ignorance. They think they can prove how nice and peaceful they are by allowing the blasphemy that is Islam into their buildings. Back in the 1930’s, a Presbyterian by the name of John Gresham Machen wrote a little book entitled _Christianity and Liberalism_. It spelled out the deep differences between the traditional Protestant Christian faith and the counterfeit that was starting to take over the Mainline denominations back in those days. The story our host posted shows the outworking of the Liberal cult.
Wellington says
I submit, Kepha, that the kind of wishful thinking you mentioned is a manifestation of a profound kind of ignorance. Thanks for the mention of John Gresham Machen. I will keep him in mind. Hope you and family are well.
TNT says
This is not good, America wake up hurry hurry!
CogitoErgoSum says
“But organizers said Monday that they are seeking to make a statement by having Muslim leaders come and hold their own midday services in such a visible Christian church.”
Is the statement they are making, “I believe” or is it, “Your guess is as good as mine?”
If I know the way into the light, would I not be remiss by abandoning a fellow traveler to stumble in the darkness? Oh, I think these vipers do fail the one who is the Light of World.
I am reminded of this scene from the movie, “Jesus of Nazereth”:
deja vu says
A great reminder of that wonderful film on the life of Jesus. There hasn’t been anything since that has come close.
najis_kafir says
Why don’t we just rename the National Cathedral the National Mosque and be done with it?
wildflower says
OH LOOK NUMBER ELEVEN ON AMERICA’S RUINOUS POLICIES
jihad3tracker says
Interesting that you mention protesting outside the building . . . .
There is a rumor going around at blogs which cannot obviously be identified that the “invited guests only” event has lead to a plan for Christian faithful in Washington to appear at Cathedral portals just when the service begins.
As of now — 8:15 pm Eastern time Monday — 300 multi-denominational supplicants pledged to walk up from surrounding areas distributed at an undetectable distance away.
If such a happening occurs, that number will certainly increase. The message, stated on signs and by voice, is reported to be “Islam murders those who worship our Lord.”
Finally, a pushback to American Muslim lies and deception — it is way overdue.
terry says
To put it mildly, it’s a world filled with irrational beings who think they’re rational.
To be realistic is to resign to the fact that it is a messed up world!
djphoenix says
I weep when I read information like this and am grateful to have left the priesthood and all of TEC. Perhaps the Christians will be invited to pray the Holy Prayers of Christianity in the largest mosque in the D.C. area as a reciprocal gesture of welcoming kindness and openness on the part of Islam.
Budvarakbar says
What is WAY overdue is a terminating level of pushback the RINO lie “that islam is a religion of peace”!
mike says
I say we the American people should show up at that church and drop dolls of woman who are headless- dolls with stones imbedded in the heads of the Muslim dolls. A little baby female doll saying I was raped by Muslim terrorist.
Marblenecltr says
Revelation/Apocalypse 6: 7 & 8, the pale (green) horse was ridden by Death, and Hell/the grave, followed. Green is the color of Islam, and many Muslims openly brag about how they desire death the way others love life. Death was/is to have authority over one quarter of mankind (too bad, you don’t do any better than that, you will not get near ruling all mankind), and death to come by the sword, famine, plagues, and wild animals. Just theory, but the pale green horse could have existed as a spirit in early days of Christianity and come to life in the seventh century. That would account for some early deaths by wild animals-Christians killed by them in the Coliseum.
Alice says
Brilliant. Satan must be rejoicing.
RCCA says
When does the Adams mosque and other American Muslim groups issue a statement supporting the right of Jews to pray on the Temple Mount, as long as they are speaking of religious freedom?
R Cole says
You’d think – it’s a day when we [sorry they] can put all ambitions away.
Then you read:-
No more bigotry and ‘Islamophobia’….
We are going into a church to worship – at the same time – we are going to stick it – to all the haters of Islam out there!
Sounds so loving!!
It is like they are mastering Jesus on the cross – carrying their Islamic faith!
You wouldn’t think it was they who were attacking and persecuting more people around the world – than anyone else – because of this delusion they keep having of a world under Islamic rule. And that is why their religion is getting stick – which of course – they have so named ‘Islamophobia’ to take cover under and carry on the same.
So deluded
That on this rare occasion in Muslim-Christian relations, they say – “Let this be a lesson to the world!” Err… the Muslim world.
And while there – they should make sure to keep well away from that ‘iconography’.
It’s a containment that is bursting at the seams.
A cast of characters from Disney’s Jungle Book!
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As a group – Muslims know little about humility.
They are trying to sit at the front of the table.
They are heading for a humbling!
Descendantofacrusader says
Is nothing at all sacred anymore…………….to host evil is simply evil. “Evil triumphs when good men do nothing” – Sir Edmond Burke
michelle says
This joint worship service would be defile a Christian church. Christians are to respect and treat kindly (civilized people) but are NOT to have joint prayer. We are to only worship God and Jesus! We do NOT all pray to the same God.
This is how “One World Religion” will be made paletable for those who aren’t sure of what they believe or who drink the kool-aid. It will be our death because surely sharia law will come to rule.
I hope there really will be masses of people who put their foot down and block those doors!!
Jay Boo says
The Dar al-Hijrah Mosque of Anwar al-Awlaki
in Falls Church, VA is about five miles away.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/case/417
Jay Boo says
Better yet do a jihad watch search
on “Dar al-Hijrah Mosque ”
For example:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/virginia-state-legislature-commends-mosque-with-jihad-terror-links
mortimer says
“Legend has it that when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the year 637, Sophronius, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, invited the caliph Umar to pray…”
I doubt most of these ‘legends’ about early Islam. This particular legend may have been fabricated from the Christian side to keep the Muzzies’ hands off of the church.
Salah says
Come on, we don’t need to make a big deal of it.
Christians will say the Lord’s Prayer of Jesus, and Muslims will say the Lord’s Prayer of Muhammad.
(sarc/off)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/04/lords-prayer-of-muhammad.html
Edison says
. “This needs to be a world in which all are free to believe and practice and in which we avoid bigotry, Islamaphobia, racism, anti-Semitism, and anti-Christianity and to embrace our humanity and to embrace faith.”
Yeah? Go preach this to the Muslim’s, start in Syria and Iraq.
Charli Main says
No need for Christians to get upset about all those peaceful, moderate Muslims being asked to pray in our churches.
Any time now, the Muslims will be reciprocating, by asking the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury to hold Christian services and mass in Mecca.
As all JW folk know, the Muslims are committed believers in and advocates off interfaith dialogue.
mortimer says
Pluralism? Ebrahim Rasool is misrepresenting Sunni Islam as Ahmadiyya Islam which has ‘revised’ and ‘reformed’ the concept of jihad thanks to their ‘new, improved’ revelation that abrogates classical Islam.
For Sunnis, jihad is the same ‘bad old’ jihad. In Sharia law, jihad means warfare to achieve Islamic supremacism. There’s no pluralism in political Islam; there’s only ‘subject status’ for ‘others’. A kafir is never equal to a Muslim and never has unqualified rights. Any lack of respect towards Muslims or Islam results in the punishment of a kafir, but this is never reciprocal.
Ebrahim Rasool is intentionally misrepresenting Islam as benign towards disbelievers.
DiMu says
This is RAPE! Rabid Allah Pollutes Eucharist!
MSgt Dale Day, US Army - Retired says
As hard as this is for me to say – it is an INTERDENOMINATIONAL edifice meaning that any and all religions are supposed to be welcomed to worship there.
deja vu says
I beg to differ. Islam is not a ‘denomination’ of Christianity. What it being done here is very different. More accurately, it is using the national cathedral for an INTERFAITH service. It is inviting the enemy of God into its midst, which it will pay a very heavy price for. Oil and water do not mix.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Master Sgt.: It need not be Veterans Day for me to thank you for your defense of our beloved country. God bless and reward you and all our heroic military.
May I submit the following for your consideration:
ANY ‘religion’/group affiliated with ISNA/CAIR (unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land case) should be, per se, denied entree into any church/synagogue for any public act, ‘interdenominational’ or not.
But we need not even mince about this precariously. Instead: Islam-including the nice-moderate-90%-blah-blah-blah-has for some years now been associated with countless acts of terrorism. ANY church/synagogue should deny them-any of them-inclusion into any ‘interdenominational’ service.
Did we live in a sane world, this would be long since established.
Now if anyone objects to this line of reasoning, substitute ‘Catholic’, ‘Jewish’, or ‘Protestant’ church/synagogue as the denied member.
It is only the far-Left idiocy of ‘diversity’ which demands we all look away from the stinking, steaming hot mess which is Islam. Since we know that leftist stupidity is literally madness, it should be totally rejected.
Marblenecltr says
Some reasons for preventing Islamic encroachments on our religious life follow. The Koran is filled with “hate speech,” rejection of all other faiths so extreme that unbelievers who won’t accept sharia are, at best, to be reduced to servitude, and execution for adherence to one’s own faith is to (and does) result in death. Evidence is found in chapters 8 & 9 of the Koran and many other holy writings. Such evidence also reveals commandments to overthrow our Constitution and laws with violence leading to many deaths if needed to impose Islam. Further causes for concern are to be found in the Hadith and other holy Islamic scriptures, sound books of history from the seventh century to date, and current newspapers, magazines, videos, and eyewitness accounts.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Quite so Marble. Between us I believe we’ve made a dispositive list of Islam’s inherent rot!
Marblenecltr says
To continue, Koran, chapter 4, verse 34 or so, calls for beating one’s wife with a stick if one suspects improper behavior or attitude. The use of a stick is not always in the interpretation; rebellious, degenerate western women wouldn’t accept it, but I heard an Imam justify it because it would save that poor woman from hell with her desires not to be treated like a camel. The Koran says, “women are your fields…”, plow away, details to follow in XXX-rated movie of harem life some day. Harems were made up of slave women non-believers, you know, like those available today from ISIS, which adheres to sharia. Don’t criticize the Apostle, it could cost you your head. What would happen to Christians if we were to impose that punishment on those who spoke ill of Jesus?
icefalcon says
A few years ago, Benedictine University (near Chicago) began allowing Muslim students to have prayer services in the chapel. Because Christian iconography so offended the Muslim students, a tarp was thrown over the statue of the Virgin and other images were covered. As if a depiction of Our Lady was too disgusting to see while praying! I am sure I am not the only person who protested. I haven’t followed up, but I later heard that a separate worship area is available to non-Catholic students.
Jen says
a tarp was thrown over the statue of the Virgin and other images were covered. As if a depiction of Our Lady was too disgusting to see while praying!
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Muslims are the disgusting ones. Praying to an evil, false ‘god’ they call Allah.
They like to tear down our symbolism at any opportunity. So easily ‘offended’ are these Muslims. They come to our countries and then get ‘offended’ when they see symbols of non-Muslim culture. Bug off back to your Islamic hellhole then! I don’t care where you were born.
Jeff says
Just sent them an email explaining that to allow for such an event is heresy and sacrilege.
Rob Porter says
Amen, Mustapha. This is just further evidence that Americans are not in a strong position to ridicule the British over the Islamization of their country. Under the appalling leadership of Barack Obama and David Cameron both countries are sinking fast into the clutches of Islam – and no thanks to the Republicans and Tea Party for fighting back. They wallow in ignorance about Islam and the Muslim threat.
It is thoroughly mushy thinking that leads to a Christian cathedral being opened to the defiling of it by Muslim for prayers and just evident that even Christian leadership is out to lunch with woolly thinking that is nothing less than appeasement in the name of ‘dialogue’. As if Muslims will be seduced into kindlier thought about Christianity through this idiotic action! They will gloat over entering a Christian church and in the childishly warped manner that appeals to their infantile minds consider it their territory.
And here once again you have further evidence of the ignorance and folly of selecting a disgracefully poor president. Cameron is but a fool, Obama is part of the enemy camp. The Qur’an is clear regarding what Muslims should think about Jews and Christians, and nothing these ‘wet’ Christians do is going to shake Muslim ambitions of conquest and setting up a caliphate.
Unlike the totally gutless Christian leadership of today, the Crusaders of the First Crusade in particular had the right idea; crush Islam and Muslims, restore ground lost to Islam and give Muslims a taste of their own medicine. I’ve heard idiots in the West condemn Richard the Lionheart for in 1191 having 2,700 Muslim prisoners executed by decapitation outside Acre before he set off for Jaffa, but none of these ‘brilliant’ imbeciles, some historians, another a British movie actor, consider that wherever Muslims armies went they murdered in huge numbers anyone who got in their way. After the Seljuk Turks over-ran Jerusalem in 1075 they massacred about 3,000 Christians outside the city. When the Muslims invaded France in 732 AD they cause utter desolation while passing through Aquitaine – to Tours where they got thrashed by Charles Martel. Richard the Lionheart’s mother was from Aquitaine and no doubt she taught her son about the Muslim savagery while passing through that province. Why should he have cared about those 2,700 Muslims whose ransom Saladin had failed to pay while trying to delay Richard’s advance to Jaffa? They had already executed Crusaders who surrendered at Acre before Richard’s arrival.
Oh for more Charles Martels and Richard the Lionhearts today!
Kepha says
I know extactly what this is about: major Christian denominations long ago jettisoning every theological doctrine that would offend the zeitgeist of the early 20th century.
In the end, that liberal theology proves to be only an empty shell that empties church buildings and leaves whole societies defenseless against that naked barbarism that is Islam.
Jay Boo says
There is a mosque about a mile away that uses a somewhat similar architectural design.
In addition they don’t have a cross on top that might offend Muslims.
Threesixteen says
This is just insane. People should not be fooled. Haven’t these people read what Muslims did to Christian churches in Syria, and turkey. They converted those churches to mosques. The Umayyad Mosque, also known as the Great Mosque of Damascus. After the Arab conquest of Damascus in 634, the mosque was built on the site of a Christian basilica dedicated to John the Baptist (Yahya), honored as a prophet by Christians and Muslims alike. A legend dating to the 6th century holds that the building contains the head of John the Baptist.
The architectural building of this mosque is christian. The muslims simply superimpsed their design on top of that church. Damascus was besieged and captured by Muslim Arab forces led by Khalid ibn al-Walid in 634. Decades later, the Islamic Caliphate came under the rule of the Umayyad dynasty, which chose Damascus to be the administrative capital of the Muslim world. The sixth Umayyad caliph, al-Walid I (r. 705–715), commissioned the construction of a mosque on the site of the Byzantine cathedral in 706.[13] Prior to this, the cathedral was still in use by the local Christians, but a prayer room (musalla) for Muslims had been constructed on the southeastern part of the building. Al-Walid, who personally supervised the project, had most of the cathedral, including the musalla, demolished. The construction of the mosque completely altered the layout of the building. The new house of worship was meant to serve as a large congregational mosque for the citizens of Damascus and as a tribute to the city. In response to Christian protest at the move, al-Walid ordered all the other confiscated churches in the city to be returned to the Christians as compensation. The mosque was completed in 715, shortly after the al-Walid’s death, by his successor, Sulayman ibn Abd al-Malik.
Islam seeks dominion. You give them space a little, they will want more.
They come in stealthy. Christians have to resist this and be awake in the spirit.
Darren says
They have us read like a book we are weak and they know our weakness. It must be a field day waging stealth jihad against the west if you are one of their planners. We have no defense or counter to stealth jihad. We are just as far gone as the UK friend, the only thing that is different is your muslim population is larger than ours, and your muslim immigration rate is higher, well at least compared to the over all population.
It is frustrating to know they are winning on every front against us, and most people in the west either don’t care, don’t want to know, or are allied with the people plotting on us. It truly is an amazing time in history, I never thought I’d see the day an advanced civilization like western civilization would commit mass suicide. At the end of the day it’s a hard thing to accept, but it is what it is, if a civilization is that determined to destroy themselves how much can 1 person really do? Hopefully we win the coming civil war, it will be quite bloody, and if we impose rules of engagement on ourselves we won’t win, as evidenced in Afghanistan. I say we disband the whole war on terror (whack a mole thing) and spend the money on the economy instead. If we won’t fight the war the way it’s meant to be fought or take it seriously what’s the point? Maybe after enough innocent people are killed we will actually identify the problem islam and quit pretending otherwise. Otherwise R.I.P much of western Europe. Once the muslim population reaches a certain % here as history has shown us similar things will begin to occur here as well. I believe Winston Churchhill said it best islam in a man is like rabies in a dog.
voegelinian says
A blood civil war in the West is not inevitable; but it will be more likely to happen if those who are awakening keep pushing the meme that it’s the only way to manage this problem.
voegelinian says
bloody*
sheik yer'mami says
Obamastan!
Marblenecltr says
The sixth pillar of Islam is not publicized, made “officially” a pillar-it is jihad. Jihad is struggling with one’s goods and one’s person, and that involves promoting sharia wherever one can. Move to the land of infidels, and complain/protest about minor things at first, then, with each victory, struggle with goods and person for more.
c matt says
The Cathedral, part of the Episcopal Church
Ah, well…that explains it.
forthfaran says
“When you see the abomination of desolation standing where it ought not (let him that reads understand) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains”. What pusillanimous fools the professional clergy are! This is a repeat of what happened to Eastern Christianity 1300 years ago.
Michael Anderson says
I do not believe that ALL Muslims are bad, any more that I believe that ALL Christians are bad. I love my Episcopal church and that it is a house of prayer for ALL people!!!!
Marblenecltr says
It is not only about all or some Muslims, it is about the Koran that all Muslims are asked to follow, a book that has a god to which imams pray. The Koran describes Christians and Jews despicable beings to be put into dhimmitude at best; slavery, involving sexual exploitation of holy Christian women, second best; and, one day, to death. Read chapters 8 & 9, scriptures that have been followed continually since the seventh century and is followed by ISIS today.
Ahmar Mustikhan says
Less than two weeks ago a Christian couple was burned alive in Pakistan. Washington National Cathedral is rewarding the Islamic bigots all over the world by such gestures.