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New Zealand Muslim forms his own Islamic State

Nov 30, 2014 7:46 pm By Robert Spencer

Te Amorangi Kireka-WhaangaTe Amorangi Kireka-Whaanga was recently named one of the world’s 500 most influential Muslims. He is probably not here setting up a competitor to the Islamic State, as just weeks ago he pledged his support for it. The Islamic State of Aotearoa is likely intended to be a branch of the larger entity. But of course all this is because Te Amorangi Kireka-Whaanga has “gone mad.” How odd that so many Muslims worldwide have “gone mad” in exactly the same way.

“Hawke’s Bay Muslim forms own Islamic state,” by Harrison Christian, Hawkes Bay Today, December 1, 2014:

A Hawke’s Bay Muslim man is calling on “souljahs of Allah” to make their way to Hastings and join him in forming the “Islamic State of Aotearoa”.

Te Amorangi Kireka-Whaanga, of Hastings, who heads the Aotearoa Maori Muslim Association, said in a Facebook post yesterday he had changed the organisation’s name to the Islamic State of Aotearoa.

Hastings Mayor Lawrence Yule said Mr Kireka-Whaanga’s Facebook posts were “very concerning,” considering the Islamic State’s violent reputation in the Middle East.

“I don’t think any normal, law-abiding Kiwi would think there’s any time or place for this kind of behaviour. When you have our own citizens setting up a terrorist-style cult within New Zealand, then the agencies on behalf of New Zealanders will do anything they can to stamp them out. I don’t think there’s any place in New Zealand for these Islamic cults.”

Mr Kireka-Whaanga has previously pledged his support for Islamic State on social media, saying it would bring down Western civilisation and true Muslims were behind Islamic State.

In 2010, he was named as one of the world’s 500 most influential Muslims, one of two New Zealanders to make the list, by a group in Jordan.

Isis, or Islamic State, has been taking over cities in Syria and Iraq and conducting high-profile beheadings of hostages, as it tries to establish an Islamic caliphate in the region.

Mr Kireka-Whaanga maintains he is “a peace advocate trying to achieve my goal of winning a Nobel peace prize”.

Yesterday on Facebook, where he has 936 friends, he called on “Muslim souljahs, warriors and followers of prophet Muhammad” to make their way to Hastings and “blow everyone away with the beauty and magic of love, truth, wisdom and divine blessings”.

“Out with the old and in with the new, let’s radiate the power of truth the magic of it upon the starving souls of mankind.”

He also said “average normal kiwi New Zealanders” had approached him to take action against the Prime Minister, John Key.

In response, a spokeswoman for the Prime Minister said he did not comment on individuals.

A sign put up outside Mr Kireka-Whaanga’s house warned media and government employees against setting foot on his property.

His partner yesterday came to the edge of the property and told Hawke’s Bay Today he was unavailable for comment.

Hastings residents who live near Mr Kireka-Whaanga’s house were unaware of his status as a Muslim leader when spoken to by Hawke’s Bay Today ….

A Muslim man who worships at the region’s sole mosque, the Hawke’s Bay Baitul Mokarram Masjid and Islamic Centre Trust, and did not wish to be named, said Mr Kireka-Whaanga’s views did not reflect those of the wider Muslim community.

Known as “Izhaq” to local Muslims, Mr Kireka-Whaanga did not worship at the mosque regularly and it was believed he had “gone mad”….

The Herald also interviewed Mr Kireka-Whaanga 10 years ago when he claimed to be regularly visiting prisons, as part of a project to convert inmates to Islam. He is understood to have been since banned from visiting prisons.

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  1. Jack says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    So, Mr Kireka-Whaanga’s goal is to win the Nobel Peace Prize! Even if he sets up a Caliphate he has a very good chance of getting it. This is my reasoning. Firstly, the prize comes from Sweden. They just recognized the PA/Hamas Government. Hamas the terrorist organization recognized as such by the US and Europe. Next didn’t mass murderer/terrorist Yasser Arafat win the Nobel Peace Prize? Afterwards he went into the Intifada business, so he could order more murders and create terror. Lastly, in anticipation of Barack Hussein Obama performing great things as President of the US, even before he was President, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. How many people can claim they didn’t even know why they got it? So, Mr. Kireka-Whaanga there is a chance YOU could with the Nobel.

    • Zebo says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 6:23 am

      Obviously it does not matter from which part of the world or from which race a muslim is.
      As soon as he feels important he will always look like a stern and angry psychopath.

      And i think i know why.

      If you were forced to wear a pathetic goat beard combined with a crotchet blanket on your head and dressed up in a bedspread,
      you get really really angry.
      Because it is impossible to feel important and masculine if you are dressed like a clown.

    • steven L says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:10 am

      Sweden just gave a Noble prize to Hamas/PA. Once upon a time special category: Terrorism Made in Islamia.

      • Rob Porter says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 11:38 am

        What a surprise that insane Sweden’s Nobel morons would give a prize to a Muslim lunatic!

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 6, 2014 at 12:11 am

        Not quite yet—although Barak Obama and Yassir Arafat have won in the past, so it is hardly inconceivable.

        While the Nobel prizes in science have real status and even the prizes for literature generally retain some meaning, the ones for peace have in many cases been a sick joke for quite some time.

  2. mortimer says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    65% of Muslims want sharia and a caliphate. That describes ISIS. Are 65% crazy?

    • St. Croix says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:39 pm

      Why yes! Certifiable.

      • Tommy Guns says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 2:03 am

        No. I believe your figures are a bit off the mark, 80% would be closer. That means you’ll have to order an additional 15% of strait-jackets. LOL

    • Salah says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:50 pm

      At least there is one Muslim country effectively and seriously fighting against this evil ideology.

      “An Egyptian court has designated the Islamic State group a terrorist organization and banned it in the country.
      “The court ruling Sunday adds that it considers all of the Islamic State’s affiliates to be terrorist organizations as well.”

      http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/egypt-court-declares-islamic-state-terror-group-27259826

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 6, 2014 at 2:04 pm

        I believe this is more that Al-Sisi sees them as dangerous rivals than on any ideological grounds. After all, Saudi Arabia and Iran have condemned the Islamic State as well—even though they are both bloody Shari’ah states themselves.

  3. John spielman says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    Sounds like the Kiwi govt should pull a “Wacco” ( that is send in heavily armoured police/army and burn them out!)

    • Rob Porter says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:41 am

      Isn’t it amazing that New Zealand would be so stupid as to allow Muslim imbeciles to defile their once particularly pleasant land. And now they have another lunatic on their hands – and almost certainly will not put an end to his antics. It would be “Islamophobic”!

  4. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Kireka-Whaanga was recently named one of the world’s 500 most influential Muslims.

    I like this guy, he has a good look with the beard and the stupid little white cap. But hey, while this guy may indeed be Caliph material, to make it he’s gotta go where the action is and put his gonads on the line like Abu Bakr al-Bagdahi did… or, Al, as I like to call him. Big Al.

    When Prez Barack Hussein released him, Big Al muttered “I’ll see you in New York” to his Infidel jailers. Maybe this Kiwi Caliph dude should shift his welfare account to NYC and try to beat Big Al to the punch.

  5. cs says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    That is surprising…

    • JMB says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 5:18 am

      No, I do not feel it is very surprising mainly because there is a Maori element in NZ which hates the predominately white European society and government of that country. This hatred is exploited both ways by both Islam and Maori.
      Of course official Islam in NZ denounces this, but note they do absolutely nothing to stop it.
      In the meantime I see NZ is going to send 100 troops to help fight ISIS. I guarantee that this detachment of troops will not include one single Maori or any other NZ Muslim.
      AND, just what are Muslims doing in NZ period. (NZ is as stupid as Canada is by letting them in)

      • FatherJon says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 5:26 am

        Some of our Australian abos have been sucked into the Islamist ‘family’ too by ideologues exploiting their resentment against colonisation from 1780. Doesn’t stop them taking the government’s dole money though, or all the other privileges which no other minority ethnic group in the world even dreams about.

        • JMB says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 7:52 am

          Hear hear Father John!

          I understand that these privileges include free housing, free medical, paid to go to school, free university education, specially created government jobs, have had much of the country repatriated to them yet at the same time most of them still live in squatter camps outside cities & towns and have massive alcohol problems. At least Islam will take away the grog. (And everything else)
          And by way of contrast, until quite recently Aboriginals were often cared for by Christian missions but the lefties told them to reject white man’s religion (with disastrous results)
          I am waiting for the lefties and other like minded do-gooders to try and tell them to reject Middle East/Arab religion! (I don’t think it will happen)
          But somehow I think that apart from a few leftie/activist type “white Aboriginals”, very few real Aboriginals would even be remotely capable of getting involved with Islam.

        • albert says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 6:59 pm

          Look up Anjem Choudry uk muslim leader, he says that muslims don’t have to work, they only have to pray, Allah has decreed that the benefits they claim are simply the ” Jizhya ” that infidels have to pay muslims, when muslims are the majority and in power this will be increased and infidels will slave to pay it.

  6. voegelinian says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Kireka-Whaangi is a Maori, hence an indigenous native; hence some of the Jihad Watch Softies would stand there inertly incapable of deporting him because of their asinine logic moving them to utter the inane rhetorical question — “Where would you deport an indigenous native to?”

    • duh_swami says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 9:02 pm

      The outback…Way out back…

      • deja vu says

        Nov 30, 2014 at 9:12 pm

        The outback…Way out back…
        ——————————————————

        Sorry, duh_swami, Australia wouldn’t accept him. They have enough of their own misfits.

    • Myxlplik says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 10:20 pm

      Revoke his passport and citizenship, then C130 drop him into Syria.

      • deja vu says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 1:27 am

        Not possible – he was born in NZ.

        • Myxlplik says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 2:00 am

          déjà, “Islam is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society”, and working overtly to establish such a parallel society is sedition.

          I’d personally give such adherents 2 options, life in prison or the C130 airdrop (their choice) with all aforementioned privileges revoked, but that’s just me.

        • deja vu says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 3:49 am

          Myxlplik

          I’d say Islam is a theocratic political ideology wrapped in a religious cloak. I’m very well aware of its toxicity and its infiltration of Western democracies by stealth.

          How ever much we might like to carry out your recommendations, the *reality* is that an individual is not able to be banished from his/her nation of birth.

          However, we do have one advantage over other Western nations – our small population. Not much goes unnoticed for long. The NZ Government is currently debating unprecedented measures to increase their powers of surveillance. They’re aiming to pass these measures before Christmas. And I believe the majority of voters fully support it.

        • voegelinian says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 1:21 pm

          “How ever much we might like to carry out your recommendations, the *reality* is that an individual is not able to be banished from his/her nation of birth. ”

          What do you mean, “not able”? Don’t confuse “not able” with “we don’t want to for abstract reasons that we feel are more important than the safety of our men, women and children.”.

        • FatherJon says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 4:54 pm

          Sounds like you Kiwis have your own version of Imam Anjem Choudery in England. That guys seems to get coverage in the media for his tirades of hatred against the hated ‘kufar’ – unbelievers in Islam, you and me, folks.
          They may just be a minority in most populations but theirs is a message of beheadings and torture unsurpassed since the days of the Spanish Inquisition. They are dangerous men – just ask Trooper Rigby who met a couple of them outside Woolwich Barracks in London last year!

        • deja vu says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 2:16 pm

          voegelinian – What do you mean, “not able”?
          ——————————————————–
          Not able to under the Law. The guy is not an immigrant, citizenship was not conferred on him. He’s Maori, his family is indigenous, he might even be able to trace his lineage 600 years. Could an American Indian, Canadian Inuit or an Australian aboriginie be stripped of his citizenship and deported? If so, how? Where? Please enlighten us and I will personally write to the PM and suggest we implement it.

        • FatherJon says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 4:48 pm

          Ah yes, we’re all just ‘beating up’ on Muslims. So goes the narrative amongst the adherents and supporters of this hideous cult. It’s a common refrain, even at suburban level as Muslim imams and leaders fend off all accusations against the worst teachings of their religion, often expounded by jihad leadership and which can be found in numerous dictums throughout the Koran – kill the kufar!
          As if we all just woke up one morning and decided to attack Muslims!

          Reality is that most of us these days are either atheists or agnostics, or just don’t care about religion one way or another. We don’t care who wears out his knees in supplication to his chosen God so long as it doesn’t impinge on the rest of us.
          But they’ll maintain that narrative and defence as a way of ensuring further recruitment from gullible naïve youth and to justify their remorseless slaughter of innocents across the Middle East and Africa.

        • simpleton says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 4:56 pm

          He does not want to stay in NZ either.

          http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/574486/20141201/te-amorangi-kireka-whaanga-muslim-islamic-state.htm#.VHzemtKUdAs
          “If you practice your religion then of course you’ll be 100 percent behind Islamic State,” he said. He added that Prime Minister John Key was right to be worried about the Islamic State because it would “bring down Western civilisation.” He had wanted to move to Syria with his family, but he already knew that his passport would be cancelled.

          If they would let him go with all of his 950 facebook followers, would be “sweet as”.Perhaps put a tracking chip in him?
          I would be concerned at what further atrocities he may be involved in Syria and Iraq, though hopefully pinpointed by a strike force may solve that if it arises.

          I hope that security systems also have that list of facebook followers and also some NZ citizens have filed them all away for future reference and knowledge of what is happening in NZ

        • Myxlplik says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 6:39 pm

          simpleton,

          You are correct, he wants to leave so he can live in ISIS, under Islam. If I am not mistaken most nations don’t allow for dual citizenship, so if he wants to go live in the Caliphate they will issue him a new passport and make him a citizen over there. It’s not on New Zealand to take care of him once he formally declares himself an enemy of New Zealand and its constitution, I don’t think. He can take care of those details once he arrives in Syria.

          New Zealand wouldn’t be the one revoking anything it just doesn’t have to allow its citizens to have dual citizenship with ISIS. It’s as simple as formally recognizing ISIS as a State, then deporting him after some legal paperwork etc. and as far as I’m concerned this guy is guilty of sedition for stating, and acting upon wanting to create an ISIS like Islamic State system in New Zealand, so it would be the choice of facing legal consequences at home or go. It doesn’t matter who he is or where he was born.

          There is plenty of historical precedent for this sort of thing in the Balkans. It just needs to be repackaged so it doesn’t violate the UDHR, which says you can’t strip people of citizenship… but people can choose to lose it without violating the UDHR. We just need to formally recognize ISIS as a state, and it’s a done deal.

        • simpleton says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 7:32 pm

          Myxlplik you do bring up some interesting points I wish it was that simple, but you never know, there may be an angle to be made. With deja vu “Please enlighten us and I will personally write to the PM and suggest we implement it”.

          Dual citizenship is ok in NZ except for Parliamentarians and so no automatic revoking passports, though they do seem a bit slow in replacing a NZ passport for a jihadist in Syria.

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10687841/Concern-over-Kiwi-jihadists
          He tore up his passport then contacted New Zealand officials again a few months later about getting a new one. It is understood, however, that no application has been lodged.

          Sources say he may be refused a new passport even if he does apply. It is not clear how he was able to travel on his old passport after having it revoked.

          So an angle may be revoke the passport in NZ, and let them, sort of leave, and if they get to Syria do not help them as after all they illegally travelled,
          Great out come at least for one of those NZ jihadis.

    • PGuud says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 2:24 am

      The POS should be ferried to the South Pacific and thrown overboard–as should the rest of his ideological kind meet a similar end.

      Simple.

      Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Dec 2, 2014 at 7:16 am

      You don’t ‘deport” a native.

      You exile them.

      It’s been a traditional punishment among all sorts of different societies, since forever.

  7. duh_swami says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    “blow everyone away with the beauty and magic of love, truth, wisdom and divine blessings”.

    That’s what Jim Jones said just before they drank the kool aid…

    • simpleton says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 1:55 am

      The kool-aid has been been well and truly dranked even back in 2004

      We are not militant but we are confrontational in the defense of Islam and Muslims……Our hearts bleed at the plight of our Muslim Brothers and Sisters suffering oppression in Palestine, Chechnya, Bosnia, Iraq, Afganistan etc. …Te Amorangi Kireka-Whaanga

      • Jack says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 2:06 am

        Who ever thinks this way has already lost the war! I can speak only about the Palestinians. They are master manipulators and propagandists. They tailor their message to their audience. It is just one part of the battle strategy to win the war. I give them credit, they are good at it base upon the results that the EU has allowed themselves to be duped into supporting Terror Inc. Hamas which part of the government of the PA.
        My best advice is to critically watch the footage and when you see the same child appear in one episode and then a different one; then you will get it.

  8. simpleton says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    Qur’an Sura 4:95, “Not equal are those believers [Muslims] who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home …”

    What government / people any where will work out and define and ban muslim immigration, and money flows http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10696378/Kiwi-cash-helping-Islamic-State that come in for mosque / dawa and then outward for jihad support.?

    When will the people read the koran with understanding of chronological order and abrogation that the latter verses as commanded by Mohammad are better for you, That a tafsir from the hadith or sira confirms it, and how Mohammad wanted you to live your life like him.

    The real issue is coming quickly when the local population starts to change, “reverts” to this ideaology., as the evidence begins to show in this article.

    The koran has been translated into maori (te reo) and accepted by the indigenous hierachy, http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/9339592/Te-reo-Koran-gifted-to-Maori-King.

    New Zealanders need to google around, check out blog interconnections, utube, facebook and etc.

    The Sunday Star-Times began investigating him after discovering his Facebook pages were festooned with Islamic State imagery. He has 905 friends on Facebook, many of them Muslim converts from around New Zealand. His pages have been repeatedly taken down in recent weeks by Facebook administrators.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10690655/Maori-Muslim-backs-Islamic-State

  9. Myxlplik says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    He looks so diseffected, because he can’t have sex slaves and behead infidels too? Perhaps if we send him a few journalists to chop up, and let him run an infidel girl sex slave market he’ll fell less discriminated against?

  10. KiwiKaffir says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    Poor deluded soul

  11. FatherJon says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 4:30 am

    “a peace advocate trying to achieve my goal of winning a Nobel peace prize”.

    In a pig’s arse! That’s an example of ‘taquiyya’ – the Koranic injunction that allows them to lie to ‘kufar’ or non-believers. They can twist the truth, lie, dissemble and generally deceive you in their utterances and arguments. It’s all quite acceptable within Islam providing they don’t lie to another Muslim.
    This guy is just another trouble maker and given the chance will cause death and destruction as we’ve seen around the world. Kick him out, send him back whence he came!

  12. Lia Wissing says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 5:01 am

    Mr Kireka-Whaanga’s “beauty and magic of love, truth, wisdom and divine blessings” reminds me: there was, some years ago, an Arab who claimed that the Americans used demons to build their fighter planes. Similar logic … or lack thereof …

    • FatherJon says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 5:15 am

      Trouble is we have to take these creeps seriously. We’ve seen several examples now of what happens when ‘lone wolf’ jihadis go on one of their beheading sprees. They seriously believe that they get 72 virgins in ‘jannah’, their version of paradise.

  13. simpleton says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 6:00 am

    This was all written by him over 10 years ago in 2004 by him. . Sunday Star Times (no link, sorry), Te Amorangi Izhaq Kireka-Whaanga was calling Osama bin Laden a “hero” and the Beslan school slaughter “justifiable.”
    His reply in a blog below is softening the image where he had been quoted by a paper, Unfortunately I can not retrieve it.

    Izhaq () says:
    October 28th, 2004 at 7:19 pm
    Kia ora koutou katoa i roto i te ahuatanga o te wa nei,
    “Whoever puts his nationality before Islam is not a Muslim” Prophet Muhammad (saw).
    As President of the Aotearoa Maori Muslim Community, firstly their are some corrections that need to be made to that article.
    1) We are not Maori nationalists, we are Islamic Fundamentalists.
    2) We are not anti-Pakeha because not only do we have Pakeha Muslim Convert Members but ALLAH SWT created Adam the Father of Humanity and all Nations are Brothers and Sisters.
    3) I do not condone the actions of the Chechen Muslims in Beslan but we are aware of their struggle against communist Russia.
    4) I do not convert Inmates to Islam but I do speak to inmates who have converted.
    5) We are not militant but we are confrontational in the defense of Islam and Muslims.
    and lastly:
    6) FIANZ does not finance my Prison visits.
    All praise be to ALLAH RABBUL AZEEM! Our Maori Muslim Community are ahlus sunnah wal Jammah and our Madhab is Shafi (Although we do have some Sufis and Jammat Tableegh)
    We are a very devoted community and we just love our International Muslim Brothers and Sisters too much, we understand the commandment saying that it is unlawful to cut ties of kinship because most of us love the Muslim Community more than we love our own non Muslim Families. Our hearts bleed at the plight of our Muslim Brothers and Sisters suffering oppression in Palestine, Chechnya, Bosnia, Iraq, Afganistan etc.
    But we all understand that we have a duty to share Islam to our Maori people and we know that the only way is to follow the example of our Prophet Muhammad (saw)
    ma’a salaama,
    Te Amorangi Izhaq Kireka-Whaanga
    President of The Muslim Association of Hawkes Bay.
    Hastings.

    Now up grading to an Islamic State, though again softening the image with ““blow everyone away with the beauty and magic of love, truth, wisdom and divine blessings””.Yeah right ! ! !

    New Zealanders need to google around, check out blog interconnections, utube, facebook Associations, and etc.and they would be surprised just how many are quietly supportive, behind the scenes and are interconnected. As citizens perhaps an idea of monitoring the coming and goings, as mosques and islamic centres are increasing in number, some in even small provincial towns. Do not be surprised if some marae (Maori meeting place) may also cater for their needs.

    Still the real issue is what does one do at this stage?
    Become informed of Islam, Inform others, with the facts, history, coolly as R Spenser does.
    Then to talk the truth, as the world is hungry to know why we have this problem.

  14. BC says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 11:43 am

    , “saying it would bring down Western civilisation and true Muslims were behind Islamic State.”
    Please take note Obama, Cameron, the poop et al. “All true muslims”

  15. Bernie Latz says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Those Kiwis better watch out. Once those lousy Muslims jerk off on owning something, they will behead anyone in their way.

  16. Geppetto says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    Any objective review of the violence, brutality and otherwise anti-social behavior of the Muslim faithful who proudly proclaim their bestiality is in strict compliance with Sharia, the Islamic doctrine, and in conformance with the behavior of Allah’s prophet, Mohammad, need look no further nor propose any convoluted, esoteric, psychological rationale, as a possible reason for the Jihadist success in recruiting converts from within prison populations.

    Among the civilized west, incarcerated men and women are being punished, penalized for anti social behavior; assault, robbery, murder, rape, etc. Along comes an Imam who can easily convince these social misfits that they are being punished for doing what is revered, glorified and guaranteed to grant them entrance into Paradise as the reward for their refusal to beg forgiveness and mercy from those who’re responsible for their separation from a “degenerate, unjust, un-Islamic” society of infidels.
    The argument goes something like this: Your anger and rage against the Godless infidels is absolutely justified. No need to repent. Get free and join a movement that reveres and respects the behavior considered anti-social by the truly “deviant infidels” that you should learn to hate with all your heart and soul if you don’t already do so.

    Sounds like an argument sure to gain many a violent prisoner’s attention, approval and devotion. From violent, anti-social, perhaps psychotic misfit to a brave, courageous, warrior dedicated to Allah and the Muslim conquest of the infidel world. Sign me up.

  17. simpleton says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    As in the above post

    A Muslim man who worships at the region’s sole mosque, the Hawke’s Bay Baitul Mokarram Masjid and Islamic Centre Trust, and did not wish to be named, said Mr Kireka-Whaanga’s views did not reflect those of the wider Muslim community.
    Known as “Izhaq” to local Muslims, Mr Kireka-Whaanga did not worship at the mosque regularly and it was believed he had “gone mad”….

    An interesting juxtaposition that the so called peaceful muslims are unable to show the errors of a reverts understanding of islam, and if anything ostracize them so that they will go and fight as per

    Qur’an Sura 4:95, “Not equal are those believers [Muslims] who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home …”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10696378/Kiwi-cash-helping-Islamic-State
    But a Muslim convert now living in Indonesia, Bilal Morpeth, said if any Kiwis had gone abroad to fight for Islamic causes, it was because they were ostracized by Muslim communities within New Zealand.

    Just why the ostracism from the Hawkes Bay mosque, when their poor “brother” would need all their charitable aid, and guidance, particularly being another muslim that “blow everyone away with the beauty and magic of love, truth, wisdom and divine blessings”., then every thing would be “sweet as”; Yeah right !

    Perhaps NZ’ers citizens need to be taking note and filing away these the names, and meetings dates and times. Collating Information will bring knowledge so your truth can empower you for a greater use and effect. This was proven in the arrest of the French terrorists bombing/sinking of the “Rainbow Warrior” in 1985. Also an understanding the koran and the principle of abrogation and etc.

  18. R Cole says

    Dec 2, 2014 at 4:23 am

    He’s go the idea – where there is a mosque there is a state.

  19. tesa says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    most of these nervous tounge in cheek comments only reveal the vulnerbility of the western syke (sic) phsych only willing to put up a sarcastic joke truthful it may be ,but words are cheap my plea would be put up or shut up and support those putting their lives and families lives on the line.

  20. gravenimage says

    Dec 6, 2014 at 12:00 am

    New Zealand Muslim forms his own Islamic State
    ………………………….

    This sounds laughable on the face of it; but it is not. The Islamic State has set up “satellites” before—most notably Derna in Libya.

    More:

    Mr Kireka-Whaanga maintains he is “a peace advocate trying to achieve my goal of winning a Nobel peace prize”.
    ………………………….

    Grimly hilarious. Muslims actually believe that imposing violent and oppressive Shar’iah can be considered “peace” in Islamic terms—and they believe that civilized Infidels should be compelled to think just the same.

    More:

    Yesterday on Facebook, where he has 936 friends, he called on “Muslim souljahs, warriors and followers of prophet Muhammad” to make their way to Hastings and “blow everyone away with the beauty and magic of love, truth, wisdom and divine blessings”.
    ………………………….

    “Blow everyone away”? It seems that Kireka-Whaanga has a (probably unintentional) humorous turn of phrase…

    And what could be more indicative of “love, truth, wisdom and divine blessings” than using Infidel women as sex slaves, having children play with severed heads, stoning women to death, committing genocide, and beheading journalists and aid workers?

    If the authorities in New Zealand have any sense, they will shut down this outpost of Daesh *fast*.

    • FatherJon says

      Dec 6, 2014 at 12:58 am

      In reality, according to Islamist demagoguery, wherever a mosque is established the surrounding land becomes an Islamic ‘state.
      This fine piece of sophistry even extended to wherever a Muslim set foot in new territory, as in the various islands around Africa and Indonesia historically. They’ve even claimed that Muslims discovered America long before Columbus in 1492. Work that one out!

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 6, 2014 at 2:54 pm

        All grimly true, Father Jon—and something most Infidels have no clue about.

  21. gravenimage says

    Dec 6, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    What crap—invoking the KKK as defenders of liberty is rather like similarly evoking the Nazis. *Ugh*.

    Besides, this has *nothing* to do with race.

    Te Amorangi Kireka-Whaanga may be considered “black”, but most of his sanguinary coreligionists are not. In fact, white “reverts” are consistently just as savage as their fellow Muslims who are “people of color”.

    And some of the most stalwart Anti-Jihadists may be considered black, as well—Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Simon Deng, and Bishop Patrick Sookhdeo among them.

    The threat we face is from ideology, not race. To frame this as a racial issue is utterly witless.

    • Crystal says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 4:19 am

      I am extremely disappointed with the remarks being made that promote white privilege as the way to save the nation of New Zealand. I am Kiwi myself. I am ashamed of it. We have treated our non-white brothers and sisters very ill.

      That being said, Islam does not suit anyone. It will not suit the Maori; the Maori had more rights under the Maori traditional government than under the whites, let alone under the Muslims!

      It will not suit us whites either, of course; but our culture, through rape apologism and white privilege, is very open to fundamentalist ideologies like Islam.

      It doesn’t suit anyone. Islam is like Nineteen Eighty-Four.

      That being said, I have a request of Robert Spencer. Please stop the white privilege spewing out on this website. Islam is an ideology and religion. We need to speak against ideologies and stop condemning ourselves for white guilt. We deserve to feel guilty!

      • FatherJon says

        Dec 7, 2014 at 4:23 pm

        Some confused thinking here from Crystal. My understanding of history is that the Maoris located to NZ a few hundred years in advance of Europeans. The latter brought an infinitely more advanced culture which Maoris benefit from today. Get over history, it’s only a stepping stone in the ever advancing state of established nations.
        Our Australian abos have created an entire industry from whinging about historical wrongs done to them without considering the benefits which they draw down from the Treasury in billions of dollars each year. For a mere 2% of the population they get a disproportionately large hand out from the communal exchequer. If they’d just stop squabbling amongst themselves and get their kids into school they might have happier futures.
        As for ideological Islam…’nuff said. It’s never going to advantage anyone, so don’t even think of it in rationale terms.

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