Now here is a bishop. Now here is a Christian leader. Has any other bishop or any other Christian leader of any denomination issued a similar call? I am not aware of any. Last January, Asia Bibi appealed to Pope Francis. I don’t think she got any answer from him at all.
All too many bishops and other Christian leaders are unwilling to speak out about Asia Bibi’s plight or about the Muslim persecution of Christians in general — indeed, all too many are unwilling to allow any discussion of that persecution under their auspices, as they believe that discussion of such matters will harm their spurious and empty “dialogue” with Muslim leaders.
Most Christian leaders in the West today are disgraces to the positions they hold. If the Church and Christianity survive today’s jihad against them with any significant presence anywhere on earth, these pusillanimous and short-sighted “leaders” will be judged very, very harshly by future generations of those holding the faith they are supposed to be protecting and defending.
Patriarch Kirill appears to be made of stronger stuff.
“Patriarch of Moscow writes to Pakistani president ‘pardon Asia Bibi,'” by Nina Achmatova, Asia News, November 6, 2014 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
Moscow (AsiaNews) – Patriarch Kirill of Moscow has sent a letter to the President of Pakistan Himari Hussain asking him to pardon Asia Bibi, a Christian woman sentenced to death for blasphemy.
The primate of the Russian Orthodox Church writes, “it would be an irreparable loss for her family, her near and dear, cause a great damage to the Muslim-Christian dialogue and could also aggravate tension between Christians and Muslims both in Pakistan and in the entire world”.
In the letter, published on the Patriarchate website, Kirill says he is convinced that the political authorities of any modern state ” should be aware of their responsibility for the destiny of representatives of religious minorities entrusted to them”.
“The Russian Orthodox Church – the letter continues – has shown serious concern over the judgment delivered by the court. Our multimillion flock joins their voice to that of the great number of people throughout the world who advocate for saving the life of this Christian woman”.
After years in prison and in solitary confinement “for security reasons”, on October 16th the Lahore High Court upheld the death sentence imposed at first instance on Asia Bibi, a Christian mother of five children. She is accused of blasphemy for insulting the name of Muhammad, but has always claimed innocence and denounced being persecuted for her faith.
In 2011, Islamic extremists killed the governor of Punjab Salman Taseer (Muslim) and the Federal Minister for Minorities Shahbaz Bhatti (Catholic), “guilty” of having defended Bibi. Human rights groups and religious minorities have long upheld that Pakistan’s infamous blasphemy law is often used to persecute purposes.
Joseph says
In Pope Francis’ defense, last month he was busy with more important matters at the so-called ‘Synod on the Family’…such as finding ways to admit divorced and remarried Catholics to Holy Communion and ways to better appreciate the “gifts and qualities” that homosexuals bring to the Church. /sarc
Wellington says
Fine sarcasm, Joseph. Yes, Pope Francis is opening up one Pandora’s Box after another. To date, I can only conclude that the man is a fool. I have little to no evidence that he isn’t. And it’s not good when the person who occupies the throne of St. Peter is a fool (few popes have been fools and many have been great men but, unfortunately, Francis belongs with the former).
Not good for Catholics. Not good for the world at large. Were I an informed and sensible Roman Catholic, I would be greatly dismayed by Francis. Hell, I’m not religious at all and I’m dismayed. I so much admired the previous pope. He was possessed of great knowledge, guts and wisdom. Simply can’t admire the present one though. Not at all.
Joseph says
Of course, you’re right to be dismayed and many Catholics, including myself, openly are so as well. There is a lot of evidence already that “Pope Bergoglio”, as his Catholic critics have taken to calling him, is a Modernist heretic. And unfortunately he is far from alone in this. At the recent synod, more than half of the [200] synod fathers present voted for the proposal of [heretical German] Cardinal Walter Kasper to admit divorced and remarried Catholics to Holy Communion, which of course goes directly against the Church’s perennial teaching on the indissolubility of marriage, not to mention the direct words of Christ himself in the Gospels.
And the point is that Cardinal Kasper was hand-picked by Pope Francis to take a lead role in the synod proceedings. I could go on, but I will spare you. Two [faithful Catholic] websites that have covered the numerous doctrinal problems with the current pope, for anyone who is interested, are: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com and http://www.churchmilitant.tv
Anyway, my point as regards this JihadWatch post is simply that Robert is quite correct to point out the negligence and abject cowardice of many western religious leaders vis-a-vis Islam and its persecution of Christians all over the world. They never say a word themselves, except perhaps to repeat the nauseating “religion of peace” mantra. And, perhaps more tellingly, they quash any discussion of the topic on their watch, as Robert again rightly points out. Of course, Bishop McManus comes immediately to mind. But even Pope Francis, recall, declared officially last year that:
“Authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence” [Evangelii Gaudium #253]. If you can even imagine such a statement. So the problem goes all the way to the top of the Church hierarchy, unfortunately.
Just when the world needs prudent, well-informed, and courageous church leaders to deal with the pressing problem of Islam (among many other problems) it seems that they are few and far between. I pray for Asia Bibi every day because I feel so bad for her little children who have to watch their mother be treated so horribly and threatened with death.
How – indeed – did Pope Francis reply to her very humble request for help earlier this year? Not a word. And that truly is a disgrace.
Wellington says
I have to wonder, Joseph, if Francis’ foolishness will give rise to another Archbishop Lefebvre type, only one far more powerful and influential. At worst, Francis’ pontificate could prove to be the greatest calamity within the Church power structure since the Great Schism of the late 14th and early 15th centuries. Not sure where all this is headed but seen from my perspective, an outsider looking in, it doesn’t look good. And I have found myself at times wondering what the previous pope, an impressive pontiff as I saw him, in his cloistered retirement thinks of all this. It certainly can’t be a comfort to him.
umbra says
if only the present roman pontiff could pay a visit to isis controlled iraq or syria. isis could educate him on some finer points of islam.
KiwiKaffir says
And there was me thinking the pope was infallible!?!
mortimer says
Pope Benedict had an understanding of the self-righteous rage within Islam.
Edward says
Wellington, on your November 6, 2014 at 7:59 pm post, you wrote: “it doesn’t look good.”
From your forensic science perspective you may be well to think about a modern day SCHISM!
The catholic online website (aka) catholic.org posted the ‘Is Pope Francis steering the Catholic Church towards SCHISM?’ article; asking the same possibility today.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=57550
A reader (Ana) ponders on what you are thinking about and went to post this thought:
“Maybe we are rushing towards schism and maybe that is the Pope’s intention in order to promote ecumenism, for which he has an ultra soft spot for. I don’t ever remember any Pope having so many Protestant friends from all denominations as he has. Something remiss here!” – Ana Milan, comment-er 11/06/14 – catholic.org
Pls note: on your November 6, 2014 at 7:59 pm post, the one I wished to reply to didn’t have the [Reply] button, so I used your previous one @ November 6, 2014 at 6:36 pm. to do so. I’m new to JW. Is the absence of the [Reply] button to some posts a common problem? Thanks!
Rob Porter says
Wellington, thanks for giving me a good chuckle over your blunt comments re Pope Francis. He is a poor specimen for a Pope and now I see that Cardinal Burke who during this recent synod so nobly stood for what is right by Biblical standards, is losing the position he held and being moved away from the Vatican. I cannot believe that Pope Francis did not have a hand in this ignoble decision.
Good to see what Robert Spencer has written here about church leadership in the West. In my own experience it is totally gutless. Christian men, women and children are being brutally and sadistically murdered by dregs of humanity Muslims all over the Muslim world, yet these pathetic excuses for Christians remain silent. A disgraceful betrayal by these cowards in the West who in their more pious moments would refer to those Christians in Muslim lands as “our brothers and sisters in Christ”. Some ‘brothers and sisters’ these gutless wonder Western ‘Christians’ are! Politically correct to the core, utterly duped by Muslim liars claiming that the brutality has nothing to do with Islam, they really don’t want to see the truth about Islam. It could bring about some ‘oh so nasty’ confrontation.
Joseph says
Amen.
Veronica says
The leaders of the Christian and Catholic churches keep very silent on the persecuted brethren…when they should be up in arms and also calling for worldwide prayer.
There is a petition you can sign through ACLJ…for the release of Asia Bibi and other worthwhile petitions…
Greyhound Fancier says
One small ray of light – the Episcopal Diocese of Nebraska has chosen to stop supporting the Tri-Faith Initiative, an attempt at dialogue between Christians, Muslims, and Jews.
This was announced at the Diocesan Annual Council last month.
However, a Methodist group in the Omaha area has taken the place of the Episcopalians.
Oliver says
Did the Episcopal Diocese leave because of the Muslims? Or, are they like the Presbyterian leadership that is against (reality, different words were used–disinvestment, boycott, etc) Israel and Jews.?
(By the way, some Muslim anal pore in the US was overjoyed that Soda Stream was closing a plant in the West Bank. “The boycott” has succeeded. It certainly did. In an area with rampant unemployment, almost 1,000 Palestinians lost their WELL PAYING jobs. (Some of the best paying jobs-outside of being Abbas’s cronies, of course) in the area. But he and his ‘400″ religious and community organizations must be proud,as they sip their wine and eat their cheese). ( was on the JTA a few weeks ago about the plant, ans the Muslim leader calling the boycott and plant closing a success). Opinions as to the slime are mine.
Sam says
What a shame on us in western “civilization” that we have to beg these cult members of Islam not to kill innocent people. Islam must be defeated by force once for all not to resurface ever again. Otherwise we will be facing this problem for another 1000 years or more.
Berq says
Europe has abundoned Its christian roots.Muslims persecution of christians throughout the world is ignored by the western media and ever worse,largly ignored by the christian clergy.Very soon Europe will pay the heavy price of this negligence.Europe is losing grounds realy fast because of their political correct politicians.In reality the muslims are full of hatred,the Islamist have nothing in common with judaism and christianty.History has shown that where ever Islam venture,it clashes with the native culture,until that culture is defeated.
Salah says
“Europe has abundoned Its christian roots.”
Well said, Berq. This is why we have such a clown for a Pope.
“The most evident mark of God’s anger, and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world, is manifest when He permits His people to fall into the hands of a clergy who are more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds. They abandon the things of God to devote themselves to the things of the world and, in their saintly calling of holiness, they spend their time in profane and worldly pursuits. When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people and is visiting His most dreadful wrath upon them.”
–Saint John Eudes
Rob Porter says
Berq, you are right. The basis of the problem in Europe is its abandonment of its Christian roots. It’s no different in Canada. About 24 years ago on tv I watched a man introduced as Canada’s leading sociologist. He informed viewers that most Canada’s “don’t believe in anything much anymore”. That being the case, what would they fight for and by what – if anything – are they offended? The result is a spiritual vacuum with no solid beliefs, relativism, and thus no moral compass. In such a circumstance, in time, the chickens come home to roost.
Ayatrollah says
The believers have already killed two,people calling for mercy? Good luck the president will. Pakistan does not care if they look filthy to the world. Or maybe they don’t. We just need to understand their culture.
Peter B says
This is certainly the right thing to do in this case, but whenever Patriarch Kirill speaks, the real question to ask is “what’s in it for Putin.” Kirill, alleged to have been a KGB agent, is Putin’s man.
C. Janjusic says
Kiril is not the Patriarch that is rumored to be KGB…. it was his predecessor.
I do not think either man was a communist, EVER!
Peter B says
“Kiril is not the Patriarch that is rumored to be KGB…. it was his predecessor”
Kiril too.
It’s interesting to watch Putin’s… evolution:
“In 2009, the Russian leader condemned the Nazi-Soviet pact as “immoral” but said France and the UK had destroyed any chance for an anti-fascist front with the Munich Agreement.”
And more recently, “Putin has said there was nothing bad about the Nazi-Soviet Pact, the non-aggression treaty which led to the carve-up of Poland at the outset of the Second World War.”
He correctly “suggest[s] Britain and France were to blame for Adolf Hitler’s march into Europe.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladimir-Putin-says-there-was-nothing-wrong-with-Soviet-Unions-pact-with-Adolf-Hitlers-Nazi-Germany.html
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
They say that memories are eternal at the Holy See. Surely they’re thinking about centuries ago when the Moslems rolled into Rome in the name of Allah, and must worry about a large scale mass murder attack there that could kill thousands of revenue generating tourists there now.
The Pope can’t take up the cause when groups within his flock are subjugated, robbed, kidnapped into sex-slavery, or even mass murdered. The Vatican must think about the security of… the Vatican.
Oliver says
I ( am not Catholic, but did attend a Jesuit (Catholic) University).
I think that you are correct.
With all of Francis’s gestures of being ‘for the people” and ” doing more for the poor”, and giving up the limo for a small/er car, etc.
I think show.
Recall Jimmy Carter ” carrying his own suitcases”– they were empty- the Secret Service had his packed ones.
I see the pope the same way–a phony.
On another JW post, I asked about his connections with the Dirty War, and there were links-of some of his ties. I also think that he was somehow connected (or, at least, did nothing, on his watch) about the pedophiles in the priesthood, while he was the head honcho in his country (in the Catholic church).
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
As a Roman Catholic, I only go into Catholic Churches now for weddings and funerals. I ain’t looking for advice from a priest on how to handle political economics, the most important subject since the beginning of time. Pope Francis comes from a globo-socialist upbringing, were justice comes in a package of free money for the most, which of course leaves behind self-responsibility and therefore freedom. In fact, where he comes from they don’t even believe in paying their debts. This is a rich medicine when applied to mortality, where accounts must be paid upon entry into the afterlife.
This is the great innovation of Moslemism: there ain’t no payment upon death, just an eternal party thrown for those who did injustice while alive, replete with whores and rent boys.
ben t says
AMEN, BROTHER!!
Carlos Danger says
the archbishop of Canterbury is even more useless than Pope Francis.
Mainstream christian churches are engaged in a race to the bottom.
fair_dinkum says
the tough Russians do one thing consistently … speak the plain truth.
it is arguable that they have been through more suffering than any other people, consistently … for centuries and millennia … from vikings, to 2nd wave moslams, the ottamans, mongels, poland, tsars, ..
to hitler, their own leaders such as Stalin etc…
no time for embellishment
Putin is Russian Orthodox and we know his views on moslams. this Patriarch has Vlads endorsement. what western Bishop can say the equivalent ?
Kepha says
I am intrigued by today’s Russia.
I grew up when the self-styled “Brights” (yeah, anachronistic, I know) saw Russia as the beacon of advanced, scientific, religion-free modernity. Now, I understand, there is a widespread return to traditional religion in Russia, and even an Orthodox Church especially built to minister to KGB-niks. It seems that Yeltsin made it a point to reconcile with the Orthodox Church, and Putin also seems to have done so.
In any case, my very Protestant hat is off to the Moscow Patriarch for standing up for Asia Bibi–and I groan at the unwillingness of the Mainline “Protestant” churches and Rome to do anything but grovel.
Oliver says
To K:
How can the “mainline” Protestant churches (in the Us and probably most of Europe-including the UK) do anything like The Patriarch of the Russian Church.
Like the Presbyterians, who voted for the Boycott/disinvestment in Israel (if they are sincere, which I doubt–I think that they are sincere only about their wallets) they would give up their cell phones (technology developed in Israel); computers (Pentium chip developed there ; and many modern medicines).
That is SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.
And as I posted the other day, they (boycotters) won. Soda Stream is closing its West Bank plant. And in an area with widespread unemployment, almost 1,000 (I think the figure was 750 or something like that) Palestinians will lose their jobs.
Well done. Doing well for the underclass.
Alice says
Kudos to him! Thank goodness SOMEONE has a spine.
mortimer says
Other clergy should join Patriarch Kirill and beg for this innocent woman’s life.
Even the President of Pakistan realizes the verdict is wrong and the law stinks.
Pakistan has a civil war going on between the jihadists and those who don’t want severe Sharia.
Islam has no half measures…that’s the problem…all or nothing and they’re all afraid to leave their Death Cult…feet first!
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I don’t believe any of us should *beg*—instead, we should apply pressure—bad press, at the least, and telling them they would lose their “foreign aid” would be even better.
Kudos to Patriarch Kirill for taking a stand.
jewdog says
At least this guy is doing his job. Baruch Hashem for him.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I saw this dude on JLTV the other night who runs some organization to fight the war of words against the “Palestinians.” The interview was basically a celebration of the fact that his outfit has run a successful campaign on the elites of Norway, rubbing the country’s nose in the dirty fact that the Norwegian Taxpayer Money transferred to the Bedouin there every year is mostly used to fund mass murder. The news has been on TV in Norway for some months now, since the Jew’s careful study first hit the airwaves. The Norwegians are actually considering the bright idea of being less generous with Abbas, perhaps the most successful mooch in the world, and a murderous one to boot.
Imagine that, we’ve come to the spot where America’s foreign policy is to the left of that from the great socialist paradise of Norway. I wonder if Fjordman has written about this.
jewdog says
Yes, Norway has Fjordman. Now all they need are nine more good people and Hashem will spare it.
ECAW says
A little while ago I had a short exchange with gravenimage about the possibility of the Pope being assassinated in a jihadist attack. I took the unpleasant view that it would be a good thing for Western civilization. I have tried to justify that view here:
http://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/10/22/popes-priests-and-islam/
I would welcome other people’s views.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
In light of the shooting of Pope John Paul a few decades ago by an agitated Moslem, the scenario of Francis being murdered is certainly tenable. The Jihiad has grown nicely since the 1980s. Just like mujahadins, Popes know that they’re going to heaven when the lights go out, so what do they care.
But killing Francis won’t matter. The papacy is a functionary position now, bereft of ideals and principles. The Church would just bring in a new guy to proceed to do some serious Moslem ass kissing, in both public and private, and the beat would go on.
gravenimage says
ECAW wrote:
A little while ago I had a short exchange with gravenimage about the possibility of the Pope being assassinated in a jihadist attack. I took the unpleasant view that it would be a good thing for Western civilization. I have tried to justify that view here:
…………………………………..
Well, you didn’t say you wanted to hear from me again, ECAW, but I hope you don’t mind if I chime in anyway.
With all respect, I consider this a *terrible* idea, for a number of reasons.
First and foremost, while I am no particular fan of Pope Francis, and consider him in many ways a tool, I don’t want to see *any* victims of Jihad savagery. He may be a fool, but he is a peaceful man and would not deserve this.
Secondly, chances are that he would be replaced not with another Pope Benedict, but another pontiff very like himself.
As APF points out, Pope John Paul II was shot and very nearly killed by a Muslim, and while there was a global outpouring of concern, very few actually understood the significance of this attack. I’m ashamed to admit it, but I didn’t, either—not at the time.
One might argue—rightly so—that more is known about Jihad now than was then, and this is true. But I imagine that it would mostly just be blamed on “extremists”, with few—Catholics or otherwise—understanding that this would be an Islamic attack on the leader of an Infidel faith.
While Catholics—even those who had issues with Francis as an individual—would be heartbroken, I very much doubt that this would serve as a rallying point for opposing JIhad.
What it *would* serve as, I’m afraid, is a rallying point *for Jihadists*. Clueless, appeasing dhimmi or not, Pope Francis is the leader of the largest and oldest Christian denomination—how could this *not* embolden pious Muslims?
That is exactly what I have to say to those who make the same suggestion you are here re Obama—enabler or not, he is still the American president, and Jihadists would *love* to take out such a high-profile leader. The same goes with the British Prime Minister, no matter which individual this might be.
Which brings me to another point: you cannot assume that losing a leader (and I am using the term broadly here) would automatically lead to resistance—in many cases throughout history it has, instead, led to depression and surrender. One cannot be sure that would not be the case here for large numbers of people.
My final point is this: we *did* finally wake up to the Fascist threat seventy years ago, and it wasn’t because some Nazi assassinated Winston Churchill or Franklin Roosevelt.
Pope Francis is unlikely to prove any sort of rallying point against Islam, living or dead. I hope he takes “early retirement” as did his much abler predecessor—but I don’t want to see him murdered by savages.
Rezali Mehil says
@Champ,
Champ… There …right there is the true christian, that I am talking about …so different to the false paper thin christians of America…he so understands the christian umma… AND
no doubt…no doubt… that had he made the mistake of calling someone a liar ..like you did…he would be magnanimous enough to apologise…so now it’s your turn….
apologise …so that we can start to get along.
More Later ….
Rezali
gravenimage says
The vicious Rezali Mehil wrote:
@Champ,
Champ… There …right there is the true christian, that I am talking about …so different to the false paper thin christians of America…he so understands the christian umma… AND
………………………..
There is no “christian umma”—Christians are not mindless slaves as are Muslims.
And what does the appalling Rezali Mehil regard as a “true christian” (sic)? Someone who doesn’t dare to point out the savagery of Islam—which may, in fact rule out Patriarch Kirill after all.
She would have us believe that one isn’t a “true” Christian unless one meekly—and *silently*—accepts every act of Muslim savagery against themselves, their loved ones, and their societies.
*What crap*.
More:
no doubt…no doubt… that had he made the mistake of calling someone a liar ..like you did…he would be magnanimous enough to apologise…so now it’s your turn….
………………………..
Rezali Mehil lies constantly—she lied in the post above. What she means is that a Christian should not dare *call* a Muslim a liar. After all, this is not allowed under Shari’ah law, and that is what this foul Muslimah wants to see imposed everywhere.
This is why she has a special hatred of Champ and Dumbledore’s Army—Christians—women, no less!—who dare to call her out on her crap.
More:
apologise …so that we can start to get along.
………………………..
“Start to get along”—as Rezali Mehil sees it, that means passively accepting any sort of barbarism she and her homicidal coreligionists dish out.
And note she says *nothing* about Asia Bibi, whom her homeland of Pakistan wants to murder for the “crime” of being a Christian, and saying so. *Ugh*.
Gay Zionist says
Kirill is nothing but a pawn of Putin who has publicly stated that Putin’s right to rule is divine. He may be right here, but he’s also a servant of a tyrant who would love nothing better than to re-establish the Soviet Union. He’s “Christian” in name only. His church is also indirectly responsible for effectively re-criminalizing homosexuality in Russia and endorsing violence against Gay people.
Religious folk certainly have a right to believe something is wrong, but they do not have a right to enforce those views on the rest of society through the power of the state. If you’ve been following Putin’s actions both in Ukraine and internally, he’s not deserving of any measure of admiration, nor are his supporters.
ben t says
GAYS HAVE ONLY ONE AGENDA, THE PROMOTION AND SPREAD OF HOMOSEXUALITY. EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY.
gravenimage says
Bull—I have a friend who is gay, and is a staunch Anti-Jihadist.
Oliver says
As I posted earlier- way up there- is Putin’s 9and the orthodox Church’s) views on homosexuality WORSE then the Muslim (official) view-IE. HANGING (Iran); executing 9other Muslim paradises?).
i doubt it.
And, in The Ukraine, there was 9 then labeled a forgery0 a ‘ requirement’ for Jews to register.
Putin has given Jews in Russia freedom, and provided guards for synagogues. In the Ukraine, the synagogues have been targets of ‘vandalism”.
I prefer Putin to the creeps in the Ukraine. ( My grandparents left the worker’s paradise well over a century ago).
David Arnold says
A pox on ALL your houses. Islam is horrific mainly because as an ideology/ethical code it violates contemporary standards of civil and human rights. Any religion which does the same deserves the same disapproval and opposition. Other religions may not go as far as Islam in deviant mores, but there is a lot of the pot calling the kettle black here.
gravenimage says
What rot. What other religions are enslaving, imprisoning, and murdering people based on belonging to other faiths? Witless false moral equivalence.
Elisheva says
It probably will be Russia that will be the strong nation that will lead the world against the savages.
albert says
Whoever would have thought back in the days of the cold war that the time would come when Holy Mother Russia would be defending the worlds Christians while white house aids laughed at the plight of the persecuted.
Kepha says
@albert–Holy Mother Russia? More like Tante Royzl.
Still, as in the immortal words of Yul Brynner, “‘Tis a puzzlement”.
shahzeb says
She is not only one in that facing these things in Pakistan, there are many like her,last week a muslims people mob killed one couple by stoning them and after words they threw them in kiln,where they were workers of bricks makers.This very common in Pakistan.
But government dose not care because there religion allow them to kill others.
shahji
Oliver says
Could you clarify:
Was it the couple were killed by a mob, and then the (now dead) couple were thrown in a kiln?
Or, was it one or more of the mob thrown in the kiln?
dumbledoresarmy says
It was the two Christians who were thrown into the brick-kiln.
And it is unclear whether they were dead when they were thrown in, or whether – horribly – they were still alive, though badly injured.
Some of the horrifying story of the Muslim mob murder of Shama and Shahzad Masih is told here:
http://www.britishpakistanichristians.co.uk/blog/eldest-son-of-shahzad-and-shama-witnessed-the-ho
This is what their young son saw:
“After a while he witnessed, “Many people were gathering and they were equipped with big iron rods and sticks in their hands. They tore my parents’ clothes off and started bashing them. They hit them on the head, legs, back, anywhere that they could reach, beating them so severely, they couldn’t stand up. There was blood everywhere. The mob threw their bodies into the fire of the brick kiln, shouting no-one could stop them, they were shouting at and hitting other Christians too.””
*That* is the Muslim mob.
In this case, they did it to two helpless, unarmed Christians.
Elsewhere, in other times and places, the Muslim Mob has done this kind of sh*t – and worse, much worse – to Hindus, to Jews, to Buddhists, to animists, to atheists, to anyone identified either as a non-Muslim or as a wrong-sect or insufficiently-Islamic Muslim or as an apostate from Islam.
This is Islam: the ecstasy of the mob-murder, the ritual human sacrifice. Getting high on *torture-murder* of human beings.
Very often, in such cases, the victims are raped, even raped-to-death. And if not burnt – as happened here – the bodies may be ritually mutilated, not merely by beheading, but by even more horrible acts – cutting off the breasts of women, and cutting out or cutting off genitals, and cutting open the bellies of pregnant women. It’s all about the adoration and exaltation of Thanatos. It’s about trying to make the victims even-deader-than-dead.
Islam is a Death Cult, or more precisely, a Murder Cult.
gravenimage says
All very true, Shahji. That Western countries—the US in particular—are sending no-strings-attached foreign aid to these barbarians is criminal.
shabeer_hassan says
Allah will punish HIS ENEMY:
3:86. How shall Allâh guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).
3:87. they are those whose recompense is that on them (rests) the Curse of Allâh, of the angels, and of all mankind.
3:88. they will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while).
3: 90. Verily, those who disbelieved after their Belief and then went on increasing in their disbelief (i.e. disbelief in the Qur’ân and in Prophet Muhammad SAW) – never will their repentance be accepted [because they repent only by their tongues and not from their hearts]. And they are those who are astray.
3: 177. Verily, those who purchase disbelief at the price of Faith, not the least harm will they do to Allâh. For them, there is a painful torment.
4: 137. Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allâh will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way.
9: 74. They swear by Allâh that they said nothing (bad), but really they said the word of disbelief, and they disbelieved after accepting Islâm, and they resolved that (plot to murder Prophet Muhammad SAW) which they were unable to carry out, and they could not find any cause to do so except that Allâh and His Messenger had enriched them of His Bounty. If then they repent, it will be better for them, but if they turn away, Allâh will punish them with a painful torment in this worldly life and in the Hereafter. And there is none for them on earth as a Walî (supporter, protector) or a helper.
16: 106. Whoever disbelieved in Allâh after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allâh, and theirs will be a great torment.
9: 101. And among the Bedouins round about you, some are hypocrites, and so are some among the people of Al-Madinah, they exaggerate and persist in hypocrisy, you (O Muhammad SAW) know them not, We know them. We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great (horrible) torment.
Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 149
The Prophet then said, “The first of the human beings to be dressed on the Day of Resurrection will be Abraham. Lo! Some men from my followers will be brought and then (the angels) will drive them to the left side (Hell-Fire). I will say. ‘O my Lord! (They are) my companions!’ Then a reply will come (from Almighty), ‘You do not know what they did after you.’ I will say as the pious slave (the Prophet Jesus) said: And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them. When You took me up. You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to all things.’ (5.117) Then it will be said, “These people have continued to be apostates since you left them.”
Jen says
Get lost you stupid Muslim. How many of these are you going to post to try and convince us your ‘religion’ isn’t evil? It is evil. And you can’t do anything, or say anything to change that.
We’re not joining your ‘religion’ and we’re not going to hell for refusing to either. We don’t care what your Allah is going to do to ‘punish the enemy.’
And why on earth would be give a sh*t about what your vicious pedophile ‘prophet’ has to say?
I hope you’re living in a Muslim country.
*Ugh* Repulsive. My stomach turns.
gravenimage says
The evil shabeer hassan wrote:
Allah will punish HIS ENEMY:
3:86. How shall Allâh guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allâh guides not the people who are Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers)…
9: 74. They swear by Allâh that they said nothing (bad), but really they said the word of disbelief…
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This vicious Mohammedan is sneering at the prospect of a peaceful woman being butchered by his savage coreligonists.
My God, how I hate Islam.
James Cramer says
I’m not a Christian leader, just an old retired pastor. Whatever I write to U.S. Gov’t. officials is ignored, or given a generic return explaining how the administration is doing all they can do. So, my question is to whom may I write in Pakistan to sound off on Ms Bibi’s behalf? I don’t want to join a ongoing debate, just aim a possibly responsive target.
dumbledoresarmy says
The Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury should be standing right beside the Patriarch of Russia, and speaking out publicly and loudly on behalf of Asia Bibi and all the other persecuted Christians – and for that matter, other persecuted non-Muslim minorities – in hideous Islamic Pakistan and in other horrible Muslim hellholes.
Shame on them that they are not.
Think about it: an Eastern Orthodox, a Russian Orthodox patriarch, is speaking up on behalf of a persecuted Christian in Pakistan, who is a *Catholic*.
That’s real ecumenical Christian charity.
Bless him!
Mirren10 says
I sent an email to the Archbishop of Canterbury, followed up by a proper letter. Here’s the reply I got to my email:
”Thank you for your message. Of course Archbishop Justin is greatly concerned about Asia Bibi and is doing all in his power to help her. The difficulties and delicacies are very considerable though. You can be assured though that he and other Christian leaders are active in this and many other similar situations, even if you do not read about what is happening in the press.
Yours sincerely”
I would imagine the ”difficulties and delicacies” he refers to are that Pakistan is supposed to be our ally, and we send them vast amounts of jizya.
So, not to worry, even if we don’t read about it in the press, old ‘Justin’ is doing everything he can. Pffft.