Pamela Geller says it: “Does the Pope really think Boko Haram needs a heart-to-heart convo about tolerance? Is he nuts? Attacks, massacres, forced conversions of Christians, forced marriages and sharia: the protocol Boko Haram has been told in ghastly detail by the few fortunate survivors. Jihadists are slaughtering Christian children, kidnapping young girls and selling them in slave markets to Muslims, targeting teachers and doctors, and the Pope thinks it’s a lack of inter-faith dialogue?”“Pope Francis Calls for Seminary Training for Dealing with Muslims,” by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, November 10, 2014 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
In a meeting with African bishops Monday, Pope Francis called for more careful instruction for seminarians on dealing with Muslims.
“I think it is important that the clergy receive a more structured training in the seminary in order to carry out a constructive dialogue with Muslims, a dialogue ever more necessary to live a peaceful coexistence with them,” he said.
The Pope noted that Africa presents a special situation for Christians because Islam is “strongly majoritarian” in many places. He added that there are great differences from place to place in the “conditions of reciprocal relations” with Islam.
The Pope added that if all of us who believe in God want to serve reconciliation, justice, and peace, “we must work together to outlaw all forms of discrimination, intolerance and sectarian fundamentalism.” On the Church’s part, he said, she “must constantly bear witness to the love of God, the Creator of all men, making no distinction among religions in her social action.”…
Micheal Breathnach says
Bergoglio believes in secularism, not Christianity. Of course he promotes the absurdities of the secular progressive dhimmis. He is a disgrace.
ben t says
AGREED!! If he continues his plaintive, naive ways there will be schism in the Church rivaling 1054.
Rita says
While Israel does the work the Vatican should do, this leftist, terrorists-schmusing pope does the work of the devil.
http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/israel-does-work-of-vatican.html
And yes, I am Catholic educated, but at present I call myself a Catholic Agnostic.
Akritas says
Why dont’ you try the orthodox christianity.
I believe that you may find some answers.
umbra says
The bishop of Rome is not the Catholic Church. The present bishop of Rome is first and foremost a modern jesuit, then (supposedly) a Catholic.
Jaladhi says
Since when Muslims have a “constructive dialogue” with non- Muslims?? Wishful thinking on part of this Pope!! Muslims only understand the language of force and nothing else!!
Keith says
Of course Muslims have a “constructive dialogue” with non-muslims. Muslims are very direct in their communication all over the world. What could be more direct and “constructive” than a lorry load of explosives parked in your front room, or local church/market/meeting place, a “friendly” muslim wearing a suicide vest showing his love for you with a knife (sharp or blunt doesn’t matter), calling for all women to be covered in the trade mark marquis that they insist their women wear, the constant bleating about Islamophobia over the slightest of things like singing the theme tune of Peppa Pig, to your toddler on a bus.
I believe that Islam is having a dialogue with the rest of the world and telling us exactly what they want but no one in authority is listening, especially the liberal left progressives, the Pope, the UN and of course the governments of western nations.
You are so right muslims only understand brute force because they are ignorant at the least
onisac says
“You are so right Muslims only understand brute force because they are ignorant at the least”
I think you mean all Muslims follow sharia law, and only sharia law
stferdinandiii says
I am a Catholic and a hobbyist historian. Pope Frank is a joke. Gregory, Sylvester, Urban 2, Pius, JP2, Benedict…..now we have a Latino clown who washes the feet of fascists from Muhammad’s moon cult, as they murder Catholics and Christians over an enormous swath of territory. Interfaith appeasement, surrender. Pope Idiot.
UnEasyOne says
This is like a lion having a constructive dialogue with a lamb – about lunch.
One party to the dialogue will find it most satisfying; the other? Not so much.
PJ says
You say that you are a Catholic? Hmmmm, then perhaps you haven’t read today’s readings yet. Please take a couple of minutes to do do and then reflect on them, in particular Paul’s letter to Titus. As a Catholic, I’m sure that you know when we read the readings, (hopefully everyday) we should be asking God what it is He would like to say to us. He is speaking to each of us individually.
Evil exist to be sure and we must fight it, but we must make sure that our hearts and heads are focused Christ throughout the battle. We must chose our words wisely and not become as ugly and vile as the enemy.
Darren says
Moderation in the face of evil simply leads to further victimization. Power comes through the barrel of the gun it always has. Force is what wins battles and wars not clever sounding words and ideologies that make you feel good. We need to turn those plowshares into swords, or we will be consumed as simple as that. You don’t win a war by dying for your country or ideology you make the poor dumb bastard die for his. Cute sounding words that make you feel good about yourself is not how we win this war, and make no mistake about it, it’s a war to the death, they know it, it’s about time we did as well.
Jen says
He has lost his mind. He needs to do some reading about Islam instead of focusing on other things.
Jen says
The Pope noted that Africa presents a special situation for Christians because Islam is “strongly majoritarian” in many places. He added that there are great differences from place to place in the “conditions of reciprocal relations” with Islam.
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This kind of thing. He’s behaving like he’s brainwashed. Why not pick up their ‘religious’ books and have a look to be sure? There *are* differences in how Islam manifests itself in different regions but they are differences which are overall irrelevant because the long-term outcome ends up looking similar with mass murders and rape. He must not know this of course. And the reason why the “conditions of reciprocal relations” are different is most likely to do with the span of time that non-Muslims within these areas have had to endure a bashing of violent Muslim behaviour over their head. Islam intends to be “strongly majoritarian,” regardless of where it resides and people outside of the west are more aware of it and more against “dialogue” because they know it is completely pointless since Muslims cannot be trusted. It’s almost insulting to the many victims of Islam that he reaches out to people who adhere to this ‘religion’ when it is obvious that their fellow Muslims are killing people everywhere. Why isn’t this evidence enough to prompt him to check for himself? It’s like explosives going off, all around you, and you’re still saying ‘this is not a war.’
Keith says
Of course he checks out all the religious texts of Islam, of course not personally he has a team of Imam’s to do it for him then he accepts their advice and acts on it. The same with all the allegations of muslim crimes against non muslims his specially selected team of Imam’s are there to advise him of what really happened.
Darren says
It makes him feel, that’s the key word here feel not reason more holy divine and spiritual to speak about dialog ect. Turning the other cheek simply gets the cheek you just presented to your enemy hurt as well. Force is the only thing savages understand, we must break their will to fight and hurt infidels all around the world. Naive idealists get either themselves killed or other people look no further than the despicable man known as Ghandi. His naive hubris cost the lives of millions, he should be reviled for being so naive not celebrated.
Darren says
They make it clear they are our enemies. So if you are my enemy don’t expect me to treat you like you are my friend. Why do we treat these savages like poor little children who don’t know right from wrong? Quit being so damned naive.
Bob C IL says
Pope Francis …. are you and obama attempting to deconstruct western civilization?
There is no COEXIST with these people.
Do you not understand what is taking place in the world?
Do you not understand that … ISLAM = SHARIA LAW ????
They are slaughtering CHRISTIANS.
Cut the liberal bull $ hit and stand up for Christians and Jews.
Gary says
“must constantly bear witness to the love of God, the Creator of all men, making no distinction among religions in her social action.”…
And let’s remember not to mention that Jesus Christ stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me.”
…..We’d hate to offend any muslim with the truth.
Joseph says
test
Ayatrollah says
Can you imagine any Muslim country doing this kind of thing for non Muslim?
They do. It is called the dhimmi pact.
Wellington says
I am an agnostic, nothing of a religious nature resides in me, it’s just the way I am, but I would make this distinction, which sadly Pope Francis seems incapable or unwilling to do, and that is that Christianity is an enlightened religion, worthy of respect by even those who don’t adhere to it, be they religious or non-religious, but Islam is not enlightened, not at all, and is worthy of being scorned by all sensible people, whether religious or not, because it is steeped in anti-liberty sentiments and dictates, because it clearly lacks a true Golden Rule for all, because it is a third-rate copy-cat of Judaism and Christianity, and becasue the reputed founder of this religion demonstrated the personality of a deeply disturbed and self-serving psychopath, contra the founder of Christianity or the founder of any other major religious or ethical system. (Sorry for the long sentence.)
UnEasyOne says
If Mohammed was not evil, the word “evil” simply has no meaning.
No religious leader with any claim of or pretense of any moral authority can avoid that fact without completely invalidating that claim.
epistemology says
Thanks a lot Wellington for enriching my vocabulary. “Third-rate copy-cat” is a great term. This pope is really a nutcase, he’s one of the utterly goody-goodies. No idea about Islam but he wants to talk to these villains. I can’t fathom, why he doesn’t understand that Islam is against everything our civilisation stands for. The pope is really a disgrace, being so utterly naive you can’t direct an institution like the Catholic church.
Diane Harvey says
“I think it is important that the clergy receive a more structured training in the seminary in order to carry out a constructive dialogue with Muslims, a dialogue ever more necessary to live a peaceful coexistence with them,” the Pope said.
*****
The NRA has plenty of structured training courses on just this subject.
onisac says
The NRA isn’t much good to the free world when you really need them.
AnneCrockett says
“peaceful coexistence?”
Afterward Jesus appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. And he said to them, “Go into all the world and peacefully coexist. Don’t make waves, especially with those people, you know?”
Darren says
And if peaceful coexistence is impossible what then my friend? Shall I submit to those who wish to kill or enslave me because it makes me feel good and spiritual or should I crush my enemies without mercy or pity so I can continue to live my life in peace? It sure sounds good turn the other cheek but when it comes to reality if you turn the other cheek on those who wish to kill or enslave you guess what? You get killed or enslaved. Naive idealists get people killed without exception. I’d rather be a living non idealist than a dead idealist how about you? Id rather see humanity advance not regress into a new dark ages. One of the reason I love space so much it represents the future and why I hate islam so much it represents a new dark ages. This is a war for the future of humanity which direction will we go back to the dark ages or towards the future?
Champ says
Pope ‘Pied-Piper’ Francis is leading his followers astray and down a *very* dangerous path; and anyone naive and stupid enough to enroll in this seminary training will become part and parcel of the evil Chrislam movement …
Exposing Chrislam:
http://www.exposingchrislam.com/blog/
umbra says
There are some fools within in some seminaries who would follow the present pontiff, then there are those who simply ignore this and other directives of his.
somehistory says
Long, long ago, God said, “Quit touching the unclean thing, and I will receive you (Isaiah 52:11).” It was repeated to those who became, or would become, Christian (2 Corinthians 6:17) nearly two thousand years ago.
Now this guy (no I am not Catholic) is instructing others to instruct still others to try to get closer to the unclean thing by trying harder for a dialogue. He wants to make peace with the beast. He evidently doesn’t want to see that the beast isn’t out to make peace, but out to subjugate to the death all who are alive on earth, including him. He’s going willingly and wants to take others along on the short ride to destruction.
Gary Emerson says
Unfortunately,(For those who do not have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the Churches), you are absolutely correct…….
The thief comes only to rob, steal, kill, and destroy.
Sadly…..
The Pope is a lukewarm, (Being used by Satan), and the Muslim community is blind to the fact that their “faith” is leading them, (Forever), into the pit of hell.
Joseph says
This is the last straw for me personally.
I have truly been trying to give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt with all the absolute and utter nonsense he has been spouting since the first weeks of his papacy. But this just shows beyond any doubt at all that he is already [and will continue to be] a major obstacle for the counter-jihad movement worldwide.
And what is sad is that his sentiments and views are definitely the majority view among Roman Catholics in the West. This is what fifty years of flabby “social justice” Catholicism has brought us to: a pope who wants to engage in “interfaith dialogue” with the likes of Boko Haram, ISIS, and the Muslim Brotherhood. It is just beyond the pale. That’s it, I’m done.
Saleem Smith says
I see the current Pope and the Catholic papacy much the same way as you do.
The Popes apparent ignorance of the many evils of Islamic theology is truly disgraceful. They should know that the Qur’an and the fictitious prophet of Islam are a complete fraud!
We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Islamic theology permits both slavery and sex slavery.
>>>>>
THE QURANIC SANCTION OF SLAVERY
The institution of slavery in Islam was formalized in the following Quranic verse, in which Allah distinguishes free human beings or masters, who exercise justice and righteousness, from the dumb, useless and burdensome ones, the slaves:
Allah sets forth (another) Parable of two men: one of them dumb, with no power of any sort; a wearisome burden is he to his master; whichever way he directs him, he brings no good: is such a man equal with one who commands Justice, and is on a Straight Way? [Quran 16:76]
Allah warns the believers against taking the slaves as equal partner in status and in sharing their wealth, lest they have to fear them as anyone else:
…do ye have partners among those whom your right hands possess (i.e., slaves, captives) to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Do ye fear them as ye fear each other? [Quran 30:28][3]
Allah recognizes some human beings, namely the masters, as more blessed by Himself than the less favored slaves as part of His divine plan. He warns Muslims against sharing His gifts to them equally with their slaves. Those who would take slaves as equal, warns Allah, would deny Him:
Allah has bestowed His gifts of sustenance more freely on some of you than on others: those more favoured are not going to throw back their gifts to those whom their right hands possess, so as to be equal in that respect. Will they then deny the favours of Allah? [Quran 16:71]
Allah does not only sanction the institution of slavery, He also gave divine blessing to masters (Muslim men only can own slaves) to have sex with the female slaves:
And those who guard their private parts, Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess—for these surely are not to be blamed [Quran 70:29–30]
And who guard their private parts, except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable [Quran 23:5–6]
Therefore, if there are women amongst the captives or slaves, Muslims are divinely sanctioned to have sex with them as they do with their wives. This verdict of Allah founded the institution of sex-slavery or slave-concubinage in Islam, which was widespread in the pre-colonial Muslim world and continued well into the mid-twentieth century. As far as legal marriage is concerned, there is a limitation of four wives for a man at one time [Quran 4:3], but no such limitation on the number of sex-slaves.
Allah also gave a divine sanction to Muslims for acquiring female slaves for sexual engagement by waging wars against the infidels:
O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war… [Quran 33:50]
Muslims can engage in sex with the captured slave women even if they are married, but not with the married free Muslim women:
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess… [Quran 4:24].
There are other verses in the Quran that talks approvingly of slaves and capturing them in wars. Thus, according to the divine commands of the Islamic God as enshrined in the holy Quran, Muslims are allowed to keep slaves. They can amass slaves by waging wars, have sex with the female slaves, and of course, use them as they wish. For Muslims, having sex with female slaves is as legal as having sex with their married wives. Slavery appears to be one of the most desired divine privileges in Islam, since Allah took the pain of reminding Muslims about this divine right time and again in so many verses.
http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/65-khan/809-islamic-slavery-part-1.html
Darren says
You ex muslims have my respect. You guys have balls enough to recognize an evil ideology and reject it despite what it might mean for you. I’d rather educate muslims and try to make them see the evil the ideology of islam represents, but if we can’t how else do we deal with them other than total war?
jihad me at hello says
Pope Wanker!!
Maynard Miller says
Is this guy real? Are the Muslins going to have seminars to teach their people to understand christians or just keep slicing off their heads? This guy is a fruit cake.
Jamie says
This pope is a fool if he thinks this reach out will actually work
Chryssipus says
Wellington. Couldn’t agree more, had the Muslims been behaving like the Christians, we would have had a better world, and constructive dialogue won’t resolve anything. Mohammad was truly psychopathic judging by the content of Sunna and Sira. Jesus was nicer, but I can’t help but wonder how Jesus could have endorsed, or failed to efface the Hellfire concept in the Christians doctrines, or even slavery, just my thoughts.
Western Canadian says
The term ‘slave’ when used in the old and new testament, does NOT refer to the type of slavery which islam holds so dear….. It was a reference to debt/servitude, NOT even close to what you and most presume it to be referring to…. A hideous translation error, as their is no word in Hebrew for slave….. As for hell fire…. it is the means to end life and identity, permanently. I am NOT a Christian, I just study it, at its source.
Champ says
Jesus was nicer, but I can’t help but wonder how Jesus could have endorsed, or failed to efface the Hellfire concept in the Christians doctrines …
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Jesus spoke more about hell than He did about heaven:
Question: “Will more people go to heaven or to hell?”
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/more-people-heaven-hell.html
Saleem Smith says
The Muslims respect only Islam.
In the Muslim mind, the rest the world can go to hell.
The Muslims think they are going to be rewarded for their dogged efforts of promoting Islamic theology in “Islamic Paradise.” lol
Not really
Salah says
Pope Francis is not an idiot. Obama is not an idiot. Cameron is not an idiot…etc.
These guys know exactly what they’re doing. They have the same goal as Islam: the destruction of Christianity.
And that includes the Pope.
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/11/09/repost-the-cool-kids-dont-actually-believe-any-of-that-bullshit/
deja vu says
I reluctantly agree with you, Salah. An unholy alliance to be sure. When Pope Frankie was elected didn’t someone say he would be the last Pope? It appears that he wants us to believe that Christians and Muslims believe in the same God. I smell a one world religion coming up in tandem with the corresponding one world government.
However, the Vatican’s ecumenical movement goes beyond the unity of all professing Christians. Their strategy is to bring all religions under the power and influence of the papacy. Pope John Paul II has been traveling the world to build bridges to all non-Christian religions. In a recent speech he said, “Christians and Muslims, we meet one another in faith in the one God…and strive to put into practice…the teaching of our respective holy books. Today, dialogue between our two religions [Roman Catholicism and Islam] is more necessary than ever. There remains a spiritual bond which unites us and which we must strive to recognize and develop.” Even Mother Theresa had the ecumenical spirit as noted from her book Servants of Love. She stated, “we went every day to pray in some temple or church. The Archbishop gave us permission to do so. We prayed with the Jews, the Armenians, the Anglicans, the Jains, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, and the Hindus. It was extraordinary. All hearts united in prayer to the one true God.”
We live in ‘interesting’ times.
deja vu says
I reluctantly agree with you, Salah. An unholy alliance to be sure. When Pope Frankie was elected didn’t someone say he would be the last Pope? It appears that he wants us to believe that Christians and Muslims believe in the same God. I smell a one world religion coming up in tandem with the corresponding one world government.
*NB: Amendment from the previous post*
I should have put the text below in speech marks and brought it up-to-date. My apologies.
However, the Vatican’s ecumenical movement goes beyond the unity of all professing Christians. Their strategy is to bring all religions under the power and influence of the papacy. Pope John Paul II travelled the world to build bridges to all non-Christian religions. He said, “Christians and Muslims, we meet one another in faith in the one God…and strive to put into practice…the teaching of our respective holy books. Today, dialogue between our two religions [Roman Catholicism and Islam] is more necessary than ever. There remains a spiritual bond which unites us and which we must strive to recognize and develop.” Even Mother Theresa had the ecumenical spirit as noted from her book Servants of Love. She stated, “we went every day to pray in some temple or church. The Archbishop gave us permission to do so. We prayed with the Jews, the Armenians, the Anglicans, the Jains, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, and the Hindus. It was extraordinary. All hearts united in prayer to the one true God.”
We live in ‘interesting’ times.
Darren says
We live in very dark times, if you are a lover of the ideal western civilization stands for, and support people living in mutual coexistence and co-prosperity. This century we are going to have to make some hard hard choices, either way it is going to involve a lot of bloodshed, I just rather it be theirs than ours. This century will mark the century that the normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance the west has been living with is shattered to a million pieces, and we will be forced to deal with reality on multiple fronts not just the islamic jihad one. How we deal with these coming crisis will determine which way western civilization goes. Will it be an Orwellian future or a bright future, I hope for the best, but I expect the worst.
Lynda says
I am not sure that the context of the Pope’s discussion with these Bishops represents a capitulation to Islam in terms of ‘all we need to do is dialogue’.
The link to Breitbart follows through to an Italian article which personally I cannot translate.
So we are commenting on the interpretation of an interpretation we can’t read.
On the other hand Catholic Culture provides some context.
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=23180
The Bishops of four African nations where the Christians are a significant minority.
In that context what would you suggest…that they confront Islam in some way? Wouldn’t this lead to their being attacked and killed? What else could the Pope suggest in THIS context but to do what is mentioned in the Catholic Culture article. The Church has never required that Christians witness to Christ in a way that brings upon them martyrdom if it can be avoided while remaining faithful to Christ.
It seems to me the Pope is saying learn the faith very deeply in order that you are strong. Your priests need to know the environment in which they work in order that you are faithful AND safe.
What else would you have the Pope say in these contexts.
Beagle says
I guess Pope Francis could try out the truth:
Islamic militancy is growing in many parts of the world. Christians have recently become some of the most persecuted people of faith in the world. Christianity has been nearly wiped out in Iraq and Syria just in the last couple years. In other parts of the world Muslims wage warfare against Christians to destroy them or convert them by force. The oldest Christian community in the world, until recently speaking the language of Jesus, Malula in Iraq, is now a ghost town.
While Christianity preaches peace and to turn the other cheek, it is not a religion of suicide. It is necessary for Christians to prepare to defend themselves and their families. It is not just to murder and wage offensive warfare for immoral purposes, but self defense is a right granted to all humans by God. Christians are not exempted from this most basic right.
voegelinian says
Yes, something along those lines would be better than urging the chierici to receive nel seminario una formazione più strutturata, in modo da sviluppare sul posto un dialogo costruttivo con i musulmani, dialogo sempre più necessario per vivere con loro una coabitazione pacifica — layered on thick after that with a pregnant reference to an “Apostolic Exhortation” delivered by Pope Francis’s marginally less asymptotic predecessor, Benedict XVI, to clergy and laity of the Church in Africa which featured among its points a “Dialogue and communion among believers” (yes, “believers” in the plural meaning to include Muslims), with such nonsense as this:
…peace in Africa, as elsewhere, is conditioned by interreligious relations. Hence it is important for the Church to promote dialogue as a spiritual disposition, so that believers may learn to work together, for example in associations for justice and peace, in a spirit of trust and mutual help. Families must be educated in attentive listening, fraternity and respect without fear of the other.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20111119_africae-munus_en.html
Pervy Grin says
It’s very telling that Pope Francis is very popular among non-Catholics but not so much among Catholics.
umbra says
Just like modern Jesuits.
bobm says
well; there ya go…. if this as postulated .. counted etc. … is the last pope; I guess we might just come to the conclusion that we are on verge of antichrist , the beast … the third temple… anima sacrifice.. .. all the cloaking devices are failing folks… hang on … .. NO rather….CRY OUT……MARANATHA!.
Rita says
If I was very rude and very vulgar I would say something like ” Pope whores for islam and throws his flock to the hyenas…”, but I am not, so I will not. 😉
dumbledoresarmy says
Actually, in principle, it would be an very good idea if seminarians of *all* the major non-Islamic faiths were taught what Islam is.
But they need to be taught by people like Mr Spencer, Dr Mark Durie, Prof Hans Jansen and Bat Yeor; by Fr James Schall and Prof Martin Rhonheimer.
Or be taught from a curriculum *devised* by those people aforementioned; with key texts such as Durie’s “The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom” translated into the appropriate languages so the students can understand easily.
Here’s Fr Schall, telling it like it is:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/islam/it-s-time-to-take-the-islamic-state-seriously.html
Here’s a no-nonsense article by Rhonheimer (in German), stating that the model for the doings of Islamic State is “Mohammed himself”:
http://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/toeten-im-namen-allahs-1.18378020
Imagine if every Catholic seminarian worldwide, in the course of his training, when he did his ‘course module” on Islam, were required to read Spencer’s “Inside Islam: Questions for Catholics” and “Islam Unveiled”, and “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Quran”, together with in-depth material from Fr James Schall. And maybe a non-PC historic analysis of Islam such as the work of Fr J L Menezes. And testimony from ex-Muslims such as Sam Solomon and Daniel Shayesteh and Magdi Cristiano Allam, which will give insight into the types of pastoral care that are needed by those who have left Islam, to help them purge the malign influence of the death cult out of their systems.
Anybody else got some ideas as to what ought to be on a course for aspiring rabbis, priests, ministers, etc, whether in the First World or the Third World, so that they are fully equipped to dawa-proof their flocks and prepare to withstand the onslaught of the Jihad?
PS Study of classical Christian – and Jewish – concepts of Just War wouldn’t be a bad idea, either; especially for the African Christians who are right out there where the rubber hits the road.
James Foard says
Pope Francis has a job as a 911 operator.
Francis: Hello, this is the Pope, may I help you?
911 Caller: Yes, there is a man outside with a machete, and he is breaking into my house right now.
Francis: Please remain calm. Have you asked the man what his name is, and why he is breaking into your house?
911 Caller: I have no idea what his name is, but he is shouting Allahu Akbar and Death to all Infidels. Could you please send an officer over here immediately, he has just entered the living room downstairs.
Francis: Perhaps he is in the wrong house, it’s possible he’s lost his way. Sending a squad car over might inflame the situation and cause him to act in a violent way. Have you thought of offering him some coffee and something to eat?
911 Caller: He’s coming up the stairs right now. Oh my God, he said he’s going to cut the heads off of any Christians or Jews that he finds. Please, send someone over right now!
Francis: Now, now, perhaps if you tried to reason with him. This man might simply be asking for directions and wound up in the wrong neighborhood. Violence should never be answered with violence. We must turn the other cheek you know. (Christ was talking about personal insults when he gave us this lesson, it has nothing to do with a raging mob of 1.3 billion fanatics who want to set up a global Islamic state with our blood, JMF)
911 Caller: He’s coming down the hallway now; I’m in the bedroom and have nothing to defend myself with. Please send help now.
Francis: Not to worry, could you put him on the phone? I’d like to have a talk with him, we might be able to find some kind of common ground and work out a rational solution that would please everyone involved.
911 Caller: He’s in the bedroom, he’s coming for me, he raising his machete, Oh no! Oh no! Oh no! Nooo . . . .
Francis: Hello? Hello? Well, Jesus, Mary and Joseph! That’s the fourth one I’ve had hang up on me this week.
James Foard says
The second line should be “Francis: ‘911. What is your emergency?'” I thought of this after I posted it and couldn’t edit it afterwards. If you could change it for me Robert I would appreciate it – JMF
Darren says
LOL brilliant, this describes the present war on an enemy tactic called war on terror strategy to a T more or less.
CogitoErgoSum says
I couldn’t help but smile and shake my head when I read that the Pope said, “…..we must work together to outlaw all forms of discrimination, intolerance and sectarian fundamentalism.” Holy Father, once you realize that Islam does not mean “peace” but rather “submission” and that it is the very essence of intolerance and discrimination, you will understand that you have just set an impossible task for us …… that is, unless you are saying we should outlaw Islam. Hmmmm……….. Wait. What?
Gene says
Priests will be dropping the traditional black robe and white collar in favor of bullet proof vests and steel high neck collars.
Steffen Larsen says
In Denmark there is the suggestion that instead of bombs we should unload a planeful of Danish educators onto the unsuspecting heads of the Islamic State, who’ll never know what hit them.
ApolloSpeaks says
WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAM POPE FRANCIS IS NO SAINT FRANCIS
If Saint Francis of Assisi (Catholicism’s greatest and most popular Medieval saint) were Pope today instead of Pope Francis (who took his name from the Saint) would he have said that Islam was a “religion of peace and opposed to every form of violence” like the Pope said last January? Would a Pope Saint Francis have made such a patently false and absurd statement against 1400 years of brutal historical experience with Islamic conquest and colonization of Christian lands? If so then why didn’t the Saint oppose the Crusades against the “peace-loving” Islamic faith? Why didn’t he denounce Pope Innocent III who launched Christendom’s 5th bloody Crusade in 1217? When in 1219 Francis joined the Crusaders in Egypt as they were assaulting the walled city of Damietta why didn’t he try to stop them from attacking the “peace loving” Moslems they were wrongfully fighting?
And when the Crusaders and the Egyptian army of sultan Malik al-Kimal (the most powerful man in Islam and ruler of Jerusalem) agreed to a cease fire why did Francis risking death cross over to the Moslem camp with the intent of converting the sultan to Christianity? If Francis regarded Islam as a gentle, humane, non-violent “religion of peace,” and the Crusaders as the aggressors and bad guys in the conflict fighting an unjust war against a peace-loving faith, then why did he try to Christianize the sultan?
Click http://www.apollospeaks.com to continue reading.
Richard says
Is the Pope supposed to crush them with the Swiss Guard? He is seeing his flock killed and is perhaps speaking in a way that still fights SHARIA without prompting the murder of more of his flock. Love thy enemy and dialogue for conversion are his only weapons. Would not everyone be better off if Muslims converted to Christianity? How do you think this will happen? No doubt Pope Francis would be able to do better with a Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher but those are not the cards we have been dealt at the moment.
Coolio says
“Hello Barak!”
Mr. Putin and party.
“Who’s the bald chap?”
The ghost of Khomeini,
Memories of bin Laden.
“Good-bye!”
And now, bringing cash, a group of anonymous Gulf-
Arabian Oil-exporting dictators
American Meat packing glitterati.
Did they expect us to treat them with any respect?
They can read their koran and sharpen their
Smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for awhile.
Boom boom, bang bang, lie down you’re dead.
Safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
With their favorite toys
They’ll be good girls and boys
In the van Gogh Memorial Home for Islamicist
Wasters of life and limb.
Is everyone in?
Are you having a nice time?
Now the final solution can be applied.
Coolio says
Whoops, triple-clic, shoula been Ctrl-A…
Take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
And build them a home, a little place of their own.
The van Gogh Memorial
Home for Incurable Dhimmis and Sheiks.
And they can appear to themselves every day
On closed circuit T.V.
To make sure they’re still real.
It’s the only connection they feel.
“Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, Obama and Blair,
Pope Francis and friend, Joe Biden, and Clegg,
“Hello Barak!”
Mr. Putin and party.
“Who’s the bald chap?”
The ghost of Khomeini,
Memories of bin Laden.
“Good-bye!”
And now, bringing cash, a group of anonymous Gulf-
Arabian Oil-exporting dictators
American Meat packing glitterati.
Did they expect us to treat them with any respect?
They can read their koran and sharpen their
Smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for awhile.
Boom boom, bang bang, lie down you’re dead.
Safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
With their favorite toys
They’ll be good girls and boys
In the van Gogh Memorial Home for Islamicist
Wasters of life and limb.
Is everyone in?
Are you having a nice time?
Now the final solution can be applied.
Kasey says
While the five pillars of Islam still are based today on “conquest, submission,conversion,deportation and annihilation”, nothing will change except the scale of the brutality.
ECAW says
What else can you expect from someone who thinks Argentina has a claim to the Falkland Islands?
Michael Carpenter says
The Pope ought to read the Qur’an before he makes an irrational directive. Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God, was crucified to save mankind, and that Jesus rose from the dead. This is the very heart of Christianity. The God of Judaism and Christianity is not the same god as Allah, the god of Islam. Their characteristics are in complete opposition from one another.
Davi says
I don’t think Mr. Pope is ignorant about the event happening around the world. He is less bothered about the catholic believers. He and his supporters should be air dropped to Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt or Iraq, let them make peace accord with the Muslims there.
Luciano says
Christians walking into the Coliseum to have a dialogue about peaceful coexistence with the lions. What do you think….possible long shot!!!!!
Western Canadian says
If the lions were well fed, it might have been possible…… but muslims are never well fed, in their own estimation….
mortimer says
At the moment, church leaders have to pick up a knowledge of Islam on their own. Pope Francis is acknowledging the need for pastors to understand the intricacies of Muslim reactions to Christians. This is a big task. Islam is a very complex and contradictory subject, because of abrogation and taqiyya.
All seminarians and pastors should be reading books by Robert Spencer, Raymond Ibrahim, Dr. Andrew Bostom and Canon Mark Durie which are written from a deep theological understanding of Islam, of its political supremacism, of its philosophical determinism, of its misogyny, of its xenophobia and hatred of ‘the other’.
Rezali Mehil says
So are you people saying that there should be no dialogue with us muslims?
All you do here is highlight IS, Al-Q, Boko, Al-Shabab, Taliban and sunni.
But there are lots of muslims like me who want to live in peace, ..we are the majority..and we want to tell Pope Francis about the benefits of integrating into Islam. What greater opportunity for Christianity to be re-invented *again* for the road to peace.
It beggers belief that you would not be interested in this…this is your infallible pope and spiritual leader…please don’t insult his intelligence.
More Later…
Rezali
duh_swami says
But there are lots of muslims like me who want to live in peace
Certainly, but peace on who’s terms? Would you let the Pope dictate terms of peace to you? As long as Mahoundians believe all Christians are shirkers, and shirking is a major sin, and insult to Allah directly, there can be no agreements, just underlying, or out in the open hostility. Allah put a curse on Christians (5:14) that lasts till the last day. As far as anyone knows, Allah has not lifted that curse.
AnneM says
Well the REAL god of Islam is SATAN the devil.
Coolio says
Rezali, We kno that the majority of Moslems wish to live in peace. The problem is that peaceful Moslems are either nominal Moslems not following their war manual (the Koran), or liars. For Moslems to truely and truthfully live in peace, they must renounce allegience to the hate-filled Koran and find something else to believe in.
There’s every point in engaging in theological debate, but none whatsoever in ‘interfaith dialogue’, which is effectively used by proponents of Islam as soft jihad to advance the islamicist cause of domination as soon as critical mass of respect and believers is achieved.
voegelinian says
“Rezali, We kno that the majority of Moslems wish to live in peace. ”
Speak for yourself, Coolio.
Steffen Larsen says
Lolz! There goes our Rezali again: peace is when everyone does as Islam orders. It beggars belief that our Rezali cannot see there’s a fallacy in this …or more like she does, she’s a totalitarian, she’s submitted to fascism in all its aspects.
AnneM says
“But there are lots of muslims like me who want to live in peace, ..we are the majority..and we want to tell Pope Francis about the benefits of integrating into Islam. What greater opportunity for Christianity to be re-invented *again* for the road to peace.”
Try explaining that to the many Middle Eastern Christians whose communities which go back to the days of the disciples of Jesus, have been driven out or killed in places such as Iraq. Or the Israelis Jews who have to put up with the nonsense that comes from the Muslims in the Gaza or West Bank areas.
eib says
Never give a hollow greeting of peace. ST. BENEDICT.
AnneM says
“It beggers belief that you would not be interested in this…this is your infallible pope and spiritual leader…please don’t insult his intelligence.”
PLEASE………those of us Catholics, including I, have started to see that this Pope we have is starting to become a growing embaressment. Now that is an insult to my intelligence.
Megakovalan says
It’s not possible to have interfaith dialogue with Islam, because Islam consider Christians are committers of Shirk, so there won’t be any dialogue…The interfaith means (for Muslims) is to extend an invitation for non-Muslims to convert to the savage ideology of Islam. It’s simply an expansion strategy for Muslims.
The majority muslims are supporting Shari’a law, Quranic way of life, and expressing a loyalty to Islam.
Take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpy7R2MM6
Also I don’t believe the so called we are peace loving majority argument from muslims as I don’t believe a German claiming nice but says he follow -Mein Kampf-
Megakovalan says
Sorry the link is here (I mistakenly cut off a letter in the link)
CogitoErgoSum says
Rezali, how about this? No, I am not interested in any dialog with you Muslims. There can be no dialogue with a serpent unless one is willing to be bitten and infected by its poison. You either need to slink back to your pit and wallow in your own slime or come out of the darkness into the light of the truth ….. and re-invent yourself …….. that is, be born again. Your fake prophet, fake piousness, fake humility, fake facade of “religion of peace,” all your subtle hissings so filled with lies have already sickened me to the point of disgust and contempt. There is only one way to end dialog with the serpent without stooping to its level, and that is to crush the serpent’s head into the dirt in which it slithers. My advice to you is this: re-invent yourself, Rezali. Take your opportunity to be born again ….. before it is too late. Until your ears have been opened, dialog with you is useless.
So watch this and see if you can understand what I am trying to say to you:
Champ says
Ridiculous “rezali mehil” wrote:
But there are lots of muslims like me who want to live in peace, ..we are the majority
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What a crock! “rezali” is nothing but a trouble-maker here on Jihad Watch, as she’s always attacking other posters and putting them down–and in the most *vile* fashion, too. And she promotes evil islam, as well. She wants to “live in peace”, indeed. What a shameless liar!
Wow for “rezali” to claim that she wants to “live in peace” is such an obvious lie that it’s almost funny …it’s like catching one of your kids in a lie and they sound sooo convincing, but you KNOW that they’re lying because you saw them do it–and yet they lie anyway, lol! ..that’s “rezali” 😀
Jeez, “rezali’s” entire comment is completely nauseating …
Champ says
…and if “rezali” respresents the *majority*, then God help us! LOL! 😀
duh_swami says
Beyond reason…’constructive dialogue with Muslims’… Conversations with the Devil never work out very well. Knowledge runs down hill from the supreme to the not so supreme. The battle between opposing religious supremacist bigots, cannot be won by words alone. That’s why Allah invented swords, to drive home the point. The purpose of the Islamic magical sword is to cut away he unwanted (kufr), until all worship Allah.
How can anyone ‘reason’ with that?
AnneM says
This Catholic says that Islam is from SATAN the devil and that it is its REAL god.
duh_swami says
If Allah is not Satan, he does a mighty fine imitation…
Bonnie Loranger says
I am going to write to the pope. I am fed up with all this BS and more so because I have been raised as a catholic.
Megakovalan says
This pope is all about media hype, and he removed US Cardinal Raymond Burke, because he criticized Pope, “Insisting that the pope had “clearly affirmed the church’s moral teaching, in accord with her unbroken tradition,” Burke blamed perceptions to the contrary on “false praise” of Pope Francis by “persons whose hearts are hardened against the truth.”
Now, the pope is trying to modernize the church, while he promote the so called “interfaith” with Islam, it’s not only weakens the church but also for the muslims it’s an opportunity to expand their savage ideology called Islam and denounce the “weaklings” practice the gravest sin of Shirk.
No body listening to the “Strong horse weak horse” analogy of Bin Laden, the pope is keen on raising his rates with the mainstream media and slowly becoming a narcissist with all his appeasing policies . While he is trying desperately to be a darling in front of the media, he is weakening the Judeo-Christian tradition of the West and giving a red-carpet welcome to Islam.
He has not learned the lesson that though Christianity can survive persecution, it cannot survive Islam because of the false christianity embedded with the Islam.
I had lot of hopes when Pope Francis was elected, sadly it turns out he is a dhimmi, appeasing, and a leftie. He is giving more acceptance to Islam and whitewashing it.
AnneM says
It is in attacks that the Christian faith does survive and grow, including attacks that come from Islam.
Megakovalan says
Not true, if you look at the history.
Persecution strengthened Christianity yes, but Islam is too vile and it present itself as a fellow Abrahamic faith to Christians and profess their love for Jesus, it’s already innoculated with a false christianity so the persecution is coupled with deception. That’s how the major Christian centers were lost and many places where Christianity thrived are now completely Muslim!
AnneM says
This will surprise you and make your day:
This article also makes referencrs to Philip Jenkins who wrote a lot of books on the Christian faith.
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20141107/NEWS/141109676
Mandy Lee says
Constructive dialogue? That is five minutes before they torture the priests and then behead them!
kwjordan1 says
After reading this article, I am now convinced that the Pope is indeed nuts.
Sam D says
I would encourage everyone to write letters to pope Francis. He oubviously has misconceptions about Islam and instead of talking trash about him it would be wise to inform him of what he needs to know. It’s Probably a pretty big Job to be Pope and he is certainly uner lots of pressure and oubviously, he doesn’t know everything.
saoirse says
LOL rest assured he knows all about islam and many out here wonder IF he is the antipope spoken of in prophecy.
TH says
There would need to be thousands of letters for them to have an effect as the Pope receives thousands of letters each day. They are filtered by staff. However, if thousands were received in each Nunciature (Vatican Embassy) in each country notice would be taken of the fact and it is not that the Church is lacking in people who are perfectly aware of the true nature of Islam, but his Pope is totally clueless on the matter.
Here is a link from the influential Catholic magazine called Crisis with an article by William Kirkpatrick on what Islam truly is. There are several other article in the same publication by him and also by a Jesuit scholar Fr. James Schall.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/myth-islams-diversity
Lots more needs to be done to educate this Pope and many bishops on the matter.
If anyone wants to write to the Pope he or she can send the letter to the Apostolic Nunciature in their capital city. The address can be found by a Google searrch.
Roy says
Really Sam D? You believe the pope hasn’t heard about any of these horrors Pam has laid out for us? We just need to be “educated” as to the proper approach to this great religion of peace and love. We get this nonsense every day from our Muslim leaning president and most of the non-fox media. This willful blindness boggles the mind.
BIGFOOT says
what he needs to know?
What makes you think he does not know? Can you not see its a wolf telling the sheep to learn how to coexists with wolves?
dvg93 says
“Many cardinals, many bishops, and many priests are following the road to perdition.” (from the second heavenly message of the reported apparitions of Garabandal, 1965)
Rod L. says
“…a more structured training in the seminary… a constructive dialogue with Muslims… a peaceful coexistence with them,” he said.
This ”p. c.” pope speaks nonsense that is geared for the un-informed, nominal catholic pew setter who has no clue.
Terry says
MR. SPENCER, …And just what would you tell the Pope as to how wrong his conclusions are? I for one would like to read more of your problem solving and actions for this problem. Thank you
Coolio says
Robert Spencer (along with other leading anti-islamicists) is one of civilisation’s most errudite and forceful opponents of Islam. He is exposing this mafia death cult for what it is, and makes himself available for lectures, debates and consultancy.
I think his answers to the problem of Islam are clear.
R. Lewis says
…a more structured training … a constructive dialogue …… necessary to live a peaceful coexistence with them” he said.
…so, the catholic church finally has its Obama?
Russell says
As a young man discerning a vocation to the priesthood and considering entering seminary, I find this kind of statement really troubling, because I suspect it will result in more clergy who are clueless on Islam and what its primary sources (and its diabolical prophet) actually command.
Islam should definitely be on the seminary curriculum, but not the ‘let’s-all-get-along’ crap that typifies the professional ecumenists of the Catholic Church of the past half century. Rather than blathering on endlessly about ‘dialogue’, the seminaries need a curriculum which seriously and systematically exposes the problems – intellectual, moral and social – with the Islamic system, showing how the authentic reading of the Qur’an is not, in any way whatsoever ‘opposed to every form of violence’ (as this Pope unfortunately said in Evangelii Gaudium # 253 – the most idiotic thing said by anyone about anything, ever). On the contrary, the true Islam has expressed itself rather ably in 1400 years of misery and bloodshed.
Anthony Connor says
Spot on, Russell. You sound like the sort of seminarian that our Church desperately needs. God bless you and your vocation.
BIGFOOT says
Russell, if you love the Lord, DO NOT JOIN “PRIESTHOOD”! You can serve him, as a priest, without being a formal priest. After all, are we not supposed to be priests?
If you think am kidding, go buy “Vatican II Documents” and read them in the light of Logic, the Bible. They destroyed the Church at Vatican II. And all the priests are clueless.
Stanton Cordray says
To be fair to him, the Pope clearly doesn’t think that he can change people like Boko Haram with a little Christian outreach. He is promoting a Christian standard which he regards as better than Boko Haram’s.
He is also presumably making the mistake that the pretty much irrelevant majority of Muslims worldwide who are not members of Boko Haram or any similar movements, should be taken as representative of Islam, while the fact that Islam continually manifests itself in Boko Harams, and Talibans, and Al-Qaedas, and ISIS’s, and weekly reports of murders, and shoe bombers, and American soldiers shooting up their colleagues, is supposed to be beside the point.
I imagine the Pope is also being self-conscious about not repeating his predecessor’s mistake of stating truths about Islam and getting nuns shot in the back for it. Which sounds eerily like Pius XII keeping his mouth shut about Hitler out of fear that Catholics would wind up in the position of Jews in occupied Europe if he didn’t.
Darren says
You may be right, being who he is if he says the wrong thing the savages could and most likely would take it out on innocent infidels. They do it constantly. The problem is we need to galvanize the infidels of the world and form a world wide resistance. WW3 is upon us and the evil that created the Nazi empire is back in full force. It reminds me of Sauron in the Lord of the Rings. Maybe Sauron was a metaphor for the great evil in humanity that keeps coming back like it’s being reincarnated, or maybe I’m reading too much into it. Regardless appeasment only invites further victimization. Women who are in abusive relationships make this mistake a lot, thinking if they just talk to the abuser and reason with him he will stop the abuse. Often times this encourages more abuse. The western world is suffering battered wife syndrome when it comes to islam.
Arizona says
WHY don’t all you good christians TRY READING YOUR BIBLE,then “maybe” you’ll understand WHO your beloved pope really is….THE FALSE PROPHET,the LORD talks about him,and what he’ll do to the world when he hooksup with the BEAST…….and SATAN…………
CogitoErgoSum says
Arizona, now that you’ve told us about the Pope, what are your conclusions about Muhammad?
Peter Castle says
Has the Pope forgotten that Islam from its inception has waged war against both the Church and the West? Islamists want to kill and conquer us.
See “Terror Strikes America – Again!” at http://t.co/nurkdy0GI6.
Mark says
Maybe. Just maybe. The catholic church should get their pompous noses out of Africa. It is these wanna be do-gooders that “spread’ the gospel (unwanted) in the African tribes’ communities.
Maybe Islam doesn’t want catholic priest diddling the young’uns and extorting resources to fill the bowels of the Vatican. Or it could be they don’t care for the feminine style of todays Christian faith.
Or it could be just a mass redistribution of American tax monies. Last year the catholic church gobbled up over 200 MILLION tax dollars for their “charities”. Maybe the Moslems are getting a little taste of the Vatican’s ill gotten gains.
Eirene Angi Bennett says
Perhaps another Synod should be convened immediately to deal with
two pressing matters concerning the Roman Catholic Church. First –
Exploring the Truth about Islam and Second – Practical Ways to
Deal with Sexual Immorality (instruction for seminarians) with a
specific emphasis on Adultery, Fornication and Sodomy. It is to
be hoped that certain Cardinals who showed their true colours
at the last Synod will not be asked to compile the Agenda! God
help all seminarians!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
In the name of God, he’s already made it painfully clear that he won’t back his flock, does he now need to implement an inculcation based on the fictive reality of that great steed the Unicorn, the moderate Moslem? The moderate Islam? At least leaving the predated to their own devices made political sense, he is now trying for intellectual consistency by instituting an historical fiction, a fantasy.
It would be best if Francis just goes ahead and retires; he has no cause to actively do us harm.
Werther says
I love the way that some Christians, Francis included, purport to provide a definitive interpretation of the Koran for us. Muslims themselves can’t agree on what Islam stipulates and are prepared to kill one another in the name of Allah, yet some Christians think they can speak authoritatively about another religion. How absurd does it get? What’s wrong with the Islam of the Jihadists, anyway? Who’s to say that they’re perverting Islam? Lacking any central Islamic authority, certainly no other Muslims!
TIARD Martine says
I agree with Sam D. : we have to write to the Pope for the dialog with islam is useless ; he should have lived with muslims before telling us to speak with them. They are too uncultured, too warriors, too untolerant, to LIVE WITH someone else.
Uncle Vladdi says
Judeo-Christianity is based on the Golden Rule of Law (most simply put as Do Not Attack First) and also therefore based philosophically on the similar ideal that, between people, all is forbidden unless and until specifically allowed – i.e: I’m not allowed to do anything either TO, or FOR, you, without getting your express consent, first.
From agreeing to this Rule, we gain trust, progress, and Civilization.
Islam is based on the exact opposite – on what I call the brazen rule of chaos (or, of crime), where they slanderously hold it’s their holy right and duty to always attack the innocent others first, (before they can be ‘inevitably’ attacked them selves) and where all is allowed unless and until it’s very specifically forbidden.
From this, they inflict distrust, stagnation, and barbarism.
Our philosophy and religion are lawful, theirs criminal.
CAPISCE?
The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims.
So, if and when you consider islam to be a religion, you must agree with it’s main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?
Islam was specifically designed to violently conquer and replace all ‘other’ religions on earth.
So, as for this insane new “Chrislam” treason:
HEY EVERYBODY! Let’s compare Jesus and Moe, the Founders of their respective creeds!!
(Here’s my Top Ten, just off the top of my head!):
1. How many babies did Jesus rape?
2. How many slaves did Jesus take (and rape)?
3. How many innocent merchants did Jesus torture, to get their treasure to pay his bandit armies?
4. How many bandit armies did Jesus lead, and how many countries did they invade & enslave?
5. How many poisoned swords named “Death!” did Jesus own and use to behead enemies?
6. How many times did Jesus lie, say “God is the greatest deceiver!” and rob and extort people?
7. How many people did Jesus burn out of their homes, while they were still asleep in them?
8. How many people (who had only verbally contested his claims) did Jesus put out “hits” on?
9. How many pregnant women did Jesus have run through with swords for doubting him?
…and of course:
10. How many people did Moe heal (or resurrect)?
😉
Maynard Miller says
Daily I read stories about how Muslims are butchering each other and everyone who doesn’t agree with him. The American left (bleeding heart libeals) think that this is an exception but what I find from my reading is that a good Muslin is the one who obeys the Koran and kills, rapes etc while the bad one lives in peace with his neighbor (until he can gain the upperhand). Whereas, Christians are told to love thy neighbor as thyself and where possible to live in peace with all men. If we don’t wake up soon we’ll ll have our heads in a basket, this includes the Pope.
Michael Sultana says
This lefty Pope can get stuffed. he does not represent Christians anymore just a weak Catholic Church that stands for nothing anymore other than pedophiles and it’s own commercial interests. Why I left the Church.
Gloria says
Something about Islam and the Holy Land and Islamic teachings in the Koran to be aware of, all in http://www.religiousdifferences.org