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Pope says it is wrong to equate Islam with violence

Nov 30, 2014 6:42 pm By Robert Spencer

Pope Francis visits Blue Mosque in IstanbulThe key question here is, Who is responsible for equating Islam with violence? Islamic jihadists, or non-Muslim “Islamophobes”? Islamic supremacist groups in the West, backed by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), constantly pretend that the latter are responsible, when the whole world knows it’s the former.

“Pope says it is wrong to equate Islam with violence,” by Philip Pullella, Reuters, November 30, 2014:

Pope Francis said on Sunday that equating Islam with violence was wrong and called on Muslim leaders to issue a global condemnation of terrorism to help dispel the stereotype.

There are plenty of Muslim condemnations of terrorism now. What we do not see is Muslim action against terrorism, or Muslims teaching against the view of Islam espoused by the terrorists.

Francis, the leader of 1.2 billion Roman Catholics, told reporters aboard his plane returning from a visit to Turkey that he understood why Muslims were offended by many in the West who automatically equated their religion with terrorism.

Again, who is responsible for this equation? Non-Muslims who keep up with the jihad news, or the Muslims who make that news?

Francis’ predecessor, Benedict XVI, caused storms of protest throughout the Islamic world in 2006, when he made a speech that suggested to many Muslims that he believed Islam espoused violence.

Benedict said he had been misunderstood and apologized. But this year, the image of a violent religion has once more been promoted by Islamic State, who have seized swathes of Syria and Iraq, slaughtering or driving out Shi’ite Muslims, Christians and others who do not share their radical brand of Sunni Islam.

The Argentine pope, who has been trying to foster cooperation with moderate Islam in order to work for peace and protect Christians in the Middle East, said it was wrong for anyone to react to terrorism by being “enraged” against Islam.

Indeed. Becoming “enraged” is pointless. Become aware, and taking action to defend freedom and human rights — that is what is needed.

“You just can’t say that, just as you can’t say that all Christians are fundamentalists. We have our share of them (fundamentalists). All religions have these little groups,” he said.

Do they really? Where, then, are the Christians screaming “Jesus is Lord” as they slit the throats of non-Christians? Where are the Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Buddhist counterparts to those who committed the 20,000+ jihad terror attacks worldwide since 9/11?

And who is saying that all Muslims are fundamentalists or terrorists? This is just a straw man.

“They (Muslims) say: ‘No, we are not this, the Koran is a book of peace, it is a prophetic book of peace’.”

The Qur’an has a specific content. It can be read. Mainstream Islamic commentaries on it can also be read. None of this supports the idea that the Qur’an is a book of peace. Has the Pope read it?

Francis said he had made the suggestion of a global condemnation of terrorism by Islamic leaders in talks on Friday with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan.

“I told the president that it would be beautiful if all Islamic leaders, whether they are political, religious or academic leaders, would speak out clearly and condemn this because this would help the majority of Muslim people,” he said.

Francis several times condemned Islamic State’s insurgents during his three-day trip. On the plane, he said some Christians had been forced to abandon everything: “They are driving us out of the Middle East.”

In an address at a Mass on Sunday, he said Islamic State were committing a “profoundly grave sin against God” and called for inter-religious dialogue and action against poverty to help end the conflicts in the region.

He added that ending poverty was crucial, partly because it gave rise to “the recruitment of terrorists”. Francis has in the past said that, while it is lawful for the international community to use force to stop an “unjust aggressor”, lasting solutions must be found that tackle the root causes of violence.

Study after study has shown that poverty doesn’t cause terrorism, and that jihadis are generally wealthier and better educated than their peers. CNS News noted in September 2013 that “according to a Rand Corporation report on counterterrorism, prepared for the Office of the Secretary of Defense in 2009, ‘Terrorists are not particularly impoverished, uneducated, or afflicted by mental disease. Demographically, their most important characteristic is normalcy (within their environment). Terrorist leaders actually tend to come from relatively privileged backgrounds.’ One of the authors of the RAND report, Darcy Noricks, also found that according to a number of academic studies, ‘Terrorists turn out to be more rather than less educated than the general population.’”

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Comments

  1. Ayatrollah says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    Pope Al-Dhimmi the first.

    • Zebo says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 7:42 pm

      Ka-Fur-anziskus

      • mortimer says

        Nov 30, 2014 at 7:58 pm

        ISIS will condemn the pope for his sermon.

        • pumbar says

          Nov 30, 2014 at 10:41 pm

          They shouldn’t be the only ones.

  2. Daphne Donges says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    So Islam is not equated with violence, then why is it that 91% of honour killings are in Islam in countries and by Muslims, Why is it that the quran advocates violence?
    Quran in chapter 9 says,

    “Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger to those of the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.[1]

    So travel freely (O Mushrikun) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.[2]

    And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah — the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (to Muhammad) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.[3]

    Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious — see V.2:2).[4]

    Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat(charity), then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[5]
    And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.[6]”
    —Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 9:1-6

    “O you who believe (in Allah’s Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad)! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure). So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. [28]

  3. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    “Violence is the heart of Islam.”
    Ayatollah Yazdi, Iran

  4. Jay Boo says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    It is time that someone tell the Argentine pope
    “¡Basta Ya!” meaning, “Enough is Enough!”

  5. Jack says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    If I could ask the Pope, when you asked for Bartholomew’s help in stopping violence against Christians in the ME and putting an end to Christians pushed out of their homes because they are Christian; just what religion did you think the perpetrators believed in and why would you ask for help from an Islamic leader to halt this scourge? I think Pope Francis you are beginning to take on elements of Islam to succeed in this mission. This is a very quick transformation. You must know that very few people believe what you are saying for the very reason I just gave you.

    • Kakodaemon says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 1:25 am

      You realize that Bartholomew is the leader of the Greek Orthodox (Christian) Church, not a muslim leader?

      • Jack Holan says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 8:23 am

        Thank for the correction I am still cleaning egg off my face. Regardless, this is even more ludicrous then my error. The Greek Orthodox have the same issue as the Pope. He may not lack the desire too take action but has no ability to change the situation on the ground

  6. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    “Okay, they have three choices, either they became a Muslim, or they have to pay the jizya, or to be killed.”
    The Pope has a learning curve to climb.
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/4402-islam-the-learning-curve

  7. Wellington says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    Whatever’s wrong with the world and whatever imperils the West, it’s nothing this Pope will ever fix. He is part of the problem and in no way part of any long-term solution that will preserve liberty and equality under the law. Were I a Roman Catholic, this present Pope would be breaking my heart.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 7:55 pm

      Pope Francis is unacquainted with Islam’s source texts.

      • Bill says

        Nov 30, 2014 at 8:06 pm

        It’s deeper than that-willful ignorance.

      • umbra says

        Nov 30, 2014 at 9:08 pm

        The only source he is really acquainted with are useless modern jesuit sources.

    • Phil says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 am

      I am….and it is.

  8. Guest says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    They are wearing pretty much the same outfit. Does this tell us something?

    • Wellington says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      “Does this tell us something?”

      Nope, not much at all, since ideas are far more important than anything sartorial and the Roman Catholic theological blueprint is not a recipe on this earth for the destruction of freedom and equality unnder the law, while the Islamic theological blueprint most definitely is. Besides, the previous Pope wore the same “get-up” and he had a far better understanding of what Islam is all about. Ideas matter far more than clothes. Far more.

  9. Mark says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:16 pm

  10. Myxlplik says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Below is a very descriptive account of Mohammeds behavior, which includes genocide, murder, ethnic cleansing, personally engaging in sex slavery, and burglary. We wonder where and how Muslims get the idea Islam is violent? Try observing the behavior of their Prophet, it’s really quite simple.

    It’s not bad for us to talk about this Mr. Pope, in fact its our best defence against it happening to us, even better than war actually, which is the other alternative, because Islam is what it is, the only variable is how we respond.

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/knowledge-is-power/in-islams-own-writings-muhammads-massacres-and-sex-slaves/523705024374034

  11. duh_swami says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    ‘God bless Allah’, so says the Pope…

    Did he really say that? No but he might as well have said shahada and shouted Allahu Akbar… Rome has fallen…This guy and reality are miles apart.

  12. ruth says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    I guess if the pope didn’t think he is THE ROCK Christ built his church on of Matthew 15-16, 17, 18 he would know that Islam is the gates of hell that will not prevail against that Rock..That Rock is Jesus and he built his church on the revealed knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God….Anti christ Islam was built on the lie that Jesus is not Son of God.. The pope doesn’t seem to understand scripture..
    I have heard in time past that he pope would unite with anti christ.. I never believed it until now…This pope is uniting with satan’s anti christ Islam..He must be brain dead if he knows how muslims are killing Christians all over the world and raping children and even beheading children… and the pope thinks Islam is not violent.. ISLAM WAS FOUNDED ON THE DEATH AND PERSECUTION OF THOSE WHO WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT..

    • somehistory says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:01 pm

      Would that the pope had your knowledge of God’s Word.

    • Bill says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:08 pm

      Insightful post Bro. The Scriptures clearly teach that Islam is the body (or assembly) of antichrist. Please consider:

      1. 1 John Chapter 2: The antichrist is identified as “he who denies the Son.” Islam at the creedal, foundational level is defined by its denial of the Son. The Koran and all Islamic texts are replete with denials of the Son and of the Trinity. The al Aqsa Mosque, for example, is filled with plaques that deny the Son, the Cross and the Trinity. Islam is a Unitarian heresy like the Arian heresy.

      2. Psalm 2 demonstrates the nations are aligned against the Son who is enthroned on Mount Zion.

      3. Daniel 9:26 says that “the people (Hebrew “am” meaning ethnic group or kindred, not empire or nation) of the prince who is to come will destroy the Temple.” Josephus identified those who destroyed the Second Temple in 70 AD as the Tenth Legion “Frentensus.” The Tenth Legion was comprised of Turks, Arabs and Syrians. These are the “people” of the antichrist.

      4. The antichrist is referred to as “The Assyrian” (Micah 5), “The King of Babylon” (Isaiah 14), “The King of Tyre” (Ezekiel 28) and “the “terrible ruler” of Egypt (Isaiah 19).

      5. Gideon is a type of the Messiah (see Isaiah 9, Isaiah 10, Psalm 83). When Gideon killed the princes of Midian (i.e. Arabia) Gideon took their CRESCENT ornaments off their camels.

      6. In Revelation 20 the Saints are killed during the Tribulation by BEHEADING.

      7. In Daniel 11 the antimessiah “has no regard for the desire of women.” This does not mean he is gay. It means he has “no regard for what women want” (i.e. respect and equality). Islam degrades women.

      8. The OT is filled with texts of YHWH, The Messiah and/or the Jews fighting the enemies of God and Israel at the end of the age. All of the fighting is against the following: Edom, Mt. Seir, Gaza, Philistia, Lebanon, Babylon, Elam, Midian, Teman, Dedan, Ethopia, Libya, Egypt, Assyria, Moab, Damascus, “Yavan” (not “Greece” but the western shores of Turkey), Mesech, Tubal…not one mention of fighting against European nations. (See Micah 5, Numbers 23, Pslam 83, Isaiah 63, Ezekiel 35-39, Zechariah 9, Isaiah 19, Isaiah 17, Obadiah, Isaiah 9-11 to name a few).

      9. In Revelation, as Jesus is addressing Pergamum, He states they live where “Satan’s throne” is. Pergamum is in Turkey.

      10. In Matthew 24:15 Jesus warns those “in Judea” to “flee to the mountains” when they see “the abomination of desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel.” Judea is “The West Bank.” Currently there are 500,000 Jewish “settlers” living there. They will be slaughtered by Palestinians once the horrible event happens. As Matthew writes: “Let the reader understand.” Someone needs to warn them. Do you believe they are going to be slaughtered by Europeans in The West Bank?

      11. The types of the antichrist include only Middle East characters (e.g. Goliath, “The Assyrian,” Antiochus Epiphanies, Pharaoh, Nimrod, etc).

      12. At the foundational, textual level, Islam hates and is antagonistic against Christians and Jews.

      13. Isn’t it clear by now that the dispute over Jerusalem (Zechariah 14, et al) and THE LAND is at the heart of Islam?

  13. Joseph says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Islam is the religion of Antichrist. And it is time we begin to say this aloud in the public square. The evidence is not at all wanting and the persecution of the Saints continues unabated.

    Any person of good will who has read the Judeo-Christian scriptures (in particular, the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel, John 1 and 2, and Revelation) knows that Islam is of Antichrist.

    Persons of good will see this and act accordingly. Persons of ill-will (who willfully “believe the lie” of Satan) do not see this and claim publicly that “Islam is a religion of peace” (either for reasons of ‘taqiyya’ or willful blindness).

    So which are you? A person of good will, who sees the [evident] truth that Islam is of Antichrist? Or a person of ill-will, who [deceitfully] claims that Islam is a “religion of peace”? There can be no middle ground. You are either one or the other.

    “As for me and my household, we shall worship the Lord” [the God of Israel].

    The time is here to decide and to declare which side we are on. The side of the saints, who worship the true God [of Israel] or the side of Antichrist, who worship Allah [another name for Satan himself].

    • Bill says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:10 pm

      You are correct. Islam is the body of antichrist.

      The Scriptures clearly teach that Islam is the body (or assembly) of antichrist. Please consider:

      1. 1 John Chapter 2: The antichrist is identified as “he who denies the Son.” Islam at the creedal, foundational level is defined by its denial of the Son. The Koran and all Islamic texts are replete with denials of the Son and of the Trinity. The al Aqsa Mosque, for example, is filled with plaques that deny the Son, the Cross and the Trinity. Islam is a Unitarian heresy like the Arian heresy.

      2. Psalm 2 demonstrates the nations are aligned against the Son who is enthroned on Mount Zion.

      3. Daniel 9:26 says that “the people (Hebrew “am” meaning ethnic group or kindred, not empire or nation) of the prince who is to come will destroy the Temple.” Josephus identified those who destroyed the Second Temple in 70 AD as the Tenth Legion “Frentensus.” The Tenth Legion was comprised of Turks, Arabs and Syrians. These are the “people” of the antichrist.

      4. The antichrist is referred to as “The Assyrian” (Micah 5), “The King of Babylon” (Isaiah 14), “The King of Tyre” (Ezekiel 28) and “the “terrible ruler” of Egypt (Isaiah 19).

      5. Gideon is a type of the Messiah (see Isaiah 9, Isaiah 10, Psalm 83). When Gideon killed the princes of Midian (i.e. Arabia) Gideon took their CRESCENT ornaments off their camels.

      6. In Revelation 20 the Saints are killed during the Tribulation by BEHEADING.

      7. In Daniel 11 the antimessiah “has no regard for the desire of women.” This does not mean he is gay. It means he has “no regard for what women want” (i.e. respect and equality). Islam degrades women.

      8. The OT is filled with texts of YHWH, The Messiah and/or the Jews fighting the enemies of God and Israel at the end of the age. All of the fighting is against the following: Edom, Mt. Seir, Gaza, Philistia, Lebanon, Babylon, Elam, Midian, Teman, Dedan, Ethopia, Libya, Egypt, Assyria, Moab, Damascus, “Yavan” (not “Greece” but the western shores of Turkey), Mesech, Tubal…not one mention of fighting against European nations. (See Micah 5, Numbers 23, Pslam 83, Isaiah 63, Ezekiel 35-39, Zechariah 9, Isaiah 19, Isaiah 17, Obadiah, Isaiah 9-11 to name a few).

      9. In Revelation, as Jesus is addressing Pergamum, He states they live where “Satan’s throne” is. Pergamum is in Turkey.

      10. In Matthew 24:15 Jesus warns those “in Judea” to “flee to the mountains” when they see “the abomination of desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel.” Judea is “The West Bank.” Currently there are 500,000 Jewish “settlers” living there. They will be slaughtered by Palestinians once the horrible event happens. As Matthew writes: “Let the reader understand.” Someone needs to warn them. Do you believe they are going to be slaughtered by Europeans in The West Bank?

      11. The types of the antichrist include only Middle East characters (e.g. Goliath, “The Assyrian,” Antiochus Epiphanies, Pharaoh, Nimrod, etc).

      12. At the foundational, textual level, Islam hates and is antagonistic against Christians and Jews.

      13. Isn’t it clear by now that the dispute over Jerusalem (Zechariah 14, et al) and THE LAND is at the heart of Islam?

      • duh_swami says

        Nov 30, 2014 at 8:29 pm

        Why do we need reams of scripture to confirm that Islam is evil?

        • pumbar says

          Nov 30, 2014 at 10:47 pm

          Especially when they’ve been pasted again only a few posts up from this one.

        • Bill says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 7:11 am

          A secularist or an atheist like Bill Maher, for example, can determine that Islam is evil. My assertion is to alert believing Christians that Islam is the religion of the antichrist. Christians who believe otherwise are being duped. Christians, once they understand this, will become motivated to act against this evil.

        • Joseph says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 9:38 am

          Any secular idiot can see that Islam is evil. The point (and why the scripture quotations are very helpful) is that Islam is not just “evil” but it is the body of Antichrist, as Bill shows clearly. And there is an important difference there. If you can’t see that, that’s your problem, not Bill’s. Back off.

      • Joseph says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 9:34 am

        Thank you for the very well-informed comment. Ignore the two idiots who questioned your comment; they are probably just secular counter-jihad types who are not spiritual and therefore cannot comprehend what you’re saying. Your reply to them was spot on, btw. Any secular idiot can see that Islam is evil. The point (and why the scripture quotations are very helpful) is that Islam is not just “evil” but it is the body of Antichrist, as you show clearly.

        • Bill says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm

          Thanks Brother! It’s sad that the church doesn’t get it. The secularists, of course, are completely in the dark. But at least a Christ hating liberal like Maher understands the evil inherent in Islam. A large portion of the professing church doesn’t even get that.

        • gravenimage says

          Dec 4, 2014 at 9:48 pm

          Any secular idiot can see that Islam is evil.
          ………………………………

          Actually, all too few secular or religious Westerners really understand that Islam is evil. Certainly, this pope does not—or if he does, he is not admitting it out loud.

          And, with respect, it might not be the best idea to refer to your allies against this evil as “idiots”.

  14. jewdog says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Methinks the Pope doth protest too much. If Islam were really a peaceful religion, that fact would not require constant reiteration because it would be implicitly understood.

    • umbra says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      True. That which is truly peaceful is self evident.

    • gerard says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 10:16 pm

      Absolutely right!
      we don’t hear every day “The Amish are peaceful! The Amish are peaceful! The Amish…”

  15. Denise Morris says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Not all Muslims believe in violence and some versions of Sharia law. Turkish people adore Atta Turk, who brought them democracy. Muslims too suffer because of extremism. They too are being slaughtered, so I do do understand what the Pope is saying. Not all Muslims agree with extremism.

    • mortimer says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      Only 65%

    • Wellington says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:37 pm

      Yes, I agree that not all Muslims are extremists but their religion calls for extremism in sundry ways that no other major faith does (e.g., death for apostasy). Similarly, not all Communist Party members during the Cold War in one Eastern Bloc nation after another were extremists but Marxism was quite extreme, whether it be with its theory of class struggle (which called for the violent elimination of the upper and middle classes), with its theory of alienation (which maintained that the lower classes were so alienated by the upper classes that they wanted nothing at all from them——-oh yes they did, they wanted to join them and not get rid of them), or with its extreme (and silly) theory that the only reason why anything had value was because of the labor put into it, thus not even taking into account such other factors as intrinsic worth and advertising costs). Ditto for Nazism, where many card-carrying Nazis were not in their day-to-day life extreme, even though Nazism put forth many extreme ideas (e.g., the worthlessness of certain ethnic groups and the idea of a master race).

      So, you see, what matters ultimately is the ideology and not every last one of that ideology’s followers. Really, are you only ready to condemn the Islamic world if virtually every last Muslim is extreme, that is to say fully devout and willing to implement all the many rotten ideas that can be found in Islam? And besides, as mortimer has already indicated, a hell of a lot of Muslims are indeed extreme. Time for Western leaders like the Pope, the British Prime Minister and the American President to acknowledge that with Islam we have the concept of a master faith like we had the concept of a master race and a master economic/philosophical/ political theory. Totalitarian ideologies and their followers should never be exculpated, even though some of such followers are themselves rather lazy or uninformed.

    • duh_swami says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      All Mahoundians agree with Quran which means they agree with sharia…Quran and sharia are extreme by definition. If you believe Allah is god, you are an extremist.

  16. mortimer says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’

    Pope Francis should research his statements.

    • terry says

      Dec 2, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      Mortimer,

      By providing this piece of important information, you opened the door here, on another tool to be used in waking up leaders, governments and many people, in the west.

      Thanks a lot for this,

  17. somehistory says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    The True God says one should “speak truth” with one another (Zech. 8:16; Eph.4:15-25). What the pope said is not truth. He is copying the lies of those in islam who say their religion is one of peace.

    And he *understands* the muslims feelings when they are *offended* by people in the West who, when seeing terrorism connect it to islam.

    Now can he understand those who are disgusted with this sort of untruth and simpering to those who would lop of his head if his security guys left him there alone? And are lopping off the heads of those in Iraq, Syria, Africa, Pakistan, etc. who view him as their spiritual leader? I seriously doubt it.

    The beast will not be appeased. It doesn’t want appeasement. It wants submission and total surrender. It wants the death of all who do not worship it and willingly kill others who refuse to worship it.

  18. Bill says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Jesus and the Apostles were “fundamentalists.” Christian “fundamentalism” is often apolitical and is tolerant and peaceful, yet believes in exclusivity of Christ and abhors 841 of the Catholic Catechism that states that “Christians and Muslims worship the same God.” Islam is inherently authoritarian, violent, misogynistic, subversive, supremacist, cleptocratic, and Arabic in nature and in orientation. This Pope, like most of the Roman Catholic Church and a large part of Protestant Churches, is clueless and is aiding and abetting Islam by being ignorant.

    • ernie says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 9:50 pm

      Dear Bill , the ROMAN Catholic Cathechism is wrong here : stating that Christians and Muslims worship the same G-d . The Roman Catholic Church is a pagan cult masquerading as the Church of Christ , The Roman Catholic Church worships satan in the form of a sun -god . Islam is a cult worshipping satan in the form of a moon-god . The Roman Catholic Church is NOT Christian , and should not make statements in the name of ( real ) Christians . But in her arrogance this WHORE OF BABYLON does . ..

      • DhimiNot says

        Nov 30, 2014 at 10:25 pm

        Slight correction…
        Catechism 841 says: “…Muslims PROFESS to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us, they ADORE the one merciful God…”
        (I used capitals to underline these 2 key words.)

        One has to look at other material to study:
        1) why the word PROFESS was used
        2) if the word ADORE can be equated to WORSHIP
        3) God…are the Roman Catholic writers equating God with Allah??

        I have not found anything to answer my questions.

        • umbra says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 5:05 am

          1) Those who profess certain ideals may inadvertently act contrary to those ideals due to misconceptions (misunderstanding, etc). So, some people following/doing evil believing they are following/doing good. Then, there are those who do good despite being led by evil.

          2) adore strictly does not equate to worship. However, one could adore the Almightly that one also worships.

          3) CCC States that muslims (just merely muslims – perhaps some, perhaps few, perhaps many who on Earth knows?) strive towards the Almighty. It does not stipulate that these muslims do so as a consequence of following full dictates of islamic scriptures. The subject of this portion of the CCC is the human person (muslim), not the ideology of islam. Consequently, the CCC in no way equate the Almightly in Christian and Jewish scriptures with allah of islamic scriptures.

        • Bill says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 7:15 am

          “together with US they adore the one merciful God.” In other words Christians and Muslims worship the same God according to the RCC. Anyone other than a Catholic ideologist can understand this.

      • gerard says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 2:43 am

        Yawn.

  19. Champ says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Some think that the Pope is the “false prophet” mentioned in the Bible …I can certainly see why!

    • ecosse1314 says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 9:00 pm

      You would.

    • St. Croix says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 10:30 pm

      Maybe he and the Caliph-to-come will team up.

      Perhaps he knows more than we give him credit for. He is being careful to avoid “slandering” muslims or being islamophobic in any way. Certainly not guilty of trespassing OIC definitions of right and wrong! Forget what God might say. Actually God is just Allah anyway so all is well.

      He makes Ratzinger look really good. Didn’t lightning bolts strike the Vatican when R. announced he was stepping down? Uh-oh.

  20. s.c. says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    This pope is an idiot of the highest order, or he is a covert mo-slum, you can take you choice which.

    • umbra says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 9:15 pm

      Well, he is a modern jesuit. That in itself says it all.

  21. Sam says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    How can a Pope be so ignorant of Islam? No respect whatsoever from me for this idiot. He is not serving his people or anyone else. He is helping the enemy, Islam.

  22. Ms says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Goes this man live in the real world? So I guess he accepts all of those beheadings and other violence like wife beatings and honor killings as random events?

  23. Salah says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    We, Catholics, have had a number of evil popes in the past. Francis is one of them. But we, Catholics, or at least the majority of us, actually deserve it.

    Six months ago, Ann Barnhardt wrote:
    “..we MUST understand and remember that Our Lord is ANGRY. Very, very angry. And as St. John Eudes told is in no uncertain terms, when God is angry with His people, we get bad clergy. Given the unprecedented sins of the once-Christian world, it should be no surprise whatsoever that we now have not just bad priests, but a bad pope. Hey, if we had the pope we deserved we would have Pope Snoop Dogg right now, so… yeah. Sigh.”
    http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/11/28/unpacking-the-latest-hot-mess-from-pope-francis/

    Being a catholic myself, I agree with Ann 100%.

  24. Tradewinds says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    This Pope is insane.

  25. gerard says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    Could it not be that the Pope is hoping Muslims will be encouraged by his words to renounce violence? In other words he is speaking to the Muslim world, rather than to the non-muslim world when he says Islam does not necessarily need to be violent.
    He is acting like a good teacher trying to encourage good behaviour and discourage bad.
    Some will say that is small hope after 14 centuries of Jihad.
    But what is the alternative? All out war?

    • Jack says

      Nov 30, 2014 at 11:06 pm

      Are they going to be receptive to the infidel. He is no only an infidel in their eyes but blasphemy incarnate. Unless they see a strategic way to use himI can’t see them going through the effort to pretend to heed his word. I think Bartholomew got a call from the Vatican and felt compelled to go through with meeting the Pope but talk his way around the issue.

    • Bill says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 7:23 am

      The problem with the Pope soft-peddling the truth about Islam is that his spin is inaccurate and while you can argue that it is designed to assuage the anger and violence of Muslims against Christians in the Islamic world it also weakens the resolve of the Western World to oppose the severe evil of Islam. It even has the effect of being complicit and accepting of Islam. His words are having a deadly affect on ignorant Westerners.

  26. Victor Redlick says

    Nov 30, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    The Pope can very questionably, but shouldn’t, say whatever he wants about not equating Islam with violence; just like the Vatican vehemently denied – for the longest time – that rampant and unrelenting sex abuse, by untold numbers of priests and bishops, within the Catholic church, didn’t exist either. Then what of those civil and criminal court-ordered settlements to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, where landmark diocese properties were summarily relinquished to help somehow pay for the damage, destruction and desecration foisted upon their many sinfully-abused victims . It would be a blatant miscarriage of justice if the compensatory payments were rendered under false and fraudulent pretenses; but it was absolutely not so. While we’re at it, we can also add one of the false prophet Obama’s favorite refrains here; where he declares that numerous cold-blooded assassinations of Americans, on home soil, are an indiscriminate misnomer for, you got it, ” workplace violence “. If clergy, politicians or anyone else in positions of untold influence continue to pontificate of what they know NOT, then disrespect and disregard for authority will lead to the kind of cynicism and mistrust we are patently witness to on a daily basis. Shame doesn’t mean a fig, as long as those who are guilty of having brought disgrace upon themselves and those to whom they are responsible – in civil society – are not held to seriously account for their verbal diatribe and/or errant physical actions, respectively. That is why we are increasingly witnessing the utter erosion of man’s humanity to man.

    • Jack Holan says

      Dec 6, 2014 at 7:55 pm

      Victor is spot on in his analysis. I would add that is is not all that long ago, 70 years, that the Vatican remained silent in the shadow of the Holocaust. One may try to rationalize it but for some of us it will never be forgotten. I am sure that for the tens of thousands of Christians losing their lives across the Middle East simply for worshiping and believing as a Christian it doesn’t matter either. How cruel can this Pontiff be to declare that Islam does not equal violence that it is Peaceful! He either knows the truth (my belief) or the Vatican is run by idiots, or worse enablers who keep information from reaching the Pope. In the case of Pope Pius XII, he knew very well a Holocaust was taking place on a scale never known, he knew the German Archdiocese had sworn their allegiance to Adolf Hitler above all other powers just like the SS Waffen did a difference from the normal Wehrmacht soldier. So, we have two Popes who witness evil enter their tent and rather than sound an alarm they cried out evil is good there is no evil in our tent we mere don’t understand so we will have to embrace and study to understand them.
      What we have are World “Leaders” who refuse to call an ideology evil and they focus on the IS or Al Quaida as the embodiment of the evil and if we defeat them we will have Peace. This continues to confuse and mislead their citizens however I think that the populace is catching on to the ruse faster than they anticipated.
      The worst of the worst is Barack Hussein Obama who has been the “Leader” in love with Islam from day one. His story is not one of ignorance, in fact he understands better than any of the European leaders. He spent years learning in a Madras. I don’t care about the spin that he didn’t participate in Islamic studies because he was a Christian and his very responsible Mom came to school to stop his studies in Islam. This part never happened! If they did not want him to learn Islam he would have gone to a public school. They do have them. He was going to a private religious school. Then we have candidate Obama visiting some Church and insisting that all the crosses be covered. It is bizarre. I don’t remember if in addition to Lincolns Bible he used a Qua’ ran or not. As if this is part of our Founding history. Adding the greatest insults he bows to the King of the House of Saud. The US acting inferior to a 5th rate country bowing to a country by extension; something we’ve never done before. In addition, if I were a WWII Vet especially of the Pacific theater and saw the bow to the Emperor of Japan there would be serious problems.
      He is the most evil of all. He is knowingly trying to drag this country into Islam and Sharia.

  27. Jackbo Godfrey says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 1:39 am

    Well said Mr Spencer. Now the Pope is chiming in on the Appeaser Islamophile Denial club for a complete set of Western spineless leadership. Excellent posting.

  28. acc says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 3:02 am

    So the Pope tells us the bad is a good guy. Alas that does not make the bad guy a good one. Instead the bad guy thinks the Pope chickens. Only the most gullible non-muslims believe what the pope said.

  29. Dn Ngigi says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 3:39 am

    I don’t agree with this assertion. The truth is: Muslims leaders do condemn terrorism in the open but covertly endorse it. Recently In Kenya for example, a cache of deadly weapons was recovered in mosques in the port town of Mombasa. these mosques are known to radicalize youths and proscribe them into terror groups like AL Shabab and AL Qaeda. The mosques were closed down as a consequence. you cannot believe the kind of furore that came from the entire Islamic fraternity in Kenya, whereas they could not condemn the use of mosques by terrorists to advance their radical teachings.
    I think far from being synonymous with violence, Islam is a cursed religion. Cursed because it curses and want to wipe out God’s nation of Israel, and God says in Genesis 12:3 New King James Version (NKJV)

    3 I will bless those who bless you,
    And I will curse him who curses you;
    And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

    • Poggie says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 8:00 am

      The Pope should read 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 and understand ‘why’ his praying with (Muslims) Islam at the Turkey Mosque is wrong. AND it is difficult to even think Islam is not promoting ‘evil’ and violence after reviewing the huge compilations found at http://www.thereligionofpeae.com

      • Poggie says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 8:03 am

        correction to previously posted address, should read http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    • Shane says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 9:22 am

      Islam was created as a Religion of War by the Warlord Muhammad and it has been spread by violence since the beginning. It is foolish to ignore the history of Islam and its violent teachings. The Pope is a fool.

      • PatnCats says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 12:33 pm

        You are so right! Islam is a cursed ‘social system’ and pseudo religion of wanna be murderers, rapists, pillagers and in general the youths are turned into psychopathic little boy wanna-be Mohammends. Every young man has Mohammed in their names, so what is this telling us? Mohammed is very much admired by their parents, so they think naming their sons after this barbarian to wish to instill in him the pedophile prophets characteristics.
        Yes, Judaism and Christianity WILL WIN WHEN WE GET SICK AND TIRED OF BEING MURDERED, RAPED and our property and belongings STOLEN. When that will be, who knows? Decades? A century of fighting added to the 1,400 years of muslim oppression?
        It may get down to street to street fighting, and burning mosques – beginning in Europe but hopefully the mid-east first.
        I hope not, but the Pope is praying for peace and his actions are that of appeasement – and the attempt to follow the words of Our Lord Jesus and Love Thy Neighbor. Jesus also warned us, to be ‘as clever as serpents and gentle as doves.” The Pope could call for Catholics to fund and fight the mohammadans who are butchering Christians, Jews and Non- BELIEVERS also. But the Pope is praying the muslim leadership will do what is right, but how can they? They can only deny Mohammed and the Koran – maybe bring back the abrogated versus of the koran – but all of this mess is brought on by Mohammed and we need to recognize the founder of islam was insane.
        This is not going to end nicely, or peacefully, until the”””” ‘moderate” “””Muslims get off their asses and put down the murderers in their so-called religion. Or the Christians and the non-believers together will have to do it for them, and we know how that will end when we Infidels combined together and get really really really pissed off.
        Depending upon what the mohammads have in store for us next….what terror will they launch that they already haven’t?
        As much as they are infiltrated into our society, cities and government…
        Hiroshima and Nagasaki being examples of our being pissed off and wishing to end hostilities once and for all —that pretty much took the fight out of the Great Japanese Empire.

    • wildjew says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:02 am

      I wonder why America’s leaders do not honor this covenant with Abraham.

      • Bill says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 4:27 pm

        Because they don’t read the Scriptures. And if they do read the Scriptures, they, unlike “fundamentalists” do not interpret them literally.

    • Footsy says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 12:15 pm

      I dumped Catholicism very early in my life. What a great long term investment that was. Jesus did not show up to tell us that we were to be kiss ass fatalist wimps in any fight with the devil and the dark side. Clearly the Pope is peeling in his holy pants.

    • Jack says

      Dec 2, 2014 at 8:53 am

      The greatest cultural and religious difference amongst the three major monotheistic religions, Islam, Christianity and Judaism is acceptance and tolerance. Islam has none and latter two express a lot. While both Christianity and Judaism will accept other religions in general as long as you are not in their face or trying to convert members over to the other religion. This issues of religion in the classroom, images of Christmas versus Hanukkah on government land has more to do with church/state separation of religion and having been excluded from participation for so many years that Jews I believe sought an equal footing.
      After having cleared this up in the amount of space given, Islam on the other hand is in the face demanding exclusivity of the dictates of their faith and respect only for their religion and tradition. They are most intolerant of any other religion. In fact, many Islamists in the US are upfront about it and make know secret that they seek laws congruent with their religion. I don’t think there can ever be an accommodation with Islam since the core of their religion will not allow it.

  30. duh_swami says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 4:29 am

    It’s interesting how us common folks, who have actually studied the subject, must listen to the elite and powerful dhimmi’s who have not, or have, and are outright lying. Am I going to believe the Pope or my own eyes? Who does he think he is trying to fool? It may be worse than that, maybe he is not trying to fool anyone and actually believes what he says. On what basis I’m not sure and the dhimmi elite who make these claims never actually explain them.

    • Jack says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 10:00 pm

      Perhaps it’s time for the Pope to wander the wilderness and fall upon the Muslims of ISIS and he can bring the good news that they’ve been practicing not Islam but something else. He can then explain to them why.
      Don’t forget we have a backup Pope Benedict if something goes wrong but to believe that you would have to be Islamaphoebic

  31. ECAW says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 7:17 am

    This Pope has been a disaster for our cause. He urged the Italian Navy to set up a virtual ferry service from North Africa and the European people to open their hearts to Muslim refugees. He is the apex of the benighted interfaith dialogue industry in which all parties pretend that the vicious parts of Islamic teaching can be overlooked.

    When Europe eventually realise there is no possibility of harmonious coexistence with Islam and civil strife ensues he will be one of those who bear the greatest responsibility.

    There is a way though in which he can be of help in avoiding the horror of Europe wide civil war but it requires the involvement of our enemies who just might be stupid enough to play their part. IS have already threatened to assassinate him. I wish they would get on with it. It would kill two birds with one stone, stopping his prating for one thing but more importantly providing a wake up call to the whole of the Christian world about what we are really dealing with.

    I’m not suggesting anything inhumane, nothing splashy, just something in his coffee perhaps like the other one (allegedly). He would go to his eternal reward and we would be further on in our awakening. It’s a win win. Go for it boys.

    • Rob Porter says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      ECAW, Oh well said, sir. If I hadn’t been sitting in a chair I might have fallen over laughing over your blunt candour. I, too, couldn’t care less if ISIS assassinated this fool of a Pope. It would not be any loss. The man talks a load of ignorant nonsense, like a fifth columnist lulling gullible imbeciles into a false sense of security. As to Obama and Hillary Clinton also similarly departing this planet, at this moment in time with the Muslim barbarians already inside the gates – allowed their by treasonous leaders like Obama and fools like this Pope – I consider the moment desperate enough to condone that. We are at war. The Muslims declared it and desperate times call for desperate measures.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 4, 2014 at 2:30 pm

        Rob Porter wrote:

        …As to Obama and Hillary Clinton also similarly departing this planet, at this moment in time with the Muslim barbarians already inside the gates – allowed their by treasonous leaders like Obama and fools like this Pope – I consider the moment desperate enough to condone that. We are at war. The Muslims declared it and desperate times call for desperate measures.
        ……………………………….

        These are indeed desperate times, Rob—but I don’t believe that the “desperate measures” called for include gleefully applauding the idea of your most savage enemies openly assassinating your own leaders—and yes, this is the case even when those leaders are fools or worse.

        A more minor point—but remember, too, that as a rule few things serve to legitimize a prominent figure’s ideas—no matter how bad—than if the person in question is assassinated.

        Obama is in his last term, and there are good reasons to suppose that Clinton, even if she secures the Democratic nomination, will lose in 2016. It is possible that Pope Francis will take early retirement, now that there is a precedent. In any case, I hope to see all these individuals soon fade into irrelevant obscurity.

  32. Always On Watch says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 7:32 am

    Looks as if the Pope never studied world history.

    • TH says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:47 am

      Althought he is a Jesuit and they generally have an excellent education, it does seem that he is clueless on world history in its relation to Islam. I wonder if he even knows Church history, as many of his predecessors were well aware of the dangers of Islam, such as Urban II who convoked the First Curzade, Pius V, who helped organize the Holy League and his own fleet took part in the Battle of Lepanto. Likewise Pope Inocent XI who was the major force in convincing the Poles to come to fight the Turks at the gates of Vienna in 1683. He actually bribed the Polish diet so that it would authorize the invertention of King Jan Sobieski with his famous cavalry, which is what routed the muslims. They had made it extremely clear that their next stop after conquering Vienna was Rome and that the intended to convert St, Peter’s Basilica into a mosque, just as they did with the Basilica of Holy Wisdom in Cantantinople. This is only a short list of popes who promoted cruzades against Islam. Pius II even wanted to lead a cruzade himself and he spent the whole of his period as pope promoting a cruzade. Pope Innocent III declared a cruzade and invited other Europeans to fight in Spain in 2012, when the Spaniards won the decisive Battle of Navas de Tolosa. This Battle is probably not well known, but it is one of the decisive battles of world history. After that defeat of the muslims in Spain they lost almost all their territory, and the conquest was finally defeated in 1492, with the fall of Granada. If they hadn’t been expelled from Spain there would have been no Queen Isabella who supported Columbus and no discovery of Aamerica, at least at that time.

  33. clifford hall says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 7:46 am

    The more I read some of you people the more I think the Koran is a book of peace.

    • Tradewinds says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 8:16 am

      Oh, is that right, Clifford Hall? Well, your “book of peace” is responsible for 9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston and all mass-murdering Jihads worldwide. Tell me – are you a leftist useful idiot or a Mohammedan?

    • eduardo odraude says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:22 am

      Check out this website which does nothing more than quote core Islamic texts referenced to a university database. Then explain to me how you conclude that Islam is a religion of peace rather than a totalitarian war machine.

      Quoting Islam

      • eduardo odraude says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 11:29 am

        My above comment suggesting Quoting Islam is addressed to Cliff.

        • eduardo odraude says

          Dec 1, 2014 at 11:31 am

          Sorry the link above doesn’t work, here it is correctly: Quoting Islam

    • Rob Porter says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 12:21 pm

      Clifford Hall, After that comment about out comments and the Koran being a book of peace, I wish to ask whether your ‘mummy’ knows that you are out. Your’s is just so liberal perversity.

      • Brian Hofff says

        Dec 2, 2014 at 6:46 am

        Patson wasnot anti-Islam at all. he read the Koran and he respect the religion of Islam.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 4, 2014 at 8:41 pm

        The illiterate “Brian Hofff”—who now appears unable to even spell his own name—wrote:

        Patson (sic) wasnot (sic) anti-Islam at all. he read the Koran and he respect (sic) the religion of Islam.
        ……………………………….

        What *utter rot”. He read the Qur’an when heading for North Africa during WWII and declared it “interesting”, which can cover a lot of ground.

        For a clearer sense of Patton’s views on the subject, here’s another quote from the man:

        “It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing.”

        Doesn’t sound as though he had much respect for Islam and the “Prophet”, after all…

        By the way, I am heartily sick of the absurd idea that anyone who slogs through the baleful Qur’an does so due to a sycophantic “respect” for Islam.

        Patton read the Qur’an as part of his self-imposed study of the region—if he was going to have to fight there, he wanted to know as much about the customs and history as possible.

        Thomas Jefferson read the Qur’an to understand who was pirating our ships and enslaving our crewmen.

        I read the Qur’an to understand what was motivating the bastards who attacked us on 9/11.

        I read the Qur’an to gain an understanding of the underpinnings of Islam, just as I would have read Mein Kampf to gain an understanding of the underpinnings of Fascism.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 4, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      clifford hall wrote:

      The more I read some of you people the more I think the Koran is a book of peace.
      ……………………………..

      What witless idiocy. Even the posts I consider most wrongheaded on this thread were anticipating *Muslim* violence, not calling for it themselves. How does any of this *possibly* give credence to the Qur’an being a book of peace?

      The fact is that of this writing there have been 24,529 known Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11—that hardly supports the idea that Islam is peaceful.

  34. Danusha Goska says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 8:16 am

    From the Reuters article “I told the president that it would be beautiful if all Islamic leaders, whether they are political, religious or academic leaders, would speak out clearly and condemn this because this would help the majority of Muslim people,” he said.

    Francis several times condemned Islamic State’s insurgents during his three-day trip. On the plane, he said some Christians had been forced to abandon everything: “They are driving us out of the Middle East.”

    If you are going to quote him, please quote the whole thing.

  35. AnneM says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 8:20 am

    I am done with this Pope as a Catholic and Christian.

  36. jorge bento says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Of course the Pope must have said this politicall correct things. After all he represents de peaceful and tolerant católic religion. Any word could bring more violence to christians in the orient. The criticism voice of islamism should be brougth to muslims by the western politicians and the free press and you and me.

    • Blitz2b says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 10:05 am

      Jorge,
      If the Pope knows the truth could endanger lives of Christians in the ME, then he should say nothing, not spew lies about how peaceful Islam is. Islam IS violence and he need not be an ambassador to promote it’s malicious agenda.
      Catholics are not big bible readers, so gi don’t expect many have read the Koran. Which will make them believe every word that comes out of the Roman pontiff.

      • voegelinian says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 1:44 pm

        Yes. There are many ways to devise public rhetoric so that it implies things and avoids implying other things. Surely, as a highly influential public figure with assistants who know about public rhetoric, the Pope would know how to craft any of his messages relating to the problem of Islam in such a way as to avoid lying or being an ignoramus about Islam, while also avoiding any direct condemnations of Islam. The fact that he doesn’t is a good indication that he has long ago drunk the PC MC kool-ade (if not, indeed, the more potent Leftist kool-ade).

    • TH says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:53 am

      He could be diplomatic in public statements, but if there is to be dialogue with Islam, then it has to be based on the truth and they have to be challenged about their warlike religion, the reality of their prophet etc. Dialogue doesn’t jsut mena being nice and brushing difficult matters under the rug.
      At least, if he is to say anything it should be true and not manifest ignorance on his part regarding Islam. The Pope doesn’t necessarly have to be an expert on Islam, but he should have advisers who are and prep him so that what he says is not false. There is no shortage of experts in Catholic universities in Rome and elsewhere who are well aware of the nature of Islam, and within the Jesuit order also.

  37. Dennis says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Sounds like the Anti Christ has arrived!

  38. oli says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Do not underestimate the Roman Catholics, or even less, for that matter, the Jesuits. The Pope is first and before all a religious leader, not a politician (even if the Vatican is a member of the UN). Talking to an audience of more than one billion and under scrutiny by the rest of humanity his messages will always remain somewhat conceiled and enigmatic. You have to be able to look through the messages and very often you will be able to read them in both ways: in Turkey he said that all religions should be treated equally, i.e. that Islam not act as being supreme to Christianism; most people understood this message the other, progressive way around. You will see, in time his message will get tougher, but nuance always comes first. Remaining calm in front of injustice is the essence of Christianism. Once unleashed though when action is needed in order to defend one self, in the past on numerous occasions Christians as a grouphave shown enormous strength and resilience.
    Another point I would want to make is that you can hardly keep on criticizing the Church for decades in matters of abortion, women priests or the recognition of gay marriage, and asking it, in short, to soften up on the principles, and then reprimand the same Church for having softened up in matters of Islam. With a blink of an eye the Pope can ignite a civil war with Islam.
    It is true however that we urgently need some resilience, but our people still has to wake up to the challenge. That time will come.

  39. Mezcalex says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Pope: “To end Islamophobia, Muslim leaders must condemn terrorist attacks”.

    http://www.romereports.com/pg159358-pope-to-end-islamophobia-muslim-leaders-must-condemn-terrorist-attacks-en

    • TH says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:55 am

      Oh yes, they do condemn them, but it seems to be an exercise in takiya.

  40. clifford hall says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 9:00 am

    Trade – wind

    Try to settle your stomach

    Philip

    You make my case for me both in your response to me and Danusha. You are indeed as intolerant and bigoted as those you condemn. Try speaking through your mind not your anal cavity.

    What precisely do you want this Pope to do? To declare Holy War?

    .

    • Tradewinds says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 10:18 am

      Oh Cliffy – I suggest you settle your stomach and return to Huff Post or whatever benighted leftist outpost you crawled from. I’ll repeat what I said earlier:

      Oh, is that right, Clifford Hall? Well, your “book of peace” is responsible for 9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston and all mass-murdering Jihads worldwide. Tell me – are you a leftist useful idiot or a Mohammedan?

      Heh! Your Maalox awaits!

      As for your vile and pathetic insults to PJ – go and join the Jihad in Syria where you belong. Actually, it’s the Muslims who have declared Holy War – it’s called Jihad – you ignoramus, ever heard of it?

    • Blitz2b says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 11:40 am

      Clifford, Says
      “What precisely do you want this Pope to do? To declare Holy War?”

      Absolutely Nothing….. If your conscience does not permit you to speak the truth about certain matters that could result in strife then one should refrain altogether from condescending untruths to appease your audience…

      History should have taught any man arising to the challenge of the office of the pontiff, that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Ignorance coupled with appeasement is a sure recipe for disaster.

      Holy war is not necessary, because it contradicts Christ’s message, however you would at least hope that the head of the church of Rome would adhere to Christ’s words ” Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”.

      Shame on Francis for deceiving Catholics into believing that peace can be found in Mohammed’s plagiarized Koran. I wonder if he actually read the book.

      • eib says

        Dec 1, 2014 at 6:32 pm

        No. I don’t want him to declare holy war. He has already stated that western resistance to Islam and IS are justified. Still, I think disobedience to this statement is every Christian’s duty. There is no truth in his holiness’s words to the Turk, the terrible Turk, the evil, enslaving Turk. Since when is the Turk entitled to the truth?

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 4, 2014 at 8:51 pm

      clifford hall wrote:

      Philip

      You make my case for me both in your response to me and Danusha. You are indeed as intolerant and bigoted as those you condemn.
      …………………………..

      What absolute crap. I must have missed the part where Philip Jihadski was touting the enslavement of women and the beheading of journalists and aid workers.

      Really, what grotesque false moral equivalence.

  41. Dr. Gonzalo de Porras says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Unfortunately, it is clear that S. S. Francisco I have not read the Quran

  42. clifford hall says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Jorge/Oli

    Exactly. Poor fella. Upon how many fronts must he move – at 77 isn’t he? A wonderful Pope, indeed in the image of the poor little man from Assisi and JP1..

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 4, 2014 at 9:11 pm

      A wonderful Pope, indeed in the image of the poor little man from Assisi and JP1..
      ………………………..

      The “poor little man from Assisi” was born into a wealthy family, and had the courage to join the Fifth Crusade and preach to Malik-al-Kamil, the brutal Sultan of Egypt. I doubt very much that he minced his words.

      And is it possible that you mean “JPII”? John Paul I was pope for only a very brief time before passing away, and had absolutely no papal achievements to speak of.

      I’m afraid that clifford hall’s abysmal ignorance of history is quite apparent.

  43. Bezelel says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 10:31 am

    The Pope is a well educated man capable processing information to be sure. I respect his agenda of peace but denial that islam is a violent religion by nature, that they are worshiping a different god, only keeps the uninformed in the dark. It helps people like farakan sell his line of B.S.

  44. Transmaster says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 11:32 am

    And to think in past centuries the Bishop of Rome donned armor and carried a sword into battle
    Saying Islam does not equal violence is like saying Beans don’t equal farts.

  45. CogitoErgoSum says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    I’ll stop equating Islam with violence on the day the Pope celebrates Mass at the Grand Mosque of Mecca (with all the peaceful Muslims watching …. peacefully).

  46. clifford hall says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    I just heard that Pope Francis called out the Swiss Guard to combat Isis. Can someone confirm this?

    Harry Jones

    “one written by Paul” – err….Are you sure your Biblical knowledge is accurate? Do remember O Wise One what the Bible says about the use of the word “Fool”.

    Why do you think it’s necessary to remind us about the horrors of Islam again….and again…..and again….when it’s the substance of Jihad Watch?

    Darth Evader

    Please tell me ,…what is it to “be a Christian”?

  47. clifford hall says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Philip to Tradewind

    “He’s a leftie….grr grrr”

    Gawd. Grow up. Give the world a chance.

    • Tradewinds says

      Dec 1, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      You grow up. Intellectually you’re about age 10. Now go and join the Mohammedans where you belong.

  48. Geppetto says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    There is an imaginary line here that has yet to be crossed, that the west is having great difficulty crossing and that those strong voices that speak for Islam are determined to prevent them from crossing; at least until they have created an overpowering presence.

    Jihadists, are very successfully implementing their strategy of using “their (the west’s) hands” to essentially go down to defeat by fear induced blind ignorance and a preponderance of self inflicted wounds. A catastrophic, devious, insidious, though no less bold and brilliant strategy designed to defeat an immensely more powerful adversary using the power of the spoken and written word and an intimate, in depth knowledge of what the west reveres as its inherent, “unequivocal,” cultural superiority by exploiting its idealogical weaknesses. Most especially by redefining the Founders intent for the freedoms of religion, speech, thought and peaceful assembly and justice for all.

    At every turn, outspoken western critics, journalists and experts who dare to expose the reality of the daily violence committed around the world in the name of Islam, no matter how factual or the voracity of the preponderance of the corroborating evidence, are loudly and publicly condemned for being “racist, misogynistic, bigoted” extremists suffering from the “incurable disease” of “Islamophobia.” Muslim Brotherhood organizations such as CAIR (recently labeled a terrorist organization by none other than the UAE) have, over the years, initiated law suits against many of these individuals, legal disputes that CAIR either lost or subsequently dropped after the defendants suffered enormous personal and financial losses, exactly as intended. (Forcing the Plaintiff to pay all expenses in such cases would go a long way towards preventing these frivolous, unwarranted, libelous lawsuits that are the basis for the legal assaults called Lawfare). That this has almost always been absolute, nonsensical, slanderous, libel is overpowered by the fear of the retribution it has created, a fear that is largely responsible for the wests complete capitulation and inability or unwillingness to stir the rats nest intentionally created by those Muslim fundamentalists intent on global conquest, no matter how long it takes. This is essentially the silent Jihad.

    And the so called leaders of the free world, from the Pope to the presidents, prime ministers and their underlings, major print and video media moguls, Hollywood and entertainment media elites and public spokespersons of Academia, have gotten the intended message; speak out, speak the truth and be prepared to have your life, your career and the lives of your dependents irretrievably destroyed………………from within and without firing a single shot.

    With regard to the Pope, the fact that he is willing to wash and kiss the feet of Muslims or that he is the consummate religious leader of the Christian faithful, does not make him the most reliable judge of what is or is not inherently evil. Perhaps he sees what must obviously be regarded as evil, as the work of Satanic forces that he cannot bring his Christian heart to associate with any monotheistic religion. The Pope, of course, enjoys the same freedom of speech as all westerners but such expressions of compassion and tolerance, while noble, Christian sentiments, do nothing but increase the width of the line the west desperately needs to cross if it is to avoid eventual defeat. Intentional or not, this is akin to the Vatican’s despicable silence during Hitler’s slaughter of the Jews during WWII, the infamous Holocaust.

    Until the west can drag itself out of its self inflicted fog of deception and recognize its complicity in bringing about its own demise, this bullying induced fear of ad hominem abuse from “aggrieved, persecuted and perpetually harassed” Muslims,will continue unabated and, of much greater import, IS and all other Muslim supremacist cults around the world will continue their advance towards a world Caliphate; a giant, cultural leap backwards to stonings, amputations, decapitations, honor killings, FGM, misogyny, pedophilia, rape, technological and cultural stagnation, etc.

    What will it take and will it come before it’s too late??

  49. Luther Smith says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Damn him. He needs to take the blinders off! Or, better yet, Catholics need to get a new Pope. This Pope is a frigging lunatic.

  50. clifford hall says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    geppetto

    A joy to read you.

  51. clifford hall says

    Dec 1, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    jsteves2000

    I found your piece above very moving though I think we come from different strands of Christianity. I’m not sure whether your an American, but if you are then understand that in Episcopal terms I would be considered in the Spong tradition; if British, then Harry Williams.

    I suppose it all boils down to the ‘law of love’ and the problem is how we articulate that.

    Pope Francis has suggested that (a)the Beatitudes, and (b) Matt 25 best summarise the Way of Christ.

    I would want to say that the rose, a child’s smile and the look of a steadfast man hold the key.

    It was nice to speak with you.

  52. Uncle Vladdi says

    Dec 2, 2014 at 2:46 am

    Has nobody yet bothered to tell “Pope” Francis that LYING IS WRONG!?

  53. Martin Ellacott says

    Dec 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    In my World, a man wearing a dress and funny hat marginalizes himself and I really don’t care what he thinks or opines.

  54. albert says

    Dec 2, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    This guy must be suffering from ” Ben Afleck ” syndrome.

  55. Anon says

    Dec 3, 2014 at 2:09 am

    The Pope should tell those who actually equate Islam with violence, by their violent actions, that it’s wrong.

  56. gravenimage says

    Dec 4, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Pope says it is wrong to equate Islam with violence
    ……………………………..

    Just laughable. No one would equate Islam with violence were it not for the over 24,000 violent Jihad attacks all over the world just since 9/11.

    More:

    There are plenty of Muslim condemnations of terrorism now. What we do not see is Muslim action against terrorism, or Muslims teaching against the view of Islam espoused by the terrorists.
    ……………………………..

    Actually, it’s even worse than this implies. Often when Muslims “condemn terrorism” they are not talking about Jihad savagery at all, but against Israel or the United States. And recently a man in Pakistan was convicted in an *anti-terrorism court* of “blasphemy” against the “Prophet”.

    Clearly, this is not any condemnation of terrorism that we would recognize.

    More:

    Francis said he had made the suggestion of a global condemnation of terrorism by Islamic leaders in talks on Friday with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan.

    “I told the president that it would be beautiful if all Islamic leaders, whether they are political, religious or academic leaders, would speak out clearly and condemn this because this would help the majority of Muslim people,” he said.
    ……………………………..

    It appears that the tragically naïve Pope Francis has failed to realize that *Erdogan himself* is a regular sponsor of Jihad terrorism—with the Jihad Flotilla to Gaza, and—even worse—regular funding of the sanguinary Islamic State itself.

    This would have been like urging Mussolini to condemn Fascism.

  57. Tradewinds says

    Dec 6, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    No, it’s not a myth. Islam is the menace and the threat, Abdullah.

  58. tamimisledus says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    muslims see cooperation only as a compromise solution when they can see no other way of reaching their ultimate objective of the total subjugation of non-muslim societies. It is a strategy which they have adopted since the beginnings of islam. And they will betray.that cooperation as soon as it is expedient. That is is writ large in muslim history. Anyone who preaches cooperation with islam is an ignorant fool.

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