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Prince Charles appeals to Muslim leaders “to ensure that people within their own tradition respect people from other faith traditions”

Nov 6, 2014 9:23 am By Robert Spencer

This plea stems from Charles’ willful ignorance about Islam. He says that Muslims and Christians lived in peace and harmony for centuries. He almost certainly has no idea of the oppression and depredations of dhimmitude. In making this video, he is expecting a reaction that he won’t get, and when he doesn’t get it, he won’t even notice. The Muslim leaders with whom he is in contact will condemn the persecution of Christians, do nothing to stop it or reform the Islamic doctrines that give rise to it, and that will be that.

“Charles In Plea To Muslims Over Christians,” Sky News, November 5, 2014:

Prince Charles has said Muslim leaders must warn their followers about the “indescribable tragedy” of the persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

The heir to the throne has recorded a video message insisting that faith leaders do not remain “silent” over a lack of respect between traditions.

His comments accompany the publication of a new report which concludes that Christians are the “most persecuted religious minority” in the world.

The report, by a Roman Catholic charity, said Muslim countries dominate the list of places where religious freedom is under threat.

It argues that extremism has contributed to a decline in religious freedom in the UK and singles out the corrosive influence of Islamic State (IS).

IS fighters pushed Christians out of Mosul, in northern Iraq, in July – ending a presence that began in the early years of Christianity. Shia Muslims and religious minorities have also been targeted by the Sunni Islamist group.

The report by Aid To The Church In Need also highlights the kidnapping of 200 Christian schoolgirls by the Islamist terror group Boko Haram in Nigeria.

In his video message, Charles said: “It is an indescribable tragedy that Christianity is now under such threat in the Middle East – an area where Christians have lived for 2,000 years, and across which Islam spread in 700AD, with people of different faiths living together peaceably for centuries.

“It seems to me that our future as a free society – both here in Britain and throughout the world – depends on recognising the crucial role played by people of faith.

“And, of course, religious faith is all the more convincing to those outside the faith when it is expressed with humility and compassion, giving space to others, whatever their beliefs.”

Outlining his own suggestions to improve the situation, he said: “First and foremost, rather than remaining silent, faith leaders have, it seems to me, a responsibility to ensure that people within their own tradition respect people from other faith traditions.

“We have yet to see the full potential of faith communities working together.”

The report concludes that Christians are suffering the most widespread persecution but also points out that Muslims are coming under “serious” threat.

Charles said he did not want to be seen as Defender of the Faith, the title held by each monarch since Henry VIII, but as Defender of Faith in general.

But he maintained that this conviction was rooted in his own Christian faith.

“My own Christian faith has enabled me to speak to, and to listen to, people from other traditions, including Islam,” he said….

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  1. KrazyKafir says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 9:37 am

    He even has the face of a simpleton.

    • el-cid says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 10:55 am

      Yes, but he is talking about a real problem–he has stated that Christians are the most persecuted minority in the world! That is throwing down the gauntlet, is it not?

      He is asking Christians to speak out about the destruction of Christian communities, giving the press permission to report on it, and providing an opportunity for Muslims to show their true colors by criticizing his statements.

      It is a step in the right direction. He is using his “cover” as a idiot very well. Reminds me of Claudius.

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 10:57 am

      That may be true, but we must at least give Prince Charles some credit for hinting that Islamic leaders bear some responsibility in comparison to Hillary and Obama who tried to blame Islamic butchery on an obscure film, knowing full well that the shameless liberal media would march in lockstep and portray Hillary and Obama brilliant in their efforts.

    • jbprich says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 9:17 pm

      Lord God open the eyes of Prince Charles understanding that islam will never come together with Christians because their teaching are mutually exclusive and completely the opposite. Lord God show him the truth in Jesus Name Amen

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Nov 7, 2014 at 9:05 am

        Seconding that.

        And me, I’m praying for William and Catherine as well.

      • Thomas Johnston says

        Nov 7, 2014 at 7:29 pm

        Amen and Amen

    • mortimer says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 11:54 pm

      Diplomacy like this is the way to accomplish the PROTECTION of vulnerable people…not smart aleck remarks like those of facile critics on this page. Shame on you all.

      • pumbar says

        Nov 7, 2014 at 12:01 am

        Well said Mortimer.

  2. john spielman says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 9:41 am

    why does the first thing that comes to mind when I see a photo of Prince Charles is; WHAT A STUPID GIT!
    there can NEVER be anything in common between islam and democracy just as there is nothing in common between the Light of Christ and the darkness of islam… and he is the heir to the head of the Church of England?

    • david says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 10:17 am

      He’s gotten the oath changed as well. The Queen is Defender of the Faith.
      Charles has changed it to Defender of Faith when he is King.

      • john spielman says

        Nov 6, 2014 at 10:45 am

        “Defender of the Faith”, now which “faith” could that be?…hm… I know -faith that one’s big toe can save you from your sins? No ?

        What a treasonous coward, poor Chucky is. I hope he is bypassed for king in favor of William!

  3. John Hartley says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 9:41 am

    I despair at the level of woeful ignorance displayed by prince Charles. Even more I despair of the wilful twisting of the words of the Koran i.e. by leaving out the violent bits, as demonstrated by our deputy PM following the jihad killing of Lee Rigby. The bit left out by Clegg was exactly that which incited the murderers to kill.
    The truth about Islam is that Mohammed was the devil’s disciple and the Koran and other Islamic texts are the devil’s doctrine.

    • Salah says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 11:11 am

      ” The truth about Islam is that Mohammed was the devil’s disciple and the Koran and other Islamic texts are the devil’s doctrine.”

      But…but…what about the test of Khadija? she came out with the conclusion that Islam is NOT of the devil. Do you mean Khadija was wrong? (sarc/off)

      http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/06/khadijas-thighs.html

  4. Ursula says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 9:43 am

    What a joke he is. And I am sure the Muslim leaders think so, too, and are laughing uproariously at his idiocy.

    The reality is, that his Christian faith is a joke, too, as he is one of the earth worshippers, a new ager and worse. No wonder he does not want to be seen as ‘defender of the faith’.

    • Tradewinds says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 2:23 pm

      No. Christianity is not a joke. Judeo-Christianity civilizations are the highest and most accomplished in the world – United States, Europe, Israel. End of story.

      • deja vu says

        Nov 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm

        @Tradewinds

        Ursula wrote: ‘The reality is, that *his* Christian faith is a joke’. I think we can all agree with that.

        On the other hand, here’s an extract from a speech he gave praising Islam:

        ‘….. the Prince of Wales explained how the Muslim critique of materialism helped him to rediscover the sacred spirituality of Islam and explain the decline of the West.

        “I start from the belief that Islamic civilization at its best… has an important message for the West in the way it has retained an integrated and integral view of the sanctity of the world around us. I feel that we in the West could be helped to rediscover the roots of our own understanding by an appreciation of the Islamic tradition’s deep respect for the timeless traditions of the natural order.

        Islamic culture in its traditional form has striven to preserve this integrated, spiritual view of the world in a way we have not seen fit to do in recent generations in the West. There is much we can learn from that Islamic world view in this respect.

        There are many ways in which mutual understanding and appreciation can be built. Perhaps, for instance, we could begin by having more Muslim teachers in British schools, or by encouraging exchanges of teachers. Everywhere in the world people want to learn English. But in the West, in turn, we need to be taught by Islamic teachers how to learn with our hearts, as well as our heads. The approaching millennium may be the ideal catalyst for helping to explore and stimulate these links, and I hope we shall not ignore the opportunity this gives us to rediscover the spiritual underpinning of our entire existence.’

        http://www.sunnah.org/nl/v0104/prince.htm

        Jesus had plenty to say about materialism – where is his obsequious praise for the teachings of Christianity? The man speaks out of both sides of his mouth and has no integrity.

    • Champ says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 3:19 pm

      Ursula wrote:

      The reality is, that his Christian faith is a joke, too, as he is one of the earth worshippers, a new ager and worse.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      I agree with you, Ursula. I don’t think that Prince Charles is a true believer, either …

      Question: “What is a true Christian?”

      Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/true-Christian.html

      Excerpt:

      Despite the wide variety of beliefs that fall under the general “Christian” label today, the Bible defines a true Christian as one who has personally received Jesus Christ as Savior, who trusts in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ alone for forgiveness of sins, who has the Holy Spirit residing within, and whose life evinces change consistent with faith in Jesus.

  5. duh_swami says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 9:45 am

    ‘Let us reason together’, the fool said to the hornets nest.
    ‘Certainly, said the head hornet, ‘stick your hand in the nest and lets talk’…

    • john spielman says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 9:54 am

      more like; “stick your HEAD in the hornets nest”!

  6. IQ al Rassooli says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Charles had been instructed by very high level Muslim clerics who most certainly DECEIVED him regarding Islam even if he actually read Muhammad’s Quran because invariably he was always positive that Islam is a ‘great religion’ and that Islam had contributed enormously to humanity.

    Charles and almost every single politician, academician, media and clergy in the UK &Europe have exactly the same WARPED understanding of Islam. Understanding based entirely on personal perception without an iota of knowledge

    Even as he appeals to a none existent ‘moderate’ Muslims, he is in total DENIAL of all Facts & Reality although every single atrocity committed by Muslims is referenced by the Muslim terrorists to verses in Muhammad’s Quran & Sunna

    The Muslims have been telling us the TRUTH regarding their intention to subjugate all of humanity to Sharia while our CRIMINALLY negligent leaders tell us otherwise

    Fortunately, millions of men and women in the USA & Europe are WAKING up to the reality of Islam’s existential threat to human civilization.

    I have absolutely no doubt that sooner rather than later we shall have enormous civil unrest in both the USA & EU

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • Kepha says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 8:09 pm

      @harry jones:

      I’m not sure the new Republican Senate will have the 外卵to investigate and impeach the O; nor will they probe too deeply into things like Fast and Furious or Benghazigate. As for civil uprisings by Muslims here, I’m not sure it will happen. A number of my students are from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan this year. The buzz I hear from them is that they think they’re durned lucky to be living in the USA. For all I know, judging from some of the attitudes expressed, their anchor uncles may well be among the folks who turned my deep indigo state of Maryland a shade of purple with the election of our GOP governor.

      • voegelinian says

        Nov 7, 2014 at 1:03 pm

        ” A number of my students are from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan this year. The buzz I hear from them is that they think they’re durned lucky to be living in the USA. For all I know, judging from some of the attitudes expressed, their anchor uncles may well be among the folks who turned my deep indigo state of Maryland a shade of purple with the election of our GOP governor.”

        Wow. And one wonders why the PC MC neurosis is so prevalent throughout the West, when it rears its tics and spasms right here inside the Counter-Jihad; in a veteran Jihad Watch reader & commenter, no less.

  7. Beagle says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:14 am

    “Islam spread in 700AD”
    — —
    That short summary is representative of a big part of the problem. Most people are in denial about, or ignorant of, the brutal Islamic conquests which spread Islam in the first place. By 732 Islam was trying to end the French occupation of France. IS is doing nothing the Salaf, the earliest Muslims, would find strange or unrecognizable.

    This historical denial obscures the reason IS keeps putting the lie to all the dire predictions for its imminent downfall from within or from without by neighboring Sunni so-called enemies. Sunni Salafism is popular and growing.

  8. Edison says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Islam survives and thrives on the ignorance of people. Muslim’s are very good at
    exploiting this to their advantage. If the general population is ignorant and apathetic to the Muslim agenda, which is Global Supremacy then they become easy, even willing victims.

    The solution? Learn and teach the truth about the evils of Islam.

  9. salamander says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Go easy on wingnut please, he does speak to trees after all. I see jug -ears as a latter day Charles Martell , ready to lead his serfs into glorious battle against the barbaric hordes. As a show of gratitude it would be a nice touch if the Boko Haram schoolgirls and the Yazidi women could get together, and knit a nice pair of winter mittens for Charlie and Camilla

  10. Jørgen Moisejeff Berg says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Good luck with that one Charlie

  11. RonaldB says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Prince Charles is really speaking to the non-Muslim, traditionally British community, rather than the Muslims.

    Charles is saying “let’s work together with the Muslims. For the price of a few pro-forma condemnations of the ISIS by Muslim groups, we will continue to allow Muslims to immigrate into the UK and criminalize or marginalize any systematic criticism of Islam.”

    The statement by Charles that he is the “defender of faith” rather than “defender of the faith” proves his real intention of obfuscating boundaries and borders. Charles cannot make the whole world tolerant, but what he can do is reinforce the borders of England and its official culture (Anglicism) against the invasion by hostile immigration. This is what Charles is specifically and explicitly rejecting.

    Just because you guard your own borders does not mean you don’t respect the borders of others. As an atheist, I completely support the Christian organizations devoted to protecting Christians in the Muslim areas. Any group can be more effective by focusing on its own interests. As Robert Frost said “good fences make good neighbors.”

  12. Don McKellar says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Prince Charles: carrying out the great tradition of Edward the 8th, the Nazi King. And he’s so delusional/drunk that he doesn’t even know it.

  13. Truth says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:56 am

    The UK needs to get rid of the unelected royalty parasites on UK taxpayers (taxes pay for their police protection, etc). Prince Charles is a stupid idiot.

    • Tradewinds says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 2:25 pm

      “Prince Charles is a stupid idiot.”

      No doubt about it.

  14. sammy says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 10:59 am

    I hate to tell you this Charles, but there is no “respect and tolerance” in Islam for the Kuffar.

    Seems “your people” have not been forthcoming with the truth.

  15. Mirren10 says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Charlie bug a lugs has always been a wet, well meaning, dim bulb.

    I suppose it is a partial good that he has highlighted the fact that it is **Christians** that are the most persecuted faith in the world today, but of course he jibs at underlining the fact of who is doing the persecuting; mainly **mohammedans,** and neither is he prepared to actually look at the history of islam, and how it was spread, critically.

    You can always try to educate him, politely, but trenchantly.

    https://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/contact-us

    And yes, UK mohammedans will be sniggering in their sleeves.

    • Wolfgang says

      Nov 7, 2014 at 2:26 am

      You must remember that Prince Charles has been coached to be an elitist by his arrogant conceited father who said :

      ” ………………….In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation…………… ”

      Printed in The American Almanac, August 25, 1997.

      His Royal Virus

      Reported by Deutsche Press Agentur (DPA), August, 1988.

      http://www.propagandamatrix.com/prince.html

      With the exception of the Queen, the Royals are a wasted space……..sorry to say that. They are a British taxpayers blight.

  16. ECAW says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 11:41 am

    It seems like he’s just starting to realise that not everything in the garden is rosy and is taking baby steps towards naming the problem. But he seems unbelievably naive in assuming that humility and respect for other faiths is possible in Islam. Just wringing his hands and saying “Please be nice” isn’t going to cut much ice.

    This is interesting to see because it’s an example of many more well intentioned but deluded people starting to feel the increasing cognitive dissonace which comes from insisting that Islam is just like all the other religions. A few more atrocities, particularly among our elites – politicians, royalty, Simon Cowell – could strain the dam to bursting point.

    • deja vu says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      I’d add the odious Russell Brand to that list.

      • pumbar says

        Nov 7, 2014 at 7:21 am

        I can think of so many that I’ve got visions of a jihadi chit system where muslims who want to kill infidels (that’s pretty much most of them) get to draw out a small token with some progressive’s name on it. They then have 24 hours to commit jihad on that progressives arse or face a vote off.
        “Beheading with the stars”?
        “Islam’s got talent”?

  17. Jankweasel says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Charles is a one-man argument for abolition of the Monarchy. His ambivalence about the UK is palpable, and his stupidity is unfathomable.

  18. VLParker says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 11:51 am

    God save us from idiots and fools. How can a man who is in line to be the king of England be so utterly ignorant about history. Astounding.

  19. VLParker says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 11:52 am

    And why doesn’t this fool do something about the muslim rape gangs in his own country?

    • deja vu says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 3:38 pm

      Not only that, he is away with the fairies in his gaia-like worship of the environment.

      For some years there has been some conjecture about whether or not Charles is a Muslim convert. This article from 2003 leaves you in no doubt. In almost every statement he makes about Islam he adds, “As I see it….” or “So far as I can tell….” If he’s relying on his own understanding, it’s no wonder he keeps making such a fool of himself.

      This article is a must-read:

      http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-charles-a-convert-to-islam

  20. Dave J says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    The solution to dealing with intolerant people is not going to be increasing your own tolerance. That will likely only encourage and increase their intolerance.

    Islam badly needs a reformation but was cleverly designed by it’s instigator and profit (sic) to be reform-proof. Any doubts or criticism are automatically classified as blasphemies, punishable by death. As is rejecting the ideology – there is no walking away unmolested.

    Only the enforcement of laws forbidding death threats, real hate speech and treason will work to curb their murderous enthusiasm.

  21. Threesixteen says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Charles should read the Qur’an and he will understand. He should read the Islamic conquest and see the brutality. I know people allover the world are waking up to this death cult religion.

  22. Marblenecltr says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Prince Charles, I respect your sincerity of concern in your statement, but I saw lack of knowledge of important facts regarding Islam. It is a faith that will never live with respect and tolerance of other faiths no matter how much you listen to and speak to people from their tradition. When they speak to you, they will not tell you of their desire to force your rejection of Christ or accept beheading. That is just one difference in their belief and yours. Get a Koran and read chapters 8 and 9, and stop listening to the pleasing advice of your present advisors. Listen to those like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Howard Bloom, and Raymond Ibrahim. As your family does nothing about the threats of Islam, your people are being robbed, raped, enslaved, and murdered, and sharia is being promoted to replace Blackstone. I write this with great concern for the future of you and your people.

  23. Boston Tea Party says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    “Charles said he did not want to be seen as Defender of the Faith, the title held by each monarch since Henry VIII, but as Defender of Faith in general.”

    And that’s a microcosm of the broad, widespread ideological change that has led to Europe facing Islamization.

    • deja vu says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 3:46 pm

      It’s much worse than that. From the article I posted above:

      ‘Prince Charles revealed in a letter leaked to the Daily Telegraph that he had strained relations with George Carey, then archbishop of Canterbury, over his attitude toward Islam. Particularly contentious was his expressed intent, on becoming king and supreme governor of the Church of England, to ditch the centuries’ old defender of the faith title and replace it with defender of faith and defender of the Divine. The letter reveals the archbishop’s reaction to Charles proposal.

      ” I wish you’d been there for the archbishop! Didn’t really appreciate what I was getting at by talking about “the Divine” and felt that I had said far more about Islam than I did about Christianity – and was therefore worried about my development as a Christian.”

      In typical English understatement, ‘according to royal aides, Charles did not much respect Lord Carey’s views and the feelings were reciprocated.’

      I’m not sure today’s nonentity of an archbishop would be much bothered.

      http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-charles-a-convert-to-islam

  24. mortimer says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    God bless him for doing something, unlike the critics here.

    • deja vu says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 3:52 pm

      Speak for yourself. Charles’ idea of ‘doing something’ is only making matters worse. He is a double-minded man at best. No wonder the Queen is hanging on. I can imagine how she feels about his Islamic sympathies.

      As for myself, I am standing up for, supporting and advocating for persecuted Christians in all Islamic nations.

      What you are doing?

      • Jen says

        Nov 7, 2014 at 8:08 am

        Deja vu, no need to worry about his remarks. He’s probably not doing anything.

        Mortimer seems to believe in the “tiny minority of extremists” meme so he’s probably confused. No doubt, his comment was addressing me and my comments that “moderate Muslims” are capable of being complicit to jihad terror “in other ways” (and not a tiny minority either, as Mortimer suggests). I hope he read my response. If not, I’ll address here- for the benefit of other readers who might think “tiny minority of extremists” also.

        He suggested that only small number would donate funds to violent jihad, while clearly only thinking of jihad violence in limited terms. Even though he forgets about Muslims who contribute funds to their mosques- where those funds can be used for outright dubious reasons or for funding the spread of Islam’s ideas within the community. The spreading of Islam within a community also lends itself to the promotion of an important part of Islam- the concept of jihad. We see evidence of this in NZ prisons or the Maori community already. The contribution of “moderate Muslims” to this problem is obvious.

        I hope these “tiny minority of extremist” people can think about this Islam problem more broadly. This “it’s only a tiny minority of extremists” mantra is not a helpful idea to spread. People will underestimate the danger with a lullaby like that. Mortimer probably thinks this is “overstating” the case. He’s so wrong…Talking like an innocent westerner….Who might get his bum bitten…

  25. Elaine Goode says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Dream on, Prince Charles! You are not talking to rational human beings. You are talking to savages.

  26. joeb says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    The thing about imams, or whoever, condemning “persecution of Christians” or “condemning terrorism” is that they can comfortably do that, and not condemn jihad.

    Unless they outright, explicitly condemn jihad, they are home free, and the imams/’community’ spokesmen know it. And they will NEVER condemn jihad, for obvious reasons.

    But the dhimmis like Prince Charles don’t understand this.

  27. Kenny says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Hermetically sealed from reality!

  28. Champ says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Oh my, Prince Charles doesn’t have a clue, does he? Wow that mush was rather painful to listen to. And sometimes saying nothing at ALL is a much wiser choice–which is certainly the case here.

    • Mirren10 says

      Nov 6, 2014 at 9:27 pm

      ”And sometimes saying nothing at ALL is a much wiser choice–which is certainly the case here.”

      Yep.

      As the old saying goes, better to keep your mouth shut and perhaps be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

  29. R Cole says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Oddly a few years ago the Archbishop of Canterbury – suggested that it was inevitable that aspects of the Sharia would be introduced in the UK.

    Think of a chessboard – and it becomes apparent that it is a statement more in line with Prince Charles’ ethos – that as a future British monarch and head of the ‘Church or England’ – he wishes to see himself as leader of ‘all faiths’.

    He has spent many years fostering relations with Muslims leaders and Arab royalty.

    He no doubt hoped for some sort of integration between western and Islamic laws or norms. He’s even been known to promote Islamic farming methods and during a speech told environmentalists: ‘Follow the Islamic way to save the world.’ [Islam believes it has all knowledge within its sacred text!]

    Naturally, even if Prince Charles does have knowledge of Islam’s subjugating dhimmi laws – he would think that as monarch – he wouldn’t be affected by them.

    He might assume that his position in this ‘new’ Britain would be respected.

    [Which says nothing about the rest of us – dhimmi-folk!]

    ::

    The Imam of Canterbury

    After the Archbishop of Canterbury made his bold statement – he was mocked – by others in the clergy – ironically for the same reason Charles has finally – come out [as a Christian] – and that is concern for Christian persecution in countries which are under sharia laws.

    But this was coming a for a long time – for years it looked as thought the Middle East might soon be free of Christians. This as the Church of England’s official position was to praise ‘aspects’ of Shari’a. Only the Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali – whose family converted to Christianity in his native Pakistan – spoke honestly about Islam issues – which he was widely criticized for. He first brought up UK Muslim no-go areas – where Islamic law was being openly enforced. Told at the time he was dreaming – the problem has only increased.

    Obviously Prince’s thought is that he is banking on his Islam capital – for change – wish him good luck with that.

    ::

    Here is Anjem Choudary – pay the jizya for Middle East Christian and receive ISIS protection – StraightForward LevantTV debate.

    The way Prince Charles uses ‘living together peaceably’ needs to be redefined – in Islamic terms. Without Islamic qualifiers – it is a misleading statement.

    Anjem Choudary promotes ISIS to Mideast Christians
    http://youtu.be/S_3DmEoAT_8

    It is clear – if Sharia law arrives – this is what they plan to do with us – it’s a no brainer!

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Nov 7, 2014 at 9:14 am

      That was the *previous* Archbishop, Rowan Williams.

      The new one, Nigel Welsby, who has not been in office, long, is a bit of a dark horse. I don’t think he’s another Williams. I think, given a little bit more time and the right prompting, he might surprise everyone.

  30. Dennis says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    If he wants any credibility when he becomes King Charles III, he will turf the muslims from England as his predecessor, Charles I, turfed the Jews from England. However, they came back during the Civil War and in the time of Charles II to intermarry with the impoverished landed aristocracy, thereby giving the aristocracy new wealth, and gaining for themselves standing in British Society. Princess Diana’s mother is Jewish, as is Princess Kate’s. As Jewishness is conferred matrilineally, the parents of the new future king are both Jewish. What will this mean for the future of the UK?

  31. Dennis says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    A Black Adder character comes to mind. Say, King George.

    He has been amongst the Saudis too many times and I cringe when I see him in arab attire.

  32. zichronot says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    It is Mature Muslims that are the danger.It is people who have not studied their text that are Not mature.The ones thinking Islam means “Peace”…It doesn’t mean peace. Islam and muslim both come from the root word “al-silm” which means “submission” or “surrender.” It is understood to mean “submission to allah.” In spite of whether threw a noble intention or takiyya, many muslim claim that Islam is derived primarily from peace,……. this is not true.

    AND, The same verse is why they believe they worship the same God as Jews and Christians,and WHY they claim all prophets are muslims..But they are not and Jews and Christians are not connected to Islam.Only that they were stolen from..Muslims are Nothing to either religion.They try to force Muhammad into the biblical text.And he isn’t there.Anywhere.They believe Muhammad is the “comforter” And mentioned in Song of Solomon.

    It’s one of the reasons Muhammad hated Jews and Christians.They flat out rejected his claims….STILL Reject it.

    Allah says in the Qur’an

    [2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered.

  33. Kepha says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    I’d appreciate some education from British JW readers about how Charles is seen in the country where he will one day be monarch. While I think I have a fairly decent grasp of British history, I’m not that up on UK politics and attitudes.

  34. Wellington says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    He’s very underwhelming. Always has been. Always will be.

  35. abad says

    Nov 6, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    My British friends tell me they don’t have a high opinion of UK royalty much like many Americans hold Obama in contempt…

  36. pongidae rex says

    Nov 7, 2014 at 3:56 am

    Believe it or not, by the law of large numbers it is inevitable that at some point the West is going to elect a real leader with some balls and not some politically correct, affirmative action twit. Then TSHTF.

  37. Myxlplik says

    Nov 7, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Basically the Prince says, if there is no reformation of Islam, then the freedom which western civilization is built upon will be destroyed. It was as politically correct as possible, but he said it. Seems he understands the situation/Islam quite well.

    So, when do they ban him from the UK?

  38. Champ says

    Nov 7, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    “Christy” is busy spamming the threads–again, with her inane rubbish!

    • Wellington says

      Nov 7, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      Yes, it is inane, Champ, but I suspect “Christy” will remain oblivious of this.

      You know, what strikes me as very interesting, peculiar and telling is that virtually no Muslim when defending their religion (or any dhimmi apologist doing so) ever presents any kind of argument that really places Islam in a better light (though they think they are doing so). Virtually every single time a defense of Islam occurs, it does nothing to exonerate Islam or make it appealing. Quite the opposite in fact. I see this as one of many strengths that the anti-jihad movement has on its side. Oh yeah, let the “Islam-crowd” crow about Islam. After all, when someone is self-destructing, best to just get out of the way.

      Hope you and family (including little William) are doing well and then some. Take care, pal.

      • Champ says

        Nov 7, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        Hope you and family (including little William) are doing well and then some. Take care, pal.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Hi, Wellington! ..yes, thank you, everyone is well, and lil’ William is 2 1/2 mths old and he’s all smiles! …and he looks *just* like his Daddy (our son). Sure brings me back whenever I hold him. 🙂

        And I want to wish you and yours the very best, my friend!

  39. Wellington says

    Nov 7, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Get lost, Christy. You convince no one of sense here at JW.

    BTW, no regular commenter here at JW who knows what Islam is really about has ever said that was is wrong with the world, or even wrong with ‘just” persecution of Christians, is “all about Islam.” In typical deceitful and/or ignorant fashion, you set up a straw dog and then knock it down. No one is buying your nonsense except nonsensical persons.

    Do Christians and free peoples everywhere have problems other than from Muslims? Of course. But right up there at the top of the list of persecution of Muslims, and the attempt to shut down freedom, is Islam in all its repressive and despicable “glory.”

    Really, try another approach, just for variation’s sake if no other. Until you do, you will be seen as the deceitful one/fool you are.

  40. fair_dinkum says

    Nov 7, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    good on him..whenever any world figure gets a touch closer to the mark..

    theyre not all bill maher…

    i wonder if this is before, or after the plot was quelled to kill his mother…

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6070536/Alleged-terror-knife-attack-plot-to-kill-the-Queen-foiled-by-cops.html?CMP=SOC-Sun-Twitter-11_20_2013-191-0-0-0

  41. IQ al Rassooli says

    Nov 8, 2014 at 7:15 am

    It is sickening to read your comments Christy

    It is obvious to almost all those who comment here that either you have NOT read Muhammad’s Quran or are the usual submitting ignorant Islam apologist

    1400 years ago Muhammad declared TOTAL WAR against ALL human beings who do not believe in his god Allah and in him as the messenger of Allah

    Unlike you, I back up my statements with verses from Muhammad’s Quran

    Al Tauba 9:29 “Fight [qatiloo] those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle [Muhammad] nor acknowledge the religion of truth [ISLAM] (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians & Jews] until they pay the Jizya [onerous Tax for not being a Muslim] with willing submission and feel themselves humiliated”

    *** Just to make sure that the listeners would believe what I am revealing, I would like to put forth a challenge worth $100,000 to the first person who can show us all a SINGLE operative verse in Muhammad’s Quran that demonstrates any Compassion & Mercy to all UNBELIEVERS!

    Currently, Unbelievers represent 80% of humanity: All Christians Buddhists Hindus Jews Atheists Agnostics etc. That is any and all those who are NOT Muslims! $100,000 for just ONE verse from among over 6200 verses in Muhammad’s Quran!***

    Al Mai’da 5: 51 “O ye who believe (Muslims)! take not the Jews [Yahood] and the Christians [Nasara] for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them…”

    *** The implications of the last sentence is of immense importance “And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them…” meaning that any followers of Muhammad who befriend or under the rule of Christians or Jews (or any none Muslim group) would be considered Apostates to Islam, outsiders to Islam, enemies of Islam who must be slaughtered.

    In a nutshell, no Muslim can ever be loyal to the American Constitution because it is NOT from Allah nor can any of them be loyal citizens because none Muslim Americans are Infidels/ Kuffar/ Unbelievers/ Kafiroon ***

    My advice to Muslim apologists is:

    Put up or forever Shut up!

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • Terrence says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 7:31 pm

      IQ, what would we do without you? Thank you ten thousand times.

  42. MikeR says

    Nov 8, 2014 at 7:23 am

    As muslims throughout the world see the video of Prince Charles’ naive plea, they are thinking how much they would like to remove his head and give it to local children to use as a soccer ball.

  43. Alan says

    Nov 9, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Even though there is a technicality on peace, this is a very good brave comment from the prince, I think people are unfair with their comments, for the position he holds this was very brave, and may have consequences. I give him a lot of credit for this, breaking out of the British fear of saying anything. Lets give credit where it is due.

  44. Terrence says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    Yeah, that ought to do it Chuck. Your “heart goes out…” Listen, bubba, you don’t HAVE a heart. You are a robot. By the way, the line about how different religions lived together peacefully in the Middle East for centuries …..A VERY BIG LIE. We have eyewitnesses Chuck — no matter what the history revisionists say. Islam’s version of peaceful coexistence would shock even the most insane leftist and Muslim apologist. Except of course if that Muslim apologist were a Muslim.

  45. Terrence says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    The spread of Islam, whether to parts in the Middle East or elsewhere, was NEVER done peacefully. It was spread ONLY through the sword.

  46. Marblenecltr says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    Stop watching those old Lawrence of Arabia films!

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