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Saudi groom divorces bride during their wedding after seeing her face for the first time

Nov 17, 2014 10:13 am By Robert Spencer

saudi-wedding2In Islamic law, women are essentially commodities. A husband can discard his wife at will, with no penalty or responsibility. “Saudi husband tells his bride he wants a divorce during their wedding after seeing her face for the first time when the photographer asked them to pose for pictures,” by Matthew Blake, Daily Mail, November 17, 2014:

A Saudi groom has divorced his bride on their wedding night after seeing her face for the first time when the photographer asked them to pose for pictures.

The couple, from the Western Saudi town of Medinah, had agreed to marry each other despite having not met face to face – a popular custom in certain Middle Eastern countries.

But when the bride removed her veil and smiled for the camera, her new husband leapt to his feet in disgust.

‘You are not the girl I want to marry,’ he declared. ‘You are not the one I had imagined. I am sorry, but I divorce you.’

According to local daily Okaz, the bride immediately collapsed in a fit of tears as panicked wedding guests stepped in to try to resolve the dispute.

But their efforts were to no avail.

‘The groom said he had not been able to see his bride’s face before marriage,’ Okaz reported. ‘When he divorced her, the bride collapsed and the wedding turned into a night of tears.’…

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  1. CogitoErgoSum says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 10:28 am

    If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
    –Saint Paul
    Source: I Corinthians 13:1-2

    • Kris says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 10:44 am

      Does islam know the notion of love?

      • john spielman says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 11:50 am

        since allah is Satan, no there is no concept of LOVE in islam. For God is love, but Satan/allah has been a liar and deceiver and “murdrerer from the beginning”, so muslims can not conceive of true agape” love, only eros and possibly philios love but NOT the love of God!

      • eduardo odraude says

        Nov 18, 2014 at 11:35 pm

        Excellent question. Here’s a strong answer:

        http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/love.htm

      • susanp says

        Nov 19, 2014 at 11:52 pm

        Kris,
        To answer your question: NO! Mothers claim to ‘love’ their children but celebrate their deaths in suicide bombings and participate in honor killings. As far as marriage goes, love is not a factor. Fathers murder their daughters if they refuse an arranged marriage, usually a cousin, and choose their own groom. Love is reserved for allah and their beloved false prophet. Marriage is a contract between the woman’s owner and the prospective groom, negotiated by the couple’s parents or guardians. The bride doesn’t even have to be present, only her seller, buyer, and a pious imam to certify the contract. The muslim gene pool is definitely drying up but they will continue to intermarry to keep money, property, etc. ‘in the family’. Muhammad said it was ok and that’s all that matters because he was perfect. Anyway, the muslim definition of love is quite different than ours and they are the world’s best haters.

  2. Edison says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Okay I’m curious what did she look like?

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 10:46 am

      She probably looked older than 9 years old.

      Always look under the hood before making a purchase.

      • les says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 11:26 am

        Jay, that’s why he probably never ever got a glimpse of her face he had his nose where it shouldn’t have been. She should now have the privilege of beheading him for her embarrassment! Her choice of Which head’
        Right will right itself–wrong never will’

      • No Fear says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 7:53 pm

        LOL.

  3. The Last of the Real says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 10:37 am

    At least he divorced her, instead of claiming his honor was injured and killing her or something equally ridiculous. Still, the problem could be avoided entirely if the women simply didn’t have to wear a damn hijab.

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 2:01 pm

      I think you mean a damned niqab, the black garbage bag Saudi women are forced to wear. The hijab reveals the entire face, not only the eyes, and comes in all colors and prints.

      • The Last of the Real says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 2:09 pm

        I think you are correct. I shouldn’t post prior to finishing my morning coffee…

  4. Mo says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 10:48 am

    So what’s Islamic law on this? Does this mean she will never be able to marry someone else? Would that be considered adultery even though he divorced her? I am not sure how that works.

    What a horrible story.

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      Mo, she wouldn’t be committing adultery if the dude who divorced her verbally, which is sanctified by Islamic misogyny.
      She MAY be marriageable in the future IF her parents sell her for big bucks — after the whole country has stopped mocking her.

      • Bettina says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 3:27 pm

        Correx! Omit “who” after “dude.”

      • Mo says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 3:33 pm

        @ Bettina

        “Mo, she wouldn’t be committing adultery if the dude who divorced her verbally, which is sanctified by Islamic misogyny.
        She MAY be marriageable in the future IF her parents sell her for big bucks — after the whole country has stopped mocking her.”

        It’s so sad.

        But perhaps this horrendous experience may lead her out of Islam! (I can always hope.)

  5. jewdog says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Ode To A Saudi Bride:
    What a face, what a chassis,
    Two more legs, they’d call her Lassie.
    What a face, what a fig’r,
    Two more legs, they’d call her Trigger.
    Take your bride, fresh from her sack,
    If you no like, then throw her back.

    • Mirren10 says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 12:23 pm

      🙂 🙂

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      Grimly hilarious, Jewdog!

      • nothosaur says

        Nov 18, 2014 at 10:57 am

        Somebody mocks and derides the physical appearance of another, and even takes the time to put it into poetry, and you find it hilarious.

        She has no control over her appearance, and had the bad fortune of being born into a savage culture.

        Question-does your reaction to this derisive, sophmoric poetry respresent Judeo-Christian values? The Christians that I knew from long ago would have had pity on this girl instead of joining with the savages that laughed at her.

        I’ll give you a chance to explain how it is plausible that Jesus would have reacted the way you did.

        Give it a shot, and cite the verses that support your positition

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 18, 2014 at 12:18 pm

          Nothasaur, I believe Jewdog was mocking the disgusting attitudes of Muslim men and the sick institution of Muslim marriage, *not* mocking a woman’s being cruelly humiliated.

          Please note my earlier post on this thread where I say that it is the callous groom who proved that he was ugly, not the bride.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 18, 2014 at 5:37 pm

          ”Somebody mocks and derides the physical appearance of another, and even takes the time to put it into poetry, and you find it hilarious.”

          I think you’re being a bit po-faced.

          Jewdog’s post, was, I think, as graven has noted, a humorous response to the vile groom, and his attitude, enabled by his foul religion and culture.

          Please note my comment to Jay Boo, in response to his/her heartless comment on how if she was really hideous, the groom is exempt from blame.

          My sympathies are entirely with this poor girl, and I only hope she will use this humiliating debacle to truly reflect on the tenets of her religion, and perhaps realise islam is a pile of shite, and apostasises secretly, even if she can’t do it openly.

  6. change watch says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 10:57 am

    I dread to think to what extent this crime is being covered up in the UK. There has been a couple of convictions and the details are beyond belief.

  7. Islam_Macht_Frei says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Well, he DID say he was “Sorry.” What more do you want??

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 9:15 pm

      IMF, I researched your handle, and it meant Work Makes You Free, for the nazis, who sadistically posted it atop the entrances to the concentration camps.
      But when you add islam to the mix, what does it mean?

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 18, 2014 at 10:10 am

        Bettina, IMF’s username is meant satirically, comparing Islam to Fascism. He is a longtime poster here, and a solid Anti-Jihadist.

        • Bettina says

          Nov 18, 2014 at 2:45 pm

          Thank you, Graven. I just didn’t know how to wrap my brain around that…

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 19, 2014 at 4:50 pm

          Ironically, “Arbeit Macht Frei” didn’t originally have such a dark connotation. It was a turn-of-the-last century concept extolling the virtue of honest labor, especially meaningful work.

          It was the exact opposite of the forced and often killing labor of the death camps. The genocidal Nazis using that phrase at Auschwitz could not have been more perverse.

          But I agree with IMF—Islam “makes you free” in much the same way that Fascism does, i.e., not at all.

  8. Ha Meshuga says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 11:11 am

    An interesting read:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/12/before-the-beheadings/382244/?single_page=true

    • PRCS says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      Yes, a very good read.

  9. somehistory says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 11:22 am

    She’s better off than to be married to someone who is only concerned with outward appearance. And whose to say she was *ugly* anyway? I’ve seen women I thought were ugly and their husbands said they were the most beautiful woman they had seen. “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” it is said.

    Besides all that, he is a muslim. What woman would want to marry him, for that reason alone? No respect for her, for her feelings, wants a wife just to have children to help populate. Would be allowed to beat her if he decided she needed it or he was angry at his boss for making him do work.
    If that is his photo above, he’s no choice either, I would say.

  10. Don McKellar says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 11:26 am

    AAAIIIEEE! She has the face of the prophet himself! I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you!

    • Darren says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 12:16 pm

      So it’s like Beatle Juice say his name 3 times and boom.

      • Don McKellar says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 1:16 pm

        I hadn’t noticed the connection between Islam and Beetlejuice, but it’s there! Ha!

  11. Margarita says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Probably the husband expected his bride to be pushed in a pram-like they did for his holy Prophet’s marriage to baby Aisha.

  12. Darren says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    It was the adams apple and big hands that did it. The groom was like d*mn it if I marry another man my boyfriend will behead me.

  13. Mirren10 says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Well, maybe there’s an upside to this; it might make her realise what a load of shite islam is, and she’ll become a secret apostate, and eventually escape Saudi Arabia.

  14. Dave J says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Civilized people do something called dating prior to marriage, Muslims buy a pig in a poke. Literally, a bag or sack.

    “I will neuer bye a pyg in a poke, thers many a foul pyg in a feyr cloke”.

    Book of Proverbs, 1555.

    The mistreatment of women under Islam needs to be widely publicized (or would that be “letting the cat out of the bag”? )

    Just remember “All cats are grey in the dark” and “caveat emptor”.

    Savages.

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 3:35 pm

      Savages, lecherous retards who worship their lower heads, slaves of prurient acts, disgusting beasts…

    • Wolfgang says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 9:05 pm

      Yes but cats like Russian Blue’s make great pets…..the pervert really wanted to ” thigh ” his bride first. She should have drunk the sham sham water like Mo did…..it has magical powers.

  15. mariam rove says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Did he say it 3 times?! Otherwise it does not count!!!! M

  16. exsgtbrown says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    he said “oh mom you’re not funny”

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      🙂 🙂 🙂

  17. Al says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Apparently not looking like a goat can have its drawbacks.

  18. gerard says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Is he posting a letter?

  19. Salah says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Another Mohammedan donkey?

    Muhammad asked his donkey:
    Ya’foor, do you desire females?

    The donkey blushed and said:
    Sir! No Sir!

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/04/muhammad-and-donkey.html

  20. xsnake says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Bet Bill Clinton wishes he coulda gotten away with that one.

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 3:39 pm

      Hillary doesn’t deserve mockery of her physical looks. Without her obesity, she looked fine.

    • Darren says

      Nov 18, 2014 at 7:41 pm

      I would choose a goat over Hitlilary too. Not just because of her looks, but the goat would be better at conversation and not be so mean spirited and spiteful.

  21. duh_swami says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    ‘You’re not so beautiful to me, you’re not so beautiful to me, can’t you see? Your nothing that I dreamed of, nothing that I need, you’re not so beautiful to me’…Talaq, talaq, talaq

    Sorry toots, ‘I can’t get away to marry you today, because my other wives won’t let me’…

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 3:41 pm

      You’re really funny, Swami!

  22. Bettina says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Why, oh why don’t these fools exchange digital pics of each other? If you’re watching TV or using a camera or cell phone, you’ve already stepped out of koranic orthodoxy, so casting your eyes on a mere photo should be a given, no?
    Whassa matter with these idiots? An ounce of prevention, fools!

    • Dieter says

      Nov 18, 2014 at 9:34 am

      As a matter of fact, most do exchange photos. This could well be the case from last year where the prospective groom was shown photos of the younger and far more beautiful sister.

  23. Bezelel says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    I couldn’t warm up to a woman wearing a bag on her head. That’s asking for trouble to start with. So what does the girl do now? Out of respect for the board, i’ll spare you all my speculations.

    • Bettina says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 8:18 pm

      Bezelel, if you were one of those stinking muslim pigs, all you’d need is to warm up to your misogynistic, woman-debasing unthinking head every time you thought about what a women is supposed to be concealing under her garbage bag.
      Thus, her body would obsolesce her face — but not in this case… He wanted a raving beauty like those on Western commercials, to top an acrobatic body that promises even more than the 72 virgins, as seen in all the porn these muslims are addicted to.

      • Bezelel says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 9:28 pm

        Bettina, Since I read the article I have had a day full of possible disfigurements running through my mind that could provoke such a reaction (but I was considering a reaction from a normal man). Thank you for pointing out the difference.

  24. Bettina says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    Hello, JayBoo — I didn’t yet know who the Moroccan Brother Rashid was, so I researched him on youtube. My, what a courageous, well-spoken man!
    I’m glad you mentioned him to me here, and to your Moroccan acquaintance…

    • Jay Boo says

      Nov 18, 2014 at 12:36 am

      Hi Bettina,
      I forgot to mention that Brother Rashid was Moroccan.
      Glad you enjoyed the youtube video.

  25. scallywag says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    At present it is not necessarily understood why the groom had declined to make the time to see who he was marrying and how a failure of reflects the general antipathetic attitude towards women in the region…

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/11/saudi-husband-asks-for-divorce-seeing-brides-face/

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 5:06 pm

      Scallywag, this is probably not a case of his “not making the time”. In the most “conservative” Muslim marriages, the couple often do not even meet before the wedding, and know nothing about each other at all.

  26. gravenimage says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Saudi groom divorces bride during their wedding after seeing her face for the first time
    …………………………..

    Muslims so often try to pretend that Islam is so much less shallow and beauty-obsessed than is the West, but this is a lie.

    In an arranged or forced marriage, the groom can know nothing the bride, so looks are one of the few yardsticks that count. Very often, those betrothed don’t even meet before the “Nikah”—sometimes they don’t even meet there, as this is just an exchange of contracts between the bride’s Mehram (owner) and her husband-to-be, followed by a male-only party. The bride herself is then just delivered to the groom for deflowering.

    Even more to the point, of course, is that Muslims don’t really consider women more than maids and brood sows, so the idea that a Muslim man would put more emphasis on character than would a Western man is simply ludicrous.

    In the end, this is just more Taqiyya for Western consumption, as this story from the belly of the beast shows all too well.

  27. Champ says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    I read the headline to my hubby and he said, “What a prick!” …yep

    • Champ says

      Nov 17, 2014 at 7:03 pm

      …what!! ..I just heard that Charles Manson is probably getting married? ..well, as shocking as this news is, and as twisted and vile as Charles Manson was–and is–he will be a better husband than *any* Saudi groom, that’s for sure.

      • Bezelel says

        Nov 17, 2014 at 9:38 pm

        I heard about Charlie too. Go figure, I can’t. It is consistent with the current events, does not compute.

        • Mirren10 says

          Nov 18, 2014 at 5:52 pm

          ” … does not compute.”

          Oh, I think it does. There are many of these wicked and stupid fools, who correspond with vile murderers on death row, sending them love letters, and even marrying them.

          Look at the stupid, vile bints, who marry murdering jihadist mohammedans, such as that vicious bitch Samantha Lewthwaite.

          These women are empty, evil creatures , who seek something dramatic that will fill the vacuum that is their soul and brain.

    • Rory says

      Nov 26, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      He saved that women’s life. Period. He is a generous man to give her her life back. No honor killings here. This man did a great thing when he saved his brides life.

  28. abad says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    What was he expecting, a Kardashian?

  29. Kasey says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Again, Islam is as Islam does!

  30. Wolfgang says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    hey ! you lot are way too hard on the poor guy…..she didn’t look like his favorite camel and goat !, he takes turn’s bonking his goat and camel at the same time, ( well standing behind them he couldn’t tell the difference with his pants down could he ?

    He forgot to drink the fermented Camel P*** BEFORE lifting the veil……I have no doubt that would have cured any last minute doubts….

    I am pleasantly surprised he didn’t stone her……there maybe hope for Pislam yet.

  31. Champ says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Well, dry your eyes sweetie and thank God that you didn’t marry this narcissistic a-hole and suffer a lifetime of misery with ..him. Sounds like you were spared–for now, anyway …

  32. Alice says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    She will most likely be better off this way. I hope. Perhaps there will be a decent man willing to marry her.

  33. pumbar says

    Nov 17, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    I reckon she had a small mirror behind the veil as a joke. The guy saw his own mug and immediately divorced himself.

    • Mirren10 says

      Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 pm

      Nice one ! 🙂

  34. citycat says

    Nov 18, 2014 at 12:00 am

    A misogynistic pig is what he is.
    Beauty is skin deep, like his perception.
    He’s a shallow surface man, like Islam

    • RDO says

      Nov 26, 2014 at 10:47 am

      Beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to the bone.

  35. Pradman says

    Nov 18, 2014 at 4:30 am

    She should have had a shave before the wedding.

  36. DiMu says

    Nov 18, 2014 at 8:24 am

    What great material for a comedy!

    • Darren says

      Nov 18, 2014 at 7:44 pm

      We need a remake of the Monty Python movie called the Life of Brian. Make it the life of Abdul, pure comedy gold mine making fun of their culture.

  37. keithj says

    Nov 18, 2014 at 9:32 am

    And the POTUS says: “Respect it”

  38. ken says

    Nov 18, 2014 at 11:24 am

    I could never treat another human being the way the groom treated the bride. Very cold hearted and unloving.

    Terrible.

  39. Rich Cole says

    Nov 18, 2014 at 11:43 pm

    They call this a religion? I think not. It is a perversion. A cult of deviancy.

  40. Seabeesrule! says

    Nov 19, 2014 at 12:21 am

    A little light hearted story to ease the churning in my stomach when I read about the daily atrocities committed by the muzzrats and our traitor in CHEIF and his muslima Kerry and their banal stupid and reprehensible comments to these muslim murderers and their responses to these attacks! Then this wee gem of a story comes along and I gotta say I think that lady should feel very relieved to have gotten out that so easily.. As he was most likely expecting his favorite sister aunt or first cousin it didn’t bode well for married life with this muzzratt scum bag! Now go to your computer and hit muzzratt men mates internet dating site and start over…God what a fucked up people! Horrible horrible people!

  41. Wolfgang says

    Nov 19, 2014 at 1:06 am

    Here is a link from a Muslim professor………

    http://www.islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Muslims-Watch-Porn-Masturbation-sex-toys.htm

    explains a lot about these disgusting vile perverts……

    a short quote….

    “…..There is nothing in Islam that says that you cannot watch porn or do sex with toys. In Islam, you cannot have sex with other Muslim married women; for this, you should be stoned to death. If you have sex with unmarried Muslim girl, you will be subjected to 80 lashes. If you do get involved with another man in homosexual acts, you will be forgiven, if you repent……….

    However, you can do sex with Kafir women any way you want. You can attack the Kafirs, kill their men and then capture the women and have sex with them. You can also kidnap them and keep them as slaves as many as you want, who will do all the household work and also provide sex to you. Allah has sent down a divine sanction to Muslims for acquiring slave women for sex by waging wars against the infidels and from spoils or booty obtained from it:

    ” O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war.. [Q 33:50]

    “However, you should be able to watch porn without any restriction ”

    No wonder the men are such vile creeps…….

  42. Jen says

    Nov 24, 2014 at 6:40 am

    “Those making threats of violence will lose their right to anonymity, trolls may be kittened.”

    Instead of looking at the people (families of victims of Muslim violence like mine and others reading this blog who might not be commenting) by putting this notice up about “those making threats of violence” (I guess that would include me) losing their anonymity, why don’t you expose the identity of the people (the despicable Muslim trolls) making these beyond revolting remarks and their inexcusable defense and “cheer leading” of something so evil first and foremost? You did with a message you received recently but what about the others.

    I don’t respect that viewpoint at all, because you allow trolls to post the same crap over and over and contribute nothing but then now suggest you want to stifle people’s opinions, reflecting their raw experience with Muslim violence by telling them you’ll expose who they are, while you’ve let the Muslim trolls spam? Their comments are enlightening, only up to a point. Not when they repeat the same old garbage, each time they post and then all the other frequent posters have to repeat themselves to ‘defend against’ their revolting comments so others less wise to Islam aren’t deceived by them. If saying a revolting troll “deserves” the same fate as the other jihadists for cheering Islam on, on your site and that is as good as any “threat” of violence, you might need to think about that one a bit more before suggesting my identity or those of some others deserve to be revealed. And that trolls ‘may’ only get kittened? You could have just said simply that the views of people posting don’t necessarily represent your own. Why does that notice have the emphasis on the anti-jihad person being told to be quiet, while the Muslim trolls only *may*?

    My family have fought wars with Muslims like this, had neighbours turn on them, lived in holes in the ground for months to avoid sprays of bullets, saw severed heads of Christians with their ears cut off and dumped by the river, heads stuck on polls, huge pits of decomposed bodies- all the usual crap that we- the actual victims here- get so sick of hearing about and so tired of hearing how the media in the West (and certain blogs or ignorant Westerners generally) shield the Non-Violent Muslims Community- even some of those under the anti-jihad umbrella.
    My family are braver than any of the people who even dare to criticise anyone from their ivory tower positions while sitting in the West with little clue of reality. We’ve got balls unlike the vast majority of the individuals in that category or the ones who want to talk about this topic endlessly while they did little to stop it happening. I think I have a legitimate point about people talking about this problem too much with little action to coincide with it. Sure, it’s insulting to people but isn’t the truth always like that when you don’t want to hear it and want to excuse yourself? There shouldn’t be a nicer way of putting this – it’s the truth as far as I can see. And it’s partially the reason this problem has continued to progress. It is far too serious a problem now, to worry about ‘gently gently.’

    Relatives of mine have worked in the military on missions to stalk jihadists and their terrorist training camps and within intelligence units, so forgive me and others for not being naive, but we know that it isn’t the violent jihadists that are the main problem but the “moderate” or supposed nominal Muslims themselves who are their lifeline and who shield them by providing housing/cover when needed, food, act as informal spies, funnel money (in cash) through their mosques and large extended families- direct to the violent jihadists who use it to buy guns and bullets. Members of their military have said that their biggest tactical hurdle is the supposed nominal/cultural/moderate Muslim community. Not the jihadists who can be gunned down in combat with the military or thrown in prison for a life term if they surrender. It’s like being in a large aquarium filled with sharks. They generally don’t leave their base at all unless there are 5-6 men in the vehicle and all are armed. The ‘average Muslim’ there is not like those in the West (yet) because the tensions have brewed for a long time there and they were raised to be rough as guts, so opening fire on innocent bystanders isn’t ‘that’ big of a deal.

    Some of these non-violent jihad enablers have similar attitudes to the Muslim trolls who spam this site because they have absolutely no regard for how revolting their behaviour is and like these trolls, liken our outrage at their behaviour “hysterics” or “over-reactions” or “unfair discrimination of Muslims”- no matter what their fellow Muslims are doing. They even are so deplorable as to suggest that the presence of the military or militia is an “insult” to their Muslim community because it “suggests” that non-Muslims think all Muslims are “terrorists.” Even though, the armed men are there to protect non-Muslims AND Muslims from Muslim violence. They know this secretly but they are so disingenuous at every turn that even an act of goodwill is twisted and turned back on us, the non-Muslims, and they’re yet again, the self-declared ‘victims’. This reaction of theirs all stems from the fact that they are well aware that their Muslim community is not so innocent at all and has been complicit. We are very aware that there is a great deal of respect within the Muslim community for what jihadists have been doing. They don’t even try to hide it much. Westerners don’t know yet for sure about the situation in the West regarding the Muslim community and how they will feel when this all pans out but I’m confident that their opinions for change rapidly and no blog will bother to suppress it. So I’m not sorry I said, what I said at all. I like telling things as they are and not sugar coating anything – how much better off would the West- in regards to Muslims be if the older generations who had more to do with this problem than myself, thought this way sooner? I’ll have to live with the outcome of their stupidity and carelessness which I think gives me every right to be furious and to tell them so. I wanted the people in the UK to read what I wrote. But instead now, I will just make my own blog so I can actually freely express my opinions; no matter how “confrontational” my opinions may be.

    This is why the problem doesn’t cease. In the West, the problem with Muslims is fairly new and the Muslim community hasn’t had the opportunity to make a large enough web because the majority are first generation Westerners who had parents move to the West without their other wider family. Or were born overseas and moved with their parents. Just the parents and the kids. Or just the husband and wife. Muslim communities are tribal in their mentality. It is obvious that in the long run, their connections to terrorism will get stronger as they are more likely to know cousin such and such, who knows, uncle such and such who trained with such and such terrorist group. Passing money through to violent jihad becomes easier and less detectable in this respect as well, since they have the direct links to do it, and will not merely need to resort to the internet to make connections (which is more traceable because it’s electronic transfers of funds). Many non-violent, pro-jihad Muslims in the West are probably scared shitless of being tracked which is why the jihadists advised on their blog to stop emailing them about joining or funding terrorism and to not “like” their fan page, but merely read it without “liking” it, so as not to draw attention to themselves. That’s why the number of ‘likes’ have gone down on popular pages. Not because the interest in them has lessened in any way.
    As Muslims more commonly become second or third generation Westerners, their networks to terrorism will expand as they’ll have a wider extended family network stationed in the West itself. And as more of their family members are killed when engaging in violent jihad, it only inspires their wider family network to want to do the same. It’s pride- their family member died a ‘martyr’ and they’ll be more proud when their family becomes known for contributing to Islam by being a ‘people of martyrs’. And those individuals will be the West’s problem. Not the problem of whatever country these families originated from. The problem becomes regional. They won’t be waging violent jihad by leaving your borders, they’ll be focusing increasingly on your own back yard instead.

    Suggesting that Islam can be reformed is also naive because without taking Muhammad down from his ‘prophet’ status, and allowing Muslims to continue respecting a terrible figure (even if they need to pretend he isn’t one), you are leaving the door open for the future when another group of people may decide once again, to pump money into reviving ‘Real’ Islam and return Islam to its former glory days. This ‘religion’ is a tool for controlling a population so, by human nature alone, it is not so far fetched to think that such a group (with plenty of money- who may not be oil rich donors in future) might emerge and try to do this as part of their own selfish agenda. Muhammad should not be allowed to be respected for any reason. Nor should the Qur’an be allowed to be called a book from God. This should not be socially acceptable. The problems attributed to this ‘religion’ need to be stomped out; once and for all. Why take such a short-term outlook to anti-jihad’s cause?

    You think, knowing what I know personally about Muslim behaviour, that I should be ‘civilized’ or refrain my genuine opinions toward people who insult victims of Islam and who defend Islam on an anti-jihad site- repeatedly? They’re rubbing their savagery and arrogant Islamic-derived attitudes in the face of the families of victims who may come across your website. Almost every family who has fallen victim to Muslim violence feels anger to the extent that I do. The ones in the West may not, because they probably don’t know enough about general Muslim attitudes because they didn’t grow up with enough Muslims in the context of a Muslim/Non-Muslim conflict. They’re more likely to think its a “tiny minority” supporting this. The victims and their families are more YOUR genuine supporters (or could have been) than the trolls which you have let to parade and who only ‘may’ get kittened. Sorry, I don’t agree with this outlook so I won’t be posting on or visiting this blog.

    Expose the non-violent troll defenders of Islam/jihad more often so that doing so in the West becomes normalized; don’t look first to the angry people from victim’s families by suggesting they should have their anonymity revoked for speaking their mind after being insulted repeatedly by trolls on your site. Unless of course, you just don’t want it on your blog which is fine- hence why I’m making my own project. It’s not as if the comments though were even that terrible to anyone who doesn’t shy away from reality. People just need to grow a pair. There will be more people in the West who fall into the victim category and who think like me as time progresses. The West still has such naive attitudes in general, which only supports a naive and dangerous approach to tackling the problem by the leaders themselves. Westerners in general, I would say, took their ability to speak freely for granted. Now this is being eroded, and they’re complaining about the problem that they could have done something about before it came to this. Insulting? Yeah. But true, I believe. I like to look at this problem on a ground level- not from a high level which doesn’t have enough practical use. People are going to be living inside the problem in their neighbourhoods in future, not reading about it happening in a town far away from them.

  43. Juhn says

    Dec 14, 2014 at 12:23 am

    I am not rude and I don’t look at a woman’s beauty, but I am interested on seeing her face. Can’t see, is there a site where I see this woman’s face? I am curious.

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