This is, of course, utter nonsense, but it has an insidious edge. Islamic doctrine holds that any land once held by Muslims belongs by right to Muslims forever: “Drive them out from where they drove you out” (Qur’an 2:190). So on the basis of this claim, if it became widespread belief (and given the corruption of our educational system, it could), Muslims could begin to claim that America was Muslim land, as they claim that Israel and Spain are Muslim land.
“Muslims found Americas before Columbus says Turkey’s Erdogan,” BBC, November 15, 2014 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Muslims discovered the Americas more than three centuries before Christopher Columbus, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said.
He made the claim during a conference of Latin American Muslim leaders in Istanbul, pointing to a diary entry in which Columbus mentioned a mosque on a hill in Cuba.
Mr Erdogan also said “Muslim sailors arrived in America in 1178”.
He said he was willing to build a mosque at the site Columbus identified….
But in a disputed article published in 1996, historian Youssef Mroueh said Columbus’ entry was proof that Muslims had reached the Americas first and that “the religion of Islam was widespread”.
However many scholars believe the reference is metaphorical, describing an aspect of the mountain that resembled part of a mosque.
No Islamic structures have been found in America that pre-date Columbus.Mr Erdogan said he thought “a mosque would go perfectly on the hill today” and that he would like to discuss building this with Cuba.
The first people to reach the Americas came from Asia. They are believed to have crossed the Bering Strait about 15,000 years ago.
The first European visitors to North America are widely thought to have been Norse explorers, about 500 years before Columbus.
jr says
and what are the names of these muslims that discovered america and where is the evidence?
Tradewinds says
None and None.
sheik yer'mami says
Since when does allah need evidence?
Darren says
He got some good sh*t from his boy Abdul and word on the street is it was some Mowie Wowie. Even savages know infidels grow the best sh*t. He is as embarrassed of admitting he lives a decedent western life style in secret, just like the Saudi princes and princlings are of telling their populace and the muslim world they like coke and hooker like any other evil infidel.
Peter says
Gobble, Gobble, Gobble – Erdogan is a turkey.
epistemology says
lol, well said
epistemology says
You’ve got a very good point here. They always claim everything. When the Spanish arrived in Mexico, they mistook the Aztec temples for mosques. Could have happened with Columbus as well.
But Erdogaga is right, muzzies discovered an awful lot of things, and the rest of the world envies them.
Arjay says
@epistemology. Not possible with Columbus. The Conquistadors did get to see the Aztec Empire. However, Columbus did not. When he arrived in the New World he spent his entire time in the Caribbean Islands- where the Aztecs had not colonized or had any structures built there.
john spielman says
Golly! you must be correct! Aztecs must have been muslims, and their temples were mosques!This explains all the atrocities that Aztecs did, what with cutting the hearts out of living captured foreign fighters and sacrificing them to their god. Their god must have been allah of islam because allah loves and demands human blood sacrifices. Just see what ISIS( which is islam in its most pure form) is doing!
Kenny says
Yes, but the Aztecs obviously also ‘misunderstood’, what they were doing.
Kepha says
Islam–the religion of complete and total misunderstanding.
john spielman says
yes,muslims did discover a lot of things, like using stones instead of toilet paper!
The vilest of Creatures says
There is extensive proof that Muslims discovered and first vistited the ex-planet Pluto. Now, we need them to ALL go there to defend it and make sure the Klingons or the Romulans don’t try to steal it from them.
Tradewinds says
Heh!
Darren says
I think the enemy is actually the evil OverJew that has a hivemind with all of the lesser jews under it’s control. Yes if it sounds like I am trying to rip off an idea from Starcraft you sir would be right. The Overjew also has reptilian allies. They are Reptilian Rabbi’s from Remulak bent on intergalactic conquest. The only ones who can stop this intergalactic invasion are the muslim nations with their advanced space program aided by NASA. As you know making sure muslim rockets are more accurate against jewish civilians is the new mission statement of NASA.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Haha… Nice one!
gravenimage says
Guys, epistemology is being sarcastic here.
epistemology says
Thanks Graven, you know me. You can find lots of discoveries and inventions in the Koran, such as the theory of relativity, the big bang and quantum mechanics. As soon as scientists discover how to reconcile relativity with quantum mechanics you’ll find that too, but not before. The Koran is a very mystic book and gives a lot of room for misinterpretation. Westerners aren’t able to understand it.
Wellington says
And let’s nor forget, epistemology, that the universe’s strong and weak forces are also mentioned in the Koran, as well as electromagnetism and gravity. Right now, though, the specific Suras escape me where they are noted, but then I’m just a poor, ignorant dhimmi who is still far away from comprehending even half the truths that can be found in that most perfect book of all time.
And if the universe turns out to be just a small part of a multiverse (which increasingly seems the case), then I’m sure the Koran somewhere has mention of this too. After all, the Koran is perfect in every way and existed in classical Arabic even before time was created by Allah. And anyone publicly doubting this before a group of devout Muslims deserves to be killed by followers of the religion that just oozes peace and tolerance.
Yes, mocking evil is the next best thing to crushing it. Mock away I say where Islam and its warped founder is concerned. Laugh this damn religion and its Model Man into the oblivion they so heartily deserve.
Hope you’re doing well, my across-the-pond friend. Long live Israel. Long live Western Civilization. Long live good beer. Short live Islam (the shorter the better).
gravenimage says
Hilarious, Epistemology and Wellington!
Hope you are both doing well.
BanIslam says
Erdogan is nothing back a Turkish redneck.
He has insulted humanity by converting the Hagia Sophia back into a mosque. The best thing for the west to do would be to create a united Kurdistan in the region between Turkey, Iraq & Syria. The Kurds have been bashed up by the surrounding muzzie caliphates that consider themselves pure arabs or higher class muslims.
Darren says
I agree. The fact Israel has relations with them is telling as well. Support and arm the two moderate forces in the region. I feel bad for the secular turks, sorry the little Napoleon supported by the rural savages is such a douche. He is purging his military of secular officers just like Obama, kind of ironic. I guess muslims use similar tactics no matter where they reside.
mortimer says
Erdogan is er…d’oh…gaga.
mortimer says
The new building will no doubt resemble Hagia Sofia…a triumphal mosque.
Tradewinds says
Mosks = Jihad Centers.
shabeer_hassan says
SPANISH FORCED CONVERSION
After the end of the Islamic control of Spain, Muslims and Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497.[7] After the Reconquista, so called “New Christians” were those inhabitants (Sephardic Jews or Mudéjar Muslims) during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern Era who were baptized under coercion and in the face of murder, becoming forced converts from Islam (Moriscos, Conversos and secret Moors) and forced converts from Judaism (Conversos, Crypto-Jews and Marranos). Then the Spanish Inquisition targeted primarily forced converts from Judaism who came under suspicion of either continuing to adhere to their old religion or of having fallen back into it. Jewish conversos still resided in Spain and often hiddenly (cryptically) practiced Judaism and were suspected by the “Old Christians” of being Crypto-Jews. The Spanish Inquisition generated much wealth and income for the church and individual inquisitors by confiscating the property of the persecutees or selling them into slavery. The end of the Al-Andalus and the expulsion of the Sephardic Jews from the Iberian Peninsula went hand in hand with the increase of Spanish-Portugal influence in the world, as exemplified in the Christian conquest of the Americas and their aboriginal Indian population. The Ottoman empire, the Netherlands, and the New World absorbed much of the Jewish refugees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion
john spielman says
your message has NOTHING to do with Erdogan claiming muslims discovered the ” New World” Erdogan is lying just like your false prophet muhammed was a liar (and thief and mass murderer, misogynist and demon possessed pedophile)!
Paul Hoffman says
Don’t forget that the first Mahoundian was supposedly the biblical Adam, and not Mahound himself. We are all Mahoundians, whether we realize it or not. Even though Erdogan did not mention this, it may be a part of his thinking.
Exsaint says
Nice attempt at taqiyya, Shabeer!
If you actually want anyone to believe and support that horse poop you should post it at Huffington Post or some other lefty website.
Arjay says
Seriously… you quote Wikipedia? For librarians, archivists, researchers, museum staff and scientists… this is not the most reliable source. But never mind that…
Yes, there was persecution and expulsion of Jews from Spain over 500 years ago. HOWEVER, keep in mind muzz-maggot that it was 500 YEARS AGO. Islam on the other hand has been expelling populations OR forcing them to flee for their lives for 1400 years. Islamic caused refugees and expulsions are causing untold misery in the world today.
Spain has also APOLOGIZED for the expulsion of Spanish Jewry and has INVITED THEIR DESCENDANTS BACK TO SPAIN.
So, when are the muzz slime going to invite back the Jews expelled from Middle East lands in 1948-49? Or the Christians who fled Lebanon in the 1970s and early ’80s? Same for the Hindus that have fled Pakistan and Bangladesh… or face lives of harassment, dhimmitude and deprivation caused by Islam. For the first time in centuries there are no Christians in Mosul, Iraq and the Pagan/Animist black Africans are either expelled or enslaved in Sudan.
So… this is not CENTURIES AGO… THIS IS RECENT AND MODERN HISTORY… so when are the Muzz pukes going to play nice with Jews, Christians, Hindus and Pagans?
Oh, and back to the Spanish Jews and the Crypto Jews… the language of these people, a unique Jewish language Ladino is thriving again. Crypto Jews have organizations and cultlural associations where throughout the Americas they are re-claiming their Jewish heritage… with the support of many Jewish (including Spanish & Portuguese Jewish) people. There is regret in the Western World on what happened to them… over 500 years ago. Oh, and such things are NOT, repeat NOT happening to the IN THE NOW.
Is there regret on the atrocities CAUSED BY MUZZ MAGGOTS 500 YEARS AGO? Or is their even time to “have regret” since so many Muzz atrocities are happening “NOW.”
And the reason there was no regret about the Muslim expulsion or Muslims who had to hide identity… was that the “Spanish Golden Age Under Muslims” is A FACTUAL AND HISTORICAL LIE. The Muslims took credit for the accomplishments of Spanish Christendom and Jewry. Muslims treatment of the native populace was horrible. Sex slavery, murders, taking Christian and Jewish wealth…
There is a fake history that perpetuates the lie that the Islamic occupation of Spain was a “good thing.”
As an American Indian… I am very much aware to the hardships and atrocities that took place as the Europeans and Africans began to arrive after 1492.
YES, I know about the Vikings in the present day Canadian Maritime Provinces.. but it was with Columbus that initiated the ongoing and unbroken “Columbian Exchange” that continues to this day.
Yes, as an American Indian I know what happened. I also, know the Americas went through transformation after transformation. “New” ethnic groups formed… black Americans became Americans… the different Brazilian black ethnic groups… the Creoles throughout the Caribbean and Louisiana… the Cajuns, French-Canadian Quebecois… the White Appalachian, and of course the Hispanic People came into being.
The Americas (including the Caribbean) today is mix of different races, colors and religions. (Islam by the way is not a religion but a political death cult). Most of the states have some form of democracy and their tends to be prosperity and stability.
This has not come easy. But the Americas are very much in the zone of Western Civilization. The United States and Canada leading the way for their fellow American/Western Hemisphere States.
Many of the tragedies that shaped us are so thankfully, in the past. Blood has been spilled in various conflicts including two World Wars (which Muslims played a part on the side of the bad guys). The Western Hemisphere has moved forward.
AND IT HAS NOT BEEN BECAUSE OF ISLAM.
So, as an American Indian… NEVER you sleaze muzz maggot invoke or mention American Indian suffering… and do so to establish some kind of “moral equivalence” between Islam and the Western Hemisphere with a “see we all have done violent things” line of bullshit.
For Indigenous people of the USA and Canada… we no longer have the Army going into Indian communities to confiscate children for boarding schools or to shoot us outright or burn down our buildings. That is in the past.
Islam however, sends its armies and terrorists into non-Muslim communities and confiscate children for rape and pedophilia marriages… send the adults in slavery… behead and crucify them… burn down churches with people inside… shoot up schools… destroy temples… THAT IS THE ISLAMIC PAST.
AND THAT IS THE CURRENT ISLAMIC PRESENT DAY.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Epic post, Arjay.
Sure to offend the pedophile loving Muzz Maggots, who get are offended by everything. The world’s biggest crybabies.
Tradewinds says
Oh shut up with your Muslim balderdash, Muslim.
gravenimage says
More obfuscation and distraction from Taqiyya artist shabeer hassan.
Bezelel says
shabeer, I can copy and paste too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower
The Turks are not known for their humanitarian nature.
TH says
Anyone with a minimum of common sense realizes that even today it is impossible for any Western country to integrate muslims into it. That was even more obvious in the aftermath of the conquest of Granada in 1492. In fact, the Catholic monarches gave them generous terms of peace, but later it became clear that there was no way that the moriscos would integrate and become peaceful citizens of a Christian country, that there was no other option than that of expelling them. Of course, many of them had already gone to North Africa and dedicated themselves to piracy and converting Christians into slaves. Cervantes was one such slave. Several religious orders were founded with the mission of rescueing Chritians from slavery in North Africa, including the Trinitarians who helped free Cervantes. Of course, Cervantes fought the Turks in the Battle of Lepanto and was left with one arm injured .
As for the expulsion of the Jews from Spain, it is not commonly known that many of them had gone there after beng expelled from France and England previously. In Spain they were not citizens, but guests there thanks to the good will of the king. After 8 centuries of the Reconquista it seemed to Spaniards that in order to maintain the unity of their country as a Christian nation recently unified, that there was no place in it either for muslims or Jews. It is absolutley silly to retroproject back to the 15th centuries the failed notions of multicultural ism.
As for the Inquisition accumulating riches,there is no proof of such a claim. Nor is it true that there were conversions under threat of death. Many Jews did convert, and muslims, but some were not sincere. Such conversions which were the product of pressure are not in accordance with Christian teachng. The Inquisition busied itslef rooring out such people. However, the notion that the Inqusition killed million of people is absolutely false. It did persecute people and committed excesses persecuting even Cardinals. Whilst not defending it, it is clear that it is one of the most vilified institutions in history and the object of a mountain of lies. Of course, there are serious studies about it and they give the lie to most of the exaggerated claims about it. Some good also came out of the Inquisition,as Spain was ab
Jay Boo says
shabeer_hassan
If a Muslim, say Muhammad for example is commanded by Allah to sleep with his beautiful daughter-in-law from his freed-slave adopted son by way of divine revelation should he comply or tell Allah this is morally wrong?
pumbar says
Sit down and have a (sha)beer.
Eric says
A system should not be judged by it’s abuses but by it’s founder. Need I say more.
Kepha says
Nonsense, shabeer. Post-Reconquista Spain was only exercising a bit of revolutionary catharsis a few centuries before Franz Fanon was even born–or even Fanon’s mentor Marx. After a few centuries of brutal Islamic colonialism, they’d simply decided they’d had enough and reclaimed their human dignity.
Granted, Spain did learn a few things from the Muslims. The codes the Spanish and the Portuguese set up for their Indian and Black subject peoples in the Americas (which a lot of the rest of the West copied later) back in the late 1400’s and 1500’s are very much like the rules you folks set up for Dhimmi peoples. So, now, after you’uns have been whining about evil Western colonialism for most of the 19th and 20th centuries, why don’t you take a look at what you put the Iberian and Balkan peoples through, then, in the words of one you see as a prophet, take the log out of your own eye before going after the speck in that of your neighbor?
After all, tu quoque: the Almohads and Almoravids practiced forced conversion, as did both the Selcuk and Ottoman Turks and numerous other Muslim rulers. Maybe it’s time you in the Dar-al-Islam engaged in a bit of soul-searching over your own record.
somehistory says
When I read the headline, several thoughts came immediately to mind.
One, muslims couldn’t have discovered America before Columbus. Even if he could back up his claim that muslims got here first, neither *discovered* America as it wasn’t named at that time, *America.* They would have given it some other name that would have turned up someplace in some book by this time. They wouldn’t have waited for Mr. Vespucci, who many believe supplied a name later used for the continents.
The other thoughts were in the form of songs: What Kind of Fool Do You think I am?, Fools Rush In, and What Kind of Fool Am I?
The only *fools* who will believe any of what he claims are muslims who wish it were true and already think they have the only rights to any thing, any place and any life.
But that is the very *reason* for his claim. He would like to strike terror into the hearts of all who still live with any modicum of freedom… just like all the others who have swallowed islam hook, line and sinker.
jewdog says
The Ottoman Vampire’s claim may have some legitimacy as the historical record shows that Columbus encountered Caribs and some violent Taino Indians who would decapitate and dismember their enemies and cook the body parts. Unfortunately, there are no surviving videos to substantiate the practices.
Kenny says
Of course he wants to build a mosque in Cuba, it’s called triumphalism!
It should appeal to Castro though, he also likes inhuman tyranny.
Richard James says
Usually when muslims claim they discovered the Americas they usually cite the bogus “evidence” that in South and Central America, and in the South-western USA there are lots of places with arabic-derived words like Guad (=Wadi) in their names.
Of course these hispanic names have nothing to do with the presence of Islam in the Americas before Columbus but are instead proof of the muslim invasion and occupation of the Spanish Peninsula and the corruption of the hispanic languages by arabic.
But as we well know, muslims are liars and deceivers, and they do not argue by reason or real evidence but by bullshitting.
Kenny says
How long before we’re forced to believe this bollocks and revise history accordingly?
It’s entirely possible. Remember the tactic. Tell a lie, make it a big lie and then repeat it constantly, throw in a little ‘Islamophobia if you don’t believe it’, then voila! History ‘corrected’!
Darren says
Don’t give the Pentagon anymore ideas, it’s bad enough.
voegelinian says
Republican former Governor of Texas is right on it (with the help of his Muslim friend, the Aga Khan)!
Arjay says
As an American Indian- I have heard this line of crap often from muzz maggots. And yes, they are setting the stage for their ability to “lay claim” to the Americas as Muslim land where anything and everything is to be under their control.
They also view American Indians and the the other Indigenous peoples of the Americas as lapsed Muslims that need to be brought back under the fold of Islam. And it isn’t just the Americas… it is Spain, Israel, Eastern Europe, Russia, China, New Zealand, Australia… etcetera. I have Muslims tell me that Indigenous peoples in other places like the Maori of New Zealand or the Aboriginals of Australia are also “really Muslims” and if they don’t re-accept Islam there will be consequences for the them just like how American Indians, Alaskan/Canadian Inuit, Metis and Canadian (First Nations) Indians will face penalties if we REJECT ISLAM YET AGAIN. Note the “yet again” part.
However, Muslims are the invading outside force. Even in Saudi Arabia… remember it used to be Arabic Pagan… AND ARABIAN PENINSULA JEWISH
Arjay says
Oops I hit “post comment” too soon. My full post is below.
Mark says
There is growing sentiment that the Eastern N American continent was settled entirely separately from the Pacific NW. The theory is that they came across from the scandinavian arctic following the southern edge of the ice sheet, fishing and hunting aquatic mammals along the way, eventually ending up in N Am. Native American remains have been found in western S America as old as (presumably) 20,000 yrs, which means that the Bering Land Bridge migration was one of the later migrations. fwiw.
Salah says
“Muslims discovered the Americas more than three centuries before Christopher Columbus.”
Of course they did, they’ve also discovered that the sun sets in a muddy pool, and that it’ll eventually rise … in the west!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2013/06/islamic-astronomy.html
abad says
The only “ships” Muslims ever sailed back then were camels (ships of the desert) and last I checked one cannot sail a camel across the Atlantic.
Darren says
I’m going to use that joke in the near future to p*ss off some more savages. If I can’t make at least one savage mad a day I consider the day unfulfilled. You win the funniest comment of the day award on the interwebs well done sir well done.
Bezelel says
I’m not so sure that you’re joking.
Darren says
It could indeed be a fact you’re right, nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to the death cult and it’s pedophile prophet.
voegelinian says
Actually, Muslims pioneered piracy on the high seas (and coasts), which they practiced for centuries, beginning well before 1492.
Bezelel says
muzzy pirates riding the waves on seamen filled camels?
pumbar says
Well, if you believe that moHAMhead flew to heaven on a winged donkey called Buraq then you’re pretty much open to anything really.
Beagle says
Obviously Erdogan is crazy, but I love this subject.
Has everyone seen the Vero Beach mammoth carving?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090610-oldest-art-mammoth-picture.html
Fr. Basil says
Actually, St. Brendan and his disciples reached the New World in the 500’s, which is centuries before there were mahometans or mahometanism.
And wherever Christians land on is Christian forever.
Arjay says
As an American Indian- I have heard this line of crap often from muzz maggots. And yes, they are setting the stage for their ability to “lay claim” to the Americas as Muslim land where anything and everything is to be under their control.
They also view American Indians and the the other Indigenous peoples of the Americas as lapsed Muslims that need to be brought back under the fold of Islam. And it isn’t just the Americas… it is Spain, Israel, Eastern Europe, Russia, China, New Zealand, Australia… etcetera. I have Muslims tell me that Indigenous peoples in other places like the Maori of New Zealand or the Aboriginals of Australia are also “really Muslims” and if they don’t re-accept Islam there will be consequences for the them just like how American Indians, Alaskan/Canadian Inuit, Metis and Canadian (First Nations) Indians will face penalties if we REJECT ISLAM YET AGAIN. Note the “yet again” part.
However, Muslims are the invading outside force. Even in Saudi Arabia… remember it used to be Arabic Pagan… AND ARABIAN PENINSULA JEWISH and it was only after Mo’s bloodthirsty genocide practicing hordes slaughtered the Jews and took Jewish women as harem sex slaves… was the NATIVE Jewish presence in Saudi Arabia removed.
Say… maybe Jewish Israel should take back their Jewish lands from Saudi Arabia?
Anytime someone plants a tree in Israel or repairs a basement or road or constructs a new office building… more and more JEWISH antiquities are uncovered. And MORE AND MORE MUZZ THEN VANDALIZE OR DESTROY proof of this Jewish presence in ancient Israel.
Same thing happens in Saudi Arabia with pre-Islamic pagan Arabic culture being uncovered… only to be destroyed immediately.
However, it is not just historic site being obliterated… or taken over like the Hagia Sophia (the Christian Cathedral taken over as a mosque and now most Muslims believe IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN A MOSQUE WHEN IT WAS NOT)…
Muzz of course in their own nations… but now with their influence in the West are altering histories that go into books- children’s books, school textbooks, adult history books… even films and documentaries to show only the distorted Muslim supremacist views of history and the world. Maps, atlases and globes are also being altered to support the muzz view so they don’t get “offended.”
Same thing for MUSEUMS. Pamela Geller (and maybe JW as well) had a post some months back how the Royal Museum in London was removing placards and labels on history exhibits and artifacts… TO REPLACE “ISRAEL” WITH THE WORD PALESTINE. I have friends in archaeology and anthropology and art historian fields… and they say this is getting more and more common.
Then of course you have the USA under Obama’s direction… divert NASA’s goal of space exploration with a “mission” to make Muzz maggots feel all touchy good and fuzzy warm about “great Muslim achievements” in math, medicine, invention and science.”
As someone where History of Science has been a special interest in my personal and professional life… I can say this 100%.
That initiatives to promote how Muzz have been important in those fields is totally false and misleading. They are lies. Just like Muzz being discoverers of America is a lie… that Muzz are native people of Spain or Israel is a lie… that changing Museum exhibits or textbooks to show muzz supremacy is WRONG because it is based on lies.
Some years back… as an American Indian who got sick and tired of a muzz colleague boasting how American Indians are really muslim and Muzz discovered America… I “set him up.” I met in advance with other Indian friends to “by chance run into me and muzzie at a pow wow that I was going to take him to.”
We had him unknowingly touch wild boar (pig) parts, he met an American Indian Jewess, he was also surrounded by pork based foods, his eyes popped out of his over the intensity of the devotion to our American Indian military veterans… and how American Indian women were very independent and did not defer to men… and most of all…
He definitely could not intimidate these large muscular American Indian men in their traditional regalia. There were pow wow rules he needed to follow and Indian men AND WOMEN had NO qualms in telling him what he needed to do.
It was PRICELESS.
However, since then I am seeing more and more American Indians drinking the Kool-Aid of Muzz victimhood, supremacy and even the line of Muzz are Indigenous people to America, that they discovered America and how we American Indians are lapsed muzzies. It is like a landslide that is gaining momentum… and in this muzz apologist and put them on pedestal America… I am horrified that this is happening.
There are many American Indian, Metis, Chamorro, Inuit (Eskimo) and Native Hawaiian people who are trying to stop this muzz incursions into Native America… but it is like trying to stop a rising tide. But we will continue to try to stop this horror.
Oh, and I always state this… when I was a youngster and the Elders told us tales and stories of our peoples… stories and tales handed down for countless generations… I have never heard an American Indian story where the Natives mentioned were named Mohammed, Fatima, Akbar or Farouk.
Darren says
It saddens me to think if these demons win how many rich cultures with long histories will be wiped out. They have already done a lot of damage to any area who’s native inhabitants they wiped out. Islam is the antethisis to human civilization. They remind me of the ball of death in the movie the Fifth Element.
Arjay says
Darren…
RIGHT ON! The Fifth Element “ball of death” reference was great! I might add Milla Jovovich, Chris Tucker, Gary Oldham and Bruce Wilis were at their best in that flick.
And as a “fanboy” of sci fi, horror, fantasy, comic, etcetera… I am getting annoyed at the way Muzzies are heroes victimized by Islamaphobes. Just saying.
Darren says
I hated Christ Tucker’s character those Jar Jar Binks characters make me cringe. The rest of what you said though I agree. It was a very original movie, I love sci fi stories as well.
Darren says
Another two things the death cult can’t appreciate art and beauty. They wish to tear down not create.
Arjay says
Darren… I agree with your comment 100% about muzzmaggots being demonic and destroying countless cultures. Keep in mind how different the world would have been…
If Western Europe never had mass muzz immigration in the latter half of the 20th century…
If the Muzz had not participated in and cooperated with Nazis during WWII…
If 1/3 one-third of the World War One Central Powers HAD NOT been a Muzlim Empire who slaughtered Armenians and battled Australians and New Zealanders…
If Afghanistan would have remained Buddhist…
Or if Saudi Arabia remained pagan AND JEWISH…
I could go on and on and on…
With 1400 years of muzz destruction and mass murder… it is so frustrating that there are still non-Muslims who want to embrace this destruction.
dumbledoresarmy says
“Islam is the antethisis to human civilization. They remind me of the ball of death in the movie the Fifth Element.”
Not a bad analogy.
And the other thing the Ummah resembles is the “Nothing” that starts devouring Fantastica in the children’s movie, “The Neverending Story”.
Darren says
I loved that movie as a kid, brings back good memories.
gravenimage says
Not an original observation on my part, but the Borg from Star Trek make a pretty good analogy for Islam, as well.
gravenimage says
great post, Arjay.
Arjay says
Thank you, gravenimage. I find your posts informative and great at exposing Islam danger to the world.
gravenimage says
Thank you so much, Arjay. That means a great deal to me.
BlueRaven says
The whole of the Islamic history has more holes in it than a big lump of Swiss cheese. Islam is its own enemy. They take any statement at its face value when they perceive it furthers the agenda of Islam. They never ever try to find out the BS factor which in their case is usually very close to 100%. Their whole idea about they created this and all that is utterly absurd. I have never heard any other religious groups claiming the Christian or Jewish or Hinduish invented this or that or what have you.
In order to sail to America, someone needed to have measured distance and bearings. The idea about time is critical in this case. The Mohamedians had no idea about time. There are no evidence in Islam about measuring how long it can take to go from A to B. Columbus of course used lots of measurements and kept a good record of it.
Mohamedians could have never discovered the Americas because they believed the Earth was flat therefore you will fall off it, period.
Turkey’s top dog is full of bull.
Saycheese says
The only thing Muslims invented was burping and talking out of their arse after a meal.
Jay Boo says
This is to be expected.
Muslims even claim that Abraham was a Muslim through the use of Islamic revisionism of history.
History is whatever a Muslim wants it to be,
Wellington says
“History is whatever a Muslim wants it to be.”
Yes, quite true, Jay Boo. It sums things up perfectly in this regard and demonstrates again that Muslims function is a world of illusion.
Well, if you can believe that a seventh-century Arab merchant who exhibited psychopathic, narcissistic and pedophiliac tratits is the last and greatest of the prophets and the Model Man, then anything is possible.
Jay Boo says
“last and greatest of the prophets ”
Wellington
Of course that would be just one of Muhammad’s many self-serving revelations.
Rob says
Then according to Muslims, the descendants of Napoleon’s army of 1812, are entitled to claim Russia.
Steffen Larsen says
They are entitled to Egypt as well. “Forward! Remember that from those monuments yonder forty centuries look down upon you.”
Steffen Larsen says
On behalf of Scandinavia entire I claim the Americas for ourselves. There is very, very little doubt that a small Norse settlement existed for a few years, before 1178, and therefore the Muslim claim is utterly bogus.
Darren says
As a Scandinavian I have to ask how are you enjoying the show Vikings? How accurate of is their portrayal of the Viking culture? I’ve always loved stories about the Vikings and that time period. Doesn’t the islamic paradise of 72 virgins for dying in battle remind you a little of Valhalla? Though Vikings believed dying in battle not blowing yourself up to kill civilians would get you to paradise.
Petey says
YOU ARE WELCOME to come to Canada, muzzies are not!
Darren says
Is this what NASA is teaching people these days with their new mission on muslim outreach? I thought the muslim outreach was simply to make muslim rockets more accurate so they could hit jewish civilians better. I didn’t know they moved on to teaching history as well.
Darren says
It wouldn’t surprise me, I mean we all know how advanced the muslim space programs of the world are, just ask NASA they will be quick to tell you all the contributions muslims have made to the scientific community.
Darren says
You know things like claiming credit for inventing modern math, when it was actually infidels who did, things like that. Though according to NASA muslims invented science. Muslims are the future and will boldly go where no man has gone before, like the phone caller in this video.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/07/wide-anus-for-allah-anus-large-pour.html
Nicu says
Erdogan , the Hitler from Bosporus ! Insane and pwer driven like him .
Muslims cannot even live in peace or build cities and THEY had discovered America and fought the Native Americans who were wise and strong people ?
What a ridiculous joke !
Atikva says
Obviously, we ignorant Westerners have no idea how deeply the muslims have enriched the fields of Science and History. I wonder how come the Western world hasn’t recognized yet their wondrous achievements – envy, no doubt!
On the scientific side, they have demonstrated that the earth is flat, that the sun is smaller than the earth (Iraq); that cancer can be cured with camel urine (Saudi Arabia); that the kidney powder of lizard sagangor cures impotence (Saudi Arabia), that women’ indecent clothing causes earthquakes (Iran); they have found a cure for AIDS (Egypt); and God knows what else.
On the historical side, their contribution is already invaluable:
dispelling the Zionist myth about “the holocaust”;
discovering the real muslim founding fathers of Judea, Samaria, Galilee and Jerusalem;
revealing the Al-Durrah murder;
uncovering the Jenin massacre;
and most importantly: revealing “the Palestinian” people ” (*).
Now, with this latest discovery about muslims founding America before Columbus, before the Vikings, they are crowning their incredible (literally) achievements in the field of history. And the list is not closed, surely there will be more pearls to come.
(*) Now there seems to be some controversy on the matter. For instance, Zahir Muhsein, a PLO Executive Committee member born in Judea (the country of the Jews) who claimed to be a Palestinian, contradicted himself radically in 1977 when he said during an interview:
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.
For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”
Darren says
I still can’t forgive them for trying to take credit for modern math. Trying to take credit for other brilliant people’s works is what muslims do best. since their ideology destroys it doesn’t create. For those of us who want humanity to move forward islam is the antithesis of what we believe and stand for.
R Cole says
It seems that Erdogan not only wants the Americas he wants Syria as well!!
And that is where the Obama administration seems to be sliding toward – the removal of the Syrian leader – on behest the Turkish [and Sunni Arab states]. Only, like Libya who will control it. The Turkish have already shown a reluctance to go after IS.
It seems that the prerequisite for being in charge of US policy on the Islamic world – is to be completely clueless.
For now at least – we can be sure there will be no little mosques on the hill anywhere in Cuba.
The scent of conquest must be in the air over there ~ no doubt.
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It should be our policy – if we are ‘reaching out to Islam’ – that we should demand something in return!!
Outside of more mosques – built in our countries – while churches are destroyed and their land seized in theirs! Which is the current deal.
Mixlplik says
Years ago a Muslim “revert” named Mikhail posted here on Jihadwatch, that since Islamic doctrine holds all people are born Muslim (hence the idea of reversion), all lands on Earth populated by people are already Muslim, and therefore American Indians were technically Islamic.
Truly evil, this logic.
gravenimage says
Actually, the actions of Muslims *were* instrumental in the European discovery of the Americas, in two ways:
Firstly, it is no coincidence that Spain funded Columbus’s voyage in 1492—Ferdinand and Isabella had just ousted the last of the Mohammedans from their country, which had fought and suffered under Muslim oppression *for over 700 years*. They were finally free to pursue their own goals free of the Mohammedan yoke.
The other point is that was also no coincidence that Columbus’s goal was to find another route to the Indies. This wasn’t just hoping for a shorter route, as many of us were taught—it was to find a route that was not blocked by Muslims.
Europeans had to buy from Muslim traders, who outrageously marked up the prices on spices and other goods from the East—and that’s when Europeans could get them at all.
So these are two factors by which Muslims “contributed” to the European discovery of the New World—but not in the way Erdogan would have you think…
By the way, where did he get the 1178 date? He claims there are “contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century”.
What does he base this on? There is an obscure Chinese paper known as the Sung Document, which recounts the voyage of possibly Muslim sailors to a land known as Mu-Lan-Pi.
There is no reason—or evidence—to support the idea that Mu-Lan-Pi was the Americas. It has been claimed that this was California—even though no ship at the time, Arab or otherwise, would have been able to cross the Pacific and back. Previously, very differently, Mu-Lan-Pi has been identified as Spain—which would, of course, present a very different situation. The mere fact that there can be two such disparate interpretations shows how little documentation there is in this paper. Throw in Erdogan’s claim the Mu-Lan-Pi is “Latin America”, and it becomes even more ridiculous.
By the way, the Sung Document itself may well be a forgery.
But what do Mohammedans care about logic, reason, or genuine scholarship?
TH says
Edrogan has just built himself a thousand room palace in Istanbul. One wonders if he is not paving the way to become the real Caliph in the future. I suppose he will be able to claim descent from Mahommad, like he claims that msulims discovered America.
Turkey is a vey dangerous islamic country as it has the most powerful army of any muslim state. With a guy like Edrogan running it, one wonders how things wil pan out.
voegelinian says
It’s not out of the question that Muslims reached the Americas: they had developed shipfaring for centuries before Columbus, mostly for their seaborne terrorism of piracy and coastline razzias; and they certainly had a lust for conquest & expansionism fueled by a religious fanaticism. The one thing they lacked was the talent for developing navigation (the seafaring they’d already developed for piracy was done on the backs of dhimmis and recent converts from among the Christians, Jews, Persians and Indians) — and crossing the Atlantic (or Pacific) required considerably more technological and scientific talent than needed for merely careering back and forth from Gibraltar to the Levant attacking ships and coastal villages. To be plausible, Muslims would have had to have abducted Westerners talented in the requisite sciences of navigation and the progressing technology of shipbuilding and pressed them into service. Where’s the evidence this actually happened?
P.S.: Had Muslims discovered America instead of the Europeans, we can be sure the indigenous populations (at least the ones who didn’t convert at the sword) would have been utterly decimated in real genocides (the ones which anxiously PC MC Westerners in their White Guilt routinely exaggerate).
james hazan says
Erdogan maybe right,the question is,was the indigenous inhabitants of America the ones who discovered Europe? and finished in Japan.Why do we always assume we discovered America,
Atikva says
Because we, the Judeo-Christians, did do it.
And if Erdogan or any of his jihadis pals had ever been right, it would be known.
gravenimage says
james hazan wrote:
Erdogan maybe right,the question is,was the indigenous inhabitants of America the ones who discovered Europe? and finished in Japan.Why do we always assume we discovered America,
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Well, this is pretty incoherent. Human migration is, in its general form, pretty well understood at this point. Humans first came out of Africa and settled Europe and Asia. Then some number crossed the land bridge from Siberia to Alaska during the last ice age.
Their descendants are the Native Americans. They were, of course, the original discoverers of America.
But they did not keep in touch with their old world fellows after the disappearance of the land bridge, nor did any Native Americans develop ocean-going craft.
So the “discovery of America” is the discovery of the New World by the Old. The idea that this could just as likely have worked the other way is absurd.
Given your shaky grasp of human history, it is no surprise that you believe that “Erdogan maybe (sic) right.
Edward Cline says
If one believed that Youssef Mroueh and his allegation that Muslims discovered America first and that the “religion of Islam was widespread” (Yeah, right!), it would explain the primitive, nomadic condition of the Indians the Europeans found them in, complete with interminable tribal warfare, subsistence living standards, and a hostility to anything new.
DustyFae says
Then what did they do, run back home to live in their desert and their huts and tents ? Well, why would they fail to established it. When we know our Founding Fathers were the ones to turn this into a great Nation.
They claimed they discovered every inch of land world wide. And later they will claim they discovered Japan,or Canada, or Cuba.. what is with these people claiming they discovered everything ? they are liars and this is how they plan to take land away from people claiming it was theirs to start with…. this is a interesting link about who Muslims stole everything
http://www.pineapplefish56.net/Muslim_Science.html
icefalcon says
They have been claiming this for years. I talked to a Muslim many years ago who insisted that proof was in the name Tallahassee, FL, which clearly contains the word “allah.”
Petey says
The truly sad part is Castro would be stupid enough (being a lefty and all) to do it, and lets face it once these muzzies realize how easy it is to get their hands on multiple women there, they will infest poor Cuba as well! As if the poor Cubans dont have enough problems already.
andy says
Islam is claim everything for themselves. Even they claim my dogs and my pigs as muslim.
doreva says
god help the native americans..l.if they think they had it bad at the hands of europeans, wait til the islamists get a hold of them…after all, Native Americans are full on “pagans” …
steve Tidey says
Flip. I read recently that Columbus, most of whose crew were Jewish citizens forced out of Spain, thought the world’s circumference was only two thirds of what it was. If only Er dogans Mongolian fore-bears had thought this too they might have arrived on the west coast even early!
voegelinian says
It’s likely, however, that among the crew of the Niña, Pinta, and Santa Maria may have been found on the ship’s(s’) log(s) a morisco or two.
Don Fredrick says
I was privileged to be among the first to read author Dame’s final drafts of “The Muslim Discovery of America,” and I had the distinct honor of writing the Commendatory Preface which appears in the book’s opening pages. Although Mr. Dame is an inquisitive and thorough investigator of seemingly everything of interest that he encounters, he has devoted his full, undivided energies to this new book for more than a year. The result is a tour de force of exposition. He examines the many historical myths advanced by Muslims as the more radical among them seek to expand their influence around the world. Taking advantage of the average person’s ignorance of certain subjects, the Islamists seek to convince as many people as possible that Muslims, not Christopher Columbus, discovered the New World; that Muslims invented everything from mathematics to the alphabet to manned flight; and that Western civilization’s successes are due to Islam and that its failures are the result of not following Islam.
Mr. Dame’s book arrives at a time when Muslims are aggressively trying to extend their influence around the world, either blatantly or surreptitiously. After spending an evening or two reading “The Muslim Discovery of America,” the reader will better understand the tactics used by those who would not hesitate to “fundamentally transform” the American way of life of liberty to a life of submission to Shari’ah law.
Some may argue that I have exaggerated the significance of the issue. To them I suggest, read “The Muslim Discovery of America.”
http://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Discovery-America-Frederick-William/dp/3848238632/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416250780&sr=8-1&keywords=the+muslim+discovery+of+america
gravenimage says
Dame’s book looks interesting, Don—I’ll check it out.
Not surprisingly, on Amazon most of the people who bought his book also bought books by Robert Spencer.
Cindy says
Just about the time I think I heard it all and they had no more stupid things to say, I see one more. Who in their right mind would believe that the muslims founded America. With all their big mouth rants about how they brag on themselves and never tell that story till now???? No-way!!!!!!!! Just like no-way they founded America. If they had it would be a trash hole like their countries are, barbaric and ancient. What a bunch of liars!!!!! No wonder the president loves them so much they are liars just like him.
Arthur says
Actually, I have it on good authority that Mohammed’s ancestors discovered Pangea approximately 300 million years ago. That was when the synapsids and sauropsids first diverged as ancestors of mammals and modern-day reptiles, respectively. Since Pangea was the origin of all continental land mass on earth, North America was simply rediscovered some time later by Mohammed’s descendants. Of course, Hawaii would be an exception as the Big Island itself is only 400,000 years old.
Steve Tidey says
USA Admiral Mahan was right about ships! President Obennedy is not the real Cuba crisis FJ Kennedy.
Maybe US patriots should fund the raising of Columba’s recently discovered shipwreck before they find an Arab dawl.
Rob says
Logistically impossible.
How did the Muslims find the time?
They were raping and killing their way across the ME, North Africa, Spain, Portugal and France.
dr andrew michael says
Ha ha ha! When Istanbul was pushing for the 2020 Olympic bid, Erdogan said with a straight face that the original Olympics were held in Antalya (now in SE modern Turkey) not on the mainland of Greece. You just have to laugh don’t you? Here in Cyprus, even the Cypriot cuisine came from Ottoman Turks so they say. Before our saviours the Turks arrived here in the 1500’s, we only ate grass, we did not even know what meat/food was. Well, that is what most Turks believe anyway, laughable!
Erdogan has even said that the Greeks took culture from the Ottomans such as theatre, music, foods, wine, coffee, loucoumnia (so called Turkish delights) and the Cypriot cheese halloumi. prof andrew michael
jem says
many people found America before Columbus, the Scandanavians found it in the 10th century amongst others…not forgetting of course that people already lived there…you know the Sioux the Apache and 500 other tribes. If I go to Persia and say I’ve discovered it and put up the Cornish flag then if they don’t all become Methodists perhaps they should be forced to drink cider against their will?