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UK Chief Inspector says jihadis’ “motive may be honorable”

Nov 13, 2014 6:53 am By Robert Spencer

Gavin WongChief Inspector Gavin Wong says: “I would ask that we all continue to discourage anyone from attempting to travel to Syria or other areas of conflict. While the motive may be honourable, the reality is that these areas are hugely dangerous, and it can be an opportunity to radicalise vulnerable people.”

“While the motive may be honourable…” Would a British Chief Inspector have said that about Germans in Britain traveling to join the Nazis in 1942?

He is saying this because Muslims in the UK have insisted that they were only traveling to Syria, or planning to do so, for humanitarian motives. Many times Muslims who have been discovered to be involved with the Islamic State or other jihad terror groups have made this claim to try to exonerate themselves. At a time when Muslims from Britain are in the Islamic State calling upon other Muslims from Britain to come join their jihad, and when almost all of Syria is a hot war zone in which humanitarian work is next to impossible, it is extraordinarily naive for Gavin Wong to take this claim at face value, as if it were the primary reason why Muslims are traveling to Syria.

Also, the Islamic State has called for the murder of British military personnel and civilians. It is, therefore, at war with Britain. Traveling to Syria to join it should be seen as an act of treason and dealt with accordingly. But the British political class would have to be sane for that to happen.

“BREAKING NEWS: Man, 27, arrested in Slough this morning on suspicion of financing terrorism,” by Dan Bloom, Daily Mail, November 13, 2014:

Counter-terror police have arrested a 27-year-old man who is accused of financing plots abroad.

The suspect was held this morning in Slough, Berkshire, under Section 17 of the Terrorism Act after an investigation by specialist officers.

It relates to ‘conflicts overseas’, a top officer said – as he sounded a warning against travelling to Syria, where hundreds of British extremists are fighting with Islamist groups.

The South East Counter Terrorism Unit carried out the investigation as officers from Thames Valley Police moved to reassure locals.

Superintendent Simon Bowden said: ‘I would like to reassure the community that this investigation should have very little impact on local residents.

‘The arrest was pre-planned and was not made in response to any immediate threat to public safety in Slough.

‘We will continue to work with our partners and community in the interests of public safety

‘I would ask that we all continue to discourage anyone from attempting to travel to Syria or other areas of conflict.’

There have been a string of arrests after Home Secretary Theresa May warned hundreds of Britons were travelling to fight with jihadis in Iraq and Syria.

The arrest comes less than a week after four men were held in London on suspicion of a terror plot.

The men aged between 19 and 27 were detained in west London and High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, on Thursday and Friday – days before Remembrance Sunday.

Scotland Yard refused to comment on suggestions that the commemorations could have been the target of any plot.

Today’s arrest is the latest in a string of raids by the South East Counter Terrorism Unit.

A 26-year-old man was held in Slough in July accused of financing terrorist acts.

Two Slough homes were also raided in September as part of inquiries into seven terror suspects arrested in Holyhead, North Wales, but they were later released without charge.

And six people were arrested across the region on October 14 on suspicion of terror crimes in Portsmouth, Hampshire, Greenwich, London and Farnborough, Surrey.

Tuhin Shahensha, 26, and Mustakim Jaman, 23 – both from Southsea, Portsmouth – were charged with preparing terrorist acts. Two suspects remain on bail and two were released without charge.

There is no indication the arrests are related to the one carried out today.

Chief Inspector Gavin Wong said previously: ‘I would ask that we all continue to discourage anyone from attempting to travel to Syria or other areas of conflict.

‘While the motive may be honourable, the reality is that these areas are hugely dangerous, and it can be an opportunity to radicalise vulnerable people.’

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  1. Jay Boo says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 7:13 am

    PURITY

    Muslims shout “God is greatest” like a “Heil Hitler” praise
    as each upturned hand displays like a Nazi stiff arm parade.
    These Prayer rug thugs, like SA brown shirts try to impose untruth.
    Their exaggerated bows are as pretentious as the steps of a goose.
    Islamic Head scarfs flaunt a greater purity, Nazi swastikas did this too.
    Honor killing death squad,
    Adolph would be so proud.
    Islam is just Sharia’s godless Gestapo.
    Lock-step bootlick lunatics: Ditto

    • Lu says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 12:04 pm

      Spot on. Parallels between German fascism and Islam are countless. No wonder that al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mosque, was such a great friend and admirer of Hitler:

      http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/hitlers-mufti

      Historia magistra vitae est.

    • Huck Folder says

      Nov 14, 2014 at 12:47 am

      Ein umma
      Ein deen
      Ein kalif

    • Emaleroland says

      Nov 14, 2014 at 1:48 pm

      No, they don’t. They shout Allah is greatest, not god.

  2. gerard says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 7:23 am

    He’s Wong.
    And he’s aptly named.

    • kevin R says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 7:31 am

      Should someone in authority be that clueless and witless?

      • Jay Boo says

        Nov 13, 2014 at 7:53 am

        “motive may be honourable”
        —————————-
        At a minimum this is a poor choice of words. If he had said “naïve” or even “well intentioned” it would have been a little better, but the use of the word honorable illustrates the typical knee jerk impulse to pander to Muslims with a grand display of appeasement lest one be accused of hinting disapproval of anything to do with Muslim behavior.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 13, 2014 at 10:40 am

        Agree with Kevin and Jay Boo. Since when did ‘genocide’ become honorable?

      • forthfaran says

        Nov 13, 2014 at 3:04 pm

        These are the sort of social workers in police uniform that have taken over British policing.The truth is that unless one thinks like this,talks like this and behaves like this,on all manner of issues, promotion to higher office in the police forces is automatically denied.It is a self perpetuating system.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 13, 2014 at 5:22 pm

          My grandfather was a police superintendent in what would now be called the West Midlands, during a very different era.

          He must be rolling over in his grave.

      • Huck Folder says

        Nov 14, 2014 at 12:48 am

        NAMP

    • Hindu American says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      For a moment I thought it was Chief Inspector Clouseau. But, he is not French.

      • DiMu says

        Nov 14, 2014 at 8:26 am

        Spot on!

  3. Megakovalan says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 7:40 am

    How many horrible deaths, atrocities, and savagery needed for the Britain to wake up…These governement officials and politicians are saying these stupid things to appease the Muslims, they should be seriously dealt as a deterrent for others, that’s what they should do. But I am quite sure the mainstream media will ignore it.

  4. Crixus says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 7:42 am

    This article needs to be put into some context here.
    Those not familiar with the structure of the UK Police could be forgiven for reading into this that Gavin Wong is a senior UK policeman. There is no such rank as UK Chief Inspector.

    Police in England (not Scotland or Ulster) is divided into county forces, the leadership ranks above sergeant are as follows:
    junior first:

    Inspector
    Chief inspector
    Superintendent
    Chief Superintendent

    In addition, the Greater London Metropolitan Police has several ranks above Chief Superintendent:
    again going upwards:
    Commander
    Deputy assistant Commissioner
    Assistant Commissioner
    Deputy Commissioner
    Commissioner

    The ‘Met’ has responsibilities above and beyond the county forces eg – anti terrorism lead, Royal Protection etc. The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police is the most senior Police officer in England.

    So how does CI Wong fit into the equation?

    Well, he is Deputy Local area Policing Commander in the town of Slough and works for the Thames Valley Police one of 39 regional police forces in England (again, not including Scotland, Wales or NI).

    Now the population of slough is 140,700 with a proportion of those of ‘Asian or British Asian Descent’ (no figures for religion) of 39.7%.

    Mr Wong’s opinions (which I do not agree with) are hardly those of a senior British Policeman, rather those of a Deputy head policeman in a reasonably sized town with a large percentage of ‘Asian’ population.

    A note on ranks:
    ‘Inspector’ in those urban police forces that have the rank in the US is a senior executive rank equivalent to Lt Colonel. A similar level rank in UK police ranks would be Chief Superintendent.

    A ‘Chief Inspector’ in the UK is roughly equivalent to a Captain in US policing ranks.

    A note of historical interest.
    When the Police were introduced by Sir Robert Peel in the mid 19thC (hence Peelers) there was huge resistance in the UK who saw it as a stepping stone to the Napoleon system of Gendarme State Oppression. Peel was very careful to make a clear distinction between military ranks and police ranks because he knew to use military ranks in the Police would be unacceptable to the public. This is also why UK police are traditionally unarmed. Of course, the irony is that since tony Blair came to office the UK Police have morphed into a paramilitary Gendarmarie like you would find in one of those unstable barbaric countries like France or Italy where the police force carries out the will of the State rather than protecting the people which was the original remit of the UK police and one which we have sadly let go of in the last 15 years.

    • Crixus says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 7:44 am

      I missed out the main point – Gavin Wong is hardly a senior UK policeman

      he’s a middle ranker in a regional town.

      IF this were a statement by a Chief Superintendent then I would have some serious concerns.

      The Press would have fished about for an officer who could comment and presumably the more senior ones had better sense.

    • forthfaran says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 3:28 pm

      Quite right ,which is why Peel and Sir Richard Mayne both insisted that a Constable is a citizen,locally appointed. Also that the office of Constable was not to be that of a gentleman.The first recruits were largely ex army. The Police forces of England and Wales were and are civilian bodies,something the police themselves often forget. They hold the office of Constable and that is their correct title.Because they hold an office they can not literally be sacked;they have to be removed from office after it has been proven that they are no longer fit to hold the office. No one can give an illegal or immoral order to a Constable;he cannot be “ordered ” to arrest anyone ,other than by a Judge or a Magistrate issuing a legal warrant. Almost all Statute law and all common law state that a Constable MAY arrest etc. Targets by senior officers are therefore illegal and oppressive. A Constable has no “superior” officer ,only “senior” officers. This is because almost all the distinction between ranks is related to internal organisation;very few extra powers relating to the public are included in a higher rank. If a senior officer was to order a Constable to arrest a person and the Constable refused,unless the offence was one that obliged arrest by a Constable,such as driving whilst disqualified, the senior officer ,if aggrieved by the Constables refusal,would have to show a offence against the disciplinary code had been committed,ie neglect of duty,in order to start disciplinary punishment. This was all put in place to protect the public. The modern police are a pale shadow of their ancestors.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 5:30 pm

      I’m afraid that the views of Gavin Wong are all too common in Britain, up and down the ranks of police and security.

      This is not the case of some low-level policy wonk “going rogue” as we would say in the States.

  5. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 8:09 am

    What has to happen not only in the UK but in Australia and in Canada and USA and in every other majority-Infidel country from which infidel-country-passport-possessing Muslims have departed for jihad hotspots (Syria and Iraq, but also places like Yemen or Libya) is this: that the ordinary islamosavvy citizens have to say, and keep on saying, over and over, louder and louder, to everyone in law enforcement and in political leadership, the following: 1/ Let the b*st*rds Go!!! Let them go!! 2/ Once they’ve gone – DON’T. LET. THEM. BACK. IN.

    We have to do it in letters and we might have to start doing it in rallies on the streets with placards.

    Because we don’t want returning jihadis moving into the house next door and getting ready to behead *us* and our kids and our non-Muslim neighbours.

    Just keep hammering that point home. Because it’s the truth.

    There’s a LOT more that needs to happen, but I think this one thing is doable, for starters.

    • Wellington says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 5:46 pm

      I agree, dda. Holy Hell, letting Muslims immigrate to the West is awful enough but it is arguably topped by trying to prevent from leaving—–or, if they actually do, then topped again by letting them back in!

      Oh the humanity! Oh the stupidity! But I’m in full agreement with you that we should never, never give up, no matter how many dhimmis and Muzzies keep doing their best to undermine Western Civilization.

  6. Jen says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Oh God. I’m laughing but it’s not funny. “Honourable”
    This is a dhimmi who is trying his best to “understand the other side” without demonizing them. It sounds like he’s been studying some of my old course materials from uni.

    Superintendent Simon Bowden said: ‘I would like to reassure the community that this investigation should have very little impact on local residents.
    ————————————————————————————-
    Don’t panic everyone…Don’t be silly….They don’t want to overrun our entire country okay…calm down….yeah that’s right….get a grip….

    • mortimer says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 10:46 am

      Too true…more lulling people to sleep so the police will have less ‘free speech’ to repress!

  7. Andrew GB says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 8:44 am

    For the love of God! Is this for real?

    Can someone in authority show a set of balls and say ‘you go to jihad then don’t come back and take the rest of your benefit draining, idol worshipping, wife beating, kiddy fiddling tribe with you’

    The UK is a Christian country headed by Her Majesty and if you don’t like it piss off.

  8. Myxlplik says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 8:52 am

    Perhaps if he was living in Hong Kong he’d be a bit more concerned about the future of his country, and wouldn’t soft peddle reality?

    • mortimer says

      Nov 13, 2014 at 10:48 am

      No doubt, he’s doing exactly what he’s told. The cops want the ‘Asians’ to trust them as they throw free speech and dissent under the bus.

  9. change watch says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 9:06 am

    Working for the Government I can assure you that this appeasing woolly thinking is not only common, if you want to keep your job or get promoted its mandatory. It no coincidence Palestinian flags are flown from town halls, Political parties lobby to legitimate Palestine, there are no FGM convictions, and nothing is done regarding thousands of on going child rape, its policy.

    Read A Consequence of Apathy by NR Baldwin. Its literary a lone voice screaming out against the wilful destruction of our society by yoghurt weaving self haters.

  10. Jayell says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 9:27 am

    ‘Honourable’ to what agenda????

  11. Jaladhi says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 9:28 am

    THis guy is a low rank policeman!! Why do we make a big deal of what he thinks. This is just rubbish not worthy of comments by anybody. Just goes to show that some in police don’t know what is an honorable motive! Ha, ha, … jihadis have an honorable motive – yeah, if killing non-Muslims is an honorable motive!! Moron!

  12. Coolio says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 9:28 am

    An unfortunate consequence of dhimmified multicultural police, social workers etc. in the UK is that anyone with a clue wouldn’t trust them to organise a piss-up in a brewery (I guess it might offend members of minority groups). As a result, we have no trustworthy public services; people are being pushed into taking the law into their own hands.

  13. gama says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Seriously !

  14. Don McKellar says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 11:00 am

    No comments accepted on that article and for good reason — this useful idiot would be so pummeled by the public that he would be forced to resign.

  15. Boston Tea Party says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    This is an example of the incremental “normalization” of Islam into the West. “Why, of course it’s perfectly normal, understandable and “honourable” that young British Muslims would want to travel halfway around the world to engage in violent jihad to support the supremacy of Islam—but just be careful, dears. And we’ll welcome you back with open arms when you’re ready.”

  16. albert says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Typical PC jerk in authority, these scumbags are terrorists, they have no honourable intentions, they have no honour, they are of the same ilk as the ones who battered retired soldiers in Bradford and Keighley on Remembrance day. Let them go, hope the USAF blow them to pieces or the Peshmerga put a bullet through their heads, if they survive don’t let them back.

  17. eib says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    There is no honor in the ummah.

  18. Marian Jesse says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    Is Wong a drunk or a druggie…or just a nitwit?

  19. gravenimage says

    Nov 13, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    UK Chief Inspector says jihadis’ “motive may be honorable”
    …………………………

    Of course they are—for pious Muslims, what could be more “honorable” than flocking to an Islamic State that enslaves Infidel women and beheads journalists and aid workers?

  20. Almach says

    Nov 14, 2014 at 6:50 am

    I would sincerely discourage anyone from attempting to travel to dhimmi UK. BDS the UK/Europe NOW!

  21. cynical1 says

    Nov 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    As a famous Australian once said “Two Wongs don’t make a white”…

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