British authorities will not be able to continue this cognitive dissonance. The Conservative government wants to criminalize criticism of Sharia, and yet this girl’s sufferings are caused by Sharia — its lack of any penalty for parents who kill their children, and its reduction of women to the status of commodities. If Theresa May and David Cameron succeed in banning criticism of Sharia, Mr. Justice Holman could be brought up on charges for prosecuting this case. But May and Cameron don’t know that, because they appear to believe with all their hearts and souls in the soothing nonsense about Islam being a religion of peace and jihad involving nothing more violent than dropping off the kids at school.
“London couple from Afghanistan who threatened to kill their daughter for refusing forced marriage had told her they would ‘cut her head off’ if she went to the authorities,” by Claire Carter, Daily Mail, November 5, 2014 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
A couple threatened to kill their daughter if she rejected a forced marriage and behead her if she contacted authorities for help.
A judge has since granted a temporary forced marriage protection order, banning the parents from leaving Britain, after the local authority in Croydon, London, said it ‘did not trust them an inch’ and feared younger children in the family would be spirited out of England if they were able to leave.
The girl, known as S, claims she suffered repeated violence at the hands of her parents and grandmother as a teenager and was told she would be killed if she refused to marry abroad as this would ‘bring dishonour on the family.
She described a long history of being put under pressure to marry, and when she spoke to authorities in 2005 about suffering ‘violence and intimidation’ from her family she claimed her mother said her father would ‘cut her head off’ if she ever raised issues again.
During a hearing at the Family Division of the High Court, Mr Justice Holman granted a temporary forced marriage protection order until next month.
This prevents the family from leaving Britain after it emerged that the mother wanted to go to Afghanistan.
Mr Justice Holman granted the order on the basis that Croydon County Council, which made the application, ‘did not trust this family an inch’ and feared three younger children in the family could be ‘spirited out of Britain.’
The High Court heard that S, who cannot be identified, had described suffering a long history of pressure to accept a forced marriage.
The family, who are originally from Afghanistan, lived for a considerable time in Norway.
During their time in Norway S, now 22, was referred to the local authority by her school health service because of concerns about her welfare.
Mr Justice Holman said a written decision from a public body or court in Norway, dated 2008, explained that the girl had been subjected to pressure to go to Afghanistan to marry. The plan had been that the family would go for a 14 day holiday but S would remain for six months to get married.
A report of the 2008 proceedings said: ‘The girl talks about violence against her from the family, mother, father, brother and grandmother. This has increased during the past month and has been happening on a daily basis.
‘The girl said that her parents told her she would be killed if she would not travel, because this would bring dishonour to her family.’
The court heard that this document also mentioned an incident after she had contact with the local authorities about death threats, intimidation and violence from her family in 2005. They were also claims the family was monitoring her.
It added: ‘The girl said after the emergency placement in 2005, the mother repeatedly told her that if S could contact the authorities again, her father will ‘Take the girl and cut off her head.’
The family had their passports seized in April this year by police because of fears “criminal offences may have been, or were planned to be, committed upon” the children….
Salah says
Even in the West, Muslims live in fear. They fear their fellow Muslims, they fear their own families.
Laws need to change and adapt; Muslims threatening other Muslims and/or non-Muslims must face immediate deportation and/or long jail sentences.
Islam will collapse as soon as violent Muslims will no longer be able to harm fellow Muslims wanting to leave Islam.
Without FEAR, Islam is DEAD.
Jaladhi says
All Muslims are violent – it is just a matter of time when they act it out!!
terry says
Salah,
You’re right. I knew several ex Muslims over the years who exactly said the same thing.
To make matters worse, while the west is claiming that it is a free society, all for human rights and freedom of choice, it ends up protecting Muslims who threaten family members or others in their community who want to leave Islam or don’t want to follow Sharia, with violence and death!
Several young women, in Canada and the US, during the last six years, were honour killed, even after, in many cases, they asked authorities for help or there were very clear signs that they were very likely to be murdered.
Bosch Fawstin’s drawing portrait of Britain, under David Cameron, “fUcKed”, I thought expressed very well how thousands, probably millions, of us thought about the dangerous friendship Britain is having with Islam.
Now I am going to ask him do something similar about the world!
Here it is: http://fawstin.blogspot.com/2013/09/fucked.html
Salah says
Thanks for the link, terry. Yes, our leaders are indeed the true enablers of jihad.
May be we should start a new blog: Jihad Enablers Watch!!!
It should include all our PC leaders, elites and MSM.
Jen says
There are organisations running at the moment to help these women resist forced marriages. If anyone would want to leave Islam, you would hope it would be women first.
But still- what where does that leave Islam and the problems it causes non-Muslims? Are we actually willing to trust that enough Muslims are going to leave Islam, once they know they won’t be threatened? It will take a long time for attitudes to shift, if they do. In the meantime, non-Muslims are in danger. It doesn’t really take many Muslims to cause problems. The West is handicapping itself on so many levels at the moment. I could go on forever, but I won’t.
Policies for dealing with Muslims as a specific group from the rest of the population, as Salah has suggested – my first thought is- why should we? (As opposed to trying to expel as many as possible). Especially in the UK. I’m not willing to sacrifice my own countrymen for these people, just to teach them Judeo-Christian values or ‘de-program’ them if they don’t come readily to our way of thinking.
Do other people of British origin, feel this way too? I have an affinity for the Brits because part of my ancestry is tied to this place and my forebears fought for the things which people, of all backgrounds, now enjoy. I don’t want to throw the sacrifices of my own people, potentially right under the bus, just to run our governments like we are a charitable (organisation) and which needs to treat ONE ‘religious’ group with its own separate set of rules. This is also contrary to the idea that everyone should be treated alike under the law. Since other religious groups are capable of respecting the sacrifices that our forefathers have made, (being peace-loving, law-abiding and not known for harbouring animosity toward our culture) they don’t need to be treated any differently to anybody else. Which is what you want with newcomers to any country.
The West could pay a heavy price for trying to ‘fix’ this problem. I really detest the fact that Muslims were even allowed into our countries in the first place. It’s a train wreck waiting to happen. Why didn’t *anybody* look at other places with sizable Muslim minorities, *before* letting them in and realise this problem was ‘religion’-based? You would hope they did their job by paying extra attention to these things. It’s almost as if there is this naive belief that we can ‘tame’ savage behaviour by offering them ‘a better life.’ And then assuming falsely, they have the best of intentions when moving to our country because, we ourselves (from a Western background), cannot understand why people would move to our ‘free’ societies, which offers them so much, and want anything *but* peace.
Personally, with all these problems that the West is having, I see it as a poorer option for future business investment. Instead, I look to other non-Western countries in doing my research. How many others will feel the same way? I’ve noticed these ideas gaining traction on the internet. Will this affect Western economies?
I’ve not felt since thinking about this more, that the West is actually that ‘free.’ We have so many rules. It’s more ‘free’ to live in a ‘poor’ country with dozens of other problems, in some ways. You don’t need to worry about what your government does next, because you never trusted them in the first place. Which leaves you liberated to go about your life, as you please, and without being a spectator to politics. The lack of rules, and enforced policies enables that also. It’s ‘lawless’ sure, but it’s also liberating at the same time because nobody is going to tell you what you can, or cannot do all the time.
You also don’t have to be annoyed often with ‘humane’ governments being ‘nicey nicey’ and thinking they are one large charitable organisation which will bend over backwards to help the perceived underdog. Even if they get this assessment of who the ‘underdog’ is completely wrong.
Living in the West is also comparatively expensive in some ways and a little out of touch with nature. Most of us purchase our fruits and veges from the supermarket, where so much of it is sprayed with chemicals. There is also an abundance of unhealthy, processed foods which we probably shouldn’t be eating. In contrast, many people in ‘developing’ countries are still able to pick their food from their fruit trees in the garden or go down to their local market and purchase an abundance of food from other locals at a reasonable price. Which I think is rather nice.
It’s off the topic of Islam, but I guess I’m trying to paint a picture of the West from a different perspective because we are known for being ‘free’ and being a magnet for people who move to our countries ‘for a better life’. Sometimes when you talk to Westerners, they can’t understand why anyone would want to live in ‘developing’ countries because we, in the West, have so much. This is partly again, projecting ‘Western thinking’ onto something. In some ways, we have much; in others ways, not so much. We compromised some things, in favour of having of other things.
Salah says
@Bosch Fawstin
When it comes to drawing, I’m next to zero. Please check out these “holy” hadiths, I’m sure you can come out with a much better result.
Thanks, Bosch.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/drawing-muhammad-dessiner-mahomet.html
terry says
Bosch Fawstin,
Thanks for the link about “Islam’s Bitch”.
It’s been a long time since I laughed that hard!
mortimer says
Jaladhi, There’s no benefit in overstating our case. Most Muslims are much nicer than Mohammed and they would EXECRATE Mohammed if they ever met him. When Mohammed died, most Arabs realized Islam was false and tried to escape from this evil Death Cult, but Abu Bakr made war on them and they were brought back through fear. The ideology of political Islam is the problem just as Nazism was the problem in Germany, not the existence of the German race itself. Germans were liberated from fear when Hitler died. A small minority of Muslims actually takes action and most Muslims will never participate in jihad or contribute money to jihad. There is only one Muslim we have to kill…Mohammed. We kill Mohammed with our disapproval only because he’s already dead. ISIS is the purest form of Islam today and Muslims recoil when they actually see Islam in practice and without compromise.
Jen says
Mortimer said:
A small minority of Muslims actually takes action and most Muslims will never participate in jihad or contribute money to jihad.
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How many is a ‘small minority’ though?
And how many Muslims are actually required to make people feel unsafe? And cause carnage through a single bomb, placed strategically?
For the remainder of the non-violent Muslims, what other aspects of Islamic culture might they be happy for us to accommodate?
You said a ‘small percentage’ would donate money to jihad. How many wealthy donors are needed to fund violent jihad so it is successful?
You’re also talking about something historical and assuming the same will be true, should it happen today. Why would that be the case necessarily?
Nazism is also not a very good comparison to (necessarily) explain what will happen with Islam. Nazism was not a religion.
People hold religious beliefs very dear to their heart, in a way which I highly doubt the average German would have for Nazism. We are talking about peoples’ understandings of our Creator. Not any old nasty ideology.
There’s no benefit in understating the case either.
Salah says
“Most Muslims are much nicer than Mohammed and they would EXECRATE Mohammed if they ever met him.”
Well said, mortimer. Indeed they would…some already are!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/01/egyptian-muslims-tear-up-quran.html
Jaladhi says
>”Jaladhi, There’s no benefit in overstating our case. Most Muslims are much nicer than Mohammed and they would EXECRATE Mohammed if they ever met him.”<
Aha, most Muslims are much nicer than Mohammad – right, I bet no Muslim will be willing to say that. It will be a blasphemy for them!! The very fact that they are not willing to say anything about those so called violent jihadi Muslims says it all and it is not just because of the fear of them. They are 100% with jihadis but won't openly admit it. And that doesn't make them more peaceful or much nicer than Mohammad!!
Jen says
Even though Jaladhi doesn’t always go into detail about why he says what does, I’m far more inclined to agree with him. He is closer to reality than others behaving like there are endless numbers of “moderate Muslims” willing to readily jump ship.
It is actually excruciating for me to read some these comments.
I considered avoiding this website entirely, just so I wouldn’t have to come across certain comments because it does nothing for my present frame of mind. I’m sitting here, worried about my own family at the moment because of Muslim behaviour, and then I see idiots talking about, effectively, “moderate Muslims” and how much love they deserve. And how ‘that’s charity.’
Hugely irritating, almost bordering on ‘insulting.’
Jen says
Yep…just read Salah’s latest comment.
Absolutely agonizing. I am going to have to avoid this site for my own sanity.
I appreciate you hugely Robert Spencer and I pray for your safety. God bless you for you efforts.
Jaladhi says
Hey Jen, don’t consider to stop coming to this site and expressing your views just because there are some or many views different than yours.
Jen says
No matter now much anyone tries to reason with someone like Salah, it never goes through. I wish he/she would join a website called semi-anti-jihad-watch. All his/her comments do is probably confuse newcomers to the site and mislead them into believing in the usefulness of a fantasy “moderate Muslim” category. People have already been ‘brainwashed’ into believing this exists for useful purposes. They don’t need to come on here and receive ‘confirmation’ of it. Not to mention his/her idea that people have nothing to fight for unless they have Judeo-Christian values in their life. What about all the people of other religions or no religion?!
For those that understand you will be in grave danger for even tying to accommodate “moderate Muslims”, I hope you will always be safe. For the dreamers, I hope you immerse yourself in reality sometime soon. Since Salah’s been on here advocating this for years apparently, he/she is probably a lost cause.
Bye everyone
Jen says
@Jalhadi…No….I really do have to leave…For my own sanity.. The people with different views are not so bad. It’s the ones that are outright stupid that are excruciating to read day after day. I see the absolute naivety in it, which is why it’s so painful…
voegelinian says
This “mortimer” Jihad Watch veteran more visibly than most here supports the TMOE meme (Tiny Minority of Extremists) — the meme that is killing us (and that proffers more horrific attacks against us in the coming decades unless we the West get our shit together). Only a couple of months ago he wrote in a comment on another JW thread:
mortimer
September 18, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Nonsense. Most Muslims are much nicer and more moral than Mohammed. They believe theoretically, but most do not practice all the things required by Islam. Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.
Uncommonly, quite a few other JW commenters, regulars among them (and even, amusingly, a couple of JW Softies who basically agree with mortimer but have convinced themselves they are somehow more robustly anti-Islam), actually weighed in at the time against mortimer (my favorite riposte there was from good ol’ CGW).
Jen says
Mortimer said:
most Muslims will never participate in jihad or contribute money to jihad.
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I would like to know what Mortimer bases this assumption on.
Does Mortimer understand that within Muslim communities, many put for forth money to their mosque? For a variety of reasons? And this may include dawah (which helps to spread Islam’s terrible life outlook- including that of Jihad)?
Or simply ends up being directly for the purposes of violent jihad? I mentioned this before I think, but my grandfather has seen the ‘blessing’ of Muslims to commit jihad at their mosque. He had Muslim neighbours who trusted him. And who else was present while this ‘blessing’ happened? All the other regular mosque-goers of course! (Who donated funds to their mosque! ).
This shows you again that those who use the “tiny minority of extremist” meme don’t understand Islam beyond their bookish knowledge. They don’t comprehend what Islam will look like on the street in years to come. It most likely will not look like the Islam in Muslim majority countries but appear closer to the situation found in ‘trouble spots’ of Muslim violence which is found in certain pockets within countries (to start with).
I agree with the above comment that this “it’s a tiny minority of extremists” line will continue to get people killed. It is almost as bad as the Islam is a “religion of peace” line.
Those who use the “it’s a tiny minority of extremists” line need to be challenged as often as possible so as to uncover their justifications or lack thereof for holding this position.
I would be curious to know Mortimers experience with Muslims (or anyone else using the “it’s only a tiny minority of extremists” line). Many people can grasp that this “moderate Muslim” category is not a useful category and they don’t need to experience Muslim troubles first-hand to know this. But there are others that can’t join the dots still, because they haven’t seen the problems and cannot relate or imagine what it will look like in their community, should this situation continue to get out of hand (as Voegelinian mentioned- the West needs to get their sh*t together).
voegelinian says
Jen wrote:
” All his/her comments do is probably confuse newcomers to the site and mislead them into believing in the usefulness of a fantasy “moderate Muslim” category”
Yes; and not only Salah, but others (mortimer, Jay Boo, Kepha, Phillip Jihadski), even if they overtly avoid the explicit term “moderate Muslim” (and make a great show of disdaining it), for they effectively bring the concept behind the term back in through the back door. With most of these asymptotic Counter-Jihadists, one assumes the most generous explanation: the PC MC neurosis still afflicts them to one degree or another. With some among them, however, one cannot necessarily rule out a more sinister motive.
Jen says
Islam will collapse as soon as violent Muslims will no longer be able to harm fellow Muslims wanting to leave Islam.
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But this is assuming that they are in neat categories of either violent or non-violent isn’t it?
With that assumption is the idea that the violent *want* jihad, and the non-violent *don’t* want jihad (or other Islamic law).
I don’t think that assumption can safely be made. Because there are the non-violent who don’t break any laws, but who aren’t opposed to their ‘brothers and sisters’ carrying out violent jihad in the name of their ‘religion.’
So based on (Islamic) principle, they are not objecting to the behaviour, however, they themselves aren’t interested in engaging in violent jihad themselves.
Other reasons for that could likely include the fact that they’re not willing to die for the sake of violent jihad. Human beings generally want to protect their life at all costs and wanting to avoid placing themselves in the line of fire is only natural. But they can still be complicit to violent jihad in other ways.
You would have to assume that everyone in the non-violent category dislike Islam and secretly wants to leave, for that to work safely. Leaving the ones in the non-violent category to be free from deportation assumes they have no future desires at all to become violent. Or assumes they will honestly respond to education. Some will but many won’t. The non-violent ones may give birth to children who decide to reject the non-violent Islam and opt for violent Islam. Either way, their presence makes for loose cannons.
Dieter says
Islam will collapse as soon as you bomb 100 mosques for every outrage committed by Islam. For the last 1,300 years they turned tail and ran when opposed by overwhelming force.
Wtf? says
Islam will only behave itself when it fears a superior foe. The right is stirring, look at Obamaland and the rise of the Republicans. Unfortunately they may see it as a rise to just get elected but if a government can show courage to stand up to the entire Muslim thug culture there can be change. This story highlights the Middle East concept of family honour before everything, Islam was created to operate in these medieval societies. Hence the mothers and grandmothers are just as dangerous as any ISIL moron. It will take many years until the current generations of young Muslim women slowly break down the family honour program.
KiwiKaffir says
Jen, I have grown to respect your opinion on JW. Have you considered starting a website in NZ along the lines of the Q society of Australia?
It would be so good to have a group here who could lobby our leaders and educate our population.
Jen says
Thank you. I will consider doing this. We can’t let NZ go to the dogs. The situation looming is very worrying to me.
mortimer says
And the effect of banning criticism of Sharia will be to block anyone who wants to defend a girl like this or shame her parents and the community that supports violence against women.
Shane says
By allowing large numbers of Muslim immigrants into the West, we have invited honor killings, sharia law, polygamy, forced marriages, pedophilia, the rape jihad, and of course, Islamic-inspired terrorism. When will we learn that is well past time to stop all Muslim immigration into the West.
Jen says
You’re right Shane. It is a scary thought. The more Muslims that arrive or are born, the larger and less manageable these problems will become.
We already (even in NZ) have cases of this. The average citizen has yet to realise how it is simmering in the background.
BlueRaven says
Islam screwed up unlimited number of families in innumerable ways. Now we are about to approach the age to accomodate their evil needs. It is all because of lots of Sharia money.
tpellow says
Britain’s main political parties are more interested in getting the votes of Sharia law-enforcing Muslims, than such politicians are in banning Sharia law.
tpellow says
Also in the U.K-
“RAPE AND MAYHEM:
HOW THE PEOPLE OF CAMBRIDGE ARE PAYING A BITTER PRICE FOR CAMERON’S HOPELESS INTERVENTION IN LIBYA”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/05/Rape-and-mayhem-how-the-people-of-Cambridge-are-paying-a-bitter-price-for-Cameron-s-hopeless-intervention-in-Libya
katarzyna says
the soldiers contributed to the “development” of crime in England and they will be returning to Libia(except for those who have claimed asylum in Britain).
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/uk-government-is-forced-to-send-home-300-libyan-soldiers-they-trained-due-to-repeat-sex-attacks/
Jen says
One tip for these young girls which some charitable organisations have given to them is to put a metal object inside their luggage and wrap it in their underwear. So when they are going through airport security, it will sound the metal detectors and cause them to be scrutinized further. At that point, they have an excuse to talk to airport security and can tell them that they’re being forced to go abroad to marry.
The other hideous tactic of these Muslims is to encourage marriage between cousins. I can’t remember which case I’m thinking of here, but this particular family had this idea for cousin marriage as another way to bring *more* of their Muslim family over to the West. Hoping that by claiming they were ‘married,’ it would make it easier for the male to move to the West permanently as well.
Darren says
I’m surprised the dhimm’s in englanidstan didn’t jail this women for a hate crime and being racist. Anyone on JW have a which country in eurostan will be conquered first by islam list like I do? My top 3 picks of eurostanian nations to fly the crescent flag are Sweden, France, and England. Does anyone living in the future caliphate have any other lists that are different than mine? I’m curious.
Martin G says
My list would be 1) Sweden 2) UK 3) Belgium. I’ve read (probably here on JW) that Brussels is one third muslim now. That country is lost. The other Scandinavian countries, particularly Norway, are probably gone as well.
I get the feeling France and Italy may still have some life in them (the recent anti-immigration rallies in Italy and the burkha ban in France being an indication of this)
I’m tentatively optimistic about Austria and the Netherlands (in the latter case, almost exclusively because of the great Geert Wilders and the fact that his fellow Dutch appear to finally be listening to him)
citycat says
No half measures. Either they all decide to not go, else all will eventually go.
Jaladhi says
This is the face of true Islam and true Muslims!!! Why is the West living in its own delusion how good are Muslims and Islam is beyond me. This is the most criminal cult masquerading as a religion and that too as a religion of peace.
Ha, ha… Who are they fooling – of course our media, academia and the government!!
Champ says
The girl, known as S, claims she suffered repeated violence at the hands of her parents and grandmother as a teenager and was told she would be killed if she refused to marry abroad as this would ‘bring dishonour on the family.
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How insane, practicing islam brings dishonor to *all* families and nothing but hell on earth for the rest of us–islam dishonors the entire planet! Jeez muslims are so evil and blind …
Wellington says
It is bitterly ironic as well as stupefying that the UK is not in peril first and foremost because of Islam and its deluded followers, but rather first and foremost because of non-Muslim British enablers of Islam—-like Cameron, Blair and May.
Well, history is full of examples where, a la Ayn Rand, it is not malevolence which is the real problem but the excuse-making for malevolence which is. Not many examples in history exhibit this truth more so than does contemporary Britain, a once very great nation which is currently immolating itself because British elites keep doubling down time and time again as the evidence keeps mounting up that Islam is inimical to traditional British values and liberties. Shame on these elites and the elites in other Western nations who are culpatory here. Great shame.
Respecting the largest scale what is at stake, whether in Britain, France, The Netheralnds, Canada, America et al., I make this comment: It is simply impossible to reconcile Western Civilization with Islam. The former stands for liberty and equality under the law more so than any civilization in history ever has. The latter stands for hostility to liberty and inequality under the law about as much as any major (N.B., I wrote “major” and not “great”) culture ever has.
epistemology says
It’s lamentable, but that’s the way it is in the Western world. I haven’t got a clue why these morons suck up to Islam, probably because their IQ is below absolute zero. As a matter of fact there is nothing in nature below absolute zero. But it seems to exist in the world of these idiots. Even in the times of ISIS they distinguish between moderate and violent Islam, although it’s obvious that ISIS and all the other terrorist groups such as Hamas, Boko Haram etc. refer to the unholy Koran.
I’m especially fed up with the feminists who complain about every salacious remark at the workplace, normally only silly quips, and defend the headscarf and even the full veil against critics of Islam, because that protects women. To quote a great Jewish painter when the Nazis seized power in Germany: “I can’t eat as much, as I can puke.”
Take care, my friend.
Jen says
I’m especially fed up with the feminists who complain about every salacious remark at the workplace, normally only silly quips, and defend the headscarf and even the full veil against critics of Islam
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I know how you feel…I just think to myself “oh shush.” There are far bigger problems that these people could be focusing on. I wish Islam got as much attention as some of these ‘feminists.’
mortimer says
The girl should be removed from the family and placed in a safe home.
Dave J says
The fact that Islamic teachings can overcome the natural bonds of family to the point of parents murdering their own offspring is a vivid example of the brainwashing and Satanic powers that are integral to this death cult.
citycat says
Yep, brainwashing from birth. Give of the child and i’ll give you the man.
Rezali Mehil says
All,
you are arguing over the little things …Cameron has bigger things in mind….just round the corner …get this NEWS…roll out the green carpet
he wants an Asian to be NEXT prime minister and has culture secretary Muslim Sajid Javid to be his successor. …drum roll please!!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11212217/I-want-to-see-a-British-Asian-Prime-Minister-says-David-Cameron.html
More Later …..
Rezali
fair_dinkum says
its never, ever any different.
theyd never be big/human/nice enough to just say, ok, good luck with that
this..never happens. “moslam girl gets families blessing on conversion to anything” etc
it is always so.. medieval. backward. you scour for happy or positive stories..they dont exist. voices of reason? there are none in islam.. not one.
she may have been dragged there, remained defiant and raped and lynched by an angry mob in mud hutsville, afghanistan.
why does that scenario seem so plausible? worse has happened, thats what does it.
either way shes a target now.
pumbar says
I suppose this is another incident where “tell MAMA” isn’t a very good idea. She’d probably behead you.
dave says
Up next: Authorities threaten to cut off girls head if she goes to them to report her parents threat.
Coolio says
Western ‘feminist’ professional victims and fully-paid-up members of the multicultural dhimmi establishment complain about irrelevancies like sexy women advertising posters; such sexual freedom and free expression often shows up the ‘feminists’ as middle-aged man-hating hags – despite the existence of sexy and erotic pictures throughout history, like in ancient India, and their prevelance in countries where women are free to vote and act as they like without fear of rape, acid attacks, imprisonment and stoning.
Modern ‘feminists’ vilefy or ignore real victims of barbaric stone-age tribal cults like Islam and their voices like Safia Abdi Haase in the cause of cultural relativism and rejection of hard-won Western civilisation, traitorously betraying the female sex and their own culture, a culture which gives them freedom and free speech.
duh_swami says
From post above…We must learn to distinguish between Jihadi supremacist Islam and the “moderate” Islam we hear so much about.
That’s a joke …right? You may hear about moderate Islam, but you will never find it. It’s not possible, in reality, for anyone who believes Allah is god, to be moderate…
Jaladhi says
There is no moderate Islam and no moderate Muslims> Period! They are all jihadis and violent. They may show outwardly to be peaceful but that is a facade to fool the PC Western governments, academia and the media. Too bad it has to include all Muslims but they are all like that or else they would be doing something about jihadis among them. Since they do nothing – they agree with them. All this crap that they also afraid of jihadi Muslims is just that and all Muslims agree with jihadi Muslims carrying out jihad against us – whether it is al Qaeda, ISIS or ISIL, Boko Haram, India Mujahideen, Lashkare Toiba or any other group with other name, they are all same and they are all Muslims!!
Learn the truth about Islam and expose Muslim lies whenever and where ever you see them!
mortimer says
The Canadian government is introducing a bill to stop child marriages, honor killings, FGM and other barbaric persecutions of women.
Jayell says
OK, well, of course, this is the way we’ve always conducted our social (and other) affairs in this country, isn’t it? So ‘British’, yes? I mean, look back at the archived material from UK national (and local) newspapers and crime records over the last 150 years at least and you’ll see all these thousands of cases of ‘forced marriages’, ‘honour killings’ (funny that this phrase seems new to the British vocabulary?? Can’t think why!!) and threatened and actual beheadings for family members and other unfortunate individuals who have happened to ‘displease’ someone else in their social circle. It’s happened all the time on these islands over the last centuries, you know!! Of course it has!!! Must be in ‘Magna Carta’ somewhere. You haven’t noticed??? That’s what we’ve ALWAYS done things in this parts, isn’t it?? It’s so ‘us’ in the UK, isn’t it? Our Police and Law Enforcement establishment were created just for this sort of thing??? They’ve nothing better to do than sort out and spend our resources on cases like THIS??? And these perpetrators are such wonderful, moral people and an incredible credit to the UK and its global reputation, aren’t they!!! (That’s why they’re queuing up to get in at Calais, nothing to do with benefits system, of course!!) Makes one feel proud to be ‘British’ doesn’t it??? They send a really GOOD ‘civilised’ message around the world about us in the UK, don’t they?? By the way, who has read the story in the UK press about the young Libyan military trainees on a ‘leadership’ course in an army camp nesr Cambridge supposedly funded by the Libyan government? All the young ‘soldiers’ have been sent home in total disgrace following a catalogue of appalling behaviour including refusing to obey orders and crimes such as theft, disorderly conduct, sexual assault, rape…. Apparently more than a few have appeared in court and are due for serious custodial sentences. Some are going to claim asylum!!! (Why?? How??) They are apparently claiming that the ‘British Government ‘have mistreated them’ and ‘did not tell them the difference between Right and Wrong’ and also that the accommodation ‘wasn’t comfortable enough’. And now it appears that the Libyan Government are refusing to foot the bill (that they no doubt had agreed?). I believe that Libya follows the ‘Religion of Peace’. Any connection with this farce? Does one get the feeling that the world is going mad, or s it me?
Jay Boo says
And let’s not forget other “little things” — Rezali
such as:
Mommy’s little Girl
Fifteen years earlier little Anusha wiggled to life with a scream and a cry.
She delighted all with her giggle, as she practiced to speak and to smile.
But sadly, her parents were Muslim.
Her father beat “God’s precious gift” with his feet and fists
then her mother drenched Anusha with acid to assist.
Fifteen years earlier Anusha Zafar wiggled to life with a scream and a cry.
See this baby girl who once so delighted all with her giggle and her smile.
“HONOR KILLING” ANUSHA ZAFAR died October 30, 2012 Kashmir, Pakistan
(She was left to suffer for 2 days without any medical treatment)
The true face of Islam is so easily forgotten by those who wish to believe, its lies.
Yes —
Every Muslim still knows for each daughter murdered, the true sordid reasons these “honor” killings hide. YET, NO PROTESTS, NO OUTRAGE, at this INSULT and the news media quickly accepts to forget
what is not politically correct to inspect, the sins of this filthy evil religion that turns insult into pride.
Jay Boo says
“Here is an old photo of two of my deceased daughters. “
“So what about you; how many of your daughters have you honor killed, so far?
Surely you have killed at least one for the “Compassionate and Merciful” Allah’s sake?”
B says
Another example of what Cameron says is the wonderful contribution of Muslims to our nation
Mirren10 says
”A judge has since granted a temporary forced marriage protection order, banning the parents from leaving Britain, after the local authority in Croydon, London, said it ‘did not trust them an inch’ and feared younger children in the family would be spirited out of England if they were able to leave.”
What utterly **sickens** me is the atrocious double standard here.
Croydon Social Services is breaking it’s neck to protect this girl, and her siblings, the judge has banned the parents from leaving Britain, but **neither the police, the judiciary, or social services lifted one bloody finger to help the thousands of victims of rape by mohammedan paedophile grooming gangs**, who carried out, and are *still** carrying this out, for **ten bloody years** ??!!
And no, I am *not* saying this girl shouldn’t be protected, but where the hell were these people when **our own** were, and still are, being attacked ??!!
D Cripps says
When new laws are proposed, some people become concerned about the intentions, or whether the wording of the law might lead to a detrimental interpretation. However, I don’t think the UK government has any problem with exposés of sharia or criticism of it. In response to a recent letter to the Home Office (Theresa May’s Office) , I received a reply quoting the Prime Minister’s Extremism Task Force report of December 2013: “Islamist extremists deem Western intervention in Muslim majority countries as a ‘war on Islam’, creating a narrative of ‘them and us’. They seek to impose a global Islamic state governed by their interpretation of shar’ia as state law, rejecting liberal values such as democracy, the rule of law and equality. Their ideology also includes the uncompromising belief that people cannot be Muslim and British, and insists that those that do not agree with them are not true Muslims.” Based on the arbitration of traditional sharia, of course anyone choosing only the bits they like is not a true Muslim, but some do reject this arbitration. I have sent link and .pdf of the Center for Security Policy’s “Sharia: The Threat to America” (which I only discovered a few months ago), with related knowledgeably-sourced information. to various UK politicians and others, including our Security Service MI5, as the document joins up many dots.
mike says
This is nothing more then slavery. Countries that condemn the practice of slavery but allow this, is just as bad as the slave holders.
I don’t for one second believe this is a religion. This is about male domination over woman and a political view of world domination.
abad says
Islam is so anti-female – the lie that Muhammad forbade girl babies from being buried alive is no different from these honor-marriage killings. Why do Muslim men bother with females anyways. Muslim men would prefer to have sex with camels and goats.
voegelinian says
This thread will be bookmarked, not only for Jen’s refreshing comments, but also as yet more evidence of the crickets & tumbleweed & whistling winds of all the other stout, stalwart Jihad Watch Softies doing nothing to lend her a hand.