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UK to aid jihadis returning from Islamic State if they have “good intentions”

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williamhagueMuhammad said, “War is deceit.” (Bukhari 4.52.269)

“Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).” (Muslim 6303)

So if deceit is permissible, according to Muhammad himself, in times of battle and war, and the Islamic State considers itself to be at war with Britain, then how will Hague and the rest determine whether or not they are being deceived by a jihadi who is only feigning “good intentions”? Since they are sure that Islam is a religion of peace and would denounce as “Islamophobic” any idea that its prophet actually sanctions deceit, they are unlikely to consider this question adequately.

Suicidally Naive Britannia Update: “Aid pledge for returning UK jihadists with ‘good intentions,’” by Rowena Mason, the Guardian, November 2, 2014:

The UK will help jihadists returning from Iraq and Syria to recover if they have “good intentions” about stopping others joining the conflict, the Conservative leader of the Commons, has said.

In a change of tone, William Hague said that some will “just need help because they will have been through an extremely traumatic period” while fighting overseas.

Downing Street initially floated the idea of banning radical Islamist fighters from coming back to Britain, but the proposal was dropped when it emerged that it would be illegal to make people stateless.

Despite a call from Ukip for returning fighters to be stripped of their citizenship, Hague appeared to soften the government’s rhetoric on the subject as he spoke on the BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday.

“We haven’t had a lot of people coming back yet and saying they want to be of assistance, but if they do of course the government, the police, the National Health Service will work with those people and help them to recover and to assist others,” he said.

“Our top priority has to be the security of the people of this country and that is why we will take action. Where we think people could be dangerous, we confiscate passports. We’re working on additional powers to be introduced in parliament. There have been over 200 arrests this year related to people going to Iraq and Syria.

“But the Home Office and the police and the NHS are also working together on what we can do to assist those people who do come back with good intentions. Of course, we will have to be sure that they do have good intentions.”

How this clueless, politically correct dolt, childlike in his naivete, proposes to do that is anybody’s guess.

A father of three young men who have gone to fight in Syria, two of whom have been killed, told the same programme that his sons had been “naive” and acted out of kindness.

“I do not agree with the word radicalised. My sons went, they did a mistake, they were naive to think that going to Syria and fighting will make a change,” Abubaker Deghayes said.

“I consider it out of their kindness, out of their humanity and conscience, that’s why they took this step, but at the same time, what they did is not right.

“They miscalculated it, because the Syrians do not need foot fighters, they need much more complicated things than that in the war against [President] Assad to stop these atrocities.”…

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  2. I despair for my country and the self deluded morons that govern it. Spineless fools ,every one.

    • The thing I don’t get is WHY? Why is the U.K. coddling to these savages? Clearly the general population is disgusted by it, why aren’t your politicians?

      • Hard to pull the trigger on WW3 I’d imagine, because the second you equate ISIS with normative Islam what’s the next logical conclusion?

        • Indeed. And one significant measure of just how difficult that next logical step is for the 21st-century Westerner is the fact that so many even in the Counter Jihad recoil from it (though they do it of in subtly convoluted, if not confused ways — such as, for example, patting themselves on the back for being robustly no-nonsense Counter-Jihadists by saying “Keep those ISIS-joining savages out of our country!” but shrinking back like shrinking violets from the next logical steps: “Keep all Muslims out of our country!” and “Deport all the ones who are here!”)

      • Jade
        For the sake of Britain I truly hope that Nigel Farage and his UKIP very quickly overwhelm these appeasing cowards of David Cameron. I have a brother who lives in Kent, who before some recent election decided he wouldn’t even bother to vote, then one day came home, found a UKIP flyer, read it and suddenly thought, “This I can support.”

        The sooner Britain gets out of the EU, thus restoring its sovereignty and then starts kicking out Muslim jihadi and other scum, permanently putting away trash like Angem Choudary, arrests those Muslims holding up signs threatening beheadings and death to anyone who does not agree with their scum ‘prophet’ Muhammad, requires of all immigrants assimilation – or out the door with a hefty hoof to help – and rejection of sharia, the better.

        Police will need to be ready for another hard fight, maybe with the help of the army, to fight in a way reminiscent of the days when Margaret Thatcher took on scumbag Arthur Scargill and his miners.

        • “For the sake of Britain I truly hope that Nigel Farage and his UKIP very quickly overwhelm these appeasing cowards of David Cameron.”

          It’s coming:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/05/mark-reckless-ukip-rochester_n_5933994.html

          The only reason people didn’t vote UKIP before wasn’t because they didn’t like the policies, but simply because they didn’t think they had a chance. This meant of course that as soon as that support started rising, and people thought they a “slim chance”, the support increased. Now that they’re actually winning seats, who knows?

          The two things driving people towards UKIP are European meddling and Islam. Neither of these are going to change, therefore there’s a kind of inevitability about the rise of UKIP.

    • All the western govts leaders like those in the UK seem to be like the US president played by Jack Nicholson in MARS ATTACK, clueless about the enemy until too late. Unfortunately for us, the jihadi’s brains won’t explode with the singing of Slim Whitman and we will need another strategy to defeat them

      • Generally not my favorite movie, John—pretty dark and cynical—but one scene was grimly priceless. The martians are running amok, gunning down earthlings with their ray guns, all the while intoning, “We Come in Peace!” and “Don’t Run, We Are Your Friends!”…

    • The only thing that will save the U.K. from becoming an Islamic Republic is if the people rebel and drive out the traitorous politicians and Muslim jihadists. The Rape Jihad is still going on in many European countries and the spineless, dhimmi leaders do nothing.

      • Shane, I agree. The citizens of Western countries need to wake up and take action, vote out the cowardly liberal scum who cow-tow to Islam, and then actually take to the streets to confront the Muslims and tell their leaders “We’ve had enough of you selling out our country”. It’s going to take commitment and sacrifice, not least sacrificing cosy evenings at home and fighting for freedom.

        • The problem with the citizens of the West waking up is that probably the majority of them have hearts and minds deformed by PC MC.

          The good news, however, is three-fold:

          1) the PC MC worldview may well be a rather shallow passing fashion (and fashions come and go), and may well reflect not some deep evil in the West (as the various flavors of conspiracy theorists in the Counter-Jihad would have it)

          2) PC MC is not Leftism per se, and so the person suffering from this cultural neurosis is much less likely to be a hopeless case for persuasion about the problem of Islam

          3) PC MC derives from the great virtues of the West’s four pillars (or two twin pillars) of its Judaeo-Christian Graeco-Roman heritage: i.e., PC MC is not essentially wicked or demented (as the darker sources of Leftism are), and so what is necessary — and possible — is for the good instincts of most Westerners to be “readjusted” so to speak, so that they redirect their good values (chief among which, relevant to this problem, Respect for the Other and Self-Criticism) appropriately; which means negatively in hostile intolerance against Islam because it is the worst violator of those values in world history and is violently violating them in our time. From there, two other scales will fall from their lying PC MC eyes:

          a) the logical connection between Islam and Muslims (seeing the latter as a problem that is not confined to artificial Tiny Minority of Extremists, but rather as systemic (broad-based among world Muslims beyond our ability to know) and metastasizing (getting alarmingly and dangerously worse)

          b) and the problem of taqiyya and the stealth jihad, whose logical implications unfold in terms of (a) above.

          All this needs to happen before “the citizens” or “The People” can do anything. And it won’t likely happen unless we in the Counter-Jihad (“such as it is” as Diana West has wryly remarked), the Canaries in the Coalmine, “We few, we happy few, we band of brothers [and sisters]” manage to persuade them. This will take time — and it is counter-productive for the conspiracy-theorish Chicken Littles among us to say “we don’t have have time!!! The globalist Leftist Elites with their oil-funding Muslim friends have already taken over and we’re doomed!!!!”

  3. TRUTH —Please do not peek and stare through this gap of my insight. I am not ignoring you.

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    The answers to life’s greatest mysteries will soon be revealed to me.
    Any interruption of said process could alter the course of all humanity.

    Step away from this portal of my wisdom.
    Do not block the insights spiraling through this vortex with your unbalanced asynchronous thoughts.

    TRUTH — At this very moment you are about to make a choice that will inevitably lead unforeseen consequences beyond the limits of human imagination.

    I ask that you kindly reconsider.
    The hopes and dreams of this world rest entirely in your hands.

    TRUTH — Please do not disturb my cognitive dissonance.

    • In other words, British politicians are pathologically gullible about ‘the religion of peace’…evidence, facts and data have no impact on their delusional brains.

      The reason this isn’t funny is that more British citizens and soldiers will be exposed to danger and the jihadists will be encouraged to try harder, rather than give up.

  4. It’s very simple. Let them go to Dar-al-Islam. They’re doing us a huge favour. They’ll quite likely get killed. If not, don’t let them back in. The Aussies have the right idea:

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/passports-of-australian-jihadists-cancelled-says-julie-bishop-20140622-3aly1.html

    As for stopping them going in the first place, here’s an analogy:
    If your body contracts a virus, it will try to get rid of that virus by mobilising its own defence mechanism. It gets rid of it via bodily fluids.
    The worst thing you could do would be to try to “contain” the virus, by “bottling it up”. That would make the body’s health worse, and could even be fatal. Yet that seems to be what most Western leaders seem intent on doing.
    More reason to vote UKIP if you live in the UK:

  5. UK you are so screwed. What is illegal about keeping people out of your country that have pledged allegiance to another state. They have a state.

    • Mike, pray tell us – and I’m not in the UK – what is so brilliant or different about the U.S. under Obama? Your disgusting president and his administration are assisting jihadis and promoting the Islamization of America – not least with immigration from Muslim lands. Most of your media, CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post (completely moronic!), etc, support him and are totally lame-brained. The U.S. has no plan to prevent people who are returning from fighting for ISIS from entering the U.S. (At least the Aussies are cancelling this passports). So, as idiotic as are David Cameron and the Hague fool, what is so different and less disgusting about the U.S.?

  6. “help them to recover and to assist others”
    —————————————————————–
    Suicidal thinking!

    They behave as though Islam is some kind of mental disease which has passively befallen on these ‘victims.’

    No, rather they knew exactly what they were doing and are active participants in their atrocious crimes.

    These leaders saying these things need to be dropped off in a Muslim infested area for a few weeks to learn more about Islamic culture. Perhaps, more suitable would be to drop them off somewhere where there is a sizable Muslim minority in which Muslims are ongoing aggressors toward Christians and other groups. They would soon learn how stupid they sound! Nice for them to make these calls while sitting in their air conditioned offices.

  8. I just can not feel sorry for these British folks. I can not feel sorry for my American liberal friends either. What will it take for these idiots to find out that their lives are in danger. That we are in a war against ISLAM. How more stupid can we get in the western world? I am beginning to think Allah is doing a number on us. How else can you explain this ignorance while muslims are yelling that they are going to cut our head off and they are doing it all over. Surreal!!!!!!!

  9. This will be music to the ears of UKIP. It will gain them more support.

  10. ==QUOTE==
    William Hague said that some [jihadis returning to Britain from the Islamic State] will “just need help because they will have been through an extremely traumatic period” while fighting overseas.
    ==UNQUOTE==
    “extremely traumatic period”? So, do jihadis suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)? I don’t recall any Quran passage or hadith covering this possibility. Has anyone been monitoring the jihadi magazines _Inspire_ and _Dabiq_? Do they have any articles giving jihadis advice about how to handle PTSD?

    • Hague is a bigger fool than I previously judged him. Incomprehensibly stupid, but Cameron must be in the same league for tolerating such a delusional clown. It’s as if the whole mob running the UK suffer from Stockholm Syndrome by just hearing about what Muslims are doing to people in Iraq and Syria.

      I’ve come to realize that whereas some are referring to these savages as “jihadis” and “Islamists”, etc, at the end of the day they are still just Muslims. It is Muslims who are the biggest persecutors of Christians, now the most persecuted group in the world.

  12. R.I.P Englandistan. Ironic you colonized so much of the world, yet you yourself are being colonized. What’s more ironic is most of your populace as well as the populace in the western world are ignorant to this fact, and in many cases help their colonizers.

  13. The British parliament must be just one big crack house and everyone in the govt must be on the pipe. Denmark has vowed to give the returnees jobs and now this in England.

  14. If you leave to fight with ISIS – goodbye, you can never return.

    We encourage you to fight with ISIS. The Caliphate is a wondrous place where everything goes just as you’d like it to, with Sharia law and willing young brides.

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    • More likely they will be welcomed back, will receive full state benefits and any critics will be called racist

    • This is what Winston Churchill wrote on the subject of Islam: “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.” The British people should get over their collective guilt over past colonialism and look at the reality of what is happening in todays world.

      • Sue, I agree.
        What a pity Muslims don’t suffer “collective guilt” over their 1,400 years of savagery, invasions, conquerings, brutalizings and ‘colonization’ to create a caliphate!

        It strikes me that no group or race of people is without responsibility for its past actions, whether it be the Aztecs capturing for sacrificial purposes and then cutting out the heart of member of other tribes, the past brutality of some North American aboriginal ‘Indians’, or Africans like the Hutu in Rwanda butchering Tutsi, the Mau Mau in Kenya, other savages in West Africa who went around hacking off limbs of their victims, and now Boko Haram in Nigeria – and this spilling over into neighbouring countries. The Mongols, too, had a brutal history.

        It’s the civilized people who later experience guilt, something that does not occupy the thoughts of Muslims because essentially, as a group, they reflect the teachings of the Qur’an and it is not a book for civilized people or teaches civilized practices. But never mind, all of this is lost on the like of David Cameron, William Hague, Theresa May, Barack Obama and Europeans leaders. Of the latter there does not appear one who possesses the brains of a chicken. Possibly Czech leadership continues to display some commendable intelligence, but it must be hard when part of the brainless EU.

        I think we can safely say to that British people should get over their collective guilt “over past colonization”, at least they took eduction and development to India, Africa and elsewhere.

      • you can be arrested now if quoting Churchill in public.

        How soon before the flag is banned as it might offend Muslims?

  16. So the government is going to help these returning islamists after decades of not helping english rape victims of Islam.
    Beyond sense.

  17. How can they be left stateless when they have joined the islamic state?
    You made your bed …… Sleep on it!
    In truth this would be very sad if it wasn’t so frightening.

  18. I thought some of you had got the Brit bashing out of your system for a while, after the recent flurry on another thread. It seems I was wrong.

  19. UK to aid jihadis returning from Islamic State if they have “good intentions”
    …………………………………

    Will British authorities bother to define those “good intentions”?

    One would hope so, because *this* is what Islam defines as “good intentions”:

    Narrated By Ibn ‘Abbas : ” The Prophet said, on the day of the Conquest of Mecca, “There is no migration (after the Conquest), but Jihad and *good intentions*, and when you are called for Jihad, you should immediately respond to the call.'” [emphasis mine—GI]

    So in Islam heeding the call to wage violent Jihad constitutes “good intentions”—not whatever these naïve Infidel tools believe it to be.

  20. From the article – “Downing Street initially floated the idea of banning radical Islamist fighters from coming back to Britain, but the proposal was dropped when it emerged that it would be illegal to make people stateless.”

    Illegal? says who?

    And – here’s the point – WHAT HAPPENS when the beheadings start happening not in ones – a granny here, Lee Rigby there – but in the *dozens*??
    What happens when the returned-from-Syria jihadis – whom it was “illegal” to make “stateless” (oh, pooor persecuted little petals!) – manage to slip through the surveillance net – which is already stretched to the max – and some of them swarm a primary school and *behead every non-Muslim child (after raping them all first)*?

    When those returned from Syria jihadis – whom it was deemed “illegal” to make “stateless” – succeed in blowing to bits dozens, hundreds, thousands of non-Muslim Brits (of every colour and all non-Islamic creeds) g on the trains or buses or a shopping centre around Christmas, or in a sports stadium?

    What matters is keeping non-Muslim British citizens *safe* from mass-murderous JIHAD.

    The ‘human rights’ of the mass-murdering jihadis – whose British passports are *despised* by them, but made use of as a temporary and tactical convenience – shouldn’t figure in the calculations, by this stage.

    Let them take out “Islamic State” passports!! That’s where their loyalties lie: to the Allah Gang, the Mohammedan Mob, the Ummah, the de facto Empire of Islam. In each and every majority-Infidel country in the entire world, the Muslims are a Fifth Column, perpetually a menace.

    When non-Muslim governments get *that* through their heads, there might be some sensible action taken.

  21. UK Jihadis who fight for the IS are traitors who fight for the enemy.
    They should be summarily executed.

    • ………Tried by a court then executed under treason laws.

      Imagine a UK citizen fighting for Germany during WW2 and then being “helped” once they decided to come back home……ridiculous. Australia imprisoned Jehovahs Witnesses during WW2 and they were pacifists who would not fight!

  22. Yes, the poor dears will be tired after their hard work murdering, raping, stealing, and genocide in the name of Allah. It is up to the UK taxpayer to step up and open their wallets when the jihadis return so they can get back on the dole and enjoy some R&R before getting back to imposing sharia law on Britian and returning to the muslim rape gang scene and plotting some good old down home throat cutting and bombings, eh wot? After all, it is the UK taxpayer who is responsible for their return to a normal muslim life in old blighty.

    The madness of Cameron’s suicide spiral for Britain keeps ramping up another notch each day! Is there any chance of an election there any time soon? Are the British public so hopelessly idiotic at this point that they aren’t going to completely wipe his party off the electoral map? Is there any chance of that at all?

    • If you can’t control your anti-British spite you might at least get your stereotypes up to date. No one has said “Eh wot” for a hundred years, if they ever did outside the stories of PG Wodehouse.

      As if it’s any better wherever you are!

  23. “Downing Street initially floated the idea of banning radical Islamist fighters from coming back to Britain, but the proposal was dropped when it emerged that it would be illegal to make people stateless.”

    Then there is no protection from treason. I’m not a lawyer – but isn’t that the fate of all treasonous felons? of any nation? that they become stateless? of their own doings?

  24. This is stupidity on a whole new level. But then this is the UK, so I retract my opening statement.

  25. I wonder what it will take for the UK to finally come to their senses. Seriously, I have nothing.

  26. The resistance movement needs to speak with one voice on traitorous politicians like this, that the death penalty for traitors, abolished by the number one traitor, tony blair, WILL be restored, and WILL be applied to traitors like William Hague, Cameron, Millipede and co.

  27. ” Most of the evil of this world is done by people with good intentions.” –
    T.S. Eliot.

  30. Hague to returning Jihadi:
    ‘So apart from raping a couple of Yazidi teenagers and beheading their male family members, you were pretty well behaved’
    Jihadi: ‘Yeah innit’
    Hague: Fine Well here’s your benefits book and the key to your free accommodation.
    Also our special ‘Welcome Pack’ item this week is a free car’

  31. John Galt XVIIII

    “You Brits are really supid fuc&’s”

    I’d appreciate it if you could direct your comments at the idiots in Whitehall rather than my nation. I could just as easily say the same about Americans (or any other western country except Israel).

    @ Robert Spencer – Robert, your blog is a valuable resource however, I have noticed in recent months that your commentary of the articles you post is increasingly partisan. This is particularly the case with articles concerning the UK. Whilst I can understand your increasing frustration with the apologists and the establishment, your tabloid tone isn’t adding to the argument. More often that not these articles highlight the atrocity and lunacy themselves, all you really have to do is to collate them to paint the picture. Getting into slagging matches with the apologists and muslims is merely undermining your position as a serious commentator.

    As far as your posts concerning the UK are concerned. As you know there are millions in the UK who agree with you and are deeply concerned with the threats to our renaissance, enlightenment and the rights we have fought for over the years. Recent governments from both sides of the house have undermined our freedom of speech, understand that we in the UK do not have a written constitution, technically we are subjects and it is a major flaw in our democracy which permits the pernicious erosion of those rights, many of which we as a people pioneered. The Home Office’s action in banning you from the country was an example of this ‘head in the sand’ mentality that infects the establishment at all levels. However, please do not let your frustration with the UK government and media to come out in your articles as attacks against the country as a whole.

    There is a very important election happening in the UK in May 2015. Now if the Scottish Referendum was anything to go by there will be a massive upheaval in political power in the UK in May. The UK voters are fed up, they have missed out on the global economy (like many others in the west), they see large corporates getting away without paying any taxes, they see the spread of islam and the undermining of their communities, they see attacks on their traditions and way of life. For too long the government, both sides, have written off protest against this as a few ‘far right fanatics’. Of course there are a few but what they fail to realise is that the vast majority of people who are concerned with these issues are from all shades of the political spectrum. membership of the EU, taxation, regional powers, immigration, islamification. Any criticism is written off as racist or ‘swivel eyed loonery’.

    Of course, the irony is that the very laws and attitude that has and is stifling the debate around jihad has created this resentment against the political status quo.

    So please, can you moderate your attacks on the UK and focus them on the government and establishment, I can assure you we have a huge task ahead of us without having to defend ourselves from unjust criticism from those who should be our allies.

    It took us a while to wake up to Hitler, appeasement is always the product of many decades of peace or a reaction to the horror of war. However, we did wake up then and we will wake up now.

    Keep up the good work

    • Crixus our Government (and previous Government) are allowing a Fifth Column to grow in this country. This I see as not only naïve, thoroughly stupid beyond measure, and incompetent, but a very serious difference to what happened in the decision period prior to the eventual war with Hitler. (And what we are facing is worse than Nazism!)

      As a result if we ever eventually wake up it is either going to be very very messy or already lost.

      Are you really that hopeful? Do you really think it will be okay, because we (The media, the people and our Government) will wake up and have the resolve, will and competence to sort things out?

      We can only vote for what is put in front of us. And I have to face the reality that a large number of my fellow countrymen still continue to vote Labour and they have never shown this slightest sign of even recognising that a problem even exists. The LibDems are even worse. And the Conservatives are really not that different to Labour.

      Now UKIP and LibertyGB may be different, but what are you going to say if come election day my countrymen still vote in large numbers for Labour and the Conservatives? And the media and all arms of the Politically ‘Correct’ Thought Police still hold sway? What then?

      I am old enough that I will not suffer the full, all too obvious, result of all this.

  32. Re returning Jihadis.

    I do not believe that the Australian solution is the way forward, all it does is pass on the problem elsewhere and most likely to another English speaking country.

    Here’s my approach –

    If over 18 when they left for the war they should be imprisoned and tried for treason and murder – life imprisonment with a minimum of 40 years.

    If they are under 18 when they return they should be placed into a secure school and held, as children are, “at her majesty’s pleasure”. This effectively means 10 years of re education, if at this point they are showing no remorse then try them for treason and hurl them into prison for 40 years.

    set this law in stone, make examples of individuals and the message will sink in.

    • “…all it does is pass on the problem elsewhere and most likely to another English speaking country.”

      Not if the those countries agreed on the same policy. If every country did what the Aussies have suggested, these jihadists will be unable to access ANY Western country. They’ll be stuck in the deserts of dar-al-Islam…..

    • Crixus, I like your thinking. Draconian but practical when dealing with the evil that is Islam. The West is in a fight for its freedom, but so far its leaders and disgraceful media haven’t awoken to the harsh reality.

  33. Foolish in the extreme, an act of gross negligence on the part of the UK government! There’s no doubt blood will be on their hands.

  34. It’s not just in the UK but in Canada too. Here’s what Ray Boisvert had to say on CBC’s “The National” on Monday, October 28, as part of a “Turning Point” panel on the threat of ISIS and Canadian jihadis fighting overseas:

    “I think we have to take some risks and that may involve also encouraging some people to come home. If we do, it’s a very difficult game. That means more resources and impacts some place like CSIS and the RCMP, CBSA and others. How do they manage the borders, how do they manage the people coming in? But I think those are assets we need to get out of those theatres, out of those conflict zones, and I think it twill give us lots of opportunity then because they wil see, they know now what they were doing over there was wrong and they were trying to get away and get out, but they feel like now they can’t come home. So I think that’s a challenge.”

    I’m not making this up, this is a verbatim transcript.

    Ray Boisvert, it should be noted, is a former assistant director of CSIS, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. RCMP is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, CBSA is the Canada Border Services Agency.

  36. It is my impression that there is a fair amount of anti-British feeling on JW, coming primarily from Robert Spencer and echoed by the Greek chorus here. It goes beyond the scorn we all feel for our leaders and I’m starting to get the impression that Robert Spencer is not above holding personal grudges because of the disgraceful episode when he was banned from Britain and the Tommy Robinson affair.

    I have sent links to several stories to JW, some like the one here about Hague and some showing positive signs of fight back, but only the negative ones get picked up on.

    To concentrate on the EDL, I only started posting on their forum around the time of the departure of the late, unlamented Robinson. I don’t know anything about the ins and outs of that business but I can tell you that in the last year they have kicked out the real far-right elements who I believe have found their way to other groups such as Britain First. If you look at their forum, their Twitter feed or the Facebook site I think you won’t find much there to frighten the horses.

    You won’t know that it was them who forced Shameless Shaun Wright to resign by camping outside his office until he did, nor about the demonstrations they held recently at Downing Street and the BBC because they have been banished to the outer darkness. I really wish Robert Spencer would look again at them or tell us why he still does not think that they are your best allies in Britain.

  37. So it now appears that after 3000 years of Civilization, political correctness will sound its death knoll. So TS Eliot was right, it will die not with a bang but a whimper.

  38. Hello all,

    All administrations have difficult balancing acts to perform. The UK currently is juggling high and mighty.

    1) Do we leave the EU or pay the 2Billion Euros “fine” for the economy doing well?

    2) Do we finger wag the Quataris for financing ISIS whilst they own half of London (e.g. the shard) and so much of “our” economy.

    3) The British have always had the answers…so can they “de-program” mujahadeen to moderate muslims …. where others have failed? ~They feel they must try.

    4) The British sense of fair play and championing the underdog is legendary.

    5) The other elements are the rich…for them it is business as usual…all they want to know is whether (and how) they can make money via Islam. If there is money to be made – Muslims must be able to come back and stay.

    In concluding I have been surprised at the help that the Government is providing.

    The British know that muslims have been underdogs and victims of ISIS propaganda and are doing all they can….they do not believe that they are building a rod for their own back ….so you need to get up , clap and support your government….

    here hear …eyes right….give it up for Bill Haig.

    More Later….

    Rezali

    • @Rezali Mehil

      “All administrations have difficult balancing acts to perform.”

      Commanded in the Koran…

      Mass Murder…………………………….009.005 – 033.061
      Gang Rape……………………………….033.052
      Beheadings………………………………047.004
      Crucifixions……………………………..005.033
      Robbery…………………………………..008.041
      Telling lies to non-muslims…………003.028
      Cutting off hands and feet…………..005.033
      Treason……………………………………008.067
      Racism…………………………………….005.041

      There is no such thing as a “moderate muslim”. If you don’t keep those commands – then you’re not a muslim – no matter how much you claim to be one. And there is NO “balancing act” to be had with such monsters. Period! Only corruption would associate with those who bow down to those teachings – teachings that are sickening to the very core.

      And here you are, pushing that infamous lie “moderate muslims” – supporting those teachings. You are either for those teachings – or you are against them. There is no in-between. And I pray that the awakening that is taking place will take these facts into consideration. Only then, will the majority see your real charactor – and they won’t be interested in ANY THING that you have to say. There is no defense for those evil teachings.

      • Nice riposte. Notice that “Rezali Mehil” never revisits when others offer up challenges or questions.

        (Also, the rather sophisticated locutions of the recent comments posted by “Rezali Mehil” indicate that it’s highly unlikely that whoever he or she is, he or she is not a native Muslim but rather a Westerner; and given that the predominant drift and purport of his or her posts have been Islamopologetic, one may logically conclude he or she is a Leftist extremist. Though it is possible he or she could be a Muslim who has grown up in the West and become formed (i.e., deformed) by Western Academe, thus using that education for Islamopologetics, there is nevertheless a je ne sais quoi about his or her posts that betray a non-Islamic Western quality which, unfortunately, includes deformed Leftism.)

        • Correction (damned double negatives!)

          “indicate that it’s highly unlikely that whoever he or she is, he or she is not a native Muslim but rather a Westerner”

          should be:

          “indicate that it’s highly likely that whoever he or she is, he or she is not a native Muslim but rather a Westerner”

        • Thank you voegelinian. I agree with you.

          (for the record, you write a whole lot better than I can – but I have other qualities – like being able to get my point across – when I’m angry. lols – And as a side note: I think Robert Spencer is one of the best writers – probably the best – that I have ever witnessed. It’s not just his qualifications on the subject – but the demeanor and character that shines through his words are very impressive to me. I love Robert Spencer’s writings. I wish I had an ounce of his talent)

        • Hi Voege,

          I am a muslima and happy with my lot. I have a British university education…and want too thank you for compliment of me being highly educated….and that it shows.

          More Later…

          Rezali

        • Beth, I agree that Spencer has excellent writing qualities in three respects — a dry, wry wit; an evident literacy in a breadth of cultural references; and a mature demeanor. However, I feel that in terms of content — with regard to the analytical problem of Islam — he presents an inordinately soft underbelly of a chewy nougaty core (which I have analyzed at exhausting length on my now retired second blog, “Jihad Watch Watch”).

        • “I have a British university education…and want too thank you for compliment of me being highly educated…”

          It shows all too well — a bit too well — like a corner of beard showing from the wardrobe malfunction of a niqaab.

    • ”I am a muslima and happy with my lot.”

      Bollocks. You’re a paki mohammedan male. Unless ‘muslimas’ regularly smoke cigars in celebration of the deaths of ‘infidels’ ?

      If you had a ‘British university education’, why can’t you tell the difference between ‘to’, and ‘too’, and why don’t you know how to use them ?

      And, old rezali rumplestiltskin, you *still* haven’t taken my advice ! Get your mohammedan arse over to IS; I don’t know how many times I’ve told you, but you’re still dragging the old sandals – it’s not because you’re a yellow bellied mohammedan coward, is it ?

      All the best to the wifies, and keep cosseting the old beard, rumplestiltskin !

      More later, chumbawumba ! 🙂

  39. UK needs an exile law for traitors. Anyone who joins a terrorist state is a traitor. Citizenship is a privilege.

  40. We can see from the mass demonstrations in Hungary which successfully stopped the government imposing an internet tax, just how powerful the people can be.

    RISE UP ENGLISH PEOPLE – YOU’LL LOSE YOUR HEADS IF YOU DON’T!

  41. Appeasement to evil is the road to ruin. The UK is not alone on this road, but it is leading the caravan. ISIS fighters are murderer’s. Some participated in atrocity. Do you want one or more of these terrorists living next door to you? The plan and theory are loony and unnecessarily endanger the public.. These returnee’s should be banned and arrested if they show up. The appeasing elite should be unelected and kept that way.

    • You wrote – “ISIS fighters are murderer’s. Some participated in atrocity. Do you want one or more of these terrorists living next door to you?”

      THAT is exactly the point that all UK jihadwatchers, whether posters or lurkers, should I hope be making – not once but many times – in letters to their elected representatives. Or perhaps when getting into groups and going to beard said elected reps in their dens. Or when holding rallies with banners.

      “We don’t want beheaders moving in next door”.

      Not only UK jihadwatchers, either: US jihadwatchers. Aussie jihadwatchers. Canadians. Dutch. French. Everybody from any non-Muslim country at all that knows that Muslims from the Ummah colonies within *their* country are likely to be returning “home” after having had a jolly good time raping, beheading, and committing sundry other atrocities in Syria or Iraq.

      • ”THAT is exactly the point that all UK jihadwatchers, whether posters or lurkers, should I hope be making – not once but many times – in letters to their elected representatives.”

        I just wrote to that tosser, Hague, asking him if he was going to invite returning jihadis ”with good intentions” to live next door to *him*. Wanker. No, *wicked* wanker.

  42. Perhaps this gesture of good will should be extended to all others in society.

    Imprisoned sex offenders who vow they will never do it again should be released and given jobs at the day care centers of their choice.

  43. “Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves”. This old song is dead. Britannia nowadays doesn’t rule even its own house. What a pity! The mighty British have become a bunch of mighty cowards.

  44. WOW
    You people in the UK need to get the socialist out of power, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of….. its possible this is a test to see if ISMA and Socialism is set in you country before going to their next step….

    JOHN ROWE USMC in the USA

  45. Cant believe some of the shit I have read on here, which country is getting butt fucked by muslims the most u.s.a or the u.k. It matters little we are both in a mess . Instead of arguing on here about it, we should be looking at what can be done, one thing is crystal clear politicians on both side of the pond are a waste of oxygen

    • The voters are not blameless. I have never voted for these cretins (Labour, Conservative or LibDems. For the exact reasons that we are complaining on here and more.

      When will the rest of my countrymen (in overwhelming numbers) wake up?

  47. Man is the only kind of varmint that sets his own trap, baits it, then steps in it. ~ John Steinbeck

  48. I am from the left, would vote for UKIP now, it is the best move for the time been, to content a little bit the state of affairs.
    But things a looking bad, real bad.

  49. So we in the UK come down like a ton of bricks on those planning to leave or help others go fight (aid in some cases), but offer care and compassion to those coming back from jihad. Thats odd.

  50. Well Well UK,
    The Agenda now in America is we get rid of Progressive you call them but us Jar Head Marines call them commie or Marxist, now we ditched our democrat party in bed & Hi-Jacked with them and the UN Sustained Development Agenda 21 Elite Communist Muslim garbage, we will now Get Out America Back.
    Tell the Agenda trying to take your wealth in name of Green climate change to kiss your a-s-s

    Now it is your Turn UK, your time to step and remove the socialist scum USURPING your government culture, Since Muslimism is an Ideology I now bust dumb asses in mouth after they call it religion after 1 warning. This conquering scheme is designed to kill and be supreme over Christians’. Apparently our POPE today doesn’t excite the Vatican and warriors of god anymore… maybe someone should ask why ?

    So to you Brit’s whom are no commies Socialist, do you due diligence, time for words are gone and time to act is now, go figure, figure it out, improvise, adapt or stick your ass in the air!

    JOHN ROWE United States Marine Corps in AMERICA

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