The death toll grows. We heard earlier that a “number of people had been hit,” so the death toll may go higher still. AP has this: “Police say 34-year-old man and 38-year-old woman are among 3 dead in Sydney hostage crisis.” Time for another mainstream media story about “backlash” against Muslims.
“Gunman and Two Others Dead in Sydney Hostage Crisis,” by Hamish MacDonald, Dan Good, Rym Momtaz and Meghan Keneally, ABC, December 15, 2014:
The gunman who had been holding people hostage inside a chocolate store in downtown Sydney has been killed, Australian police confirmed to ABC News.
And two other people have been killed, a highly place Australian source told ABC News.
The suspect had previously been identified as Man Monis by local news reports, and the manner in which he died still remains unclear but New South Wales police have confirmed his death. The identities of the two others killed were not immediately revealed.
Police stormed the Lindt Chocolate Cafe in the early hours of Tuesday morning, local time, and three injuries have been reported, including one policeman.
Explosions of what were believed to be flash bang grenades were heard when police stormed the shop and while there were many loud noises, it is not clear if or how many shots were fired by either police or Monis during the face off.
At 10:19 a.m. ET, a group of at least seven heavily armed police officers went into the Lindt cafe under the cover of loud bangs of what local news Channel 9 is calling stun grenades. Shortly after the police stormed the café, at least two hostages emerged, looking visibly shaken.
A few minutes later, a few paramedics were seen entering the café behind police officers with medical packs — followed by at least two stretchers. The explosive police action came shortly after a new wave of hostages emerged from the shop.
Monis was believed to be a self-proclaimed Islamic “sheikh” who is known to Australian police because he was allegedly involved in dozens of counts of sexual assault, according to Australia’s 9News.
He was born in Iran as Manteghi Bourjerdi and migrated to Australia in 1996, according to the station.
Champ says
The gunman who had been holding people hostage inside a chocolate store in downtown Sydney has been killed, Australian police confirmed to ABC News.
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Good. Swift justice has been carried out …
And my deepest condolences to the family and friends who lost their loved one(s) during this savage siege: courtesy evil islam and company.
Champ says
ps …
I would also like to express my appreciation to Jihad Watch–not only for bringing us the Truth about islam and company–but for allowing us the opportunity to express our thoughts and opinions here where islam is concerned. This is especially important at a time when we are FLOODED with lies and 1/2 truths about islam & co that are coming from every direction–even from the Top. I can honestly state that we cannot count on the MSM, or even our president, to present the unvarnished Truth about islam .
But here we can learn the ugly Truth, and even express it …
***FREEDOM*** Hey I imagine that that word is like nails on a chalkboard to those that oppose the Truth.
Champ says
And not just our president, but from the majority of world leaders …hmm, it seems that Imanutjob is one of the few who’s honest about islam by declaring he wants to “wipe Israel & America off the map” …oh, and Netanyahu gets it. Anyone else? ..I’m at a loss.
Mirren10 says
Excellent posts, Champ, particularly number two.
”But here we can learn the ugly Truth, and even express it …”
Indeed. I’ve been watching this horrible unfolding saga on the telly – the coverage is utterly sickening, in that the main concern from the msm is that muslims shouldn’t be ‘upset’, and suffer some wholly imaginary ‘backlash’. Blech.
On another topic, I left a comment on the ”Biden schools Hirsi Ali” thread, which I think deals with the lamentable Jen; I just hope she sticks by her erstwhile determination not to comment here again. Twats like her, we do **not** need.
She shouldn’t try to teach her granny (you 🙂 ) to suck eggs !
Champ says
Thank you, Mirren10! …yes, Jihad Watch is one of the few remaining news sources that exposes the role that islam plays in global conflict. And I agree that it’s *very* hard to listen to disinformation about this siege that’s passing as news coverage, and ‘honest’ journalism, from the MSM; especially when your eyes have been opened to the Truth about islam & co ..and I’ll check out that other thread. Gosh, do I want to?
As always, you’re the best! ..take care, my friend 🙂
Wellington says
I went back to that other thread, Mirren (the one about silly Biden trying to enlighten an already enlightened Hirsi Ali), and read through the “give and take” between Champ, you and Jen (with gravenimage’s commentary as well). What I want to say here about this is this: Easily bruised egos are not a help to Jihad Watch. Though Jen has made several valid points on many threads, I think she has erred by chastising others here at JW for “not doing enough.” Also, to the extent she really means not to comment here anymore, I think such a resolution is a mistake and an even greater error by her.
Jen “gets’ Islam and that should be enough. A bruised ego should, by contrast, never be enough to quit here at JW——for any reason. As an example, voegelinian and I have had sundry disagreements about how to deal with Muslims in the West, but, to his credit, he has never taken such disagreements so personally as to, in full hissy-fit fashion, indicate he will no longer comment here at JW.
My God, in the effort to defeat what Islam intends for all of the West, the very last thing of importance should be a bruised ego. Egos don’t matter at all. Correctly identifying Islam for the inveterate enemy of Western Civilization, which it is, is all that should matter. If there’s a “dust-up” from time to time between commenters who “get” Islam, this is understandable, very human in fact, and so be it, but such “dust-ups” are, ultimately of little importance and should be seen as such by all here who fully comprehend Mo’s creed, and thus such “dust-ups” should be relegated not just to a secondary status but to a tertiary one and quickly buried to boot.
Hope you and yours are doing well, Mirren. Always good to read your posts here at JW. As always I remain
Incorrigibly yours,
Wellington
voegelinian says
People here seem less concerned with ideas, and more concerned with personal feelings and interpersonal aesthetics. Back-assward priorities for this context: one important part of a movement that mainly is involved in a war-of-ideas phase of a wider, deadly-grave war.
(The reason this war is primarily being transacted in a war-of-ideas mode is because our representatives in our free societies, our governments and news media (and academe), are not doing their jobs in advancing the war to the next phase, but rather are doing everything they can (mostly witlessly) to stymie that necessary advance.)
Champ says
voeg wrote:
People here seem less concerned with ideas, and more concerned with personal feelings and interpersonal aesthetics. Back-assward priorities for this context: one important part of a movement that mainly is involved in a war-of-ideas phase of a wider, deadly-grave war.
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I completely disagree with voeg’s assessment of friendships that have formed here on JW. And who died and made voeg the diplomat of conduct and decorum on JW?
DO NOT minimize the importance of Friendships!
And to use voeg’s example of, “war-of-ideas” and “deadly-grave war”; even among those whom serve in the military, bonds and friendships are formed as it helps build morale!
Sadly, building morale is something that voeg is desperately defecit in ..and he spends a lot of his time mocking the majority of commenters here by referring to them as “Softies”, etc.
That said, I do believe that voeg can turn his funky attitude around–if he chose to, and begin to build up other’s morale, rather than tearing it down.
Peace.
voegelinian says
I believe in friends and friendship. It’s too bad there aren’t many in this community who believe in it for anyone who disagrees with their ideas.
Wellington says
Echoing Mirren, fine posts and particularly that second one of yours, Champ. Jihad Watch is indeed a place where truth is still paramount, which can’t be said of major news networks nor, as well, the present crop of Western leaders, who increasingly have much blood on their hands precisely because they refuse to correctly characterize the religion which has HUGE amounts of blood on its hands (some 1400 years and counting and with zero capacity to recognize this, let alone apologize for it). In the final analysis, complicity with evil is essentially as evil as evil itself, arguably sometimes even more so precisely because it provides cover to wickedness.
Hope you’re doing well, my friend. Take care.
Champ says
Thank you, Wellington!
All is well, here, and I hope the same for you and yours! …and I’ve been busy with preparations for Christmas, and my decorating is done; shopping completed (except for a few stocking stuffers), and ready to focus on the main event: the Food!! Right! …it’s all about the gifts and all that yummy Food, lol! ..and then back to the gym in 2015 😉
The holidays are here, so I want to wish you and yours a very, Merry Christmas!
…a tad bit early, I know 🙂
TruthPrevails says
What truth are you talking about?Does JW exposes Elite’s main motive behind mass scale immigration?JW want s us to believe our politicians and all proponents of immigrations are naive to the danger of Islam..No my friend they are not ignorant,they have imported them on a purpose and that is genocide of ethnic westeen people..If you can’t call out the elites involved in it ..you are fighting symptoms not disease..tc
Wellington says
How, TruthPrevails, do you know the “main motive behind mass scale immigration” of Muslims to Western nations? You claim that the motive is “the genocide of ethnic westeen {sic} people.” What proof can you offer? I admit that many current Western leaders who are suffused with ideas about what a negative taking pride in your heritage is if your heritage is white European, but I don’t think this adds up to a deliberate policy of genocide.
Rather, I think it does bespeak of extraordinary ignorance, prejudice and naivety which is proving immensely harmful to Western nations now and well into the future. The effect (in a worst case scenario) may largely by the same, i.e., the obliteration of traditional national European groupings, but I would argue that it is not done with deliberate genocide in mind as you have stated. After all, one should never overlook the fact that ignorance and stupidity can produce as bad or sometimes even worse effects than any deliberate policy, including a conscious policy of genocide.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington. There is a great deal of unearned guilt in the modern West, but actual hatred of the West and a desire for her destruction is, thankfully, much rarer.
Most of the liberals I know are just starry-eyed over the unquestioned benefits of “diversity”—which is not a value in and of itself. If that “diversity” takes the form of a hideously violent, supremacist creed, then it is of no benefit to the society it infiltrates, but most of these naïfs choose not to notice.
As dangerous as this is, it *is not* the same as a deliberate, malevolent desire to destroy the free West.
It is also, no matter how ingrained, more susceptible to eventual correction.
Salah says
Two innocents are dead. Why? because honest citizens are not allowed to carry concealed weapons and defend themselves.
This has to change. Police cannot protect everyone all the time.
jihad3tracker says
I am not the author of the following 24 Karat nugget of truth, but this is a perfect time to repeat it :
“WHEN SECONDS COUNT, THE POLICE ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY.”.
Neil Jennison says
A tragic outcome as it seems two innocent people are dead.
Carrying concealed weapons is not the answer….I am a great fan of the USA, which has been a bulwark of strength for the free world over the years. But sometimes I get a little iritated that some USA citizens seem to think everything about US culture is superior.
The fact is, most people in the UK are very happy that concealed weapon carrying is illegal, and that in general it makes the UK a safer country. I suspect the same is true of Australia.
I am not criticising US gun culture – that is your way and that is your right. But don’t try to tell us it would be good for the rest of us.
Salome says
I’m Australian and I agree. People died because of the evil ideology that had infected the perpetrator and that he was in Australia in the first place.
Jax Tolmen says
I find it deeply inappropriate to use the deaths of innocents for certain commenters to push a pro – gun agenda on foreign citizens. Now is not the time to have that talk.
This COULD have been stopped by a member of the public with a gun. Or it could have gone a lot worse and many more people could be dead.
I applaud the police on their fine work.
Champ says
Bravo, Jax! …well stated and appropriate.
Wolfgang says
@Jax Tolmen said
……This COULD have been stopped by a member of the public with a gun. Or it could have gone a lot worse and many more people could be dead…..
[ No,wrong , irrelevant statement…..NO member of the public in Australia carries a gun ]
…..”I find it deeply inappropriate to use the deaths of innocents for certain commenters to push a pro – gun agenda on foreign citizens.”……
who is pushing an agenda ?, one question for you, have you ever been a victim of violent crime yourself ? if so what did YOU do to stop it ?. Yes it is sad two people died, but now is the time to bring up what people can do to defend themselves !
dumbledoresarmy says
As I understand it, the final denouement was precipitated when one of the hostages – a very smart bloke – having been waiting and watching and biding his time, saw the gunman beginning to “drop off” in the wee sma’s of the morning. (This is, of course, the time of night/ morning when the police, also, would if they were smart have brought in fresh, well-slept reinforcements, for exactly the same reason; to be able to “seize the moment” when the gunman’s physical reserves began to flag and his eyes to droop).
The hostage pounced and tried to wrest the gun from the gunman. As he was doing this – and sadly he didn’t succeed – no less than six or seven other hostages – who, it seems, must have been *also* just lying doggo, biding their time and keeping awake, watching for a chance – managed to make a break for it and get away. (We must bear in mind, before anyone accuses those other folks of cowardice, that both the police and the hostages were under the impression that there may have been a bomb either on the gunman’s person, or somewhere in the vicinity; the main thing, therefore, is for as many people to get as far away from the presumed epicentre as possible).
Now, had that young cafe manager had serious *unarmed combat* training, he would probably have been able to “take out” the gunman a lot faster and harder, *without* needing a gun to do it.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the additional information, DDA. Do you know if the brave man who grappled with the Jihadist survived?
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
And there is also the other aspect of this.
In this case, there was a jihadi with a sawn-off shotgun.
Which he suddenly pulled out of his bag, while everyone’s still waking up after their morning shot of caffeeine or hot chocolate. He was going to shoot anyone who made any sudden moves. I assume he yelled “hands up” at everyone. And we don’t know whether he then “frisked” the patrons just to make sure nobody *was* carrying a potential weapon of any kind.
But suppose he had done something entirely different.
Suppose he had had a BOMB in the bag, or under his jacket, or in a backpack, and simply walked into the cafe, sat down, ordered his coffee, and…detonated the bomb?
Fat lot of good guns would have been in *that* scenario.
Wolfgang says
@Jennison said …….
” Carrying concealed weapons is not the answer….”
[ Really ? what IS your answer then ? ]
” The fact is, most people in the UK are very happy that concealed weapon carrying is illegal, and that in general it makes the UK a safer country. I suspect the same is true of Australia ”
[ The UK has the highest crime rate in Europe ]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
and here…..
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/man-in-china-created-fleet-of-floating-doomsday-pods-2/
After banning handguns in the UK , the homicide rate DOUBLED….
There are many other sources I can cite where the exact same thing shows UK crime of all types is off the charts in the UK.
and this……
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/28/will-banning-guns-stop-homicides-stats-from-england-and-australia-show/
Comparing Australia and the UK with the USA, crime has been going DOWN in the USA for the last 16 years, its at the lowest level for this year, murder with a gun in the USA is NOT the number one cause of death.
As for Australia per capita per 100,000 people Australian crime stats of all types is higher than the USA……..you can look up the figures here….IF you are so inclined.
http://apo.org.au/research/crime-statistics-20112012
You are an idiot and a brainless one at that,so are many like you , you say that Australia is OK with citizens not being armed ? prove it !, show us all the empirical evidence !, as for the UK , the poor old UK has the highest crime rate in all of Europe. The Australian Federal Govt DISARMED the whole country of semi auto firearms and made it a CRIMINAL offense to OWN a semi automatic rifle without jumping through hoops to get it, 2 years ago they put further restrictions on the ammunition allowed and also you CANNOT buy 22 cal ammo IF its not stated on your pre purchase firearm form which MUST show your firearm serial number. At what point do stupid non thinking people like you stop to think that NOT being able to protect yourself against violent aggressive attack is OK ?, too many Australians are sheep, like the UK.
You and many others spout the bullshit that the USA is ” different ” from other people ? how so ? last time I traveled to Europe , they want the same thing as people in the USA, to live without having someone looking over their shoulder, to live peacefully, to go home to their family each day,
Everyone has the RIGHT to defend their bodily self from violent attack ! a firearm is a credible and easy way to do just that. How does a person in a wheel chair defend himself from a 300 pound thug ? or the 150 housewife with two small kids at home from a home invasion from 3 scum breaking down the front door ? a few days ago a 72 year old man in Rockhampton in Queensland has a large rock thrown through the wiindscreen on his SUV while driving along a country road, then the 18 year old lowlife beat the dazed old man to death, look it up, another ” wonderful “”way for some defenseless old man to die. The thug should have been shot on the spot.
That is why people are armed, that is why people defend themselves with a gun. So the USA is no different from any other western country, just the USA has articulated the rights to defend one self in a codified written form that [ supposedly] cannot be taken away from a Federal govt.
One last thing, Sydney has about 5 million people, there are 17,000 Cops in the NSW Police to the cover the hundreds of thousands on square miles of the State of NSW, work out the math, there is not enough Police to cover the state !.
So lets ask an intelligent question shall we ?……who will PROTECT you and yours ?…..the answer is a three letter word.
voegelinian says
“After banning handguns in the UK , the homicide rate DOUBLED….”
It wasn’t directly because handguns were banned that the homicide rate (and other violent crimes) increased. It was due more to a transformation of the UK through a disastrously promiscuous and irrationally indisriminate open immigration policy over decades — a policy that became monstrously worse — not only in the UK, but throughout Europe (cf. Bat Ye’or’s Eurabia and other works on this) — when the immigrants have not been prejudicially discriminated against on the basis of whether they are Muslim or not.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/aug/06/past.politics
Wolfgang says
What crap……quoting the MSM ? the Guardian of all pieces of rag ?…….I thought you could do better than that.
The Home office records violent crime clearance stats vastly different than the FBI clearing house do, the US records crime stats clearly and in easy to follow reports, the UK home office does not due to coronial inquests, royal commissions and reports from local Magistrates and overlapping crime categories.
Don’t put out information that is wrong. Think you can do it ?
voegelinian says
I haven’t the foggiest what Wolfgang is fulminating against. Perhaps he could be clearer.
Mirren10 says
”The fact is, most people in the UK are very happy that concealed weapon carrying is illegal, and that in general it makes the UK a safer country. I suspect the same is true of Australia.”
Crap, and speak for yourself. You really think the police in the UK are the slightest bit concerned about your safety, your **life** ??
We have a government, a police force, that couldn’t give a rats arse about our lives, our safety. All they are concerned about, in the case of government, is mohammedan votes; in the case of the police, all they care about is protecting their careers, and doing what our masters tell them to do, in order to protect those careers.
Do I want the right to carry a gun ? Damn right I do. ‘Government’, and the police, have reneged on their responsibility to protect us. Therefore we *must* protect ourselves. And I’m going to busily research how to do exactly that.
Wolfgang says
@Mirren
The UK has the highest crime rate in all Europe……a link
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/man-in-china-created-fleet-of-floating-doomsday-pods-2/
There are dozens of more sources I can cite…..so much for the bullshit Jennison and others push about the UK being safe, when the UK banned handguns the rate of homicide in the UK DOUBLED over the next two years, its been climbing over the last 10 years, Romanian drug gangs and Russian Mafia bring in AK47s by the truck load across the channel, dimwits and blind fools say that things are better !. Friends of ours in Birmignham ring to tell us what a shithole it is now, we had a friend of my wife rang yesterday crying about the breakins she has had and the good ol bobby did nothing and took her report but admonished her if she defended herself she would ” face the law “.
Brits have been sold down the river by their overlords, you are 100 percent correct.
Tom Davis says
Wolfgang, another stat you may want to use is that the U.S. homicide rate is still 32% lower than the global average.
Mirren10 says
@Wolfgang:
Yes. Everything you say is painfully true.
Also, just google the percentage of murders, in the UK, since the repeal of the death penalty, compared to the percentage *before* the repeal. Talk about illuminating.
And of course, who was responsible for said repeal ? Yep, you guessed it. The left, aka in the UK as *Labour*.
I hate the left only a little less than I hate islam, and its devotees.
Wolfgang says
some suggestions for you :
Kubotan, Monkey fist, ka-bar Mule, wasp spray, Grav-Maga……..
Tom Davis says
“I am not criticising US gun culture – that is your way and that is your right.”
Thank you
“But don’t try to tell us it would be good for the rest of us.”
But that may not be what Salah intended. The fact is that many Americans are sick and tired of our do-gooders telling us that what is good for the rest of us is to be like Britain and Australia.
Wolfgang says
@Tom
i personally hate it when thoughtless brainless idiots spout the lie that the USA is overridden with guns, are there idiots who own guns ? yes there are !, are there idiots who misuse guns ? yes there are !, like all things they can be used the wrong way, but with 300 million guns in the hands of 65 millions people the odds are really remarkable that so few crimes are committed by gun owners, if a person is so inclined you can go to the DHS website and look up the FBI stats for the 2013 year, if anything the FBI would like to have further controls on firearm ownership [ a law enforcement wet dream to have total control ] but the FBI cannot enforce draconian controls because for one, their own stats don’t lie, namely that firearms ownership in civilian hands has DECREASED crime.
By world standards as used by the FBI the US ranks LOW ! [ its not even in the top 10 ]
Oh by the way, 3 times in my life I have used a firearm to stop a violent crime on my self and my loved one’s or neighbors.
my experience is first hand of confronting violent, drug addicted people, how many feeble minded do gooders on JW have had that experience ?.
Now should it be brought out that the young woman and young man grappled with the gunman, then they are real heroes , the majority of people in there were and are sheep, seem’s unkind, but think about it, people exhibit two responses under extreme violence, fight or flight, fight or flight…….there is a third, they freeze……and that is what 25 or so people did freeze, in hostage training, you train your mind, to MOVE ! under duress !, if 27 people moved in 27 different directions how many people would the guy have shot ? one ? two ? analyzing past hostage take overs proves that correct, at worst with a close range sawn off shotgun a offender will get one or two shots off, if two three people rush one offender, then its game over for him, I would rather die stopping a bad guy than do nothing and freeze in one spot, freeze in one spot and you are a victim, I wonder if the NSW Police will encourage people to fight back ? [ I bet they don’t ]
So I say, no matter where you are, fight back !, don’t be a victim !, don’t give in and if need be take any bad guy down !.
Tom Davis says
I’ve never had to use a firearm to defend myself, but yes, I agree that usually it is better to act defensively than it is to passively acquiesce in evil.
voegelinian says
Most of the violent gun use in America is by black and Hispanic youths. Some readers may be familiar with an episode which occurred in American pop culture many years ago. The flaming Leftist Lesbian comedianne who used to be very big (literally and figuratively) on American television, Rosie O’Donnell, famously berated one of her guests, the rare Hollywood conservative actor Tom Selleck, because of his advocacy of gun rights. She arrogantly lectured him, and while he stood firm, he was being too nice to her. Anyway, a few weeks later, Rosie had on the (then) famous rap artist/actress Queen Latifah, who going on and on boasting with jingoistic tribalistic pride about how black people of course always carry guns around with them because that’s just how they roll, and Rosie just laughed along and suddenly was utterly absent of any of the sanctimonious disapproval she had shown Selleck.
Mo says
@ Neil Jennison
“Carrying concealed weapons is not the answer….I am a great fan of the USA, which has been a bulwark of strength for the free world over the years. But sometimes I get a little iritated that some USA citizens seem to think everything about US culture is superior.”
Not everything. But in this, absolutely.
“The fact is, most people in the UK are very happy that concealed weapon carrying is illegal, and that in general it makes the UK a safer country. I suspect the same is true of Australia.”
That’s nonsense, since criminals care nothing about gun bans.
“I am not criticising US gun culture – that is your way and that is your right. But don’t try to tell us it would be good for the rest of us.”
Of course you’re criticizing it.
gravenimage says
Carrying guns being illegal didn’t stop this ravening Jihadist, I’m afraid.
gravenimage says
Carrying weapons being illegal did not seem to deter this ravening Jihadist, I’m afraid.
Kenneth T. Tellis says
I find it very sad to hear that two of the hostages of the Muslim Jihadist were killed, and my heart goes out to their families. But I cannot say that I am sorry that the Jihadist fanatic died, because he got what was coming to him, and his death was well deserved. Now the Jihadist can collect his 71 virgins for his evil deed!
Charli Main says
This Muslim cockroach should be smothered in pig fat and his grave filled with pig offal.
A fitting burial for vermin.
RG says
Forgive me while I leap and dance for joy! So how do all of you brainiac muzzies feel now that one more of your disgusting perverts is burning in hell???
P.S. Don’t even try to defend your sick “religion”. ISLAM IS EVIL!!!
Champ says
“So how do all of you brainiac muzzies feel now that one more of your disgusting perverts is burning in hell???”
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I agree that he’s in hell, along with his evil and false prophet, muhammad (perdition be upon him) ..but I would bet that mohammedans are in denial to this fact.
Question: “Is hell real? Is hell eternal?”
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/hell-real-eternal.html
RG says
In reality, I’m not overjoyed by the thought of muslims going to hell. I know that most of them are brain-washed by their evil leaders. It’s tragic, but just think how the blood-thirsty suicide jihadists must feel when their ears are greeted with the roars of the damned, instead of their lunatic pipe dreams of 72 virgins!
And to think that they are convinced, that Jesus Christ will return to Earth and confess that, ‘I lied about islam, I’m really a muslim and all of you Christians are going to hell’. My God, is any “religion” more INSANE than islam???
Mirren10 says
”In reality, I’m not overjoyed by the thought of muslims going to hell. I know that most of them are brain-washed by their evil leaders. It’s tragic, but just think how the blood-thirsty suicide jihadists must feel when their ears are greeted with the roars of the damned, instead of their lunatic pipe dreams of 72 virgins!”
Save your pity for the innocent people murdered by this pos, and their families.
RG says
@ Mirren10.
Trust me, M10, I didn’t say I pitied anybody who is evil. They’ve made their choice and they got what they deserved. As for this pos, I can’t say who’s stupider, him or the mindless idiots who voted for him!
Champ says
“In reality, I’m not overjoyed by the thought of muslims going to hell.”
I understand what you’re saying, but we do know that God is fair and *just*; so if hell is where they end up, then hell is where they belong.
“I know that most of them are brain-washed by their evil leaders.”
I agree with you, to a point–since there comes a point when a child becomes an adult, and begins to understand right from wrong; then they are responsible for their own *choices*. I believe being brainwashed, as an adult, is in fact a choice. And God gives each of us a conscience ..which can be damaged as a result of sin (much can be learned about our conscience from the Bible, but that’s a whole other subject).
“And to think that they are convinced, that Jesus Christ will return to Earth and confess that, ‘I lied about islam, I’m really a muslim and all of you Christians are going to hell’. My God, is any “religion” more INSANE than islam???”
I completely agree, RG …and this absurd scenario doesn’t even make sense; that Jesus ‘changed His mind’ ..ridiculous and evil, too. And, no, there is no other death cult quite like islam, and it is also “insane” to think that people have fallen for it. I will NEVER understand this.
Champ says
ps …
“; so if hell is where they end up, then hell is where they belong.”
BTW, I have *zero* doubt that this is where he ended up.
…I was speaking in more general terms.
voegelinian says
That’s not the Islamic narrative. It doesn’t teach that Jesus changed his mind. Their Islamic Jesus — “Issa” — was always a good Muslim, and remains a good Muslim (Allah has been keeping him alive all these centuries in a special place in the sky). When he comes again in the Islamic Second Coming, he will publicly inform the world that Christians were wrong about him — not that he was wrong about Islam. (He’s also, according to the Islamic narrative, going to become the Last Caliph in order to lead the Final Jihad against all Unbelievers — which means a final apocalyptic, global slaughter of all Jews, Christians and other Mushrikoon; a final bloodbath of orgasmically epic proportions before Allah finally destroys the order of this life and translates all his followers (Slaves) to Paradise and all the rest to Hell for eternal physical tortures. This is what all Muslims believe, not just the “extremists”.
gravenimage says
Voegelinian is right—the Muslim “Jesus”—really, “Isa”—has almost nothing to do with the Jesus of the Gospels, and his main role in the last days is to *kill Christians*.
When Muslims say they ‘revere Jesus as a prophet”, *this* is the figure that they mean—though a lot of hopeful “interfaith” Christians may wish to believe otherwise.
bobm says
So; the press still can’t figure out a motive for this….are starting to angle this toward mental illness brought about by persecution where the came from..(… Western persecution)….and terrible treatment by Aussi gov’t…. Is there no END to There idiocy?.. I am GOBSMACKED as they say; By the FOOLISHNESS of media and useful idiots everywhere… Like birds on a wire; they sit like fools waiting to get made lunch of.
jay says
Dammit, I was hoping, but knew at least a few people would pay with their lives for western ignorance. And remember, if a white cop kills a black guy, all white cops are killers; but if thousands of muslims kill thousands of people, it was only one Muslim not all are bad or anything how racist of you.
Sam says
Come on! it is time for all of us to protect all muslims from racist Robert Spencer as this incident clearly shows when Islamophobia goes unchecked. Don’t let Robert to go to England or Australia.
Daphne Donges says
I congratulate the NSW Police for their action. My condolences to all those affected, especially for those related to the fatalities.
I also congratulate our PM and the media for calling it as it was. He was an Islamic Terrorist. This was made clear. I also pray for those that want to live in this country the way it is now.
Those that condone the actions of this terrorist are welcome to get on a plane and go somewhere else…anywhere else, preferable in a like minded place where there is a good chance of them being welcomed.
Wolfgang says
@Daphne said….
…… ” I also congratulate our PM and the media for calling it as it was. He was an Islamic Terrorist…..”
[PM Abbot has never called it like it is ]
Abbott in his reply to me stated……ISIS has nothing to do with Islam and Islam is the religion of peace ” Unquote, so wake up ! stop drinking the sedative laced water and get with it ! , none of the leaders at the top are on the ball, they will NOT name things as they are !.
voegelinian says
It’s an interesting phenomenon in the Counter-Jihad that, for some reason, the Australian wing seems to think that Australia and its Prime Minister are somehow markedly immune from the PC MC idiocy that reigns throughout the rest of the West. I see little evidence of this. Yes, Abbott is incrementally better (as is PM Stephen Harper of Canada); but that’s no warrant to get carried away with effusive hyperbole about their anti-Islam bona fides.
voegelinian says
One example of many one could pluck from an Aussie slouch hat, this story from Jihad Watch back in March of this year, about an Australian, Major Bernie Gaynor, who made the mistake of criticizing Islam publicly too much:
“…the army has moved, in the absence of his resignation, to terminate his commission.”
”While I was having this battle,” Gaynor told me, ”Defence issued a policy that if any uniformed personnel participated in an event that vilified Islam they would be severely dealt with. We now have the absurd situation where the ADF protects the religious beliefs of Islam, while tolerating the vilification of Christianity, the religion that most soldiers identify with.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/03/muslims-in-australia-10-times-more-likely-to-die-waging-jihad-in-syria-than-serving-in-the-military
Wolfgang says
@voegelinian
I lived a long time in Australia and I am no supporter of Tony Abbot, Abbott in letters I have written to him is no better than any other world leader , Abbott writes openly that Islam is NOT Isis, here the NSW Police Commissioner states the same thing in the MSM.
Here NSW Police celebrate the Unmah with Muslims…….
http://australian-conservative-truth.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/nsw-police-officer-266-ethnic-attempts.html
The sedative spiked in the Australian politicians drinking water is being drunk by near most of the leaders. Of course more people will die needlessly. that is the truly sad part, how many will die ? no one knows, will the nations leaders ever truly wake up ?, my guess would no, until the people themselves have had enough and take matters in their own hands.
TH says
The Australian and the rest of Western governments should begin to deport muslims who are ilegally in their countires and stop taking any more in period. As for those who are already citizens and are involved in jihad, as many of them have double citizenship, they should be expelled also. Imans who promote terroism should be investigated and jailed and their mosques closed down and bulldozed. Other muslims who are willing to fillfill the laws of the country could be allowed to stay, but they could also be offered money to leave. The fact is that any muslim who takes seeiusly the totalitarian ideology plus dangerous cult which is what Islam is, can easily become “radicalized” and dangerous. Besdies, all that, giving them money to leave would save the country money as many of them are on welfare and a burden to the taxpayer. They have no work ethic and according to the skewed muslim ideology, they have a right to be kept by kaffur, which is part of what the jizzia is about.
voegelinian says
“As for those who are already citizens and are involved in jihad, as many of them have double citizenship, they should be expelled also.”
The West needs to educate itself about Islam sufficiently to realize that a Muslim qua Muslim and ipso facto is not only incapable of really being or becoming a citizen (of any polity that is not approved by the Ulema of the Umma as being in proper submission to Allah and His Prophet) — but also, we must reasonably suppose, only acquires and retains the citizenship any Western polity has conferred on him in order to advance the Stealth Jihad against us in the world war they are waging against us.
Once we realize this, it would not be a matter of “stripping” their citizenship; it would be a matter of realizing they never had the citizenship we (stupidly, through our Islamo-illiteracy) thought they possessed.
profitsbeard says
What do cuckoo’s eggs do?
Islam is one too..
DJM says
I love how the article launches right in to the gunman being killed, but the two dead hostages were an afterthought:
“A gunman has been killed! (oh, and btw, two hostages were killed as well…)”
ABC has since changed the article by dropping mention of two hostages being killed and replacing it with, “The identities of the two others killed were not immediately revealed.”
Wtd says
Lindt chocolatier refused halal certification hat tip: Carl in Jerusalem via IsraelMatzav
Edgar Davidson says
The way the UK media is – almost universally – handling this story can be summarised as:
“This story has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, except for the fact that the real victims are Muslims because they are facing a totally unjustified ‘backlash’ ”
See http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/jews-for-justice-for-palestinians-bunch.html
Kepha says
My condolences and prayers go out to the families of the two hostages who died.
In a sense, I’m sorry that the hostage taker died in the shootout. Had he been captured, maybe some people in law enforcement and the courts would be forced to confront the evil filth swilling around in his mind.
R Davis says
Hello Robert Spencer,
I watched the news footage of the police entering the cafe –
It is a wonder anyone walked out of there alive
They went in guns blazing
WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE INSIDE …..
LIKE I SAID,
IT IS A WONDER MORE PEOPLE DID NOT END UP DEAD.
I wonder what they will think up next (?)
Stay cool Robert … it is not over till the fat lady sings.
Mirren10 says
You are a disgusting piece of work.
Creatures like you lend a whole meaning to the term inhuman.
gravenimage says
Repulsive—the notorious Muslim apologist R Davis chooses to blame Infidel law enforcement for these deaths, and gives the ravening Jihadist himself a free pass. *How repulsive*.
And police did not even enter until the hostage-taker began firing in the cafe—something else R Davis hopes you won’t learn.
maryG says
Still need thousand times like this to wake up the people..
your enemy is in your house (my holy Bible said)…….The leftist is even worse, They deliberately put our neck right to the evil…government busy to put the right according to the law, this people busy to shape strategy to chop out the unbelievers head and everybody just keep silent and watch…(sorry my bad English)
R Davis says
Of course this will do nothing to help Tony Abbott win the next election.
The Liberal Government of Victoria was a one term government.
Unless a miracle happens –
Tony Abbott & his Coalition Party will be gone after the next election.
Wtf? says
R Davis you are a moron to be on here trying to score political points. Get off and go to the Labor site the ABC. What would the response have been if Abbott had not raised the terror alert? Perhaps you and your foaming lefty mates could have gone down there to reason with them?
Transmaster says
I live in a Wyoming a state with constitutional carry which means I can pack My CZ-75 .40 S&W any way I want and I don’t have to ask anyone for the time of day.. One of the top experts in the USA on use of pistols in self defense is Massad Ayoob.
http://www.defenseassociates.com/mag.htm
His self defense courses are the best there is. Not only does his organization teach you how to shoot but just as importantly when to shoot. With my military training I know that 99.9% of the time my CZ will remain hidden. But I a fully prepared to use it with deadly force, shoot to kill. These Islamic murdering cowards knowing that has a even chance of instantly blown to paradise for people who are not afraid.
voegelinian says
Massad Ayoob — he’s apparently a Casey Kasem/Danny Thomas type Americanized Arab. The question is whether, and to what degree, he harbors dhimmi reflexes.
Wolfgang says
I have wondered about Ayoob for years…..used to read his articles, I know of no one who knows what his Arab loyalty is, I would guess he is no friend of Israel though.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999 says
Speaking of MSM: OK, Sydney Morning Herald sleazebags, go ahead and call Monis a “human rights activist” as you did the Mavi Marmara jihadis.
cs says
Guardian did the same.
vbeem says
Of course he’s a human rights activist.
You just need to redefine the words properly. Think back to George Orwell and his book 1984.
The act of spreading the Muslim faith around the world is a modern day human rights crusader. You just need the right center of focus.
Slaughtering everybody else is the act and expression of his human rights work. The Left just agree with everything up until he finally kills people.
At that point they choke on it and revert to brainwashing and 1984.
“Islam is a religion of peace”
“The Islamic State is not Islamic”
and
“water is not wet”
Humans are just like your pet. They can be trained. Even computers can be programmed.
duh_swami says
Ruslan…Long time no see…Glad to see you are still alive and kicking…
gravenimage says
Yeah—he was a “human rights activist” who taunted the families of dead soldiers, sexually assaulted women, and was involved in the murder of his wife, who had abused for years.
“Human rights” Muslim style…
Mags says
I am a registered Democrat. Have been since we, the Vietnam era, won the right to vote at the age of 18.
I can not wait until a Republican once again leads the White House. I do not think Obama is terrible but Kerry and Hillary Clinton are, in my opinion, morons.
Gee, no, it couldn’t be that Islam played a part in the latest siege in Sydney????
That being said, I do know here in NYC very normal, very lovely Muslim families. They interact with the other faiths of the neighborhood. We celebrate Eid with them and they celebrate Christmas with us.
There is hope but not until we, the US Citizens, remove the politically correct carpet baggers from the Democrat Party.
My cents.
Saleem Smith says
Hi Mags,
When Democrats voted Obama into office, many of them did not know how much of left-wing ideologue and socialist he really was. Nevertheless, the pro-Islamic president and many of his cohorts are currently occupying the Oval Office until the end of their term.
And just what Celebrity Party is Obama attending tonight? lol
Saleem Smith says
Western Nations do not necessarily need to ban Islam or deport all Muslims.
After all, Islam is ‘the perfect Religion of Peace!’
We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Islamic theology is a complete fraud that permits both slavery and sex slavery and nearly every other crime on earth.
Western Nations and peoples need to read the words of vile Qur’an itself
http://quran.com/5
We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Mohammedanism permits all manner of evil against the hated, unbelieving Kafir.
To understand the perverted, evil life of Muhammad the prophet of Islam without “Rose-colored glasses”
http://politicalislam.org/
The Muslim that “pulled off” the Sydney jihad was undoubtedly a “true believer” in every sense of the word. Maybe he is enjoying the promised virgins in Islamic paradise tonight. Or maybe not…
Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
“One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…
The statement continues,
Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
terry says
“Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:”
Thank you, Mr. Smith, for this information.
You should post it together with its link, on all possible sites and whenever possible. It’s potentially a good tool for our arsenal in our counter Jihad and Islam efforts.
William says
While I am sorry for the innocent hostages that died, I feel that more could have been done to save them, maybe flooding the airconditioning system with some gas to knock all people out or something… but I don’t think the police should have waited for so long to act, I mean, if you watch the videos they were inches from the door!
Also had they acted swiftly to storm the cafe it should have sent a very strong message that this type of thing will NOT be tolerated as there is no negotiating with terrorists.
Instead they closed half the city and essentially were paralysed, and it was just ONE man, imagine if it had been a group of terrorists with bombs.
Wolfgang says
Flooding air conditioning systems with what ? gas ? what type ? Halon gas ? nerve agents ? CS gas ? won’t work, due to the Adrenal rush that happens when the human body is placed under extreme stress, when the human body is pumped with PCP and booze, a person can take dozens of 9mm rounds in the torso and still move around and kill others before they suffer massive blood loss, in California two armed felons got into a shoot out with the FBI and local Sherriffs Deputies they received mortal hits to the body, but then killed the cops and the FBI Agents firing at them. Each one of the felons had 47 shots in them. look it up, I studied it at the time, so no gas will not work, look up Beslan as well.
No Fear says
I have heard reports of non-muslims sitting with muslim women on public transport as a show of support. “Ride with me” is the idea. That is fine I have no problems with that. No one should harass muslim women onpublic transport.
But do the same people get their genitalia mutilated in “solidarity” with the victims of Islamic FGM?
Do the same people allow themselves to get hung by the neck in “solidarity” with the gays in Iran?
Mo says
@ No Fear
“I have heard reports of non-muslims sitting with muslim women on public transport as a show of support. “Ride with me” is the idea.”
Are you kidding me? Muslim women should be sitting with non-Muslim ones in an APOLOGY for the behavior of their violent coreligionists around the world!
Norman says
How did this terror attack reach this point, the police had many opportunities to kill the terrorist before he kill innocent people, yet they waited until he started killing people. If the TV camera can get clear vision of the Islamic terrorist then the police sniper has the same opportunity. The authorities are scared of Islam, they continually pander to muslims who make up 2% of our population. Can you imagine the outcry if a police sniper had shot the low-life muslim dead.
Martin says
I was thinking the same; they were not treating this person as a terrorist threat, but as a low level criminal who traditionally would have been reasoned with through trained negotiators. This is not going to work with a fanatical ideologue.
A Police sniper could have taken out the man, although maybe there would be a danger of hitting one of the hostages after the fact, a ricochet or pass through.
It seems to me the way it happened the Police cannot be held accountable for civilian casualties (this policy of waiting before taking preemptive action is seen all to often) as ‘he’ fired first (I presume) and will be blamed for the fatalities of the two youngsters.
Although the Police ‘on the ground’ have equipment and line of site, they cannot act until the ‘higher ups’ give permission, and there is a considerable delay (relative to these type of situations) between real time events being reported back to base and a decision made based on that information. The police on the ground are like aircraft being directed by ATC, all by radio and with a time delay. This is how it seems to me, I’m not there obviously but one gets a sense of this from watching news stories etc.
It is very sad and really scary. It does seem to be heating up throughout the west. I live in an area in the UK with a high Muslim population and they are getting restless.
It’s in the air as if before a storm!
Wolfgang says
Police policy is to do nothing until the OIC approves it from higher up. If you break that command chain your ass is grass as they say. You can only fire your sidearm in the event of direct threat of death of yourself or a member of the public. NSW Police policy , officer safety overrides citizen safety. Policy.
duh_swami says
it’s easy to criticize police…everyone is doing it…well not everyone but many.
In the US they chant, ‘what do we want…dead cops…when do we want it, now’…
Lets give them ‘no cops’ at all for two weeks and see how quickly they start singing a different tune.
Martin says
I understand the Police always have a very difficult job, I don’t deny that at all. I’m just suggesting that the methods born of past experience and historical Policing methodology is not relevant in this day and age when dealing with basically a completely new and unpredictable and fanatical threat.
Our law enforcement organisations need to learn quickly and be more proactive when it comes to those who crave death along with the death of their perceived enemies.
These people don’t want a helicopter, money or a Swiss bank account (this is not old school crime), and they cannot be bargained with, you can’t make bargains with blind hatred. The only recourse is to quickly and without hesitation take out the threat.
Those people chanting for dead cops sickens me too!
sheik y'booty says
Sure, if the hostages had been armed they could have fought the terrorist and two lives could have been saved.
But if everyone carried guns it would certainly cause many more deaths. Road rage shootouts, school shootings, every crazed nutter waving a gun around.
Every thief and criminal having easy access to guns because of the massive proliferation.
Even criminals in Australia obtain guns on the black market which are easily available due to the huge glut of guns coming out of the US.
Most people outside the US view their attitude toward guns as quaintly stupid, a bit backward, and the pro-gun arguments facile and irrelevant.
Wolfgang says
@ sheik y’booty says
……” Sure, if the hostages had been armed they could have fought the terrorist and two lives could have been saved ”
1. if the hostages would be armed [sic] , they wouldn’t be hostages would they ?
…………………….
…..” But if everyone carried guns it would certainly cause many more
deaths.
2. Who said about everyone being armed ? even in the US not everyone is armed ! in fact MOST people in the US are not armed in their daily activities
…… ” Road rage shootouts, school shootings, every crazed nutter waving a gun around.”
3. Every nutter happens just as much in the Australia or the UK or anywhere else for that matter, the USA does not have a monopoly on crazy people and by the way bad people with guns don’t ” wave ” them around you idiot , they hide them and use guile and subterfuge.
……” Every thief and criminal having easy access to guns because of the massive proliferation. ”
4. I presume this piece of factoid you dreamed up you can prove can you ? you mean because the USA has 330 million people and the ability to be armed by the citizens that somehow with your twisted logic means millions in black market guns is being shipped across the ocean to other parts of the world by crims in the USA ?
…..” Even criminals in Australia obtain guns on the black market which are easily available due to the huge glut of guns coming out of the US. …”
5. This assertion on your part you can prove with links can you ? you can back up this crap with pages of articles can you ?
……” Most people outside the US view their attitude toward guns as quaintly stupid, a bit backward, and the pro-gun arguments facile and irrelevant…..” !
6. Who are most people ? English , Australians ? Kiwis ? Germans ? do you speak for millions of others do you ?, you are very clearly an imbecile and another brainless troublemaker who has never thought an issue through such as the ability to defend yourself, because if you had thought about your mindless zombie MSM answer you would be able to come up with some logic to your post.
Pathetic that you consider a right to defend yourself as ” facile ” and ” Quaint “, you must be Brit are you ? wonder how many of your fellow countrymen agree with you that being armed is quaint ? or facile ?, male are you ? ask some women who have been raped at knife point if its quaint, ask a victim of home invasion if its quaint.
further up in this thread I posts links that show your argument to stupid and ill thought out, I doubt you will read them. But try for all our sakes.
My background is LE, speaking to women who have been raped, children abused, old men beaten for 10 bucks, young women who have been carjacked, they are all terrified and extreme stress for not being able to overpower someone younger, stronger, its fool’s and idiots like you and many others that made my job that much harder.
dumbledoresarmy says
“Children abused”.
Bearing in mind that young children are frequently molested by *people known to them, within their own family or circle of acquaintances*.
So carrying a gun would protect a child – what age? 7? 10? – from being kidnapped, say, while walking home from school through the park?? Do you seriously envisage a kid that age casually carrying a pistol or a rifle about?
Would a handgun protect a 7 year old from being molested by their father/ uncle/ cousin/ scout group/ cub group leader/ the parent of the kid they befriended in primary school and visited for a sleepover?
So: at what age do you think every child in every western country should get their very first gun and then carry it everywhere – absolutely *everywhere* they go? Five? Seven? Ten?
How would you determine that they *oughtn’t* to be permitted to have one?
Do you seriously dream of a schoolyard in which every kid over 8, or over 10 who isn’t actually from a known criminal family is carrying a handgun? (Would they hand them in at the school admin office, like they do these days with mobile phones, and get them back when they head out the door to go home?).
What’s your ideal? Your goal? A society in which *every person* who is over the age of..what?? seven? ten? twelve? carries…what level of firepower??? handgun? rifle? submachinegun? shotgun?…to the beach in the schoolroom in Sunday school in the bedroom to the cinema to church to the shops and everywhere they go? And never, ever, ever put it down? What do they do at the swimming pool? When they enter a court room? Do you visualise every nurse in ICU …armed? Every doctor…armed? Do you visualiise the priest celebrating mass with a submachinegun slung over his shoulder? And the choir with their pistols in their pockets??
Every suburban household as a little fort/ armed camp with its finger perpetually on the trigger??
Tragically, given the presence of the Mohammedan Fifth Columnists in large numbers, it might end up coming to that. But that would be because the society has been *invaded*.
But…if there were no Mohammedans in our midst… would you *still* be campaigning for a state and mindset of perpetual “battle-readiness” in *everyone*, in every country in the West, from the smallest child right through to the senior citizen, *all the time*???
FatherJon says
I certainly don’t feel any empathy with the Muslim community in Australia at all. Quite the opposite. There have been too many incidents now for me to feel any friendship towards them. From street riots; honour killings of wives and daughters; child brides; secret FGM operations; gang activities of various types; drive-by shootings; street ‘da’wah’ harangueing; to most recently a couple of hundred wannabe jihadis running off to ISIS-land as volunteers, even threatening the land that granted succour to their parents.
For a community that comprises a mere 2% of the population they have a long litany of bad behaviour and anti-social activities that surpasses the record of any other ethno/religious groups. Perhaps it’s the violent messages inherent in the religion they euphemistically call the ‘religion of peace’, perhaps it’s in the Levantine DNA, I’ve no idea. All I know is that I don’t want anything to do with any of them.
gravenimage says
perhaps it’s in the Levantine DNA
…………………….
Jews and Arab Christians aren’t violent people. And Asian, African, and Western “revert” Muslims are just as violent as their Levantine coreligionists.
This ravening Jihadist in Sydney was Iranian, and almost certainly didn’t have any Levantine DNA at all.
This has *nothing* to do with DNA or race, and everything to do with the vicious ideology of Islam.
Will says
We here want TWO official inquiries:
1) why was this creature still on our streets as is NO psychiatric patient but a Muslim male spoilt totally by the refusal of the governments to apply our laws equally and who still allowed him bail despite 40 charges of sex crimes, 7 letters harassing the families of dead servicemen and complicit in the murder of his wife?
2) Why was the sniper who had clear head shot though plate glass for much of 17 hours NOT given permission to fire? I have seen the video and he is a metre behind the glass and most snipes would have no problems.
Neither of these questions will be answered as the normal western cover-up of Islam and its followers occurs and his motives attributed NOT to the barbaric freedoms he expressed but a “psychiatric illness”…yes it is called “Islam”.
duh_swami says
Big anti-Islam rally’s in Germany…
I don’t own a gun at the moment, but I can still defend myself from one or two or three…I’m getting older and have zero intention of being a victim or statistic.
Take some self defense classes…Learn about legal to carry personal defense hand weapons…google…I use kubaton, (yawara stick) also called 6 inches of sudden death. I have a black belt in Karate, but you don’t need that for yawara…There are instructions on how to make, where to buy, and videos of how to use. Most anything can be an effective hand weapon for close fighting. a comb, set of keys, ball point pen etc. It may be you can’t own a gun…but you do not have to be helpless…
duh_swami says
United we stand, divided we fall…I have read and posted on JW longer than most anyone posting here now…Since 2003, or so, on nearly a daily basis. I rarely if ever criticize other JW’ers even if I disagree on some point. I will go psychotic on trolls and hostile Mahondians because it confuses them no end, and throws them off their game. We are all in the same boat, bailing water…Lets all bail together so the boat doesn’t sink…
Thanks Robert for all your good work over the years…My only regret is I don’t have a pile of cash to donate…
gravenimage says
Bravo, Swami. I’ve been reading and posting here since 2006, but I feel like a newbie compared to you. Always love reading your posts. Robert Spencer is my hero—in my estimation, the greatest figure in the Anti-Jihad movement.
Charlie Griffith says
Are you and duh_swami running for Choir Club Office?
gravenimage says
Nope—I just occasionally voice my respect for distinguished posters here. I have, actually, done just the same regarding you at one time or another, Charlie.
Of course, “mutual admiration society” stuff can be pointless and off-topic if engaged in too much—but occasionally letting others know that they are appreciated is not, in estimation, necessarily a bad thing.
voegelinian says
“I rarely if ever criticize other JW’ers even if I disagree on some point. I will go psychotic on trolls and hostile Mahondians because it confuses them no end, and throws them off their game. We are all in the same boat, bailing water…Lets all bail together so the boat doesn’t sink…”
I respectfully disagree with this sentiment and principle. Of course, I don’t think vicious attacks and pestering (as Phillip Jihadski and Angemon have done against me with numbing frequency over long periods of time — and recently renewing their tag-team act, unfortunately) are useful or productive, I don’t think the Counter-Jihad should inhibit itself from internal quality control of ideas, through healthy disagreement expressed with relative maturity and intelligence. Any group benefits from self-criticism transacted in part through internal dialogue, debate, or just plain old conversation: a club, an organization, a family, a movement, a country, a religion… It is not only healthy to cultivate this, it can be unhealthy to avoid it, for that tends to foster a lock-step uniformity, a culture of ostracizing and scapegoating, a demagogic authoritainiam, a cult of a charismatic leader — not to mention less ability to be amenable to quaity control and progress (unless the movement or group is already Perfect and has no room for improvement…).
In addition, I don’t buy this anxious concern that if the Muzzies see us disagree, this will somehow impair us. So what if the Muzzies get pleasure out of seeing us disagree. Let us have the last laugh: the last laugh of being a healthy society capable of disagreeing with each other without beheading each other.
Champ says
Hi Swami! …I’ve been posting on Jihad Watch since 2004 ..I remember the year, because that was the year the tsunami hit in Indonesia, and I was fairly new to JW, and I was sharing a story about our doctor friend, from churc,h who went there to help with the massive medical needs.
And I’ve always known you to be a staunch anti-jihadist and *friend* to us here ..thank you!
RICHTHOFEN says
This is a lesson for all Western countries – allowing ANY muslim to enter your country puts everybody at risk – the obvious answer is to proscribe islam. They have had their chance to sort themselves out – but nothing is done, obviously because they are embroiled in an internecine conflict, ever since the 7th century, as well as a war against civilisation. Sure, they will rush aroiund sitthnig themselves with rage, initially. Stand firm – those who do not wish to reject islam will go off to muslim countries – those who are willing to integrate, will stay. Take on a short period of violence on our streets and defeat it – it will only get worse, so tackle it head on while we are still able to win – it is a no-brainer – proscribe islam – return the problem to the slime pits from whence it came, and where it belongs and let them get on with it!
Cindy Mccoy says
I hope Australia is not like America and saying this is a lone gunman I hope they see it as a terror attack!! For that is what it is. These people are crazy and have to be stopped!!!! They want to kill everyone who does not think like them and how can we they are craz do not understand truth theyy!!!!!
PatnCats says
I agree we are blessed to have Robert and JihadWatch.com to furnish the truth of islam. I’ve been watching MSNBC News Propaganda from the Joseph Goebbels Network Group and am appalled how they are working and working to make this ISLAMIC CLERIC IMMAN like he’s never even been in a MOSQUE before? A LONE WOLF? Are you kidding me? They must think we are all stupid. I can’t figure how to get to MSNBC to twitt them how insane they are and how they are making up their own story and not using the facts.
Koran = Murder book of islam
Read the koran and you’ll know the deception.
ISLAM = murder all who are not muslims
Moham SAID, Mohamm made it all up
Mohamm – psychopathic barbarian who has deceived 1.2 billion dimwits.
This MURDERING ISLAMIC CLERIC/IMMAN followed the KORAN = ISLAM=BARBARISM
THEN A MUSLEEMA removes her muslimic scarf at a train station as she is ASHAMED of wearing it one more minute. Seen by a BLEEDING HEART idiot, she submits to the hug, but leaves – STILL NOT WEARING the SCARF as her faith is islam is now kaput. Much like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who dropped islam and recognized it as a barbaric murderous social system she NO LONGER WANTED TO BE A PART OF IT.
Then this nitwit at #illridewithu doesn’t “GET IT”
The woman leaves islam in her head and in her heart as she is FREE TO DO SO IN AUSTRALIA.
Hopefully her family won’t kill her.
Nitwit views it as she herself is a savior for scarf clad islamic women, victimized by frowns on the train.
The actual muslim woman knows she needs to shed herself of islam, beginning with that hateful scarf which represents hatred, backwardness and the murders of these 2 innocent Australians.
xxxchurch100 says
Hi , Just on your observations of the Holy Book of Islam the ” Qur’an” . I just bought one so as to get a better understanding of Islam and the whole ” Muslim ” thing happening in Australia .
I am not an English Scholar !!
And I certainly do not want to be seen as Islamaphobic .
But boy , is this hard to read , it moves tenses which is difficult to follow , but far more confusing, is that it seems to shift from first person singular to some thing akin to an out of body narrative on that first person .????? by using ” We ” commentating on ” I ” ???
I am told I need the Hadiths to make sense of it ….. but I am reluctant to buy and read one of those because I might end up walking counter clockwise around a black stone in Mecca !!! … as confused as the 1.5 billion people who have bought and read it .
Davegreybeard says
Start with Robert Spencer’s book “The Truth About Muhammad.”
xxxchurch100 says
I have read it … Love Roberts’ work !!!
Have you U tubed : ” Clare Lopez with Q society in Sydney 2014 “‘ ?
Check this out it is exactly what has unfolded before our eyes on Monday , to the letter !!
Regards
dumbledoresarmy says
Get hold of Mr Spencer’s book “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Quran”. And his book “The Truth About Muhammad”, which examines the traditional biography of Mohammed as found in the canonical sources – the Sira of Ibn Ishaq plus the authoritative Hadith collections, and frequently shows where the biography is connected – by Muslim jurists and ‘theologians’ – with specific portions of the Quran.
Also, he did a blog series – at Pajamas Media but also in postings here – called “Blogging the Quran”. I think if you google “Robert Spencer” and “Blogging the Quran” you should be able to pull it up.
That way, you can work your way through the Quran with Mr Spencer as your cheerful, erudite and unflappable guide…sort of like accompanying the lateS Steve Irwin on a tour through the jungle as he catches and discusses assorted dangerous critters.
The other thing you can do is go over to the website – Centre for the Study of Political Islam – and equip yourself with a version of the Quran that has been arranged so that the surahs can be read in the order in which Muslims believe they were “revealed”. This apparently helps considerably to clarify what is going on.
dumbledoresarmy says
Oops. I see you have already read “The Truth About Muhammad”.
You could always go through it and wherever he mentions a Quran passage, look it up in the Quran.
RG says
@ xxxchurch100. Touché!!!
Hi. Couldn’t help noticing how you observed the confusing language used by the writer of the Koran (whoever he/ she may be)!
After embarking on a curiosity quest of my own, to read the Koran, I personally noticed ALMOST IMMEDIATELY that the author makes reference to the moslem god,”allah”, IN THE PLURAL FORM, i.e., “we, us”, etc.
Well, ‘scuse me, all of you brain-dead believers in the religion of mohammed, but DOESN’T islam teach the unmitigated, unadulterated ONENESS and singularity of the god of islam???
I mean, pray tell, WHY ON EARTH does ‘mohammed’ refer to a so-called “SINGULAR god”, in the PLURAL form???
Well, ain’t that just special!!!!
Ahhh, MAYBE CAUSE THERE AIN’T NO SUCH ANIMAL AS “allah”!!!
P.S. The Hebrew Scriptures, THE ONLY TRUE WORD OF GOD, clearly use the term ELOHIM (which is a plural form) when referring to the God of Creation in Genesis. That’s because the one and only true God is a TRINITY (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)!
voegelinian says
“Give them an option, denounce their ideology or be deported.”
Because they would never lie? lol
Davegreybeard says
Thank you Wolfgang,
For defending the RIGHT to self defense in the face of the mindless idiocy and lies that have been promulgated against it, by various foolish posters here.
It should be quite obvious to any observer, who is honest with themselves, that one person with a concealed firearm could quite probably have taken this guy out, using “guile and subterfuge,” as you put it.
I would add that in the last twenty years, since the wave of laws legalizing the right to carry in the U.S. began, VIOLENT CRIME HAS DECREASED.
It is sooo tiresome to hear the lies repeated “But if everyone carried guns it would certainly cause many more deaths. Road rage shootouts, school shootings, every crazed nutter waving a gun around.” when exactly the opposite is true.
There is simply NO EXCUSE for anyone here, who has taken the time and effort to find out the truth about Islam, to repeat the lies of fools, against the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS in self defense.
Here’s an idea, how about taking one tenth the time you have spent discovering the truth about Islam, to discover the truth about self defense with a firearm?
Some history:
Twenty years ago “concealed carry” laws were very restrictive in most States in the U.S. That began to change in October, 1987 when Florida became one of the first major States to enact sensible “shall issue” laws for “concealed carry” of firearms. “Shall issue” means that if you are not a criminal, or crazy and you pass a firearms training course and test, then the State MUST (“shall issue”) to you, a permit to carry a concealed firearm.
Leading up to the passage of this legislation we heard the shrieks and howls of some of our countrymen about “road rage shootouts,” “school shootings,” etc. etc. etc. But IT DID NOT HAPPEN. VIOLENT CRIME WENT DOWN!.
When intelligent people saw the real, positive results of sensible “right to carry” laws they began to lobby for those same laws in their States. Led chiefly by the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION, and in concert with other gun rights organizations, pressure was put on State legislatures to liberalize concealed carry laws.
There are presently 39 “shall issue” states and just recently, ALL the remaining States have now become “may issue.” This means they may issue a carry permit based on the whim of police. There is ongoing and vigorous political pressure by the NRA and others to force the remaining “may issue” states into passing more sensible “shall issue” “concealed carry” laws.
I am shocked and deeply dismayed that otherwise intelligent posters here attack the fundamental right of self defense with a firearm, using the lies and hyperbole of the Left.
And I understand that those in Europe and elsewhere suffer under the tyranny of government laws that prevent you from defending yourselves with firearms. You have my deepest and heartfelt sympathies for your plight and I wish you well in changing it.
You can start but educating yourself about self defense with firearms – and then speaking the truth about it.
Wolfgang says
@ Davegreybeard
I wonder if the girls and boys who were just children who were slaughtered in Pakistan yesterday think firearms ownership is ” facile ” and ” quaint ” , I wonder if they would agree with these mind bending idiot posters on JW and go into overtime re hashing the propaganda that having guns to defend oneself from hostile naked aggression is ” quaint ” and ” facile ” ? it infuriates me that these so called intelligent posters choose to sit behind their laptops or smart phones and arrogantly declare that they can speak for millions of others who have to face brutality, torture,beatings, and the terror of death and have no way of stopping it, smug assholes like the one’s who post such crap, live usually very well, have money in the bank, good jobs and live in wealthy suburbs, but they choose the so called high ground of sitting on a hill and looking down their nose at others who find themselves in situations that are a nightmare and absolute mind numbing horror. they of course have never ever been confronted by death of a loved one, they have never had the cold barrel of a shotgun stuck in your face at 2 am in the morning, or had a home invasion and tied up blindfolded.
For 20 years I have been at the coal face dealing day in day out with flesh and blood people and you know what ?, I used to tell people and still do, your protection is those first 3 minutes is up to you and no one else…….NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU !!!
Unless a person has seen this first hand and I have seen it, dealing in LE first hand, I have never met a woman who deserved to be raped or person murdered in cold rage in a road rage attack, people who post this trash and soulless creatures,devoid of compassion for those who cannot defend themselves, but who are quite willing to moralize accordingly.
These people deserve all the vitriol a defender of the downtrodden can muster, they are only slightly less detestable than the Jihadists.
Wellington says
Your post, Davegreybeard, is an excellent one. Spot on. I would only add, as I have mentioned before here at JW, that it is not merely coincidence that the substance of the First Amendment is immediately followed by the substance of the Second Amendment. The Founding Fathers knew, boy did they ever, that liberty and an armed and informed citizenry are tied at the hip.
And again, I would like to thank you for your service to our nation. May you and yours have a memorable Christmas and holiday season.
Davegreybeard says
Aye Wellington,
I thank you for your accolade, and I wish you all the best with you and your loved ones in this Christmas season.
I always appreciate your clear and well reasoned responses to some of the provocative and ill informed posters here. You inspire me with your calm wit and steady aim.
God be with you my friend,
Dave
Wolfgang says
For those who think firearms ownership is ” facile ” and ” quaint ”
At least 141 dead, mainly children, in Pakistan’s worst ever terror act
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/12/16/19/25/taliban-attacks-school-in-pakistan-killing-dozens
Who will defend the Children ? who will defend the poor ? who will defend the widows and the downtrodden ?
Bodhiden says
I think we need to see the situation as it is: westerners treat non-western cultures in a western way. Therefore the Muslims spit on us and despise us. We must drop out of our western mindset and react against them as they act against us. An eye for an eye!
Otherwise we will be seen as weak and sniveling and not worthy of respect. Muslims may rave against Israel but they respect it!
Davegreybeard says
dumbles
I MUST COMMENT:
‘So carrying a gun would protect a child – what age? 7? 10? – from being kidnapped, say, while walking home from school through the park?? Do you seriously envisage a kid that age casually carrying a pistol or a rifle about?’
No Mam, only a military aged adult should carry a firearm for defense, normally that would be 18.
“So: at what age do you think every child in every western country should get their very first gun and then carry it everywhere – absolutely *everywhere* they go? Five? Seven? Ten?”
Once again, that would be normally 18.
“Do you seriously dream of a schoolyard in which every kid over 8, or over 10 who isn’t actually from a known criminal family is carrying a handgun?”
Of course not.
Those who are charged with protecting the schoolyard and who are of legal age, should be allowed (and encouraged) to poses firearms to protect those who are not able to protect themselves.
“What’s your ideal? Your goal? “
My ideal, Mam, is to protect the innocent, and my goal is to kill those who seek to destroy human liberty.
“But…if there were no Mohammedans in our midst… would you *still* be campaigning for a state and mindset of perpetual “battle-readiness” in *everyone*, in every country in the West, from the smallest child right through to the senior citizen, *all the time*??? “
Yes Mam, FREEDOM IS NOT FREE, so I would indeed be campaigning for it “ALL THE TIME”
And if you look into your heart, I believe you would do the same.
Wolfgang says
@DDA
To give you several answers……..
1) it is absolute pointless and futile to pose the question ” if someone had a firearm in the Martin place cafe they could have stopped it “.
No one in Australia carries a sidearm in civilian hands to stop a random event, I will repeat that, , no one carries a side arm to stop people like the gunmen two days ago. Its not allowed over there ! ,never has been and never will ! , all the politicians firmly state they do not want to go down the American path ( what ever preconceived notions of what that means ) to try to play ” what ifs” is just dreaming.
The only ex Politician who supported the right to self defense openly was Pauline Hanson, she also proposed a bill in Qld parliament to allow citizens to carry a sidearm concealed for self defense,she got howled down and demonized, the proviso was you get trained accordingly. Always was and is still the same, be trained in what you do.
It is not rocket science, just plain logic at work, you, me anyone has the right to walk freely down the street or in your car and go about your business peaceably without a person who has criminal intent to commit an act of extreme violence upon you, your family or innocent people, my point was and is that no matter where you live on this planet people the world over want the same things for the most part , namely to live in peace, I did say for the most part, a firearm is the easiest to use and is able to used by the 90 year old granny or the 24 year old in a wheelchair who can longer walk.
Mr Abbott has guards that protect him and his family 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, they carry guns with suppressors, the AFP has men and women that protect the higher up types, when Mr Abbott leaves office, he will get an body guard for the rest of his life, tell me, why is Mr Abbot more special or privileged than your family ? or mine ? or anyone else for that matter, the hypocrites at the top decry you for asking for the same rights they have !.
Obama has the same special rights, the secret service assign a permanent body guard to him and his family for life……
To answer you, you must be 18 to get a CCW and you then get training and train and train, a person with a history of mental issues and drug taking does and would get an automatic no to have a gun.
Again , the DHS through the FBI collates all types of crime in the USA, each state local, state and federal law agency is required to log and send the data to the Feds, over 1.5 million times last year in the US a firearm STOPPED a crime! just being able to SHOW a firearm stopped that road rage assault from taking place, that rape from going ahead, that home invasion from happening, that hiker from being mugged, that sweet young girl on her way from work late at night from being murdered.
One last thing to carry a firearm LEGALLY automatically burdens the carrier to a higher level of awareness and restraint.
And you said…… ” “But…if there were no Mohammedans in our midst… would you *still* be campaigning for a state and mindset of perpetual “battle-readiness” in *everyone*, in every country in the West, from the smallest child right through to the senior citizen, *all the time*??? “
The answer is ” yes “, I would rephrase that to ” situational awareness “, being aware of where you are at all times, who you are with and circumstances around you, how many times have you heard,…… ” I just didn’t expect that [ insert you own words ] to occur “………..
DDA are you aware of where you walk ? are you aware when you park your car ? are you aware when you get off the train or a thousand other places ? or do you go blindly into your own world when outside and switch off ?, most people do, they switch off when out in public.
Here is a link to the Texas Dept of public safety, less that 1.1 percent of crimes are committed by CCW holders and of those 1.1 percent, 85% percent are for domestic disputes ( eg divorces where one party accuses the other )
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf
one last item the framers of US Constitution recognized early on after reading Sir William Blackstones commentaries on English common law, that they MUST write down rights into law and also acknowledge that these ” rights ” are granted to ALL men under God, that God, the creator grants certain ” inalienable rights ” to men, these rights to defend oneself, cannot be destroyed just because men say so, they are not abrogated in any way, they are instinctive in all men and women as they are in all other creatures.
Davegreybeard replied in point format before I could, its put how I was going to put the reply.
Wolfgang says
But he is right……freedom is never free….. there is ALWAYS price for being free, it is always exacted in the blood of young men and women to stop bad people from doing evil things to the innocent.
Our real problem today is too few are willing to stand in the gap. I will and do stand in the gap for those who cannot.
Davegreybeard says
Glad you enjoyed it, Mirren and Merry Christmas.
It is dedicated to all those who “stand in the gap for those who cannot.”
Wolfgang says
@Davegreybeard thanks for the kind words, be well and shoot straight ! look after yourself and your family this holiday.
God Bless !
Davegreybeard says
Thanks, Wolfgang and keep your powder dry.
May God be with you, as you battle evil forces.
Wolfgang says
After the shooting in Australia………come more lies from the scum Politicians there, remember while you read this, that honest flak jacket Johnnie Howard was a bodyguard for life, he a has a chauffeur for life , he has a office for life…..the man is a parasite….a money sucking souless parasite.
Howard hits back at senator’s gun law call
http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/12/18/08/14/Gun-laws-create-nation-of-victims-senator
For all those conservative Party lovers out there……Labor are trash whats left ?
Wolfgang says
ooops sorry typo …….quote ” he HAS a bodyguard for life “……
Davegreybeard says
Merry Christmas All
Whisky for my men and beer for my horses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdjA3iKYjk0
Champ says
Merry Christmas, Davegreybeard!
Davegreybeard says
Thank you Champ and a Merry Christmas to you and all your children, grandchildren and wonderful extended family. You have brightened my day just a bit.
To be honest, I am feeling a bit disappointed after the above exchange with dumbledoresarmy. I greatly respect her as she is extremely well read, knowledgeable and almost always provides well reasoned responses to topics presented here. But when you must take serious issue with someone you respect, who you feel “should know better” it can leave you feeling a bit sad.
Personal self defense is the absolute “last line of defense” against tyranny of ALL sorts “foreign and domestic” as they say. I realize that Australia, and other places, will probably never have a “Second Amendment” RIGHT written into their laws.
But sensible “right to carry” laws are a different thing entirely.
My CCW LICENCE required a VERY extensive background check for any criminal history or illegal drug use. The weapons that I am permitted to carry are specified by make, model and serial number. I was photographed and finger printed (each finger and full hand.) My address and drivers license number are on file, so they know who I am and where I live. I was required to take a training course that detailed when a firearm may be used in self defense and this was discussed at length with the instructor. I was also required to demonstrate, during “live fire” at a firing range, that I could safely operate the weapons (each one named on the license) and that I could demonstrate reasonable accuracy of fire. Additionally, my license must be renewed every two years. The CCW is a LICENCE, not a RIGHT.
I see no reason that such reasonable laws could not be enacted in Australia and other places IF PEOPLE KNEW THE TRUTH about personal self defense with firearms. Our HISTORY of such laws in the U.S. should be cited again and again and thrown in the faces of ignorant fools who howl about “road rage killings” and “Wild West blood in the streets.” This does not and will not happen because the people ALLOWED to have the license are law abiding sensible citizens.
But an honest discussion never gets started because too few knowledgeable people are willing to stand up and speak the truth about the issue – kind of reminds you of the difficulty we have with Islam doesn’t it?
So, of all people, I would have expected dumbledoresarmy to at least be open to an honest discussion of the issue.
But failing that, I thank you for that ray of sunshine, Champ.
Wolfgang says
@Davegreybeard
I feel the same way as you with regards to DDA as I feel she should know better, I feel, especially being a Christian and having strong Christian beliefs, as a strong biblical Christian myself I truly value my freedom and cherish life and will protect that, to me CCW is a very very big issue, as frankly the 2nd amendment is the rock that underpins the first, third and all the other amendments, truthfully without the solid rock of the 2nd amendment, the others cannot stand, take away the bearing of arms as a right and make it a privilege and the USA will die politically, morally and perhaps physically, so much of the founders knew this of course, that is why they wrote it down and why the stated unequivocally that God gave them and us these rights, to me it is truly sad that others nations equate the US founders as “American “, the hoped that others nations would copy what they did, reading the anti-federalist papers shows clearly they thought so.
I disagree with others on JW , often I wonder if those who disagree with my views would defend my right to have them even if they were diametrically opposed to theirs, I see that some howl down with sarcasm and scorn on those who perhaps don’t write as fluid or eloquent as them. I personally bear no malice or bitterness to anyone, life is too short to be consumed by hate or bitterness.
I would stand to defend anthers views both in words and physically if need be, pity that so often its not reciprocated in society today.
So I wish Merry Christmas to any who will to receive it from me and a wonderful thanksgiving.
Champ says
Dear Davegreybeard, you’re very welcome, my friend! Glad I could brighten your day …btw, I support our U.S. Constitution 100%, and especially our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms! Dang straight! 😉
Wishing you and your *wonderful* family the very best this Christmas! Take care
Mirren10 says
Brilliant song, Davegreybeard, love it ! Have a great Christmas.
Wolfgang says
One final point, I have AR15’s with suppressors [ silencers] with a paid tax to use them, I too have license fingerprints, background checks, Mossberg 590’s with modifications, all checked rigorously and locked in a safe and stored away. I have been vetted and had interviews with Police to ascertain my mental state and suitability to carry firearms.
Davegreybeard says
Davegreybeard says
December 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Glad you enjoyed it, Mirren and Merry Christmas.
It is dedicated to all those who “stand in the gap for those who cannot.”