Yes, just ignore that black flag of Islamic jihad that the hostages were forced at gunpoint to hold up at the window. We have no idea what its significance could possibly be! But we do know that it has nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with Islam!
“Tony Abbott: ‘We don’t know the motivation,'” Guardian, December 15, 2014:
Prime minister Tony Abbott is addressing the media. He says the motivation of the siege is not known and calls it a “disturbing incident”. He said there are “some indications” it could be politically motivated.
We have to appreciate that even in a society such as ours, there are people who would wish to do us harm, that’s why we have police and security organisations of the utmost professionalism that are ready and able to respond to a whole range of situations and contingencies including this situation that we are now seeing in Sydney. The whole point of politically motivated violence is to scare people out of being themselves. Australia is a peaceful, open and generous society. Nothing should ever change that and that’s why I would urge all Australians today to go about their business as usual.
Ashley says
Abbott’s eyes are bulging from their sockets…
A clear indication he can’t stomach the shit he’s spewing…
Saleem Smith says
Abbott is indeed spewing pure bullshit when he says the words “politically motivated violence” today in Sydney. He knows that it was common Islamic terrorism. He may also know that this was no doubt the Islamic theological teachings put into action.
And likely, hopefully, so do the cops…
I only hope that the infidel women are not being raped. We ex-Muslims know that Islamic theology/law permits all manner of crimes against those who refuse to submit to it.
If the freaks holding folks hostage in the chocolate shop are devout, fully obedient Muslims, they may demand Islamic rule/Sharia law for the entire continent of Australia!
Anyhow, taking slaves and sex slaves for ransom or usage is fully sanctioned by the Quran.
Therefore, the Mohammedans that took over the choc shop know they are doing nothing wrong.
>>>>>
THE QURANIC SANCTION OF SLAVERY
The institution of slavery in Islam was formalized in the following Quranic verse, in which Allah distinguishes free human beings or masters, who exercise justice and righteousness, from the dumb, useless and burdensome ones, the slaves:
Quran 16:76 Allah sets forth (another) Parable of two men: one of them dumb, with no power of any sort; a wearisome burden is he to his master; whichever way he directs him, he brings no good: is such a man equal with one who commands Justice, and is on a Straight Way?
Allah warns the believers against taking the slaves as equal partner in status and in sharing their wealth, lest they have to fear them as anyone else:
Quran 30:28 …do ye have partners among those whom your right hands possess (i.e., slaves, captives) to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Do ye fear them as ye fear each other?
Allah recognizes some human beings, namely the masters, as more blessed by Himself than the less favored slaves as part of His divine plan. He warns Muslims against sharing His gifts to them equally with their slaves. Those who would take slaves as equal, warns Allah, would deny Him:
Quran 16:71 Allah has bestowed His gifts of sustenance more freely on some of you than on others: those more favoured are not going to throw back their gifts to those whom their right hands possess, so as to be equal in that respect. Will they then deny the favours of Allah?
Allah does not only sanction the institution of slavery, He also gave divine blessing to masters (Muslim men only can own slaves) to have sex with the female slaves:
Quran 70:29–30 And those who guard their private parts, Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess—for these surely are not to be blamed
Quran 23:5–6 And who guard their private parts, except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable
Therefore, if there are women amongst the captives or slaves, Muslims are divinely sanctioned to have sex with them as they do with their wives. This verdict of Allah founded the institution of sex-slavery or slave-concubinage in Islam, which was widespread in the pre-colonial Muslim world and continued well into the mid-twentieth century. As far as legal marriage is concerned, there is a limitation of four wives for a man at one time [Quran 4:3], but no such limitation on the number of sex-slaves.
Allah also gave a divine sanction to Muslims for acquiring female slaves for sexual engagement by waging wars against the infidels:
Quran 33:50 O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war…
Muslims can engage in sex with the captured slave women even if they are married, but not with the married free Muslim women:
Quran 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess…
There are other verses in the Quran that talks approvingly of slaves and capturing them in wars. Thus, according to the divine commands of the Islamic God as enshrined in the holy Quran, Muslims are allowed to keep slaves. They can amass slaves by waging wars, have sex with the female slaves, and of course, use them as they wish. For Muslims, having sex with female slaves is as legal as having sex with their married wives. Slavery appears to be one of the most desired divine privileges in Islam, since Allah took the pain of reminding Muslims about this divine right time and again in so many verses.
Vic Carnero says
Wake up!!! They are in your cities, in your streets, and in your neighborhood! They warned us and you. What do you think their motivation is? Its called a global Caliphate and death to infidels like us.
Louise from Canada says
Ashley, you took the words out of my mouth.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Ditto Louise. I’m getting the jihad spirit: I am SOOOOOO sick and fed up with this endless IDIOCY, ‘We see the flag…we don’t want to jump to conclusions…it’s not terrorism…’, blahblahblahblah.
I’m glad I’m armed, glad we have conceal-carry, and I’m betting millions of Americans like me are glad we’re not gibberish-spouting fools like this. One of these subhumans messes with me? Locked and loaded.
Roderick MacUalraig says
OO-RAH.
MOLON LABE.
Salah says
“I’m glad I’m armed, glad we have conceal-carry,…”
I hope you’ll be able to keep your guns, evil gun control advocates are trying, with some success, to disarm you. MOLON LABE.
Check out this HUMILIATING scene, it’s not from a foreign country, it’s right here in the U.S.A.
http://finance.townhall.com/postrelease.html?prx_t=CaQBAeBgCA2QIEA
sheik yer'mami says
But, but… the real problem is climate change! Homo marriage! Refugees! 18C!
cs says
This will stink.
Chris says
Counter terrorism expert Ann Aly?
No wonder PM Abbott doesn’t know.
I wonder if it is worth asking Bull Shitt’ng, he’s courting votes from them????
jewdog says
Maybe they think that the white chocolate bars are racist.
Arthur says
For sure in New Orleans!
Frank Castle says
my comprehension is that both Cadbury and Nestle have succumbed to the islamist filth and pay halal extortion fees
whilst Lindt does not
hence the motive for the location: Lindt choclate cafe in St Martin’s Square
Champ says
Australian PM Abbott: “We don’t know the motivation” for cafe siege
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I must question *his* motivation for squelching the ugly Truth …
mortimer says
If a man waved a Nazi flag he would immediately be called ‘a Neo-Nazi’ or the like.
If a man waves the Black Flag of jihad, his motivation is ‘unknown’.
Hmmmm….could this be Seventh Day Adventist terrorists? Or would it be Daughters of the American Revolution terrorists?
Real toughie!
Champ says
…yeah, or maybe the Phineas Priesthood are behind this siege.
somehistory says
By his photo, it’s clear he has seen a zombie.
The beast rages and politicians wonder what it is and why the rage…. because they fear making it angry, knowing it is a beast and knowing why it rages.
michelle says
Neat trick, huh! The “nice, moderate” muslims showing off their mosque while those “extremist, but not like the others” are creating terror!
Lord, when will people in our country stop listening to Obama’s crap about peaceful muslims! These idiots are so afraid to call terrorism what it is- terrorism that is little by little encroaching our rights and freedoms- and soon will be kicking in our doors because we’ve done something else to offend them! You know what? I don’t care they’re offended!!! Go home! Put chips in them and if they sneak in, shoot on site! They are vile! Its going to get worse and no country is spared. Your government isn’t protecting you so you better be prepared to defend yourself and what is yours. I HATE being prejudice, but I’ve become so. God help us all.
Ernie says
Dear Michelle , you’re NOT suffering from PREjudice . You are RIGHT !
King Dave says
Sadly no Islamic atrocity cannot be dismissed by liberals who are obviously more concerned with how they are perceived by their peers rather than tell an uncomfortable truth
michelle says
You’ve got MY vote!!!
Chris says
So commissioner of police and state premier claim this is a hostage situation.
They will try so hard to lie, deceive and cover up the acts of islam.
Call a spade a spade and then we can all move forward.
warren says
watching the feed just before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvzpSvyyZis
a guy on that feed that could read arabic said is was the “allah is god and mohammed is messenger” logo on the flag. others have described it as ISIS flag.
the police guy who was on before said that they are treating it equivalent to a terror attack, ie: they are taking no chances
warren says
they are just saying it is NOT the ISIS flag – it is the ordinary muslim flag – they are normal muslims – this is just another day at the office for them, this isn’t something they think of as outrageous!
Gary says
Considering that the terrorists publicly instructed followers in Australia to publicly behead an Australian in Martin Place back in September 2014 Abbotts statement is ludicrous. The terrorists didn’t keep it a secret they announced it publicly, most of us watched and listened, then there were raids in September and here we are in December with ISLAMIC TERRORISTS IN MARTIN PLACE WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF HOSTAGES. What more warning did you want Tony Abbott, a friggin invitation to be there? What they want Mr Abbott is world domination, they want your death, our death and to control the world. Don’t appear like an idiot who doesn’t know what they want. That is what they want!
Doglicka says
Ah, c’mon mate. Enough of the left wing photographs. You’re using a photograph meant to denigrate a conservative leader, who, by the way, is also a Catholic. You don’t like being personally attacked do you Robert? This photograph encourages the simpletons to personally attack the PM.
For all you retards who think it appropriate to denigrate someone on their looks, he also has big ears and is a lifesaver that gets around in speedos from time to time. Will this help you? What are your thoughts on people with down syndrome? They must look pretty funny to you huh? I have a cousin who walks funny as he has a club foot and a step brother that is a dwarf.
Please, I hope you pull out some of your ignorant comments about them in front of me some time. In the mean time, have a think about what makes you so perfect that you can be the arbiter of belittling someone because of their looks.
Mo says
@ Doglicka
“Ah, c’mon mate. Enough of the left wing photographs. You’re using a photograph meant to denigrate a conservative leader, who, by the way, is also a Catholic. You don’t like being personally attacked do you Robert? This photograph encourages the simpletons to personally attack the PM.
For all you retards who think it appropriate to denigrate someone on their looks, he also has big ears and is a lifesaver that gets around in speedos from time to time. Will this help you? What are your thoughts on people with down syndrome? They must look pretty funny to you huh? I have a cousin who walks funny as he has a club foot and a step brother that is a dwarf.
Please, I hope you pull out some of your ignorant comments about them in front of me some time. In the mean time, have a think about what makes you so perfect that you can be the arbiter of belittling someone because of their looks.”
Can you show me what comment about his looks is in this article?
When you’re done providing that evidence, anything to say on this latest jihad attack by Muslims following the dictates of their death cult?
Arthur says
Actually, Dog, the only comment about his looks is that it is a reaction to what he has been saying. I think you’ve missed the substance of all of the comments posted here and created a straw man argument.
If the simpletons are attacking Abbott because of his looks, it is not on this page. So I guess we conclude that the commentators on this page are not simpletons.
Myxlplik says
I don’t think people believe he always looks like that, so they weren’t discriminating against some deformity. Rather, they were poking fun at the bewildered look on his face relative to the silly nature of his comments regarding this specific incident.
Calm down…
Julia says
That’s a priceless photo of the PM, truly perfect.
reyol says
“Tony Abbott: ‘We don’t know the motivation,’” (for the siege).
I don’t have the information gathering resources of a state working for me but I suspect that the motivation for the siege of Lindt Chocolate is similar to the motivation for the Siege of Vienna – something along the lines of ‘make Islam supreme’.
Myxlplik says
The truth is, due to decades of poor immigration policy related to the philosophy of relativism mated with our ideals of freedom of thought, conscious, and expression has lead to the philosophy of ulimited multiculturalism without nuance. An analysis of our ideals mated with the philosophy of rationalism causes an external locus of data to be considered, which naturally leads to controlled immigration policy, borders, and an analysis of creeds/demographics relative to immigration policy which fit into our ideals.
This wasn’t done, so now we literally have hundreds of millions of Muslims in the west, who don’t believe in our ideals of freedom, which the Islamic State can call upon as soldiers within our societies. How we deal with this is going to be tricky. In the end, let’s hope we don’t have to sacrifice our ideals in order to survive, but the failure started with the idea of unlimited multiculturalism due “realativism”, mated with our ideals of freedom not “rationalism” mated with our ideals.
Like some on here have said, many of the hostages may be beheaded by their own “countrymen”. This is an ideological failure on our part… Relativism vs Rationalism, this is the end result, chaos.
jay says
I love the argument of “ISIS uses it, but they didn’t INVENT it!”. So feel free to fly those Nazi flags, the Nazis didn’t invent the symbology of it so it holds no meaning. These terrorists and these islamic organizations are just the muslims who have nothing to lose and/or got up off their ass and take their religion seriously, the lazy stay-at-home support from a distance muslim will never admit this though. That’s what “moderate” means. They of course believe in everything it says but don’t have the stomach or time or motivation to do the dirty work. Sit in their western comfort and freedom while the Arab-world created brain washed Palestinian refugees fight the so called evil they profit and leech off of after Islam has thoroughly devastated and corroded their own countries and cultures.
celticwarriorcanada says
Anyone who thinks this is going to end peacefully really does live in Liberal Utopian Fantasy Land.Sorry Tony ;but I’m not sure who’s dumber ? You ,David Cameron,or Kiss Muslim Asses Obama . Maybe it’s ” Dumb, Dumber and Dumber Even Number .Even more ” pathetic ” are the easily misled Sheeple who voted you in ! Though Canada isn’t far behind you ; At Least ,my Prime Minister calls it what it is” Islamic Terrorism” ! P.S . Even though I live in Canada , my children are learning FireArms Safety and Shooting .
I’m a little old now,though I shot many a gun on the farm when I was younger . I’m pretty good with the Japanese Kamas . Maybe they are illegal in your country now ! I wish you well in your negotiations with irrational savages ; but hay ! Who understands the irrational better than the irrational?
Salah says
“Even though I live in Canada , my children are learning FireArms Safety and Shooting .”
Good. But what is a firearm good for if you’re not allowed to carry it anywhere, if you have to keep it locked and unloaded?
I agree, Harper is way better than Trudeau, but he has a long way to go to keep Canadians safe and capable of defending themselves.
Honest citizens must be allowed to carry concealed handguns all the time, everywhere.
RJ says
World LEADERS and its Politically Correct Citizenry
All seem oblivious to the REAL THREAT OF ISLAM…
To Claim the World for MOHAMMD ISLAM’S ALLAH…
AND KILL ALL INFIDEL’S
Anon says
Those darn “perpetrators” – according to abcnews “… as police tried to make contact with the perpetrators…” 6 billion muslims and it’s all so “peaceful.”
Should Sharia Apply to All Citizens? – The percentage that believe this is 46.5% based on ten Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa. Based on the Muslim population of those countries, that results in 243 million people (at a minimum) believing that Sharia law should apply to all citizens.
Penalty for Converting to Another Faith – The percentage that believe this is 67.60% based on ten Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa. Based on the Muslim population of those countries, that results in 353 million people (at a minimum) believing in the death penalty for leaving Islam.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country (collated from known sources).
Someone please show me where more than 400 million Christians around the world believe in the death penalty for leaving Christianity.
No Fear says
There are a quite a few “moderate” muslims who support the IS, maybe not so much in Australia but overseas.
I know what I would do to this idiot criminal in Martin Place…..
Waleed Aly and Tony Abbott says
The media told me Islam is the “religion of peace” and that this “lone wolf” “hijacked” this peaceful religion.
How come there are so few hijacking Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism etc..seems like there is a constant flow of people hijacking Islam. Perhaps this is where Tony Abbott can inform us that this attack has “nothing to do with Islam” and perhaps we could have a joint media conference with Waleed Aly where he informs us that it was the Tea Party behind the attack, just like the Boston Bombers.
dumbledoresarmy says
The text on the flag – the black flag of Jihad – is the Islamic declaration of “faith”. It says what all Muslims believe. It’s what converts to Islam have to say to *join* the Allah Gang.
Therefore, this attack and taking of hostages is motivated by Islam, Islam, Islam.
No Australian politician or police or journalist should be going anywhere near *any* Muslim ‘leader’ or spokesperson, right now. They – the other Muslims – shouldn’t even be given the time of day.
Victor says
And those unfortunate livestock exported to a cruel death so everyone can enjoy a nice halal meal. So don’t upset this lucrative trade :(. Nothing to do with Islam.
particolor says
Does He want 3 Guesses or will He get it right First time this Time ??
Phil says
Our Prime Minister knows full well what the flag stands for – the Liberals just don’t want to lose to many votes from certain critical western suburb electorates in Sydney.
Not that Labor would act any differently. Gutless wonders, all of them.
Paul van Dinther says
To me it is seems obvious this guy is acting alone. He does not appear to me member of one of the worldwide terrorist groups but he does appear to be Muslim and acts on the sentiments found in the koran and he seems motivated by the ISIS activities.
I just wish police would have gone in in the first hour, blow his brains out and call it a day. Pandering to these guys only sets the scene for the next attack.
Should this be called a terrorist attack? Damn right it should. There is no clear definition for the word terrorist but it is commonly understood to be violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants
So, on the face of this, this is a terrorist attack but not in the sense that is is from one of the larger terrorist groups.
It bothers me that the word terrorist is now replaced in the media by gunman in order to shift focus away from Islam.
sheik y'booty says
Abbott is actually correct. there is no confirmation that this is definitely Jihad-related. It’s not really the ISIS MO is it? Why aren’t they all dead already?
Now, of course we all suspect that it is IS related, and so does Mr Abbott. But a prime-minister has an obligation to be careful not to stir things up otherwise there would definitely be reprisal attacks against all and any muslims, and mosques
There’s also a non-zero possibility that it could just be some dumb white nuttter who has decided to wave a flag around (not the ISIS flag btw). He’s not identified yet.
Twostellas says
Aw, how sweet, you don’t think any are dead yet. Bless your heart.
And yes hostage taking of civilians is a quite popular Islamic terror tactic, so much so that Islam has quite a bit of rules regarding such going back to the days of Muhammed.
Reprisal attacks against “all and any Muslims and Mosques”? I do hope you are being sarcastic, badly btw. Yes, we see that happen constantly after devastating terror attacks in the west, Mosques getting blown up left and right, and machete attacks and beheadings of any and all Muslims, give me a break! Most westerners are very tolerant and decent people and not so evil as to copy the evil that Islamists dish out on a daily basis. Get real!
Do you mean by “white nutter” a non-Muslim “nutter”?
TruthWFree says
People like you will never “get it”.
noreen says
Dumb and dumber. This guy is an embarrassment to Australia!
particolor says
As the Person above says, lets not jump to Conclusions !! It may be just a Normal person from the Middle East ,behaving normally !!
Always On Watch says
What mind-boggling idiocy (political correctness) from both the prime minister and the police commissioner!
Ludicrousness that is deadly.
duh_swami says
Live brain cells are rare in the upper crust of the elitist world, where life is beautiful all the time, where flowers bloom, and rainbows and butterfly fill the sky…It must be wonderful to be that stupid…
particolor says
My Immediate response at first reading Tony’s message was ..Yes I will get on with My business as usual ! With Eyes in My Arse for Ever More !!
SpiritOf1683 says
And now it seemas as if hostages have been taken in Ghent, Belgium. This is the price of letting in these savages, and this is urinating on the graves of those servicemen who were killed 70 years ago during the liberation of Europe from Nazi tyranny.
onisac says
Is the upper class (world leaders) so far up, that they are disconnected from the real world.?
Or are they just too afraid of being beheaded that they dare not speak the truth.?
particolor says
Is Australia the only country where you get BAIL for Rape, Murder and Hate Mail ?? Or are there others that are Warm and Fuzzy to Middle Eastern Nutbags ??
TruthWFree says
What happened to the woman Prime Minister that knew what was going on. This idiot is clueless. We can send you Obama (who is a closet Muslim…and not clueless).
Lioness says
I am sure the arabic words on the black flag say “Peace, love, tolerance to all religions”. Same as the ISIS flag, all warm and fuzzy.
Alexius Comnenus says
Tony is the most stupid person on the planet eart. He is the pride of Australia which will become like France and UK-a musleem becoming country.
ken cicala says
the first thing Tony needs to do is get an understanding of Islam and know it for what it is. EVIL.
In order to defeat an enemy you must understand it. They have no understanding of what the motives are and never will until they understand that.
Bart Notmyrealname says
Could the purpose of the attack have been to expose the Australian PM as a stuttering imbecile? Because that’s been pulled off in grand fashion.
Steven says
Mr. Abbott, this occurred for the same reasons 9/11, the Madrid train bombings, London subway bombings, first WTC attack, bombing of the USS Cole, slaughter and enslavement of the Yazidis, Iran seeking a bomb, Hamas using human shields, ad infinitum. How stupid can a person be who does not understand this? You are very stupid Mr. Abbott because you are in denial.
BB says
Tony, please open some sharia courts in your country or study the economics of terrorism. ..or watch RT news,the best anti western organization since Tokyo Rose, maybe you’ll understand? ????but I doubt it! !
particolor says
Yes !! Just go about Your business like nothing happened !! It was nothing to do with Islam !
parsley_pop says
you captured his facial expression perfectly love it!
particolor says
He looks like He just saw how much His next Pay Rise will be !!
parsley_pop says
LOL hes not the most photogenic man
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Lord have mercy! That guy’s got eyes you could knock off with a stick.
Exopthalmia big-time. Then again: That’d be the normal reaction of a non-politician, am I right? Upon viewing the teleprompter.
Roselijn says
Tony, How dare you to say “..to go about their business as usual” while you lost 2 of your people? There is no guarantee in the next day moslem will stop behead and terrorized infidels
Andy says
Tony, How dare you to say “..to go about their business as usual” while you lost 2 of your people? There is no guarantee in the next day moslem will stop behead and terrorized infidels
particolor says
Tony is going to catch the Morning Train to the Western Suburbs tomorrow for one of His Tours ! Without His 2 Dozen Body Guards !! Yes ! What a thought ??
robby says
“But we do know that it has nothing, nothing whatsoever, to do with Islam!
“Tony Abbott: ‘We don’t know the motivation,’” Guardian, December 15, 2014:”
THIS WOULD BE THE MOST IGNORANT STUPID DIM WITTED ARROGANT DUMB BOOT LICKING BROWN NOSED POLITICALLY INSPIRED HEAP OF GARBAGE I HAVE EVER HEARD COME OUT OF ANY POLITICIAN ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD, INCLUDING OBAMA WHEN HE SAID THAT ISLAM HAS A LONG HISTORY OF TOLERANCE.
particolor says
Will someone tell Abbott that Wasn’t Charley Chaplin in Martin Place !! And stop Crapping on to the Public !!
It was a Barbarian Jihadist Creature that They let into this ONCE SAFE Country ! And Stop Pandering to them !! I’m walking down the Street and I see one of them in a Tent or Beard,I cross the road !! I see one in a Shop I leave !! And I will from Now On !!… Have a Nice Day and go about YOUR Business like its Fairy Land and Completely Safe as You told us to !! ..