“Sherman stressed the need to find Islamic–rather than secular or humanitarian–justifications against the brutality of the Islamic State to appeal to Muslims worldwide.” It is certainly true that only showing that the Islamic State is wrong on Islamic grounds will keep some Muslims from supporting it. Sherman is, of course, assuming that Islam is a religion of peace and that the Islamic State is transgressing against its teachings. Unfortunately, however, even Muslim challenges to the Islamic State have not made that case. If Sherman’s advice is heeded, it is much more likely that the Islamic scholars that the State Department hires will have connections to the Muslim Brotherhood and will work to undermine counter-terror efforts than that they will fight against the beliefs of the Islamic State.
“Brad Sherman: State Dep’t Should Hire Islamic Scholars to Combat IS Ideology,” by Sam Taylor, Washington Free Beacon, December 3, 2014 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
Congressman Brad Sherman (D., Calif.) said the U.S. State Department has enough lawyers, but needs more experts in Islamic jurisprudence to combat the ideology of the Islamic State.
On Tuesday, Sherman told a congressional hearing that the U.S. should hire Muslim theologians and experts in Shari’a law to help reduce the threat of worldwide terror.
Sherman backed up his statements during an interview with Al Jazeera America’s Antonio Mora on Tuesday night.
“We have the outreach–what we don’t have is the research,” Sherman said. “Keep in mind, the State Department has a thousand lawyers. I think they ought to hire one or two experts in Islamic jurisprudence, whether they be practicing Muslims or others who have the expertise.
“It’s not enough to say, ‘look at what ISIS did, they beheaded somebody, it’s evil.’”
Sherman stressed the need to find Islamic–rather than secular or humanitarian–justifications against the brutality of the Islamic State to appeal to Muslims worldwide, particularly in the West, who are susceptible to recruitment via social media.
Sherman said this would involve employing established Muslim scholars who can justify opposition to IS with passages from the Quran and the Hadith–the collections of teachings, sayings, and actions of the Prophet Muhammad.
“One must be able to turn to the Quran, to turn to the Hadith and show how ISIS is making a mockery of a great world religion,” Sherman said. “You cannot appeal to Islamic jurists unless you can cite Hadith, unless you can cite Quran, unless you can do all the things you would do in working before any other jurists anywhere in the world.
“You need legal expertise to get the Islamic legal scholars to be on our side.”
Michael Copeland says
Could the poor dear Congressman read Koran chapter 9, the Sura-at-Tawba? It can be found online. He would then see that, as Lt.Col. (ret) Allen West says, “They are doing exactly what this book says.”
Oh, and in case he starts muttering about the Old Testament, the Koran forms part of Islamic law. One who denies any verse has to be killed: the killing can be performed without penalty by anyone “since it is killing someone who deserves to die” (Manual of Islamic Law o.8.4). The Manual, “Reliance of the Traveller”, is a free download.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6230-licence-to-kill-as-taught-in-mosques
Pere LaChaise says
The State Dept. can go ahead and hire any number of moslem ‘scholars’ and it won[‘t make any difference, except that the State Dept will start sounding moslem, which is what the Congressman wants to do.
Problem remains that there is no central teaching authority within islam that guides the interpretation of ‘scripture’, law and tradition, it’s a free-for-all and generally the guy who yells loudest (with most support from the rich & powerful) and appears most intolerant wins the ‘argument’. This is an historical fact that describes the ‘development’ of islamic thought & jurisprudence (sic) over the 14 centuries of its miserable existence.
To appeal to authority within islam to combat its most intolerant expression in ISIS is a fool’s errand that will only put the US State Dept in the role of financial backer to the a school of islamic thought which will be easily, and cheaply discredited by ‘scholars’ among the supporters of ISIS.
If we want to take the wind out of the sails of that outfit, we need to cut their funding. Can the US do nothing to curb such support from the richest of Arab oil sheiks? Apparently, we still think we can co-opt Prince Bandar, who even now adumbrates Salafi plans to drive the Copts (Arabic for ‘Egyptian’) out of their native lands.
voegelinian says
I agree that Islamic law is riddled and rife with centrifugally internecine problems; but I think it’s a mistake to conclude that it is simply so, and that there does not exist a paradoxical centripetal dynamic of core cohesion that radiates out from some center throughout its shimmering diversity to reach every last Muslim of the Umma through its super-cultural psychological tendrils and tentacles.
In addition, if one is going to speculate about the spectacle and phenomenon of Islamic diversity, one should attend to data that would tend to counteract one’s understandable impulse, based on the superficial, to accentuate the chaotic — such as the massive datum of the O.I.C. This fine talk by Stephen Coughlin for example, an hour and 15 minutes and worth every minute of it, would go a long way as a corrective:
RonaldB says
The video is massively informative and scary as hell.
ebonystone says
“Can the US do nothing to curb such support from the richest of Arab oil sheiks? ”
With the fracking revolution in energy production, the U.S. has already done a lot to reduce such support, by slashing the revenues of the terror-sheiks by tens of billions of dollars. If the government opened more federal areas to drilling, we could cut their incomes even more.
Jay Boo says
Pere LaChaise
Please note voegelinian’s ornate PEACOCK SHOW comment.
It does nothing to confront Islam.
He appears to be replying to you but he is actually gazing into his own eyes in the mirror.
I could have replied directly to him but, I will take the stealth approach instead as he has done below in attacking Mortimer.
While I can easily see how harry jones might have misread the intent of mortimer’s comment, there is absolutely no excuse for a long time commenter such as voegelinian to jump in like a jackal and misrepresent mortimer just so vain voegelinian can get an ego boost.
Lesley says
This is an idiotic proposal. Yes, maybe if we can find the magic words in the Koran and Hadith, we can run around the Islamic State yelling, ‘Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!’ and then the Islamists will magically stop being so mean and then we can all have a lovely picnic together with unicorns and singing flowers.
Why aren’t more of our leaders making their own decisions about the ideology of Islam instead of accepting the force-feeding of, ‘Islam is a religion of peace’? Can’t these people read or think? Maybe they can read and think, but just not at the same time… like chewing and walking gum is too hard for them or something.
Want to enlist the advice of a scholar on the subject? How about Robert Spencer, or Pamela Gellar. Want a native perspective, how about Walid Shoebat? He can read it to you from the Arabic and translate it for you. Any ‘scholar’ who is going to reinforce the delusion that Islam is a religion of peace is either lying (taqiyya– an important operational concept in Islam to understand) or is also drinking the same poisoned cool aid that they already are. Shameful!
mortimer says
It isn’t ‘idiotic’…it’s the way to start. The Egyptian government is doing JUST THAT by enlisting the top scholars of the Islamic world to argue against ISIS. True, they are using arguments that are based on ‘maslahah’, rather than condemning jihad outright, but better something than nothing.
It’s frankly a scam to criticize ISIS, because they are implementing Saudi Wahhabism against the House of Saud.
Ultimately, we don’t want to be seen to be ‘at war with Islam’ which will upset many people, so we use the best we’ve got.
Robert Spencer’s book need urgently to be translated into Indonesian, Urdu and Arabic to plead Muslims to leave this evil Death Cult.
Jaladhi says
War with Islam is coming, sooner or later, whether our government or people want it not. Islam has declared war against every non-Muslim and so should we worry about our facade of “not in war against Islam”!!
voegelinian says
mortimer is a long-time Jihad Watch commenter, going back years. He is also a flaming example of a “Jihad Watch Softy”. Example:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/muslims-protest-against-australia-terror-raids-there-is-anger-in-the-community-we-have-been-victimised-for-years-and-years/comment-page-1#comment-1121630
And that isn’t the only time mortimer has shown his asymptotic (if not positively PC MC) underbelly.
(And note the responses of other JW regulars to mortimer’s asymptotic ejaculation — they were in rare form (with the accent on “rare”), actually bothering to stand up against an asymptotic spasm for once in their lives.)
Michael Copeland says
Would a sufficient “expert in Islamic jurisprudence” be Ali Gomaa, Grand Mufti of Egypt, Sunni Islam’s highest authority? He has assured everyone:
“Muslims must kill non-believers wherever they are unless they convert to Islam”
That includes Congressman Brad Sherman, by the way.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/5789-ideology-of-killing
Jovial Joe says
But hang on, our good Congressman and everyone else in politics and the media constantly claim that Islam is a religion of peace, which presupposes they know something about the religion (i.e., they’ve at least read translations of the Quran and the Hadith). But now he’s implying that he knows nothing about these texts and requires others to interpret them. But does that not mean that he had no justification or evidence for his original assertion about a ‘peaceful’ Islam? Of course it does; these are just platitudes he spouts reflexively and without thought. So basically our Congressman has just admitted how dumb and intellectually dishonest he’s been.
Darren says
Doesn’t it scare you that people like this man and there are far worse, can be elected to positions of power? I understand that many people are so busy with their day to day lives and their families that when they get a few moments of free time they would rather do something relaxing, and as anyone who is interested in politics knows reading about the nonsense day in and day out is more frustrating than anything. Still I am amazed at how ignorant and apathetic the majority of the populace is. I get the feeling the majority of people don’t even care, as long as they have their TV and iphone.
Know Thy Enemy says
My observations regarding people are exactly the same as yours. Their attitude is “if it sounds ugly then don’t even tell me about it”!
People (the majority) will NOT care, and when the jihadis take over their towns, they will be praying for God/government to show up from somewhere and save them. Except that no one will be able to save them at that point.
The problem is that the small percentage of people who Do care will end up suffering the same fate as the apathetic for the simple reason that we live among them. I for one, do not want to have to pay for their apathy. There is such a thing as individual responsibility, and only the ones who are responsible for apathy should suffer the consequences. Not us!
Hence the question is, how do we avoid the same fate that awaits the apathetic?
Darren says
I have an idea but saying it just p*sses people off. I’ve stated many things over the years that were simply honest truths and observations and people even friends reacted to it negatively. To me it is just like saying the sun will rise and the sky is blue, but for some reason by my act of saying it, it offended or angered them. I’ve gotten this reaction in a lot of people. I think the best chance we have is to simply realize the masses will always be the masses, there will be no great awakening on this and on many other issues, but since this is an anti jihadist site I won’t get into it.
Anyway we need to find a way to manipulate the the herd and direct it in such a way that it benefits us and them in the process. I am of the opinion the majority will never wake up and not just on this issue. It offends people to hear this or p*sses more people off, and making friends is what I do best as evidenced by being stalked by a global network of hackers and other people since August of 2013. The fact is the majority of people are apathetic easily lied to easily manipulated and easily lead. Look no further than the reelection rate of elected prostitutes inside this country. The same spiel of promising them unicorns and rainbows every election season works 9 times out of 10.
Most of the time they don’t even deliver on their promises, they just say whatever to get the masses fired up. A more astute observer would see through their paper thin masks and recognize them for the frauds they are, but sadly most are swept up by their emotions and feelings. Another sad fact of reality is that many of people will deny an uncomfortable reality and lie to themselves up until the point where they are dead or feeling the heat themselves. We need good orators and manipulators of the masses who support the anti jihad crowd. We need better marketing too, since good marketing goes a long way. Now of course there are exceptions to every rule and sometimes the masses do awaken but from what I’ve observed it is rare, and there is usually a third party behind the scenes using them to further their own ends, it is what it is. I also have observed that many people hate hearing uncomfortable truths and would rather hear sweet sounding lies. I honestly don’t think much will be done until there are daily car bombings and RPG attacks in the streets. I know I’m a glass half full type of guy what can I say. I do hope I’m wrong, but hope isn’t a strategy either.
Michael Copeland says
If, by now, Congressman Brad Sherman might have read Koran 9, the “Sura at-Tawba” (cited by the Woolwich killer of soldier Lee Rigby) he will see that verse 29 commands the killing of non-believers unless they convert to Islam, or accept second-class dhimmi status, paying the jizya “protection” money, and “feel themselves subdued”. Ali Gomaa (above) was not making it up.
Darren says
People should setup some bot program or just do it themselves that keeps emailing the Congressman information about islam and it’s founder.
voegelinian says
I’m afraid the Congressman’s bot program — i.e., his staff, the subculture of his colleagues, the miasma-osmosis of his American and Western PC MC culture (including most Ordinary People, with Republicans and Christians among them) all around him as gauzy as a smoggy sky on a nice Spring day — is stronger than any bots we can deploy.
Darren says
I fear you are right, even still I will continue to tilt at windmills, the problem with being awake on some issues and wanting to deal with the problem now before it gets worse is I am both in the minority and I am a meaningless nobody one of billions typing away on a computer. I am just hoping that my fate doesn’t end up being someone who knows history and due to being a peasant in the U.S unable to effect change of any kind having to watch others repeat it while being dragged kicking and screaming along for the ride. I expect that will be my fate, on this issue and many others. I think I understand how your basic Roman peasant felt as he was tilling his fields and watching Rome burn. At the end of the day all I can really do is life my life to it’s fullest and try to have a positive influence on those around me and close to me.
Twostellas says
Calling out the nasty deeds and words of Muhammed is the only way, so the uneducated masses of Muslims around the world will know exactly what is in their religion, then if someone doesn’t think that child marriage (especially to a 9 year old girl by a 50 something year old man!) , be heading, sex slavery, slavery, inequality before the law, violent supremacism, wife beating, etc etc isn’t wrong and immoral…well, what can you do? But fight them every step of the way.
Then Islamic countries need to be forced to grant human rights for all and freedom of religion, so then Muslims who want to reject Islam, can. This hasn’t even been started on…reference Pakistan being sent tons of cash yet still practicing legal punishments for blasphemy! That needs to end. Period. Every tool we have should be brought down on these countries that stay mired in these practices. Yet, we sit and do nothing and pretend as if its an unsolvable problem. Smh.
voegelinian says
I see Twostellas hasn’t graduated to the full horror of the catastrophe of Islam, and still holds onto the slender reed of hope that most Muslims are “ignorant of their own Islam”.
Darren says
99% of afghans want Sharia law. What if they are content living in the 7th century and don’t want to change their ways? I know this angle of thought is unpopular and people want to believe fairy tales exist and human nature is much more noble than it actually is, but I feel the evidence is overwhelming that both dialog with islam and human nature isn’t the fairy tale we all think it is.
cs says
Good intentions, but great opportunity for Taqqiyya, so it will be a doomed proposal.
Twostellas says
Maybe he should check out how well this ‘strategy’, if you can even call it that, has fared in Europe. Ended up with a bunch of tax payers money being diverted to Muslim groups who said what the non-Muslim pols wanted to hear (and to report to their constituents as making progress :/ ), while the Muslim groups pocketed the money, the money disappeared, and nothing, nothing! was accomplished that did any good…in fact, it made things worse with all the lies and distortion and soothing words that get more people killed in the end.
jewdog says
Sure. Let’s start with Barack Obama. He seems to claim to know about Islam. Somehow, the quotes he has used haven’t seemed to work too well, but maybe he has some more up his sleeve. The we can bring in Yusuf Al Qaradawi, one of the leading Sunni scholars in the world, a man who admires Hitler…oops.
Wasn’t it Alexis de Tocqueville who said people get the government they deserve? Sherman represents the sad reality of that maxim, as the blind elect the blind.
Darren says
No truer words have ever been spoken. The blind elect the blind. I am amazed at how many of these powerful people end up in positions of power. It is depressing to me since I honestly believe we are in decline and are repeating a similar life cycle in a nation as so many others, while thinking we are somehow above history. I’ll copy paste this gem, in your opinion what number do you think we are at. I say 8-9.
The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from great courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again to bondage.”
jewdog says
Right, the general life span of a dynasty in China was about 250 years. For example, the Communists overthrew the Qing Dynasty at about that time. Traditionally, fierce horsemen would sweep down from Mongolia and conquer the ruling wimps. Once established, they’d eventually become soft and decadent and ripe for the picking. It’s not hard to spot similar tendencies in the West.
Darren says
The descendants of the empire grow soft and decadent and corrupt living off of the accomplishments of their ancestors and either get conquered outright or just give away their empire. I read that the average lifespan of a democracy is something like 200 years. It’s interesting that both the ancient Chinese and those in the western school of thought more or less came to the same conclusion on this matter. Two storied and old civilizations reached more or less the same time frame. The same thing is happening to the West now. Our weaknesses are many and glaringly apparent.
Darren says
What is that old saying history doesn’t repeat but it does rhyme.
Michael Copeland says
The Congressman could trade notes with the Vatican: they share the same outlook, or blinders.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6538-vatican-blind-to-islamic-reality
Mira says
Poor Sherman, he truly believes that there is something in the Koran that is different from what the ISIS is quoting! People who have not even read a translation of the Koran and imagine they know more than the people who have read the Koran in its native Arabic and are acting upon it, people with this kind of naivety will pay for it.
voegelinian says
They don’t need to read the Koran. They have a guiding axiom that is the assumption that this “World Religion” and its lovely ethnically diverse population of hundreds of millions of different brown, black, yellow and a few white followers (a Rainbow Coalition!) cannot be bad. They start with this axiom, then they proceed with the business of making the data fit the axiom. The alternative interpretation that unfolds from a more responsible and attentive (and informed) appraisal of the data, that would lead to a systemic condemnation of this “World Religion” — its tenets, its texts, its history, its culture, its multitudes of enablers — is simply unthinkable.
For one thing, it would lead to thoughts which the anxious Westerner whose heart & mind have been deformed by PC MC fears (irrationally) would be “racist” (cf. the aforementioned .”Rainbow”).
Keith says
Didn’t Obama get rid of all the experts on Islam and remove all mention of Jihad and Islam from all anti terrorist training. So why would he now want to get experts on Sharia law and Islam to counter Islamic terrorism and the IS.
St. Croix says
They should hire ex-Muslim Islamic scholars to help them out there. There are numbers of them to choose from. Many are right on your doorstep as they found refuge in America after seeing for themselves the flaws and contradictions even in the writings–and then experiencing the persecution that comes with expressing any doubt in the immaculate Koran. Their eyes were opened to the true nature of the religion they were born into and studied. Here is one: http://www.drmarkgabriel.com
S says
Hmmm. It looks like Dr Gabriel’s website has been hacked or something.
St. Croix says
Hmmm. Looks like Mark Gabriel’s website has been hacked or something. Maybe by one of those Muslims who believe he doesn’t really exist (and has apparently been replaced by a body double according to one Imam). Nonetheless “he” has been putting out books and doing interviews for some time now. One review of a book: http://www.honestthinking.org/en/pub/VL.2005.03.21.JTA.Islam_and_the_Jews.htm
mortimer says
Dr. Mark Gabriel is working on a model from Sharia law to dissuade Muslims from conducting jihad.
He is an excellent choice.
voegelinian says
The overarching point that seems to subtly elude most in the Counter-Jihad is that the PC MC Mainstream is primarily concerned with defending Muslims, and by extension of this concern, to defend Islam. With respect to the problems which are radiating out from the Muslim world, the PC MC methodology is to always construe the data, no matter how alarming or horrific, in such a way as to guarantee the primary objective: to protect Muslims, and by extension to protect their Islam.
The reason they do this is for a variety of reasons (none of them nefarious — sorry, Conspiracy Theorists):
1) the sheer number and global demographics of Muslims — 1.3 billion, in 56 countries around the world and in addition spread out by the millions in dozens more countries, including every country of the West
2) the historical pedigree of Islam which, no matter how much we may gripe about it, has always been considered to be a “Religion” and a major one at that; and which for centuries commanded a respectable Empire rivaling those of Alexander the Great and the Roman Empire
3) the ostensible ethnic composition of this vast diverse demographic, lending the overwhelming impression that Muslims are predominately an ethnic people (i.e., non-white, non-Western), or a wonderful diversity, rainbow, tapestry, mosaic, stir-fry, paella of ethnic peoples (brown, black, yellow, with a smattering of white here and there).
Factor #3 especially pushes the hot buttons of the PC MC Mainstream, by triggering semi-concious concerns stemming from its ridiculous White Guilt. Meanwhile, factor #1 means that multitudes of Muslims — the seeming majority of its 1.3 billion all over the Allahdamned planet — are not exploding, not beheading, not stabbing, not shooting anyone; and moreover, many of them in the West are smiling and friendly, and hey, I even know some (the friendly dental hygienist at the clinic where I get my check-ups; or Neil Jennison’s Muslim friend “Paul” who cooks such tasty kebobs; et fucking cetera).
Put factors #1 and 3 into a PC MC blender and add plenty of white Western stupidity and PC MC Kool-Ade, and you get the protracted train wreck of a “policy” we are pursuing with our pants around our ankles as we bend over backwards to respect & protect Muslims (when we are not bending over forwards to receive their taqiyya-dicks up our asses).
Zebo says
Yeah-great idea.
Infect yourself with ebola to prevent ebola.
zebo says
btw-does anyone knows what has happened after the US army has employed an islamic psychiatrist?
This guy has shot several US Soldiers because of islam!
The only thing US goverment did was to declare it a non-terroristic attack(though the psychatrist explicitly said it was)
Jaladhi says
This guy has to be the “moron” of the year for such proposal!!
Muslims should not be allowed to be in our government and least of all in the defense department. See what that Hasan guy did to our troops right here in US of A which was just brushed off as work place violence. When PC liars are incharge everybody suffers!!
Papa Whiskey says
Sherman, eh? Mister Peabody should put him in the Wayback Machine and let him see the Battle of the Trench.
R. Muhammad says
I just called the Congressman’s D.C. office and read parts of Islamic Law so they understand the Islamic State is Islamic. I then posted the following comment on the Congressman’s Facebook page:
Congressman, you’re right that more needs to be done to combat the Islamic State rather than just saying, “look at what ISIS did, they beheaded somebody, it’s evil.” You are looking for individuals who have expertise on Islamic Law, but at the same time you believe Islam is peaceful. Your positions are in conflict as it seems you want ONLY someone to say that the Islamic State is un-Islamic, and that is NOT the same as saying you want someone who is has expertise in Islamic jurisprudence.
Before anyone is hired, to know if they are accurately representing the teachings of Islamic Shari’a Law, please obtain a copy for yourself of the number one authoritative book on Islamic jurisprudence. It is called ‘Umdat al-Salik, on in English “The Reliance of the Traveler”. Because this Al-Azhar University-certified book of Islamic jurisprudence is MAINSTREAM ISLAM, it is widely available in Islamic bookstores and mosques throughout the world, INCLUDING AMERICA.
I will provide citations directly from my copy of the book which you can verify when you obtain your own copy. From these citations, you will understand that the Islamic State has not hijacked Islam, rather the Islamic State is practicing the Islam of Qur’an and Muhammad in accordance with Islamic Shari’a Law:
Book of Justice –
section o9.13 “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled”
section o8.1 “When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed”
and how easy is it to be considered an apostate?
section o8.7 “Among the things that entail apostasy from Islam are:
(19) to be sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law
(20) to deny that Allah intended the Prophet’s message to be the religion followed by the entire world”
Item (20) is based on Qur’an verses and Muhammad’s teaching like:
Qur’an 8:39 “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”
Sahih Muslim 1.30 “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah”
Sahih Bukhari “Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.””
In other words, if a Muslim says they are against attacking others to impose Islam, then according to Islamic Law that Muslim has become non-Muslim and deserves to be killed.
As I just told your Washington office, lying to non-Muslims is 100% approved in Islam. Section r8.2 of the aforementioned Islamic jurisprudence book reads:
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory.”
Based on the Qur’an and Muhammad citations above (and many more), imposing Islam on the world is OBLIGATORY for Muslims. Therefore, if you are looking for a Muslim to LIE to you about the Islamic State not being Islamic, then you are helping Muslims expand the Islamic State by lying to Americans so we are unaware that Islam itself is what motivates the Islamic State. However, if you are looking for an expert on Islamic jurisprudence to tell you exactly what Islamic Law teaches, just as I’ve cited you from Islamic Law, then you will have to abandon your “Islam has been hijacked by the Islamic State” position because it is false.
If you want experts on Islamic jurisprudence to teach, you have to reverse the White House banning of Islamic experts who speak the truth, and bring in experts such as Major Stephen Coughlin, ex-CIA Clare Lopez, ex-FBI John Guandolo, Dr. Bill Warner and Robert Spencer. Islamic supremacists like Hamas-CAIR, recently named as a Muslim terrorist group, will smear experts like I’ve listed as “anti-Muslim, bigoted, hateful, racist, Islamophobes”. That tells you that you would be on the right track in bringing in any of the experts I’ve listed because if a Muslim terrorist group like Hamas-CAIR doesn’t like them, that means these experts are the exact people to bring in.
I will leave you will a recent training conducted by Islamic Law expert Clare Lopez. You will see the level of knowledge experts like her can bring to the table. I will also leave you with a link to “Shari’a for Non-Muslims” by Dr. Bill Warner so you can see how Islamic Shari’a Law (based on Qur’an and Muhammad) is dangerous for non-Muslims.
Thank you,
Ryan Muhammad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVD-aOvo-iU
http://www.politicalislam.com/…/sharia-law-for-non…/
Darren says
Careful you are liable to be put on a watch list for simply speaking the truth. I mean if returning war vets are considered possible extremists, there is no telling where islamophobes rank. Though at least you did something proactive, it does feel like tilting at windmills at times though doesn’t it?
IQ al Rassooli says
Dear Ryan
BRAVO!
You for a start are an EXPERT on Islam
All your references are of course correct BUT tragically the ‘congressman’ cannot possibly have TWO brain cells of Logic
Almost every Democrat I have heard or read about talk Islam based entirely on words emanating from their backside
Creatures like him should be removed from office and consigned to a mental asylum!
The tragedy is the fact that this imbecile was elected by worse imbeciles
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
R. Muhammad says
Thank you BlueRaven, Darren, and a special thank you to IQ al Rassooli for your overwhelming comment. I have been studying Islam hard for 3 years, learning from pioneers like you and Christian Prince and Robert Spencer and others. I am honored that you consider me an expert 🙂
While it is true that many will block out the truth, it is those like Darren and you and I and the many others who are the reason we don’t give up because there are more like us waiting to be discovered – they just need the right information.
I’m Kafir and proud of it too!
BlueRaven says
Ryan – great piece of info you sending out.
Jay Boo says
The State Department should rehire anti-jihad scholars who can reveal that ISIS is not making a mockery of a ‘great’ religion and that rather, ISIS is instead proving why Islam deserves to be reviled.
Jay Boo says
Sherman forgot to mention that one should always wash their hands after touching a Qur’an.
ECAW says
I would welcome this – as long as the scholars write it down. That way we can all weigh up their arguments. Apart from the usual things which convinced me of the evil of Islam, the arguments of Islamic apologists sealed it with their obvious deceptiveness. Therefore this initiative won’t persuade any would be jihadis but could go a long way to convincing those willing to look that IS really does equal Islam.
mortimer says
Top Islamic scholars are presently engaged in ADVANCED DECEPTION and manipulation of Islam’s texts. They are doing precisely what you say. The jihadists will not be persuaded because they will recognize the unconvincing, specious arguments. They will instead be further enraged by the lies of the scholars and demand their deaths as apostates and deviationists.
Jay Boo says
Where could they possibly find an Islamic scholar who is an expert in Islamic studies as well as its brutal implementation?
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
The leader of the Islamic State holds a PhD in Islamic studies
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/rome-and-whole-world-will-be-conquered-says-leader-of-islamic-state
Ben Affleck would approve
RonaldB says
I think this is a much more positive development than even the congressman might think.
As some on this thread have pointed out, the fact that the congressman has asked for Islamic arguments to counteract the appeal of ISIS, is an implicit admission that it is Islamic arguments that comprise the appeal of ISIS. Note also, that he qualified his appeal to include non-Muslim experts. This opens the door to scholars such as Robert Spencer and others. In other words, the congressman’s statement is not too far away from a repudiation of the White House directive to not mention Islam in any training on terrorism.
And the congressman is a Democrat.
Wouldn’t it be great to get a Democratic Presidential candidate, like Jim Webb, as well as a Republican candidate who, though they may not be fully acquainted with the threat of Islam, would at least be open to reason? I think that Democratic breakthroughs like this should be encouraged. They key is to get the parties to compete in the right direction. The lowest level of our political process came when McCain was running against Obama. Both of them ego-driven politicians totally consumed by either ideology, in the case of Obama, or ego, in the case of both Obama and McCain.
Darren says
The politically correct and infiltrated government most likely won’t let Mr. Spencer within a mile of any government building for fear of his islamophobe miasma infecting other “public servants”. As to the Islamic State Department their idea of a non muslim islamic expert is Ben Afleck. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Islamic State Department at some point in the future issues a fatwa on Mr. Spencer to show that they are keeping up with diversity within their department. Since as we all know the Islamic State Department has an affinity for hiring stealth jihadists or sympathizers, when they aren’t busy arming moderate jihadists around the world.
mortimer says
Agree with RonaldB. You state the important point: The reality that ISLAMISM IS FROM ISLAM is being recognized AT LONG LAST.
The next stage is to realize that ISLAMISM IS ISLAM.
The Dems are repudiating Obama’s Doctrine (i.e. “The Muslim Brotherhood are moderates”)
Darren says
Because sadly you can fool most of the people all of the time.
mortimer says
Quote: “the State Department has a thousand lawyers. I think they ought to hire one or two experts in Islamic jurisprudence, whether they be practicing Muslims or others who have the expertise”
Great. So hire Robert Spencer. He has the expertise.
mortimer says
Brad Sherman’s idea isn’t foolish because the Egyptian government is doing it.
Nonetheless, I doubt it will work. How can they convince jihadists that the plain meaning of the hadiths and Sira is not true without actually destroying the very Islamic faith of jihadists in those foundational source texts?
Indeed, the only way to stop jihad is to destroy Islamic faith through textual criticism and historical study of foundational Islam. The conclusion one inevitably reaches is that there was no ‘Islam’ until Caliph Abd al Malik and even as late as Caliph Suleiman there was very little ‘Islam’ and what there was had no certainty of being authentic. The physical, archeological evidence contradicts the official legends of foundational Islam, so those legends must be false and almost 100% fabricated. This realization is destroying the faith of many Muslims at this time.
Darren says
How do you convince a rabid dog to quit being a rabid dog? What if the promise of loot, plunder, s*x slaves, conquest and 72 virgins in paradise appeals to me? Also what if I am a true believer and no matter what you say I simply dismiss it as an infidel heathen trying to test my faith or tell me lies. I know you think the answer is in talking, though past history says this approach will not work, though I do understand why you would rather talk, the thought of a bloody war isn’t appealing to anyone. I just think it is as pointless as building a sand castle to try stopping the tide from coming in.
Salah says
@mortimer,
“Brad Sherman’s idea isn’t foolish because the Egyptian government is doing it.
“Nonetheless, I doubt it will work. How can they convince jihadists that the plain meaning of the hadiths and Sira is not true without actually destroying the very Islamic faith of jihadists in those foundational source texts?”
IT WILL WORK. It will work in the long run.
It will work PRECISELY because they won’t be able to convince jihadists that what they’re doing is not True Islam.
It will work because the average Muslim will finally understand that ISIS is True Islam.
It will work because the average Muslim will finally understand that by rejecting ISIS, he is rejecting Islam itself.
It will work and it *is* already working:
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/01/egyptian-muslims-tear-up-quran.html
mccode says
Another clueless dhimmi
mariam rove says
With people like him in power we are in deep….m
Darren says
With people electing him into power we are in deep…
Champ says
Bravo, Harry!
Champ says
Ok, put your money where your mouth is and hire Robert Spencer …
No one is better qualified for the job!
Paleologos says
I live in California with all these brain dead Democrats. Believe me, there are one celled animals with more brains than a California Democrat.
The ultimate proof? … Nancy Pelosi
The Democrats, or … as I prefer to call them, the “islamocrats,” wouldn’t recognize the intrinsic evil of islam if a bunch of imams broke into their homes and raped their 9 year old daughters.
They gave us barry hussein, the nation’s first muslim president, didn’t they?.
Islamic Scholars ??? … hahaha … what a laugh! Talk about oxymoron!
Instead of looking for islamic scholars, we should be deporting their filthy muslim asses en masse before we become the U.K.
Want a chilling factoid?
There are now 10 million of these islamic assholes in the U.S.!
R/
Paleologos
IQ al Rassooli says
Dear readers
The totality of the CULT belief system of Muhammadan Islam stands or falls like an INVERTED Pyramid on a SINGLE Dogma that Allah is God, the same as the God of Jesus Moses & Abraham
Bull Crap! IQ utterly demolishes this claim in LESS than 10 minutes on the Glazov Gang
Do any of you have NINE minutes to get enlightened?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/frontpagemag-com/is-allah-the-same-as-the-god-of-the-bible-on-the-glazov-gang-2/
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
ECAW says
Yes, I watched it and was so impressed by your two central arguments that I summarised them and stored them away for future use. Here they are for anyone without nine minutes to spare:
Self-contradictions in the Koran:
5:46 And in their footsteps, We sent ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun
How could Allah give Jesus the gospel (all 4 of them?) when they weren’t written until after his death?
4:157 And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,” – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not
Assuming Allah did give Jesus the gospels, why did he give him a document(s) which says that he was killed and then deny that he was?
IQ al Rassooli says
Hello ECAW
PERFECT!
People have no idea how important it is for me to find out that there are after all people who are willing to listen and learn. Feedback like your energises me and lifts my spirits up realizing there are listeners at the other side of the talk show
Jamie Glazov will allow IQ in late January February enough time to reveal if there ever was a state called Palestine and the mythical story of Muhammad’s Night Journey allegedly to Jerusalem
Thank you for commenting
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Michael Copeland says
Thank you, IQ, for your interview: very useful.
The Koran has the infant Jesus, Isa, forecasting that he will die and be raised. The Koran elsewhere denies that he was killed. So which is it? The Koran contradicts itself.
Another point. The man who was made to look like Isa, and was crucified: where is he buried? All that was needed to demolish totally the disciples’ claim to have seen Jesus after his crucifixion would have been to show everyone the body. Yet this was not done.
Your work is much appreciated, very authoritative, and well informed: thank you.
Champ says
Thank you, IQ, that is an *awesome* interview! …and you’re right, allah is NOT the God of the Bible.
IQ al Rassooli says
Bless you Champ for having so quick to listen to my interview
Just as I said to ECAW, the fact that you read my comment, acted on it and commented makes ALL my efforts, times and financial costs worth EVERY dime!
Knowing that I am helping people wake up to the greatest threat to human civilization in the 21st century: Fundamentalist Muhammadan Islam with or without Weapons of Mass Destruction (as 911 proved) is my best reward!
Again I thank BOTH of you for commenting upon my proving that Allah the god of Muhammad & Muslims is most definitely NOT the same as the God of the Bible hence instantly discrediting Muhammad as a ‘prophet’ and the ALLEGED divine origin of his Quran
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Champ says
You’re welcome, IQ! …yes, I listened to this video interview in its entirety last week when Robert first posted it, so I wanted to thank you again for standing for the truth: that allah is NOT the God of the Bible, and that islam is wholly evil. Bravo, my friend!!
Beagle says
My first experience with Islamic jurisprudence was some time in late 2000 to early 2001. After the USS Cole suicide attack I discovered Bin Laden’s 1998 fatwa. In that fatwa, phrased in the form of a (I later discovered) fard ayn obligation under sharia, it said “…the ruling is to kill the Americans, civilian and military…”
So forgive me for being less than optimistic in Congressman Sherman’s ‘plan’.
We’re so kcfued.
Thirteen years after 9/11 and counting, but still few signs of intelligent life in government. SETI looks like a sure thing by comparison to trying to find intelligent discussion of Islam by political leaders.
Charlie Griffith says
Where we err is in constantly applying Western logic and thought processes against Eastern thought processes, or the Koran here, specifically. It’s apples and oranges and tangerines and grapes all rolling around in the same drum. Their thick skins prohibit merging unless firmly trampled upon by our infidel feet. Then, the result is simply terrible. We don’t need more “studies”, more lawyers at bloated State.
We Americans, at least, any others have their own problems, should trample this noxious mash with our feet, then send the mess down the Drain Pipe, all to be added into the muslim cesspool.
This ain’t no blend of cabernet, chablis, or grape juice. It’s a noxious pool of fermenting pure muslim evil.
Our Congress, should fund our Defense Department, not hire more Foggy Bottom [love that evermore appropriate nickname] lawyers. Simply forget any muslim lawyers. They simply aren’t equipped to translate.
voegelinian says
What specific concrete policy prescriptions would your vague braggadocio result in with regard to the approximately two million Muslims inside the U.S.A.?
Charlie Griffith says
Apply the tactics against Muslims inside our America as they themselves apply towards us from inside their madrassas and mosques. They’ve borrowed this cellular tactic from the Soviet Cold War days.
Then, have one of those nationwide “awareness” campaigns against the C.A.I.R., and the A.C.L.U.’s “lawyer” campaigns of instant cries of “”Racism!” and “Islamophobia!” This “Lawfare” industry is akin to Sharpton & Jackson, Inc.
Send very generous contributions to Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, who seem to be just about the only savvy and openly realistic observers of our Muslim Problem.
Have letters written to the Washington Post and your [our] local Congressmen and -women questioning the Saudi financed ecumenical “Chair” of “understanding” at the Roman Catholic Georgetown University in Washington D.C. [The saudi Prince financing this by a nice grant is the former chief of saudi intelligence.]
You’ll see the trending suggestions here focus on those same odious “activism” tactics being used against us by our resident Muslims. An example pops up about that attempt to build a mosque near the site of the World Trade Center. Apparently that seems to’ve been foiled, for now.
The silent Muslims are either apostates or “sleepers”. They ain’t no “moderates”. There’s no way to be partly pregnant.
Lee says
“forget any muslim lawyers. They simply aren’t equipped to translate.” Well said. Islamic groups all over the world believe in and act out head-chopping, mass-murder, crucifixion, rape, enslavement, selling women as sex-slaves to other rapists, etc, and they *all believe this is holy* – i.e. these are *all COPY-CAT CRIMES following Muhammad’s example* – yet we’re supposed to go to yet more Muslims for the white-washed explanation?
Imagine if groups of Scientologists all over the world were committing the same crimes, and all quoting L.Ron Hubbard as the authority for their actions. Would the elites go to the local Scientology leader for excuses such as “This has NOTHING to do with L.Ron – nothing to see here!” and walk away satisfied?
The failure of the elites to conduct a formal investigation of Islam after 9/11 is eternally damning on their characters.
Dave J says
The people cannot be expected to educate themselves about Islam when their leaders are busy telling them its a valid, sacred Religion of Peace and minimizing every savage attack as “workplace violence” or some extremely rare aberration. Calling ISIS junior varsity and pretending that we can defeat them with airstrike pinpricks. Praising their “contributions”.
We need a Winston Churchill style leader who will recognize the truth and give it to us straight. The West has proven to be capable of rising up and defeating totalitarian regimes in the past but it takes a lot more than just telling us to keep shopping.
It is astounding that we don’t seem to take the threat seriously even after they have crashed jets into skyscrapers and the Pentagon, have openly declared war on us, have constructed thousands of mosques throughout the country and told their believers not to cooperate with us.
I thought the braggarts who beheaded Americans on video might have woken us up, but apparently not. It may take another really massive attack (like a nuclear bomb) to actually get our attention, unfortunately.
Darren says
It’s human nature sadly, it’s not just a Western thing. Many people will deny reality up until the point it either kills them, or they start feeling the heat of the fire.
duh_swami says
So these good Mahoundians are going to try and convince bad Mahoundians that some of Allah’s words and ideas are no good. Uh huh…good luck with that Abu.
Horace Yo says
Even the nuclear bomb wouldn’t work to change the minds of the Muslim apologists. They’d say “Not all Muslims are setting off nuclear bombs.”
Sam says
Agreed 100%.
voegelinian says
They’d say “Not all Muslims are setting off nuclear bombs.”
Even longtime anti-Islam Jihad Watch commenter “Wellington” said essentially the same thing, in his dogged opposition to my recommendation that the West deport its Muslims to the Dar-al-Islam.
And quite a few other Jihad Watchers and Counter-Jihadists in general seem to agree with him, more or less (as though there were really a “more or less”; like being “somewhat pregnant”).
Wellington says
November 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm
Muslims in America, voegelinian, are simply not mass-murdering Americans. Yes, there are numerous Muslim atrocities in America over the past twenty years or so but the chances that an American will be killed by a Muslim still remains infinitesimally small—-a tiny, tiny fraction of a 1% chance. So, you get this wrong. And you will get nowhere by saying something to the effect that such mass murders will occur in the future. They might but legally acting upon this “might” is simply not going to happen.
To which I replied, for the umpteenth time to this particular permutation of the Jihad Watch Softyism:
voegelinian says
November 3, 2014 at 12:25 am
Wellington wrote:
“Muslims in America, voegelinian, are simply not mass-murdering Americans”
This is a straw man. It astounds that such a long-time Jihad Watch reader & veteran would even proffer such a straw man — as though the only danger comes from visibly exploding & beheading Muslims (or lighting a fuse or brandishing a sword). After all these years of reading JW, Wellington cannot connect those thousands of dots that link all Muslims together (“in America” — and anywhere) in their ideology which is a living blueprint for our mass-murder, and the planned destruction of our society (which destruction does not have to succeed to be robustly defended against with proactive intelligence and action). Astounding.
Then Wellington had to reiterate his Maginot Line:
Wellington says
November 3, 2014 at 9:55 pm
Voegelinian: A living blueprint for mass-murder is quite different than actual mass-murder. Don’t forget next time you talk about mass-murder you make this distinction. Sloppy of you (exceedingly so) if you don’t.
To which, by some miracle, I was able to rouse myself from near unconsciousness after having hit my head against the wall too many times to respond:
voegelinian says
November 5, 2014 at 3:37 pm
Wellington wrote:
“Voegelinian: A living blueprint for mass-murder is quite different than actual mass-murder. Don’t forget next time you talk about mass-murder you make this distinction. Sloppy of you (exceedingly so) if you don’t. ”
Wellington only puts two things on the table here —
1) a living blueprint for mass-murder
2) actual mass-murder
— omitting a crucial third thing:
3) a living blueprint for mass-murder
a) that has already been activated several times (um, remember 911…? — and every plot to mass-murder us that we have luckily aborted counts in addition to the plots that have been horribly realized)
b) that thrives in various parts of the world in a context of intent for the worst (e.g., al qaeda’s explicit goal discovered in the 1990s to mass-murder 2 to 3 million Americans) — to try to wreak utmost havoc on us at times and places we may well not be able to predict; an intent that, again, is systemic (broad-based & whose extent is unknown by us) and metastasizing (getting horribly worse).
Factoring in 3a+b — as Wellington strangely, astoundingly continues to fail to do after all these years of plowing through the drearily ghastly mountains of dots and oceans of data Jihad Watch has been reporting over a decade year after year, month after month, week after week, day after day — we can no longer be as complacently abstract about this problem as Wellington seems to be.
Every week that I survey a week’s report on Jihad Watch of the ghastly, ghoulish, horrific, terrifying hill of oozing deadly toxic shit Muslims spew out, I am boggled, aggrieved and increasingly sickened by the Jihad Watch Softies who continue, in November of 2014, to think in 9:18 a.m 9/11/01 terms.
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Wellington’s response to this, then, was telling – the “Leftist Two-Step” (of course he would protest that he’s “not a Leftist” – but that’s precisely the problem with the asymptotic mind, which is the Counter-Jihad retention of PC MC which, in turn, is Leftism Lite palatable enough to be swallowed and regurgitated even by self-identified conservatives). His Leftist Two-Step caused him to respond with the reflex spasm of suddenly resorting to the pragmatic objection of how deportation could be legally sanctioned in America, given the Constitution, and also pulling out the old “where are you going to deport the Muslims to canard (which is so asinine it boggles the mind and takes one’s breath away to see uttered by a long-time Jihad Watch reader), after he had been droning on about the substantive objection (that Muslims in America somehow, magically, are less deadly than Muslims elsewhere in the world). Thus his Leftist Two-Step:
“Your phantom distinction, voegelinian, between 1) “a blueprint for mass murder” and 3) “a blueprint for mass murder” followed by a) and b) aside, I request again, assuming you are completely correct about the necessity of deportation of Muslims en masse from America, how you propose this can be accomplished, taking into account the American judiciary, the Congress, how the “round-up” will occur, the destination that Muslims will be sent to, where they will be received, etc….”
[Bold emphasis of that little “aside” – which rhetorically and casually nudges off the table of consideration the 9/1/01 Twin Tower attacks (not to mention the dozens of other attacks Muslims have plotted against Americans in years after up to the ongoing flaming present) — added by moi.]
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/new-uk-law-would-ban-critics-of-sharia-from-broadcasting-protesting-or-even-posting-messages-on-facebook/comment-page-1#comment-1142464
Elise says
Brad Sherman is a moron. He’s probably never visited a Muslim majority country to see how those in the minority are treated. Send him to the Aceh region of Indonesia before he opens his mouth again. He’s as stupid as the young man who said he deserved to be mugged because he came from a life of privilege. Only idiots apologize for the bad behavior of others.
BlueRaven says
It sounds to me like this clown is a mouth piece for CAIR and MB. FCK him.
R Cole says
The Congressman did not get the memo that read:
It ain’t Christian!!
:;
Inviting in Muslim Islamic scholars – the old saying – What could possibly go wrong – comes to mind. They have an interest in the religion succeeding – that would be opposed to US interests.
At the moment it is almost criminal to say – just how unchristian Islam is – but that is the point that needs to be gotten across.
The answer does not lay in Islam – the idea being to baby these Muslims – while they try to kill and conquer people – quoting the Koran chapter and verse – is already a failed idea.
Personally I love the magic wand idea!!
I’d argue it has a better chance of succeeding.
St. Patrick says
Uh..I do believe they already someone that would fit the bill..By the name of a certain Mr. Robert Spencer..Idiots..
Kepha says
Hi, Pat. I second the motion.
Sam says
CAIR would be an excellent help fighting JIHAD as long as we do not allow Robert to educate our administration. They can show our folks the gentle side, “peaceful” side of Islam that nobody has ever seen anywhere.
Arthur says
Sadly Bradley Understands Islam Badly
dlbrand says
All but hilarious.
What a fool.
pumbar says
I am of the opinion that islam preaches violence against unbelievers, therefore (according to our glorious rulers) I am a “misunderstander of islam”. So that must mean that I am more “susceptible to recruitment via social media”. As a result I had better go and suspend my Google+ account in case I start blowing things up and beheading people.
dlbrand says
“. As a result I had better go and suspend my Google+ account in case I start blowing things up and beheading people.”
Yes, indeed, pumbar.
And thank you so much for being so conscientious. Now, if only the rest of the world could be more like you, we would have the Islamic problem in our midst solved…
Then, again, now that I think on it … perhaps not…
prman says
Another moron politician.
Luciano says
good idea! Here are some suggestions:
Robert Spencer
Mark Stein
Bat Y’eor
Ayan Hirsi Ali
Brigit Gabriel
Rezali Mehil says
Rezali Mehil?
IQ al Rassooli says
Luciano
WHY have you forgotten IQ al Rassooli?
After all on the Glazov Gang IQ proved beyond a shadow or even a reasonable doubt that Allah the god of Muhammad and his cloned followers is most assuredly NOT the same as the God of Jesus Moses & Abraham
Regards
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
ECAW says
Still here IQ? I wanted to express my gratitude for all your scholarly efforts in showing up Islam for what it is. Where would we be without yourself, Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ali Sina, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Sam Solomon, the people at WikiIslam and all the others who provide inside knowledge?
I’d be grateful to know your view on the vexed question of “the real Islam”. There must be one since so many people claim that Jihad, IS etc are not the real Islam. It would be ridiculous to say this without knowing what the real Islam is that they are not.
In my simple minded way it seems quite straightforward, the real Islam must be Islam as it existed on the day Allah said “This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion…”.
Firstly, since that comes from the penultimate sura (or the last one by the Noldecke chronology) the real Islam must include all the warlike stuff that Mohammed was concentrating on at that time.
Secondly, when we look at the various strands of Islam today we need to ask how closely they are following the teachings and example of Mohammed at that time. It seems clear to me that IS are doing that to the letter (beheadings, crucifixions, sex slavery, jizya etc) and therefore qualify as the closest version to the real, original Islam.
What do you think?
IQ al Rassooli says
Hi ECAW
You are most definitely NOT stupid because you have easily understood the least complicated and most deranged CULT belief system called Muhammadan Islam
I am still here reading comments that emanate from minds unhinged from facts and reality such as that of Wellington
Let me put it in extremely simple terms that even a creature with TWO brain cells of LOGIC would comprehend:
1. There is only ONE Muhammadan Islam. The ONE that every believing Muslim must follow. The Quran that Osama, Boko Haram, Hamas, Qaida, ISIS, IS, Shabab and another 1000 mass murdering Islamic entities subscribe to
2. There are no SHADES in Muhammadan Islam. There are NO Moderate Militant Radical or Extremist Muslims just as there were none among NAZIS or Communists
3. Muhammad, his Quran, his Sunna, Sharia and ALL his followers are:
Hatemongering Warmongering Disloyal Intolerant Misogynist Racist Duplicitous Hypocritical Despicable Treacherous Vile and hence totally Ungodly because their god Allah is most assuredly NOT God and most certainly not the same as the God of Jesus Moses & Abraham
4. Allah Gabriel & Satan in the Quran are actually the voices of the ventriloquist Muhammad. Muhammad is Allah Gabriel & Satan
5. Every single follower of Muhammad is a JIHADI. There are TWO types of Jihadi ‘Muslims’; those who commit mass murdering WAR Jihad and those SILENT majority who condone, approve of, harbour, support and finance the murdering ones who practice STEALTH Jihad.
6. Every follower of Muhammad is the ENEMY of every human being who does NOT believe in Allah and his messenger Muhammad. Hence 20% of humanity ‘Muslims’ are now (and have been for 1400 years) the enemies of 80% of current humanity who are NOT Muslims because Muhammad’s Quran incites his followers to HATE all none Muslims
7. There will NEVER be peace on Earth as long as Islam exists
To resolve these issues is also simple based on the FACT that Allah is NOT God and hence Islam is NOT a Religion but a CULT
:
1. Stop all immigration from Muslim countries
2. Do not allow ANY Muslim to become a citizen in any none Muslim country
3. Ban the recitation of Quran from every mosque because Muhammad’s Quran demands that his followers must NOT obey any constitution NOT from Allah (Sharia)
4. No mosques should be allowed to be built or opened
5. Close all so called ‘religious’ Islamic schools called Madrassahs
6. Ban the wearing of Hijab & Niqab (They are NOT in the Quran)
7. Any Muslim who cannot follow these simple and logical rules to protect our way of life can pack up and return to any of 57 Muslim Paradise state
By the way, all of the above are within our current laws
Your thoughts?
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
ECAW says
Thanks for your reply IQ. I find myself agreeing with you on all points except one. I don’t believe in any God but I accept that our judaeo-Christian heritage has been overwhelmingly benign compared to the predatory, winner takes all outlook of Islam. Personally I do not believe that a man walked on water any more than I believe that a man flew to heaven on a donkey but I do see Jesus and Mohammed as polar opposites, most clearly illustrated by the fact that one was crucified and the other ordered crucifixions.
I do believe that there is a real possibility of the West and Islam coexisting harmoniously because Islam always has to dominate. I fear stealth jihad and demographic jihad more than fighting jihad. That’s why I think it better for the (almost) inevitable conflict to start sooner rather than later. The next logical step to that, for me, is that, horrible as it is, I hope to see IS grow and foment a cataclysmic struggle in the Middle East even including civil war in Saudi Arabia which seems very likely considering the support there for IS’s brand of Islam. Either Islam has to destroy itself or has to be destroyed by the West. I don’t mean that all Muslims must be killed. I mean that it must be destroyed as an ideology. I hope that millions of Muslims will realise that Islam isn’t the strong horse after all and decide to join us in the 21st century.
I realise you outlined legal steps to curb Islam in the West and I would support all of them. It’s just that in Britain at least the vast majority haven’t even started looking at the problem in a political way. We have no Geert Wilders or anyone like him. People say “Oh, everyone should be able to practise their own religion” without having a clue that part of Islam is that it has to be everyone else’s religion too.
I really think there will have to be a test of strength in the Middle East, and probably in the West too, before those sorts of laws will be considered.
Since you asked for my thoughts, may I point you to a blog post where I talk about this situation (in a fairly light-hearted way, if you can believe anyone could be light- hearted about it!):
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/20-years-from-now/
ECAW says
Aaaargh! “I do believe that there is no real possibility of the West and Islam coexisting harmoniously”
IQ al Rassooli says
Hi ECAW
I LOVE your 2nd script. I disagree only on ONE item: the span of time allotted to Europe that I calculate to be no MORE than SEVEN years before we in Europe will have CIVIL conflict
Even a year ago, most of the comments that I had been receiving about Islam were (to be charitable) ILL INFORMED
Reading comments presently, I am very encouraged to find many of them are actually quoting chapter & verse from Muhammad’s Quran demonstrating how Evil, Vile & Despicable the CULT of Muhammad and his followers are
Russia is putting rules prohibiting and proscribing the teaching of Islam & the further building of mosques
Angola is doing the same
As soon as MOST people WAKE up to the FACT that Islam is NOT a Religion that deserves respect (because their Allah is most definitely NOT God but actually Muhammad disguising himself as Allah), the sooner humanity will be able to deal with the TERROR of Islam
I am very hopeful that this will happen because Muslims do not know when to STOP
They never Miss a chance to Miss a chance showing how DEPRAVED they are
It has been a PLEASURE talking to you
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
ECAW says
Since you liked my second script I have added another government action:
“A Royal Commission is set up under the chairmanship of ex-Muslim scholar IQ al Rassooli to consider such questions as whether the Medina suras of the Koran should be banned completely and whether religious scriptures should lose their exempt status regarding the crime of incitement to murder. Critics claim that there are also calls to genocidal violence in the Bible but after research is carried out it is found that there are no more Amalekites to be concerned about it either way.
Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are invited to give evidence and are invited to tea at Buckingham Palace where Theresa May offers a fulsome apology for banning them in 2013.”
🙂
clifford hall says
“Fool”, “moron” “idiot”. Oh dear. Why not simply say ‘misguided’?
Every little helps surely? But, yes, one piss doesn’t make an ocean. But it’s better than talking to ‘yourself’ on a computer screen.
Jack Gordon says
“Name? — Sherman.
State? — California.
Political party? Democrat
Ok, Ok, hold it right there; I have all the info I need to stamp his photo. Hand me the stamp, please….that one over there….under “T”…..Oh, come on, TRAIT…..”
Aussie Infidel says
Congressman Sherman stated, “ISIL is making a mockery of a great world religion”, and “[we] need the Islamic scholars on our side”. Is it any wonder the US, and other Western nations, are fighting a losing battle against Islam. It is obvious that Sherman has never opened a Quran, let alone understands anything of consequence about Islam. He goes on to say, “we don’t have the research.” That’s nonsense! We all know that the US has many experts in Islamic ideology. But many of them have been sacked because they told the truth about the ‘religion of peace’ – and that didn’t go down too well with their politically correct bosses.
I agree that the US needs Islamic scholars, and more research, but of the non-Muslim kind – knowledgeable people like Robert & Co – to give all politicians a crash course on Islam, without the bullshit they would get from the mullahs and da’ists. Then at last, they might identify their real enemy, and make more sensible decisions to deal with it. As ECAW and IQ al Rassooli assert, that enemy is orthodox Islam itself – without any shadow of doubt whatever. And we have a very limited window of opportunity in which to act, if we are to avoid civil war (or at least the worst of it).
wakeup exmuslim says
“Scholars’ of evil will only say evil is friendly, means peace and does not believe in violence. But the evil cant change its nature.
IQ al Rassooli says
Thanks ECAW for your support
I SECOND your motion ONLY (even at the cost of sounding bombastic) because I literally can SHRED any Muslim’s debate in LESS than 60 seconds each time because I have been practising this for 30 years and now have truly mastered it
It is a PLEASURE communicating with you
on the 11th December at 6.00am Central Time, I shall be on SKYPE with Bob Williams talk show and at least TEN others from Iraq, Spain, USA, UK and other places discussing Islam
Would be great if you can join us by calling in!
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Johnny Canuck says
There are between 1.2 and 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. This means there are between 1.2 and 1.5 billion active jihadists or jihadists sympathizers in the world.