On the one side there is this. On the other side are graying, ineffectual Christian bishops calling for “dialogue” and “peace.”
“Pastor sees display against children and young people as a ‘signal,'” by Aaron Clamann and Dieter Weber, RP Online (translated), December 26, 2014 (thanks to Renee):
Moenchengladbach. Apparently Muslim children and a teenager have disturbed the Nativity celebrations for children in the Rheydter Marienkirche and insulted parishioners. The pastor has already spoken with two of the five disturbers of the peace. On Saturday, he also wants to get in touch with the parents.
Eyewitnesses reported that on Christmas Eve, a group of apparently Muslim children and young people stormed into the church and allegedly shouted, “shit Christians.” The sexton was able to hold two of the five invaders.
Rheydter pastor Manfred Rieth Village has already taken these two into prayer. “I told them clearly in the sacristy how to behave in a church. Probably tomorrow I will get in touch with the parents to discuss the incident with them and the young people the incident.”…
Jay Boo says
Muslims are weaned from birth with a sense of supremacist entitlement from the Koran.
particolor says
You may as well talk to Santa Claus as talk to their Brain Dead Parents !! ..
Drive full pelt into their Mosque with a Huge Barrel of Shit on a Fork Lift and Dump it in the Middle, during Arse in Air Session !!.. Yelling..” COPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON !!”
Don’t forget to tell them “HAPPY NEW YEAR !!..
In court You can Plead MENTAL ILLNESS !!..
Works for them !!
Roderick MacUalraig says
I like that idea!
particolor says
Halal Certified (Extorted) Shit of course !!
Jay Boo says
Yet, Muslims expect us to show groveling respect to their evil ideology
Ann Barnhardt has a different opinion.
Burn The Quran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htshvId51UE
Islamic Sexuality A Survey Of Evil.
RG says
@ Jay Boo.
Yes! The insanity is inbred – in more ways than one! The pastor might as well talk to the bricks of his church, as to talk with these imbeciles’ parents! Asking for dialogue with a muslim is like shouting “sic ’em” to a blood-thirsty rabid wolf! They see our hospitality and friendliness as WEAKNESS and they turn it into a means of stealth jihad against us every time. They are literal snakes in the grass and our seeking to dialogue with them will one day result in the DOWNFALL OF WESTERN SOCIETY as we know it! This pastor needs to confront the local imams publicly (on TV if possible) and demand an exorbitant amount of remunerative restitution! There are two things muzzies understand very well – exorbitant law suits and AK-47’s!
Charli Main says
Oh, Gosh and Golly. !!!!!!
Germany needs to import a couple more millions of those moderate, tolerant and peaceful Muslims from the Middle East.
They will take the few Muslims that have misunderstood the Koran to one side and explain that the REAL Islam is a religion of peace and they should love their Kaffir neighbours.
That should be the solution to the German problem.
CogitoErgoSum says
So the pastor had a talk with two of the Muslim children on how to behave in a church and wants to talk with the parents also. There’s an old saying, “Charity begins at home.” I think these Muslim children have already been taught by their parents how to behave in a church.
Ernie says
MORE P.E.G.I.D.A. !!!
Tradewinds says
Stop the Islamization of Germany.
Salah says
Many of us think that the Jews are Islam’s worst enemies. I don’t buy it; Islam’s worst enemy is Christ. Muslims hate Christian more than they hate Jews. It’s just, at least for now, Christians are still too strong to defeat.
TH says
Germans like the British are generally polite people and used to dealing with others in this fashion. Normal children woud never do anything like that, and they would probably have sung carols before the Nativity scene. They have no idea of how to deal with muslims. This is another aspect of muslim presence in Europe. It will degrade the way people deal with one another and provoke mistrust. Of course,normally when the muslims move into a neighborhood the locals sell as fast as they can and property prices plummet. Then you have a muslim ghetto and sharia there.
gp says
There is a special place in Hell for these Muslim bastards. Vile wicked murderous animals following their Satanic verses. They could be no further from God. Their God is Satan the deceiver-The Father of Lies.
gp says
Beware of Mosques!
Specifically, how is a mosque a threat to the community within which it is built?
Every single mosque in the world, by definition, is modeled on the mosque of Muhammad in Medina in accordance with the Sunnah. The Sunnah interprets the Qur’an by reporting exhaustively on everything that Muhammad said, did, or consented to. Therefore, his Medina mosque, the first mosque, was a place where he gave judgments, where he decided who would be executed, where he instituted policy—domestic and military— where Jihad war strategies were designed. Consequently, it was a storage place for arms, a military training base, and was where troops were blessed and dispatched. Literally they were sent to conquer – first the whole of Arabia, and then the rest of the known world. Therefore if the present-day mosque is modeled as per the Sunnah of Muhammad then there should be very serious concern. As is well-known, Muslims are required to follow the example (Sunnah) of Muhammad—and according to Sura 33:36 it is not an option or a matter of opinion: “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.” This explains and establishes beyond doubt why arms have been found in mosques in various countries, and in different capital cities.
In addition to the undisputed significance of the Medina mosque as the role model for all Mosques, there is also the Islamic policy of establishing strategic Mosques as beachheads with interconnected networks. Taken together, these two policies do constitute a clear and present danger—and a need for concern.
Tradewinds says
Mosks, a/k/a Jihad Centers, should all be abolished.
particolor says
Break in and Piss in their Gunpowder !!
Angemon says
I’m sure the parents will be shocked and appalled with their offspring’s behaviour. “No, no, they did nothing wrong, they’re such good children, devout muslims, they follow the quran, the sunnah and the ahadith as closely as they can”.
eduardo odraude says
Deportation seems to be a red line that Robert Spencer will not cross. He has unequivocally rejected it, as far as I know. For myself, I admit to a good deal of ignorance about deportation and its ramifications. Why is it something that Spencer and many others consider going too far?
Of course, that is a moot discussion at this point anyway, because deportation is politically so far from acceptable reality. But Muslims might be just the guys to make what was politically impossible into something possible. If jihadists do a large enough attack, for example, things could change quickly.
It’s time to get better informed about the issue, perhaps.
particolor says
How RABID Do You think they should get ??..
Personally I’ve seen enough already !!
eduardo odraude says
Why do the Qur’an’s “best of people” behave so badly? Oh yes, because they think themselves the best of people, and think others are “the worst of creatures” as the Qur’an puts it, that is, lower than dogs or insects.
Kepha says
Hmmm. Herr Prediger was able to bring two into his office for prayer, and plans to meet with their parents over behavior? This seems more youthful hijinks than an actual demonstration or atttack (although it speaks poorly of the sort of religious education these kids receive). I pray that this will open a door to actual witness (not liberal “dialogue”) to local Muslims. Evangelicals managed to have an impact on some immigrants in Europe who replanted churches in Kabylia and Anatolia. May more such witness take place and bear fruit.
St. Croix says
The children may have heard their adults ranting about what they’d like to do on Christmas eve to Christians and decided to do something along those lines, on their own level. Not so far-fetched as I recall what it was like as a child to hear adults complaining about something and then I went and acted on it by blurting out the truth in a naiive way…wondering why the parents didn’t just say it to the people themselves instead of talking behind their backs and complaining about their actions. Of course I was in trouble for being uncouth.
We can be sure this lack of respect by the children for Christians and churches is indicating things they are hearing all the time from the adults–what the adults want to do but are not yet necessarily able or organized enough to do. Just give them time.
These little incidents are indicative of something very disturbing brewing. As if there weren’t lots of other incidents to tip us off! But when children do something so bold in a country that is a foreign culture to them it bespeaks something far bigger. An evil omen.
Still, prayer has been known to work wonders–on individual levels in particular. All Christians could start actively challenging muslims on their beliefs and ways, not merely “dialoguing” to “get along better” as this is just a waste of time. All said and done, if nothing really changes, on a major scale, things are going to get a lot uglier in the near future.
gravenimage says
Kepha, I don’t believe that these Muslims regarding Christians as *shit* is “youthful hijinks”—this is *exactly* how Islam teaches Muslims to regard Christians and other Infidels.
Islam also teaches that non-Muslims not be allowed to worship openly, so these Muslims viciously interrupting a service is mainstream Islam.
Champ says
Muslims storm church on Christmas Eve, shout “shit Christians”
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What a mean-spirited sentiment courtesy islam & company …no surprises here, eh?
Well, for those that love and enjoy Christmas music, this will truly lift your spirits …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zh-yR0pbmU
Our precious Savior is king of Kings, and lord of Lords!! Praise God!
Andrewp says
Well said Champ!! He is indeed the King of Kings and will remain so for ever!
Champ says
oops …I meant King of kings and LORD of lords!
Indeed, Andrewp! 🙂
dumbledoresarmy says
There’s another possible angle to this.
Think of it as the human shield/ plausible deniability angle.
Orthodox Muslims classify a boy as a man as soon as he has pubic hair, and a girl as a marriageable woman once she reaches age nine (and remember, they count in lunar years).
But they know full well that we in the west calculate the age of a child differently; that according to our laws (varying of course slightly from place to place) actions by a person aged, say, 10-15 or 16-17, will be treated somewhat differently and maybe somewhat more leniently than similar actions by an adult.
There have been cases where, in European countries, when the whole of a Muslim family has decided to carry out an “honor” murder, it’s a younger lad – say, a teenager age 16-17 – who is told off to do the actual murder, because they know that he’ll be looked at differently under western law than if it were the girl’s 45 year old father or uncle.
So…if the aim and object is to disrupt a church service and talk sh*t at the Christians, the Muslims calculate that if it were a bunch of adult males (say, age 25-45) who did it, or even if it were a bunch of adult women, it would get a rather different sort of reaction – and law enforcement response – than if it were “children and young people”. And therefore…the teenagers get the job of attacking the church and disrupting the Christmas Eve service, and ‘get away’ with it, because – from the infidel POV – they are ‘just kids’. And from the Muslim POV, mission accomplished: the church service is disrupted, the Christians are made to feel intimidated and offbalance.
*I* think that there is a very real possibility that those kids/ teenagers/ youths were **put up to it** by their parents or by other adults in the Muslim ‘community’. And that possibility needs to be investigated.
particolor says
What do You mean You “THINK” they were put up to it ??… You can almost put Your next Pay Packet on it !!…
Sorry for Gambling there Mo !!
Ariel says
It is high time that Europe united to throw the followers of the radical religion out of Europe. These incidents must serve as a warning to the European governments to tighten immigration laws and ban Muslims from entering Europe. And that includes Bosnians and Turks.
particolor says
“ALLAAH AKBAR” Men are getting Younger !!
Andrewp says
allah,allah,allah, what’s all this then?
Mirren10 says
And what would have happened if a gang of German kids had burst into a mosque, shouting, ” shit muslims” ?
It would have been all over the German press, and probably the international press, as an egregious example of ‘islamophobic bigotry’, and all the pc/mc leftards, useful idiots, would be wringing their hands and blathering about being more welcoming, and such like crap. Blech.
Mirren10 says
In my opinion, time for a bit of “muscular Christianity”.
The pastor and the congregation should have washed out their nasty little mouths with soap, and then tanned their backsides.
Champ says
Riiight! …sometimes love must be tough. And we’ve been attending our current church for about 14 years now, and not once has anyone come into our church and shouted anything like this. But my husband is an elder of our church, and he helps serve communion, etc; and hes been instructed to escort anyone out of the church that *might* cause a scene. Having ‘order’ is very important in our church, and I think most churches, as well.
Mirren10 says
”But my husband is an elder of our church, and he helps serve communion, etc; and hes been instructed to escort anyone out of the church that *might* cause a scene.”
That’s interesting, Champ, instructed by whom ? I’m very glad your church hasn’t been exposed to these kinds of disgusting and shameful scenes, but I’m beginning to think that *all* Christian churches need to start getting some sort of plan in place to deal with mohammedan scum who might attempt to cause disturbances etc, because I really don’t think this sort of attack is going to limit itself to small isolated instances in Europe.
And I don’t think the mohammedans will confine themselves for long to merely bursting in and shouting obscenities.
You and your husband stay safe, my over the pond mate.
Champ says
That’s interesting, Champ, instructed by whom ?
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Oh, my husband has received instruction from the other elders; and he also attends elder meetings once a month to discuss a variety of different things.
Thank you, and please stay safe, too 🙂
Kepha says
Father in Heaven, when your German servant speaks to the parents of those who disrupted your worship, may your Spirit accompany the word so that these people will see the Son who gave Himself for our sins, and rose from the dead on the Third Day for our justification–and thus cease to be strangers and aliens, but be joined to your community of saints. May the eyes of our Muslim neighbors be opened to the better way that you have proclaimed through the prophets, apostles, and the Messiah himself, in whose name we pray. Amen.
GKP says
It is the basic teaching of Qur’an to fight kufrr.
TH says
Merkel in her New Year message has denounced xenophobia and riterated the open door policty to immigration )muslim of course)
gravenimage says
Germany: Muslims storm church on Christmas Eve, shout “shit Christians”
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How long will they be content to just yell abuse at Christians in the West? In Dar-al-Islam, Muslims regularly violently attack Christians, especially at Christmas.
More:
Rheydter pastor Manfred Rieth Village has already taken these two into prayer. “I told them clearly in the sacristy how to behave in a church. Probably tomorrow I will get in touch with the parents to discuss the incident with them and the young people the incident.”…
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Good for this pastor. But where does he think these young Muslims *learned* to regard Christians as sh*t? From their parents, and from their Mosque.
Let’s hope Germany isn’t so far gone that they don’t go after this pastor for detaining the dear little thugs and lecturing them…