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Indonesia: Muslim group warns President not to say “Merry Christmas”

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FPI-dibubarkanIf he does, they say he will become an apostate from Islam, since Islam forbids Muslims to give good wishes to Christians on the occasion of their feasts. And if he is an apostate from Islam, then according to Muhammad’s command and Islamic law, he can lawfully be killed.

“FPI Calls on President Not to Wish Merry Christmas,” Tempo.co, December 19, 2014 (thanks to Phillip):

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta – Micbachul Anama, the chairman of the Islamic Defenders Front’s (FPI) consultative council, has asked President Joko Widodo not to wish the country’s Christians a merry Christmas. Micbachul said the president would be deemed an apostate should he opt to do so.

“It is haram (forbidden for Muslims) to wish a merry Christmas, including for President Jokowi,” he told Tempo on Thursday, December 18, 2014.

Micbach claimed wishing a merry Christmas to Christians would make a Muslim an apostate for acknowledging the existence of another religion. He explained, according to the Great Dictionary of Indonesian Language (KBBI), Christmas is defined as the birth of Jesus Christ.

“So when there’s a Muslim who says a marry Christmas, it means he congratulates (Christians) on the birth of Jesus,” he said.

In that context, he went on, wishing a merry Christmas to Christians had a serious impact on the faith of Muslims. “Whereas it is stated clearly in Islam that God is lam yalid wa lam yulad. God was not born and does not give birth to,” he said.

The country’s largest Islamic organization, Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), meanwhile, said in contrast that wishing Christians a merry Christmas was an act of tolerance and would not affect one’s principles and religious identities….

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  1. All true, but the President is not committing apostasy if he has his fingers crossed behind his back while saying “Merry Christmas” (Sahih Bukhari 88, translation, J. Biden).

    • Surprising that they didn’t threaten to kill Obama during his Islamic kiss ass tour of the region for having said the words Merry Christmas in the past.
      But then again as long as he is doing Islam’s bidding, a Muslim posing as a Christian will get a free temporary pass. The same goes for the Jewish congressman who married Hillary’s Muslim cucumber concubine.

    • Crossing fingers is making the sign of the cross to ward off evil. so that would be even worse if he did it.

  2. Bear in mind Islam is Satanic; Muslims bow down to the Devil himself, and pray to a pagan phallic stone. so the very idea of wishing someone Merry Christmas fills them with the demonic lust to commit murder. Muslims are all headed to the same place; the fires of Hell. Why else would their hearts be filled with such rage and a desire to destroy? God is nowhere to be found in the heart of the Muslim. Satan is their master. Only when they renounce their demonic cult and accept Jesus into their hearts, can they be saved.

    • “Why else would their hearts be filled with such rage and a desire to destroy?”
      —————————-

      Whatever the source at the root of Islam’s disgraceful evil is:
      Muslim men will begin their day by thinking that the pimping of 9 year old girls for Islamic sex followed by sanctimonious displays will bring them satisfaction.
      Their vain lustful indulgence soon turns into the miserable hangover of Islam’s dishonorable emptiness.

    • Is Merry Christmas worst than chopping heads, raping girls and steal? Do we recognizing these deeds of God? To many, these are Satanic deeds! Please speak out on such thing instead of a small holiday greeting??!!?? Those who have brains, let him think!

    • You are all bloody nutters……Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc etc………kowtowing to an imaginary friend is the stuff of nonsense…..as to is the belief in the anti-Christ or whomever you care to represent that imaginary bad guy called satan.

      • We may be nutters for believing in Jesus, according to you.
        According to us, you’re an idiot for not realizing the threat that only Islam holds. Muslims love idiots like you since you make their job much easier.

    • Nicu posted:

      “even in Quaran Jesus is accepted and mentioned as a prophet”

      Not Jesus, Isa. Christians consider Jesus as the son of God, who died in the cross and came back to life. Muslims consider Isa to be a human prophet of allah, who did not die in the cross and as such wasn’t resuscitated.

    • The alleged Jesus is the Quran is very different from the one in the Bible.

      The Quran arguably contains the most plagiarized and distorted material in the world! The Quran contains distorted teachings and characters from the Old and New Testaments. Distorted Talmudic (Jewish oral traditions) teachings are also contained. Then, there are Arabian occult (Jinn) and Sabaen teachings and rituals. There is even use of Zoraostranism mythical characters in the Quran – al-buraq (flying horse/mule)

      Four of the Five Pillars of Islam come directly from Sabaen teachings. All the rituals during the haj can be traced to either Sabaen or Jinn rituals which predate Islam.

      Mohammad realized that believe in a monotheistic god could help to unite the Arabs and strengthen their military, to defend themselves and also to conquer others. So, he set about incorporating various beliefs that were popular then, and combined them into the Quran.

    • But you must remember, these are purists and orthodox believers. Therefor the fact that there are people worshiping Jesus is an affront to Allah and well, you know the rest. To these people their almighty perfect god is so weak and fragile even mentioning other faiths could damage his reputation.

    • As a true, not nominal, Christian I can say that I love Moslems. They are created in God’s image as is all humanity.

      However, I must say that as a true Christian I loathe Islam. It is a supremacist ideology which has world domination as its ultimate goal.

      Mohammed has spread Islam for over 1400 years by violence, yet true Christianity was spread throughout the world by the fruits of God’s Holy Spirit. (Galatians 5: 22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control)

      My Jesus Christ says “I died for you” whereas Allah says “you die for me” (Quran 4:74).

      My Jesus is not the same as the Isa of Islam because my Jesus, as God, is the creator of all things.

      My God is not the same as the Allah of Islam because, incarnate as Jesus, my God willingly sacrificed his earthly life through crucifixion to save me for all eternity by his supernatural grace.

      Where will you spend eternity. With Allah or with Jesus?

  4. When a Muslim wakes up to yet another miserable bleak day staring into the vast emptiness that is Islam they ponder:
    “If only I had someone else to blame for Islam’s disgrace and shame”

  6. “Happy Holidays” is probably out, too, since “holiday” derives from “holy day.”

    So I guess we are down to “Seasons Greetings” if we are to fully surrender to the supreme religion-of-peace.

    Mohammed-mas (aka Mawlid) was December 12th this year, of course it changes every year because they are on the lunar calendar, not the sun’s yearly calendar. (Smallest unit of time = lunatic) It should probably be a somber day of fasting and repentance for non-Muslims.

  7. “Muslim group warns President not to say “Merry Christmas” ”

    Aren’t we doing the same? aren’t we gradually replacing “Merry Christmas” with “Happy Holiday”? And by doing so, aren’t we creating a cultural void?
    We aren’t helping ourselves in this fight against jihad. In fact, we are waging some kind of stealth jihad against ourselves. It’s called Cultural Suicide.

  8. The Islamic Defenders Front is a particularly nasty group of thugs and bullies. They first came to my attention in the Jakarta post saying “we could not control our anger” at some perceived slight and they rioted and burned something down. The paper gave their names.

    • With blood on his hands and a tainted heart,
      Muhammad claimed to be a prophet.
      Muslims must now pray five times a day in a grand display.

      They still do this merely to hide the fact of all that Muhammad was not.

  10. Happy holidays is a term that is polluting other English speaking nations as well. We even have people saying it here in New Zealand.

  11. Looks like President Joko’s been listening to this guy. Wishing Merry Xmas is worse than fornication and murder ???

    • MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE!!! In my opinion I’m proud of who I am, And I’ll be darned if any one from any country try’s and tells me how to Give thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ. if you don’t like it then stay in whatever country you’re Religion has , And do not dictate to the rest of the world only because you Worship Satan.

    • God is great, can I get an Amen… Jesus is Beautiful. you Muslim sinners need to bow down and ask the good lord to forgive your existence and beg for mercy. you heathens need to bend over and beg to the good lord to forgive you’re heathen ways. Repent you lower then heathen dictators. The good lord will touch you and forgive your sins for these millennia of hate and brutal bloody killings that you have done. become one with the good lord Jesus Christ. Denounce your heathen ways and show our good lord you have changed.

  13. My local town centre here in London, UK, has gradually dwindled year after year and is now down to a few blue lights wound round a lamp-post, That is the extent of the Xmas decorations this year!

  14. So the largest group is the most sane? That’s a good thing to see, but I’d bet good money he’ll cave and not want to set these crazies off.

  15. Crazy religion!! I thought religion is suppose to teach goodness to people… And show respect to other religion (in this case Christian is a good thing)…. But apparently, Islam teach quite the opposite, they threaten to kill anybody who ONLY say Merry Christmas to Christians??? Wow!!

  16. Merry Christmas! †

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Another phrase mohammedans hate is “freedom of speech” ..**FREEDOM** is like nails on a chalkboard to an SOA.

    islam: the death cult of hatred and slavery

  17. “So when there’s a Muslim who says a marry Christmas, it means he congratulates (Christians) on the birth of Jesus… Whereas it is stated clearly in Islam that God is lam yalid wa lam yulad. God was not born and does not give birth to” – Micbachul Anama (Chairman, Islamic Defenders Front).

    I’m confused.
    I thought Muslims don’t believe Jesus is God or the ‘son of God.’
    Yet he seems to be implying that Jesus is God, when he asserted that “God was not born…”

    • But You forgot everything Contradict everything else in the Cooran, and Your to go to an earlier or later Amendment to justify just about anything You may or may not have done or said !! Now is that Clear ?

    • Forgive me if I’m recycling here, but I thought this clip from a rabid Muslim preacher’s comments on Xmas was relevant, if only for a good laugh. Sadly the situation IS far more serious –

  19. As long as such statements are deemed free speech, these groups will continue to spread and to attract more members. Governments should crack down hard on those that make threats such as this. Hit them hard and hit them at every opportunity. Arrest those that incite and lock them up for a minimum of 7 years. Each time they blurt out a threat, it’s 7 years.

  21. Whatever bad sayings, accuses and Satanic “events” such as rapes, murder and volcanic attempts seen are only small angle views of not even close to Islamic ways.

    They don’t comprehend Islam or show it the right way. Sadly, not a true Islam way shown or mentioned above!!!

  23. Jakarta, GIVNews.com – Can Muslims wish someone ‘Merry Christmas’? This is a question that always comes up in Indonesia around Christmas times and gathers mixed opinions.

    Ask President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo this question. He will definitely say: “Yes. They can.”

    The President is fully aware that many Muslims individuals and organizations in Indonesia, including the powerful Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI), still disagree that it is acceptable for Muslims saying Christmas greetings or attending Christmas gatherings.

    Jokowi is swimming against the mainstream. Last year, as governor of Jakarta, he went around the city to make sure that security was adequately provided for churches where Christians gathered to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

    Jokowi dropped in at several Catholic and Protestant churches. He entered churches, including the renowned Catholic Church cathedral and the Immanuel church and then, standing in front of the congregations and said, “Selamat natal bagi jemaat semua”, or “Merry Christmas to all of you”. The churchgoers responded with loud shouts of joy.

    Also on the Christmas eve, Jokowi called then vice-governor Basuki ‘Ahok’ Tjahaja Purnama to wish him ‘Merry Christmas’.

    Jokowi is scheduled to attend the government-sponsored national Christmas gathering in Jayapura, the capital of Papua, the country’s easternmost province, later this month (27 Dec.). He will deliver a Christmas speech during his visit.

    Over the past 30 years, the national Christmas celebration has been an annual event that was held in Jakarta at the prestigious Jakarta Convention Center. Well-prepared Christmas songs, orchestras and dramas, which also featured renowned Muslim artists, were performed and were enthusiastically enjoyed by Muslim guests.

    So far, no complaint has been aired openly about the national Christmas celebration and other Christmas gatherings at government offices and private organizations across the country.

    http://www.globalindonesianvoices.com/18052/wishing-merry-christmas-and-celebrating-religious-tolerance-in-indonesia/

    • Semeru posted:

      “Ask President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo this question. He will definitely say: “Yes. They can.””

      Is president Joko an islamic scholar or is more or less the same as Obama when it comes to knowledge of islam (meaning that both went into islamic schools in Indonesia)?

  24. agrononse saidIs president Joko an islamic scholar or is more or less the same as Obama when it comes to knowledge of islam (meaning that both went into islamic schools in Indonesia)?

    Neither went to islamic schools

    • Semeru posted:

      “Neither went to islamic schools”

      While it would be fun to see you trying to prove that both went to non-muslim schools, that would straying from the point. According to you, none of them studied islam from an islamic school. Why should we take what any of them says over, for example, what the Islamic Defenders Front says?

      • Allahbama and Jokowi both went for religious classes to study Islam. This is not doubted since their fathers are Muslims and they both studied early education in a Muslim dominant country.

        Looking at their ways and speeches, today, it is also not doubted that Allahbama has a more Islamist leaning between the two. Allahbama brought Brennan to the top seat of CIA – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VQbAhqHoAo

        • Alicia saidAllahbama and Jokowi both went for religious classes to study Islam

          There is a big differrenc between attending Religious classes and attendiing an islamc school

          Most of Obama,s schooling in Indonesia was at catholic school

    • Why are you now twisting your words? Now you agree that Allahbama went to religious indoctrination at religious classes and yet you mouth off to state differently. Does the truth mislead in some way? Islam is Islam, there are no moderates nor radicals nor fundamentalist. Islam, like other faiths teach their beliefs and practices.

      Do those that teach Islam do so based on a strata of light, moderate, extreme and jihad?

      Do Christian or Buddhist or Hindu religious teachings teach their faith based on light, moderate, extreme and the equivalent of jihad?

      Islamic schools, especially the ones set up for the young are where indoctrination into Islamic principles occur. Islam teaches only one Islam as is the case with other religions. That Islam is jihadist in nature and is against humanity has nothing with how or who teaches it. As long as the Quran is taught, we should expect only one outcome.

      • agrononse saidWhy are you now twisting your words? Now you agree that Allahbama went to religious indoctrination at religious classes and yet you mouth off to state differently.

        No I am not twisting words, The poster Agrononse suggested that Joko and Obama went to islamic school. They did not attend islamic schools. they attende secular schools

        I

  25. Agrononse

    It must really get your goat that quite a lot of Indonesian moslems do wish non muslim merry christmas, as for the New year (Tahun Baru) Most indonesians great each With good new year (selemat Tahun Baru. Tn fact just as many go out onto the streets to celebrate the new year, as they do the islamic Holidays

    • Too many Muslims kill, rape, pillage in all parts of the world for it to be a coincidence. Muslims who are such because of Islam, must bear witness to the atrocities of Muhammed. To deny Muhammed’s crimes of beheading, torture, rape, in-breeding, pillage, thievery and tyranny is to deny the writings of Quran that are stated in Quran and Sunnah.

    • The village idiot posted:

      “Agrononse

      It must really get your goat that quite a lot of Indonesian moslems do wish non muslim merry christmas”

      This is the standard moronic attempt at deflection from the usual moronic islamic apologist.For those new here, Semeru/semeru/semeu is an islamic apologist who does his best to whitewash islam.

      The issue here is not whether I’m concerned about individual muslims wishing merry Christmas to non-muslims, it’s that muslim scholars tell muslims not to do it because doing so amounts to apostasy. Islam is as islam says, not as muslims do, so whether this or that muslim wish merry Christmas to nonmuslims, the tenets and rules of islam stay the same.

      Was that clear enough to get through the islamic cloud that hangs over your minuscule brain, you dolt?

  26. agrononse saidThe issue here is not whether I’m concerned about individual muslims wishing merry Christmas to non-muslims, it’s that muslim scholars tell muslims not to do it because doing so amounts to apostasy. Islam is as islam says, not as muslims do, so whether this or that muslim wish merry Christmas to nonmuslims, the tenets and rules of islam stay the same.

    Slamet Effendi, chairman of The Nahdlatul Ulama (Revival/Awakening of Religious Scholars) the country’s largest Muslim mass organization, said Muslims sending Christmas greetings shows religious tolerance, which is a very important value for Indonesia.

    “It has nothing to do with a Muslim’s confession of faith,” Slamet told Tempo magazine.

    Slamet said that Islamic teachings disallow Muslims to attend Christian liturgical gatherings. He did not say, however, if the national Christmas celebration held so far is a prayer meeting.

    Meanwhile, noted Exeget Professor Muhammad Quraish Shihab holds a more tolerant stance.

    Shihab said: “As a Muslim, going to your friend’s home to wish him “Merry Christmas” is part of a greeting and (maintaining) a good relationship. Similarly, it is impossible for us, Muslims, to tell our Christian friends not to come to our homes on Idul Fitri Holiday”.

    Shihab, who is the former Minister of Religious Affairs under the leadership of president Abdurrahman Wahid, further said, as transcribed from a TV program by Tribunews.com, “as a Muslim, there is nothing wrong with you when you say Christmas greetings while in your heart you say that Prophet Isa is not the son of God.”

    Shihab attended university education in Cairo where he witnessed Al Azhar ulemas going to the homes of Christian leaders to wish them “Merry Christmas”. Even, a great ulema in Suriah issued a fatwa that allows such visits, he added.

    Meanwhile, Minister of Religious Affairs Lukman Hakim said last week that Muslims can even wear Santa Claus hats when attending Christmas gatherings at their workplaces. However, they should not be obliged if they are not comfortable with wearing them.

    • The village idiot (who, once again copy/pasted WITHOUT giving his source in order to seem knowledgeable) posted:

      “Slamet said that Islamic teachings disallow Muslims to attend Christian liturgical gatherings.

      (…)

      Meanwhile, noted Exeget Professor Muhammad Quraish Shihab holds a more tolerant stance.

      (…)

      as a Muslim, there is nothing wrong with you when you say Christmas greetings while in your heart you say that Prophet Isa is not the son of God.””

      Semeru, you dumbass, you didn’t even read what you were posting, did you? You’re telling us that a “tolerant stance” allows saying “Merry Christmas” only as taqqyia – saying one thing while inwardly thinking the opposite. Also, a quick question: is Quraish Shihab a shia or a sunni?

  27. People can see why Australians remain sceptical about our friendship with Indonesia. We do not know whether democracy will prevail into the future as there are large pockets of Islamist ambition within the country. Today’s news for instance, tells us about an entire Indonesian family being stopped at Jakarta airport bound for Syria to join jihad –

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/12/27/police-stop-syria-bound-group-airport-allegedly-is-sympathizers.html

    • FatherJon saidToday’s news for instance, tells us about an entire Indonesian family being stopped at Jakarta airport bound for Syria to join jihad

      I would think you should be more worried if Indonesia was not stopping them

      • You miss my point entirely. Such a family, and others, have been nurtured within a radical interpretation of Islam. They have become prominent only because they were stopped at the airport. How many more are there who want to do jihad in the Middle East….or at home in Indonesia?

        • And you miss my point

          Capturing these Islamist show that a was killed in a police raid is taking a hard line towards the Islamists. Also many of the Islamist have been killed,

          Malaysian Dr Azahari Husin, along with two other militants were killed in a raid of a house in Malang, East Java.

          Noordin Top, All members of his cell were either killed or captured, including the recruiter and field coordinator of the attack, Ibrohim, killed on August 12, 2009,[16] and the one said to be his successor, Syaifudin Zuhri, killed on October 9, 2009

          Dulmatin, a senior figure in the militant group Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) and one of the most wanted terrorists in Southeast Asia was killed in a police raid in Pamulang, Jakarta by Detachment 88

        • So, I gather from your post that you think it would be better not to kill these people or sentence them to death on capture? Maybe we should just turn a blind eye while they attack Bali again or blow up more hotels in Jakarta.

        • The village idiot posted:

          “And you miss my point

          Capturing these Islamist show that a was killed in a police raid is taking a hard line towards the Islamists.”

          Good grief, how hard is it to copy/paste something? “Capturing these Islamist show that a was killed”? Really? Maybe you should tag the other guy in.

          “August 12, 2009,[16]”

          You’re not even trying anymore. Does Horsey know you’re after his “Wikipedia Expert” title?

          No, your point is not that “a police raid is taking a hard line towards the Islamists”. Your point is to make us believe that Indonesia is against “islamists”. The thing is, Aceh was allowed to fully enforce sharia law. Now, what do “islamists” want? Well, enforce sharia law. It seems the indonesian government is willing to allow sharia but terrorist attacks is where it draws the line – the issue seems to be with the methods used, not with the goals.

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